Arcimoto FUV: My Top 5 Likes & Dislikes
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2024
- After having the FUV on loan from Arcimoto again recently, I decided that it was time I made a video of my favorite AND least favorite things about the vehicle.
What are your favorite things? Leave a comment and let's have a conversation about it.
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I love this FUV and buy one this Feb'24 and drive all over NYC after I retire from the USPS as a Mailman.
That’s awesome! It’s perfect for NYC.
@@EVResource Make up your mind. You also state it is a disastrous deign for air drag. Seems you are nothing but a click bait artist.
The FUV is rated to have a top speed of 75 mph, so I think that full doors and windows are a must as well as heat and air conditioning.
There’s the Nimbus trike that comes in 2 models, base and S.
The S trim has bigger batteries and can go as fast as 75 mph. More importantly, they offer air conditioning as an option.
But the Nimbus is still in development as well as the Solo….
But, in spite of it’s shortcomings, I think the Arcimoto is in some ways the best choice, mainly because it’s in production at the moment.
For sure. Full enclosure is one of their most requested changes.
Absolutely not. The video author is full of it. Light EVs become heavy unsustainable vehicles when spoiled car addicted Americans demand climate control. Simply not needed!
Tells me what motorcycles offer climate control. There are a billion motorcycle and scooter owners on Earth who all unanimously envy the higher level of comfort and safety offered in the base model Arcimoto.
Cars are boring and totally unadventurous and they cause car centric city designs.
The weight of doors and windows will slow down the vehicle and shorten its range, as would AC. Windows convert the vehicle into a solar oven. Don't forget that clear roof.
Although I would like to see the price coming down, I don’t think the fuv is expensive for its category. If you look at another three wheel vehicle, the can am spyder, it uses gas. It needs oil and transmission fluid ( CVT transmission ) change for maintenance. It starts at $18499 without any extra. At $17900, the fuv is a steal 🤷♂️ By the way, can am spyders do sell pretty well. Thank you for your video 👌
The Can Ams have a lot more range before you have to top up and you can top up a lot faster. If you only want to travel in a small town at low speeds, sure, the Arcimoto is the vehicle of choice.
Yeah, there is definitely value in going electric (I’m obviously biased on that), but going off of the conversations I’ve had with people, the cost is a prohibitive factor.
@@EVResource I understand the price issue but I think FUVs are designed for a specific market segment. It is a vehicle for wealthy retirees and touristic location businesses. Once those markets are tapped out, it can expand to the rest of the population.
@@georgeschneider8778 Wealthy retirees? I retired ten years ago on a SS pension only. I drove an ebike for 7 years to be able to afford my FUV. It was half of my entire life savings but it is as economical as a scooter to own and operate. I may be the poorest person to ever buy one. The market for new sustainable and right sized designs is still untouched. Demand will skyrocket as more become aware of alternatives to 5000 pound gas guzzling cars.
@@popeyegordon I don’t know if you pay attention to the comment. The wealthy retirees are the prime target before extending to the rest of the market. I live in a real world you know 🤷♂️
Texas summers are HOT and the humidity makes it even worse...... but... I think I'd still be sweating my ass off riding that thing all over the city. 😆 That thing looks like so much fun, but it's still way too expensive.
Completely agree! It has all the climate controls of a motorcycle. 😉
And yes, they definitely need to change the price -or- make the offering better. Personally, if it had full enclosure, A/C and heat, fast charging, and a slightly larger battery capacity… I’d be all over it.
Great review. It seems to me the higher the cost the more utility (range) will be a factor. At $15,000 or below, the fun starts to become more of a factor. I hope Arcimoto is a success.
Agreed!
With extras mine was $25K delivered and it is the only new vehicle I have ever bought. Why? I can't afford a car on my pension but the FUV literally pays for itself in just 8 years when you compare it to the costs of owning and operating a car.
My insurance is just $134/yr which is one sixth the cost of annual car insurance in Florida. No gas to buy. All of this in a market where the average cost of a new EV in the US is currently $60K!
You don't get to wish or demand the price that suits you. 900 owners know it is worth the price.
Great review, the best and most honest I've seen. The biggest problems are 1. the battery pack is too small and 2. The design is so unaerodynamic that traveling at the advertised top speed cuts your range to almost nothing. It needs doors and windows (ones which you can be minimised for when you are doing a short trip and want the wind in your hair) and put in place when you need to travel a reasonable distance. Also, the ability to fast charge would be a great advantage.
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The battery pack is right sized for sustainable vehicles. You mentioned reasonable distances which you do not know the definition of. Long ranges are no longer acceptable, we knew we had to stop long trips and commutes a decade ago. That's what busses and trains are for.
It does NOT need the added weight of doors and windows, that always turns a vehicle into a solar oven which means AC will always be used, reducing the range further. The heated seats, hand grips and defroster are enough for all but the most extreme winter weather thanks to the windshield and roof. No motorcycle ever sold is as protective. You are just plain LYING about aerodynamics. Anyone looking at the front profile sees a narrow cross section barely larger than a motorcycle with windshield and we see it tapers towards the rear. Owners with doors report no detectable difference in range and the weight of doors will eliminate as much range as a bit of streamlining would offer. The demands for instant gratifcation and climate control are part of what made the US the leading co2 emitter. Few of us are heads of state or royalty so we do not deserve or require luxurious comfort.
@popeyegordon I'm sorry, but trains are not and have not been an option for long distance travel for large parts of the U.S. East of the Appalachians or west of California and train travel is a Novelty.
Just to visit my friends in the same city round trip is at the max edge of the arcimoto's current range. Also.This a "low cost" aimed at lower income. Low income apts don't have access to charge over night, so a longer range allows for more short commutes between charges
@@JohnMiller-zn9pfSome people simply should not travel when they choose to live in isolated places. Amtrak covers the entire nation and partners with bus service.
What have you done to push your city government to offer bus service?
How do you justify stealing more than your fair share of resources from future generations just to 'visit friends'?
Some of us need to redefine our priorities.
@popeyegordon So, people in KY,TN,MISSOURI,MISSISSIPPI, KS, IOWA,OKLAHOMA etc, shouldn't travel? just because they were born in a flyover state?
They should give you an award for this video, you knocked it out of the park!
Thank you! I appreciate that.
Wrong. The premise of this video is absurd and misplaced and baseless. This guy never even owned one. It has been my only transportation for over two years now.
Arcimoto has won design awards. This channel is virtually anonymous.
Changes needed, different battery/longer life, Rapid charger, MAYBE find a way to add a small engine hybrid version to kick in like a motorcycle version of a prius. a 49cc moped engine to maintain higher speeds to extend range. do that for sub 20,000 and even without doors or heat or ac and sales would improve
Completely agree that there is an improvement in value needed. From what I’m hearing though, things are in the works… so we’ll see what they come up with!
hi can you tell use the warranty for the battery as well what voltage and amps the controller can handle
Per Arcimoto's website, they say: "We don’t yet have the longitudinal data to make a definitive claim, but we are hopeful based on our pack design and data from the cell manufacturer that the li-ion batteries used in the FUV will last up to 8 years or more with normal vehicle usage, and still maintain more than 80% of their original charging capacity. Field testing and continuous improvements are ongoing, and we will provide more data as it is available."
Warranty Information can be found here: www.arcimoto.com/warranty
As far as the controller, I don't have that information and haven't been able to find it.
Thank you very much 🚀 I definitely would also buy one immediately if I could buy it with doors + at a price of less than 15' bucks ☝️ On the other hand: Perfect vehicle for the hot summer times + for going to work 🙋
Summer time is perfect for Arcimoto!
Top 3 problems; (1, 2, & 3) Michigan (where I live). 1.) Handlebars make this a motorcycle by Michigan definition, this means a motorcycle endorsement. (Steering wheel would make it an autocycle drivable with a standard driver's license.) 2.) Lack of full doors - This is Michigan where we get real winter (not west coast winter) and where I would mostly use this, on dirt roads (Mud roads mostly.) This means slush and mud spray from not just the road but other vehicles. 3.) The biggest drawback; Not yet available in Michigan.
#1 is true here in Virginia as well. #2 is one of the most common requests by people who don’t own or have never driven the FUV, (and something the company has acknowledged.)
#3 is probably a result of #’s 1&2! 😂
I think adding AC and heat would reduce power drastically and add weight, so they need to use bigger battery and would cost more.
Maybe. Certainly something their engineers need to consider!
That thing should be under 10K.
I’d be happy if it was $12-$15k, depending on standard features.
hope they bring that here in the philippines :)
That would be cool if it happens!
while it looks like fun, I will stick with my Can am Spyder. I can go about 250 miles before fueling up. Maybe if they can get the battery / range up higher I may look at one.
You know, that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking too. When faced with the comparison, it’s hard to choose the less practical and more expensive choice. I hope they can figure this out, but I’m worried it’s too late for them now.
I want one in Canada!
I bet you could probably find one for sale, used, and import it...
凄く魅力的な車ですね。
私は下半身に障害があり、ハンドルで運転出来る事は素晴らしいです。
しかし、障害者は低所得層の方が多く、価格が高額過ぎて障害者には購入は不可能です。
私もバイクは大好きで、もう一度このバイクで走ってみたいです。
Yeah, there are definitely people who would likely have difficulty with the FUV. It’s not for everyone, but no vehicle is ( or should be!)
I rented one in FL and my thoughts:
Likes:
1. It was fun to drive
2. Box on the back to store things
3. Attention it gets
4. Having a windscreen
5. Seats were better than expected for comfort
Dislikes:
1. No full doors with roll up windows. I say this as in FL rain storms come through. I got pretty wet driving it. Driving it with nobody around was fine but all it took was one truck going through a puddle and the water came rushing in. The rental place did warn me about that. So it must be common. Plus the wind noise on the highway is pretty high.
2. Roof. It would be nice if they were black or something because with the sun, you get baked. Plus, the seats get really hot when parked in the sun.
3. Steering. Fine while driving but try to parallel park that thing, it's a challenge. Heavy steering. They need power steering.
4. Something was going on with the front drive as it was clunking and much louder than I expected.
5. Fit and finish. For what it costs, could be much better.
I have owned my FUV for 14 months as my only vehicle and I never got spashed once. Wind noise can never be as loud as it is on a motorcycle with no windshield - I don't miss that deafening wind rumble all my motorcycles involved. This is a utility vehicle, not a luxury limo. Owners in the sun belt use window tint or wraps to reduce or eliminate hot sun through the roof. I did mine for 20 bucks, I was the first to try it and I posted the photos in the owner group. Since then some rentals have had tint installed, like the Las Vegas venue. There is no problem with the drive, you just have to get used to the regen feature. FIT AND FINISH ON AN $18,000 UTILITY VEHICLE, IN A MARKET WHERE THE AVERAGE COST OF A NEW EV IS STILL OVER $60,000??? WTF, man?
@@popeyegordon - I suggest you look at what Arcimoto publishes. It costs them at least $60K to make a FUV. Maybe Arcimoto needs to go talk to Tesla. They make a full blown car and sell it for way less than the manufacturing cost of a FUV.
Then we are back to the thing that what should make a FUV, really cheap. Offer nothing other than one model. Zero options and zero accessories. Let's call it the CCCPUV then.
@@billsmith5960
He keeps doing this on all the FUV /arcimoto discussion sites, and I am pretty sure the facts change according to he thinks will be a winning argument.
@@b_uppy - Many of the "facts" are not if you just look up the official info from the company. If what he claims when it comes to how cheap it is, I do not understand why he's not a paid ambassador for the company and use his stats for others to buy the product. I bet he'd like extra income to be on official Arcimoto videos to show how great it is. Yet the company does not.
@@billsmith5960
I know.
You may remember me posting comments about how some of arcimoto's vehicles could use more weather protection for rear passengers, sideways rain, etc, as well as doors and working windows to protect comments inside, he got those removed.
When I confronted him recently about his bombastic language towards others, and then going after other people on non Arcimoto sites with his nasty turns of phrase.. He cleaned up (erased) his previous attack comments.
I went back to where he had cleaned up his rude commentary to see if he was back to his old self, and his snide remarks are creeping back in older videos.
He's currently staying on the propaganda trail when the video first comes out, but as the video gets less views, he comes back to sarcastically attack people sharing their concerns.
I think he works for the company, and that's why he gets away with his antics...
Removable doors wood also be good for options
Yes indeed!
The FUV needs to tilt too. Great review!
Thanks! Currently the company has no plans to incorporate the Tilting Motor Works tech into the FUV platform... but who knows, that could change!
just like the carver and nimbus one 😁
@@ryunekoyashiki Carver One "fallito " aveva l'ingombro di una normale vettura ! non ascrivibile quindi alla categoria dei " Micro veicoli ogni tempo ad assetto variabile !" Carver Earth con ingombro molto più ridotto è limitato dal sistema di piega automatica al pari di Nimbus , l'automatismo in entrambe i veicoli è molto negativo in presenza di vento laterale . Digita : il ttw di ferrari luigi
A tilting version would be a completely different design. Not gonna happen for a very long time. They sell tilting conversions for existing motorcycles.
Cual es el comportamiento de la trimoto en subidas o pende tes pronunciadas.
No problem! Because it’s so long, it’s very stable.
Sure, where do you buy one?
www.Arcimoto.com - Everything you’d need is right there!
Il ttw di ferrari . E' l'unico SISTEMA con uso di pedaliere aeronautiche per il controllo del " Rollio " ( piega ) ed è il solo che può permettere la realizzazione di un microveicolo chiuso ( Ogni-tempo ) con una carreggiata di soli 80 cm.
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing!
It truely seems to be fun although team needs to work on the Design point of view.
Amazing fun!
I see a lot of comments about wanting an FUV with tilting. Tilting would be an entirely different vehicle. Not only would the wide stable stance have to be narrowed, the tires would have to be rounded with far less contact with the road, still leaving us vulnerable to gravel or oil patches and much less traction in rain, the hazards of motorcycles. The flat tread car tires offer superior traction in all conditions.
I wouldn’t want the FUV to tilt either. You make some good points here!
@@EVResource Good that we agree on something.
I think we agree on more than we disagree. That said, I appreciate your input no matter what.
For me, the major drawback to this vehicle is safety.
This would not protect the driver or passenger in the event of a tbone collision.
Of the electric vehicles i have seen this is one of my favourites, but at the same time, i always end up thinking "what happens if this gets hit by a hummer".
I certainly dont expect to get into an accident, ive only been in fender benders in my life, but i also think its reasonable to considser these " what if" scenarios.
Also, it seems this vehicle would likely be "road only" based on the width of the front wheels. I dont necessarily want to use an EV as an ATV, but it would be nice if it could handle trails. Although i could always get a pedal assist bike as well for that, so its not a dealbreaker.
The big drawback one for me is the hypothetical collision. Other than that, i dont see any downsides to it, honestly. I would already be willing to sacrifice maximum speed and range (its an EV, that is going to happen).
This isn’t a car though. If you compare safety to a motorcycle… the FUV is way better!
agree that this fuv gotta have doors and windows + a little bit more space for compartment....and maybe adding a special off road package for those who loves off roading hehehe
Off road would be pretty cool!
@@EVResource righttt hehe
@@ryunekoyashiki This is not an off road vehicle. It has a low COG and low ground clearance by design. It offers more safety and cargo capacity than any motorycycle in existence. A billion motorcycles and scooters have no doors or roof. Windows turn any vehicle into a solar oven so you NEED AC. Mine is in Florida and I would not want doors.
@@popeyegordon yeahh you got a point there 😁
I just think that FUV needs to offer optional half and full doors that are removable. Full doors have roll up windows. Polaris does this for their side by sides. If you have no need for doors, then you don't order the option. Then put them under the FUV accessories page for people that want to add them later. Opens up the market for them.
If they make it able to put on and take of panels, similar to a Jeep. I think that will definitely increase sales for this. I know I would like it if I could go from having a passenger to having extra storage space that's secured and private.
Agreed, I would love removable panels!
I removed my rear seat and harness to reduce weight 65 pounds which was definitely detectable with acceleration. I added some cargo netting to have a large cargo area without spending $5K extra for the Deliverator. I still got the locking trunk for things that need protection. This is why it is called a fun utility vehicle - flexible applications.
Check out the delivery models. They have a single seat but a large, lockable space where the regular storage and passenger are on the “regular” models.
@@lexstockton3785 If you had expanded down this exchange you would have learned more. I found a way to avoid the $5K extra cost of the Deliverator.
@@popeyegordon Great, I’m glad you found the right product for you. Next question, why did Arcimoto make it so difficult? Still seems like Arcimoto is some solid ideas but they seem to lack a coherent master plan. I hope you and thousands of other buy and enjoy their products but I’m out until they put real doors on the thing. I’d love the doors being “Jeep style” easily removable but I’d take more conventional door if that is what is what is released. Just keep the cold and wet stuff on the outside.
Yes, add tilting plox. (Is Share holder: Yep, losing money. xD)
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It’ll come back.
Tilting would be an entirely diferent vehicle. The wheels have to be close together. And in the end you get a very small traction area with the rounded tires vs. the 14.5 inch total width of three car tires contacting the road which is vastly superior in all conditions. I know, I had 5 motorcycles before buying my FUV to be much safer on the road. The total package is what it needs to be for an autocycle.
All shareholders of all US manufacturers are losing money during this pandemic/war economy. The entire DOW is down.
@@popeyegordon This is good insight. Thank you.
@@popeyegordon FWIW I’ve had 27 motorcycles, you are correct across the board. If Arcimoto pursues a big, tilting bike that would be interesting but the FUV isn’t where you would start, a “leaner” would have to be nearly a clean sheet design.
@@lexstockton3785 I have also owned many motorcycles and I have the FUV now but no ownership is required to root out and post a few facts about Arcimoto's products. Seems you are not aware that Arcimoto bought the patent on Tilting Motorworks and they sell/install heavy duty kits for a leaning front conversion of road motorcycles. That project was far easier than designing a whole new vehicle. The patent also let them start designing the MLM tilting e-trike. It is currently on hold due to market conditions.
5:05 Very rude gesture in the UK haha
😂😂😂
Its wasnt very well thought out..... The Nimbus is what Im looking forward to.
After getting to know many people at Arcimoto I can assure you it’s very thought out. Their specific challenges are in other areas.
The nimbus looks really neat though, and hopefully will add another option for the marketplace!
do you need a license to drvie a Arcimoto electric scooter
Right Now I Am Looking 4 A three-wheel electric scooter that doesn't need a driver license my friends
Yes, you need a drivers license, and in some states a motorcycle license or endorsement.
@@EVResource - ok thank you for the info EV Resource, i will also get a driver license now but i hear that some e-bike don't need a driver license at all ?
Motinha linda guero um
Espero que comecem a vender internacionalmente. Eu acho que isso seria ótimo na Europa!
Interesting vehicle, but I don't like 3 wheel vehicles and it is not fully enclosed. I am looking for an Electric EV that is good in all kinds of weather, rain, snow, etc. Plus I want an AWD 4 wheel vehicle. And I want a vehicle with allot of storage space to carry various items.
This thing would be good on summer days out in the country side, not much more.
So this vehicle is not on my shopping list. Thanks for the video anyway.
Your best bet is to get a car. This is not a car, but it’s a ton of fun and would make a great addition to any garage. Just don’t replace whatever you currently have and get one of these for nice fun days!
We were early investors in FUV, sold out when we had enough profit for a free scoot and then shorted the stock. Cov,red the short and had another free scoot. Problem was we could not get a delivery date, just a demand for another $2500 without any meaningful commitment from the fiddler. So we figured this was very clear writing on the wall, theY needed money to survive. We took some options, PUTs for January 16, 2023 and predicted FUV would be in Chapter 11 by Christmas 2022. But along came more smoke and mirrors of 1 for 20 reverse split and we thought maybe they could earn their Christmas Bonus and last another 6 months? Now dropping 5-10% per day, I guess we had FUV well figured out. Go to any financial page and see where the smart money is in the options? FUV is FUT.
I too pulled all of my investments. After losing 90% this year, I just couldn't handle more. I *_REALLY_* want the company to succeed, the product is so much fun!
Aptera is just a much better choice.
Yes, absolutely! But aside from the only two things they have in common (three wheels and electric), they’re very different vehicles with very different use cases! The Arcimoto is more like a motorcycle/autocycle and as such, should be compared to those vehicle types.
I've tried to contact your company about purchasing one of your vehicles without much success. It seems as though your not wanting to talk to me at all. Ultimately I may have to look elsewhere.
Hi there! I don’t work for Arcimoto. So if you were trying to contact EV Resource about purchasing an FUV, we don’t sell them so that might be why you had trouble. I’d suggest going to www.Arcimoto.com as a good starting place.
Pôr favor traduzir em português
o que você gostaria especificamente? o áudio em português?
I believe the fuv is the next thing but it needs fast charging.
For sure. It would unlock potential distance for trips!
As an FUV owner I disagree. It is extremely easy to just plug it in when I get home each day. I have not left my town in my own vehicle in 7 years because I know that is obsolete behavior that harms other people and the biome. Only a very small percentage of vehicle owners need to travel long distances for their professions. It is no accident that these new designs are coming to market now.
@@popeyegordon That’s my point, you are not a wealthy retiree and on top of it, you have no life. How can someone stay in one place for 7 years. It is not healthy for your mental health. It shows up on your comments. Elon Musk started with the roadster ( a very expensive car) before downgrading 🤷♂️
Full closer and adding heat will sell more units and improve efficiency and perhaps add solar too the roof will improve mileage like the aptera.
Yup
Aptera is based on a faulty design premise, as is Tesla. To survive the next century we have to make changes. Solar is just a gimmick on vehicles with battery capacity in the kilowatt range. Selling more overpowered overweight units like we drive now would defeat the purpose. A design does not have to be ideal for all climates to be a great success - a snowmobile is not a failed design just because it is worthless in Florida.
Naah. I prefer the break and the accelerator on the floor.
Not a motorcycle person I guess?
@@EVResource
No, never have I thought to leave my brain splattered on the pavement. I prefer a recumbed trick with pedal assist.
What an interesting perspective.
@@EVResource
I really don't trust this company. The original creator of this trick was removed because of a DWI he got when driving it.
There are better tricks in the market with steering wheels instead of a bicycle one, that only worked when the two weeks are on the back and a fork in front.
In Japan there are places where you can borrow for a fee and they are amazing.
I take it you haven’t driven one before… you should seriously give it a try, at least once. It may surprise you.
Honestly, if you want to know everything about these, talk to people who own them, or who have driven one.
Well without side doors and windows I would not be seen dead in that thing and much prefer riding a trike or a Solo if one could be had here in Scotland, which is improbable.
It's definitely not a vehicle for everybody or every climate. And at this point it looks like Arcimoto is going to need help to survive. It's a shame really, the FUV is a ton of fun!
Trikes have no collision protection at all. Statistics prove that you WILL be seen dead in trikes and on motorcycles without the 6 point harness and the certified crash cage Arcimoto uses. Arcimoto's first and only crash I have heard about was a shining examle of how safe these things are. The guy was not even wearing a helmet yet he walked away with only bruises, thanked Arcimoto for making a safe vehicle, and ordered a repacement. The pickup that hit him had its front end torn off by the crash cage which did not bend!
I find it very difficult to understand what you are saying because of background noise and background music, even when using professional headphones.
Sorry to hear that! We’ll definitely keep that in mind.
I rented an Arcimoto FUV for a few hours. Here are some things you forgot to mention:
Cons:
1. Steering. Very very heavy at low speeds. I have owned a motorcycle in the past and would prefer a steering wheel w/ rack and pinion setup for more leverage and better control for emergency maneuvers.
2. Sunburn. I wore a cap, but no sunscreen. Mistake.
3. Braking. There are 2 braking methods: regen (right-hand) and hydraulic (rear-foot to rear wheel). Regen braking is strong and progressive. Foot brake is very very weak. I would prefer an integrated single braking system.
4. Transmission. Makes clunks when getting off of regen braking and accelerating. Disconcerting.
5. Nitpicks. Seat height is not adjustable. Front legroom is slightly cramped for my 5'8" frame. Rear passenger has no hand holds -- must hold part of frame. Mirrors should be 20-50% larger and positioned higher. Ride is firm but not harsh. I would prefer a softer ride with more suspension travel.
I agree with many points you make. The steering would benefit from a powered assist at low speeds. Braking would also be nice if it were one seem less process.
I also noticed the “clunk”, but it didn’t bother me.
Those being said, I’m surprised you mentioned sunburn. Considering that this is a motorcycle/autocycle, it’s to be expected that you’ll have exposure to the sun! Sounds like you figured out the solution though.
Thanks for taking the time to view the video and comment!
1) there is a mechanical steering fix that will be in all new Arcimotos. 2) this is not a valid point to be making about an open autocycle. Who could not know they will get some sun and take measures in advance? 3) dual braking offers more versatilty. There is no regen braking at all with a fully charged battery that is cold. Ownerw like the dual braking and we know we have to stomp hard on the pedal if we need to stop fast. Power steering and brakes are a recent convenience that only came about during my lifetime. 4) I have had my FUV for 14 months now. There was only a regen clunk during the first couple weeks, I think one of the software upgrades eliminated that which was not a serious issue. 5) Seat hight and slant IS adjustable by the owner if you have a wrench to remove the bolts and make the adjustments and add spacers. Leg room is adequate for drivers up to 6'7". The frame is just fine for hand holds but you can add more holds from the extensive selection sold for Jeeps. Mirrors are fish eye and are just the right size - the blind spot is tiny and even non-existent if you don't have the trunk option. More suspension travel would mean more cost, more weight, higher COG and less range. It is just fine for a UTILITY VEHICLE.
@@EVResource Seems you stopped following the owner group where news about the different shaft gear for easier steering has provided a fix they charge $500 for with current owners and it will be standard soon. Vectored steering was taking too much time to validate.
Actual owners detect no difference in range with doors. You are not an aerodynamics engineer are you? If so I will reconsider my stance here and change some of my posts. I say that when you criticize a new product in ways that might have an effect on sales you had damn sure better be right and be able to prove it. Isn't that fair? I'm a retired quality control engineer with 20 years of LEV experience. Not a degree in EVs but real world immersion in alternative transportation. I won't pull claims out of my rear, I base them on real world observations based in the scientific method and my exerience as an ACTUAL OWNER. I hate to be such a pain in the rear but I have valid experience that differs from yours and I'm an FUV owner.
Well, if we had actual data of the coefficient of drag, it would be much easier to have some solid information. However, I can’t find anything officially published regarding the FUV.
That being said, I can say with confidence based on my experiences and testing with aerodynamics (in general, not on the FUV) that it is not aerodynamically optimized and could benefit from many improvements.
The doors would probably make a little difference, but I expect that actual owners probably don’t notice because there are many other variables that affect range and we don’t really know if anyone has tried to scientifically test this or not.
I’m happy to put together an official test if I can get my hands on an FUV again and compare efficiency with and without the doors. Or maybe we could do that with yours. 👍👍
@@EVResource First of all, most driving of the FUV is not at highway speed when drag actually matters. Secondly, this is not a long range vehicle so the sum total of any drag is not as impactful as it is with a car or bus going long distances. This is primarily a short hop city vehicle and that is specifically what it was designed for.
Rentals at tourist destinations are a prime example of the practical use pattern.
In 2 years and 2 months I have never gone more than 15 miles from home and I have never run my battery below 40% so I don't give a shit about some tiny barely measurable drag coefficient, nor do most owners.
The behavior your focus on drag looks at is obsolete - long distance high speed travel in personal vehicles has been obsolete for a decade now. We are to use public transportation for long distances, take a train, or just don't go.
The entire concept of the Aptera is to violate the new rule (which most Americans deny or ignore) about long distance travel in personal vehicles. It is not a solution for a valid problem, it is a way to bypass the issue which is of little help and over all it is no more valuable than the extremely wasteful overpowered Tesla status symbol vehicles.
Poor popeye is in denial that the product is a BUST. Now they announced a reverse split on the stock. Anyone who invested in it will lose 90% plus of their money. What an absolute failure.
One of biggest rules in investing is you don't fall in love with a company. Writing was on wall long ago as they burned capital at around $5 million a month.
3 months later he has no answer to my fact checks. FACT - quarterly reports show steady growth. They got a $50 million loan and are using it wisely. Tell me when the quarterly report is bad instead of consistently improving. He's just a troll turd cowardly attacking me indirectly.
It seems fairly obvious to me that this vehicle was always going to have extremely limited appeal.
@@nathanahubbard1975 Remember that the appeal can not be a cross section of society because the majority of Americans are still addicted to cars a full decade after they were told why that has to stop. It was the only appealing vehicle for 500 happy owners like me. I put down my deposit 2 years before delivery. I used an e-bike for 7 years previously in order to be able to afford this on my SS pension. Safer than any of the motorcycles I have owned and more fun. I maintain that the lying jackass troll who decided to openly harass me needs to be banned. I flagged him 6 times but TH-cam is notoriously poor in moderation actions.
@@popeyegordon He's right about the stock split.
My point was just that this vehicle doesn't make sense for most people. It wouldn't be of any use to me at all currently, since it's winter.
@@nathanahubbard1975 I don't give a shit about stocks, a hustle to get something for nothing at the expense of American workers and the American dream. I invest by buying the product. A snowmobile is not a failed design because it is worthless in Florida. You actually are devoted to condemning a new green vehicle just because of where YOU live.
A Tesla killer
Umm… no. But those are completely different vehicles! That’s like sayings CBR Honda motorcycle is going to kill the F-150.
This is a completely unique alternative to driving
I’ve been following Arcimoto all most since the start. I was initially very interested. However, they have been promising doors for all that time. Is there a religious problem? Are door a sign of evil? They even showed a dorky “lap mat” to keep the operator “dry”. I guess that should be “less wet” and just as cold; just plain stupid. They waste resources developing silly things but don’t seem to get that most people want some protection for the elements. I rode motorcycles for over 50 years. I’ve had my fill, and them some, of being cold, hot, wet, etc. Clean up the Aero, appeal to people who don’t ride motorcycles and generally give your product a chance of success, build %^&$ DOORS! Then we can talk about an option for a bigger battery, if it is still needed when the drag coefficient is lower than a conestoga wagon. How can very smart people be this stupid?
You make some great points!
You are absolutely correct!
@@davidpalmer7175 No. He and you are absolutely wrong. Neither of you are owners but I have enjoyed mine for 13 months now as-is. I'd have no use for doors that are just dead weight on an autocycle that already has a certified crash cage and harness. Their doors are just plastic security blankets for car addicts who never owned a motorcycle.
@@popeyegordon - Why can't FUV just offer them as options? That way everyone is happy. Polaris does this for their side by sides (full doors with either roll up or power windows). Also, I rented one in FL and got wet in the rain. A pickup passed us in the rain, hit a puddle then my wife and I got soaked. I was warned about this at the rental place. So it must happen to others.
I am also a motorcycle rider so I'm used to it but the FUV is not a motorcycle. When I ride mine or rent, I accept that I'll get wet.
@@billsmith5960 Your experience with the passing truck is extremely rare to the point of being a red herring. I have had mine in central Florida for over a year now, never got splashed once and this is my only vehicle. I stay completely dry in rain once I get moving. I am in the FUV owners group with 4K members and nobody ever complained about being splashed by a truck so it is not a thing of concern for daily use. There are a billion motorcycles without doors and no one complains. Arcimoto's doors are not a safety feature. They are plastic with no steel beams like cars have because the FUV uses a different approach to safety. The FUV has a tubular cage that is not conducive to sealed doors anyways. I have owned 5 motorcycles in my lifetime and my FUV is an extremely luxurious comfortable protected ride compared to any of them.
Too expensive I think.
That's the ONLY reason why I haven't bought one yet. I just can't justify the cost. If it were closer to $10k I'd be all over it!
I find the range excessive. I do 5 mile local trips only and this is my only vehicle. I wish there was less power and a much lower top speed. 65 mph is a lot, 83 mph top speed is ridiculous in a time when we should be going back to the 55 mph speed limit. The concept is supposedly to reduce resource use and emissions but large capacity EVs waste too much grid power and encourage wasteful excessive driving and too long commutes and pleasure driving at a time when we should stop doing this and use public transportation. The most wasteful EV is the Tesla. We should not go there.
I think Arcimoto should make the FUV fit as many peoples lifestyle as possible. To me, the range is not excessive and is actually quite limiting. In fact, those reasons are why I haven’t ordered my own FUV even though I really WANT one. I love it so much, but it doesn’t fit my needs.
I do NOT agree the aerodymanics are 'horrible". Nonsense! Just look at the front profile to see that claim is wrong. Longer distance travel Americans do is mostly wasteful and should be done with public transportaton or trains or simply stopped. The demand for unsustainable long range vehicles and 'creature comforts' is a significant part of what is killing our biome and causing extreme hardships and deaths in developing nations. Someone claiming to be an EV reviewer has to get with the program in 2022 - these are not intended to be a fad or status symbols. They fit in as a part of more sustainable lifestyles the planet's biome can survive. This fact makes the need to use EVs deadly serious - not a hobby, not a new branch of racing, not a sport, not status symbols. The rules for survivng the next century obviously eliminate all Teslas, electric HumVee and other heavy over powered EVs for personal use.
Well Popeye, why don't you tell us how you really feel about our freedoms. I hate to think about what all should be "simply stopped" in the name of saving the biome? Or especially, WHO would make these decisions. And at what point would an activity, product or practice be deemed "destructive" and "simply stopped"? I already know your stance on Tesla and everything ICE. And no doubt certain people would be exempt from the simply stop rule or law because what they do would be to important to follow what all the "simple people" that would be forced to stop doing, driving, procreating or enjoying. Is it that we have to many people here in the biome or just the current residents are to wasteful? Or both? I suppose we should just line up and do as we are told by all the wise people, like you to save the biome, because you are so much wiser. You wise people all know just what to do to stop all the "extreme hardships and deaths in developing nations". Do you ever invite God to join you for lunch? As blatantly repugnant as it is to you I will just be thankful for and enjoy my freedoms while I can and continue to vote to protect them.
@@mikecomeau7419 Really? Even a dog does not shit where it sleeps. Tell us about your right to steal more than your fair share of resources from future generations. Nobody will, or can, do for you what is your own responsibility. Each of us has to change or we all die in a poisoned biome, taking half the species with us. You need to redefine the limits of your 'freedom' and don't confuse that with conservative values with money hoarding at its core. I am old and won't live to see the outcome but that is no excuse to not live responsibly,
@@mikecomeau7419 Freedoms?? What the hell are you talking about? You have no right to steal more than your fair share of resources from future generations.
Climate change deniers are ignorant science illiterate leeches on humanity and our biome.
Your summary at 10:30 is in direct conflict with most of the video's content. The average price of an EV in the US in the year 2022 is $66,000! I reject your arbitrary baseless claim that it is overpriced. Who says Arcimoto wants to sell in all 50 states? YOU did. This design is ideal in many but not all states and is perfect as-is. A snowmobile is not a failed design just because it is worthless in Florida. Doors and windows needed for climate control make the vehicle inefficient, a solar oven in summer, and shorten the range. Americans have GOT to dump the idea they are entitled to be conveyed around like royalty or heads of state in hermetically sealed climate controlled 5000 pound steel caged lounge couches. That unreasonable demand is deadly to our environment and our species. We are already seeing mass migrations of starving climate change refugees by the millions on other continents our co2 emissions have reached.
My “arbitrary baseless claim” is based on conversations I’ve had with top level executives at the company AND extensive conversations I’ve had with people about the FUV. The general consensus is that is is too expensive (when compared to other market options currently available.)
I wouldn’t say the FUV is a failed design, but they aren’t targeting a small market. If they want to be successful in building hundreds of thousands of these, they need to take into account the reasons people aren’t buying and see if they want to make changes.
@@EVResource I have had just as many conversations with consumers. I am not retracting my stance about the summary vs. the content. YOU are personally saying the market is small. I say it is gigantic and growing every day. And I do mean every day. Are you an EV engineer? What degrees entitle you to pontificate so much? I don't see it. I see someone running ads in videos.
The market opportunities are massive… but they have to keep in mind the needs and wants of that market. They aren’t trying to build a niche product, but at the current time it is viewed as such.
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate the engagement even though we don’t see eye to eye about this one.
@@EVResource Maybe what I didn't communicate well is that consumers are changing as more effects of climate change affect their daily lives. Smaller EVs are the right way to go and demand will continue to change towards understanding that. You can try to decide you know what they want but that is changing. Starting out small in a market that is going to rise to dominate is smart. It worked for me.
That all sounds good to me! I'd love to see this country seek out smaller vehicles to take care of our daily needs. Personally, I love smaller efficient cars.
Batteries need to be mounted under rear seat,and lower the front seat,better passenger view
Hmmm. That’s an interesting thought! I’ve never considered a change of seating position. When I was a rear seat passenger, my attention was so focused on everything I could see that I didn’t even realize the things I couldn’t see.
The pasenger view is already deemed to be panoramic. Clear roof. Changing the battery config would be a totally new model but that is not justified. Low COG not over the single rear wheel is smarter.
Frohnmayer destroyed the company and robbed all of us stockholders.
I don't think the company is destroyed at all. And, I think it's important that credit for the creation of the vision and how far they've come so far should be given to Mark Frohnmayer. It's natural for a founder to take it as far as they can before handing off to someone new to run things. This is just the end of one phase, and the beginning of the next. (Hopefully)
@@EVResource You don't think so? As a stockholder, the stocks are just about worthless. The losses they've had all along cannot be recovered. I've lived it for 4 years now. Hoping and wishing is for little kids. They screwed the pooch!
@@davidpalmer7175 You can't lose a single penny unless you sell too soon. Stocks are not a Vegas game.