imagine if this is PReed, Bryson or Cantlay that reacted this was to Rory’s caddy celebrating… I bet the framing of this would be a little different in the corrupt media
So Lacava was a player ? His player had finished for the day but he’s still there in the middle of the green, on his own with no players or other caddies around him, waving his hat. He’s just the hired help and ,no matter how enthusiastic, should learn his place.
This commentator,whoever he is,is talking bullshit.After Cantlay sunk his putt LaCava should have taken one fist pump and got off the green so that the next man,Rory in this instance,could prepare for his putt.LaCava should have got off the green.What the hell was he doing there after his player had putt out.Was he a player?Hell no!LaCava was 100% wrong and so is anybody who even slightly supports his actions.
I never saw this live, so when I heard about all the controversy I tried to find video of LaCava walking in McIlroy 's line and it didn't exist. Well done "Thinking Man".
So now the narrative is changing to "encroachment" ? All Rory had to do was let the celebration/emotion ease up and everything would have taken care of itself. BTW I was rooting for the Europeans.@@peterwallis5827
@@jordybeans2392 Of course it's different, but have a look at all other caddies this day, they were fair and with the attitude of sportsmanship - e.g. the caddies of Max Homa, Scotty Scheffler, Burns, etc. They knew exactly how to "behave" even it was a Ryder Cup....cheers
Tony - you were there so you know: 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to where Rory confronted caddie Joe LaCava. Rory has far too much Ryder Cup experience not to recognize the scene and wait at least one minute before rushing in. Smarter still, was to wait until the stage cleared and then seize the moment and sink your putt without distraction.
That's not what happened. Here is the video. Start at the 26 second mark: Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark): th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
NOPE. at 37 s rRoray is Behind the ball starting to walk out his put. LaCava is right beside Canley then decided to take of his hat and walk towards Rorrys ball/ Middle of green. Rorry should be able to have clear line of shot and pre shot minnimal movement from evryone on the green as every good golfer/caddie does. What is Rorry supposed to do ?? Start all his routine all over again because LaCava dicides to grand stand.... you are wrong. @@ThinkingManShow
Joe did not walk back on green, he never left it......please open your eyes when you watch......keep your fellings out of it. Rory was walking in a line towards his ball, stopped, turned to his right and approached Joe. THAT IS WHAT THE VIDEO SHOWS....ha ha ha n@@paullangan193
Rory whining like a little school girl AGAIN. . .because LaCava was celebrating (but apparently Caddies can’t celebrate, or be on the green as they’re just machines that carry bags and read yardages). . .telling how Rory was scared as he knew wasn’t going to make a putt on top of Cantlay to tie. . .surprise surprise. Now that’s a disgrace. 😂
I'm not a Rory fan by any means...but he is right in this situation. Caddies should never be part of the action during a round of golf...gesturing, waving, being in the center of the green after his player is done...a completely amateur and inappropriate move by Joe L. The US players lost the cup...but this incident and its consequences will for him for the rest of his career...
Totally agree. Not a fan of Rory but there were two players still to play. The celebration went on way too long. It is not for Rory to wait for the celebration to finish. He should be allowed to putt out. LaCava should've got back out of the way and not be walking around the middle of the green. The US Team and LaCava showed no respect for the other players. Let everyone putt out, then celebrate. The US Team have history with this at Brookline.
@@billmoyer3254 So you think dancing around in the middle of the green whilst your opponent is preparing to putt is fine? He should’ve been back with his player on the edge of the green.
Good analysis. I've been thinking the same since seeing the video. McIlroy could've / should've just waited a minute to let the celebration die down then none of this would've happened. He may be a bit of a princess but mostly I think the stress / pressure of the moment got to him and he started to hurry to prepare for his putt. Because he's the tour's / media's chosen one most of the narrative has been blaming Lacava but I agree with you, this one is on RM.
correct, up untill Rory spoke to him. At that point Lavaca should hve walked away and not approached Rory...on that count he is 100% wrong...whether Rory started it or not. This comes from an ex tour caddie
@@shadowjohns LaCava lingered too long. But Rory said something, most likely “get off the green you’re just a caddy”. LaCava probably snapped at being disrespected. LaCava has caddied for Freddie and Tiger. Probably told Rory to piss off. What did he have to lose at that point?
rory took on the roll as leader/spokesperson on the PGA tour he seemed like the ryder cup was his to lead as well after the PGA tour hung him out to dry it seemed he had some feelings that he needed letting out, i think the american caddie's were an easy target
Such an interesting point! Not sure why he feels the responsibility to speak for the PGA players. I enjoy him alot more when he displays his huge talent ON the course. Joe L was totally out of line...but Rory's response was pretty intense ..
@jackiejay4556 no. You’re excusing bad behavior bc it’s Rory. If Patrick Reed did the same thing you’d just call him a sore loser for that match and move on
@jackiejay4556 Because...almost single handedly Rory created a huge rift among the world's best golfers...totally disrespecting anyone who didn't march in step with the PGA tour. I want to see the best players in the world play as often as possible and he has taken it upon himself to try and minimize these opportunities. He is a fantastic golfer...I just want him to stay with the talent and not speak for the whole group of professionals.
Rory got shocked when Patrick made his putt, he thought he would go undefeated and he said something to Lacava that got under Joe's skin. Remember Rory cries when he loses 😢. I haven't heard any media wanting to here Lacava's side about what Rory said to him, Rory just got his FEELINGS hurt and Lacava, a caddy, was disrespected and was supposed to bow down. Good for you Joe
Rory said something like " your a caddy, so get out of the way" ..some thing that a players should never say....can u imagine Jack even thinking about putting down a caddy?
Spot on analysis here, as Rory looks to prop himself up by diminishing others. He's done this many times in the past. He's a petulant tool unless he's in the spotlight.
Thx Bill...........the broadcast video even shows Rory walking around the hole while Cantlay is still picking the ball out of the cup. The entire time lapse from Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to Rory stopping to say something to LaCava is 23 seconds. Time lapse of the whole incident start to finish (Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to LaCava walking away from Rory: 40 seconds) Bob Rotella was having cardiac arrest watching Rory's actions. We can hear Rotella yelling at the screen saying "wait, wait, take your time Rory. Focus on your task and don't see or hear anything else". Rory did the opposite. April 4th 2023 www.golfmonthly.com/news/mcilroy-to-work-with-mental-game-guru-bob-rotella-ahead-of-grand-slam-attempt Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark): th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
I disagree with the analysis. I'm absolutely no fan of McElroy but LaCava was walking in the wrong direction ie. towards McIlroy when he should have been backing off, not getting in McIlroy's eyeline and almost looking to provoke McIlroy with the hat waving. In such a critical moment of the match LaCava should have been backing off.
Point 1 - Rory should have waited for the moment to run it’s course. He didn’t wait at all. Point 2 - Joe was standing still waving at the crowd as Rory walked in front of him, stopped, turned to Joe and starting talking. The video is clear.
Why should Rory have to wait ? He just seems to be stalking his putt. Judging by the movement of LaCava's feet he's obviously moving in the direction that Rory is walking ie towards Rory, when there was no need. I feel that LaCava can celebrate all he wants, just stand still and give McIlroy space. @@ThinkingManShow
@@ThinkingManShowalways appreciate the insight. I saw the whole thing and thought what he never stepped in his line. LaCava was salty cause they were yelling at Cantlay all day. He had an emotional reaction. I actually like Rory but was weak here. And you nailed it. His mental game is weak. Hence no majors in 10 years. At the Open against Cam, one clutch shot or putt and he wins. Thanks as always!
Point lacava was standing too close in general and not being very aware of his surroundings. He is the only one standing that close. And as he was waving his hat he could’ve been walking away or around to excite the crowd not stand in one spot 🤔 definitely not innocent and Rory always sitting on a pedestal 🙄
I get you hate Mcllroy but this is a really odd take. The celebration from the other three Americans involved in this match were over and had stood off to the back of the green. La Cava continued celebrating when everyone else had stopped and wandered into traffic. No doubt he was told to eff off. Rorys reaction was extremely predictable, over the top and childish. All La Cava had to do was quickly apologize and its over but instead he ran his mouth......caddie to player. An outrageous overstep by a caddie. No wonder he got the reaction he got. In reality if he had followed the lead set by Cantlay who behaved in an impeccable manner in a horrible situation, not of his own making, this would not have happened. The ugly American stereotype boosted yet again
@basstib.9343 yes it should only be played by the well mannered wealthy elite. And those boorish peasant caddies should be seen not heard, after all they're the dregs of society only there to cater to every demand and to be abused by the wealthy elite players as they wish. You've got to love the traditions of golf, right.
I have said this several times, "What did Rory say???" The caddy was red faced pissed, there is an angle that shows his face and he was furious. Lining up the ball was BS!!!! Now I do think the girls should kiss and make up, but Rory is in for a fast New York minute when he gets to Beth the Bish golf course. It will almost be embarrassing how much abuse he is in for.
@jackiejay4556 Been watching golf for 25 years cupcake. Rory hasn’t won a major in 10 years, and has been an insolent child. Also, no, the Ryder cup is not the standard. If it was Sergio would be the greatest golfer of all time.
At least when first reported it had nothing to do with LaCava walking on Rory's line. Impossible to prove if this was intentional by LaCava. None of us other than LaCava himself knows whether he was intentionally trying to wind Rory up.
It reeks of Team Europe looking for an emotional edge as they lost their momentum from Friday. The reports are they "stormed" off into a room and held a team meeting to vent.
Rory isn’t comfortable in his skin… hasn’t been the same since the broken engagement, Markel fling and big Nike contract… He sold out and let everything possible get in the way of his potential to be great
why should Rory have waited for a caddy to finish his celebrations in the middle of the green by the hole, when all the american players were already off the green? if the story is about the caddy, then he is by definition in the wrong.
I would not call him weak. Rory is actually extremely strong mentally compared to most people but agree that compared to the names you mentioned, he’s not even close, at least not for years now. If he was he would have so many more majors. But also Rory is a drama QUEEN, he cannot help himself, which creates huge distractions for himself. Also big smarts come into question yet again. Logically there was almost nothing to gain from that drama and a lot to lose. You really can make a case without that incident the Us team does not have the resolve to make it close for a while there on Sunday.
Whatever Rory said really set off LaCava. We assume it was meant to demean Joe (you’re just a caddie) which is part of Rory’s character - he puts people down to try and elevate himself. “naive, ignorant, sad” Phil Mickelson who was dead right about PGAT keeping money away from the players - and made / is making Rory millions upon millions by helping launch LIV.
@@ThinkingManShow That is what the US golf media are covering up...Rory talking down to a caddy....poor form....can you even imagine Jack or Arnie doing such a thing? No...
I think Rory just said to get out of the way that he was standing too close. And Joe told him to chill out. That’s for the most part what happened on the green. Then Rory thought he had not created enough drama so he acted in that rage quite a while after the incident. I don’t know what Rory is but I do know he should listen to Joe and chill out.
Seve could dish it big time and he could take it. The right combination. Seve would have waited for the scene to play out another 60 seconds and then taken the stage for himself to drain his own putt and steal back the moment.
This is a really interesting analysis of the situation B Team. Pre-LIV I was a real Rory fan and wanted him to win more majors and propel his stature within the game to even greater heights. However post LIV I feel completely different. He has gone out of his way to be petty and bad mouth anything to do with LIV. He has also flip flopped his position on LIV several times. Now I hope he never wins another major. In this scenario however I am sure Rory was shattered when Cantlay holed the putt - Lets be honest give him 10 more goes - he would probably not hole it again. We all get pissed when someone does that to us in a competition. Then to see La Cava carrying on like he made the putt - in a split second I'm sure Rory just snapped. That said, he should act with more maturity. I'm sure Rory would not have felt the same when Fitzpatrick just got on a roll and seemed to hole everything (against the odds) - Rory definitely saw the funny side to that. I think Rory has definitely demonstrated a complete lack of maturity over the last 18 months and I do think he has alienated many people. I also now think Rory over estimates his importance in the game of golf. There are times now when I think he sees himself as the Oracle of golf today and everyone should agree with his every pronouncement. He thinks he should win everything because - "well I'm Rory McIlroy and I'm a better player than you - so you shouldn't be allowed to beat me". I agree with you B Team - I think he has major insecurities and an inferiority complex. But again my view may be a little biased as I am now very much an anti Rory guy.
Thx John.........Rory's life and career to date has much, much evidence that he doesn't really know who he is. He thinks he knows who he's supposed to be; and that gets him into trouble. The kind of trouble that prevents one reaching their potential. "I'm supposed to be the passionate leader of Team Euro, so I'll go tell Joe LaCava off. Then I'll make an embarrassing scene in the parking lot which will really show my passion." It's not who he really is and that's why it doesn't come off. Jon Rahm and Tyrrel Hatton examples of the opposite.
I think it may be who he really is, or has become. I laugh imagining how the conversation went. Rory- C'mon Joe, you read the script, I was supposed to go 5-0-0. Joe-"It's ok Rory, Azinger is going to make up all kinds of great sh_t about you, and afterwards were going to stage a thing in the parking lot that will even make you look greater. Rory-"oh cool, as long as I look great". ...........Sorry guys. sometimes I get bored and need a good laugh
It is amazing how people will look at something at let their feelings dictate what they see! People saying Joe had no right to be on green celebrating in the first place are simply clueless. I can find video of Rory and his caddy, or Spieth and Growler, or half a dozen others doing the same. Anyone ever watch Zack's old caddie walk around flapping his arms like a bird??? NOW, LaVaca was 100% wrong for approaching Rory the second time. At that point he should have realized Rory was just in a bad whiney mood and walked away. But Rory started this, it is totally on him.
The hole wasnt finished - hole wasnt finished...caddies shouldn't be on the green unless they are getting read's for player. It doesn't matter whether he was close to the line or not. Im cool with celebrating and talking shit but Joe got sensitive and was triggered by the euro fans antics - If you know anything about euro's they love a proper wind up. Something us americans cant handle because most are too busy believing everything fox news, gop and trump says for them to do and live by.
Exactly, well said sir. This was all covered on sky sports coverage. They had every angle in real time. And they lined up every american commentator to get their opinion. Everyone was in agreement. Its simply a case of people losing their heads. All caused and brought on themselves by cantlays BS. Whether you agree or not with Cantlay wanting to be paid. The european fans are gonna use against him. Is anyone talking about the psychopath look Cantlay gave Rory right before the altercation.
Media and Rory lying?!Please explain to me logically what LaCava was doing on the green after his player had finished putting and his player’s opponent was yet to putt?He should have been completely off the goddam green!
Mitch - 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to where Rory confronted caddie Joe LaCava. Rory has far too much Ryder Cup experience not to recognize the scene and wait at least one minute before rushing in. Smarter still, was to wait until the stage cleared and then seize the moment and sink your putt without distraction.
laCava is stood in the MIDDLE of the green. Do you see any of the other caddies in the middle of the green? No, they're where they normally stand when it's not their player / teams shot
Thank you BackStreets - what are your thoughts on Rory calling Cantlay a D*ck and LaCava an a*s in the international press this past Monday 11/13? Link to article: www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/38895235/mcilroy-explains-ryder-cup-row-cantlay-caddie
“was in his line” has been repeated over and over again by golf media - it drives the story which is the whole idea - ratings. The sound bite has been modified by certain media personalities to “in his eye line” whatever that might be.
@@ThinkingManShow To me, I’ve seen this many times, punks like Rory acts like he’s going after someone and somebody has to hold him back. In this case, Shane. Rory would never have lasted 5 minutes with the hustlers I play with. They would see his weakness and use it against him. The whole thing was like a skit on SNL!
Our working theory is that Rory used words similar to: "mooove, you're just a caddie". LaCava has confirmed that "moooove" was said. That alone would not account for the immediate hostile reaction Rory got from Joe. Incredible really that Joe could go from celebration to hostile in half second. Joe too could have let the words roll off but he reacted then regained himself in about 11 seconds and walked away.
They didnt say he stepped in his line. Lacava stepped in his way as he was circling the putt reading it. Theres absolutely no doubt about what happened. Its all on camera. Rory asked him to move and he gave him an earful of shit. Almost everyone is in agreement on this on both sides Joey has absolutely no business interfering with a player.
Would love to get your take on the OWGR/LIV developments? Is this the end of a possible merger? If it is what's next? Does LIV cease to exist? Yasir Al-Rumayyan's next move? lots of questions
The only thing Joe LaCava did wrong was apologise to the attention seeking whiner. LIV golf fans like ourselves are sick of Rory being a sanctimonious hypocrite, now he's crying about Tiger's former caddie waving a hat towards the crowd, and as a reaction he's shouting and screaming trying to start fights in a clubhouse car park. In reality he's just mad because he got smoked by Cantlay on the last hole, would very much like to see Cantlay do the same thing to him next year in a major, preferably the Masters 😂
If more people watch this video, the real question would be asked... "what did that quick mouth peckerwood say to the caddie. We all know he is talks before, he thinks!
So glad you pointed this out I saw it the same way. No way is Joe in his way so tired of Rory's Candy ass. Was wondering when someone was going to point this out. It's ok for Euro;s to act this way but if an American celebrates there's a issue. Totally agree mentally weak little puppet boy He will have this issue in all major events and blame anyone but himself. Golf is a great game that exposes the weakness of character a play ha. Fail on RORY.
At the moment it happened my exact thought was Rory had no need to stop and confront Joe. He was pissed at that putt going in and he is a bit entitled at times. Joe also should have just walked away and not kept barking at Rory. Neither man showed great sportsmanship in this incident. But to say Rory is weak mentally is also a dumb thing to say. Clearly you don't like Rory but saying he's weak mentally flies in the face of the evidence of his achievements in golf. Rory shouldn't have instigated this and Joe should've backed off given Rory is an actual competitor and still had a putt to execute. Not a good look for either man. Good analysis of the incident but the rest of the editorial is unfair.
Thx Rick. Appreciate the thoughts. We can’t imagine any scenario in sports where it’s good strategy, strong mental discipline, to allow yourself to be distracted by the other team; who was not even engaging you personally. Rory‘s task was to sink his putt and to do everything he could to prepare to do that. Starting an incident with Joe does not figure into that process in any way. Execution requires total focus.
I feel like there was a conversation of media managers before Friday that began with "how can we concoct a war between the teams so that we build the hype with those potential viewers who are more drawn to the fight than the golf?" Ahh, I've got it, let's contrive a story about a guy not wearing a hat in a money protest and let the rabble do the rest........Rory then gets to act like a little bitch again but the narrative describes him as a hero. It's a real shame because the golf was great on its own, but it got smothered by school girls calling each other nasty names.
It was completely unnecessary and unreasonable for LaCava to behave in this way during live play. Rory made the most of the opportunity, but he genuinely felt it was unacceptable considering the requirements of golf etiquette during putting specifically. It seems Rory was determined to win the Ryder Cup and he achieved it by any means.
GW..........Rory or anyone in that situation should simply let the other team (caddie or player or teammates gathered) have their moment. Just let them have their minute. You stay focused on what you need to do to tie the hole. Then, when Joe LaCava is done; go out and take the stage - make your putt - and put it back in your opponent's face the correct way. Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark): th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
@@ThinkingManShow I understand, but LaCava should have waited until the play (hole) was concluded to gesture to the European fans. Nothing wrong with his protest, but the timing could have been better. It actually played into Rory's hands as he had an excuse to protest himself and to drag it out into the evening. I don't think it helped Team USA, it was a distraction. I expect some USA fans will be hostile in two years at Bethpage, it's just part of the Ryder Cup nowadays!
LaCava was totally out of line.Rory is 100% right and should not be criticized for this incident.LaCava should have been off the green the second Cantlay finished putting.That’s what caddies anywhere caddying for pros or amateurs do.Apparently a lot of opinions negative to Rory are not accustomed to using caddies and have no clue what they are talking about.
This is not video footage. It is a composed video of stills. Joe was not tending the flag. Celebrate away and have a ball but don't proceed closer to the hole. The US team was great with their response and never went nearer the green. Joe screwed up. A nice moment for Team USA and a great finish for Patty Ice but there's no place for that crap on Joe's part.
Keith - these are frames from the copyright protected NBC Sports broadcast video footage. We are permitted to use frames from the video but not the video itself - the frames are more useful for analysis as we would be pausing the video on the same exact frames anyway. The NBC Sports video can be watched here: th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
While I normally agree with you, this seems a very american view, caddies shouldn't be involved in the game and if he wanted to celebrate should have moved away from the action. Rory is a sook, but in this i tend to agree with him
Thx Peter........not our American view but rather our view of how we would handle the situation and coach others to manage it. 23 seconds is the timelapse between Cantlay picking his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. Let Joe have his 1 minute, smile, then go take the stage and make your putt. No reason to react to what the other team is doing.
Rory is weak. Hes always got something to say about another player but he cant be questioned. Its the Ryder Cup. This is not a tour event and shouldnt be treated as such. Not only that but Lacava never interfered with Rory. Not even close.
You guys crack me up. Your tagline should say, “paid for by the PIF.” I guess haters gonna hate. You’re really trying to throw shade on Rory for this incident? Joey, and I love Joey, should have stayed out of the players’ way. Joey shouldn’t have even been that close to Rory in the first place. Now, if Rory did in fact say something to Joey it could’ve been avoided had Joey stayed on the side of the green where he should’ve been.
ha ha...watch video again.....he was not close to Rory. he was on green watching his player putt, when putt went in he started to celebrate........but NEVER moved more than 2- 3 ft.....Rory got close to him....not the other way around.
Fred - we know whatever Rory said put Joe LaCava into hostile mode as Joe's body language showed on the video. We know what Rory said about Phil Mickelson ("arrogant, "naive", "sad") and other LIV players. Therefore, it is logical to believe the words Rory used on Joe were snarky to put it mildly. Even if you believe Tour caddies are just elevator attendants - and they are far from that - but if you wrongly think that, then it is even more important to treat that average person nicely. Joe was celebrating his guy, boss, friend and player Cantlay making a huge putt inside a pressure cooker. Let the guy have his moment for crying out loud. Yeesh. No mental coach would teach Rory to just walk out there into the celebration and start a war of words. That is a lack of focus on making your putt Rory. Bad move all around.
@@ThinkingManShow I’m not on either side, I just think it's unfortunate to spread hate and rumors when we don’t know what actually happened, maybe ur right but what if you’re not? Almost feels like a reality show at this point
Bollocks. LaCava is a caddy and had no right to be anywhere near Rory. Cantlay had sunk his putt. LaCavas next job is to putt cantlays putter in the bag and be ready to walk off the course. LaCava was just there for showmanship. No other USA caddy was out there.
You just confirmed what I said after it happened. Cry baby Rory wanted this RC to be all about him. He had a bad look last time and cried like a baby last RC. He didn’t want anybody to rain on his parade and HIS RC this time. So much so that he didn’t let it go and escalated it at the car park. This is how a spoiled brat would act that is trying to get attention. Not from a mature adult that had just convincingly won the RC and had a great record personally. He instigated this trying to make a mountain out of a molehill so he can be the alpha dog in all of this. If by USA cheering he felt disrespected, then what about the USA team being disrespected up to that point by the fans and euros. What a baby. He will get torched by the NY crowd next RC and get the Montgomery treatment.
Agreed. What Joe and the US Team did was nothing special for a RC environment. Let the other guys have their moment then when calm returns, go sink your putt. Would not have crossed our minds to foment an incident out of this.
In my opinion, both parties share some responsibility for the incident. La cava should have been more respectful and mindful of McIlroy’s position, and McIlroy should have handled the situation more calmly and professionally. However, I also think that the incident shows how passionate and competitive both teams were at the Ryder Cup, and how much pressure and intensity they faced. I hope that they can move on from this and respect each other again. I would have liked to see how Seve would have reacted in this same scenario. Based on his history, he might have reacted in a similar way as McIlroy. Ballesteros was not afraid to confront his opponents or express his emotions when he felt he was wronged or disrespected. For example, in the 1985 Ryder Cup, he accused Paul Azinger and Mark O’Meara of changing their ball on the 18th hole, which led to a heated argument and a near brawl. In the 1989 Ryder Cup, he had another dispute with Azinger over the condition of his ball, which resulted in a war of words and mutual animosity. However, Ballesteros was also a gracious and respectful sportsman who valued the spirit of the game. He often praised his opponents for their skills and achievements, and showed admiration for their courage and character. He also had a sense of humor and a playful side that endeared him to many players and especially the fans. He was able to make friends with some of his former rivals, such as Tom Watson and Jack Nicklaus. He even became close with Azinger after their feud. Azinger said during this Ryder Cup that Seve was one of the first to call him when he was very ill, and they exchanged heartfelt messages before Ballesteros passed away in 2011. Therefore, I think Ballesteros would have done what McIlroy did: stand up for himself and defend his honour, but also try to move on from the incident and respect his opponent as a fellow golfer. As an aside, Seve would have also appreciated the tribute that the fans gave him at the Ryder Cup first tee, where they unfurled a banner with his portrait and the message “always in our hearts”. He would have been proud of his legacy and his influence on European golf. The European Ryder Cup team plays to maintain that legacy and spirit which might account for Rory's behaviour.
I agree that La Cava carried it on a little too long and in my opinion positioned himself too close to Rory in order to get a reaction. This would be more ok if it was Cantlay doing the celebrating.
Why is a caddie in the middle of the green? Look where all the others are in your freeze frames, funnily enough exactly where they should be, on the sidelines. I dislike rocky mcilroy as much as the next man, but your interpretation comes across as a blinkered, whiney joe lacava apologist. I usually enjoy your videos and respect your opinion even when you are totally wrong like in the bk selection.
DP - after 17 holes of fans hat waving Cantlay, the correct thing for Rory or any player in that situation was to wait another 60 seconds and then take center stage to make your putt and steal back the moment.
I usually like the Thinking...however. this vid. I can't agree with. The CADDIE walks towards Rory while he's pacing the putt after a great USA hole out. It's Golf and a basic etiquette exists between players - so CADDIES get out the way....Rory lost it, however it was the Caddies fault - end of. So no I don't agree Rory is fragile, just a Golfer that thinks the caddie put him off and it upset him.
Thx Fuse - Rory reacted when he shouldn’t have. 23 seconds is the timelapse between Cantlay picking his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. Weak mentally is our point. He didn’t need to be bothered in the least by LaCava’s hat waiving. Just wait 60 seconds, stay focused on making your putt to tie, then go make your putt. Focus on the task.
I guess my point is that Joe's actions clearly interrupted Rory's process of assessing the CRUCIAL putt. That's gamesmanship and not part of Golf etiquette. The time lapse is not relevant - Joe is a caddie not a player. He was putting Rory off at a crucial point in the match, Joe succeeded. Mentally weak is a bit harsh, we all know the special ingredients that make winners both drive and passion are some of them. Agree to disagree on this one.@@ThinkingManShow
Thx Fuse - we don’t believe Joe was trying in any way to game Rory. That is not his style at all. He was simply celebrating a big moment. We need to know what Rory said to Joe on the green and no one is coming clean on that. It was not a “polite” please move as Luke Donald said to the press. Joe’s reaction tells us that. LaCava is a big time caddie and not easily provoked. Good story here on LaCava giving Tiger advice at the Genesis in Feb 2023. Says a lot about LaCava’s standing in pro golf: golfweek.usatoday.com/2023/02/18/genesis-invitational-2023-tiger-woods-message-joe-lacava-text/
Ryder Cup fever pitch maybe he lost it. Ironic quote from the Tiger article you sent me - When congratulated on good Tiger round, “Just getting out of the way,” LaCava said. “That’s what I do best.” Anyway look forward to your next video - all good stuff. @@ThinkingManShow
@@ThinkingManShowyou paused frames. Watch Lacava. Rory stopped him from walking further.. you did not show that. Also you clip started when Lacava was 6-8 on the green. He was off the green when he took his hat off. Should not have been anywhere near the middle of the green.
Your edit fools nobody , Joe did not start waving when you say . Joe restarted waving his cap and walked back downwards . There is another complete video and you will see what you tried to hide .
There are no edits here. The broadcast video is copyright protected by NBC Sports as you would expect so we can’t use it - instead we use direct frame captures. Please do watch the NBC video - see link in other comments. The broadcast video is clear: timelapse is 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. The entire timelapse is 40 seconds from Cantlay picking out his ball to LaCava walking away from Rory. 40 seconds. Rory rushed into a Ryder Cup celebration - yeesh. Give the Americans 60 seconds to finish and the stage to clear. Then go focus on making your putt - not policing the other team. In no reality is Rory’s choice of action the proper strategy for making his putt. He did however succeed in creating an incident out of nothing and set himself up for trouble 24 months from now at Bethpage New York.
So the player should stop to allow a caddie to celebrate a match that hasn't finished yet? Caddies aren't there to get under anyone's skin BTW. You lost, get over it.
So much for "thinking". Nobody said a fucking word about LaCava physically stepping on Rory's line. What clearly happened is he was politely asked to step aside so Rory AND Fitzpatrick go about the process of lining up their birdie putts, either of which if made would tie the hole. LaCava showed his ass to the max, as every video I have looked at clearly prove. The entire incident was an almost exact clone of the shameful USA celebration on the 17th hole at Brookline when Leonard luck-bagged a long birdie putt and the entire US team (including some wives) stampeded on to the green in celebration ... despite Olazabal still having a birdie putt to tie the hole. The Brookline incident is the single worst sportsmanship breach in the history of not just golf, but in the history of all sports. Although much smaller in number of USA idiots involved, the "LaCava" celebratory assholery after Cantley's birdie putt was just as disrespectful and should have been followed by an immediate apology from Reverend Zach. Whatever the case, the Brookline incident (plus memories of Seve calling out Azinger for flagrant cheating) at Kiawah has provided all the inspiration needed since 1999 for the Euros to kick USA's ass on a regular basis. And just when the Euro squad was aging out to the point where the Brookline incident might have been receding from their memories, I am certain that for the next 20 years LaCava's imbecility will provide a new wave of Euro players with justified anger to restore the Brookline momentum. (I am certain that this video from you is click-bait. If not, WTF is all I can say. Thinking men, indeed.)
Actually he said - mooove! He was in his walking line as he was circling. Thanks for the character assassination however. How many majors have you won btw?
Cix - What’s a “walking line” in golf? No one’s character is being assassinated here. Letting your opponent throw you off your focus is poor strategy and a sign of weakness in one’s mental game. Policing the other team is not Rory’s job. The broadcast video is clear: timelapse is 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. The entire timelapse is 40 seconds from Cantlay picking out his ball to LaCava walking away from Rory. 40 seconds.
Why should he stop walking - he is not weak for telling him to move - this is golf not hockey. You are attempting to undermine him - you are the weak one. I have never heard such sanctimonious claptrap - rewatch your video. I mean really. ‘Weak mentally weak’ - ‘not a strong sense of self?’ - who are you?
This is a totally biast video, ridden with suggestive animosity. I watched this Live, actions taken could be looked on as quite obvious, amid the disrespectful, foul-mouthed, sore-loser attitude that rapidly started oozing from the USA. Apart from said Caddy, how many Americans are still celebrating? Good shot yes, but it's done. Rory to putt. Quiet on the Green. Who's still waving his cap!? Slowly hovering, conveniently into what he knows is Rory's path. Far too near Rory's ball. A Professional Caddy should show respect to the sport. Ryder Cup ffs?! You have to bite the bullet when the Boot is on the other Foot
Dean.............Rory should be thinking about one thing - his putt. Not what the other guy's caddie is doing. Wait 60 seconds, then go into prep mode fully focused. Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup: th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
Rory's task is to sink his putt. Not police the other team. We can disagree Dean on the celebration - clearly we think it was fine for the Ryder Cup environment - but no one should argue that Rory put himself in the best position to make his putt. No way Tiger or Jack rushes into the scene to putt. The entire time lapse from Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to Rory stopping to say something to LaCava is 23 seconds. Time lapse of the whole incident start to finish (Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to LaCava walking away from Rory: 40 seconds) Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark): th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
Rory making this an issue is a perfect example of why he has never lived up to his full potential. Tiger or Jack could have had him doing jumping jacks on their line and they wouldn't have lost focus.
Play the video. Lacava was 6-8 ft further off the green. He then walked onto the middle of the green. Has nothing to do with the line. You do not walk onto the middle of the green period…..you are biased my friend. Cantley was not doing this… no one has ever done what Lacava did. You are trying to single out Rory… if you did that to Seve, Faldo, Lyle, Montgomerie, Lyle, Rose. They would all have a problem with it.. stop the Monday morning quarterbacking….. I would have been pissed if Lacava walked towards the middle of the green. If Rory had not stopped him how far would he have kept walking….
Yes Joe turned into the green a bit to his left. Then he was standing still Paul clearly looking, waving out at the crowd who had been riding his guy all day. Rory had to take two steps toward LaCava to say whatever he said. Should have been a nothing moment for Rory. Just wait while the Americans did there thing. Good theatre and set the stage perfectly for Rory to go sink his putt. But Rory instead chose to feel slighted by the guy who was neither looking nor talking to him.
Lots of caddies have done this including Rorys' Remember Zack caddie used to walk around the green flapping his arms like a bird when Zack eagled...Even did it at The Open on 18. Funny how some people only remember what they chose to.........Celbrating is and has always been a part of the Ryder Cup
As usual your take is wrong. Not thinking is what you guys do. Lacava was 100% in the wrong. He kept talking smack. He is a caddie. He was way over the top.
Typical American commentator....the yank must be in the right....not! Lacava should have been nowhere in the vicinity....he is a caddy for Christ's sake!
He did not walk in his line. Conley and Lcava were almost off the green and Lacava then decided to walk towards Rosie’s Ball and line. Rory intercepted him and basically ask him to stop……. So tv people said his line. Lacava had no business being where he was….
No, the play as far as Canley was concerned was over. You do not purposely go out of your way as a Caddie to walk into the middle of the green to celebrate..@@PaulCross-d4p
Im usually impressed with your takes on the golfing scene here but Joe La Cava for all his experience should not have behaved the way he did on the green until the hole was completed .Not so sure on your references to how other players may have reacted in a similar situation .It would never have happened to Jack as that behaviour did not happen back then .Joe was out of line and pointing the finger at Rory does not excuse or mitigate that .Not sure what Rory said to him and it may have been provocative but Joe should not have been on the green gesticulating while the European players were lining up their putts .Thats fair comment surely .I wouldnt have condoned it if it was a European caddy .Its over now .
imagine if this is PReed, Bryson or Cantlay that reacted this was to Rory’s caddy celebrating… I bet the framing of this would be a little different in the corrupt media
So Lacava was a player ? His player had finished for the day but he’s still there in the middle of the green, on his own with no players or other caddies around him, waving his hat. He’s just the hired help and ,no matter how enthusiastic, should learn his place.
This commentator,whoever he is,is talking bullshit.After Cantlay sunk his putt LaCava should have taken one fist pump and got off the green so that the next man,Rory in this instance,could prepare for his putt.LaCava should have got off the green.What the hell was he doing there after his player had putt out.Was he a player?Hell no!LaCava was 100% wrong and so is anybody who even slightly supports his actions.
Agreed 100%.
Exactly !@@mitchie525
You are right just what i felt when i first saw this I felt Rory went to LaCava
The full zapruder film treatment here.
I never saw this live, so when I heard about all the controversy I tried to find video of LaCava walking in McIlroy 's line and it didn't exist. Well done "Thinking Man".
no he didnt walk on in his line but he was encroaching on his intended proximity of play lacava should not have been so close the mcilroy
So now the narrative is changing to "encroachment" ? All Rory had to do was let the celebration/emotion ease up and everything would have taken care of itself. BTW I was rooting for the Europeans.@@peterwallis5827
McIIroy has, not only with this, but with the whole LIV thing to be a hug f*cking punk.
And a hypocrite
Regardless if someone likes Rory or not, this is not how a caddy has to behave on a golf course. Full Stop.
Ryder Cup is a different game. I trust a caddie of his tenure to know much better than you on what’s appropriate bud.
@@jordybeans2392 Of course it's different, but have a look at all other caddies this day, they were fair and with the attitude of sportsmanship - e.g. the caddies of Max Homa, Scotty Scheffler, Burns, etc. They knew exactly how to "behave" even it was a Ryder Cup....cheers
Rory said: “I hate LIV …I hate them” - several months ago. He’s an immature punk!
I bow to your superior knowledge of punks you surely are a world expert 🤡😜🥺🤣
Player has right of way & caddy needs to get the f*ck off the green!
McIlroy is just a rich PGA brat with no Majors for over a decade😅😅😅
Lol. I was there and LaCava was very much in the wrong. So take your attempt at a rearguard action and stick it.
Tony - you were there so you know: 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to where Rory confronted caddie Joe LaCava. Rory has far too much Ryder Cup experience not to recognize the scene and wait at least one minute before rushing in. Smarter still, was to wait until the stage cleared and then seize the moment and sink your putt without distraction.
Lacav had no need to walk back onto the green……..he should have been beside Carley not walking onto the green.
That's not what happened. Here is the video. Start at the 26 second mark:
Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark):
th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
NOPE. at 37 s rRoray is Behind the ball starting to walk out his put. LaCava is right beside Canley then decided to take of his hat and walk towards Rorrys ball/ Middle of green. Rorry should be able to have clear line of shot and pre shot minnimal movement from evryone on the green as every good golfer/caddie does. What is Rorry supposed to do ?? Start all his routine all over again because LaCava dicides to grand stand.... you are wrong.
@@ThinkingManShow
Joe did not walk back on green, he never left it......please open your eyes when you watch......keep your fellings out of it. Rory was walking in a line towards his ball, stopped, turned to his right and approached Joe. THAT IS WHAT THE VIDEO SHOWS....ha ha ha n@@paullangan193
Rory whining like a little school girl AGAIN. . .because LaCava was celebrating (but apparently Caddies can’t celebrate, or be on the green as they’re just machines that carry bags and read yardages). . .telling how Rory was scared as he knew wasn’t going to make a putt on top of Cantlay to tie. . .surprise surprise. Now that’s a disgrace. 😂
it's only child syndrome
Likely that plays a role. He’s a pleaser and tries to do what he thinks people want him to do without having his own internal compass.
Peter Allis said the same of fellow anti-LIV Nick Faldo.
Who is saying JL stepped in Rory's line? I heard that Rory said JL was in his sight line. JL for sure in the wrong here when he went back at Rory.
Joey was wrong
Be a caddie
Off the green when your man finished
I'm not a Rory fan by any means...but he is right in this situation. Caddies should never be part of the action during a round of golf...gesturing, waving, being in the center of the green after his player is done...a completely amateur and inappropriate move by Joe L. The US players lost the cup...but this incident and its consequences will for him for the rest of his career...
Totally agree. Not a fan of Rory but there were two players still to play. The celebration went on way too long. It is not for Rory to wait for the celebration to finish. He should be allowed to putt out. LaCava should've got back out of the way and not be walking around the middle of the green. The US Team and LaCava showed no respect for the other players. Let everyone putt out, then celebrate. The US Team have history with this at Brookline.
respectfully, your opinion lacks any context or wisdom. try again.
@@billmoyer3254 So you think dancing around in the middle of the green whilst your opponent is preparing to putt is fine? He should’ve been back with his player on the edge of the green.
Yes, listening to the hat waving, jeering louts sing Ole' Ole' forever is the proper way to go about it. @@chrislewis7
Good analysis. I've been thinking the same since seeing the video. McIlroy could've / should've just waited a minute to let the celebration die down then none of this would've happened. He may be a bit of a princess but mostly I think the stress / pressure of the moment got to him and he started to hurry to prepare for his putt. Because he's the tour's / media's chosen one most of the narrative has been blaming Lacava but I agree with you, this one is on RM.
And he’s not a good putter so that’s in his head as well. Why react at all? Let the other side have their moment. Simple.
Maybe he is just a very bad loser
correct, up untill Rory spoke to him. At that point Lavaca should hve walked away and not approached Rory...on that count he is 100% wrong...whether Rory started it or not. This comes from an ex tour caddie
@@shadowjohns LaCava lingered too long. But Rory said something, most likely “get off the green you’re just a caddy”. LaCava probably snapped at being disrespected. LaCava has caddied for Freddie and Tiger. Probably told Rory to piss off. What did he have to lose at that point?
rory took on the roll as leader/spokesperson on the PGA tour he seemed like the ryder cup was his to lead as well after the PGA tour hung him out to dry it seemed he had some feelings that he needed letting out, i think the american caddie's were an easy target
Such an interesting point! Not sure why he feels the responsibility to speak for the PGA players. I enjoy him alot more when he displays his huge talent ON the course. Joe L was totally out of line...but Rory's response was pretty intense
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@@JimB16Rory’s reaction was 10000x what was warranted… no other player would have this ridiculous reaction rationalized like this…
@jackiejay4556 no. You’re excusing bad behavior bc it’s Rory. If Patrick Reed did the same thing you’d just call him a sore loser for that match and move on
@jackiejay4556 Because...almost single handedly Rory created a huge rift among the world's best golfers...totally disrespecting anyone who didn't march in step with the PGA tour. I want to see the best players in the world play as often as possible and he has taken it upon himself to try and minimize these opportunities. He is a fantastic golfer...I just want him to stay with the talent and not speak for the whole group of professionals.
Rory got shocked when Patrick made his putt, he thought he would go undefeated and he said something to Lacava that got under Joe's skin. Remember Rory cries when he loses 😢. I haven't heard any media wanting to here Lacava's side about what Rory said to him, Rory just got his FEELINGS hurt and Lacava, a caddy, was disrespected and was supposed to bow down. Good for you Joe
Rory said something like " your a caddy, so get out of the way" ..some thing that a players should never say....can u imagine Jack even thinking about putting down a caddy?
@user-yj5os4uw2n no one is sure what Rory said. But it's clear from the video it infuriated LaCava.
Are you calling rory a little bitch😂
Spot on analysis here, as Rory looks to prop himself up by diminishing others. He's done this many times in the past. He's a petulant tool unless he's in the spotlight.
Thx Bill...........the broadcast video even shows Rory walking around the hole while Cantlay is still picking the ball out of the cup. The entire time lapse from Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to Rory stopping to say something to LaCava is 23 seconds. Time lapse of the whole incident start to finish (Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to LaCava walking away from Rory: 40 seconds)
Bob Rotella was having cardiac arrest watching Rory's actions. We can hear Rotella yelling at the screen saying "wait, wait, take your time Rory. Focus on your task and don't see or hear anything else". Rory did the opposite.
April 4th 2023
www.golfmonthly.com/news/mcilroy-to-work-with-mental-game-guru-bob-rotella-ahead-of-grand-slam-attempt
Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark):
th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
I disagree with the analysis. I'm absolutely no fan of McElroy but LaCava was walking in the wrong direction ie. towards McIlroy when he should have been backing off, not getting in McIlroy's eyeline and almost looking to provoke McIlroy with the hat waving.
In such a critical moment of the match LaCava should have been backing off.
Point 1 - Rory should have waited for the moment to run it’s course. He didn’t wait at all. Point 2 - Joe was standing still waving at the crowd as Rory walked in front of him, stopped, turned to Joe and starting talking. The video is clear.
Why should Rory have to wait ? He just seems to be stalking his putt.
Judging by the movement of LaCava's feet he's obviously moving in the direction that Rory is walking ie towards Rory, when there was no need.
I feel that LaCava can celebrate all he wants, just stand still and give McIlroy space. @@ThinkingManShow
@@ianwright1632exactly, celebrate at the edge of the green, don't walk in the middle of the green. The match wasn't over, be respectful.
@@ThinkingManShowalways appreciate the insight. I saw the whole thing and thought what he never stepped in his line. LaCava was salty cause they were yelling at Cantlay all day. He had an emotional reaction. I actually like Rory but was weak here. And you nailed it. His mental game is weak. Hence no majors in 10 years. At the Open against Cam, one clutch shot or putt and he wins. Thanks as always!
Point lacava was standing too close in general and not being very aware of his surroundings. He is the only one standing that close. And as he was waving his hat he could’ve been walking away or around to excite the crowd not stand in one spot 🤔 definitely not innocent and Rory always sitting on a pedestal 🙄
I get you hate Mcllroy but this is a really odd take.
The celebration from the other three Americans involved in this match were over and had stood off to the back of the green. La Cava continued celebrating when everyone else had stopped and wandered into traffic. No doubt he was told to eff off. Rorys reaction was extremely predictable, over the top and childish.
All La Cava had to do was quickly apologize and its over but instead he ran his mouth......caddie to player. An outrageous overstep by a caddie. No wonder he got the reaction he got.
In reality if he had followed the lead set by Cantlay who behaved in an impeccable manner in a horrible situation, not of his own making, this would not have happened.
The ugly American stereotype boosted yet again
Grow up.
@@coobay4786respect the game and it’s traditions!
@basstib.9343 yes it should only be played by the well mannered wealthy elite. And those boorish peasant caddies should be seen not heard, after all they're the dregs of society only there to cater to every demand and to be abused by the wealthy elite players as they wish. You've got to love the traditions of golf, right.
I have said this several times, "What did Rory say???" The caddy was red faced pissed, there is an angle that shows his face and he was furious. Lining up the ball was BS!!!! Now I do think the girls should kiss and make up, but Rory is in for a fast New York minute when he gets to Beth the Bish golf course. It will almost be embarrassing how much abuse he is in for.
@jackiejay4556He hasnt made a putt that matters in 10 years
@jackiejay4556 Been watching golf for 25 years cupcake. Rory hasn’t won a major in 10 years, and has been an insolent child. Also, no, the Ryder cup is not the standard. If it was Sergio would be the greatest golfer of all time.
Lacava was wrong end of
At least when first reported it had nothing to do with LaCava walking on Rory's line. Impossible to prove if this was intentional by LaCava. None of us other than LaCava himself knows whether he was intentionally trying to wind Rory up.
Rory is a little person !
It reeks of Team Europe looking for an emotional edge as they lost their momentum from Friday. The reports are they "stormed" off into a room and held a team meeting to vent.
Stormed off, vent, and then win the Ryder cup the next day
We all know that if Koepka was in his way Rory would have hidden behind his own caddy! 😮
Earth to Rory: you'll be seeing these guy back home. Hang on to that green card.
Rory isn’t comfortable in his skin… hasn’t been the same since the broken engagement, Markel fling and big Nike contract… He sold out and let everything possible get in the way of his potential to be great
why should Rory have waited for a caddy to finish his celebrations in the middle of the green by the hole, when all the american players were already off the green? if the story is about the caddy, then he is by definition in the wrong.
I would not call him weak. Rory is actually extremely strong mentally compared to most people but agree that compared to the names you mentioned, he’s not even close, at least not for years now. If he was he would have so many more majors.
But also Rory is a drama QUEEN, he cannot help himself, which creates huge distractions for himself.
Also big smarts come into question yet again. Logically there was almost nothing to gain from that drama and a lot to lose.
You really can make a case without that incident the Us team does not have the resolve to make it close for a while there on Sunday.
Rory made 'the caddy' call...which should be very embarrassing to him....that is why the US golf media is covering up what he said
Whatever Rory said really set off LaCava. We assume it was meant to demean Joe (you’re just a caddie) which is part of Rory’s character - he puts people down to try and elevate himself. “naive, ignorant, sad” Phil Mickelson who was dead right about PGAT keeping money away from the players - and made / is making Rory millions upon millions by helping launch LIV.
Yes Oahu, Rory is weak. Rare physical talent but he was not blessed with a sense of self. He could largely fix that if he knew to look.
@@ThinkingManShow That is what the US golf media are covering up...Rory talking down to a caddy....poor form....can you even imagine Jack or Arnie doing such a thing? No...
I think Rory just said to get out of the way that he was standing too close. And Joe told him to chill out.
That’s for the most part what happened on the green.
Then Rory thought he had not created enough drama so he acted in that rage quite a while after the incident.
I don’t know what Rory is but I do know he should listen to Joe and chill out.
Great perspective, I think Rors got a pass for being him, but shouldn’t have!
Seve would have, based upon everything I’ve heard about him.
Seve could dish it big time and he could take it. The right combination. Seve would have waited for the scene to play out another 60 seconds and then taken the stage for himself to drain his own putt and steal back the moment.
Seve used to cough during his opponent's swing!! Even faked choking while eating a fruitcake lmao, google that and enjoy going down that rabbit hole 😅
@@SiLoMixMaster He used to rattle change in his pocket until Ray Floyd went up to him and said, that stops now.
Seve was famous for picking fights with US players...it made him play better
He should been off the green standing next to other caddies ...no businees celebrating in middle of green when others still playing
This is a really interesting analysis of the situation B Team. Pre-LIV I was a real Rory fan and wanted him to win more majors and propel his stature within the game to even greater heights. However post LIV I feel completely different. He has gone out of his way to be petty and bad mouth anything to do with LIV. He has also flip flopped his position on LIV several times. Now I hope he never wins another major. In this scenario however I am sure Rory was shattered when Cantlay holed the putt - Lets be honest give him 10 more goes - he would probably not hole it again. We all get pissed when someone does that to us in a competition. Then to see La Cava carrying on like he made the putt - in a split second I'm sure Rory just snapped. That said, he should act with more maturity. I'm sure Rory would not have felt the same when Fitzpatrick just got on a roll and seemed to hole everything (against the odds) - Rory definitely saw the funny side to that. I think Rory has definitely demonstrated a complete lack of maturity over the last 18 months and I do think he has alienated many people. I also now think Rory over estimates his importance in the game of golf. There are times now when I think he sees himself as the Oracle of golf today and everyone should agree with his every pronouncement. He thinks he should win everything because - "well I'm Rory McIlroy and I'm a better player than you - so you shouldn't be allowed to beat me". I agree with you B Team - I think he has major insecurities and an inferiority complex. But again my view may be a little biased as I am now very much an anti Rory guy.
Thx John.........Rory's life and career to date has much, much evidence that he doesn't really know who he is. He thinks he knows who he's supposed to be; and that gets him into trouble. The kind of trouble that prevents one reaching their potential. "I'm supposed to be the passionate leader of Team Euro, so I'll go tell Joe LaCava off. Then I'll make an embarrassing scene in the parking lot which will really show my passion." It's not who he really is and that's why it doesn't come off. Jon Rahm and Tyrrel Hatton examples of the opposite.
I think it may be who he really is, or has become. I laugh imagining how the conversation went. Rory- C'mon Joe, you read the script, I was supposed to go 5-0-0. Joe-"It's ok Rory, Azinger is going to make up all kinds of great sh_t about you, and afterwards were going to stage a thing in the parking lot that will even make you look greater. Rory-"oh cool, as long as I look great". ...........Sorry guys. sometimes I get bored and need a good laugh
you must be so proud. I don't hate Rory, just find it very strange some of the things he says and does. @jackiejay4556
Yes you are anti-Rory and are also comfortable with talking a lot of illogical nonsensical bullshit!Get a life.
It is amazing how people will look at something at let their feelings dictate what they see! People saying Joe had no right to be on green celebrating in the first place are simply clueless. I can find video of Rory and his caddy, or Spieth and Growler, or half a dozen others doing the same. Anyone ever watch Zack's old caddie walk around flapping his arms like a bird??? NOW, LaVaca was 100% wrong for approaching Rory the second time. At that point he should have realized Rory was just in a bad whiney mood and walked away. But Rory started this, it is totally on him.
Love it, couldn't agree more
The hole wasnt finished - hole wasnt finished...caddies shouldn't be on the green unless they are getting read's for player. It doesn't matter whether he was close to the line or not. Im cool with celebrating and talking shit but Joe got sensitive and was triggered by the euro fans antics - If you know anything about euro's they love a proper wind up. Something us americans cant handle because most are too busy believing everything fox news, gop and trump says for them to do and live by.
Exactly, well said sir. This was all covered on sky sports coverage. They had every angle in real time. And they lined up every american commentator to get their opinion. Everyone was in agreement. Its simply a case of people losing their heads. All caused and brought on themselves by cantlays BS.
Whether you agree or not with Cantlay wanting to be paid. The european fans are gonna use against him.
Is anyone talking about the psychopath look Cantlay gave Rory right before the altercation.
Correct up to the moronic mention of Trump et al, tds is strong with you
Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole, Ole 🎉🎉
Media and Rory lying?!Please explain to me logically what LaCava was doing on the green after his player had finished putting and his player’s opponent was yet to putt?He should have been completely off the goddam green!
Mitch - 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to where Rory confronted caddie Joe LaCava. Rory has far too much Ryder Cup experience not to recognize the scene and wait at least one minute before rushing in. Smarter still, was to wait until the stage cleared and then seize the moment and sink your putt without distraction.
I am so glad you did this video. Very clear. Rory is a loudmouth and should close his trap.
laCava is stood in the MIDDLE of the green. Do you see any of the other caddies in the middle of the green? No, they're where they normally stand when it's not their player / teams shot
Thank you BackStreets - what are your thoughts on Rory calling Cantlay a D*ck and LaCava an a*s in the international press this past Monday 11/13?
Link to article: www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/38895235/mcilroy-explains-ryder-cup-row-cantlay-caddie
Repudiating an allegation that was never made.
“was in his line” has been repeated over and over again by golf media - it drives the story which is the whole idea - ratings. The sound bite has been modified by certain media personalities to “in his eye line” whatever that might be.
Thank you a million! What about Rory and Bones at the valet!?
Love Bones reaction - he was perfectly unaffected which is what a pro in any business would be doing and thinking: “what’s wrong with that guy?”
@@ThinkingManShow To me, I’ve seen this many times, punks like Rory acts like he’s going after someone and somebody has to hold him back. In this case, Shane. Rory would never have lasted 5 minutes with the hustlers I play with. They would see his weakness and use it against him. The whole thing was like a skit on SNL!
I think Rory said something about how dare a 'caddy' make any noise....that is what the US golf media are covering up......Rory is a child
Our working theory is that Rory used words similar to: "mooove, you're just a caddie". LaCava has confirmed that "moooove" was said. That alone would not account for the immediate hostile reaction Rory got from Joe. Incredible really that Joe could go from celebration to hostile in half second. Joe too could have let the words roll off but he reacted then regained himself in about 11 seconds and walked away.
They didnt say he stepped in his line.
Lacava stepped in his way as he was circling the putt reading it.
Theres absolutely no doubt about what happened. Its all on camera. Rory asked him to move and he gave him an earful of shit.
Almost everyone is in agreement on this on both sides Joey has absolutely no business interfering with a player.
Would love to get your take on the OWGR/LIV developments?
Is this the end of a possible merger? If it is what's next? Does LIV cease to exist? Yasir Al-Rumayyan's next move?
lots of questions
Agreed MyC - we need a show on this OWGR news. We’re on it.
Spot on.
The only thing Joe LaCava did wrong was apologise to the attention seeking whiner. LIV golf fans like ourselves are sick of Rory being a sanctimonious hypocrite, now he's crying about Tiger's former caddie waving a hat towards the crowd, and as a reaction he's shouting and screaming trying to start fights in a clubhouse car park. In reality he's just mad because he got smoked by Cantlay on the last hole, would very much like to see Cantlay do the same thing to him next year in a major, preferably the Masters 😂
Accurate read of the facts.
Well said....in time Joe will tell the truth of what was said
If more people watch this video, the real question would be asked... "what did that quick mouth peckerwood say to the caddie. We all know he is talks before, he thinks!
So glad you pointed this out I saw it the same way. No way is Joe in his way so tired of Rory's Candy ass. Was wondering when someone was going to point this out. It's ok for Euro;s to act this way but if an American celebrates there's a issue. Totally agree mentally weak little puppet boy He will have this issue in all major events and blame anyone but himself. Golf is a great game that exposes the weakness of character a play ha. Fail on RORY.
So weak he resorted to cheating at the US Open with his fake embedded ball… let’s not forget
Rory a liar?! Never! 😂
I had with the white team shirts making it really difficult to tell the teams apart. Stop that.
True Jimmer. The white v white was not good.
At the moment it happened my exact thought was Rory had no need to stop and confront Joe. He was pissed at that putt going in and he is a bit entitled at times. Joe also should have just walked away and not kept barking at Rory. Neither man showed great sportsmanship in this incident. But to say Rory is weak mentally is also a dumb thing to say. Clearly you don't like Rory but saying he's weak mentally flies in the face of the evidence of his achievements in golf. Rory shouldn't have instigated this and Joe should've backed off given Rory is an actual competitor and still had a putt to execute. Not a good look for either man. Good analysis of the incident but the rest of the editorial is unfair.
Thx Rick. Appreciate the thoughts. We can’t imagine any scenario in sports where it’s good strategy, strong mental discipline, to allow yourself to be distracted by the other team; who was not even engaging you personally. Rory‘s task was to sink his putt and to do everything he could to prepare to do that. Starting an incident with Joe does not figure into that process in any way. Execution requires total focus.
Another pga fanboy. Joe get off the green. Your a caddy.
Sooner or later Rory is gonna get his 5'-3" 136 lb. boy band ass kicked.
I feel like there was a conversation of media managers before Friday that began with "how can we concoct a war between the teams so that we build the hype with those potential viewers who are more drawn to the fight than the golf?" Ahh, I've got it, let's contrive a story about a guy not wearing a hat in a money protest and let the rabble do the rest........Rory then gets to act like a little bitch again but the narrative describes him as a hero.
It's a real shame because the golf was great on its own, but it got smothered by school girls calling each other nasty names.
Outstanding
Rory has had a dummy spit he’s in the wrong and should apologise in public
It was completely unnecessary and unreasonable for LaCava to behave in this way during live play. Rory made the most of the opportunity, but he genuinely felt it was unacceptable considering the requirements of golf etiquette during putting specifically. It seems Rory was determined to win the Ryder Cup and he achieved it by any means.
GW..........Rory or anyone in that situation should simply let the other team (caddie or player or teammates gathered) have their moment. Just let them have their minute. You stay focused on what you need to do to tie the hole. Then, when Joe LaCava is done; go out and take the stage - make your putt - and put it back in your opponent's face the correct way.
Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark):
th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
@@ThinkingManShow I understand, but LaCava should have waited until the play (hole) was concluded to gesture to the European fans. Nothing wrong with his protest, but the timing could have been better. It actually played into Rory's hands as he had an excuse to protest himself and to drag it out into the evening. I don't think it helped Team USA, it was a distraction. I expect some USA fans will be hostile in two years at Bethpage, it's just part of the Ryder Cup nowadays!
LaCava was totally out of line.Rory is 100% right and should not be criticized for this incident.LaCava should have been off the green the second Cantlay finished putting.That’s what caddies anywhere caddying for pros or amateurs do.Apparently a lot of opinions negative to Rory are not accustomed to using caddies and have no clue what they are talking about.
This is not video footage. It is a composed video of stills. Joe was not tending the flag. Celebrate away and have a ball but don't proceed closer to the hole. The US team was great with their response and never went nearer the green. Joe screwed up. A nice moment for Team USA and a great finish for Patty Ice but there's no place for that crap on Joe's part.
Keith - these are frames from the copyright protected NBC Sports broadcast video footage. We are permitted to use frames from the video but not the video itself - the frames are more useful for analysis as we would be pausing the video on the same exact frames anyway. The NBC Sports video can be watched here: th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
While I normally agree with you, this seems a very american view, caddies shouldn't be involved in the game and if he wanted to celebrate should have moved away from the action. Rory is a sook, but in this i tend to agree with him
Thx Peter........not our American view but rather our view of how we would handle the situation and coach others to manage it. 23 seconds is the timelapse between Cantlay picking his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. Let Joe have his 1 minute, smile, then go take the stage and make your putt. No reason to react to what the other team is doing.
@@ThinkingManShow fair enough, enjoy your posts keep on with the thought provoking media
Rory is weak. Hes always got something to say about another player but he cant be questioned. Its the Ryder Cup. This is not a tour event and shouldnt be treated as such. Not only that but Lacava never interfered with Rory. Not even close.
You guys crack me up. Your tagline should say, “paid for by the PIF.” I guess haters gonna hate. You’re really trying to throw shade on Rory for this incident? Joey, and I love Joey, should have stayed out of the players’ way. Joey shouldn’t have even been that close to Rory in the first place. Now, if Rory did in fact say something to Joey it could’ve been avoided had Joey stayed on the side of the green where he should’ve been.
ha ha...watch video again.....he was not close to Rory. he was on green watching his player putt, when putt went in he started to celebrate........but NEVER moved more than 2- 3 ft.....Rory got close to him....not the other way around.
ShadowJohns.........true, that's what the video shows.
You talk as much bloney as anybody else, claiming Rory said something very terrible, we don’t know what he said
Fred - we know whatever Rory said put Joe LaCava into hostile mode as Joe's body language showed on the video. We know what Rory said about Phil Mickelson ("arrogant, "naive", "sad") and other LIV players. Therefore, it is logical to believe the words Rory used on Joe were snarky to put it mildly. Even if you believe Tour caddies are just elevator attendants - and they are far from that - but if you wrongly think that, then it is even more important to treat that average person nicely. Joe was celebrating his guy, boss, friend and player Cantlay making a huge putt inside a pressure cooker. Let the guy have his moment for crying out loud. Yeesh. No mental coach would teach Rory to just walk out there into the celebration and start a war of words. That is a lack of focus on making your putt Rory. Bad move all around.
@@ThinkingManShow I’m not on either side, I just think it's unfortunate to spread hate and rumors when we don’t know what actually happened, maybe ur right but what if you’re not? Almost feels like a reality show at this point
Bollocks. LaCava is a caddy and had no right to be anywhere near Rory. Cantlay had sunk his putt. LaCavas next job is to putt cantlays putter in the bag and be ready to walk off the course. LaCava was just there for showmanship. No other USA caddy was out there.
You just confirmed what I said after it happened. Cry baby Rory wanted this RC to be all about him. He had a bad look last time and cried like a baby last RC. He didn’t want anybody to rain on his parade and HIS RC this time. So much so that he didn’t let it go and escalated it at the car park. This is how a spoiled brat would act that is trying to get attention. Not from a mature adult that had just convincingly won the RC and had a great record personally. He instigated this trying to make a mountain out of a molehill so he can be the alpha dog in all of this. If by USA cheering he felt disrespected, then what about the USA team being disrespected up to that point by the fans and euros. What a baby. He will get torched by the NY crowd next RC and get the Montgomery treatment.
Agreed. What Joe and the US Team did was nothing special for a RC environment. Let the other guys have their moment then when calm returns, go sink your putt.
Would not have crossed our minds to foment an incident out of this.
He should NOT be on the PGAT board, with that attitude
How clever from Rory, just shows how dumb the Americans are to react to it
Rory is as clever as his one size too small Nike shirts.
In my opinion, both parties share some responsibility for the incident. La cava should have been more respectful and mindful of McIlroy’s position, and McIlroy should have handled the situation more calmly and professionally. However, I also think that the incident shows how passionate and competitive both teams were at the Ryder Cup, and how much pressure and intensity they faced. I hope that they can move on from this and respect each other again.
I would have liked to see how Seve would have reacted in this same scenario. Based on his history, he might have reacted in a similar way as McIlroy. Ballesteros was not afraid to confront his opponents or express his emotions when he felt he was wronged or disrespected. For example, in the 1985 Ryder Cup, he accused Paul Azinger and Mark O’Meara of changing their ball on the 18th hole, which led to a heated argument and a near brawl. In the 1989 Ryder Cup, he had another dispute with Azinger over the condition of his ball, which resulted in a war of words and mutual animosity.
However, Ballesteros was also a gracious and respectful sportsman who valued the spirit of the game. He often praised his opponents for their skills and achievements, and showed admiration for their courage and character. He also had a sense of humor and a playful side that endeared him to many players and especially the fans. He was able to make friends with some of his former rivals, such as Tom Watson and Jack Nicklaus. He even became close with Azinger after their feud. Azinger said during this Ryder Cup that Seve was one of the first to call him when he was very ill, and they exchanged heartfelt messages before Ballesteros passed away in 2011.
Therefore, I think Ballesteros would have done what McIlroy did: stand up for himself and defend his honour, but also try to move on from the incident and respect his opponent as a fellow golfer.
As an aside, Seve would have also appreciated the tribute that the fans gave him at the Ryder Cup first tee, where they unfurled a banner with his portrait and the message “always in our hearts”. He would have been proud of his legacy and his influence on European golf. The European Ryder Cup team plays to maintain that legacy and spirit which might account for Rory's behaviour.
I agree that La Cava carried it on a little too long and in my opinion positioned himself too close to Rory in order to get a reaction. This would be more ok if it was Cantlay doing the celebrating.
Rory is in the wrong and he should apologise
That moment won it for Europe ha ha ha
Why is a caddie in the middle of the green? Look where all the others are in your freeze frames, funnily enough exactly where they should be, on the sidelines. I dislike rocky mcilroy as much as the next man, but your interpretation comes across as a blinkered, whiney joe lacava apologist. I usually enjoy your videos and respect your opinion even when you are totally wrong like in the bk selection.
DP - after 17 holes of fans hat waving Cantlay, the correct thing for Rory or any player in that situation was to wait another 60 seconds and then take center stage to make your putt and steal back the moment.
I agree entirely but the caddie was 100% in the wrong being in the middle of the green
St. Rory is infallible and no one is good enough for his country club.
I usually like the Thinking...however. this vid. I can't agree with. The CADDIE walks towards Rory while he's pacing the putt after a great USA hole out. It's Golf and a basic etiquette exists between players - so CADDIES get out the way....Rory lost it, however it was the Caddies fault - end of. So no I don't agree Rory is fragile, just a Golfer that thinks the caddie put him off and it upset him.
Thx Fuse - Rory reacted when he shouldn’t have. 23 seconds is the timelapse between Cantlay picking his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. Weak mentally is our point. He didn’t need to be bothered in the least by LaCava’s hat waiving. Just wait 60 seconds, stay focused on making your putt to tie, then go make your putt. Focus on the task.
I guess my point is that Joe's actions clearly interrupted Rory's process of assessing the CRUCIAL putt. That's gamesmanship and not part of Golf etiquette. The time lapse is not relevant - Joe is a caddie not a player. He was putting Rory off at a crucial point in the match, Joe succeeded. Mentally weak is a bit harsh, we all know the special ingredients that make winners both drive and passion are some of them. Agree to disagree on this one.@@ThinkingManShow
Thx Fuse - we don’t believe Joe was trying in any way to game Rory. That is not his style at all. He was simply celebrating a big moment. We need to know what Rory said to Joe on the green and no one is coming clean on that. It was not a “polite” please move as Luke Donald said to the press. Joe’s reaction tells us that. LaCava is a big time caddie and not easily provoked.
Good story here on LaCava giving Tiger advice at the Genesis in Feb 2023. Says a lot about LaCava’s standing in pro golf:
golfweek.usatoday.com/2023/02/18/genesis-invitational-2023-tiger-woods-message-joe-lacava-text/
Ryder Cup fever pitch maybe he lost it. Ironic quote from the Tiger article you sent me - When congratulated on good Tiger round, “Just getting out of the way,” LaCava said. “That’s what I do best.” Anyway look forward to your next video - all good stuff. @@ThinkingManShow
Lot of projection here.
We are analyzing the video itself.
Small man syndrome,15 seconds of fame La Cava,your film shows nothing,but I like your show.
The film shows position and gives context, unless you aren't a thinking man.
That is YOUR interpretation of the event........You do not KNOW what really happened.......
Huh? We’re watching the video of the incident. Video is clear.
@@ThinkingManShowyou paused frames. Watch Lacava. Rory stopped him from walking further.. you did not show that. Also you clip started when Lacava was 6-8 on the green. He was off the green when he took his hat off. Should not have been anywhere near the middle of the green.
Your edit fools nobody , Joe did not start waving when you say . Joe restarted waving his cap and walked back downwards . There is another complete video and you will see what you tried to hide .
There are no edits here. The broadcast video is copyright protected by NBC Sports as you would expect so we can’t use it - instead we use direct frame captures. Please do watch the NBC video - see link in other comments. The broadcast video is clear: timelapse is 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. The entire timelapse is 40 seconds from Cantlay picking out his ball to LaCava walking away from Rory.
40 seconds.
Rory rushed into a Ryder Cup celebration - yeesh. Give the Americans 60 seconds to finish and the stage to clear. Then go focus on making your putt - not policing the other team. In no reality is Rory’s choice of action the proper strategy for making his putt. He did however succeed in creating an incident out of nothing and set himself up for trouble 24 months from now at Bethpage New York.
Play it from the start@@ThinkingManShow
If Rory has a problem with caddies he should carry his own damn bag!
So the player should stop to allow a caddie to celebrate a match that hasn't finished yet? Caddies aren't there to get under anyone's skin BTW. You lost, get over it.
Allow your opponent to finish, yes. Caddies are an important part of the team.
🎯🎯🎯
Wrong
So much for "thinking". Nobody said a fucking word about LaCava physically stepping on Rory's line. What clearly happened is he was politely asked to step aside so Rory AND Fitzpatrick go about the process of lining up their birdie putts, either of which if made would tie the hole. LaCava showed his ass to the max, as every video I have looked at clearly prove. The entire incident was an almost exact clone of the shameful USA celebration on the 17th hole at Brookline when Leonard luck-bagged a long birdie putt and the entire US team (including some wives) stampeded on to the green in celebration ... despite Olazabal still having a birdie putt to tie the hole. The Brookline incident is the single worst sportsmanship breach in the history of not just golf, but in the history of all sports. Although much smaller in number of USA idiots involved, the "LaCava" celebratory assholery after Cantley's birdie putt was just as disrespectful and should have been followed by an immediate apology from Reverend Zach. Whatever the case, the Brookline incident (plus memories of Seve calling out Azinger for flagrant cheating) at Kiawah has provided all the inspiration needed since 1999 for the Euros to kick USA's ass on a regular basis. And just when the Euro squad was aging out to the point where the Brookline incident might have been receding from their memories, I am certain that for the next 20 years LaCava's imbecility will provide a new wave of Euro players with justified anger to restore the Brookline momentum. (I am certain that this video from you is click-bait. If not, WTF is all I can say. Thinking men, indeed.)
Actually he said - mooove! He was in his walking line as he was circling. Thanks for the character assassination however. How many majors have you won btw?
Cix - What’s a “walking line” in golf?
No one’s character is being assassinated here. Letting your opponent throw you off your focus is poor strategy and a sign of weakness in one’s mental game. Policing the other team is not Rory’s job.
The broadcast video is clear: timelapse is 23 seconds from when Cantlay picked his ball out of the hole to Rory confronting caddie Joe LaCava. The entire timelapse is 40 seconds from Cantlay picking out his ball to LaCava walking away from Rory.
40 seconds.
Why should he stop walking - he is not weak for telling him to move - this is golf not hockey. You are attempting to undermine him - you are the weak one. I have never heard such sanctimonious claptrap - rewatch your video. I mean really. ‘Weak mentally weak’ - ‘not a strong sense of self?’ - who are you?
This is a totally biast video, ridden with suggestive animosity. I watched this Live, actions taken could be looked on as quite obvious, amid the disrespectful, foul-mouthed, sore-loser attitude that rapidly started oozing from the USA.
Apart from said Caddy, how many Americans are still celebrating? Good shot yes, but it's done. Rory to putt. Quiet on the Green. Who's still waving his cap!? Slowly hovering, conveniently into what he knows is Rory's path. Far too near Rory's ball. A Professional Caddy should show respect to the sport. Ryder Cup ffs?! You have to bite the bullet when the Boot is on the other Foot
But US still lost ha ha
Rory was right. Lacava swirled his hat, put it on his head then walked towards Rory, took his hat off again and twirled. Lacava was wrong.
Dean.............Rory should be thinking about one thing - his putt. Not what the other guy's caddie is doing. Wait 60 seconds, then go into prep mode fully focused.
Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup:
th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
@@ThinkingManShow unfortunately that's not the etiquette in golf that golfers wait for caddies to move, it's the other way around.
Rory's task is to sink his putt. Not police the other team. We can disagree Dean on the celebration - clearly we think it was fine for the Ryder Cup environment - but no one should argue that Rory put himself in the best position to make his putt. No way Tiger or Jack rushes into the scene to putt.
The entire time lapse from Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to Rory stopping to say something to LaCava is 23 seconds. Time lapse of the whole incident start to finish (Cantlay picking his ball out of the cup to LaCava walking away from Rory: 40 seconds)
Broadcast video of Rory walking into play before Cantlay has even got the ball out of the cup (26 second mark):
th-cam.com/video/XD7oJl764fA/w-d-xo.html
Rory making this an issue is a perfect example of why he has never lived up to his full potential. Tiger or Jack could have had him doing jumping jacks on their line and they wouldn't have lost focus.
Play the video. Lacava was 6-8 ft further off the green. He then walked onto the middle of the green. Has nothing to do with the line. You do not walk onto the middle of the green period…..you are biased my friend. Cantley was not doing this… no one has ever done what Lacava did. You are trying to single out Rory… if you did that to Seve, Faldo, Lyle, Montgomerie, Lyle, Rose. They would all have a problem with it.. stop the Monday morning quarterbacking….. I would have been pissed if Lacava walked towards the middle of the green. If Rory had not stopped him how far would he have kept walking….
Yes Joe turned into the green a bit to his left. Then he was standing still Paul clearly looking, waving out at the crowd who had been riding his guy all day. Rory had to take two steps toward LaCava to say whatever he said. Should have been a nothing moment for Rory. Just wait while the Americans did there thing. Good theatre and set the stage perfectly for Rory to go sink his putt. But Rory instead chose to feel slighted by the guy who was neither looking nor talking to him.
Lots of caddies have done this including Rorys' Remember Zack caddie used to walk around the green flapping his arms like a bird when Zack eagled...Even did it at The Open on 18. Funny how some people only remember what they chose to.........Celbrating is and has always been a part of the Ryder Cup
As usual your take is wrong. Not thinking is what you guys do. Lacava was 100% in the wrong. He kept talking smack. He is a caddie. He was way over the top.
Typical American commentator....the yank must be in the right....not! Lacava should have been nowhere in the vicinity....he is a caddy for Christ's sake!
He did not walk in his line. Conley and Lcava were almost off the green and Lacava then decided to walk towards Rosie’s Ball and line. Rory intercepted him and basically ask him to stop……. So tv people said his line. Lacava had no business being where he was….
oh, so a caddy must 'remain in their lane'..certain parts of the green they cannot go?
No, the play as far as Canley was concerned was over. You do not purposely go out of your way as a Caddie to walk into the middle of the green to celebrate..@@PaulCross-d4p
Someone’s jealous of Rory
Watch RM when he misses a putt never his fault hate that
RORY IS WRONG ON THS ONE
The thinking man’s show? Rory back off till Joe is done celebrating. The genius man show!
Im usually impressed with your takes on the golfing scene here but Joe La Cava for all his experience should not have behaved the way he did on the green until the hole was completed .Not so sure on your references to how other players may have reacted in a similar situation .It would never have happened to Jack as that behaviour did not happen back then .Joe was out of line and pointing the finger at Rory does not excuse or mitigate that .Not sure what Rory said to him and it may have been provocative but Joe should not have been on the green gesticulating while the European players were lining up their putts .Thats fair comment surely .I wouldnt have condoned it if it was a European caddy .Its over now .