Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam | A Paper Cut Above The Rest?
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- The crossover to end all crossovers, I suppose. Wrapping up the Mario & Luigi series, Paper Mario shows up for the final adventure! It's Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam for the Nintendo 3DS.
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“Missed potential is truly the name of this game”
So close, AntDude, but clearly its true name is *Missed Potential Bros.*
Only in Europe though
l e a v e
@@TAKirbyStar never
@@childmanmanboi4916
I was talking to the person who made the original comment but ok
Oh
Useless, but fun trivia: Paper Jam is both the fifth Mario and Luigi game and the fifth main appearance of Paper Mario.
Maybe why it is the crossover? Mmmh
It's also the fifth best Mario and Luigi game! Crazy coincidence
I always liked that fun fact
@@DapperFella 6th, I badly drew mario and Luigi when I was 5 and it was more entertaining lol
@@DapperFella Oh,I hope it has burn heal!
It's small but the fact Bowser refers to Luigi as "green guy" in this game again where at the end of Dream Team, he develops enough respect for Luigi to actually call him by his real name for the first time ever is sad. Like Bowser clearly respects Luigi at that game and in this one, it's like the past game's events never happened.
the past games never happening would explain some things, except for starlow
Actually... Bowser does indeed call him Luigi right before the fight starts. The line goes "(Paper Bowser) So Mario... (Boswer) and... other Mario! And Luigi... Let's do this!" Bowser was just taunting Luigi by calling him 'green guy'. It is disappointing that Paper Jam makes nearly zero references to the past games in their series, but it does indeed take place after Dream Team.
He finally realized that luigi was God tier.
He doesn't clearly respect Luigi at all. Just because he doesn't call him by his name again doesn't mean they forgot about the past games. Bowser can call them whatever he wants. So that must mean that if Bowser doesn't call Mario by his first name they forgot about past game's events, right? Wrong.
@@jooglebob So Paper Jam HAS to reference past games to show it takes place after Dream Team? What.
Once again I say unto you, if you want to repeat Luigi's dialogue for yourself;
_"Potonotunitanotunanacenatunacanaiblrlrcenanainacenanatenonorapetanitiniti."_
wise words to live by 😔 🙏
To this day, I ask myself; when he recorded the gibberish for the Bros, did Charles Martinet read out of a script like yours, or did he just went completely random while trying to sound Italian?
@@paperluigi6132 That's a _really_ good question, holy crap.
It could be that he made a bunch of takes and eventually landed on one that sounded good while combining several parts from the previous tries?
My eyes landed on the sequence of R-A-P and E and I can no longer see anything else as a result
@@ShibuNub3305 Same. As well as the Nono before it.
Paper Luigi does make a cameo after beating the game, in the music player.
Edit: I just realized he mentioned it please don’t kill me
WAIT THEY FORGOT TO PUT HIM BACK IN THE BOOK-
HE HAS ESCA..... wait nevermind.
He's just chillin'
"You put him in here?!?"
Don't worry hes in Origami King so he probably found his way back.
Paper Luigi; The way home
"Missed potential is, unfortunatly, the true name of the game here."
Ah yes, *Mario & Luigi: Missed Potential*
Actually it’s Mario and Luigi: Missed Potential Bros
@@justwoomy Damn it.
Literally almost every Mario Side character.
@@justwoomy only in Europe
Originally Alpha Dream was going to focus more on the Crossover element by having both worlds merge, and have old Paper Mario Characters appear as cameos and bosses (some of the old bosses would appear because they came out of the book before they were defeated by Paper Mario), but they scrap the idea because they thought it would be too complicated to follow and thought that no one would have enjoyed it. That is how we got the game that we have right now.
Honestly the gag of paper Luigi just having a full on conversation with either of the peaches would’ve been like the biggest moment in all of mario
paper peach just being unphased and reg peach being shocked would've been great
My favorite joke in paper jam is when that toad is rambling about some story and the game literally tells you that you can fats forward, even though it never tells you anywhere else
I think it was about Paper Petey or something
But yeah the game saying "please dont listen to this" was pretty good
It’s crazy that AlphaDream’s final game was the flashback sections of Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games
...That's rather sad.
I hope they're working at Nintendo now
Oh. I'm sad now
Wait what,
@@tsyumamatsuthehavenofguard32 Yeah, that's what I'm saying!
This game missed the biggest opportunity to show the contrast between Luigi’s personality with Paper Luigi
Oh damn, that would have been so interesting
Paper Luigi was considered during Paper Jam’s development but thy scrapped him being playable due to the 4 button mechanic.
@@DuckyShrunks Who's gonna tell them?
Easily he could've had Starlow's role of being nothing more than a tutorial provider, while still being an important part of the story, with him speaking fluent English.
Paper Luigi when compared to the 3 playable characters gives me the same vibes as that "Hello Mario." clip
There are only two ways crossovers go. Sterilized by the numbers, and crazy, wacky, awesome. There is no in-between.
After seeing this I’m like 90% sure the paper-craft battles are based on that thing they do at Japanese festivals where two groups of people carry and ram two big floats against each other with the goal of knocking the opposing float into the crowd.
Touche, but that still doesn’t change the fact that while this wasn’t the worst Mario & Luigi game (it only got worse and worse with each cash-grab remake even though they didn’t sell anywhere near as well as the original. I know sales shouldn’t really affect the quality of video games themselves, but with the very existence of remakes to classics of the M&L series, and I mean in the way of Nintendo (and AlphaDream in the late 2010s), it makes me think that the quality of the remakes are what made AlphaDream stand on its last legs), it was the downfall of the M&L series. But with Paper Mario, on the other hand, while it was hands-down at its best throughout the 2000s with the first three games, it went downhill with Sticker Star and (only marginally) improved with Paper Jam, Color Splash and The Origami King. My opinion, at least.
Can we all take a second to admire how many glitches are in this game? Like seriously, you can beat it in less than an hour.
But, the thing is, you actually gotta *try* to trigger the glitches. It ain't no Sonic 06 where they happen randomly, so it's still a step in the right direction.
@@RabXML yeah, I’m just saying it’s got a whole lot of them. It’s not bad, it’s just really surprising the stuff you can do with the game.
yes
what if there were glitches... but on purpose 😳 i think that would be sick wicked twisted dude
@@squak___ legend of zelda oot remake kinda dud that by keeping the fun glitches like bomb sliding but removed game breaking bugs
"This is the true final battle."
*[SPOILER-FREE BOSS] wants to know your location*
Wait, YOU CAN FIGHT WHO NOW!?!
Is it Bowser...
[Potential spoilers ahead]
but dead?
yeah but there's no story behind the battle so yeah the actual final boss is the final battle
the secret boss is more of a skirmish
@@FriskyD. it's Bowser but he's dead?, (gasp) what am original idea.
Thunder Lightningbolt wow how original, New super Mario bros neeeever did that!
Mario & Luigi:
Me And the Bros. At 2AM Looking For
B E A N S!
...
me and the bros on the hunt for B E A N S
I was looking for this
Circletoons fam represent!
That's it that's the entire series
Looking back at this game, it really feels like this was a sign AlphaDream was in trouble. It using assets from Dream Team and Sticker Star to lower costs and justifying it as a "crossover" is overlooking the fact that the fifth game in the series is really just being stitched together. It makes the crossover seem less like one that exists out of want and creativity and more out of necessity and development costs.
If anything they should’ve put it on the Nintendo Switch as a part of the 2017 or 2018 lineup of Mario games instead of doing two remakes. It wouldn’t have saved them a lot, but at least then most of the money they got would’ve saved their company a little bit.
It'd be nice if Nintendo recruited the developers into the company proper.
Pretty much. AlphaDream was probably trying to stay afloat as they prepared to release a Switch game, but the poor sales weren't able to sustain any potential game development. It definitely hurt that they're mostly only known for M&L, a franchise they have to pay a license for with each new release and can only release for one company's game systems.
@Buzzy Trombone if they put this game on the switch, it wouldn't have been as rushed, and it and the remakes probably would've been seen and bought by more people.
@@hydenmoody4373it would be nice too try this on the switch
You mean the one that jammed up the money printer?
Ooooooo ouch
Nice
Well no, but actually, yes.
And I though it was MY favorite
Lol
Ngl I'm just realising that paper jam is a printer joke which also ties into the crossover
How did i miss this
@@milkman9412 don't worry I did too
If you look into the development of the game, it's really upsetting.
Right off the bat you should be able to tell that the game was rushed, considering the game released just 2 years after Dream Team.
They did a Developer "Miiting" on Miiverse and talked a bit about the game's development.
The developers explained that they struggled a lot with coming up with the story for the game. It was originally gonna be a super crazy game involving a bunch of red herrings, going in and out of the Paper world, etc. But in the end, they ended up streamlining it to focus on interactions between the Main characters and their paper counterparts.
Hidden within the files of the game is a Paper Stingby enemy that was never used. Now, normal Stingbies weren't in the game, but I'm guessing they were planned at some point.
EVERY single paper enemy in the game was ripped from Sticker Star. There wasn't a single new paper enemy or character created for the game. They could've made Paper Toadette or Paper Nabbit, but they didn't. Everything is just from Sticker Star.
Why didn't they create new paper assets? It's hard to say. I'm thinking it was likely either due to:
-AlphaDream being unable to replicate the paper Artstyle / Intelligent Systems not helping create new assets
-Not being allowed to / encouraged not to (this would possibly explain the lack of Paper Toadette, who still hasn't appeared in a modern Paper Mario game)
-Not having enough time (there were a heck ton of new Mario & Luigi sprites in the game, and they only had 2 years to do it. Perhaps they didn't have enough time to make Paper enemies to accompany them.
Paper Jam followed the same restrictions of Sticker Star, but it went all out. Bullies, King Boo, King Bob-Omb, Biddy Buds, Sandmaarghs, Ant Troopers, Chargin' Chucks, Nabbit, Toadette... they utilized a lot of creative enemies. Not to mention they made M&L versions of every paper enemy from Sticker Star. Ninjis, Broozers, Scaredy Rats, Spikes, Flutter... It's awesome how much they did. You can tell how hard they tried to make the game creative while refraining from making any new enemies or characters.
Judging by the Paper Stingby, it is my belief that they intended to make paper variations of all the enemies, some characters, and some more of the bosses in the game. We could've gotten Paper Bullies, Paper Biddy Buds, Paper Nabbit, Paper Toadette, Paper King Boo, etc. But instead we got no new paper ANYTHING.
I believe that Paper Jam could've and likely _would've_ been good. But rushed development, possibly a poor financial state, and other unknown reasons, made Paper Jam the un-creative game that it is.
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This is all I have to say about this, but I'd like to share my own ideas for how Paper Jam could've been better, and I'll do that in a reply to this comment.
*How Paper Jam could've been better:*
-Ditch Starlow. She had a story reason to be in Dream Team, but she had absolutely NO reason to be in Paper Jam. Why was she even at Peach's Castle at the beginning of the game? I have no clue.
With Starlow gone, who will replace her? There are a few options. Paper Luigi could come along for the ride. He wouldn't fight, but he would give advice and speak for the bros. This might be a bit hard to do. I honestly don't think Paper Luigi's personality works very great for the role of a traveling companion. They could always do it without a partner at all. HOWEVER, I think there is one idea that would work the best...
-Create an original character to be the traveling companion. With Starlow gone, now's the perfect opportunity to create a new companion specifically for the game. This is what the Paper Mario series has been doing since Super. Tippi, Kersti, Huey, and Olivia are all completely original characters created just for the game. Having a new character would really make the game fresh, and he/she could be incorporated into the story in some way. There's a lot of potential.
-Create Paper Variations of every enemy. Paper Bullies, Biddy Buds, etc. This would make the game feel less like "Sticker Star invades Mario & Luigi" and more like "The world of Paper Mario invades Mario & Luigi". I don't think they should make new enemies, but making Paper versions of the new additions to the M&L series would've added a lot. Maybe even bring in a few Paper enemies, like Crazy Dayzees and Bandits. There are already bandits in the M&L series and I bet dayzees would fit right in as well.
-Add Paper King Boo and / or Paper King Bob-Omb. Petey was the only one with a Paper counterpart, and it was really cool to see. Imagine if we had an extra boss with either Paper King Boo or Paper King Bob-Omb. Maybe they could even flip the order you fight them. Fight Paper King Bob-Omb first, earlier on, and then fight the real King Bob-Omb later. Perhaps his fight could replace the Tower Pokey battle.
-Change the world themes. Keep the Grass, Desert, Beach, and Mountain themes, but change their aesthetics and make them more interesting. For example, Sunbeam Plains, as it is currently, is just NSMBWii styled grasslands. Make the grass a bit more yellow-ish, change the patterns on the dirt and grass, and add a bunch of sunflowers. Boom, now you've got an entirely original, yet still familiar world. There are also Toad villages everywhere. Make them more interesting. Intertwine normal looking houses (that fit the environment) with a few Toad houses, instead of making every village just a ton of Toad Houses. They could also give the Toads on Mt. Brr winter coats or something.
-Add more Paper involvement. Paper Characters need more of a spotlight in the game. Why not introduce Paper Lakitus to work with the irl Lakitus in the Lakitu Info Center? Perhaps some villages could be entirely Paper Lakitus, while others could have a mix of both. Perhaps they aren't as good at working as normal Lakitus, so they come up with their own job. I'm not sure how I feel about adding Paper Toadette and Paper Nabbit, but if done properly, they could add a lot to the game. Paper Nabbit for example, could alternate appearances with normal Nabbit, before meeting at the end of the game. Bringing back Toadsworth and adding Paper Toadsworth could also add a lot. Toadsworth is a great character and having 2 of them would be great to see.
-Improve Papercraft battles. Nothing really to say here.
-Make Toad missions more exciting. Perhaps some missions could involve going into the Paper world to save irl Toads who went into the book. Or maybe some missions could be active while you do the main adventure. Instead of having to activate missions at an Info Center, why not have a few of them active within the world that you can do while you explore and progress the plot? j don't think I have very good ideas about the Toad missions, but they could be a lot better.
-Sprinkle in Paper Luigi encounters. Make him have his own quest and have him show up for Comedy moments once and awhile.
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And yeah, that's about it. I tried to keep my ideas in-line with the actual Paper Jam we ended up getting. I would love to see some alternate version of the game that focuses on fanservice, or a game that involves going into the Paper world. But this is just my vision of how the game we ended up getting could've been improved.
@@DaNintendude Now I'm sad that these ideas aren't in the game
@@DaNintendude I would've done Paper Luigi, but also throwing in a Mr. L mini boss, and would have also removed the beans. Have the underground collectable be badge fragments, or something.
@@DaNintendude Honestly, imagine if this game pulled the Spider-Man: No Way Home approach to a crossover that the film did. As it stands, this game is more of a "Dream Team meets Sticker Star" in its aesthetic, but if the likes of Paper Mario 64, TTYD, and Super were also tapped into, imagine just how incredible this game could have been. Imagine seeing Dimentio return, or Mr. L, or Grubba. Imagine being able to re-experience previous Paper Mario boss fights through the Mario and Luigi combat and being able to traverse Hooktail's Castle or Shy Guy's Toybox in a 3d environment.
Man, I'm really gonna miss Alphadream, I hope those guys find work elsewhere because they're insanely talented.
@@thegreatgonzales6813
I think the main problem with something like that is that it's really hard to do well. If they did a crazy insane crossover game, I'd want them to handle it really well. And if it did happen, I'd hope it's not canon, lol.
But man, if we did get a well-done RPG crossover game, that'd be sick
Paper Luigi was gonna be playable, but it was scrapped because it was too difficult to control with 4 buttons...Did they forget Parterns In Time?
heheh... scrapped.
It wasn’t with four buttons at once it was always two
Yeah, you don't need to be a genius to realize Partners in Time and Paper Jam have completely different ways of handling player characters.
It would be fun if they are paper luigi, he even has dialogue
@@justjason3161 ok nintendo
I feel confident that if they had included Paper Luigi, they would have just stripped him of his ability to speak rather than utilize the personality he had in the first three games. His role in Sticker Star and Color Splash was very minor. He didn't even have a single line of dialogue in the former.
Then again, Paper Bowser didn't either in SS, but he speaks in Paper Jam
Good thing paper mario origami king has luigi as a bigger role
@@coolj4334 Luigi's role in that game is amazing. aside from maybe super paper Mario I think origami king Luigi is the best version of paper Luigi
Only time hes been playable ever was in super paper mario
The lack of the original Paper Mario characters meeting up with original Mario and Luigi character is one of the biggest missed opportunities ever.
Where’s paper Luigi?
I am sorry,this comment Will come out rude but:I am So Done with people complaining about "LaCk oF oRigInal ChArActerS",Christ Not everything is about characters,writting is a thing too you know,or visuals etc etc.You can take something generic yet still make something interesting with it and this game,although not the best at it,still did a good job!
Again apologies for being rude,but I really need to release this stress somehow
What if... there was another crossover, as part of the Paper Mario series, that was basically the opposite of this one?
I am now looking forward to Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam 2.
@@rockstarpyro1581 I think you replied to the wrong comment, he’s talking about how there’s no existing characters in each series against eachother, not lack of new and original characters
"Out of the 2 duos he is the only character that can speak full sentences" now i think i know why they didn't put him in
It wouldn't mesh with the others. Having 3 illiterate characters and then paper luigi wouldn't make alot of sense, and it would also eliminate the need for starlow, cuz her whole purpose is pretty much to be the voice of the trio
Is your pfp Jevil
@@chickennoodlegamer915 I mean, did they need to bring starlow back at all? she really had no reason to return in paper jam at all and sticks out like a sore thumb considering she's the only RPG-original creation in paper jam's brutally streamlined cast of characters.
@@jclkaytwo yeah I agree but i doubt they'd give up starlow so easily cuz shes such a loved character by the fanbase. And it would be a little weird for paper luigi to be the voice of everyone since he's one of the bros
@@chickennoodlegamer915 I wouldn't call starlow a particularly beloved character. she's just a functional main ally that really had no reason to come back after bowser's inside story. they could've easily made a new ally character for paper jam but chose not to for some reason. starlow has no reason to even be in paper jam considering the context of the plot.
"I can never look at a Paper Bob-Omb the same way again after Origami King. No, I'm not ready to talk about it."
Same mood, ant dude.
Never forget
Especially since you can LITERALLY HIT THEM WITH YOUR HAMMER AND MAKE THEM EXPLODE ONTO THE OTHER ENEMIES, USING THEMSELVES AS WEAPONS
Unpopular opinion I thought the ending was sadder
It’s a great game gameplay wise. It just feels so darn soulless compared to all the other ones. I guess that’s what you get when you have a collaboration with Sticker Star.
From what little I played I'm inclined to agree
I see you were one of the smart ones that didn't watch that terrible Paper Mario Wii U discussion that Josh Thomas and RogersBase did 4 years ago...
well look, im here to defend sticker star, so get ready
gooper bloopers theme slaps and...
yeah I got nothing. (really though, I think the game isnt as bad as everyone says it is)
Originally Alpha Dream was going to focus more on the Crossover element by having both worlds merge, and have old Paper Mario Characters appear as cameos and bosses (some of the old bosses would appear because they came out of the book before they were defeated by Paper Mario), but they scrap the idea because they thought it would be too complicated to follow and thought that no one would have enjoyed it. That is how we got the game that we have right now. I wonder if they kept the original idea, we would have seen Paper versions of Mario & Luigi Characters, I guess we will never know.
@@spectralaria8648 I personally like sticker Star. I can’t defend its blandness and lack of any interesting story or characters.
Okay, but we can can at least say that Paper Jam’s boss music is a BOP
Easily my favourite regular boss battle and final battle themes in the entire franchise
Wrong, the entire SERIES has bopping boss music!
Hell yeah, this series has some amazing music overall as a whole.
@@vikavolt11 Yup can't forget Partners in Time final boss music. Instead of upbeat music, they went with sad music
Cross out "boss"
OSTs are something these games mever had trouble with
Love how the bros in the thumbnails progressively look more and more done with everything
"Yeah, suddenly, and for no reason, even though it was really working well for the past Mario games, we have decided we simply just don't want Mario games to have personality anymore." Nintendo, probably, at some point in the 2010's
2010's. the mandate that the spin offs must be like main line happened in 09.
@@megamike15 for paper mario maybe, but dream team came out in 2016 and that had a ton of personality. I really don't understand why intelligent systems got those stupid restrictions but the mario and luigi series never were put under that restriction. They literally said st one point thag the only reason paper jam stripped away original characters was to fit with the new direction of paper mario. Nintendo never flat out said to alphadream that they can't have original characters, it was their own decision
@@chickennoodlegamer915 2013. dreamteam had development issues due to the new engine. so nintendo could not mess with it as much. paper jam however.
@@megamike15 oh yea 2013 lmao, wtf was i thinking
I dont Understand, Why the Spin-offs are so Generic when the Main Line Games are Beign Creative and Original (In Odyssey you Fight a Realistic Dragon, Visit a Realistic City, Most of the Bosses are Brand new, Heck, The Lava World is Actualy a Food World!)
Paper jam missed out on having paper characters from the previous games.
Such as:
Paper bean people
Paper shroobs
Paper bowser insides(?)
Paper dream creatures
Ehh. At that point it wouldn't even be a crossover with Paper Mario, it would just be a mash-up of all previous games with no thought put into it. Imo that would be worse than the gigantic amount of missed opportunity here.
Originally Alpha Dream was going to focus more on the Crossover element by having both worlds merge, and have old Paper Mario Characters appear as cameos and bosses (some of the old bosses would appear because they came out of the book before they were defeated by Paper Mario). I don't know if they would have made Paper versions of Mario & Luigi Characters, but that could have been cool.
Paper Shroobs would been cool AF!
It wouldn't be bad, but it'd kinda feel like a cash-grab at the end of it all. They never appeared in the Paper Mario games, so why put in what doesn't exist? That's like asking an Artist on the street to help them come up with new character designs that have nothing to do with the plot or story of a game. It makes no sense, and is pointless.
That's not to say, however, that an artist COULD come up with interesting character designs for a video-game. There are some talented artists out there who I am sure would love to be an artist for a game, and I'm not shaming them for that. All I'm saying is that people should be careful about who they choose to help them with their games.
Mario and Luigi Paper Jam: The crossover nobody talks about.
It dosen't even feel like a crossover. It's just Mario....and Mario.
@@dylbill56remixes28 And Green Mario we can't forget him.
But really this game was awesome in my opinion. It deserves more love
@@thatboi6427 I'm not at all saying it's bad, I like it just fine. But it's easily the most underwhelming Mario & Luigi game to me.
@@dylbill56remixes28
What about Luigi Mario?
“The crossover nobody talks about”
I guess no one remembers “Puzzle & Dragons: Super Mario Bros. Edition.”
When I first saw the copies sold for the Bowser’s Inside Story remake, my head exploded. Dang they were so low
3DS was pretty much at the end of its life in 2019 so that heavily contributed to the sales.
Also the fact that the 3DS is backwards compatible with DS games.
Don't forget about one of the highlights of this game: Bowser Jr. and Bowser Jr.'s friendship.
ah yes the game which raised and lowered my expectations from zero to 100% then back to zero in like two weeks
I mean it has the best combat and exploration of the whole series so idk
Imagine if Intelligent Systems got rid of the mandates that causes Sticker Star to have generic toads, and the next Paper Mario had them collaborate with former AlphaDream employees to do a Paper Mario game that mixed the battle system of Thousand Year Door and 64 with the Mario and Luigi series.
* Like we got a tag move where the Goomba partner uses the Double Cherry to clone himself and Mario becomes Fire Mario to send them flying up similar to Goomba Storm from Bowser’s inside story.
* Mario using the Raccoon Leaf to fly up and then throw the bob-omb partner at an enemy.
* A Shy Guy partner using the weird Mushroom and having Ice Mario freeze him to use as a bludgeon
* A Yoshi Partner throwing Metal Mario at an enemy like he was an egg.
* Luigi as a partner with his special moves being the Bros Moves from Superstar Saga
Also imagine a Paper Mario game that had Mario partner up with some of the bosses from the SNES version of Wario’s Woods.
This person here is a f*king genius
Go ask Nintendo to hire you, now.
It doesn't seem to be Intelligent Systems that has that mandate, it's Nintendo itself that forces them to do it. I've noticed in general lately that all of the Mario spinoffs are required to use the same cookie cutter assets (as opposed to the N64, GameCube, and Wii era where they had a lot more personality). I think that's also what happened with Paper Jam, Nintendo didn't allow Alpha Dream to put any personality into the game. This is what happens when corporate interests that focus more on brand control than creativity have full power.
I would certainly the graphic style from the handheld Mario and Luigis (yes I liked the 3DS's styles more).
Anyways, this doesn't seems very unlikely as the president or producer or something from Mario and Luigi was some of the same ones for Paper Mario.
The return of fawful and dimentio in a team up that would threaten all of existence itself. We seriously could've gotten that
“Crash Purple and Spyro Orange”
i need an exorcist
I had a nightmare when my entire class talked about paper jam and nothing else
I’m serious
What happened in the dream? Just asking...
@@thorhit they talked about paper jam and nothing else
I suggest therapy
Have you considered therapy?
That doesn't really sound like a nightmare to me.
I just saw the Mario & Luigi logo in the thumbnail and my heart skipped a beat, I thought Nintendo just randomly announced a new M&L game
We can only dream...
Rip Alphadream...
To be honest, I... kinda don't want another one. Yeah, the series has now died on a bit of a dry (not even sour, just dry) note, but I think its downhill slide had something to do with Nintendo wanting the games more and more how *they'd* want them.
Just look at Paper Mario, it did have the same decline at the same time for nearly the same reasons, so I wouldn't be surprised if it really was Nintendo silently staving off AlphaDream's creative freedom.
And yeah, Origami King is an alright game, but it's just that. I don't think they could do M&L like AlphaDream used to.
@@plazmasytAgreed. The games probably would've REALLY got bland.
No original characters. Boring levels. No unique enemies. Only goombas and koopas. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW!!!!! Just Mario and Luigi rescuing the princess for many games.
It would've been bad.
@@thunderlightningbolt6597 No, that's not what I meant. I was saying like; they'd either do the same as Origami King and add (what I think is) the *right amount of new stuff*, but not in the right places or right ways, or just give up and make the next Sticker Star or Colour Splash and end up making thing too different and too new that it's not a lot like the games the series was known for.
Should've explained that before now, my bad that I didn't.
18:08. At the time I'm writing this comment, this video has almost 60,000 viewers meaning that 2 times more people have seen this video than played the bowser's inside story remake
Oof
I guess youre referring to the people who bought the game on a physical copy cuz I suppose the games been mostly played digitally via Nintendo eShop.
@@peeoh8476 considering the company that developed the game went bankrupt weeks later... Probably not near enough.
@@joelsolalopez I meant to say they must've bought the game earlier when it first came out.
I did get that game but through other ways
"Weren't good anyway?" I won't stand for this staining of Bowser Jr.'s Journey's honor! It's one of the best Mario RPG stories that most people didn't play because of the unfortunate choice of platform and I will forever wave my flag in support of it!
I never really tried that one, but the SS one wasn't that bad as people say.
@@DeltaTried Watch the cutscenes on TH-cam, the story is AMAZING
That works for Tanabe, who is in charge of Intelligent games & also in charge of 98% of the Paper Mario series (I’m serious, that guy has that much power, he does actually control the Paper Mario series)
Jrs Journey and Minion Quest are definitely a case of see the story skip thr game
Both plots are great (I adore the four captains) and Jr having some shred of character development and maturity was quite nice
Really going to miss alpha dreams. My first game (from this series) was mario and luigi and bowser's inside story. Truly a master piece
Mario and Luigi look so grumpy in the thumbnail. I love it.
Even they didn't like the *paper jokes*
Kind of weird how Sticker Star’s battle system was a little janky, yet Paper Mario’s work here is better to say the least.
I’m so glad that there was no Sticker shindig here.
you know why paper Jam is better than sticker star.
it still sticks to the main mechanics that make the franchise fun
Honestly, Paper Mario: Sticker Shindig would've been a better title.
@@OtterloopB I actually had a few names like that planned before, haha.
You put dream team last and I know it’s just a quick ranking but I’m genuinely surprised and also disappointed. Not in you, it’s just I love that game to bits.
I mean sure the constant Tutorial nagging wich seemed voluntary and benefitial at first and was forced down your throat afterwards and the mediocre Story may have been it's weak points but last? Hell no, not to paper trashcan mario
@@FlameHricane but Luigi is ONE aspect of many in the Story. From the Toads complaining that he does nothing but sleep all the time to beating the master of Mega Battles in his own game and even get aknowledged as Luigi by him....
To be continued
That's what I'm saying, like it wasn't THAT bad, I can only think of 2 things that are bad (people say 2 but I only think one is bad) which are the tutorials and how long it is, also being the only Mario & Luigi game with a hard difficulty (That I can think of) puts it up there for me.
@@DeltaTried hard difficulty is basically boss arena difficulty only that it's permanent. The annoying part is that it doesn't automatically turn items into gold on full capacity (oh and the recieving damage being doubled of course but thats easy to ignore with shield equipment and badges)
@@PancakemonsterFO4 I like challenging Mario and Luigi games, (Which probably explains why I don't like BIS as much) but I never was able to finish hard mode due to my 3ds breaking again.
The oddest part of this game is the sheer number of cameos from Mario characters. King Bomb Omb, King Boo, Petey Piranha, the Koopalings, the list goes on
Mario and luigi in the thumbnail be like: aw man we are sick of this dude.
ALSO WHEN IS THE NEW SPONGEBOB VIDEO?
ciao tizio che ho trovato nel video di disegnare mario cantando in italiano- (ti rispondo in italiano per motivi ovvi)
@@frikkofrik ...
Che strano posto per incontrarsi...
Va be'.
@@LollinoDamb64 eh sì
Sooo... Hamtaro marathon when?
I'm serious btw, games are legit good
This was the last time Paper Mario was involved with real RPG elements
Because Fire Emblem is the true RPG by Intelligent Systems... I'm beginning to question that company's name...
Uh, your aware that experience points aren't the only rpg element that exists right? A turn based battle system is an epg element. A well defined world with interesting characters is an rpg element
@@chickennoodlegamer915 just curious. Do sticker star and color splash have interesting characters?
@@maro1139 sticker star definitely doesn't and color splash is debatable, but origami king no doubt has interesting characters
yea i like the toads personalities in CS and i like TOKs characters
Especially bobby
They should've travelled to the paper world too! Kinda like the Jimmy Neutron and Fairly Odd Parents crossovers how they travelled to both worlds!
"infinity war is the most ambitious crossover"
WAS the most ambitious crossover
Honestly this crossover isn’t that crazy guys
@@AlpsBulky but its paper and flesh
Super Smash Bros. Ultimate laughing in the background
Smash bros is
Man it's sad that this might be the last Mario and Luigi game.
@IG - IcicleGamer Yeah hopefully they can continue the series somehow after the Alpha Dream bankruptcy.
@@agents5307 *maybe if we all buy their games they can un-die!*
(Im not sure if thats actually how it works :v)
@@rockbennyworm5063 Another way I see the series continuing is if it is funded through Kickstarter.
The remakes of SS and BIS: *are we jokes to you?*
@@shardtheduraludon Those are remakes so they don't count. I'm taking about original releases.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who is still hurt emotionally by the Bobby story in Origami King.
Also yeah my ranking:
1. Bowser’s Inside Story
2. Dream Team
3. Superstar Saga
4. Partners In Time
5. Paper Jam
2 and 3 were hard to decide so you could maybe switch em around. Despite a ranking, the series was still gosh darn consistent compared to Paper Mario. Even down to the bottom I think are still great games.
I would’ve loved to see a more Link Between Worlds idea, where we can cross the regular world and paper world with inter dimensional portals. However, they should cross between iconic locations, like going from Rougeport to the Wakeport, or the Plaque Beach to the Cape Key.
They should’ve had the villains be from each universe too. I would’ve loved to see the return of Lord Crump or Fawful, doing their dirty deeds, and it would be funny to see the Bowsers try to fight them (again).
I think they should’ve had the main villain be some kind of leader or president of a new location that wants to open these portals to learn about (and take over) newer lands. It could be fun to see a villain that tries to convince us he’s in the right.
Those characters are deeeeaaad
i loved this retrospective series. my ranking of the games would have to be:
1: Dream Team
2: Bowsers Inside Story
3: Superstar Saga
4: Partners In Time
these ^ are all top tier games and i love them to death.
5: Paper Jam
i didn’t like paper jam very much compared to the others.
WHY DOES NO ONE LOVE PAPER JAM
I'm probably the minority out there, but I honestly don't like Dream Team & I prefer this over Dream Team.
I only played Paper Jam so
i don’t think paper jam is a bad game. it has the phenomenal gameplay of the others and a great soundtrack. it’s just the originality and creativity that i adore the other games for isn’t there at all. i’d say if you enjoyed paper jam and haven’t played the others, you should give them a shot. it is a spectacular series
@@bobbythebirdlyentity8126 honestly, I think the battle system is what keeps me in this series the most. It’s a mix of turn based and action based RPG systems that has only ever been done again in Undertale as far as I know. It’s why I prefer Paper Jam over PiT.
hey guys, today we will be time travelling
Hurray!
We're we going the great depression cuz I wanna die yayyyyyy
Ok
That was in partners in time my friend
You’re sus.
Back when I heard that Alphadream was gone, I cried. I literally cried like a waterfall. Mario and Luigi is my favorite videogame franchise of all time. Every day since Ive been hoping to hear something from this franchisr again and as long as Nintendo exists, I will never seize hope.
“You put him here!?”
Ah, Paper Jam. One of the biggest RPG crossovers that was forgot about a week after it released.
_You dedicated like a quarter of the video to talking about the battle system and didn't mention cards ONCE_
_How and why??_
Antdude clearly didn’t want to stay on this topic for long. It is freaking obvious from his tone in the first half of the video.
@@Mojo1356 but Antdude should have AT LEAST mentioned it! It was (in my opinion) a great mechanic adding just a bit more depth to combat
@@theguyman256 he should have, yes, but that doesn’t always mean he will when he’s not enjoying himself.
Also, while I love the cards system, they can be a little bit game breaking at times when you have the right cards.
For those that don’t know, paper jam was originally going to have a unique story but the story/plot they decided on got scrapped late on in development because they thought fans wouldn’t like it and therefore decided to stick to the basics instead.
The plot was originally going to be the 2 mario’s and Luigi travelling through the paper world and mario world to stop bowser. They’re was going to be returning villains from both entries and other characters were gonna have bigger roles.
They thought the backtracking would annoy the fans though so they decided to scrap it and went behind in development.
Spubds amazing.
Also warionand waluigi super steal saga spunded so good
Source?
I feel like they still did a good job, since it's a crossover I didn't mind the fact that we explored all of the mushroom kingdom
Mario and Luigi Paper Jam is, in the words of DJ Subatomic Supernova, “Barely reaches the cusp of mediocrity.”
Ironically enough, Mario & Luigi crossing over with Paper Mario ended up resulting in some pretty (quite literally) -terrible- tear-able ideas
This game was basically a crossover with sticker star.
really
I’d understand Color Splash a tiny bit more (despite not existing yet), but WHY STICKER STAR?!
ikr I love this game
Are you a stalker you look like chara
Paper Jam was just like my girlfriend, nothing but a fever dream
I can relate
Damn
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Dont say that about this amazing game
Saying that to the only M&L that nobody gets fat (I guess)
Just a friendly reminder that Bowser nuked Peach's Castle near the end.
I guess you could say this game's creativity, was......
*paper thin*
Thanks I hate it.
I heard this joke so much from other people that played this game.
All characters' personality were pretty *flat*
That joke is pretty *fold*
Your plan of making us laughing didn't work.
But I admit it was a good plan
*On paper*
Oh I’m excited for THIS ONE
It was a good video
Imagine if the 4th party member was paper marios partners.
I wonder what could be a partner to paper Mario when there is Mario and Luigi
Hmmm
No mention of nabbit fighting you then running into enemies and suddenly being your friend, i really enjoyed his presence in battle, and that he used his own bro moves with mario or luigi
Trust me, even i don't understand why dream team "Bros" in Europe, and i am an european
The Super Mario Bros. Bros. Series of games
Called this series Mario & Luigi RPG which is bland but straight to the point.
Yeah, Dream Team Bros and Paper Jam Bros are weird bloody names.
21:47 Clearly, the fake "italian" speak of the Mario & Luigi games is the REAL reason we actually miss AlphaDream
In all seriousness AlphaDream's bankruptcy is just depressing and I'm still not able to get over it even after all this time
f in chat for alphadream
I feel the same way...
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"Pecoponestacorratopoconotopoquesorrapacrato" - Mario Mario
Also oh my god dude, it seems like you have some serious problems with accepting AlphaDream's bankruptcy.
Nobody wanted this to happen, and everyone tried to have hope, but at the end they went bankrupt.
Look, I'm not able to get over it too but for god's sake, it's been more than a year, we should accept it and look forward.
Hi again
Would've liked to see Paper Mario's Partners and Pixls interact with the Bros.
The sad part about the papercraft mechanics is that it was the perfect opportunity to use the Koops Bros referencing their bowser robot.
All aside, this game confirms that paper mario and mario are different people
Yeah but... Did mario from M&L and Mario from Nintendo games are the same ? 🤔
@@Vecleas Mario from M&L and the Super series are the same. There's a theory that paper Mario from 64 - super is the same person as
The mainline and spinoffs, since Mario party 5(I think) and 8 have references to the paper saga so... Yes Mario has the star rod,partners, and the star spirits do exist in both dimensions.
Paper Luigi was my favorite side character in the paper Mario games. He would’ve been a fun addition to this kind of story.
Thanks for making this Mario & Luigi retrospective! It’s definitely an interesting franchise to explore and I love each video you put out
Congratulations! These videos got me hyped to go back and finish at least one of these 😅 good job!
To everyone wondering:
Paper Luigi was intendid in the game, but they devs found it too hard to control 4 characters
Edit: i wanted a liked comment but its in the video 😂
Partners in Time: Am I a joke to you?
@@bandankirb8982 Kind of, but that controls differently, imagine pressing A, B, X and Y just to jump or dodge an attack
@@bandankirb8982 The thing is though, you only ever dodged with two characters at a time in that game, even if there were technically 4 buttons used.
New Super Mario Bros Wii (with 4 player feature): Allow me to introduce myself
So basically: They said "fuck Paper Luigi"
That line about the paper bomb-omb, I felt that. I wasn’t ready for it and neither was anyone else.
Should’ve just made Paper Luigi the starlow of the game and give tutorials. Him giving the other Luigi a pep talk would’ve been nice but he’s chilling on a beach instead
I would have loved to see Fawful become the Shadow Queen's minion, or see the X-Nauts and Shroobs team up, or even Jr Troopa become Poppel's new partner. Literally anything from the other games in the series would have been nice.
Thanks, this series was my childhood. From Bowsers inside story to the remake of superstar saga, I have found memories of this series
Honestly even if it had Kersti as a partner in addition to Starlow it would've been way better.
She was loads of fun when she had Bowser and Dreambert to interact with, but here she basically exists to translate Mario and Luigi's gibberish.
Most excellent! Thanks for covering this series! 👍😎 Stay safe and keep on keeping on.
Tbh what I remember most from paper jam were the bosses. Maybe not the most unique designwise but the battles themselves were pretty unique and creative imo
paper luigi on the music player made so much sense. i loved it!
I was just discussing AlphaDream's bankruptcy on Discord a few minutes ago, what a coincidence!
If you pay attention to remakes' credits, you can tell there was a few notable staff from earlier games that were working on something else. It seemed that didn't work out especially when the remakes weren't enough to keep them afloat for the HD Transition. By this point though, I wonder where the developers went to now.
@@PIKMINROCK1 Was kinda a bad idea to put remakes on the 3DS when the Switch overshadowed it by the end of 2017 with BotW and Super Mario Odyssey.
@@sojiro856 The issue was those games were to keep the company afloat while they experimented in HD (most likely getting sprites to look good in HD). Their HD experiments ended up costing too much which is why went bankrupt. If the remakes were their main project, they could have gone on for a while longer and they most likely couldn't really put those remakes on the Switch.
Beans beans, they're good for your heart!
The more you eat, the more you--
Yeah it sucks Alpha Dream has filed for bankruptcy but I hope the series lives on in some way or another.
Great retrospective! I certainly enjoyed all the videos you've put out about the series!
Thank you so much for putting so much time and effort in the series I grew up with, really felt nostalgic a couple times
I love how king goomba will always be a half character in any game he’s in
personally i would rank the games like this: bowsers inside story, superstar saga, dream team, partners in time, paper jam
Mario and Luigi: Paper jam
One of Nintendo's loved franchises crossed with one of its most hated
Imagine if they brought back the old villains from both games. We could have had Shadow Queen Peach vs Bowletta in some way for a battle of two villains possessing another characters. There was a opportunity to have Dimentio and Fawful interacting with each other.
WE COULD OF HAD PERFERCTION!
Except every one of those characters is dead. Bringing them back would defeat the purpose of the previous adventures of both series
@@Mqstodon I know, but think about how many times has Bowser come back.
The Mario e luigi series marked my childhood. It is sad know how alpha dream is today. I still have some hope on nintendo switch. Btw Partners in time is my favorite game.
mario and luigi partners in time did use 4 buttons for each character, but it was only used in battles to do more damage, otherwise the babies and the adults would be doing seperate battles with two buttons. having the four buttons in paper jam would be tougher than in partners in time
I would have liked the challenge… or they could have had the bros pair up with their paper versions during counterattacking or dodging…
My Mario and Luigi list.
1. Partners in Time 🛸
2. Bowser's Inside Story 🧬
3. Superstar Saga 🌟
4. Dream Team 💭
5. Bowser Jr's Journey 🍗
6. Bowser's Minions 🚩
7. Paper Jam 🧻
Thanks for detailing all of these games for us, man! I always love a full series retrospective from someone who cares about said series, and you've done a great job capturing what made the good ones great and the meh ones meh. I'm definitely going to check out Superstar Saga and Bower's Inside Story now.
Is it just me or dose it look like paper Mario’s flossing
Thanks. Now I can't unsee it
19:29
Dude... REVIEW THOSE! I'd love to see a guy like you give the Ham-hams some love!
I love it how you are always so positive keep it up Antdude
Didn't get as much done at work as I wanted today, got road raged by a grandma, and off course the usual depression. I needed this summary of a game I'll never touch 😌 thanks Ant Dude
One of my favorite things in this game is definitely the battle cards. Building your own customizable deck is honestly just so appealing.
I think I'm a bit of an extremist when I say that the badge system is kinda lame, but battle cards were *awesome*
Battle cards can be way too op at times and i love that about the game .