What's in Labour's new Employment Rights bill?
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- Labour’s employment rights bill is a big step towards making sweeping changes to rights at work and improvements to pay.
But what's in it?
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6:40 I work from home. You CANNOT look after a child at the same time. You STILL need childcare. I fear my work from home will get taken away because of that belief.
Perhaps it just takes away the need for childcare when you would have been commuting (which is an hour each way for many people) and working from home does allow more people to do the morning school run for example. But during the actual working hours yeah childcare is still needed.
Or you could get your family to look after child. Just like most Eastern countries doe. No need for higher tax please can't afford it. 😅
@@Jamie-ro6sx what are people who have no family supposed to do? Or of their family live too far away?
@@Jamie-ro6sx what if their family works like everybody else?
The P&O scandal was shocking. People should have been jailed for that for exploitation.
I love working from home, it works well with my disabilities and im more productive because of it. I cant afford housing where my work is (got the job during lockdown, and have since gotten married, no longer living in my parents house), so travelling to work uses up a lot of my brain power before and after work...its exhausing.
Also, going into the office feels pointless if the rest of my team aren't there....I just end up sitting in a random space (therefore not consistent equipment), trying to be hear on a Teams call, while also trying not to be too loud and disturb others. Not ideal, when I could be having a better time at home, keeping my pets company.
I might be wrong, but I think under disability working from home qualifies as a reasonable adjustment. A former employer told me it was a flexible working request, but I don't think that was true, particularly as they later allowed me to work from home full time, down from 1day/week in the office (under flexible working request).
Totally with you about how exhausting travelling to/from work can be, as well as dealing with the office environment.
The right to switch off should not be about stopping people from contacting each other after work hours - it's about allowing people to decide not to answer/engage in those discussions after hours without being reprimanded for it. I also think it should include the right not to use your personal hardware and number for work reasons, the number or companies I deal with that force you to provide your personal number and then contact you on it to discuss work - further still these is a major raise in installation of monitoring and work applications on personal devices.
Does the right to disconnect include teachers?....Would be nice to get my husband back in the evening ahaha
Australia has/had a version of zero hours that i really liked when I lived there - Casual Work Contract. Ot was zero guaranteed hours, but you got other benefits that motivate the employer to give a proper contact. So where minimum wage was something like $14 an hour, on this casual work you got $20 min an hour. Also a set if other benefits - like you can cancel you shift up to an hour before atart time and not get fired or in trouble.
That makes some sense for me, I'm generally pretty wary of overregulating work (having worked in France, where you couldn't fire someone if they took a whizz on your desk), but it stands to reason that you should pay extra if you're requiring someone provide you an extra service (flexibility). It's kinda like doctors getting paid to be on call.
I'm a younger millenial and started a new job working from home during the pandemic. Absolutely adore my job and managed to get promoted at the first attempt as soon as I was eligible so it hasn't hindered career progression in the slightest. I chat to my co-workers every single day while WFH and it's genuinely productive chat, not the boring small talk that I used to get in my old workplaces. My organisation have since changed to a hybrid policy where I now have to go into the office once a month. There is no one in my entire division based at the same site as me. On my last office day, the ONLY person I spoke to all day was the barista when I bought my morning coffee. Whole day in the office surrounded by people and no one said a word, and it wasn't through a lack of trying on my part. That is a far more isolating and depressing experience than working from home could ever possibly be. The world of work has fundamentally changed and I will fight tooth and nail to keep WFH as my default option
Sounds a bit like my workplace. Worst of both worlds. When I'm in the office it's hot desking and none of my team are in the same place so meetings still happen on teams! It's ridiculous but it's a result of them selling off the offices so they can't have fixed workstations with everyone in at once. I find it isolating and lonely.
@@IshtarNikeyep!!! And because my office is so quiet, if I need to join a Teams call I'm expected to go into what we call the 'phone boxes' - soundproofed glass pods with one or two seats in them - so I don't disturb other people who are working!! But obviously going into the office is good for social interaction and collaboration 🙄
Counterpoint: young or senior, if you depend on going into an office for human contact you need to make changes to your life. WFH allows me to train BJJ 5x a week, take my kids to clubs 3x a week, volunteer with a charity once a week and more and all practically within the time I would otherwise be wasting commuting. This is hours of quality social contact and community involvement that talking about a spreadsheet at a water cooler would be miserable compensation for.
Hard agree, if your social life revolves around being at work that is sad in itself.
I think it's different if you live alone. Sure you can do clubs or whatever. But I live alone and when I worked from home for a couple of months it would just be super depressing not talking to anyone until after 5pm everyday. If I have to be at the desk I'd rather be surrounded by colleagues to have a bit of a laugh and chat during the work day which just doesn't happen if you work from home.
I think you talk from a quite privileged position to afford to have kids and take them to clubs and have bandwidth to volunteer and socialise beyond that. Many people are exhausted after work, go home cook dinner and sleep. Having a bit of human contact during your 8hours working for me at least is very valuable to my mental health.
This is a dumb comment. Few people are entirely reliant on work for human contact. But in reality some of us are extroverts who need human contact during most of our day. I have a very active social life. I see my friends every week. But it doesn't mean that my hybrid job where it takes a whole year to properly get to know people, because they're always off at different times, is not an issue for me. I work best in person and that's just a fact. I'm not in favour of return to office mandates either, but I'm also sick of people acting like WFH is the best thing ever and should work for everyone. And if it doesn't then it's "a problem with you." Yeah, there are different sorts of people in the world and making up a strawman argument about people being reliant on work for socialising is dumb.
@@jessery475 I have the bandwidth because I'm not wasting 12-15 hours on commuting each week. I can afford kids and activities because I'm not spending £200 a week on train fares. Absolutely true that many people live isolated lives in cramped inadequate housing without any community, and that's largely so that they can go into an office job. I notice that you mention being lonely for a couple of months presumably because of lockdown WFH. That was certainly a difficult time of adjustment for many. But now, and in the long term, if you depend on your employer to pick who you have contact with and provide you with the environment to do it in then you are putting a big dependency on your employer for having a basic quality of life, and that's not good or safe really.
The argument that WFH makes people isolated drives me mad. The workplace is not the only place to interact with people. The reality is people are now lazy with making social connections and confuse having colleagues with having meaningful long lasting friendships.
@Paul. Say it louder for those at the back. They are work colleagues not friends in most cases.
Yep, also let me worry about my own sense of isolation, don't prescribe upon me a solution motivated by your economic gain under the guise that you care about my mental wellbeing.
100% I worked in offices before the pandemic, never really struck up any long term friendships with work colleagues, we went on a few social occasions that is about it. You are working, most of the time you have a little 5 minute chat about a few minor things like football or whatever for a bit, but generally you are at your desk working and they are at their desk working. Since working from home most of the time I've made more friends and seen more of my friends because I have more time to do stuff, either using that commuting time to go to clubs or whatever, or using that time to do stuff I need to do at home that frees up more time at the weekend and evenings for the kids and friends.
Just to add, since working from home I’ve never been as happy, healthy and financially secure. I have time to exercise, see family, cook healthy meals, don’t waste money commuting or leasing a car ‘because I deserve it’. Some of the most important things that add up to good mental health. Also the problem is that many of the mangers making people return to the office are completely under the illusion that a job title/big salary are things that bring fulfilment. Many have sacrificed valuable time with loved ones for a company that unbeknown to them, doesn’t give a sh!t about their wellbeing, they simply can’t comprehend any other way.
I agree that your workplace shouldn't be your main focus for social relationships, however there is a big difference between a day filled with a few casual interactions like making a round of teas, and a day when you speak to literally no-one all day (which can happen in my job). This is why I now go to a local shared office.. it's nice to be around other people who are working hard.. but since they're not my direct work colleagues there's no chance of getting collared in the corridor to talk about work stuff. It's also a nice group of people to share a pint with on a Friday!
I have the option to work from home, i think it's right that people have the option but I like going into work. I loathed being forced to work at home during covid. I like the separation of home and work, I like walking or cycling into work, I like getting to see different faces and interact with people in person. Commuting is so bad in the UK largely because of dependence and prioritisation of cars. I'm worried if working from home becomes default I'll lose the option to work somewhere else. Another step towards isolated semi-detached island living imo
unpopular opinion, but I also have a WFH option as part of my employment contract and actively chose to go in to the office nearly 100% of the time because I enjoy interacting with other people in a physical space. I find collaboration over teams sessions incredibly wasteful as you have to message them, book a diary slot, wait for the time when you're both available, jump on a call... or I could just walk over to their desk and ask them in person, get the information I need and go back to doing my job without all the faff. But I want others to have the option if it works for them :) I've even argued for the capacity to 'donate' my WFH hours to other employees.
@@PostingCringeOnMain Bro just send them a teams message it's not that deep lmao booking a meeting to ask for a piece of info hahaha embarrassing
The gay economy are on 0 hours contracts?
I thought Tory MPs were PAYE
Now I know Laura is talking about 'gig economy' but it did reeeeaallly sound like the gay economy 🤣
i heard that too.
Nothing in it regarding fixing holiday entitlement. I work 48 hours a week and only get 22.4 days off which is not enough and I can't even get the 0.4 off employers won't round it up to a day and they will only let me use it if I take a whole shift off. So I end up losing more money.
As a student, I'm glad zero hour contracts aren't being entirely banned. Having a varied timetable each week, zero-hours are fantastic for me as I can pick up work where I can. On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to survive if I wasn't a student and on a zero-hour. This is the right decision. Taking it away from people who want it is a bad idea. They've handled this the right way.
As for the right to switch off, the way my workplace does it is really simple and effective. Send emails out of hours and don't expect a response. I have sent emails to people at ridiculous hours after office time and would never expect someone to reply. If they do, they can and should still have that right, but there is no expectation for them to. To ban sending out of hours emails would just be a pointless inconvenience.
I agree with your stance on out of hours emails especially as someone who has worked in 24hr operations for years it's just part and parcel of the job that emails are coming in 24/7. You just answer them when you clock on unless the place is on fire/flooded (have exp of this happening).
Totally agree on the emails thing. We have really varied work patterns in my job - some people are finished at 2pm, others work on till 10pm. Most managers have something in their email signature that says 'I sent this at a time that fits with my working pattern. I don't expect you to reply outside your usual working hours'. We also aren't allowed access to work emails on our personal devices without special permission, so once I close my laptop down I don't even have to think about them till the next day if I don't want to. Game changer
A contract could be given to employees that allows for flexible hours.
@markhodgkinson1737 You've just described a zero hour contract
@@blisseyran-dom6822 so it is. Permanent contract, but for a flexible number of hours.
This whole bill is icing on a rotten cake. The basic social democratic consensus is long-gone but instead of restoring and enhancing it we get 'deckchairs on the Titanic'. I'm so fed up with unions being defensive and not staking out new genuine wins for workers like me. For example, what happened to the London minimum wage?
If these reforms do not include agency workers then Labour have failed to protect the millions of vulnerable agency workers. Labour will have made it more unlikely that agency will get permanent contracts.
You're confusing flexible (the how, where, and when) with hybrid (just where). In most companies flexible means offering a job-share, part time, compressed hours etc.
The bill doesn't speak about hybrid/home working specifically
On the subject of sending emails out of hours. I feel like people should be able to send them whenever they like. I think It's on the individual to handle their notifications, so they don't get distracted.
Yeah people can send them whenever but just don't expect that everyone will respond out of hours.
Nah, schedule send has existed for years now. If you're sending an email there's no excuse to not just schedule it to arrive during work hours.
wfh has been a godsend for saving money so I'm all for it
Good send for you to just sit at home and get paid for doing nothing
@@PLl-jr8xi salty
Never . I alway make sure I eat lots of pineapple before I visit your girlfriend.
@@PLl-jr8xi Just because you weren't smart enough to get a job where you can WFH....
@@PLl-jr8xi I would absolutley love for all WFH workers to stop for one day and then you would see what they all do and before you go at me I don't work from home I go in 5 days a week,I'm just not bitter
A week off with a pay if workers are a bit down in the dumps.
3:05 The hospitality industry is full of these practices. I feel slightly excited for the first time since Labour took over; they need to address private rents. Electricity prices and railways. The current neoliberal model is unsustainable and unfair. Let's not forget 2008... Blair and Dodgy Dave was both wrong on quite a few things.⚠️ 4:06 Wealth companies did exactly that just after COVID; it happened in logistics, restaurants (even fancy ones), and supermarkets too.
I'm a relatively younger worker, and I had a year of full office time before the pandemic and I'd just like to comment on this idea of networking or something like.
Sorry that I have to condense my experience to a paragraph I'd happily explain more but this idea of networking just sounds like utter drivel. Im in the office to do a project and the idea of waltzing around to talk to people, who are doing the same, or even going to a specific desk and asking a question like how did you get here/tell me your life story just sounds fucking nuts. Is this what people expect to do? I've never seen in the multi-department offices I used to be in havingnany opportunity for something like this, I simply don't believe this can or does happen. Maybe it's the irony of a big international company being spread so thin so far that it's unsociable but the office to me never seemed to have any social benefit.
New jobs or experiences are found through applying for jobs, in regards to internal applications you only speak to HR departments for things like that, it's all so consolidated and unnatural now. I really think you guys want to reflect on a comment like that because it doesn't seem that grounded, especially in contrast to the rest of your points this video which were pretty sound (to end on a positive note :D)
Ty Joe though, as always.
I'm sure hours of commuting instead of a bit of "isolation" will do wonders for mental health.
I hope that's sarcasm - you should try my commute. It's bloody awful! :)
@@dom9882 it is indeed very much sarcasm
Zero hour contract = Scenario: Employer contracts Recruitment Agency to place someone in a role with 3mths probation leading to a f/t job but on Zero Hours Contracts because they know 3 mths probation they can sack them at 10wks (to avoid holiday pay, tax etc) and start the process again ....rinse repeat. Recruitment agencies are complicit because they get a regular % of your salary everytime they place someone. Their only priority is only the Employer/Contract. The employee is a commodity not a person who is looking for a f/t role. Legal to do, unfair to everyone who isnt a business owner or a Recruiter RECRUITMENT AGENCIES ARE PARASITES they feed off others desperation
Ban on ZH contracts were a big reason i voted Labour. Where i am most employers were recruiting through agencies on ZH contracts and i could talk at length on all the bullshit i've seen happen because people effectively have no rights or recourse. I hope this puts alot of recruitment agencies out of business honestly.
I have been applying for jobs for over a year and still I can't even get an interview. I am only receiving rejections .
What salary range are the jobs you are applying to? Are you sending a CV and cover letter with each application? Have you asked a professional to review your CV?
Ava using the bring your child to work day to maximum effect
It’s taken me a year from being back from mat leave to get my brain into gear!🥴
Watching extroverted people who want their office job to be their social life / dating pool is super frustrsting.
Dont derail my life because you want to play the sims at work. Just leave me be in peace.
Just want to finish my tasks and chill.
Glad it's not just me. It's so infuriating watching Ava talk about her friend lamenting a remote first policy at a tech company... meanwhile I can guarantee you that 90% of the people actually working in TECH there (not just marketing) are absolutely loving it.
10:47 No, only a particular kind of individuals miss working in an office; instead, make time to see real buddies again. Establish discipline and get engaged in your community's church, council, and charitable organisations. These skyscrapers shouldn't have been approved for construction in the first place. Take a look at the designs-huge lobbies made of steel and glass that can only be modified with the expenditure of hundreds of millions of pounds.
exactly, and saving time on your commute means you have more time to develop yourself as a person outside of work
WFH is for the middle classes
Why, Do working class people never do office based work? Sounds like a class stereotype.
The middle class is dead. Tradies are taking home as much as people working in tech in the UK. And at least tradies have the skills to do work on their own properties.
What jobs when everything is being taken over by online, AI and automated systems.
What about electronic balloting ?
You get that this is a balancing act between employer and employee not just one way. Now that’s not to say some things need rebalancing. However watch out for the “unreasonable’ grounds trap. Small business employ some 16 million people here are largely why the economy has proven so robust they cannot afford the risk associated with taking people to tribunal nor the mountain of legislation around all these issues. Also this is not a growth approach people are actually getting fired in expectation of it. The one good thing seems to be it is being delayed for consultation for the next 18 months or so but much like the tenants charter this us and them mentality is incredible unhelpful. I do think there is a real danger that we are heading for a Liz Trust moment here with the government reliant on growth to balance the books with everything they do from closing down our own oil and gas supplies and investment mainly benefitting China that risks spooking the markets. Finger crossed that I am wrong but pure ideological driven measures from right or left tend to lead to disaster.
If your business is so unstable that you cannot provide your employees with reliable pay and employment then your business is not viable.
What's the gay economy?
Gig economy, but it did sound like she said gay instead.
she says "gig economy", not "gay economy"
Oh shes saying GIG economy, not gay economy 1:30
Podcasting at midnight to discuss matters including a work-life balance. :D
Just to chime in for once, working from home doesn’t allow for childcare. No uk company allows childcare to occur at the same time as working from home due to liability issues.
In my company you have to have arranged supervision and cannot have any ongoing “distractions” while WFH
I have worked now for two large organisations that allow this.
The company I work for allows childcare whilst WFH
@@666999stardust interesting, well those organisations are leaving themselves quite open from a legal perspective.
If a child has an accident while under the “supervision” of an adult who is working from home, the company is potentially liable as they have explicitly allowed that adult to supervise a child while distracted with work.
It’s likely your previous organisations aren’t aware of this.
@@gingerswimmer I think that's nonsense and there are no cases of this happening. Could equally blame Netflix for distracting me while my toddler was falling down the stairs.
@@Sankara561 equating a parents relationship with their employer as the same as their relationship with Netflix isn’t really correct.
By explicitly agreeing with the employee that they can both work and look after their child the company is taking on legal risks related to the safety of the child. Unions will not fight for the member on this topic whatsoever (I have personal experience of this).
If anyone has examples of named organisations that allow this I’d love to know as I have a few friends willing to apply for jobs there.
The pregnancy one I think is an issue, if the person is the worst candidate or underperforming do you save them and sack someone who isn’t?
That’s nonesense and discrimination against people that aren’t mothers or pregnant ironically. Redundancy exclusively for a certain group nothing to do with performance.
Day 65 of asking for a production team microphone.
The no zero hour contracts is going to crush the job market tbh
Umbrella companies: It's your time to shine.
Try running a business.
5:20 yes Ava, agreed, but now can you tell me what the difference is between bringing those people in from abroad and then hiring them? Do you agree that bringing cheap labour to the job market does in fact damage local job security and support wage stagnation..
Midnight aye?
It's called the union bill. However it won't be in law for another 2 years. So it's pretty pointless 😂
How is that pointless?
So just like the minimum wage law, a few months after gaining power, though not implemented in law until April 1999. If you are wondering why the time gap, try actually finding out what is involved in drafting, scrutiny in select committees, consultation with all affected parties..
Like every other major legislation.
@@GarethPW because they won't be in law for another 2 years according to Rayner because they don't want to scare off investment and big businesses.
@@grahambuckerfield4640 right I think you haven't heard why it's delayed for 2 years. And I suspect those laws will be watered down before they become law.
@@Jase-y1o Well most of the unions are on board, except UNITE’s Sharon Graham (elected with 4% of her membership ), but she is still pining for Corbyn it seems.
There has already been consultation with them and employers too, though more with the unions.
Next will be Parliamentary Select Committees, then finally, a debate in the Commons and a vote on it.
Which given Labour’s majority it will pass.
We had all this in 1997-99, employers and the Tory media all claimed the minimum wage would destroy jobs, union’s claiming, or some of them, it wasn’t high enough.
When You girls host the show I don't fall a sleep listening to political commentary 😂
Does anyone still believe anything any politician says?
This is my most anticipated legislation next to train renationalisation
I find it unbelievable that these pair,who have never had a real job comment on issues that they have no experience at all.All those who now cannot work from home must be compensated by those that do ie remove London waiting etc
Brilliant idea. Rather than asking for more from everyone, you want to ensure that many get poorer out of spite lol. Why not ask for compensation from the CEOs instead lol.
Hahaha idiot