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Last week, a Malaysian passenger jet was shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing all 298 people on board. It has yet to be confirmed who shot it down, but US and Ukrainian officials have blamed the pro-Russia rebels.
VICE News correspondent Simon Ostrovsky is in the Luhansk region with the Ukrainian military to see what, if anything, has changed in the conflict after the plane disaster.
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Rest in peace to my wife in the MH17 I really miss you sayang
is this real? please respond and what nationality ?? i am sorry for you
@@justanotherlegend3315 he is malaysia...im malaysia and i know this is malaysia people.....
Fake dont be dumb
M Y L O he not fake.
Sorry for your loss man
4:08 look at that vodka belly
he need to eat carrot
"Our experts" that's Russian for clean up crew
RIP:
Merel Van Der Linde
Mark Van Der Linde
Erla Palm
Rob Van Der Linde
Gecondoleerd
Dutch Van Der Linde
@@OuterHeaven210 damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing
Russians are best at one thing, Do all the terrible things, then blame it on their opponents as if they were the culprits. I remember a Russian soldier in Crimea point a gun at this unarmed reporter, and asked, "Are you provoking me?" See the irony?
@Computer User I don't know why Trump has anything to do with Russian-backed seperatists on the other side of the world shooting down a plane full of people who have nothing to do with this conflict. Seems to me you are trying to anger people. Or you are a Russian troll.
I just don't understand, how can the pro Russian side just so blatantly lie all the time?
Says Ukrainian nazi. SBU were proven lying to Dutch court just one month ago
@@zavtradnem thats bullshit they proved it was a anti material missile that was set for air burst mode and thats a russian type of air to air missile
Guys you need stop watching russian tv
practice
@@ianbarry6146 russian air to air missle? Nice try nutter.
My cousin was on that flight mh17 ..saw picture his body lying on that field 4 days ago makes me angry people would actually post those picture on twitter .
If I were those separatists, I would pack my bags and leave. Too much death surrounds them.
They dont give a shit.Aninals.
6:43 "We think the investigation is being sabotaged." Yeah by you cleaning up the evidence
Forensics expert Peter Van Vliet said he was happy with how the separatists preserved the crash site and put the bodies on ice. The only one upset is the OSCE that don't have clearance to investigate the crash site as they lack the skills to not contaminate the crash site as they are just there to observe the conflict.
Psy Fox did you do this to every comment like mine or am i just lucky?
3:53 all you need to know
Side note but important,
I gotta say this again, that this has to be by far the
"best TH-cam video series" that has ever existed since the start of TH-cam.
It covers the most reality of "history in the making" in my opinion since this technology was invented for a random guy from Detroit, Michigan, USA.... Me
I have to say, with all the insane comments I've seen on this crisis and this topic on other videos, VICE has generally the most sane commenters, no matter which side they side with. With some exceptions, but still.
Not only is the reporting outstanding, you are actually making history with this type of unbiased, sincerely interested involvement.
That speech by the DPR's "prime minister" was one of the clearest examples of projection. And who wears a shirt that reads "boys don't cry." There's a lot of common sense missing in Eastern Ukraine.
Maybe he's a fan of the Cure
Simon received a set of instructions on what to NOT say, when he was in jail and a security guarantee ( his life ) to stfu about certain facts.
The Russians don't kidnap people for fun.
Simon Ostrovsky, i honestly applaud you for your reporting form the Ukraine and the fact that even when they tried to scare you out you stayed! .
So many comments look stupid blaming Ukraine coming back here now after PRO RUSSIAN separatists were given life sentences for committing this disgusting act
Tampering with the site
Better let the bodies rot away in the 30 degree weather, whatever they do it will be twisted against them
***** They are removing airplane debris, that has nothing to do with the bodies, they're removing evidence...
AgentMonkeyzz Exactly, and even then it took them days to remove the bodies when it should of only of taken one day as no one there knew what they were doing, they should of sent in UN peacekeepers to keep control of the crash site, or even the Ukraine military would of been better.
AgentMonkeyzz they are moving debris to get the bodies from below it
"They" are wearing Ukrainian uniform, "they" have been sent by Kiev according to PM of Ukraine, Yatsenuk's press conf yesterday. He said they negotiated them being there with the rebels.
Just imagine falling from a plane to your death. So much suffering for those passengers and of those who lost them
No suffering, quick painless death
@@romancabral9975 Death is extremely painful no matter how quick or slow it happened.
@@Emsyaztrue
My deepest condolences to the families of the fallen MH17, I can only hope that an peaceful resolution can rise from this tragedy. RIP
This crash feels like Polish presitential plane disaster all over again with the exception that this time they're at least pretending to let the international experts lead the investigation.
Probably the Polish president wasn't pro-Russia so Putin tried to end
Looking at the comments whose authors were biased before they watched this my impression was that the reporter was very fair and completely unbiased.
Boys don't cry!
Man I miss so much Simon. Please bring him back!
simon is doing ukraine reporting on PBS now
Ahh the great RUSSIAN COVER UP what an absolute shame all these adults and children lost there lives sickens me to know this still has been unsolved and unjustified and forgotten about by the world RIP FALLEN ANGELS
Omg the pictures of those children and families makes me want to cry. It's just sad those kids would now be my age. Also, are those pictures in the place where they found their bodies?
I liked the part where he mentioned that international leaders are being unrealistic in their expectations regarding this whole situation. The crash occurred in a combat zone where both sides blame each other, does the UN think it can pause a conflict it was unable to stop from beginning in the first place?
of course it was a pressure to fighters to stop their fight. Which they did - Ukrainian side, although the soldiers in the field initially refused it in this video.
And therefore investigation was succesful.
Also thanks to local people, will to cooperate = give evidence to court and prosecutors, which we now know - rest of them DID NOT WANT belong to Russia and did not wish russian killers in their villages.
No, 60-100 000 people in some Referendum, pushed into voting with machine guns, is not the will of all 6 mil. people of Ukraine who lived there.
So asi 30 000 people in Crimea referendum is not the will of 2.9 mil. who lived there.
Does Russia ever get tired of blaming everyone else ? 🇷🇺 Russia should be renamed to the Soviet Union of Karen’s
I would like to ask of you a moment for the victims of this crash.
May they be in a better place.
3:54 "I will talk to you differently" bro cant even lift up his PKM :DD
i remember well: there were different attacks by the seperatist reported weeks before. i was wondering, why it was still allowed to cross for civil aircrafts.
To Borodai: No I'm pretty sure you're the reason security was required in the first place.
Thanks for this video!!
It's human nature for us to believe what we want to believe. It's like a thought filtering mechanism that keep the stress levels of our brains at a manageable level. It's often stressful to face the truth. In times of strength, we are able to rise above that instinct for the sake of our moral and ethical ground, that was either instilled in us when we were young, or that we have found through observation, and the desire to manifest the best outcome in each situation. In times of weakness, caused by any form of trauma, we revert to the base instincts, which can often help perpetuate negative and destructive situations.
So sad...my thoughts are with the victims and there families! May they rest in the comfort of God! 🥀
They are so naive, NATO will never send troops in Ukraine, no one want to die for Ukraine.
NATO won't send troops but Ukraine can always rearms it self with nuke.
crazyox100 No they can't, not unless they feel like leaving the UN
This year NATO and US sending their mass weapon to Ukraine. Encourage big war here 🤭
Oh geez...
kid on right in cammo hat at 7:26 is so buzzed he is in a different time zone
WARNING: if you click on the "watch exclusive footage of mh17 aftermath" link, you may be shocked. There are displays of deceased people and their belongings. Some scenes may be unsuitable for relatives and friends of the victims. May Peace be upon them.
thanks for the warning
Where is the link?
Great work Simon. For all critics Simon showing both sides Ukrainians and Russians and is very objective. Go Sim Go
Simon is a dog journalist from west
So the guy in the press conference says they the site is remaining untouched but we can clearly see them moving stuff away.............
There should be a report from amsterdam with interviews with some of the family of the passengers
Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.
George Orwell
"We think the investigation is being interfered with." Yes. From the separatists. Your own people!
Rest in peace.
Heartbreaking, as a Malaysian I saw this incident really disturbing with your madness, craziness and greediness of power. You all only knows about wars and nothing is peace in your mindset.
Mr. Putin, my friend...looks like you overplayed your hand on this one. Too bad, every great tyrant slips up eventually. In this case, it was your tacit support for these rebels that did you in. Good luck saving face in the international community.
Your comment 7 years ago and he's still the president of RUSSIA
@@Conquistador_xyv yes, because that's how tyrants rule.. they lock up their opposition and silence dissent. Putins days are over.
Wow 7 years from that comment we are witnessing the downfall of Russia
@@Conquistador_xyv "There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen"--Vladimir Ilyich Lenin.
@@C0NR098 Any day now...
The real name of Semyon Semenchenko is Konstantin Grishyn. He is a swindler with his wife Moskovets Nataliya in Donetsk (Makeevka).
3:57 that PKM heavy bro?
1 year ago, R.I.P..
Very frustrating when people think it's Kiev that wants this war. Ever since day 1, Russian Rebels in the Ukraine chose violent means of protest as their preferred way of action. While the EuroMaidan remained some what peaceful for the first month, the Russians were immediate in their resolve to wage war against Kiev. Besides, Kiev offered the Russians time to peacefully negotiate a compromise, after all the Russians started their rebellion the day Yanukovych lost his power, and the fact it took months for the Ukrainians to do anything aggressive towards the Russians.
Also it's frustrating when people hold the belief that the motive behind the rebellion, independence of an oppressed people, actually exists, and if it existed, is a motive that secures the moral high ground for the rebels. For one, the Russian-speaking people weren't oppressed at all before the rebellion. Perhaps that is because there was no break between Russian influence over Ukraine and the Russian rebellion. A UN report said that if anyone was being discriminated against, it'd be the Tatars in the Crimea. Anyways, a sign of a matured, progressive nation is when the people of that nation can come together and talk through problems. The Russians have not done anything of that sort. Instead, like I have mentioned, they resorted to violence on day 1. The moral high ground is held by Kiev, who only want the status quo and peace, that is all.
Kiev allowed right wing groups to intimidate the left, the Federation of Trade Unions of Ukraine was attacked in June, Borotba fled to Greece and there has been talk of banning the KPU.
Ukraine is rapidly racing to the right while bashing the left of Ukraine into the ground so it is no wonder there are those that don't wish to be apart of Ukraine.
Psy Fox The far right party of Ukraine got 36 of 450 seats in parliament. It doesn't seem to be rapidly racing to the far right. The reason why they got popular in the first place is because this far right party has been fighting for a united Ukraine, something that the majority of Ukrainians want (I wonder why.). Also, if you are worried about what this right party will do if it gains popularity, remember that a large portion of Ukraine wants to be apart of the EU, eventually. If this right winged party does anything out outrageous, it will make Ukraine less likely to become apart of the EU, something the Ukrainian people do not like. Thus, the right wing party will be disposed of in the same way the Russian puppets were last February.
There is no wonder what made people in the east want to be Russian- that's due to Russian propaganda and old people wanting to go back to the old ways. But, the far majority of Ukrainians want to be European, and within that there is no confusion.
What if this rebellion happened in Mother Russia, the country these people wish to become apart of? Then we know the answer, immediate imprisonment of all political enemies, immediate show of force, etc. Look at the Russian reaction towards homosexuals and those against Putin, also can't forget the environmentalists who constantly get imprisoned for the slightest crime.
RobbenUlaynov
Borotba is still in exile in Greece as they were getting death threats and their officers were getting vandalized yet couldn't get anyone in Kiev to do anything about it. So the right wing has already done something outrageous.
@@Psy500Whatever it is. This airplaine that has a lot of Dutch people in it. Had nothing to do with that war and got shot down by Russian sepratists. Its logical because the plaine only got shot down when it came to the fight area. The sepratists recently received an air strike weapon that the Russian sepratists used to shoot down Ukrainian airiplaines that also came from the West side. The airplaine MH17 came from the West. So concluding you want to be part of Russia more then Ukraine is a mistake too. Russia is not innocent and it will always pretend that it is. We lost 197 Dutch people on that plain. We are a small country. Either the person using that airtrike weapon is stupid. Or they wanted to kill Ukrainian airplanes so bad that they were willing to shoot down any plane coming from the West.
Russia just wants more land you know this right?. Poetin already took in land in 1999. Its not the first time Russia is fighting with countries nearby. The only people that suffer from this are the people. Polititians are always safe hiding in their bunkers just like now.
@@-_YouMayFind_-the people who lived in Donetsk also had nothing to do with it. Still thousands of fhem ere being killed by their own government. If you care about innocent people onborad the Malaysia MH17, where were you when the Ukrainian government was shelling and kill8ng these people?
There are idiots arguing in the comment sections. I suggest you avoid and do something better worth your time.
didnt the shooters on maidan also have the yellow ribbons tied around their arms?
Why is Borodai smirking during the entire "conference"? He knows more than he's saying...
Simon, it seems that ukrainian government invite you only to certain military groups(Lyashko and Semenchenko). There are too many ukrainian military groups on the east, but you show media-faces?
Саймон, похоже что украинское правительство приглашает тебя только в показательные военные подразделения(Ляшко и Семенченко). На востоке множество украинских военных подразделений, но ты показываешь только медиа-лица?
Ukraine did not have motives to shoot down any planes in their airspace. Everyone know that the rebels did not have any airplanes. Even when Russia violates the Ukrainian airspace they did not shoot them down because then Putin has an excuse to invade Ukraine with full force remember they have 40,000 army units just on the border between Ukraine and Russia and 20,000 in Crimea. Now we all know how huge the Russian army and far more superior than that of the Ukrainian why would Ukraine try to start a war? Doesn't make sense right? It's ridiculous to think that Ukraine would start this war because Russia could crush them at anytime, if given the opportunity to attack at full force I'm pretty sure they would. But why Putin wants Ukraine soo bad, well because Russia wants all of it former territory.. basically the Russian Federation is a new name for the old Soviet Union. I suggest Russia need to apologize for the incident of the MH 17 to the world.
Russia's officials has been editing Wikipedia with bogus theory.. LOL Shame on you Putin. Wikipedia track down the I.P and led it to Kremlin's office. The shame is unbearable ruski
dailynews~ www.nydailynews.com/news/world/russian-government-changing-mh17-wikipedia-entry-article-1.1872864
australia yahoo ~ au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/24501963/russia-under-fire-for-editing-wikipedia-page-over-mh17-tragedy/
gawker ~ gawker.com/did-russian-officials-edit-wikipedia-to-back-up-a-bogus-1609071757
Russia is evil, assassination of Anna Politkovskaya, ex-KGB agent Alexander V. Litvinenko, annexation of Crimea, blaming Ukraine, blaming Georgia and now the downing of civilian airplane. I'm not sure what is these Russians assholes trying to prove are they just flexing their muscle to whole world? Putin is like hey if America can do these things why can't we? Typical Russian drunks mentality.
RowXStryker А ты клёвый клоун :D Сначала надо, хоть, что-то узнать о русских, кроме русской водки, икры и КГБ.
Вы даже близко не знаете о менталитете Русских и совсем не знаете, что происходит на самом деле в Украине, но.. у вас конечно же во всем виноваты Русские. Вас наверное в детстве пугали страшилками про Русских :D
RowXStryker Ukraine has every motive to take the flight down. That is why they are withholding the tapes of conversations with ATC which was responsible for directing the plane into the dangerous area and instructing it to fly at a particularly lower altitude. Instead of mindlessly blaming Russia from the moment the incident happened based on prefabricated voice recordings and social media posts, take a look at the concrete evidence provided by Russia yesterday which shows the activity of BUK radar systems by Ukraine to correspond to their story as well as satellite images of BUK systems in position to carry out this catastrophe as well as the a visual representation of a Su-25 which shadowed the plane. Maybe you can answer for USA and/or Ukraine why there were 8 BUK systems active from Ukraine on the day of the incident when it is commonplace knowledge that the separatists have no air forces?
***** На самом деле уже не важно, разоблачат Украинское правительство, что они сбили Боинг или нет - санкции всё равно будут. Не за Боинг, так еще, что ни будь придумают. Русские уже не верят в Европейскую демократию, ибо Европа и двойные стандарты, это уже одно целое. Весь мир видит, что вся Европа как марионетка пляшет под Американскую дудку.
***** Русские отказываются отвечать за свои деяния. Не собираются признавать ошибки и нести свою часть ответственности. РФ похожа на карманника уличенного в краже и пытающегося обвинить ближнего своего.
now sto flying planes over War zones seriusly this was just a accident waiting to happen.
many airlines have now diverted their routes to avoid ukrainian air space
They were flying at a 'safe' height above the no fly zone.
Panzer shreck I heard one of the alternate routes is over Syria. Lets see what happens.
lol the flight path just got redirected over Syria...GG international community
Andy E yeah i heard too.. out of the frying pan into the fire
Rest in peace
10 years later and it’s even worse over there 😢
I love it how everyone points fingers without proof, when it comes to war anything can happen, they will make sacrifices to ensure the mission is done, lets say one side shot it down for a strategic way to gain International support from other countries, War is dirty and evil and never fair. Please before you point the finger backup your answer with 100% facts
How about the recording between separatist leaders realizing they did not in fact shoot down a Ukrainian transport but in fact a jet liner filled with people. The recording was then voice analysed and it was proven to be the real deal.
AshyLarry that audio was analysed as fake actually
AshyLarry
You mean the recording released by the Ukrainians? Because they are neutral in this case, so we can trust them, right?
Scherbenkacks No, Ukraine are enemies of Russia. The pro-Russian separatists want the East-side of Ukraine, because they say it used to be Russia's ground and they feel more comfortable with Russia. Ukraine wants to keep it's own ground, so Ukraine is anti-Russia.
All the facts are there. The plane was shot from the area controlled by the separatists with the equipment supplied by Russia. Same equipment was used to shoot down Ukrainian military planes. What kind of proof do you need?
Putin's legacy will be remembered as runner up to Stalin.
No it won't.
i was waiting for this.... Upload asap..!!
6:40 maximum damage control mode initiated!
if this isn't absolute proof of ManBearPig i don't know what is.
Man, there have been a lot of problems with Malaysian flights recently
So I think what we've learned since this incident and the other flight that crashed was that you should only fly Malaysia Air at your own risk.
The chance of something like this happening to 1 airline in 4 months is probably a trillion to one. So ask yourself this, if it sounds like BS and stinks, it probably is and does. The chance that MH17 is really MH370 is just as likely than it is that both B777 are separate aircraft.
The lady I the denimskirt is so upset bless her
Left on if any mention of the Malaysian investigation team. New video :MH17 Call for Justice shows a team led by colonel Sakri made it to Donbas after initially being blocked by Kiev
You have to make a very difficult choice in this situation, either you try to recover all bodies to be able to send them back home or you leave the crash scene untouched. I think Simon's demands not to touch the crash scene are ridiculous considering it is very hot right now. It is inhumane to let the bodies disintegrate when there is still a chance to find them.
But they didnt have to touch the debris
They weren't looking for bodies. They were looking for copper
Yep, MH17 flew most of the length of the country, past the Capital, before being shot down by Ukrainian military, says the rebels. Totally makes sense, and Clearly we can't say for certain that the rebels fucked up royally here :P
UN should've sent in a task force on day one to secure the site.
@Giuliano Matrix If the BUK was being used by properly trained soldiers this wouldnt have happened. Russia allowed these idiots to use a (Russian) BUK and this is what happens. It is the same as giving a rifle to a monkey
People that say it is Ukrainian militairy are not thinking clear, because why in earth would Ukraine shoot an Airplaine coming from the West? it only got shot down the moment the airplaine came close to the area where they are fighting. Ukraine is larger then just that area so. There is quite some proof that Russian serpratists that actually recently received an air strike weapon shot the airplaine.. It makes ssense because they were busy shooting down Ukrainian airplaines. These would have come from the West
Discussting how someone can do that ?
As a Dutch citizen this pisses me off so much.
Another masterpiece of misinformation, congratulations, Ostrovsky. There is adifference between downing military aircrafts strafing the ground at altitudes lower than 3000 metres and downing a civilian plane flying at over 10.000 metres
and where did this video say it was a strafing military aircraft in 3000 metres?
Conratulations to your self-dumbness 😀
That Alexander Borodai guy was really laying down some serious bullshit. I can smell it from here.
you guys need to fix the subtitles
May the murderers died in the horrific state, just like what they did to the innocent people who are not involved in the conflict!!
If they are trying to organise a cover up they aren't doing a very good job.
Also, Jews did flight 17
Jews also made up the lie that the earth is round.
*****
I'm making fun of that person.
***** Way to make a fake account m8. no need to hide your density
***** you obviously where late to the troll party. this string of comments was a joke and it just FLEW right over your head. by the way your reply to me made no sense.
ZX Spectrum density??? Like heavy?
bunch of american and nato zombies in the comments
They better continue this video.
the guilt in Borodai's eyes...
Не имеет значения кто сбил. Украина должна была закрыть небо. Виновато руководство Украины
Малазийский боинг вообще не сбили зенитной ракетой, ракетой воздух-воздух или авиационной пушкой, а взорвали, спецслужбы запада и украины. И в его падающей кабине пилотов, объектами обладавшими высокой температурой, а так же массовыми фальсификациями обломков рейса MH 17, сымитировали внешнее воздействие на кабину от объектов, якобы, обладавших высокой кинетической энергией, имитация взрыва боеголовки зенитной ракеты.
Каратели... недолго вам еще осталось бегать..
Долго шось бегаем )
7 лет назад,вы ещё не знали,что русские сбили самолёт)
1:28 Draganov SVD
It was a malaysian aircraft that was shot down and here we are just watching on as people shoot each other out of the sky and we cant do one damn thing about it
Not that I'm defending a side but I'm assuming that the rebels shot down the plane thinking it was a ukraine military plane
Wait, Borodai is the PM of DPR? I thought he was just the mayor of Sloviansk.
I cant believe Russia would try pass off a photoshoped photo with the sticker on the wrongside of the Passenger jet during this.
Hey Vice news, why you don't make date marks of Borodai press-conferense and the part where workers removing debris and at the same time you make data mark of OSCE part?
By the editing you made by puting working workers part before Borodai's part you making impression that Borodai is lying. But without time marks one can't say in what order events were going.
Horrible, absolutely horrible. Those bastards aren't even human. They don't feel; fucking animals. They're straight from 1940's soviet union.
Bless the souls of those that perished and bless the souls of the living helping on the scene. Damned to the souls that caused it.
6:17 man from Donbass :D
Now, who is preventing investigation, the rebels or the fellows who don't want their ceasefire?
Analysis of the fragmentation pattern proves that an older generation of Buk missile, only in service with the Ukrainian army, shot down MH-17.
Fake news, krembot
Виновато руководство Украины. Они должны были закрыть небо. А кто сбил уже не важно
2:41 She is very correct.
Both of you are WRONG in fact
Pro Russian separatists were convicted for this and given life sentences for it, proven in court that it WASN’T Ukraine who committed this crime.
Delete this freak
Just to prove the acquisition of a surface to air missile launcher an aircraft was shot down. What an irony !
That is one of the guilty men.
6th Anniversary of this tragic downing of MAS Boeing 777 Flight MH17 in 2020 ... May The Innocents Blessed to a Better Realm! 🕯
Those rebels look way better equipped than the Ukrainian army.
298 people dies when they shouldn't have and countries yet still have 2 mask the mistakes they have made and not help the grieving families
So many people die because of the ambition of one man with delusions of grandeur... Rest in peace
Genetic test on the plane? So the plane is a living organism?:D
What's up with Borodai's face? It looks like half of his mouth isn't moving.
8:02 "Of a sho" :DDDDD
Wow that guard was fucked up on opioits.
One of the leaders of the pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine has confirmed in an interview with Reuters that militants had Buk anti-aircraft missiles, which, according to Washington were used to precipitate the Malaysian aircraft.
The Agency emphasizes that, in an interview published on Wednesday battalion commander Vostok (East) Aleksandr Chodakowski admitted for the first time since Thursday, when a passenger plane was shot down over the eastern Ukraine, the rebels had set Buk missile. He also confirmed that the set could have come from Russia and could be sent there to remove evidence of the presence of these missiles.
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