@@uplnk_8746 He stabs Talion in the back and throws him off a tower when he should've known he would've come back to life. Bruz was a coward and a dumb one at that.
I love how "because Hideo Kojima" is a justification every single one of us will accept without batting an eye. Can you think of ANYTHING weird in a videogame you wouldn't accept if it came with that ?
@@Santisima_Trinidad that is disturbingly descriptive Just saying. I also don't think people would feel it was weird if Kojima had something to do with the story.
Talion's case is less "becoming evil" and more the Ring taking over his mind. Since he was banished from death and merged with Celebrimbor, he is already half way to a Wraith already YET he still held off both the Ring's influence (while wearing it the entire time and not just keeping it in his pocket) AND Sauron's army for decades. The dude is a god damn Champion of Good if anything.
Lance's shirtlessness was to allow evil to leave his body safely. As soon as he finished getting dressed the evil started to build up inside him, leading to villainy. The lesson is never get dressed, it only leads to bad things.
The Donkey Kong Jr. game shows us that even Mario isn't completely incorruptible, because he kidnaps Donkey Kong and it's up to Donkey Kong Jr. to try and rescue his father
Luigi wins in the end. Canonically, HE is the one who ends up with Peach, once she gets out of her on-again, off-again -affair- "getting kidnapped by" Bowser phase
Where's the part where Eltariel is revealed to be corrupted as well, but by Celebrimbor instead of Sauron? That's my only explanation for why she wanted the same Ring that drove Isildur mad and was the only thing keeping Talion from ending up as a mindless ghoul (cause we all know Sauron doesn't waste dead bodies and converts them into lifeless, mindless drones)
Literally just finished act 3 of shadow of war where talion converted to a nazgul and I have to say despite the criticism I really enjoyed his story from Nobel hero to corrupted villain . Hope he gets a redemption arc somehow.
Our beloved dark Queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn. Treacherous as the Sea. Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! Is not evil, she is "misunderstood", except by her loyal followers. Easy to join as well, would you care for this lovely hooded robe? It even comes with great accessories such as this curved -heart- walnut removing blade!
It true, he somehow makes the Yakuza seem like the most innocent thing ever when he does it, like he does bad things but yet we could never hate the guy for it. He just will always be Daddy Kiryu along with Daddy Majima who after the first game was somehow turned from the Joker into Deadpool
The Donkey Kong Jr. game shows us that even Mario isn't completely incorruptible, because he kidnaps Donkey Kong and it's up to Donkey Kong Jr. to try and rescue his father
That would had been far better choice than Super Paper Mario since Luigi in that game was forcefully brainwashed. Donkey Kong Jr, Mario IS the villain.
@@pongers5895 More likely grandfather actually because cranky is the original dk, and current dk's grandfather, meaning jr was the father... thus we can say that jumpman is likely mario's grandfather
@@Chris_Sizemore He's still alive, isn't he? Also, his survivability sure as hell ain't goin' up just by putting my flabby ass in front of his enemies.
To be fair, Eltariel wouldn’t have had to face Talion, someone who has had decades worth of experience with a ring of power and leading armies, if she had just given him back the ring he and celebrimbor made that wouldn’t corrupt him. In short, she’s part of the reason he turned evil.
The rings "bond" with different people don't they? That's why Talion loses it in the first place. Celebrimbor chooses someone else. I don't know if just giving him the ring back would even work given the way these rings seem to work.
@@smileyn7377 not so much ithink not Talion would never be corrupted if he had just one person one friend with him one ally who he could share his grief with for all those years (111 years just to be clear)
@@Santeneal Only kind of? Go boot up Mass Effect 1 and change nothing on the default character except removing hair, and tell me that isn't just science fantasy Cole McGrath. Lmao
Talion doesn't actually become evil he gets betrayed by the bright lord can't spell his name so leave me alone that's why he ends up evil because of celimbrimbro
@@unknownslayer7363 he does in the main story but in that female elf dlc they change his death up so I just chalk up the main game ending as the real ending lol
What about the tough as nails Roxas fight, and in his own game, you play as him in the beginning, and later he tries to kill you by tearing my heart to pieces!
To be fair, though, I feel Talion has a point. He fought completely alone for decades after his only two friends betrayed him, and then one of them came back and attempted to kill him.
In the first Drakengard you play as Caim, a vicious and borderline-unhinged dragoon who fights the empire. In Drakengard 2, you fight against Caim who has become slightly more vicious and lost an eye
15:00 He has one-way time travel. Meaning he can't search around for The Beast at a whim (not to mention he still ages) and he didn't know The Beast's identity, just that it would come.
Much to my sadness, my favorite fighting game protagonist Jin Kazama went for this full tilt in Tekken 6. Yes he did it for the greater good but starting a world war to vanquish an ancient god/demon is probably a bit much...
@@KaitouKaiju because all of them save heiachi is freaking insane from the demon gene. Its par for the course that if you got the gene, you gonna go super villain. Lars and Lee are proof that without it you don't go supervillain.
@@TheChaoticInsanity Heihachi is insane. Not due to the Gene but because of it. I mean he threw his own son out to die... I think he was trying to trigger it so he can try to take it from him. Kazuya was a CHILD when this happened. He couldve DIED if the trigger didn't work. Not to mention, if I remember correctly I think to seperate from the Gene back then, ,Kazuya would've died. This led to so much shit that Kazuya didn't want kids and then basically did the same to his own child. He stayed away at first cause the love of his life is like "You are not your father and you are not hurting my son" Kazuya is damaged and in a way broken. His love helped but then she died and if I remember right he somehow blames Jin which just added to the whole father son hate cycle. They need something beyond therapy and family counseling. Lee and Lars.. They also need therapy but significantly less then Jin and Kazuya. Heihachi started allllll of this. All for power. Kazuya hates Jin because of his hate for Heihachi. He does eventually want more power but that's ultimately to kill Heihachi. The origin of all the family b. S. I will admit that free for all was crazy. Kazuya and Jin temporarily midfight jumped Heihachi and was STILL fighting each other. While also like "here's a hit for you too! ".. I may have to binge some tekkan related stuff now. 😂😂
@@nellylenaj3601 Someone didn't play Tekken 7. They fleshed ALL of that out. Heihachi did the shit he did because the Devil Gene bloodline was straight up evil. His wife told him point blank that the reason she married him was so her bloodline can kill him. She failed. Heihachi threw Kazuya over a cliff because he feared the child would have the Devil Gene from his mother, making him someone that will go after him too. Kazuya lived. Heihachi wanted power, but he was never insane about it. He didn't want the Devil Gene either: would you want the power that your dead wife used to try to kill you? He wanted to wipe that power out of existence. At the end of it all, Heihachi failed to destroy the line, since Jin started a global war and Kazuya beat Heihachi and tossed him into lava. IF there's a Tekken 8, Heihachi may end up like Geese: a ghost if playable.
He was probably in one of the first two lists but what about Revan, he managed it twice becoming a hero by defeating the mandalorians before leading a sith crusade against the republic, then becoming a hero again by stopping the out of control sith lead by his former apprentice before getting imprisoned by the emperor for a couple of centuries and deciding the only rational response is to unleash a bioweapon that kills everyone with sith dna
Is it possible to count Dark Souls 3 Boss "The Soul of Cinder" in this? It is basically the accumulated bounded manifestation of every Player who linked the Fire in Dark Souls 1, including Gwyn, which can be seen by the way it fights with movesets Player Characters can use and the moveset of Gwyn he switches to in his Second Phase.
Either Mario and Pit or Link and Yoshi are very briefly villains in the campaign mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Subspace Emissary. After Bowser kidnaps whichever princess you saved in the first level, you have to fight the hero who usually saves that princess.
The real reason why kiryu and ichiban fought was because ichiban was angry and kiryu wanted ichiban to take out his frustrations on him so he wouldnt be blinded by rage with the information he was about to give him
The thing with the beast in Infamous is that Kessler didn't know who he's was or if he was a conduit. Your version of Cole became friends with him (sorta) in Infamous 2
10:35 is he REALLY as good as Kiriu if he just called in his own mini Death Star Strike?? Sure WE the hero an not a Bond Villain? Next up if haven't been done yet. Villains that lived long enough to have a "redemption" arc and became heroes
Self-fulfilling prophecy. He tried to stop the beast from ever coming into being, and Inadvertently ended up creating him instead. However, he also destroyed his own timeline by influencing his younger self and forcing him to stand and fight instead of running away.
Still wish they went with the evil ending in 2 being the canon ending and the basis for Second Son because then Kessler would have pushed his younger self on the path to become The Beast 2.0
Has Alex from Prototype been covered here yet? I mean, he was such a great character, and his fall to villainy made complete sense. Plus the games are just fun as all heck!
I think it would be funny to have a video game story where the opposite occurs, where the viilain's plan is based upon the hero successfully completely their quest, only for the hero to thwart their master plan by completely screwing up.
@@travisjordan3853 Well, the villain's plan in Underhero is an emergency backup after you ruined the first one by squishing the hero with a chandelier.
Honestly, that's a list video waiting to happen. "Times you were sent on a suicide mission, but succeeded anyway because you're the Protagonist." First few examples could be Mass Effect 2, joining the BoS from Fallout 1, and whatever happened in the MGS game in this very list.
Very enjoyable video! I often pass over list vids (not always, by any means), especially if it's full of games I don't know. But I'm glad I watched this one! It was so funny, full of sly digs and witty descriptions. I had a great time watching it 🙂 !
Talion tragic fate is like a Antihero he want to survive for his nation even ir become one with the ringwraith's, at least he found peace in the afterlife.
So, I guess everyone forgot about Snow from FFXIII. You start with him being the dorky kindhearted hero, then in FFXIII-2 he goes to find your sister just to become the patriarch of a city and get the guards to get you
Going back to splatoon 2, don't forget about the main story which the last splatfest One of the squid sisters lost and you had to battle her under said mind-control. Yo, Callie never looked more badass when she came out.
Snow Villiers from Lightning Returns; Yes, even the eternally positive "hero" becomes a villain in the final chapter of Final Fantasy XIII. 500 years after choosing to become a l'Cie again, Snow becomes the Patron of the Entertainment City of Yusnaan, where he presides over baller parties and keeping the city safe from the ever flowing Chaos. When the now savior, Lightning meets up with Snow, he's at the end of his rope and one Chaos mass away from losing control and becoming a Cieth, with the hope of Lightning killing him before he's forced to hurt those he swore to protect.
Luc from the Suikoden series should be on at least one of these list. He was a "hero" for the first two games and then BOOM final boss of the third. But it wasn't sudden at all it was a build up from the very first game
I love the „new“ form of talion…looks much better, the ghostform is no longer annoyingly blue and you can resurrect your own troops as loyal zombies 😎 I‘d still prefer Eltariel´s dark form with the same abilities though 🧐🥰
@@TupocalypseShakur And then, they'll reveal that Venom Snake wasn't ACTUALLY killed by Solid Snake, it was a secret double martian/alien cloned body double of Venom Snake, while the REAL Venom Snake was still alive, and just PRETENDED to get killed by Solid Snake so he could test out his battle skills, and see if he really was a worthy clone of Big Boss. And also Revovler Ocelot was a secret triple/double agent, who was helping both sides, and Big Boss, shows up, as Venom Snake, who was really an alien, who decided to clone himself after the REAL Venom Snake, and took his place before dying. While the real Venom Snake/Big Boss were both still alive, and touched by what this random alien dude did for them, that they couldn't turn back now, and had to keep their war going. Even though Venom and Big Boss were tired of it being this way, just to prove that their way was better than Major Zero's, and that The Boss's will deserved to be better interpreted, because Hideo Kojima's Potatoes...
I want a 3rd Shadow of Mordor. Where we play fully as Dark Talion, going through Gondor, dominating/killing his friends from the previous games. Really show how far he's fallen. Yes it'd be a massive departure from the lore, but we already have sexy Shelob
@@Canadian_Zac if they make a third game, it should should be about eltariel hunting down celebrimbor, CUZ after the ending we just see him be free and nothing else and I'm really curious what he is doing and his plans.
I'm pretty sure Kessler couldn't just go back in time to kill The Beast as a baby. He didn't even know who The Beast was. We only find out who The Beast is after he finally catches up to Cole in the second game and explains everything to Cole, something that never happens in Kesslers timeline. You know, because he constantly ran from the beast. Kessler probably didn't even need to go back in time in the first place.
The canon route for the infamous series is infamous: hero route, infamous 2 Villan Route, infamous second son... There's not a game after that so... No canon route yet.
Hero of Kvatch becoming Sheogorath and appearing in Skyrim. While technically not a full villain, he does keep you in the mind of Pelagius and makes you do a lot of tasks. You don’t fight him directly, but he is an obstacle to overcome. Furthermore Sheogorath remembers being the Hero of Kvatch based on his dialogue about the oblivion crisis. So technically speaking, the Hero of Kvatch did become a villain eventually.
Not wanting to kill the last Dragonborn, doesn't really redeem being the mantle of a daedric lord. That said the Hero of Kvatch might have had a hand in ending the Oblivion crisis, but might also have championed for other daedric lords, and had a bit of an assassination streak. So you know, depending on which stories we tell of them, was the villain all along.
@@jotarokujo4727 As I said, depending on your story, but yes if our character did all the villainous things while stopping the world from ending and perhaps ends up like Miraak. Then the last DB is very much the villain. For Skyrim you could even argue for trying to do the right thing and still sowing instability.
Loved infamous but if you really want blurred lines between Good and evil I'd recommend the legacy of kain series. Is it good turned evil or evil turned good or does none of it even matter, a story where the main character kills himself from another time knowing it's himself and you partake in this feeling righteous colluding with the villain you once so eagerly sought to destroy. Time is but a loop, a loose stitch in the universal cloth, a streamer might seize upon a chance, a fatal slip and plunge the fate of planets into chaos.
21:54 and technically he did. Sometime after his defeat in Zanzibar Land, Big Boss's body was recovered by the Patriots. Despite suffering major injuries, he was still alive [Tis but a scratch]. The Patriots then had him injected with nanomachines in order to artificially induce a coma, preserving him as an icon for the organization.
your forgot about penelope from sly3/4 . it was a real shame that she changed into an evil one after what the cooper gang done for her. but i think bently got his revenge ;)
God I hated that. Sanzaru really just looked at her character and thought, sure let’s destroy this character and make her a villain to add emotional depth where we failed tragically. They butcher her character and turn them into a boring stab in the back that seriously pissed me off.
Sif the Great Grey Wolf in Dark Souls. Chronologically speaking, you rescued her and fought Manus by her side in Oolicile to avenge Artorias but when you have to claim the covenant of Artorias to link the first flame you have to fight her if you want it.
It's annoying that the only thing I can do anymore is like the video, since I've already subscribed, set notifications to 'All', and watched every video of OXbox and OXtra.
Would Sarah Kerrigan from the Starcraft games count? there IS that whole "Being turned into a member of the alien species you were set out to destroy after being betrayed by your leader" thing
There is reason. They needed a villain :D Also, in one comic before Prototype 2, Alex change. He wanted to find something good in humans, but instead he found out, that they are greedy, selfish and corrupt.
The game won't be out for a long time but my vote for the ultimate hero turned (thoroughly tragic) villain is our dear, sweet Dread Wolf. My poor boy. They're going to make me kill him, aren't they?
All of my Skyrim characters once I run out of interesting quests
100th like 1st reply.
@@Sparra.19 thanks, the comment did feel a bit lonely without a comment section!
yee
But they don't then try to kill you.
@@kyleanderson449 theres probably a mod for that.
Poor talion man...guy got betrayed,left for dead and still decided "Nobody will hold back mordor's army...fine I'll do it myself!"
Litterally sacrificed everything down to his very soul to do the right thing, selfless and brave right to the end
Then he wrecked my shit in the boss fight
@@nerosoul2506 lmao
@@nerosoul2506 honestly, would have been awsome if you inpy had one attempt and there was a different outcome on loss.
@@troyscribner4342 no, the outcome was good, he was finally reunited with his family, after what seemed like a hundred years of fighting ALONE.
“Dark Lord, Bright Lord, same thing really”- Bruz
@Noah Leopold he defended the fort like it was his....
@@uplnk_8746 He stabs Talion in the back and throws him off a tower when he should've known he would've come back to life. Bruz was a coward and a dumb one at that.
@@Raxtalion That’s why you Shame him
@Noah Leopold correction "Bru WAS your boy"
No, Bruz IS my boy. I delevel him until I can dominate him again. Not only is he a broken mess, but I throw him at my enemies to make the point.
Kratos was the villain who lived long enough to see himself become the hero
So that goes if your a villain?
@@FlREDEGREE
Apparently
Yea
Boi
He has never been a hero, just a man tired of seeing destruction around him. He only remembers what he has lost.
" Mario is Luigi's much more capable brother "
*Meanwhile Luigi is saving the whole world from an evil ghost by using only a fucking vacuum*
And Mario can’t even stop peach getting kidnapped for 5 seconds
@@stevefilms1997 exactly
Ghostbusters would like to recruit him
Yeah plus everyone calls Mario "Jumpman" when Luigi has been shown multiple times that he can jump higher, with only a sacrifice in traction
@@cold-bloodedbeats4139 that old mario party manual stated luigi is smarter than mario.
I would make the argument that Talion is still the hero because I still wanted Eltariel dead and it was her fault we were in that situation.
Thank you for seeing that
But also Cal fault, Talion wanted to end Sauron but he was "I want his power"
Talion was betrayed.. i dont blame him for seeking vengeance.
Wasn’t it celebrimbor that crafted the rings so wouldn’t it be his fault?
Just because the Elves are assholes doesn't make them villains. That being said Calebrimbor (or however you spell his name) is totally a villain.
I love how "because Hideo Kojima" is a justification every single one of us will accept without batting an eye. Can you think of ANYTHING weird in a videogame you wouldn't accept if it came with that ?
Someone getting the skin flayed from there legs and having ground black pepper rubbed into the newly exposed flesh.
@@Santisima_Trinidad Eh, I can live with that.
@@notforsaletoday1895 it's the flaying that the problem, it's the pepper.
@@Santisima_Trinidad that is disturbingly descriptive Just saying. I also don't think people would feel it was weird if Kojima had something to do with the story.
@@thecommonman9524 again, it's the pepper that's weird. The flaying is fairly standard torture.
Talion's case is less "becoming evil" and more the Ring taking over his mind. Since he was banished from death and merged with Celebrimbor, he is already half way to a Wraith already YET he still held off both the Ring's influence (while wearing it the entire time and not just keeping it in his pocket) AND Sauron's army for decades. The dude is a god damn Champion of Good if anything.
Lance's shirtlessness was to allow evil to leave his body safely. As soon as he finished getting dressed the evil started to build up inside him, leading to villainy. The lesson is never get dressed, it only leads to bad things.
BISH IM ALWAYS NAKED AT HOME
I guess Lance's theme song, "I'm Too Sexy" finally got to him.
The Donkey Kong Jr. game shows us that even Mario isn't completely incorruptible, because he kidnaps Donkey Kong and it's up to Donkey Kong Jr. to try and rescue his father
Become a nudist.
We have always known Luigi is a villain ever since the Death Stare.
And don’t you forget it
And cold killer sniper rifle
It wasn't being compared to Mario that drove Luigi to evil, it was the Cart Racing.
Luigi wins in the end. Canonically, HE is the one who ends up with Peach, once she gets out of her on-again, off-again -affair- "getting kidnapped by" Bowser phase
Luigi is the most scariest Titan that Godzilla has ever fought
Good to see my boi Talion’s character arc getting a bit of love
Yep
Yessir
Yessir
Where's the part where Eltariel is revealed to be corrupted as well, but by Celebrimbor instead of Sauron? That's my only explanation for why she wanted the same Ring that drove Isildur mad and was the only thing keeping Talion from ending up as a mindless ghoul (cause we all know Sauron doesn't waste dead bodies and converts them into lifeless, mindless drones)
Literally just finished act 3 of shadow of war where talion converted to a nazgul and I have to say despite the criticism I really enjoyed his story from Nobel hero to corrupted villain . Hope he gets a redemption arc somehow.
"Oh no he's monologuing"
This is now the second sequel to a video about turning evil, one of them has definitely heel turned into an ‘Evil Mike’ or an ‘Evil Andy’ or a ‘Jane’
Jane is influencing the rest of the group
You can't turn evil if you're already evil. Right Jane?
Our beloved dark Queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn. Treacherous as the Sea. Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! Is not evil, she is "misunderstood", except by her loyal followers. Easy to join as well, would you care for this lovely hooded robe? It even comes with great accessories such as this curved -heart- walnut removing blade!
Jane is beyond good or evil.
I wonder how an Evil Mike would be…can‘t be that much worse in terms of violence 😂
Can’t corrupt my baby boy Kiryu. He is as pure as they come.
It true, he somehow makes the Yakuza seem like the most innocent thing ever when he does it, like he does bad things but yet we could never hate the guy for it. He just will always be Daddy Kiryu along with Daddy Majima who after the first game was somehow turned from the Joker into Deadpool
@@utswriter I hope Majima stays the crazy lovable bastard he always has been in this new game.
wow first time i've gotten a like, while watching the video that the comment was in.
@@utswriter so from crazy villain to crazy anti-hero, well it's a start
I mean, he uses his fists to get to know someone... Doesn't sound so pure to me.
The Donkey Kong Jr. game shows us that even Mario isn't completely incorruptible, because he kidnaps Donkey Kong and it's up to Donkey Kong Jr. to try and rescue his father
That would had been far better choice than Super Paper Mario since Luigi in that game was forcefully brainwashed. Donkey Kong Jr, Mario IS the villain.
That was daddy mario though.
That was Mario's dad
@@pongers5895 More likely grandfather actually because cranky is the original dk, and current dk's grandfather, meaning jr was the father... thus we can say that jumpman is likely mario's grandfather
@@nerosoul2506 I think humans live longer than apes, so it might be his dad
The most important thing is that Kiryu is best boi who should be protected at all cost 😊
I think Kiryu can protect himself better than we could. He _is_ very good at fighting, after all.
Yeah kiryu good
(looks at history of Yakuza 0 to 6) doesn't look like we've done a good job of that...
@@Chris_Sizemore He's still alive, isn't he?
Also, his survivability sure as hell ain't goin' up just by putting my flabby ass in front of his enemies.
Yeah Kiryu's not a villain at all, it was kind of Ichiban in the wrong there
Gonna start calling andy “quiet mike” if he keeps us this green mario insult
"hipster Mike" if you wanna rile him up 😜
@@sourcererseven3858 or goth Mike
How about just....not mike. It doesnt even describe him in any way. Just says what he isnt.
Just shoot him
Other Mike
To be fair, Eltariel wouldn’t have had to face Talion, someone who has had decades worth of experience with a ring of power and leading armies, if she had just given him back the ring he and celebrimbor made that wouldn’t corrupt him. In short, she’s part of the reason he turned evil.
The rings "bond" with different people don't they? That's why Talion loses it in the first place. Celebrimbor chooses someone else. I don't know if just giving him the ring back would even work given the way these rings seem to work.
I totally agree my man Talion is as pure noble kind and caring as they come
HAIL THE GRAVEWALKER HAIL THE TRUE LORD OF MORDOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Celebrimbor would influence him one way or another.
Plus she's the one who fucking stabbed him
@@smileyn7377 not so much ithink not
Talion would never be corrupted if he had just one person one friend with him one ally who he could share his grief with for all those years (111 years just to be clear)
"Hideo Kojima is on a one-man quest to create the most convoluted and complex chronology possible .... succeeding also." 😂👏🏼
"Oh no he's monologing"
Me when my teacher lectures us about science then escalates when his wife is cheating on him with a fish
"Green Mario?" How very dare you, Mr. Farrant.
More like Red Luigi 😆
@@sacrilegiousboi Damn straight!
I’m gonna start calling andy “quiet mike” to counter these insults
@@sniperluigi8507 mom mike bc hes so careful in games lol
@@sniperluigi8507 He should know better than to get on your bad side 😉
Glad to see people are still talking about inFamous even after all this time.
InFamous was and is my favourite game not to mention my first ps game.have you played first and second son as Delson is also cool
Jane’s description of Cole McGrath’s physical appearance may be the most accurate thing I’ve heard on TH-cam in a long, long time.
Yes
I hate that she is kind of right...
@@Santeneal Only kind of? Go boot up Mass Effect 1 and change nothing on the default character except removing hair, and tell me that isn't just science fantasy Cole McGrath. Lmao
Pretty sure Wheatley from Portal 2 was programmed with good intentions, before the massive power corrupting thing went to its head
*Sees Talion in the thumbnail* Oh boy, this means I get to listen to them say "Celebrimbor" more : D
Another thing with Kiryu that stays true to his character: He doesnt hit woman. He wont attack Seiko or Eri in that boss fight.
now that's sticking to your morals
Maybe that’s why you can’t switch out kasuga
@@unstable875 If she attacks you, you attack her. Equity is the key.
**remembers him slapping little girl**
@@korhol2065 You can't switch Kasuga at all, during all the game
Talion doesn't actually become evil he gets betrayed by the bright lord can't spell his name so leave me alone that's why he ends up evil because of celimbrimbro
Pretty sure getting corrupted by isildur's ring makes you evil
@@fitzviandraduivenab2790 yep
@@fitzviandraduivenab2790 the endings cannon get the true ending and you’ll see he doesn’t become evil
@@markmajor9510 the true ending? The one where he finally became a ringwraith? Pretty sure that's quite evil.
@@fitzviandraduivenab2790 elf dlc ending is the real ending
Bru all I got to say is that Talion didn't deserve what he got
At least he gets to die at the end of shadow of war
Does he not end up in their heaven and goes to his wife and son?
@@ragnarokpxn5196 some people say he did. Others say he didn't. But in reality, his watch was long done and he deserved his rest
@@unknownslayer7363 he does in the main story but in that female elf dlc they change his death up so I just chalk up the main game ending as the real ending lol
yeah but it was his fate and nothing could change it im actually glad he died because in the cutscene he looks happy that hes finally dead
Is it just me, or was Talion’s transition to the Nazgûl deeply saddening?
What about the tough as nails Roxas fight, and in his own game, you play as him in the beginning, and later he tries to kill you by tearing my heart to pieces!
And then there's Terra.
To be fair, though, I feel Talion has a point. He fought completely alone for decades after his only two friends betrayed him, and then one of them came back and attempted to kill him.
"Using your fists to get to know someone".....
Have we slipped into Luke's weird fan fiction again?
Nope, this is deep in Yakuza's backyard. Apparently beating the crap out of each other is how you show respect in Yakuza.
@@Chris_Sizemore Phew! That's a relief.
So the Yakuza learned from the Takamichi School of Befriending?
Where do you think Luke got it from?
Castlevania: Lords of Shadows has you play as hero Gabriel Belmont and in Lords of Shadows 2 you’ve become primary antagonist Dracula.
Villain; yes. Antagonist; no. You're still the protagonist of the game, even if you're the bad guy.
@@SapphireDragon357 antagonist of the series tho no
That romantic dying scene music in contra is *chef kiss* perfect. like a lawnmower falling down some stairs, blitzing some slinkys along the way
*Sees the list has Venom Snake*
*Cries in Last Days of Outer Heaven*
That's an amazing animation.
In the first Drakengard you play as Caim, a vicious and borderline-unhinged dragoon who fights the empire. In Drakengard 2, you fight against Caim who has become slightly more vicious and lost an eye
I forgot how insane everyone was in the fist Drakengard game especially compared to how tame the 2nd game was by comparison.
Pretty sure that none of _Drakengard's_ protagonists were actually heroes.
It would be funny if Talion found a loop hole so whenever the ring started affecting him, he would just take it off and put it back on
He would die if he took it off, as he wore it to avoid dying in the first place
@@julienmorozof8082 Well yeah but he was fine for like 10 minutes before he actually put the ring on
@@Icarus_Qwq true true
15:00 He has one-way time travel. Meaning he can't search around for The Beast at a whim (not to mention he still ages) and he didn't know The Beast's identity, just that it would come.
If only the Badguy Hero had the save point reload power too. Infinite time loop.
Undertale.
@@SapphireDragon357 and the movie variation “edge of tomorrow”
@@fataconsilium4890 oh very true. Good one.
@@fataconsilium4890 Is that a bad movie?
Much to my sadness, my favorite fighting game protagonist Jin Kazama went for this full tilt in Tekken 6. Yes he did it for the greater good but starting a world war to vanquish an ancient god/demon is probably a bit much...
Pretty much all the Mishima men are this
@@KaitouKaiju because all of them save heiachi is freaking insane from the demon gene. Its par for the course that if you got the gene, you gonna go super villain. Lars and Lee are proof that without it you don't go supervillain.
@@TheChaoticInsanity Heihachi is insane. Not due to the Gene but because of it. I mean he threw his own son out to die... I think he was trying to trigger it so he can try to take it from him. Kazuya was a CHILD when this happened. He couldve DIED if the trigger didn't work. Not to mention, if I remember correctly I think to seperate from the Gene back then,
,Kazuya would've died. This led to so much shit that Kazuya didn't want kids and then basically did the same to his own child. He stayed away at first cause the love of his life is like "You are not your father and you are not hurting my son" Kazuya is damaged and in a way broken. His love helped but then she died and if I remember right he somehow blames Jin which just added to the whole father son hate cycle. They need something beyond therapy and family counseling. Lee and Lars.. They also need therapy but significantly less then Jin and Kazuya. Heihachi started allllll of this. All for power. Kazuya hates Jin because of his hate for Heihachi. He does eventually want more power but that's ultimately to kill Heihachi. The origin of all the family b. S. I will admit that free for all was crazy. Kazuya and Jin temporarily midfight jumped Heihachi and was STILL fighting each other. While also like "here's a hit for you too! ".. I may have to binge some tekkan related stuff now. 😂😂
@@nellylenaj3601 Someone didn't play Tekken 7. They fleshed ALL of that out. Heihachi did the shit he did because the Devil Gene bloodline was straight up evil. His wife told him point blank that the reason she married him was so her bloodline can kill him. She failed. Heihachi threw Kazuya over a cliff because he feared the child would have the Devil Gene from his mother, making him someone that will go after him too. Kazuya lived. Heihachi wanted power, but he was never insane about it. He didn't want the Devil Gene either: would you want the power that your dead wife used to try to kill you? He wanted to wipe that power out of existence. At the end of it all, Heihachi failed to destroy the line, since Jin started a global war and Kazuya beat Heihachi and tossed him into lava. IF there's a Tekken 8, Heihachi may end up like Geese: a ghost if playable.
@@TheChaoticInsanity I wasn't able to get 7 yet. So wow. They revamped it. I went off the movies and old games.
I've always found it funny how for someone with his throat slit, Talion does a lot of deep breathing whenever the ring is taken from him.
He was probably in one of the first two lists but what about Revan, he managed it twice becoming a hero by defeating the mandalorians before leading a sith crusade against the republic, then becoming a hero again by stopping the out of control sith lead by his former apprentice before getting imprisoned by the emperor for a couple of centuries and deciding the only rational response is to unleash a bioweapon that kills everyone with sith dna
First list
I don't deem the Eternal Empire storyline as "canon", even in Legends standards.
@@michaelandreipalon359 no offense but what does that have to do with Revan?
Is it possible to count Dark Souls 3 Boss "The Soul of Cinder" in this?
It is basically the accumulated bounded manifestation of every Player who linked the Fire in Dark Souls 1, including Gwyn, which can be seen by the way it fights with movesets Player Characters can use and the moveset of Gwyn he switches to in his Second Phase.
Either Mario and Pit or Link and Yoshi are very briefly villains in the campaign mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl: The Subspace Emissary. After Bowser kidnaps whichever princess you saved in the first level, you have to fight the hero who usually saves that princess.
The real reason why kiryu and ichiban fought was because ichiban was angry and kiryu wanted ichiban to take out his frustrations on him so he wouldnt be blinded by rage with the information he was about to give him
"who looks like someone chose all the default options on a character creator and called it a day" LMAO
The thing with the beast in Infamous is that Kessler didn't know who he's was or if he was a conduit. Your version of Cole became friends with him (sorta) in Infamous 2
6:40 That kind of mechanic, where Evil!MC's fighting style is based on how you played them as the protagonist would be horrifying. I want it.
Kasuga and his friends: Attack
Kiryu-chan: *RESIST*
10:35 is he REALLY as good as Kiriu if he just called in his own mini Death Star Strike?? Sure WE the hero an not a Bond Villain?
Next up if haven't been done yet. Villains that lived long enough to have a "redemption" arc and became heroes
There´s "7 times your mortal enemy became your best friend in the sequel"...
The ironic thing about Kessler is that he sort of inadvertently creates the beast by travelling back in time.
Self-fulfilling prophecy. He tried to stop the beast from ever coming into being, and Inadvertently ended up creating him instead. However, he also destroyed his own timeline by influencing his younger self and forcing him to stand and fight instead of running away.
The beast was going to be created anyways, it was just accelerated.
Still wish they went with the evil ending in 2 being the canon ending and the basis for Second Son because then Kessler would have pushed his younger self on the path to become The Beast 2.0
Corrupty? That’s a new one... “Gollumy” I’ve definitely used myself in the past, though.
Has Alex from Prototype been covered here yet? I mean, he was such a great character, and his fall to villainy made complete sense. Plus the games are just fun as all heck!
Ikr
first character i thought off when i saw the vid title, i actually played prototype 2 first
I don't think Mr L really counts because Luigi was brainwashed into the role.
Or had his true self brought out
He probably welcomed the darkness with arms wide open. There's only so much punishment for being the younger brother one can take
I mean technically then Talion was also brai washed
The true villain is always the boss who sent us on the mission convinced we would fail... jokes on them!
I think it would be funny to have a video game story where the opposite occurs, where the viilain's plan is based upon the hero successfully completely their quest, only for the hero to thwart their master plan by completely screwing up.
@@travisjordan3853 For some reason I think of Conker's Bad Fur Day
@@travisjordan3853 Well, the villain's plan in Underhero is an emergency backup after you ruined the first one by squishing the hero with a chandelier.
Damn you, Big Boss, Patriot GW A.I., Captain Blue, and countless others.
Honestly, that's a list video waiting to happen. "Times you were sent on a suicide mission, but succeeded anyway because you're the Protagonist." First few examples could be Mass Effect 2, joining the BoS from Fallout 1, and whatever happened in the MGS game in this very list.
What's more unsurvivable than one explosion? TWO EXPLOSIONS!!!
Ha, tell that to Palpatine.
Very enjoyable video! I often pass over list vids (not always, by any means), especially if it's full of games I don't know. But I'm glad I watched this one! It was so funny, full of sly digs and witty descriptions. I had a great time watching it 🙂 !
Talion tragic fate is like a Antihero he want to survive for his nation even ir become one with the ringwraith's, at least he found peace in the afterlife.
The beast is also Cole but from a timeline where he went evil. You can see it if you do the evil choices you look like the beast from the cinematic
The Beast is John White not Cole.
@@CosmicGoku529 He IS in the bad ending
So, I guess everyone forgot about Snow from FFXIII. You start with him being the dorky kindhearted hero, then in FFXIII-2 he goes to find your sister just to become the patriarch of a city and get the guards to get you
And in Lightning Returns he basically becomes an early game baddie going hand to hand with a prophet
"I need to beat a guy.. to get to know him.."
Kiryu: casually enters a room by kicking in the door
hey he had to save Detective Date from getting cut up by his daughter's scumbag boyfriend
Going back to splatoon 2, don't forget about the main story which the last splatfest One of the squid sisters lost and you had to battle her under said mind-control. Yo, Callie never looked more badass when she came out.
How about “7 times you were the villain, oops” like in oblivion during the dark brotherhood quest line
You could've just said "during the Dark Brotherhood questlines"
Snow Villiers from Lightning Returns; Yes, even the eternally positive "hero" becomes a villain in the final chapter of Final Fantasy XIII. 500 years after choosing to become a l'Cie again, Snow becomes the Patron of the Entertainment City of Yusnaan, where he presides over baller parties and keeping the city safe from the ever flowing Chaos. When the now savior, Lightning meets up with Snow, he's at the end of his rope and one Chaos mass away from losing control and becoming a Cieth, with the hope of Lightning killing him before he's forced to hurt those he swore to protect.
Talion’s story is just really tragic.
Luc from the Suikoden series should be on at least one of these list. He was a "hero" for the first two games and then BOOM final boss of the third. But it wasn't sudden at all it was a build up from the very first game
Him wanting to avert a future using very questionable means was kinda dumb on his part...
While I like that you mentioned Luc here, I would have gone with Jowy from 2 instead.
My man talion did it right, dude fought his ring, the ringwraiths, and the uruk hoardes for decades before succumbing to the ring.
Shadow of war is so good bro, one of my favorite games.
Same, dude.
Same, dude.
Still playing it. I hope we get a third one
Except baranor and idril. Their personalities are that of a blank sheet of paper
I just finished the story
8:05 I guess it means you, the player, were "the limiter" 😂
I love the „new“ form of talion…looks much better, the ghostform is no longer annoyingly blue and you can resurrect your own troops as loyal zombies 😎
I‘d still prefer Eltariel´s dark form with the same abilities though 🧐🥰
Finally, something about inFamous that I've be wanting to see for a while!
I love the song at the end of the Shadow of War true ending: Fires of War by Yakov Al
Until Konami remakes the original Metal Gear revealing that Venom Snake was a martian clone all along.
Does that mean he'll be Gas Snake or Plasma Snake
@@TupocalypseShakur And then, they'll reveal that Venom Snake wasn't ACTUALLY killed by Solid Snake, it was a secret double martian/alien cloned body double of Venom Snake, while the REAL Venom Snake was still alive, and just PRETENDED to get killed by Solid Snake so he could test out his battle skills, and see if he really was a worthy clone of Big Boss. And also Revovler Ocelot was a secret triple/double agent, who was helping both sides, and Big Boss, shows up, as Venom Snake, who was really an alien, who decided to clone himself after the REAL Venom Snake, and took his place before dying. While the real Venom Snake/Big Boss were both still alive, and touched by what this random alien dude did for them, that they couldn't turn back now, and had to keep their war going. Even though Venom and Big Boss were tired of it being this way, just to prove that their way was better than Major Zero's, and that The Boss's will deserved to be better interpreted, because Hideo Kojima's Potatoes...
R.I.P talion
You deserved better
I want a 3rd Shadow of Mordor. Where we play fully as Dark Talion, going through Gondor, dominating/killing his friends from the previous games.
Really show how far he's fallen.
Yes it'd be a massive departure from the lore, but we already have sexy Shelob
@@Canadian_Zac if they make a third game, it should should be about eltariel hunting down celebrimbor, CUZ after the ending we just see him be free and nothing else and I'm really curious what he is doing and his plans.
@@mystic1360 Celebrimbor isn't free at the end.
He's merged with Sauron
@@Canadian_Zac Have you seen the Eltariel Dlc ending?
@@mystic1360 I believe so, though i have been trying to repress it. All i remember is Eltariel heading to Mount Doom or something like that
I'm pretty sure Kessler couldn't just go back in time to kill The Beast as a baby. He didn't even know who The Beast was. We only find out who The Beast is after he finally catches up to Cole in the second game and explains everything to Cole, something that never happens in Kesslers timeline. You know, because he constantly ran from the beast. Kessler probably didn't even need to go back in time in the first place.
The canon route for the infamous series is infamous: hero route, infamous 2 Villan Route, infamous second son... There's not a game after that so... No canon route yet.
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." -Harvey Dent, The Dark Knight
Hero of Kvatch becoming Sheogorath and appearing in Skyrim. While technically not a full villain, he does keep you in the mind of Pelagius and makes you do a lot of tasks. You don’t fight him directly, but he is an obstacle to overcome. Furthermore Sheogorath remembers being the Hero of Kvatch based on his dialogue about the oblivion crisis. So technically speaking, the Hero of Kvatch did become a villain eventually.
He still give you the wabajack
Not wanting to kill the last Dragonborn, doesn't really redeem being the mantle of a daedric lord. That said the Hero of Kvatch might have had a hand in ending the Oblivion crisis, but might also have championed for other daedric lords, and had a bit of an assassination streak. So you know, depending on which stories we tell of them, was the villain all along.
@@insaincaldo So the last Dragonborn also count as a vilain cause he is the champion of the Daedric Prince and the man who killed the emperor
@@jotarokujo4727 As I said, depending on your story, but yes if our character did all the villainous things while stopping the world from ending and perhaps ends up like Miraak. Then the last DB is very much the villain. For Skyrim you could even argue for trying to do the right thing and still sowing instability.
@@insaincaldo So we can say that the Hero of Kvatch became Sheogorath 2.0 and The last Dragonborn became Miraak 2.0
Loved infamous but if you really want blurred lines between Good and evil I'd recommend the legacy of kain series. Is it good turned evil or evil turned good or does none of it even matter, a story where the main character kills himself from another time knowing it's himself and you partake in this feeling righteous colluding with the villain you once so eagerly sought to destroy.
Time is but a loop, a loose stitch in the universal cloth, a streamer might seize upon a chance, a fatal slip and plunge the fate of planets into chaos.
21:54 and technically he did. Sometime after his defeat in Zanzibar Land, Big Boss's body was recovered by the Patriots. Despite suffering major injuries, he was still alive [Tis but a scratch]. The Patriots then had him injected with nanomachines in order to artificially induce a coma, preserving him as an icon for the organization.
you're talking about naked snake, venom was the double they were talking about
@@saiyanfang1047 Yes your right, I mistook him for Solidus Snake with whole body doable thing.
"There's got to be a better way of phrasing that, my dude."
My goodness, Andy! 😂😂😂
19:40 No, that honour goes to Tetsuya Nomura...
Talion more lived enough times to see himself become the villain
In cases of heroes becoming villains, I can't count it if they were brainwashed
your forgot about penelope from sly3/4 . it was a real shame that she changed into an evil one after what the cooper gang done for her. but i think bently got his revenge ;)
God I hated that. Sanzaru really just looked at her character and thought, sure let’s destroy this character and make her a villain to add emotional depth where we failed tragically. They butcher her character and turn them into a boring stab in the back that seriously pissed me off.
Luigi stared in his own game way back on the NES... it's called, "Mario is Missing," and it's TERRIBLE, lol. XD
Sif the Great Grey Wolf in Dark Souls. Chronologically speaking, you rescued her and fought Manus by her side in Oolicile to avenge Artorias but when you have to claim the covenant of Artorias to link the first flame you have to fight her if you want it.
Well that is more like... The Yakuza situation, since Sif is pretty much trying to protect you.
@@youkofoxy there's also Solaire
It's annoying that the only thing I can do anymore is like the video, since I've already subscribed, set notifications to 'All', and watched every video of OXbox and OXtra.
Could watch their streams and give them money. Gotta go the extra mile.
9:00 **Squealing Dragon Girl Noises**
If you get the reference...
11:07 Oh my! This is the true VA that brings out the true kindness under the roughness in disguises.
It’s really weird to hear the yakuza characters speaking English since in most of the games they only speak japanese
I really like how they actually did kiryu in like a dragon right by having him beat your ass as it should be instead of going for halo 5
huh, I literally just beat shadow of war. talk about timing.
Would Sarah Kerrigan from the Starcraft games count? there IS that whole "Being turned into a member of the alien species you were set out to destroy after being betrayed by your leader" thing
honestly tho, Zeke kinda needed to do SOMETHING to redeem himself after what he did (tho the comics actually do it better tbh)
Speaking of Mario jumping up the skyscraper in Luigi's Mansion 3, it bugged the heck out of me. Luigi's a better jumper than Mario!
What about Alex Mercer from prototype. He was... well trying to save everyone in part one, the part two he wants everyone dead for no reason.
There is reason. They needed a villain :D
Also, in one comic before Prototype 2, Alex change.
He wanted to find something good in humans, but instead he found out, that they are greedy, selfish and corrupt.
Wasn't he the cause of the events in the 1st game?
Yeh by accident he did but then he saves the city only to ruin it again in the second and yeh but still made the hero a villain for a good reason hah
The game won't be out for a long time but my vote for the ultimate hero turned (thoroughly tragic) villain is our dear, sweet Dread Wolf. My poor boy. They're going to make me kill him, aren't they?
What could possibly be stronger than a flurry of punches and kicks?
*Cue Essence of Orbital Laser*
Ah, I see.
Do we have to put "Essence" in the Orbital Laser Satellite's designation?