Greater Autonomy for Separatists Might Signal War's End: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 81)
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On September 16, Ukraine passed a controversial law under an unusual secret voting procedure that granted greater autonomy to the separatist regions in eastern Ukraine, as well as amnesty for most of the pro-Russia forces in the region. This is a significant development in the conflict, and might signal an end to the war that has ravaged the country for months.
VICE News spoke to Donetsk Governor Taruta Deems on his private jet as the legislation was passed. We also interviewed members of the Azov Battalion at their base right outside the coastal town of Mariupol.
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"They don't want him to look like an oligarch, but he kind of is."
I love that. That is an absolutely hilarious amount of realism.
SirVixIsVexed Haha. No.
I'm entertained because it is a fact, because he kind of is an oligarch and he didn't want that to be shown.
SirVixIsVexed 2.7 billion in the bank says oligarch to me. Being a rich man appointed to rule by a rich man says oligarch to me. Fuck off with your easy generalizations, please, I'm dealing in facts.
He is an oligarch, I knew he was already, I thought it was a hilarious situation that he was in.
Do you really just get off on being high and mighty?
SirVixIsVexed Is it required that during his on the spot journalism about the secret passage of legislation mean to end this war he educate you about a man who you should already know something about?
This is a dispatch from Ukraine, for fuck's sake, not a report on who this man is. He is an oligarch, they called him an oligarch, YOU not knowing anything about him is on YOU, but Vice wasn't trying to inform you about him and neither was I.
Neither of us, me or vice, lied about him, and both of us were correct to think that the luxury this man enjoys is indicative of his status as Oligarch. Most governors don't own their private jet and put appetizers like that out for reporters. This man is 112 times wealthier than Angela Merkel and Barack Obama combined.
Under no circumstances is it incorrect to refer to him as an Oligarch or say that his displayed affluence is indicative of the behavior of an Oligarch. There is no burden to provide background information on the man's wealth or to prove he is an Oligarch every time it's mentioned that he is one, because that isn't a story. That's a fact you can look up in 30 seconds and one you should already know. One that everybody with an interest in this shit should already know.
The story he reported at that moment was that an Oligarch was trying to stop him from showing how much of an Oligarch he is. He wouldn't have been wrong to say "He doesn't want us filming because he's a massive Oligarch but he'd prefer it if we didn't show just how incredibly rich this rich motherfucker really is. I bet this is the worst private plane in his collection. Oh, what a cunt." And he definitely didn't need to tell you that he has 2.7 billion in the bank.
SirVixIsVexed You don't know what the Oligarchs in that region are, I realize this now.
These are people who used the fact that the former USSR was privatized all at once in order to amass inordinate amounts of wealth. They were able to get money together when everything went on sale at once, and as a result only a few men own almost everything in the former USSR.
Okay, now onto your points.
1. Journalism isn't a wikipedia page, it's reporting what's happening as you see it. The story here wasn't that this man is an Oligarch. That's just a fact. If he was here to explain the situation in the Ukraine to you, he might have brought that up. But he's here to report on breaking developments, isn't he?
Yes, yes he is.
2. That man spends hundreds of dollars on the food there. Just because you could make something that looks like it for 20 bucks, doesn't mean a billionaire is. He's buying expensive booze, expensive cheese, expensive bread. It's a thousand times more likely that the one bite he took was worth 25 dollars.
3. Oligarch is a fairly technical term when it comes to that region, I've explained this to you in the beginning. It's a fact that he is one. Nobody needs to report that fact, because it's already out there plain as day.
4. What he was trying to tell us was that an oligarch was downplaying that aspect of who he was for political purposes. He wasn't there to tell us about the oligarch's history or why he is an oligarch. He wasn't even there to report on him at all, but he saw a chance to say something true that someone wanted to hide and he took it. That's good journalism.
His obligation was to report what he saw, and what he saw he reported. I enjoyed seeing him enjoy filming that plane when he was wasn't supposed to, because that's a sign of a good journalist.
5. More about you not knowing what a Ukrainian Oligarch is.
6. Fuck off. You came here to me to start this. You stuck your ignorant nose into my harmless comment and claimed superiority. I said I enjoyed an amusing thing, you bitched about how people believe amusing things just because they're amusing.
That's rude, an obvious reference to what I said, and I'm not about to take that from someone who has consistently shown their ignorance and reliance on assumptions.
Fuck. Off.
SirVixIsVexed You still think these people are living off of public funds? Are you kidding me?
Your first comment was to basically call me uninformed and fickle. Then you vomited stupid at me. You still haven't stopped. You're arguing something that is irrelevant. Oligarchs are not now and have never been known for stealing money. They're normal rich people, just like you and me.
The word has come into common usage because it's used to refer to people who bought all the newly privatized assets of the former USSR upon its dissolution.
Wikipedia will tell you this. It couldn't take more than five minutes to learn on your own everything you need to know about the situation.
I didn't seek out a feeling of superiority, I just won't stand for your self-righteous ignorance. I won't be called a fool by some one with no idea what they're talking about.
Again, fuck off.
"They don't want the governor looking like a oligarch, but he kinda is." Nice Simon... lol
Simon was like a kid in a candy store in that plane.
Looking back now at the interview with the AZOV soldiers, it seems like they were absolutely right.
Indeed! It was spot on!
Never trust a politician doesn't matter what side they are on!
I also think so. At first it seemed that he's right. Then that he's wrong. And then I bethought what a bullshit all politicians were.
Watching this 7 years later while Russia is amassing tanks close to Ukranian border and thinking how the AZOV guy was right with his predicament! Slava Ukrainu!
@Tony Soprano oh really? And now?
No glory for neo nazis
Very interesting to watch…. considering the current events
@Military Views How about now?
@@enemysweet2414 Wagner
Scotland just voted for a referendum fairly, legally, and democratically. And in Crimea, there was hardly anytime to setup a proper referendum. There was no legitimate leadership holding the referendum. Russian had to use green men to occupy and guard during the referendum. There was no option on the ballot to stay with Ukraine. And I can keep going... Hmm, I wonder why the Brits didn't do the same thing? My respect goes to the Scottish people for showing the world what true democracy is, unlike what happened in Crimea...
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like Russians and Englishmen, or Russians and Japanese, or Russians and other Russians.
Damn Russians, They ruined Russia!
I am so sick of Pro-Russians comparing their fake ass Crimean referendum to Scotland. It is NOT comparable. You said it perfectly.
Titus X As insane as Putin is, he knew very well, that 60 % wanted to stay as an Free Republic within Ukraine. The Referendum in Scotland took YEARS to set up properly... Crimea just a few weeks.
And why wasn't there anytime to setup a proper referendum in Crimea, I wonder?
Right, it's because the junta who were in charge then, I mean Turtjynov and Jatsenjuk, wouldn't allow to hold it. Try to guess why wouldn't they.
Why did Russians came there? To help the civilians to defend the referendum from possible Ukranian agression. As you see, they had managed pretty well, and no single soul was killed.
Владимир Савченко What JUNTA?
What the hell happened in Crimea that made this referendum happen?
Did Ukranians start mass murdering Russians?
Putin bots, Putin bots everywhere...
Don't be afraid, please proceed to the safe segment of youtube. You are not ready yet for the cruel world of internet
planc7on Really? Is that why pro-russians almost never take the blame for themselves? Also always blaming the West for rediculous things? Also listening to a state-run media source with one of the worst rankings for biased journalism (RT)? riiiiiiight.....
MsTbsd Don't rely on others.When you finish with Valtsman you should start with Edelstein immediately. That's your job
Leonardo Cardosi it's because all western media is doing is representing russians as a "bad guys" in this conflict.
ofcause russians want to defend themselves from that, it's a natural human reaction
and yes - there is a lot of propaganda in Russia; but not everything in our media is propaganda - a lot of information in your media is propaganda and lies too...
and to add to this, most of your journalist are blatenely incompetent, even when they honestly want to tell truth. they just don't understand problems of this region. don't see a hate for all russians from ukranian neo-nazis
not all western ukranians are nazis, but belive me, there are a lot of them; "Azov" batalion is pretty much nazis with guns given by government)
but you dont belive it, right? even with this batalion members wearing swastikas, having "aryan nation" symbol as batalion symbol and telling in inteviews that in some way they agree with Hitler?
and I saw it here, at Vice's channel, and in BBC news as well. or Vice and BBS is russian propaganda too?
there is a facts about rape, pedophelia crime from ukraine national guard AZOV in occupied Kramatorsk. They are in psychedelic mind control and drugs, so much hate russians and Putin for what? what Putin acctually and russian did? Did they killed by GRAD Kiev residents? Scotland was able to vote, why east Ukraine cannot?
Theres a Nazi black sun symbol in that painting on the gate at 4:05
No wonder the people of Donetsk support the rebels because the Governor wasted all the money on himself!! Look at his Airplane people are struggling to find food and here he is eating his expensive meals and snacks in his Private jet! Meanwhile Russia is sending an Humanitarian aid convoy to E.Ukraine to give their support to the Local!! No wonder Kiev is losing!!
Humanitarian aid? Since when did weapons, ammo and tanks become humanitarian aid?
Vitus Horsted The countless number of white Trucks which provided fuel, food, clothes and Medicine to the locals!! Let me guess you heard this from Kiev that the Russians were supplying arms!!
Vitus Horsted you do not understand what it was about, moron )))
SirVixIsVexed i lol´d when i read "ukraine, georgia" dude you should really do some history readings bout leaders of SU before you post your bs
he was never in power before. he was a businessman.
poor Ukraine, invaded on so many fronts she forgets who her brothers are.
just a question - who?
Miles Caeli that's a very good question. maybe we should ask why at the same time?
oicub2 well, that would me my question, do you have an answer?
SirVixIsVexed how about russia? ---- Nato, Germany, Japan, France, Turkey.......
SirVixIsVexed yes. NATO the IMF and the EU
Kremlin Krazies in 3...2...1....
If you believe someone is crazy you must consider that this someone has same thoughts about you. Think of it.
Nice looking wood stock at 7:00
how can there be amnesty for war criminals and human rights violators ?
Right sector and nat guard get away with all their crimes!
Amnesty works only on pure idea-supporting separatists, but killers and thievs still are guilty by the law standarts.
The bigger the crime the greater the forgiveness. Murder one person, serve a life term, murder thousands and you're a hero of the homeland. The richest Nazi industrialists were recruited to US high society and took over corporate USA. You are probably in awe of the ones in your area.
***** yes we know, maidan.
***** that was Jarosh!
Why is everyone be so dramatic, the separatists want full autonomy ie being a country, and the bill will only first 3 years, and i highly doubt the sepratist would agree to the bill anyway. The fighting will start again i promise you, WW1 took a month to start (not saying a world war will start but it takes some time, my guess a week or 2 at most).
I hope you do realize that ww2 already happened in the past, and was the most massive war on the planet?
Art Tito just making a point, the way history is taught it seems like WW1 happened in a week, where it actually took about of a month to fully start.
because a lot rich people are going loss a lot money if east Ukraine gains state hood. So that is why everybody is so dramatic
nordsab1 and a lot of rich ppl are going to lose money if it doesn't become a state in Russia
iJutsu
Problem is the people down there down want be part of Keiv's Ukraine. Can't blame them 23 years and only taking steps back not forward.
Didn't they promise you EU in 2004?
Russian bots, go home
6.46 How prophetic this soldier spoke
Спасибо, Симон, настоящий профессиональный журнализм, всестороннее непредвзятое освещение событий. С удовольствием смотрю твои репортажи. Огромное спасибо за твою опасную, но очень ценную работу.
Hotfixable С чего ты решило, что я шучу, растение?
Hotfixable Не хочу тебя расстраивать, но у тебя очень деформированное представление о журналистике в частности и об устройстве этого мира в целом.
Что из сказанного мной не верно? Представление о мире? О как заговорил. А ты случаем не либераст?
Hotfixable Даже боюсь представить, что ты вкладываешь в это понятие. Если ты имеешь ввиду либерализм, то мне было бы любопытно увидеть человека, всерьёз выступающего за ограничение собственных прав и свобод. Для меня он либо полный идиот, либо по натуре паталогический раб, не представляющий, что делать со своей свободой и предпочитающий прильнуть к сапогу хозяина и выполнять его поручения за подачки.
То есть раб, выступающий за укрепление собственных оков.
Hotfixable "Единая линия пропаганды" возможна в диктаторских государствах, таких как Сев.Корея и как Россия, к сожалению, где нет свободной прессы.
Надеюсь, тебе хоть деньги за это платят.
Другого объяснения для написания подобной ереси у меня нет.
The guy @6:50.
Private jet, expensive police escort, many carriers and helpers... The Maidan revolution was all about stopping corruption, but due to the fact, that now we talk about Russia, conflict and seperatism, corruption is no longer an issue there and an oligarch is the new president of Ukraine (just like Timoshenko, Janukovich or Putin are). I wonder, which kind of oligarch will become the next prime minister of ukraine?
Putin is not an oligarch...the powerful oligarchs where exiled or imprisoned or assassinated in russia!
Putin is part of the sloviki(Powerful men/woman) they might seem like oligrachs but they are all for the most part KGB/FSB(former or not it doesn't matter) ex police or army!
They are all loyal to putin and to Russia!
After putin came to power he Took down the bigger oligrachs and banned oligarchs from politics!
thats everyone in politics everywhere..its the same shit wherever you go.. always lavish settings.. and always saying they are for the people
***** How deranged from truth are you? Ever since he became to power he has been grabbing all kinds of assets and getting stakes in gas companies etc. He is known to have at least 80 billion, but think about it how much he has hidden away. You're right Putin is not an oligach, he's a thief and a killer.
power3244 what you're talking about is not prooved. all Putin's actives juridically doesn't belong to him. maybe only unofficially, though his friendships with some of the most rich people in Russia - like Timchenko etc.
so it's all controversial to say the least.
nobody knows all the truth except Putin himself and his friends.
***** YOU MEAN CUT THROAT HE MURDERED THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES IM SURE BECAUSE THATS HOW RUSSIAN RACKETS WORKS
The intro is a perfect example as to why wars become pointless. Because it's just an eye for an eye with neither side wanting to not take revenge. Men behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives.
Hope our best for Russia, Ukraine, Europe & all over the world. May peace, wealth, water & health come to Russia, Ukraine, Europe & all over the world. Cheers!
Waiting for Dispatch 82
STOP TAKING FOREVER TO PUT THESE VIDEOS OUT! ARGGGGH!
What's up with this series? Is this the last one?
why hasnt there been another russian roulette for over 2 weeks now?
Why doesnt Vice News talk about the Right Sector? I would believe that its would be a nice topic to see both side are going to the wrong route
6:32 Mustafa detected
umm... where is episode #80? this is 81 and the last one was 79...................................................................................
is this the last dispatch from Ukraine?
Are there any new dispatches? 82?
Ukraine fight with Russia, some resultes : Ukraine lost Crimea, Eastern Regions, it's army and it's economy. Russia : didn't start to fight yet.
Hahahah! yeah, too big honor for these poor ukrs to fight Russian Army!!
FUCK UKRO-SHIT! THAT'S ALL.
Where is dispatch 80?
At the end of the video on the Chevron battalion Azov, drawn rune 2.SS-Panzergrenadier-Division Das Reich These people ordinary neo-Nazis.
I think it might be VICE news who doesn't like the new law and is only showing interviews and interviewers from people who are against this new law.
Rewind to what I said a bunch of episodes ago:
"This war is going to leave the country with fucked up tensions for a long time."
Well would you look at that. I was more right than I would ever, ever want to be. Fuck, this just makes me angry at the kind of shit that can go on. This planet sucks, I want a new one.
but the question is...Will Russian Roulette go to dispatch 100?
It's not a swastika that they're posing next to, it's a wolfsangle, a german symbol used commonly to show its a wolf trap, which is what it translates to. The black sun though is an old Slavic symbol, which is also coincidentally used by nazis. The Azov battalion is a pro-Ukrainian group and fights for Ukraine, not against it.
I love how the ukraine military is now blatantly flashing those symbols of fascism
Not just a coincidence Moldova, Georgia and now Ukraine have autonomous Pro Russian areas in their country.
Да у них свастика на флага!!! Очень разговор, какие русские войска если бы там русские войска были то киев наш бы еще весной!!!
захлебнулся бы собственной желчью, воэн
Кирилл Кошель ни разу не понял, что за комментарий!?
Ты мне скажи лучше за кой хуй наши деды этих гондонов в 1945 загосили?
Finnaly, russian roulette is here.
Mobilizing your forces? Against Russian Soldiers and Ukranian civilians... lol give me a break. This guy must be ready to die. Obviously the government in Kiev realized that there was no way that they would win by force. The DNR soldiers need to swallow their pride and behave like good western lap dogs. Good grief.
These oligarchs in both countries really insisted on this war. This all could've been solved with federalism early on...
When will more dispatch videos be release? @vicenews
Remember the good old days of vice lol. Long gone now
I would not go on that plane
looks like Ukraine blinked first
In eastern Ukraine, mass graves were discovered. Responsible are units of the new government in Kiev. Video: "OSCE reports discovery of three mass graves near Donetsk"
I don't like this "secret" law; but, I have to agree with the governor - if it brings peace without violating the territorial integrity of Ukraine, I can get behind it.
In the end if the people in those region want more independence with a valid referendum I think it's fine... The problem is that I think Russia would want to grab those regions like Crimea in further steps.
A trip in a private plane for an interview? Journalism in bed with politics again.
are you serious? like really? did you even bother to watch like 15 seconds after that?
Like to know how things are going now that the fighting is withering down, I'd like to see how negotiation are playing out and see how peace is made. Thank for all the great reporting and looking forward to dispatch 82. Thanks!!!
0:13 notice how the image changes brightness (grading) as soon as the text diappears? I've seen this all over the place on TH-cam since a few weeks. Did some major video editing software get a new feature that the users can't handle, or is this a new fad?
WHere's dispatch 80?
Why do I keep receiving "just uploaded" notifications for old videos..?
Naaw poor oligarch Taruta. He is not a governor of anything.
What happened to Dispatch 80?
Oh, sorry I found it, it just wasn't in the playlist.
I don't see a dispatch 80.
Is this the last of the dispatches? It's been a while.
* has private plane* *takes bus*
The dude in the beginning could be Simons dad.
well they are both Russian Jews...
Are they now?
6.00- шёл 2024, мужик оказался прав
Don't think your pants are tight enough.
These Battalions should really consider changing their imagery.
I find it funny how they don't even have optics on their weapons. Ukraine's Military is a joke. I feel bad for those guys fighting with all that shitty gear and minimal resources. Compare that with the Russian funded rebels and you get a bit of an unfair fight.
"They dont want us to record inside here" While recording inside.
The soldiers at the end are 100% right. Stage 1 for Putin: Completed.
Stay tuned for Stage 2!
Бредятина, а вы и рады, вам на уши лапшу вешают
Listen closely at 6:33-6:36. Is that gunfire?
If I was Ukraine I would agree to this.
Stop the war and get some peace.
I would then start building up my Military and get every kind of weapon possible.
Still waiting for an update...
When Simon was in the plane he seemed so fucking done with the Ukrainian leaders being Oligarchs, him eating the food and, playing with the window was hilarious.
Good series, hope to see more soon.
Ceasefire 'in name only,' says NATO chief
Breedlove has put the main blame on Russia for the continuing conflict.
"So the situation in Ukraine is not good right now," he said. "Basically we have a ceasefire in name only."
Breedlove said violence levels in Ukraine, including the number of artillery rounds fired in the past few days, are as high as prior to the cease-fire.
"So the ceasefire is still there in name, but what is happening on the ground is quite a different story," he said.
Right now the border is being maintained open by Russian forces and Russian-backed forces, and the fluidity of movement of Russian forces and Russian-backed forces back and forth across that border makes it almost impossible to understand the numbers www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-ceasefire-in-name-only-says-nato-chief-1.2772932
No electronic appliances on take off ))
2:05 simon hes just the best journalist ever!
It won't last.
can't wait for "War Ends: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 90)"
theres all this talk about strategy and russian intervention, but you gotta admit, it just really seems like the eastern ukrainians really dont want to be a part of ukraine. it seems like conflict like this would spring up again and again even if the ukrainians succeeded in suppressing the rebellion. at some point you need to leave aside putin and poroshenko and consider what the people want, and that seems to be separation, for whatever reason.
i hope this new deal holds and does put a stop to the fighting.
Пока месть у представителей батальонов частных военных формирований по типу "АЗОВа" получается не открывать людям глаза, а закрывать и навечно.
Simon is da man
where is Dispatch 80?
So relevant today
Brother Wars, its a shame.
Who are the two men on the Azov Battalian door?
Ukrainian Cossacks who served the Russian Empire
***** Who do you think they are then?
***** If I knew, wouldn't be asking haha
Way to go, hopefully this will put an end to all the killing!
where ae the new dispatches? :O :S
Governor has a private plane. No wonder he's so pissed about losing his constituency. If corrupt officials like him didn't exist then Ukraine might well still be united, peaceful and friendly to all.
You don't forgive them you just tolerate them. Like russia tolerates Chechen muslims.
This man with the private plane, he must be tossed in the garbage like the viral video we are watching everywhere.
7:10 ... In 1992 Ukrainian kazak mercenaries entered Moldova as separatists helped by the Russian 14th army, and took Transnistria region from Moldova. Now, feel the same thing done this time to you. How does it feel?
Simon, stay safe.
The fightings are going to flare up again, real soon.
Russian army, russian army... Show me the Russian army on Ukraine! Enough talk!
Not bad for governor to own a private jet 🛩
well 3 years can go by pretty fast
It looks like in the end the people of Eastern Ukraine and Crimea got what they voted for, at least for now. It would have saved a lot of lives and property if these elections had just been monitored and respected from the get go. We should always put the will of the people first.
i don't think this will end well at all special status to occupied lands is one thing amnesty is another but you also have the Ukrainian army shelling civilians this treaty will just divide the country further imo
When the Ukrainian army will suffer unacceptable damage, border DPR and LPR may move a couple of hundred kilometrov.A this oligarch "Governor" Taruta which in fact it is no longer, as soon as a whiff of roasted fall down over the hill, because the money it is not stored in Ukraine and a Swiss bank account. And he wanted to spit on the people, he just does not want to lose power.
But many of those who support the rebels in other regions of the country just to be afraid to go to war, because the new regime came to power through a coup to intimidate them, knowing that they may lose their home and family, but when the rebels will move ahead of their army will be rapidly replenished . Poroshenko though a fool but probably realizes that he could lose the whole country ...
So, Sudetenland is at least under Germany's control, and soon the rest of Czechoslovakia will follow. Ok, Slovakia might remain, but only as a puppet.
Wait, why am I constantly seeing similarities between this conflict and the German expansion in the 1930's?
The east was fighting for independence I wouldn't accept any peace until they recognize there sovereignty.
this is all fucked up.
I think this is the best thing that could happen. All the other options are much worse. If Poroshenko would have wanted to keep Ukraine as a unitary state it would mean many months more of fighting and innocent people dying (during winter!), and the result would be very uncertain indeed since the rebels have actually pushed the Ukrainians back in the past weeks. Giving those republics independence would be a huge defeat for Ukraine and total victory for Russia. I just hope the rebels accept this new situation and all the suffering and dying will stop. It willl be a long road to stability, but it's better than more fighting and dying.