I’m surprised I haven’t heard anyone mentioned that scene from Antman where Hank Pym states he can’t take any more Pym particles or else his brain will be effected. I think that’s the reason Hank ends up so messed up at the end
Yeah, you're on the money. That's been a long running thing in the comics and the Yellow Jacket persoma is usually worn by Hank Pym when his mind is damaged by particles.
Yep, I guess he took the death of his daughter pretty hard. He must've gone insane designing the suit and his state of mind got worse the more he used it.
Exactly, he's been exposed to the Pym particles too long due to being Antman for decades and its messed up his brain chemistry. And unlike the sacred timeline, Scott never takes over for him.
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Everyone is giving Jackson praise but can we please also give Michael Douglass props in his voice acting I thought it was fantastic especially from an older Douglass
Hank Pym never feels center stage in the MCU, but Douglas always brings that perfect rage boiling just under the surface. It's interesting to see him get to portray the Hank that would totally happen if he lost the last of his family.
I remember iron man 2, the incredible hulk, Thor and the ending of Captain America all being dubbed as Fury's busy/big week. Clark Gregg is in iron man 2 telling Tony he's going to where Thor's hammer is.
This was the best episode so far, with the most original writing and the best references to the comics. I'm so happy they gave us Hank Pym Yellowjacket.
totally agree. i honestly wasn't that big on the first 2 episodes. i thought they were fine i guess(the 2nd being a bit better then the first) but this episode i really enjoyed. certainly was a bummer to see the avengers die but on the other hand, i'm excited now to see where this series is going(because it's obviously all going to be a shared arc).
Ive never heard Michael Douglas sound so hammy and over the top villainous so i agree with james that I was stuck in a limbo of "is this Michael Douglas or literally the best impressionist ive heard in a while?"
I remember he was among the cast list of actors (with Mark Ruffalo, Karen Gillan, and Chadwick Boseman) back in 2019, but I still was like “Is that Michael Douglas?”
the end of this episode made it feel more like a "What if Hank Pym was even MORE comic accurate?" rather than a "What if somebody killed all the avengers?"
I really like that this episode still stuck to the “What of one thing changed” formula. This time they just left us to figure it out. Alternate title for the episode: “What if Hope van Dyne became a SHIELD agent”.
I just wish they showed it as a flash back or something. Because even at the end of the episode I was kind of still left wondering if that was the initial change that set everything off or if there was still new information to learn.
@Maximum I mean, yeah that’s the big change any smaller ones don’t matter to the story being told As for a flashback, it would have been clunky and just showed us stuff that we already knew
@@jonasquinn7977 Mysteries are supposed to have hints to who the culprit is so you can figure it out, we had none of that in this which was stupid to me
Yep, I also thought that, also. I personally pegged Crossbones and the other Hydra S.H.I.E.L.D. guys to be the culprits. The giveaway that it was not Hydra, though, was how easily the Hulk was killed. No way it could be any normal bad guy, because if they knew how to kill the Hulk, it'd sure be hard to explain why they never bothered to take him out in the normal continuity.
There is a line about Hope dying in Odessa and Black Widow mentioned about Winter Soldier attack in Odessa (In Winter Soldier) so maybe, Pierce had her killed, and then manipulated Hank to destroy the Avenger Initiative which could impact Hydra's plans.
@@kuwabarawastaken4235 The whole thing is disappointingly kid oriented. The humor they tried with Coulson/the stuff about Thor was just embarrassing. It has some interesting concepts but it's hard to watch what feels like a show for children.
Well, the Newvengers wouldn't have Wanda, since Hydra used Loki's staff (mind stone) to experiment on her after stealing it from SHIELD post Loki's defeat in New York.
Agreed, if there all connected. I think we should all accept What If’s? Are just gonna be What if? Since we’ve already punched holes in the timelines. I said the same thing for Caps Shield in the ice, can’t happen if Cap Carter, is Cap and Rogers ended up as the Hydra Stomper.
@@bradlewis9050 Oh no, I agree that they aren't connected, but still, in this episode's timeline the Maximoff twins couldn't be experimented on since there's no Battle of New York that leads to SHIELD (Hydra) possessing the Mind Stone. I think every episode is a new and unconnected timeline, and in the end The Watcher's gonna reunite them somehow.
My brother works at one of the public libraries in Manassas, VA. He was disappointed that What If used generic library footage, rather than one of the four specific, identifiable libraries in Manassas.
yeah, i was excited to see manassas then i realized it was a library that looked nothing like any of the ones there. what's the point of including a specific place if you don't make it look like that place? it's animation, so it's not like you even need to be on location at all
@@zane990 it's because they used exactly the same location they used in the Ed Norton Hulk movie so they must have used a fake location in the movie. And nobody cares but you and that dudes brother lol
It was reeeeeaaaaaally weird seeing the Incredible Hulk with Mark Ruffalo 😵 makes you wonder of we're going to see Don Cheadle in some Iron Man 1 scenes
Well, there is the episode based on 2008’s Iron Man where Killmonger saves Tony from that missile and Don Cheadle is reprising his role in What If so maybe? I found it satisfying seeing Ruffalo as Norton as the recast was such a continuity itch for me.
@@92brunod The extra time would improve the episodes tremendously. I would rather have less episodes if it meant they were 40-50 minutes instead of 30-35 minutes.
When you think about it, it makes sense that Hank Pym was angry at shield for the death of Hope but to make that anger stronger, it’s mentioned for the original yellow jacket from the ant man movie that the Pym particles made him go mad which is also shown with hank pym who is showned with anger and madness although keeping his intelligence the same as usual.
Yeah I mean if you notice his tone of voice, his scraggly facial hair, and the purple shading beneath his eyes, it shows that he’s gone bonkers and broken after the disappearance of his wife along with the death of his daughter.
The thing is they could still make films, i think universal needs a "iron man" type of movie success to jump start a Universe, i mean look at DC back to back shit films but they hired MCU directors now there films become "good"
@@deepblume6611 universal needs to focus on low budget horror movie versions of the classic monsters. The invisible Man was a good version of what they should focus on. Trying to make massive budget action movies around monster movies was ridiculous
@@ge2719 I would argue it's less that you can't make good action movies based on classic monsters, and more that you just need to make good movies. What we got instead had the classic Studio influence / trying to make a series and not just a single good movie. The key thing about the original Iron Man was it was a self-contained story it only set up a multiple movie franchise implications the very last post credit scene that you could have missed and not Miss some key part of the main movie story. You saw that with the Garfield Spiderman movies, which were so eager to setup multiple franchises I sacrificed everything else including just making a good Standalone film. I'd argue DC had much the same problem.
@@BladedEdge123 yup, and the connection between the mummy and the amazing spiderman movies, alex kurtzman. The guyvis a moron. The worst writer/producer in hollywood. Everything he makes is garbage and hes managed to ruin star trek movies, and now star trek on tv. As well as being given multiplepe 200million dollar movies that have been total crap.
Samuel L Jackson was great, probably because he’s got voice acting experience with Boondocks and Afro Samurai. He’s also just got a really distinctive and expressive way of talking that translates well to animation
Now we can say that the movie "incredible hulk" was set in an alternative universe. Everything still happened the same way as our universe, except Bruce Banner looked different. Bam, fixed it. What if Bruce Banner looked like Edward Norton rather than Mark Ruffalo? Turns out, not a whole lot different
It was definitely a great episode but half way through I definitely had the idea it could be an ant-man of some sort. Whether it’s Hank Pim, probably not Scott Lang but maybe Scott, or etc
Kinda figured it out when Black Widow visited Betty Ross to examine the needle thingy But still enjoyed the rest of the episode. Especially with what happened to the Hulk & the ending with Loki Solid episode. My favorite so far. Definitely in the minority here but I was underwhelmed with the previous 2
Sooooo, the big question at the end of this episode: what's Odin going to do when he wakes up from his Odinsleep? Is he going to go down to Midgard, grab Loki by the scruff of his neck and drag him back to Asgard? Or is he going to go all ape-crap on the planet in revenge for the death of his son?
These episodes just keep getting MORE & MORE interesting! I think we all though can appreciate Coulson's password AND Black widow's moment of grief then anger after what happened to Clint🙌.
0:19 - Come on, Mason, don't remind me... I binged the season of Loki and didn't get one "Waow..." from Owen Wilson. The closest I got was a "What? Haow?"
Cap wasn't entirely worthy around Age of Ultron tho, so anything before hat he also wouldn't be. Which also makes me wonder at what point in Civil War/Infinity War did the hammer officially deem him worthy
It was really good that I actually thought it was gonna be the Winter Soldier like “What if he were used on the Avengers?” And the reveal was a real punch to the gut cause he was the last person I’d expect
Love this episode, not 100% Hank Pym started murdering purely out of vengeance he probably started working super hard on that new Antman/YellowJacket suit to make sure nothing like what happened to his daughter happened again and then the bonus 2 years of exposure to the Pym particle made him lose his mind like he says in Antman 1. This is probably something most people saw straight away but I didn't so the episode hit different after I "realised" that
Love the random CM Punk clip! I've been rewatching his debut each day since Friday. Didn't expect to see it here, and now I'm going to back and watch it for the 100th time!!
I figured he would've told people he was a prince at some point, and they started calling him that as a joke. "oh but of course Prince T'Challa, Lord of the Stars"
I think that has to be from a different universe since here Hank still uses the original ant man helmet design for Yellowjacket while in that episode the giant helmet has the look from the ant man movie. I suppose that comes from a universe where Darren Cross experimented on giant man tech
@@gromusodus1949 well the multiverse already existed way before Sylvie she just made things worse. Remember Kang talked about himself from different universes. And in Endgame, Antman, and Dr.Strange, they mention a different universe. This is honestly seems more like a fun anthology series same way comics make non cannon stories all the time
@@ha-kh7ef If I recall correctly Kang had destroyed the multiverse and just created one timeline. And I think Antman and Dr. Strange were talking about either the Quantum Realm or potential timelines.
@@gromusodus1949 sylvie opened a specific universe to the other ones. the multiverse still existed but kang took one universe and closed it off, not letting it branch and not letting it breached.
I love the meta ness of the dark universe coming up, then the it’s like jazz joke from Spider-Man 3, the a picture of hank who is an awful wife beater in the comics. The cannon of this show is rich
@@Manakuuchiha True, but that was the Main universe Tony. This is an alternate universe Hank, you could put all the negative aspects of Hanks character in the comics and put it into the evil variant. You wouldn't even need him to abuse Janent, him drifting away from Hope and pushing her away due to the loss of his wife, to losing her to would make for compelling stuff. Honestly you could have him appear in an Atman movie and have Douglas play two versions of himself.
@@johnnyperozo2987 He struck his wife in the main universe and was a complete wife beater in the ultimate universe. He even sent ants after her and used bug spray.
No one seems to remember that Rhodey broke up Tonys drunken birthday party and took the War Machine armor the Sunday night before Tony is nursing his hangover inside the big donut! When Fury started collecting Caps at the end I wanted to see or hear that War Machine would be a suitable Iron Man replacement! Actually thinking back to Iron Man 2 and Fury turning Tony down for the Avenger Initiative why didn’t they just enlist War Machine?
That's always been a bit of contention for me ever since the first Avengers film. Rhodey, the trained fighter pilot with his own souped up Iron Man suit is right there. They really didn't need to ask for Tony, like at all. Though to be fair to this particular episode, he would've still been under the remote control of Whiplash and/or Justin Hammer. So those two might be why he doesn't show up at any point.
@@starhound9354 My sentiments exactly! Fury says the Council says yes to Iron Man but no to Tony Stark because he doesn’t follow orders and isn’t a good team player, that sounds like Rhodey to me, no? lol
OK spoilers... I SERIOUSLY predicted that Ghost from Ant Man and the Wasp was going to be the killer when I watched this. She could turn invisible and swap the syringe with a poison without anyone knowing. It would've also explained how Barton was killed plus she had motive considering she was used as a living weapon and assassin for SHIELD that Fury may not have known about considering Hydra's infiltration.
100% agree about the time thing, 15-20 minute longer episodes would really help flesh out the story. Also can't wait for next week when we will finally see the legendary Corn Of Coblin!
Dropping in CM Punk’s return to pro wrestling from last week just made my night. I appreciate bigtime when my pro wrestling fandom gets brought over into my other fandoms.
I honestly really want this movie to be announced ‘Antman: Tales to Astonish’ Where we have Michael Douglas De-aged and it starts in the 60s where he’s a SHIELD scientist and then in the 70s he becomes Antman and then his wife joins him in the late 70s/80s as the Wasp Given it’s the Cold War have the main villain be Radioactive Man and even have Antman fight a young Red Guardian before the events of the flash back in Black Widow
@@jedisalamander2457 Since the first Antman movie I wanted that kind of movie But I put more thought into it when I was rewatching the films in chronological order and it’s weird going from Captain America the First Avenger (1940s) to Captain Marvel (1990s) so in making a greater connected narrative in this film series it would be cool to have more in between those two films And also Michael Douglas is awesome (also… so is Michelle Pfeiffer) and both Antman and the Wasp were founding members of the Avengers in the comics so having them be early superheroes would play into that
Thor takes place the day after iron man 2 story ends. In the middle of iron man 2 Coulsen says he has a situation in new Mexico he needs to deal with, then at the end of the movie it shows him arriving on scene.
This one was okay, it's the best of the first three. I like the stand alone story instead of just changing the person and then keeping the story pretty similar.
5:03 - That's actually a REALLY good assessment. Obviously when I was watching it, I recognized Mark Ruffalo's voice, but didn't think his look quite matched, but that Norton/Ruffalo hybrid totally lines up.
The fact that Marvel even acknowledged the existence of the Incredible Hulk is incredible to me.
They did in the first avengers movie
Not only that, they brought back Betty Ross.
Ross was in black widow like two months ago
It’s always been canon.
@@wmascolin not betty, that was his father
I’m surprised I haven’t heard anyone mentioned that scene from Antman where Hank Pym states he can’t take any more Pym particles or else his brain will be effected. I think that’s the reason Hank ends up so messed up at the end
Wow. You're right.
Yeah, you're on the money. That's been a long running thing in the comics and the Yellow Jacket persoma is usually worn by Hank Pym when his mind is damaged by particles.
Yep, I guess he took the death of his daughter pretty hard. He must've gone insane designing the suit and his state of mind got worse the more he used it.
I thought it was a given because of the big purple evil bag eyes
Exactly, he's been exposed to the Pym particles too long due to being Antman for decades and its messed up his brain chemistry. And unlike the sacred timeline, Scott never takes over for him.
This was like one of those “X kills the marvel universe” comics, and I love it. Especially since MCU hasn’t explored comic Hank’s psychosis until now.
Also: great nick fury content
Its basically watching nick fury make his guest appearances but everyone dies ots a great idea
@@sebastiencarriere813 exactly
Fury's Big Week, only with MURRRRDERRRRR
John Krasinski: “and I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you meddlin’ kids!”
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Fury's _BAD_ Week!
@@AxxLAfriku ?
It would have been Furry's big week, but it wasn't made by James
Im gonna say the watcher does a good job and doesn't interfere in any episode
just wait until the Marvel Zombies episode LMFAO.
Yeah I get the feeling that he's a fella with a decent work ethic and healthy degree of non partisanship.
Watcher of the year
Ep1-6: 👁👁
Ep7-9: oh no a variant watcher...👁👁
The Watcher was really US all along!!!
Samuel L. Jackson has decent experience as a VA, being in Incredibles, Afro Samurai and the Boondocks
Dont forget GTA San Andreas
and don't forget his narration for Go the fuck to sleep :P
Don't forget Black Dynamite!!!
He's one of the most experienced actors in the mcu. Out of the main cast, he IS the most experienced.
Also voiced Mace Windu on Clone Wars
Everyone is giving Jackson praise but can we please also give Michael Douglass props in his voice acting I thought it was fantastic especially from an older Douglass
Hank Pym never feels center stage in the MCU, but Douglas always brings that perfect rage boiling just under the surface. It's interesting to see him get to portray the Hank that would totally happen if he lost the last of his family.
@@stranger59 I was just glad Michael Douglas got to portray a crazy Hank Pym like the one in the comics.
No. We cant. Stfu
@@stranger59 there is still space for him to go to insane hank pym persona in the feature
Is this his first time voice acting? Cuz if so, he did a good job, this episode had awesome voice acting that it felt like a movie TBH
I remember iron man 2, the incredible hulk, Thor and the ending of Captain America all being dubbed as Fury's busy/big week. Clark Gregg is in iron man 2 telling Tony he's going to where Thor's hammer is.
Ya.
In the background of thr lighting storm scene in Hulk you see Thor falling xD
The end of Cap was not part of Fury's big week.
@@raiden_c1 not true, its actually the rock that hulk throws 2 seconds earlier
At the end of iron man 2 when fury is meeting with Tony, there’s footage of the hulk college attack on in the background
People forget, War Machine is still a thing in this episode. Rhodey got the MK.2 armor which exists now and got upgrades from the army and Hammer
Is warmachine technically an avengers tho? He works for the government doesn't he?
Armie Hammer gave Rhodey the armor? Now that’s what I call a twist
Just how would Rhodey be able to stop Vanko and his programmed suit?
If that thing gets busted it's never gonna get fixed
@@jppain7321 Until Ironheart
This was the best episode so far, with the most original writing and the best references to the comics. I'm so happy they gave us Hank Pym Yellowjacket.
totally agree. i honestly wasn't that big on the first 2 episodes. i thought they were fine i guess(the 2nd being a bit better then the first) but this episode i really enjoyed. certainly was a bummer to see the avengers die but on the other hand, i'm excited now to see where this series is going(because it's obviously all going to be a shared arc).
My thoughts exactly!💯
Michael Douglas is perfect for a Yellow Jacket Hank Pym. It's pretty much a brainier version of his character from Falling Down.
Ive never heard Michael Douglas sound so hammy and over the top villainous so i agree with james that I was stuck in a limbo of "is this Michael Douglas or literally the best impressionist ive heard in a while?"
I remember he was among the cast list of actors (with Mark Ruffalo, Karen Gillan, and Chadwick Boseman) back in 2019, but I still was like “Is that Michael Douglas?”
Me at the end: All Loki did when he took over Asgard was invest in the arts, don’t mess this up for us Fury
Props to the editor actually putting "Gregg Clark" in the Cast Opening Credits 😆
the end of this episode made it feel more like a "What if Hank Pym was even MORE comic accurate?" rather than a "What if somebody killed all the avengers?"
Yes…. And? I thought that was the point.
This episode didn’t state the inciting reason for the change, because that was the central mystery.
I read the Fury Pym fight as that being Loki fighting the whole time as Fury... hence the flippy flips
Yeah me too, the moment he did all that blocking and like smacked hank out the air I was like oh it's loki
I really like that this episode still stuck to the “What of one thing changed” formula. This time they just left us to figure it out. Alternate title for the episode: “What if Hope van Dyne became a SHIELD agent”.
I just wish they showed it as a flash back or something. Because even at the end of the episode I was kind of still left wondering if that was the initial change that set everything off or if there was still new information to learn.
@Maximum I mean, yeah that’s the big change any smaller ones don’t matter to the story being told
As for a flashback, it would have been clunky and just showed us stuff that we already knew
@@jonasquinn7977A flashback or some information alluding to it would have been nice
@@CinematriX_TX21 Why thought? Where would they have fit those things without them being clunky and/or giving the whole mystery away?
@@jonasquinn7977 Mysteries are supposed to have hints to who the culprit is so you can figure it out, we had none of that in this which was stupid to me
My first guess was Zola’s Algorithm kicking in and activating Hydra Sleeper Agents.
Yep, I also thought that, also. I personally pegged Crossbones and the other Hydra S.H.I.E.L.D. guys to be the culprits.
The giveaway that it was not Hydra, though, was how easily the Hulk was killed. No way it could be any normal bad guy, because if they knew how to kill the Hulk, it'd sure be hard to explain why they never bothered to take him out in the normal continuity.
Same here
Exactly, I was like "Thor might smell like lavander, but this smells like Hydra's work"
And it wouldn’t be to far off with the access to the Avengers Initiative data. Hoped for Robot body ZolaXD
Yeah, I was leaning that way at first, too.
I like how the Bruce Banner looks like he's two thirds Edward Norton and one third Mark Ruffalo.
Or 100% Mark Wahlberg ?
It's literally just Mark Ruffalo wearing Norton's clothes. That is it.
@@Alex95rlz sorry, I was talking about the mashed up picture the editor made. Apparently Ed Norton and Mark Ruffalo child is Mark Wahlberg.
@@TheJesselopez1981 oh, my reply was actually meant for the user who started this comment section. Forgot to reference.
@@Alex95rlz no problem, but is it just me or was that Wahlberg?
There is a line about Hope dying in Odessa and Black Widow mentioned about Winter Soldier attack in Odessa (In Winter Soldier) so maybe, Pierce had her killed, and then manipulated Hank to destroy the Avenger Initiative which could impact Hydra's plans.
Samuel L Jackson has been into voice acting for ages. He was Tenpenny in San Andreas
And afro samurai / ninja ninja
And FroZone in The Incredibles!
Yeah, that line confused me too and I was like “this ain’t his first time doing this 🤨😂)
He also watches classy stuff with Japanese school girls and tentacle creatures.
That is DRUG MONEY CJ
Tonally this was a really dark episode for the "what if" series Hulk exploding what surprisingly gorey
*was
@@xtensioncordtv1969 shut up
No it wasn't. It looked like he exploded into a fart cloud or something. It looked really kid-friendly.
I mean Peggy Carter is a mass murderer who kicks a mans knees backwards in the first episode.
@@kuwabarawastaken4235 The whole thing is disappointingly kid oriented. The humor they tried with Coulson/the stuff about Thor was just embarrassing. It has some interesting concepts but it's hard to watch what feels like a show for children.
Well, the Newvengers wouldn't have Wanda, since Hydra used Loki's staff (mind stone) to experiment on her after stealing it from SHIELD post Loki's defeat in New York.
Agreed, if there all connected. I think we should all accept What If’s? Are just gonna be What if? Since we’ve already punched holes in the timelines. I said the same thing for Caps Shield in the ice, can’t happen if Cap Carter, is Cap and Rogers ended up as the Hydra Stomper.
@@bradlewis9050 Oh no, I agree that they aren't connected, but still, in this episode's timeline the Maximoff twins couldn't be experimented on since there's no Battle of New York that leads to SHIELD (Hydra) possessing the Mind Stone.
I think every episode is a new and unconnected timeline, and in the end The Watcher's gonna reunite them somehow.
@@tomassalvoaportone7474 it also means Loki doesn’t need to make a deal with Thanos, since Thanos is calm and befriend the new Starlord etc etc
Didn't Wanda have latent abilities before the Mind Stone experiments? I can't remember if that's canon or fanon
@@echidna8159 she is still a witch and powers
WHAT IF but it's Maso telling James there's Star Wars news... how would the multiverse change then?
The guy who doesn't know what star wars is would not exist.
@@LegendMkr7 🙊 that’s true
The universe as we know it would collapse
My brother works at one of the public libraries in Manassas, VA. He was disappointed that What If used generic library footage, rather than one of the four specific, identifiable libraries in Manassas.
yeah, i was excited to see manassas then i realized it was a library that looked nothing like any of the ones there. what's the point of including a specific place if you don't make it look like that place? it's animation, so it's not like you even need to be on location at all
But nobody else gives a damn 🤷🏾♂️
Ohh get over it, it was a Cartoon
@@zane990 it's because they used exactly the same location they used in the Ed Norton Hulk movie so they must have used a fake location in the movie. And nobody cares but you and that dudes brother lol
I guess the The Ancient One, Wong and the Eternals are still chilling. Eating popcorn and watching Loki rule.
Probably dead this is a ALT universe
The Eternals: Not a Deviant, not our problem. Good luck y'all 👍
Cuz the TVA will prune them if they interfere
@@uscman not sure the TVA matters much anymore.
@@matthewmojica7819 True 😂
It was reeeeeaaaaaally weird seeing the Incredible Hulk with Mark Ruffalo 😵 makes you wonder of we're going to see Don Cheadle in some Iron Man 1 scenes
Well, there is the episode based on 2008’s Iron Man where Killmonger saves Tony from that missile and Don Cheadle is reprising his role in What If so maybe? I found it satisfying seeing Ruffalo as Norton as the recast was such a continuity itch for me.
I think an extra 10 minutes would be perfect. It would help improve every episode and make them feel less like they are rushing.
Yeah, I don't know why they decided to limit themselves to less than 30'
@@92brunod The extra time would improve the episodes tremendously. I would rather have less episodes if it meant they were 40-50 minutes instead of 30-35 minutes.
@@92brunod for children thats why, and cutting animation money cost. cause animation is expensive
@@92brunod they probably had a limited time for each episode set by Disney
@@galaxymoonlqght3732 Yeah, for sure. It just feels like they shot themselves in the foot with that decision.
When you think about it, it makes sense that Hank Pym was angry at shield for the death of Hope but to make that anger stronger, it’s mentioned for the original yellow jacket from the ant man movie that the Pym particles made him go mad which is also shown with hank pym who is showned with anger and madness although keeping his intelligence the same as usual.
Exactly! Hank was so traumatized by Janets disappearance that I totally believe he would go crazy if Hope died working for SHIELD of all places.
Yeah I mean if you notice his tone of voice, his scraggly facial hair, and the purple shading beneath his eyes, it shows that he’s gone bonkers and broken after the disappearance of his wife along with the death of his daughter.
They joke, but I do feel like the absolute failure of the Dark Universe is a significant moment in movie history.
The thing is they could still make films, i think universal needs a "iron man" type of movie success to jump start a Universe, i mean look at DC back to back shit films but they hired MCU directors now there films become "good"
@@deepblume6611 universal needs to focus on low budget horror movie versions of the classic monsters.
The invisible Man was a good version of what they should focus on.
Trying to make massive budget action movies around monster movies was ridiculous
@@ge2719 I would argue it's less that you can't make good action movies based on classic monsters, and more that you just need to make good movies. What we got instead had the classic Studio influence / trying to make a series and not just a single good movie. The key thing about the original Iron Man was it was a self-contained story it only set up a multiple movie franchise implications the very last post credit scene that you could have missed and not Miss some key part of the main movie story.
You saw that with the Garfield Spiderman movies, which were so eager to setup multiple franchises I sacrificed everything else including just making a good Standalone film. I'd argue DC had much the same problem.
If they had got a good writer and director, then that Mummy movie might have been good. It's that simple.
@@BladedEdge123 yup, and the connection between the mummy and the amazing spiderman movies, alex kurtzman.
The guyvis a moron. The worst writer/producer in hollywood. Everything he makes is garbage and hes managed to ruin star trek movies, and now star trek on tv. As well as being given multiplepe 200million dollar movies that have been total crap.
I thought the same “Samual L Jackson is a good voice actor” until I realized he’s VAed multiple full length movies before
"was that about a microsoft surface tablet?"
*cue edit of someone writing "yes" in a surface commercial*
excellent work as always
That's Victoria Alonso, one of the other two besides Feige who are in charge of the MCU
I was gonna say this. editing is always top notch.
“I don’t give a damn about any of em” -Fury
was my favorite line in any Marvel media ever
Because it's totally psycho? Lol
@@kevthepoet well it was Loki saying it
@@bearimo2867 good point
Episode was way darker than I expected. Kinda felt feelings watching the super heroes I grew up with killed off in rapid succession.
The Watcher is that dude that records with his phone yelling World Star when a fight happens but doesn't interfere at all LUL.
And Rod Serling in The Twilight Zone
I like how the used the newer movies to make retroactive decisions. Like when fury pulls out the beeper
Face mathematics: Edward Norton + Mark Ruffalo = Oscar Isaac?
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@@Dsarah86 Mard Rutton
Samuel L Jackson was great, probably because he’s got voice acting experience with Boondocks and Afro Samurai. He’s also just got a really distinctive and expressive way of talking that translates well to animation
And incredibles....
And gta
Honey! Where's my super suit?!
I was amazed how poor Tom Hiddleston's performance was. He's such a good actor but his voice acting was lacking.
@@robboniface6752 I thought he was fine.... nothing spectacular, but did the job
"BIG BOYYY SPOILER!"
(Meanwhile in the background)
Thor: "Moljnor!"
*(literally seconds later)*
Thor: AAAAAAAGGH!
Now we can say that the movie "incredible hulk" was set in an alternative universe. Everything still happened the same way as our universe, except Bruce Banner looked different. Bam, fixed it. What if Bruce Banner looked like Edward Norton rather than Mark Ruffalo? Turns out, not a whole lot different
Does that mean the first Iron Man happened in an alternative universe too? What if Rhodey looked like Terrence Howard instead of Don Cheadle?
In “Loki” a bunch of Lokis aren’t played by Hiddleston, so universes have different genes or some shit.
I love how parts of the episode felt like a remake of The Incredible Hulk with Mark Ruffalo
layering jacksons and hiddlestons laughing over one another was a nice touch
This episode was solid the murderer definitely surprised me!!!
It was definitely a great episode but half way through I definitely had the idea it could be an ant-man of some sort. Whether it’s Hank Pim, probably not Scott Lang but maybe Scott, or etc
Kinda figured it out when Black Widow visited Betty Ross to examine the needle thingy But still enjoyed the rest of the episode. Especially with what happened to the Hulk & the ending with Loki
Solid episode. My favorite so far. Definitely in the minority here but I was underwhelmed with the previous 2
Hulk went out Violet Beauregarde style. After that scene I thought for sure the murderer was Willy Wonka.
I got spoiled early by Twitter but thankfully the execution was good enough that it took the sting out of knowing the killer beforehand.
I like that it wasn’t just a murder mystery, the what if? scenario was also a mystery, that being Hope dying as a shield agent.
Sooooo, the big question at the end of this episode: what's Odin going to do when he wakes up from his Odinsleep? Is he going to go down to Midgard, grab Loki by the scruff of his neck and drag him back to Asgard? Or is he going to go all ape-crap on the planet in revenge for the death of his son?
He’d try and get his ass beat by Brie Larson
@@garenthal9638 I don't think you realize how powerful Odin is...
@@garenthal9638 LMAO really?
Did anyone else think black widow was saying “it’s hulk it’s all hulk” on the voicemail cuz that’s what I thought and I was really confused
I thought I was the only one, I was confused too
Is it just me or does the "we talk movies, and comics and TV shows" get a bit faster every week?
These episodes just keep getting MORE & MORE interesting! I think we all though can appreciate Coulson's password AND Black widow's moment of grief then anger after what happened to Clint🙌.
0:19 - Come on, Mason, don't remind me... I binged the season of Loki and didn't get one "Waow..." from Owen Wilson. The closest I got was a "What? Haow?"
This was the best ep so far: the cha-cha episode was fun but stuff was happening WAY too fast
I still find it funny/ironic
Episode 2 was very fun and hopefully until the dark ending
Episode 3 is very dark and grim, but did have a hopeful ending
a hopeful ending with new dictator loki
@@millwall0178 TVA: (busts in) not today, satan!
@@millwall0178 that’s going to get his *ss whooped by Carol Danvers. Also we still have American’s *ss, safe and secure
The first 2 were bad...I almost couldn't watch them
That would've been hilarious if characters that were never in MCU got to make the first appearance in what if.
When Fury was doing all his spinny flips, I assumed it was Loki disguising himself.
Congrats
I thought Fury was the Sorcerer Supreme of this timeline since he was on the list of potential Avengers.
I thought maybe Fury had taken the super soldier serum. He was even doing the same spinny flips that Blonski was doing in the Incredible Hulk movie
I reckon that The Watcher will interfere by saving someone from the Marvel Zombies universe
Love the mention of the Spanish voice actors credit which we all awkwardly rewinded to in search for a post credit gem
"The other can throw a frisbee".
And hold the now-always-available Mjolnir. So...
So...it's time turn Mjolnir into a frisbee? j/k:P
Cap wasn't entirely worthy around Age of Ultron tho, so anything before hat he also wouldn't be. Which also makes me wonder at what point in Civil War/Infinity War did the hammer officially deem him worthy
@@jakewhite5767 Didn't someone say it was canon that he didn't pick it up at the party on purpose?
@@Jetsiuc Yeah the Russos
But they gave the hammer back to Loki (Its his brothers last effects) so it would be hard for steve to get to it
I'm glad we never got a smart Hulk in Endgame with Edward Norton's face
Why did you make me imagine that
@@PirateCat822 5:24
@@et3an861 yarrghhh my eyes,it burns
Kind of expected Steve Rogers to rock up in the Captain Marvel suit at the end.
Why didn't Loki turn blue when he used the Casket of Ancient Winters?
16:28 that transition was tight.
To be honest I don't even watch comic book movies, I just like hearing y'all make them funny words
Can't believe Samuel L Jackson was able to convince Marvel to let Fury a purple light saber!
It was really good that I actually thought it was gonna be the Winter Soldier like “What if he were used on the Avengers?”
And the reveal was a real punch to the gut cause he was the last person I’d expect
Halfway through, especially with the Hulk inflating, I was sure sure it was an Ant-Man character, just not sure who? Pym, Hope or even Cross?
@@jerrymathewninan6739 i mean they also talk about nano technology which is the first thing that sorts gave it away
Love this episode, not 100% Hank Pym started murdering purely out of vengeance he probably started working super hard on that new Antman/YellowJacket suit to make sure nothing like what happened to his daughter happened again and then the bonus 2 years of exposure to the Pym particle made him lose his mind like he says in Antman 1. This is probably something most people saw straight away but I didn't so the episode hit different after I "realised" that
Love the random CM Punk clip! I've been rewatching his debut each day since Friday. Didn't expect to see it here, and now I'm going to back and watch it for the 100th time!!
When Widow said "hope" I figured she meant hope van dyne
But I didn't make the connection and the hank twist surprised me
I thought she said "Hulk" until Nick replayed the message XD
I saw the file photo of Janet Van Dyne and thought she meant Hope was the killer.
@@cm275 yeah I also saw the pic I first thought its janet that was behind the killing cause she is still alive
I figured he was called Star-Lord because T'Challa was a noble but in space, so, you know, he's like a Star Lord.
I figured he would've told people he was a prince at some point, and they started calling him that as a joke. "oh but of course Prince T'Challa, Lord of the Stars"
CM Punk was the last thing I was expecting to see in the video HOLY FUCK
I wonder if the Yellow Jacket helmet found in Episode 5 of Loki is actually from this universe
Maybe, but I assumed that all of these what if episodes take place after Sylvie created the multiverse.
I think that has to be from a different universe since here Hank still uses the original ant man helmet design for Yellowjacket while in that episode the giant helmet has the look from the ant man movie. I suppose that comes from a universe where Darren Cross experimented on giant man tech
@@gromusodus1949 well the multiverse already existed way before Sylvie she just made things worse. Remember Kang talked about himself from different universes. And in Endgame, Antman, and Dr.Strange, they mention a different universe. This is honestly seems more like a fun anthology series same way comics make non cannon stories all the time
@@ha-kh7ef If I recall correctly Kang had destroyed the multiverse and just created one timeline. And I think Antman and Dr. Strange were talking about either the Quantum Realm or potential timelines.
@@gromusodus1949 sylvie opened a specific universe to the other ones. the multiverse still existed but kang took one universe and closed it off, not letting it branch and not letting it breached.
This episode answered the age old school yard debate of what if Ironman, Thor and Hulk died
This is how I like my What If's...GRIM.
It's weird seeing so many people say this episode was silly after last episode.
Isn't that the point of the series?
This is way more believable than Tchalla talking Thanos down to become a good guy that was just dumb like DCEU dumb
I thought it was fun and it was cool to focus on a lot of side characters.
These episodes are supposed to be silly and fun sometimes dark and the fact people hate it because of that is just sad 😂😂😂😂😂
@@jakeevans4130 exactly. Lol. Why are people taking this so seriously
The Watcher's always given me a creep vibe lol, like Jerry Smith's voyer dad 🤣
The "Clark Gregg or Gregg Clark" edit in the credits is phenomenal. As usual Collings, knocks it out of the park in ways I could never predict.
When Nick did a flip over Hank, I thought it was just a Skrull, not Loki
I love the meta ness of the dark universe coming up, then the it’s like jazz joke from Spider-Man 3, the a picture of hank who is an awful wife beater in the comics. The cannon of this show is rich
I think it would be cool if they brought this version of Hank into the live-action MCU and explored the "wife-beater" aspect of his character.
@@Manakuuchiha that was kinda in iron man 2
@@Manakuuchiha True, but that was the Main universe Tony. This is an alternate universe Hank, you could put all the negative aspects of Hanks character in the comics and put it into the evil variant. You wouldn't even need him to abuse Janent, him drifting away from Hope and pushing her away due to the loss of his wife, to losing her to would make for compelling stuff. Honestly you could have him appear in an Atman movie and have Douglas play two versions of himself.
Newsflash: Hank was never a Wife Beater
@@johnnyperozo2987 He struck his wife in the main universe and was a complete wife beater in the ultimate universe. He even sent ants after her and used bug spray.
No one seems to remember that Rhodey broke up Tonys drunken birthday party and took the War Machine armor the Sunday night before Tony is nursing his hangover inside the big donut! When Fury started collecting Caps at the end I wanted to see or hear that War Machine would be a suitable Iron Man replacement! Actually thinking back to Iron Man 2 and Fury turning Tony down for the Avenger Initiative why didn’t they just enlist War Machine?
That's always been a bit of contention for me ever since the first Avengers film.
Rhodey, the trained fighter pilot with his own souped up Iron Man suit is right there. They really didn't need to ask for Tony, like at all.
Though to be fair to this particular episode, he would've still been under the remote control of Whiplash and/or Justin Hammer. So those two might be why he doesn't show up at any point.
He's a military man
@@starhound9354 My sentiments exactly! Fury says the Council says yes to Iron Man but no to Tony Stark because he doesn’t follow orders and isn’t a good team player, that sounds like Rhodey to me, no? lol
1. Rhodes is in the military
2. Tony isn't just the suit
Whiplash would still take full control of the suit as well as the other drones he built.
12:18 WELL that is a face I was not expecting to see on this episode here. Hello there mr CM Punk Sir, nice to have you back :)
The editing on these are great! Love the Clark Gregg or Gregg Clark in the credits
Aha cheers for catching!!
OK spoilers...
I SERIOUSLY predicted that Ghost from Ant Man and the Wasp was going to be the killer when I watched this. She could turn invisible and swap the syringe with a poison without anyone knowing. It would've also explained how Barton was killed plus she had motive considering she was used as a living weapon and assassin for SHIELD that Fury may not have known about considering Hydra's infiltration.
she doesn't turn invisible
@@chittaphonlee10no Yes she can. Her powers allow her to turn invisible and intangible thanks to her unique exposure to the quantum realm
@@grantmoore8228 invisible is not the same as quantum displacement
100% agree about the time thing, 15-20 minute longer episodes would really help flesh out the story. Also can't wait for next week when we will finally see the legendary Corn Of Coblin!
Dropping in CM Punk’s return to pro wrestling from last week just made my night. I appreciate bigtime when my pro wrestling fandom gets brought over into my other fandoms.
I love it, I came to the exact same conclusions about the timeline as they did as I was watching. Feels good, man. Keep crackin' on.
Man, the Watcher stepping in always makes my mind go to galactus.
The episode was absolutely incredible I cannot believe we finally saw Corn of Coblin and all his murderous deeds!
This is the best way to do a walk thru video. Love you guys
That transition from feigie to thanos is a work of art
I liked the MCU adaptation of Hank Pym's comic Yellowjacket suit
Note to self: don’t put enlarging disk on my heart 📝
Top notch work, the conversation between the visuals and audio was superb :)
Ahh cheers BH!
I honestly really want this movie to be announced
‘Antman: Tales to Astonish’
Where we have Michael Douglas De-aged and it starts in the 60s where he’s a SHIELD scientist and then in the 70s he becomes Antman and then his wife joins him in the late 70s/80s as the Wasp
Given it’s the Cold War have the main villain be Radioactive Man and even have Antman fight a young Red Guardian before the events of the flash back in Black Widow
That's an awesome idea, I wanna see that! Great title too!
@@jedisalamander2457 Since the first Antman movie I wanted that kind of movie
But I put more thought into it when I was rewatching the films in chronological order and it’s weird going from Captain America the First Avenger (1940s) to Captain Marvel (1990s) so in making a greater connected narrative in this film series it would be cool to have more in between those two films
And also Michael Douglas is awesome (also… so is Michelle Pfeiffer) and both Antman and the Wasp were founding members of the Avengers in the comics so having them be early superheroes would play into that
Thor takes place the day after iron man 2 story ends. In the middle of iron man 2 Coulsen says he has a situation in new Mexico he needs to deal with, then at the end of the movie it shows him arriving on scene.
I said the same thing!!! After the flip, I was like that’s not Fury 😂
I kinda figured it out when “Fury” asked Pym about Thor
@@cashomnitrix also calling Stark..."Anthony" instead of just "Tony" felt off
I loved this episode. So many crazy things that just keep getting added on without it being too fast paced
I thought it was gonna be hydra somehow. Great twist!
This one was okay, it's the best of the first three. I like the stand alone story instead of just changing the person and then keeping the story pretty similar.
Why is the editing in the 1st minute of this so damn good?!
Daaamn, cheers D'Andre!!
5:03 - That's actually a REALLY good assessment. Obviously when I was watching it, I recognized Mark Ruffalo's voice, but didn't think his look quite matched, but that Norton/Ruffalo hybrid totally lines up.
Omg the CM Punk I'm back made me laugh that was great ! My favorite episode is still the guardians.
It's not yet possible for this to be connected to episode 1 as there's no Captain America in this universe to be frozen.
Surprised no one else mentioned this
Did carter get frozen at the end of episode 1? If so then it’s still possible.
@@noealva No, she jumped forward in time using a portal. Additionally, the shield in this episode had the American flag instead of the British one.
I don’t believe these are supposed to be interconnected stories. Each one is happening in its own universe.
@@brentoutashape9141 I think some of them are going to be but these ones so far definitely aren't.
I'd be down for Maso watching these and just being stunned by everything.
Ngl these are getting better with every episode and I expect them to get crazier as it builds up to a crazy multiverse thing at the end
one thing i liked about this episode was how Pym's yellow jacket suit is closer to the comics instead of what was shown in live action
Well... the one in Live Action is Darren Cross (Yellowjacket), not Hank Pym (Yellowjacket).
@@cybrid37 i know but i prefer the hank pym storyline in the comics and the suit which is closer to the one in the episode
I dunno if it's the nostalgia, but it's my favorite so far