Those phone connected security cameras too, linked to phone which can be used to nick your info on your phone plus they can look at what your phone picks up in full hd, zoom, infra red etc so free snooping under the radar.
@@MickH60 The Dealer Network is KTM, KTM agreed to sell CFMOTO products. 600 dealers would mean 12 dealers per state. Which 12 dealers per state would be more than any other motorcycle dealership I know of. Which would mean I should see more than 1 dealership. Traveling from San Francisco to Seattle but I saw exactly 1 dealership which was a KTM/CFMOTO dealership. And I saw exactly 0 CFMOTO motorcycles in ever on the roads
Do people not realise that CF Moto are huge? They are a serious company in the bike market. They aren't just a company aligned with KTM and have a bike called the 450MT. They have just had a rider win the Moto 3 world championship. They mean business. Whether people like it or not, they are in it for the long haul. I neither support or don't support them, but they are big and no one can deny that.
@iantoy7778 about half the product had serious problems right outa the crate and wasn't able to be sold. 6 month + backorder for parts that would crap out the same day/week ect. So many things. There v twin engines are just disaster. With fly by wire they limited throttle opening to 60% and we experienced less failures (rod bearings) Literally couldn't participate with this scam company anymore.
Some truth to this. Years ago cranes used to off load cargo in ports were replaced with cranes manufactured in China. It was found that buried in the software was code that tapped into network data and passed it on some how. Those cranes are being replaced now to eliminate that possibility.
When considering the demise of the Chinese companies consider that the Chinese market for these companies is more people than the US and Europe combined. Maybe not the same disposable income at present but early days yet.
over in SEA, we are now ahead of others, China EV bike manufacturers have been coming into our markets. thet have ev mopeds that can travel at the speed of 120kmph and more than 160km of range. Every year the range increases, with the latest of Chinese EV bikes, we are seeing 250km range by end of 2025.
Good on the yanks for waking up and acting prudent for once. I bet a good part of it is also their local industry lobbies' interests, but nevertheless.
one day we all be back riding royal enfields with no electronic crap on it... i personally dont need or want any of that distractng junk... i dont even want abs... just a simple bike i can fix meself..
Finish your brew grab your boots helmet and go for a ride on that amazing bike and leave that dark thinking to them that get paid huge amounts to take care of all that crap
End result is they screw you - the consumer. As you said, this is to protect their own industries as they cannot compete on either price and quality. Disgraceful conduct.
Disgraceful? Preemptive I would say. Yes there's plenty of memes for Harley, but does everyone want the the end of their own domestic industries and be even more reliant on China for everything? China restricts its own domestic market.
You do know GPS is a one way communication, the bike cant sent information out via the GPS satellites. GPS picks up signals from satellites and uses a lot of maths to determine your position. If you had an early GPS it took minutes to get a lock as the processors werent very powerful
Your Harley Davidson also wants you to attend Diversity, Equity and Inclusion training, and to also to become a Trans Ally, whatever the hell that means. Not what I expected from the Bikers around me.
This is good news. While the Chinese people are great, and I can even understand what their government does, I do think they have made a general nuisance of themselves. Scaring Philippino boat men by military boats, transgressing heretofore quite border areas with India and militarizing it, wiping off the culture of Tibet, usurious loans to Sri Lanka. The list ain’t short. The Xi government would benefit from this little lesson. I’ll buy an Interceptor or a Meteor.
The CFMoto TBox is a plug-in option - not a hardwired part of the TFT screen. Some countries include it free (and you can easily remove it) and some countries like mine keep the pricing down by NOT including it. Personally I won't buy it - I have a CarPlay GPS/Screen that links my phone instead - not locking me in to the motorcycle manufacturer. So if USA bans bikes with a TBox option - companies like CFMoto will simply NOT include TBox's for US delivered models. The bikes will still have the TFT - without the scary "tracking" going on 🤣
@@wesb123 BMW, Honda, you'd be surprised just how many vehicles have significant parts made in China, what about Tesla, apparently they are the most personally invasive information collecting cars on the planet, even filming the drivers and keeping the footage.... More paranoid "Reds under the beds" garbage, the only ones effected by this is the consumers, they always lose...
UK Motorcyle dealers are struggling …..full stop. Youngsters and the older generation are positively encouraged NOT to get on two wheels by incredibly high insurance premiums. Absolutely atrocious service from the staff in general who treat you as if they are doing you a favour by talking to you and whilst I accept the standards of driving has to improve, the complications attached to gaining your licence by government employed jobsworths is just ridiculous. Yes….there are dealers who don’t fit in with the above but service generally in the UK is poor…..just look at the public transport system….chaotic and unreliable. We put up with a TWD attitude….That Will Do!…..well for me who has dealt with the general public for over 55 years it’s NGE….Not Good Enough! I have recently bought my second Chinese motorcycle….same brand, the first was 2 1/2 years old and it was excellent, NOTHING failed and it was loaded with gadgets. Summary. 1. The salesman never returned any of my calls throughout the negotiations….I almost had to beg in order to buy. 2. Just yesterday I took the second bike for it’s 1st service a. They didn’t have the correct oil filter in stock….said “they” had sent the wrong one. b. Was told they hadn’t drained the oil as they did it last, (because it was hot!!!) the bike was rideable, they would do the rest of the service, I ride it home and bring it back the next day when they were promised delivery of the correct filter. c. I live 6 minutes away the garage. I suggested they pick me up from the coffee shop opposite the garage, run me home, collect me next day when the job was done OR I just collect the bike (and take it elsewhere) d. What garage drains the oil last? Whilst the oil is draining you get on with checking the rest of the bike over, on the first service that’s all they do! e. I was told the service would take one hour when booking it in. The service manager said he would want it for 2 hours as they check the bike over very carefully……..The first service is basically an oil change and check fluids, squeeze a few levers and a wipe over with an oily rag if you’re lucky. f. How did they know it was the wrong filter if it hadn’t been taken off? Was told the filter on my bike is the new version with 4 holes and not the usual ten or so…..you work it out. That my friends is just one example of my many experiences of dealing with main dealers over 60 years of motoring and why I never use them after the first service. I generally do it in house, we operate forestry machines and have a well kitted out workshop or use an independant for the more technical works that require specialist tools…..read software. The Chinese are building well made motorcycles, the engineering qualities are as good as anything from Japan or Europe and represent good value. That said, the industry will continue to suffer unless we improve riding standards to reduce insurance premiums and accidents on the highway. I drink black coffee…..Frequently asked in cafe’s….would you like hot or cold milk with your black coffee? A classic TWD approach and attitude. Enjoy your bikes whilst you can….I reckon for me it will be three more years when the insurers will refuse to provide cover, already finding obstacles when renewing and I have a string of riding qualifications having been professionally trained and exemplary riding record. A string of dealers have folded in the last month and this will continue unless we….as a nation….pull our socks up.
I just heard on the television news that Europe is going to increase the import duties of electric cars from China by 30 or 35 percent simply because they can't compete, I haven't heard anything about motorcycles so far. China is not going to leave it at that and is definitely thinking of taking measures. This has nothing to do with safety measures but everything to do with price competition. By the way, years ago they did the same thing in the US with Japanese motorcycles especially to save Harley Davidson from bankruptcy.
@@toqtoq3361 Indeed it is true that the Chinese companies are financially supported by their government, but the attitude of Asian workers is completely different from that of the Western population, you know when those people start a task that they want to complete it as quickly as possible and are even prepared to do this for free without any wages or what we know as overtime but unpaid, not that I am in favor of that on the contrary but I do not see that happening here anytime soon and it is simply incomprehensible to us. And that is also a major factor in the game of competition.
I was sceptical at first but I took a deep dive into the cfmoto cforce 1000 2025 ATV. That vehicle is very high quality for way less money than any high powered Cam-Am or Polaris etc. So yeah cfmoto has really stepped up their game and are giving the western brands very tough competition. You could be right on the trade war thing because it will be extremely hard to compete on price for the quality. They will win a lot of customers. I placed an order for one myself
I have a Chinese Xiaomi mobile phone, it lasts a whole week on a charge, the mrs has an iphone with a comparable size battery which barely lasts a day on a full charge and yet the rumours are spread that the Chinese phones are spying on you! The battery useage suggests the opposite? And they do this with all modern vehicles too, the Chinese vehicles i believe are less of a threat to your privacy than regular Western made ones but i would buy neither, only older vehicles for me!
It's just a repeat of the over 700cc tariff war on Japanese bikes from 40 years ago. HD sales are in free fall because they don't want new riders. Well, that's what their pricing tells me along with the Sportster S quality issues.
I think the average person does not give a shit. Not all cf motos have a t-box. The TFT display has nothing to do with it. The normal person going about their business does not constitute a security risk to west. However that all being said I do sort of understand the principle behind it, but as usual the americans have over hyped this too much.
Wonder if the government is looking at Tesla . As its been found they are the world's worst for their vehicles watching every thing you do and say is recorded and the biometrics are sold off . But are they looking at them.
@@lorimcquinn3966 You may well be right on this. I remember the case of Huawei. They ststed that this company was a security threat too. It was also highly competitive.
China has enough power and are able to create enough hardship in the US to stop or change any US policy they want to. Labor unions, The EPA, and government regulation have driven most manufacturing out of the US. The US would have great difficulties functioning without Chinese imports so anything that gets banned from being imported from China to the US will be things China goes along with. The US don't have much to say about it without risking massive shortages of necessary goods. The Chinese government couldn't care less if their average Joe suffers. You cannot win trade disputes with countries like that. You do things their way or not at all.
If I thought about it I'd be as concerned about what Mr Musk is doing with all the guff he is able to harvest from your Tesla if you have one than what cf moto might...
@@amitchakrabarti1403they’re migrating production to India slowly. About 25% of the new iPhone 16 phones in the US will come from India, and with subsequent models the goal is to increase that percentage to about 75%
None of these replies address the 150 million active iPhones currently in the US. Also, Russia and India have had strategic alliances since the late 1990's.
Defo economic trade war. I work in IT and the tech coming from China is way ahead of the western world. Most of the stuff is for the positive and less so, for negative. Appreciate that if one is a 'peasant', the tech wars for comms will not affect most people. If you work for MI5 etc, you will have specialist software on your comms to protect transmissions - and the governments know this - and China too 😆. The problem with China is it is now offering top quality products (motorcycles in this case) which is sending a panic across the industry. And, with the high import taxes, only the end consumer reaps the wrath - where as the government applying such a tax reaps the rewards financially. America thinks it is pioneering in it's tech, it is not.
Two things can at once be true. Their products can be superior AND their intent can be nefarious. Which I believe to be the case. After the pagers went off in Lebanon only a Smurf will doubt the legitimacy of American (and Indian and Japanese and Aussies) concerns about Chini products. Those Chini folk ain’t dumb.
1. When the UK followed the US and band Huawei 5G equipment, we have one of the worst networks in Europe. 2. The world market is much bigger than US and European market combined. Stock shortage is because the Global South is getting most of the stocks. 3. I trust a country who hasn't invaded, colonised, exploited or bombed another county for two centuries. 4. The US and Europe seems to like inflation. These bans will help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Protectionism has never helped an economy. All it did was drag out the Great Depression. They might have a point on Huawei recording everything though. Although I don't know what the Chinese want my dic pics for...
The Japanese government was also heavily subsidizing their vehicles and heavily taxing US vehicles. They STILL are. I don't know why we pretend that only America does this, when America does it less
The only thing on the bike my phone connects while riding is the headset via bluetooth, and that tends to be in case of emergency one day. For anything and everything else (camera, drone etc) I've always used my previous phone I've upgraded from simply to have the thing handy in the drone bag with all the other bits. And that holds no useful information to anyone because I'll have done a full reset when I stopped using it and also due to me being a deeply uninteresting person. When I ride it's for the enjoyment of the ride not to do admin fielding calls or online banking when I stop for a brew. Has the U.S Senate thought about Harley Davidson, they are now Chinese manufactured bikes.
The Ural/Dneiper motorcycles have a following in America. The Chinese tech laden bikes?. Take all the shite off them,wouldn't bother me at all. I've four bikes, a himalayan,a pre-unit Bullet,a 1996 GPZ305 and a 1978 GL1000,all bare bones bikes,I love bikes because they're bikes,not earthbound sattelites.
Ural is an American company now... and manufacture is in Kazakhstan it seems. Moreover, I doubt they have any way to link anything to your phone, or any microphone in them even... but who knows these days 😅
I enjoyed your subject and researched the topic. There are a combination of reasons for the legislation I could list, but in my view, this is the most important: business works best for everyone when countries operate under Adam Smith’s basic principles of free trade. This is the problem with trading with the CCP. By the nature of the government, it can’t function under those principles. I could continue if you’d like.
Great topic Ian! Its hard to decipher which side of the road to stand on anymore 🤷♂️. The most interesting is the comments by channel supporters. Better off riding then watching or listening to a bunch of crap we couldn't control if we want to. Pulled this up earlier: Worldwide sales figures for 2023 Harley. 162,771 Enfield. 920,000 Honda. 18,700,000 Yamaha. 4,830,000 Kawasaki. 440,000 Triumph. 100,000 Ducati. 58,224 BMW. 209,257 Suzuki. 1,091,000 Husqvarna. 67,000 KTM. 280,206 CF Moto. 150,000 Aprilla. 65,464 Indian. 385,432 Janus. ? Food for thought Numbers are from Google
As far as I know, no bikes at the moment have built in GPS or telecoms. They all require you to connect your phone and they just mirror the phone info on your dash. So all the Chinese have to do is drop the bluetooth connectivity from their bikes and they're good to go, if I've understood what you said correctly. If people need GPS they can still buy a Garmin or whatever or use their phone on its own. All you'd lose is the ability to control your phone from the bike's menu and maybe some other minor things like service info. Cars do have built in GPS, so they'd be a bigger problem.
The ban on DJI drones has stuck in the USA and that's still going ahead. DJI are a large, respected company and top of their game and if they'd do it to them I can believe they'll do the same to anything else they want. Still won't save Harley D though 🐇
yeah that's crazy, just pure protectionism. The UK has removed Hauwei mobile infrastruture on similar US orders and that's why UK mobile coverage in cities is so bad now.
I still struggle with anymore than the basics on my phone, but I watch what my grandson can do on his and it's just so natural to him. Different generation to me . The younger people having all the electronics on there bikes is as important as the engine to them and possible think my royal Enfields are just antiquated like me .
Did the U.S not ban Huawei 5G networks for security concerns and the UK government has stated Huawei must be removed from its own networks by 2027 over security concerns.
I have a feeling of the opposite, #CFMoto are going up yes I've had a Himalayan 411 enjoyed it but wasn't a Motorway bike happy at 65 mph I traded it for a CF Moto 650GT I was really impressed with it suspension was hard and caused me a few problems with a back injury from years ago I do prefer the adventure bike style and more oomph on the Motorway I've gone for a F650gs 3 weeks ago and the CF sold within 3 weeks at the dealers...... My backs now happy, we are in a age of technology it's going to be a interesting future Ian
Very interesting indeed Ian! I think it's mainly the security/military threat. The fact that Russia is included is the big giveaway. If it was just trade the US wouldn't bother including Russia in this.
That's really interesting. I think it will be all vehicles including ebikes and mobility scooters as well as bikes and cars. The tech will be used for pay per mile here in the UK. What's happening in USA is an attempt to prevent unfriendly states accessing the information via their systems but the tech will be used by our government to track and charge movement. Petrol bikes will be taxed off the road along with petrol cars. The world is dividing into continental superstates with separate but similar tech systems. We must enjoy our bikes while we can.
@@Erik-rp1hi I know what you mean but it seems the way they are all going now. Problem is I think the shit is going to hit the fan soon with wars around the world and know one will be able to get anything
Figuring out why certain things don't come to the US gets huge quick. For an old guy like me that has been into bikes for a long time, I drool over the standard type motorcycles most of the world gets but, do not come to the US. I'm currently working on a project 1970 Honda CL175 so I can have 18 inch wheels front and back that are near the same width. I have 3 Honda Cubs. the Cub was not available in the US from 1984 to 2019. I'm not paying over $5000 for a Cub C125. I would pay $1800 US for a Mexican Honda Wave. It has been a while since I got into this but, of the many things that are smuggled from Mexico to the US, Honda Waves are not one of them, not even parts of Honda Waves. There are tons of Chinese scooters here and they're cheap but, you do not want to get caught with a Honda Wave even if you're just parking it in your man cave to look at. Do not attempt to find logic in US politics.
I spouted vigorously 2 days ago on the same matter about this very matter on a 'builders channel', he was so impressed with his outbuilding security systems yet everything he said was tied to China security systems, once you install, link your phone that is it, they can track you anywhere!
Who the heck needs a navigation on his bike? Idon't like the Chinese but is it not dangerous to give the personal informatins to the Americans as well? Or to the British, Germans, French...
It's trade and security buddy, for the trade they would have to open factories in Europe to get round the tariffs and for security they would have to sell part of their so called company to a euro company etc, But just get a bike with basics like an enfield or BSA or even a cheap basic bike that jsu does what it says on the tin!
TFT screen just on itself does not need connectivity with a phone or anything .. They just add it because heaving a tft makes it easy to do so but there are bikes with TFT without any sort of connectivity or gps capabilities. If we talking about preference I prefer simple LCD screen.. I get used to my speed in LCD screen numbers on my old Kymco scooter and analog clocks are not as nice for me but this is just my preference. A trade war this may be, but for the motorcycles part if it .. They don't have their own small bikes to be fended off. CF moto and Kove can replace the TFTs with simple LCDs and there you go, no gps, no connectively needed.
I think it's a trade war.. And a bit more simple than being discussed. The American car market has been in decline for years. If you look at the new electric car market it's fallen on its arse. No one wants one especially in America where fuel is cheap. And us British can't afford to buy one, are unsure about future electric cost to charge and the range is rubbish. BUT the Chinese cars are taking over. MG a Chinese car company is probably doing better than FORD VAUXHALL in EV sales, why... because they are cheaper and just as good as others. It's just the Americans waving there muscles about.
I've been to many carnivals as a child and beyond . I have never maid the jump when considering G.O.P. politics , other than resentments . Or I've grown up now . . . T/C/E
And you really need to be more concerned about what your own government is doing with regards to taking liberties with your privacy, safety and security.
Interesting info and ive read it elsewhere as well. If the market in the USA is big enough for the chinese manufacturers then they can alter what electronic systems are provided on the bikes to work around these bans. Hypothetically that is and if its worth the cost. Personally id be happy with none of these extra electronic systems.
It may well do, but there's a whole world out there. The Americans have the Jones Act to protect their shipping industry but it hasn't stopped China making half the world's ships or having about 200 times the shipbuilding capacity as America.
Nah, it's mainly BS, the systems in question aren't compulsory anyway, they are an option, they just won't supply the parts to the American market, this isn't about data anyway, it's American protectionism and paranoia as usual...
I think it is a three prong issue with Chinese goods. Firstly the Americans and the West in general have long had tech fears regarding the possible invasive nature of Chinese tech products and computers. Chinese computer firms have been banned for some time in certain industries and the Americans fear what could be possible in the future through existing Chinese computer technology. Then there's the trade issue, which gives the Chinese a perceived unfair advantage with pricing due to their far cheaper materials and labour costs. Finally there's the political and ethics issues, which rather speak for themselves. Personally I wouldn't buy a Chinese bike because they are generally too tech driven to appeal to me and with so many new products turning over and companies springing up in China, I doubt very much the longer term security in parts supply for individual models. Royal Enfield keep their products simple and straight forward. They also have a very long term history of ongoing parts supply for models going back decades. I trust them far more than any 'fly by night' Chinese firm.
All Chinese companies have an obligation to share everything with their government. Everyone needs to do their own research, but the content in the video is starting to highlight the concerns that the world has...
A trade war could be a possibility, but , these places and tech items are a serious E-War security concern. As far as domestic US motorbike companies go, I would expect a crackdown in the future on where vehicle components are built and if they will be even allowed into the country.
Hi Ian, its got to about trade remember Regan putting high tariffs on Japanese m/cycles to protect the American m/cycle industry. If they were really concerned about Chinese tech they would have to do the same with phones laptops anything smart all that kind of stuff is either made in China or has Chinese components in them.
So this chap is flying the colors of Royal Enfield and quoting info from his buddy in India and expects me to think he is unbiased and on the level. That is at least as suspicious as the e-mail he quotes about the Chinese. Is he an influencer and surrogate for Royal Enfield? Solution: go downtown, buy a burner phone, and only use it for the vehicle connection only. Dont carry it with you, turn it off when not completing any updates, etc.
Have you modified the exhaust on your interceptor?? If yes, please do tell. As for Chinese bikes, I believe to is for both reasons you mentioned. Trade war AND security issues. It's the same with cheap Chinese electric vehicles. Not so much the onboard spy but the possibility of just switching off your vehicle, making it immobile.
Interesting indeed Ian I’ve heard about these possibilities in the US and as you rightly observe here in the UK we have a nasty habit of doffing our caps to uncle Sam’s every whim. Personally I’m frequently approached to review Chinese electronic products and I turn down as many as I take on. The equipment falls into three categories (TFT Car Play/ Video/GPS systems, Comms devices (helmet communications) and oddly tyre inflators! Just about every other channel is reviewing this kit and it’s no surprise given that the kit itself is supplied free and that affiliate sales links generate typically an 8% commission for the TH-cam channel. The irony is that the Chinese made kit and the motorbikes themselves are good but are on aggregate half the price or less of the “mainstream” competition. As far as CF Moto is concerned they are in an established collaboration with KTM and BMW with Voge for engine manufacture thus a clear link with European bike manufacturers. I do think it entirely possible that the US moves on tariffs are largely economically driven yet presented as a security risk issue the better to suppress objection. If so it amounts to a denial of value for money opportunities to people on lower incomes in the interests of a protectionist approach to “established” interests
I love hearing the thoughts of people around the world. Everything is not lovey-dovey like itchy boots. I mean, who doesn't like her blue eyes? I think the US is concerned about both topics. Some of it is about security, plus the US wants to shut "them" down. Your topic interests me. I am a Texas boy and if you can weed through the US's politics, there is another agenda going on that has nothing to do with politics. The real power is in that. It's entertaining to watch how the US has agendas with other countries. Do this or you get a big "X" next to the name of your country and you cannot trade with us. Do what we tell you and we will be buddies... My apologies, we have some arrogance in our policies. The Western world made China and if you look closely, we are starting to tear them down. C'est la vie I hate to get this political
All countries companies collect information through your phone etc. The same could be said for any country. Defiantly in my humble opinion trade. America is actually the worse for economic trade sanctions.
Chinese bikes and Cf moto are still rubbish. The quads in Australia look and run good for about a year then fall to bits underneath you. Every component is a compromise between price and quality.
Clueless comment mate, that's absolute rubbish, go look at the sheer amount of long term reviews now on CF moto and other brands of bikes, even here in Australia, then keep your biased garbage to yourself....
I hate cell phones and tft's anyway. I've got a 23 year old bike that I don't ride anyway. So I don't care anyway! Cheers mates John in St Louis Missouri !
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Those phone connected security cameras too, linked to phone which can be used to nick your info on your phone plus they can look at what your phone picks up in full hd, zoom, infra red etc so free snooping under the radar.
I am in the US, and I have seen only 1 dealership and I have never seen even 1 CFMOTO on the roads
There are over 600 CF moto dealers in the USA selling at least 10 different models....
@@MickH60 The Dealer Network is KTM, KTM agreed to sell CFMOTO products. 600 dealers would mean 12 dealers per state. Which 12 dealers per state would be more than any other motorcycle dealership I know of. Which would mean I should see more than 1 dealership. Traveling from San Francisco to Seattle but I saw exactly 1 dealership which was a KTM/CFMOTO dealership. And I saw exactly 0 CFMOTO motorcycles in ever on the roads
@@MickH60 Tell me how it is possible to have 600 dealers in USA when BMW Motorcycle has 149 in the US and BMW Cars only has 349 ….
@@MickH60where u get that info?
Christ, tell me whats not made and we all buy thats made in China
The T-box is an option and many markets don’t have it.
All new vehicles have the same tech ....
Will BMW and Mercedes get 100% tariff or Ban?
I've yet to see a CFmoto where I'm at in Pennsylvania
Do people not realise that CF Moto are huge? They are a serious company in the bike market. They aren't just a company aligned with KTM and have a bike called the 450MT. They have just had a rider win the Moto 3 world championship. They mean business. Whether people like it or not, they are in it for the long haul. I neither support or don't support them, but they are big and no one can deny that.
As a former cf moto dealer tech.... stay away from this company
@@john0270 what was the problem s?
@iantoy7778 about half the product had serious problems right outa the crate and wasn't able to be sold. 6 month + backorder for parts that would crap out the same day/week ect. So many things. There v twin engines are just disaster. With fly by wire they limited throttle opening to 60% and we experienced less failures (rod bearings)
Literally couldn't participate with this scam company anymore.
@@john0270 did not realise they was so bad
They will make the same like at cars. Happy that i bought 2 chinese Bikes!
What will happen if China bans US & German car brands? 😅
Some truth to this. Years ago cranes used to off load cargo in ports were replaced with cranes manufactured in China. It was found that buried in the software was code that tapped into network data and passed it on some how. Those cranes are being replaced now to eliminate that possibility.
When considering the demise of the Chinese companies consider that the Chinese market for these companies is more people than the US and Europe combined. Maybe not the same disposable income at present but early days yet.
over in SEA, we are now ahead of others, China EV bike manufacturers have been coming into our markets. thet have ev mopeds that can travel at the speed of 120kmph and more than 160km of range. Every year the range increases, with the latest of Chinese EV bikes, we are seeing 250km range by end of 2025.
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ROYAL ENFIELD BEAR 650 HAS TFT with Google Maps
@@SP.05 it's what modern riders want now days. If TFT does down they are all riding around in circles lost, because they rely on it so much lol
Good on the yanks for waking up and acting prudent for once.
I bet a good part of it is also their local industry lobbies' interests, but nevertheless.
I know many European parliaments won’t allow employees in the premises if they have TikTok on there phones as it’s a Chinese app.
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one day we all be back riding royal enfields with no electronic crap on it... i personally dont need or want any of that distractng junk... i dont even want abs... just a simple bike i can fix meself..
Finish your brew grab your boots helmet and go for a ride on that amazing bike and leave that dark thinking to them that get paid huge amounts to take care of all that crap
End result is they screw you - the consumer. As you said, this is to protect their own industries as they cannot compete on either price and quality. Disgraceful conduct.
Disgraceful?
Preemptive I would say.
Yes there's plenty of memes for Harley, but does everyone want the the end of their own domestic industries and be even more reliant on China for everything?
China restricts its own domestic market.
You do know GPS is a one way communication, the bike cant sent information out via the GPS satellites. GPS picks up signals from satellites and uses a lot of maths to determine your position. If you had an early GPS it took minutes to get a lock as the processors werent very powerful
I'm still using my motorcycle TomTom rider400 old but does me fine.
My Harley Davidson app wants to track me every where I ride, no difference.
I feel left out !!!!
My model A ford hasn’t a clue where we are !!!
Your Harley Davidson also wants you to attend Diversity, Equity and Inclusion training, and to also to become a Trans Ally, whatever the hell that means.
Not what I expected from the Bikers around me.
The Americans do this (Microsoft, google etc.). Discuss something bizarre in presence of your phone and wait for the emails relating to it.
A group of us done this at work at break time say key words and soon after adds for it come up on the phone.
This is good news. While the Chinese people are great, and I can even understand what their government does, I do think they have made a general nuisance of themselves. Scaring Philippino boat men by military boats, transgressing heretofore quite border areas with India and militarizing it, wiping off the culture of Tibet, usurious loans to Sri Lanka. The list ain’t short. The Xi government would benefit from this little lesson.
I’ll buy an Interceptor or a Meteor.
security LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL security for their pockets
spy ware in the software on electronic Equipment
I removed the Bluetooth module off my KTM 390 adventure from new.
The CFMoto TBox is a plug-in option - not a hardwired part of the TFT screen. Some countries include it free (and you can easily remove it) and some countries like mine keep the pricing down by NOT including it. Personally I won't buy it - I have a CarPlay GPS/Screen that links my phone instead - not locking me in to the motorcycle manufacturer. So if USA bans bikes with a TBox option - companies like CFMoto will simply NOT include TBox's for US delivered models. The bikes will still have the TFT - without the scary "tracking" going on 🤣
If Chinese bikes are band, it will devastate many motorcycle businesses. They'd close overnight.
KTM for sure will be cooked since they’re made by CF
@@wesb123 BMW, Honda, you'd be surprised just how many vehicles have significant parts made in China, what about Tesla, apparently they are the most personally invasive information collecting cars on the planet, even filming the drivers and keeping the footage.... More paranoid "Reds under the beds" garbage, the only ones effected by this is the consumers, they always lose...
BMW and Yamaha also.
I had in mind my local Main Stealer. They switched from Japanese bikes to Chinese. They may regret it now.
UK Motorcyle dealers are struggling …..full stop. Youngsters and the older generation are positively encouraged NOT to get on two wheels by incredibly high insurance premiums. Absolutely atrocious service from the staff in general who treat you as if they are doing you a favour by talking to you and whilst I accept the standards of driving has to improve, the complications attached to gaining your licence by government employed jobsworths is just ridiculous.
Yes….there are dealers who don’t fit in with the above but service generally in the UK is poor…..just look at the public transport system….chaotic and unreliable.
We put up with a TWD attitude….That Will Do!…..well for me who has dealt with the general public for over 55 years it’s NGE….Not Good Enough!
I have recently bought my second Chinese motorcycle….same brand, the first was 2 1/2 years old and it was excellent, NOTHING failed and it was loaded with gadgets.
Summary.
1. The salesman never returned any of my calls throughout the negotiations….I almost had to beg in order to buy.
2. Just yesterday I took the second bike for it’s 1st service
a. They didn’t have the correct oil filter in stock….said “they” had sent the wrong one.
b. Was told they hadn’t drained the oil as they did it last, (because it was hot!!!) the bike was rideable, they would do the rest of the service, I ride it home and bring it back the next day when they were promised delivery of the correct filter.
c. I live 6 minutes away the garage. I suggested they pick me up from the coffee shop opposite the garage, run me home, collect me next day when the job was done OR I just collect the bike (and take it elsewhere)
d. What garage drains the oil last? Whilst the oil is draining you get on with checking the rest of the bike over, on the first service that’s all they do!
e. I was told the service would take one hour when booking it in. The service manager said he would want it for 2 hours as they check the bike over very carefully……..The first service is basically an oil change and check fluids, squeeze a few levers and a wipe over with an oily rag if you’re lucky.
f. How did they know it was the wrong filter if it hadn’t been taken off? Was told the filter on my bike is the new version with 4 holes and not the usual ten or so…..you work it out.
That my friends is just one example of my many experiences of dealing with main dealers over 60 years of motoring and why I never use them after the first service. I generally do it in house, we operate forestry machines and have a well kitted out workshop or use an independant for the more technical works that require specialist tools…..read software.
The Chinese are building well made motorcycles, the engineering qualities are as good as anything from Japan or Europe and represent good value.
That said, the industry will continue to suffer unless we improve riding standards to reduce insurance premiums and accidents on the highway.
I drink black coffee…..Frequently asked in cafe’s….would you like hot or cold milk with your black coffee? A classic TWD approach and attitude.
Enjoy your bikes whilst you can….I reckon for me it will be three more years when the insurers will refuse to provide cover, already finding obstacles when renewing and I have a string of riding qualifications having been professionally trained and exemplary riding record.
A string of dealers have folded in the last month and this will continue unless we….as a nation….pull our socks up.
I just heard on the television news that Europe is going to increase the import duties of electric cars from China by 30 or 35 percent simply because they can't compete, I haven't heard anything about motorcycles so far. China is not going to leave it at that and is definitely thinking of taking measures. This has nothing to do with safety measures but everything to do with price competition. By the way, years ago they did the same thing in the US with Japanese motorcycles especially to save Harley Davidson from bankruptcy.
@@toqtoq3361 Indeed it is true that the Chinese companies are financially supported by their government, but the attitude of Asian workers is completely different from that of the Western population, you know when those people start a task that they want to complete it as quickly as possible and are even prepared to do this for free without any wages or what we know as overtime but unpaid, not that I am in favor of that on the contrary but I do not see that happening here anytime soon and it is simply incomprehensible to us. And that is also a major factor in the game of competition.
evidence that going green isn’t really that important to governments otherwise they would be encouraging us to buy them
EU legacy autos cheating on emissions with "Dieselgate" cost billions, no wonder they can't compete.
If you own a mobile phone (which is probably manufactured in China) you are tracked anyway
I was sceptical at first but I took a deep dive into the cfmoto cforce 1000 2025 ATV. That vehicle is very high quality for way less money than any high powered Cam-Am or Polaris etc. So yeah cfmoto has really stepped up their game and are giving the western brands very tough competition. You could be right on the trade war thing because it will be extremely hard to compete on price for the quality. They will win a lot of customers. I placed an order for one myself
I have a Chinese Xiaomi mobile phone, it lasts a whole week on a charge, the mrs has an iphone with a comparable size battery which barely lasts a day on a full charge and yet the rumours are spread that the Chinese phones are spying on you! The battery useage suggests the opposite? And they do this with all modern vehicles too, the Chinese vehicles i believe are less of a threat to your privacy than regular Western made ones but i would buy neither, only older vehicles for me!
That's why they banned Huawei, because it didn't have backdoors i.e. exploding pagers.
It's just a repeat of the over 700cc tariff war on Japanese bikes from 40 years ago. HD sales are in free fall because they don't want new riders. Well, that's what their pricing tells me along with the Sportster S quality issues.
I think the average person does not give a shit. Not all cf motos have a t-box. The TFT display has nothing to do with it.
The normal person going about their business does not constitute a security risk to west. However that all being said I do sort of understand the principle behind it, but as usual the americans have over hyped this too much.
Wonder if the government is looking at Tesla . As its been found they are the world's worst for their vehicles watching every thing you do and say is recorded and the biometrics are sold off . But are they looking at them.
Now you can actually breathe and shine hey shanghai china
My gut feeling is that this is chiefly a Protectionist measure to stifle competition?
Who are they protecting? There's no ADV or ATV manufactures in the USA other than the one very large bike HD makes.
@@lorimcquinn3966 You may well be right on this. I remember the case of Huawei. They ststed that this company was a security threat too. It was also highly competitive.
China has enough power and are able to create enough hardship in the US to stop or change any US policy they want to.
Labor unions, The EPA, and government regulation have driven most manufacturing out of the US. The US would have great difficulties functioning without Chinese imports so anything that gets banned from being imported from China to the US will be things China goes along with. The US don't have much to say about it without risking massive shortages of necessary goods.
The Chinese government couldn't care less if their average Joe suffers. You cannot win trade disputes with countries like that. You do things their way or not at all.
US hypocrisy is unreal, Trump recently celebrated Elon Musk onstage, yet his largest and most profitable manufacturing plant is in China.
If I thought about it I'd be as concerned about what Mr Musk is doing with all the guff he is able to harvest from your Tesla if you have one than what cf moto might...
Are they going to stop making Apple phones in China.
Yes, they have shifted production to India
@@amitchakrabarti1403they’re migrating production to India slowly. About 25% of the new iPhone 16 phones in the US will come from India, and with subsequent models the goal is to increase that percentage to about 75%
I think they are transferring to being built in India, so maybe China is already a head of the game.
We shouldn’t be manufacturing anything in China as long as the communist regime is in power
None of these replies address the 150 million active iPhones currently in the US. Also, Russia and India have had strategic alliances since the late 1990's.
Defo economic trade war. I work in IT and the tech coming from China is way ahead of the western world. Most of the stuff is for the positive and less so, for negative. Appreciate that if one is a 'peasant', the tech wars for comms will not affect most people. If you work for MI5 etc, you will have specialist software on your comms to protect transmissions - and the governments know this - and China too 😆. The problem with China is it is now offering top quality products (motorcycles in this case) which is sending a panic across the industry. And, with the high import taxes, only the end consumer reaps the wrath - where as the government applying such a tax reaps the rewards financially. America thinks it is pioneering in it's tech, it is not.
Two things can at once be true. Their products can be superior AND their intent can be nefarious. Which I believe to be the case. After the pagers went off in Lebanon only a Smurf will doubt the legitimacy of American (and Indian and Japanese and Aussies) concerns about Chini products. Those Chini folk ain’t dumb.
Well said I agree 100%
1. When the UK followed the US and band Huawei 5G equipment, we have one of the worst networks in Europe.
2. The world market is much bigger than US and European market combined. Stock shortage is because the Global South is getting most of the stocks.
3. I trust a country who hasn't invaded, colonised, exploited or bombed another county for two centuries.
4. The US and Europe seems to like inflation. These bans will help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
good boy, you got all the talking points you were instructed to mention. you can go cash in your 5毛 now.
@@apux6692 That reply isn't real intelligent considering he's 100% correct...
Protectionism has never helped an economy. All it did was drag out the Great Depression. They might have a point on Huawei recording everything though. Although I don't know what the Chinese want my dic pics for...
The bike world market is not the just the Us and euro like you say .. the market in Asia alone is massive alone ..
I believe royal enfield will be next. All because they offer a bike for cheaper that works.
Definitely just a trade war thing, they did a similar thing with Japanese bikes and cars back in the day.
The Japanese government was also heavily subsidizing their vehicles and heavily taxing US vehicles. They STILL are. I don't know why we pretend that only America does this, when America does it less
@@logangodofcandy sure mate, you obviously haven't been to Japan....
The only thing on the bike my phone connects while riding is the headset via bluetooth, and that tends to be in case of emergency one day. For anything and everything else (camera, drone etc) I've always used my previous phone I've upgraded from simply to have the thing handy in the drone bag with all the other bits. And that holds no useful information to anyone because I'll have done a full reset when I stopped using it and also due to me being a deeply uninteresting person. When I ride it's for the enjoyment of the ride not to do admin fielding calls or online banking when I stop for a brew.
Has the U.S Senate thought about Harley Davidson, they are now Chinese manufactured bikes.
not every motorcycle comes with t box, also just dont connect it, its not mandatory.
The Ural/Dneiper motorcycles have a following in America.
The Chinese tech laden bikes?.
Take all the shite off them,wouldn't bother me at all.
I've four bikes, a himalayan,a pre-unit Bullet,a 1996 GPZ305 and a 1978 GL1000,all bare bones bikes,I love bikes because they're bikes,not
earthbound sattelites.
Why I like my royal Enfields
Ural is an American company now... and manufacture is in Kazakhstan it seems. Moreover, I doubt they have any way to link anything to your phone, or any microphone in them even... but who knows these days 😅
I enjoyed your subject and researched the topic. There are a combination of reasons for the legislation I could list, but in my view, this is the most important: business works best for everyone when countries operate under Adam Smith’s basic principles of free trade. This is the problem with trading with the CCP. By the nature of the government, it can’t function under those principles. I could continue if you’d like.
You're completely right, and zero countries will ever accept free trade, which makes tariffs very important
It’s all about Money Money Money and Trade after all your talking about the US
Great topic Ian! Its hard to decipher which side of the road to stand on anymore 🤷♂️.
The most interesting is the comments by channel supporters.
Better off riding then watching or listening to a bunch of crap we couldn't control if we want to.
Pulled this up earlier:
Worldwide sales figures for 2023
Harley. 162,771
Enfield. 920,000
Honda. 18,700,000
Yamaha. 4,830,000
Kawasaki. 440,000
Triumph. 100,000
Ducati. 58,224
BMW. 209,257
Suzuki. 1,091,000
Husqvarna. 67,000
KTM. 280,206
CF Moto. 150,000
Aprilla. 65,464
Indian. 385,432
Janus. ?
Food for thought
Numbers are from Google
Thanks. Interesting looking at the numbers
Interesting, but does Indian reality out sell Harley by slightly more than two to one!?!
@@Brit_Toolmaker I researched it out of curiosity. Look it up!
Kawasaki seemed way low also
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cf moto is basically ktm so...
Friggin’ Murkins
As far as I know, no bikes at the moment have built in GPS or telecoms. They all require you to connect your phone and they just mirror the phone info on your dash. So all the Chinese have to do is drop the bluetooth connectivity from their bikes and they're good to go, if I've understood what you said correctly. If people need GPS they can still buy a Garmin or whatever or use their phone on its own. All you'd lose is the ability to control your phone from the bike's menu and maybe some other minor things like service info.
Cars do have built in GPS, so they'd be a bigger problem.
Some CFMOTO motorcycles have built in stand-alone GPS and telecoms.
The ban on DJI drones has stuck in the USA and that's still going ahead. DJI are a large, respected company and top of their game and if they'd do it to them I can believe they'll do the same to anything else they want. Still won't save Harley D though 🐇
yeah that's crazy, just pure protectionism. The UK has removed Hauwei mobile infrastruture on similar US orders and that's why UK mobile coverage in cities is so bad now.
Had a CF MOTO for a year now . never had any interest in linking my phone to it . Not a tech geek .
I still struggle with anymore than the basics on my phone, but I watch what my grandson can do on his and it's just so natural to him. Different generation to me . The younger people having all the electronics on there bikes is as important as the engine to them and possible think my royal Enfields are just antiquated like me .
Did the U.S not ban Huawei 5G networks for security concerns and the UK government has stated Huawei must be removed from its own networks by 2027 over security concerns.
Security concerns: "Oh dear this stuff is better than Apple, Qualcomm and Cisco, better ban it."
Whatever the stated reason behind it, it is quite possibly not the real reason. That's how it normally is :)
Thanks for the heads up mate ,old jimmy Australia I got the 452 R, Enfeild
ccp will be mapping everything
Better check my Chinese toilet in case its sending shxt to v-china 😮
I have a feeling of the opposite, #CFMoto are going up yes I've had a Himalayan 411 enjoyed it but wasn't a Motorway bike happy at 65 mph I traded it for a CF Moto 650GT I was really impressed with it suspension was hard and caused me a few problems with a back injury from years ago I do prefer the adventure bike style and more oomph on the Motorway I've gone for a F650gs 3 weeks ago and the CF sold within 3 weeks at the dealers...... My backs now happy, we are in a age of technology it's going to be a interesting future Ian
Easy fix. No connectivity app. Problem solved.
Very interesting indeed Ian! I think it's mainly the security/military threat. The fact that Russia is included is the big giveaway. If it was just trade the US wouldn't bother including Russia in this.
That's really interesting. I think it will be all vehicles including ebikes and mobility scooters as well as bikes and cars. The tech will be used for pay per mile here in the UK. What's happening in USA is an attempt to prevent unfriendly states accessing the information via their systems but the tech will be used by our government to track and charge movement. Petrol bikes will be taxed off the road along with petrol cars. The world is dividing into continental superstates with separate but similar tech systems. We must enjoy our bikes while we can.
Will they ban trackers too for the same reasons, if they originate from less friendly countries?
KTM has to stop farming out making their bikes to china and india.
@@Erik-rp1hi I know what you mean but it seems the way they are all going now. Problem is I think the shit is going to hit the fan soon with wars around the world and know one will be able to get anything
as most systems are made in china this will work well ,the US are protecting their workforces
Figuring out why certain things don't come to the US gets huge quick. For an old guy like me that has been into bikes for a long time, I drool over the standard type motorcycles most of the world gets but, do not come to the US. I'm currently working on a project 1970 Honda CL175 so I can have 18 inch wheels front and back that are near the same width. I have 3 Honda Cubs. the Cub was not available in the US from 1984 to 2019. I'm not paying over $5000 for a Cub C125. I would pay $1800 US for a Mexican Honda Wave. It has been a while since I got into this but, of the many things that are smuggled from Mexico to the US, Honda Waves are not one of them, not even parts of Honda Waves. There are tons of Chinese scooters here and they're cheap but, you do not want to get caught with a Honda Wave even if you're just parking it in your man cave to look at. Do not attempt to find logic in US politics.
Sorry man to disappoint you but world doesn’t end on USA. Chinese motorcycles are more popular on European, Asia and Africa markets.
Uncle Sam' self interest.
I spouted vigorously 2 days ago on the same matter about this very matter on a 'builders channel', he was so impressed with his outbuilding security systems yet everything he said was tied to China security systems, once you install, link your phone that is it, they can track you anywhere!
Who the heck needs a navigation on his bike? Idon't like the Chinese but is it not dangerous to give the personal informatins to the Americans as well? Or to the British, Germans, French...
It's trade and security buddy, for the trade they would have to open factories in Europe to get round the tariffs and for security they would have to sell part of their so called company to a euro company etc, But just get a bike with basics like an enfield or BSA or even a cheap basic bike that jsu does what it says on the tin!
TFT screen just on itself does not need connectivity with a phone or anything .. They just add it because heaving a tft makes it easy to do so but there are bikes with TFT without any sort of connectivity or gps capabilities. If we talking about preference I prefer simple LCD screen.. I get used to my speed in LCD screen numbers on my old Kymco scooter and analog clocks are not as nice for me but this is just my preference. A trade war this may be, but for the motorcycles part if it .. They don't have their own small bikes to be fended off. CF moto and Kove can replace the TFTs with simple LCDs and there you go, no gps, no connectively needed.
But would they is the question, if other brands have all the electronics that the public want.
I think it's a trade war.. And a bit more simple than being discussed. The American car market has been in decline for years. If you look at the new electric car market it's fallen on its arse. No one wants one especially in America where fuel is cheap. And us British can't afford to buy one, are unsure about future electric cost to charge and the range is rubbish. BUT the Chinese cars are taking over.
MG a Chinese car company is probably doing better than FORD VAUXHALL in EV sales, why... because they are cheaper and just as good as others. It's just the Americans waving there muscles about.
I've been to many carnivals as a child and beyond . I have never maid the jump when considering G.O.P. politics , other than resentments . Or I've grown up now . . . T/C/E
Tariffs on foreign goods are GOP politics? Better tell that to literally every political party in every country on earth.
And you really need to be more concerned about what your own government is doing with regards to taking liberties with your privacy, safety and security.
The ignorance of some peoples knowledge about what is imported from Russia to the US.
Your Govt is as trustworthy as China/Russia!
interesting
Read into it what you think but there is no smoke without fire, our security services know a lot more than we think.
Hi Ian its food for thought plus very interesting tbh , ride safe mate
Interesting info and ive read it elsewhere as well. If the market in the USA is big enough for the chinese manufacturers then they can alter what electronic systems are provided on the bikes to work around these bans. Hypothetically that is and if its worth the cost. Personally id be happy with none of these extra electronic systems.
Just the threat will kill CF Moto sales in the states.
It may well do, but there's a whole world out there. The Americans have the Jones Act to protect their shipping industry but it hasn't stopped China making half the world's ships or having about 200 times the shipbuilding capacity as America.
Nah, it's mainly BS, the systems in question aren't compulsory anyway, they are an option, they just won't supply the parts to the American market, this isn't about data anyway, it's American protectionism and paranoia as usual...
I think it is a three prong issue with Chinese goods. Firstly the Americans and the West in general have long had tech fears regarding the possible invasive nature of Chinese tech products and computers. Chinese computer firms have been banned for some time in certain industries and the Americans fear what could be possible in the future through existing Chinese computer technology. Then there's the trade issue, which gives the Chinese a perceived unfair advantage with pricing due to their far cheaper materials and labour costs. Finally there's the political and ethics issues, which rather speak for themselves. Personally I wouldn't buy a Chinese bike because they are generally too tech driven to appeal to me and with so many new products turning over and companies springing up in China, I doubt very much the longer term security in parts supply for individual models. Royal Enfield keep their products simple and straight forward. They also have a very long term history of ongoing parts supply for models going back decades. I trust them far more than any 'fly by night' Chinese firm.
If the USA, Europe and the UK are incapable of testing imported electronic equipment the West is DOOMED.
CFMoto aren't "fly by night", they've been selling in the UK for over a decade, and manufacture components for KTM and Yamaha.
All Chinese companies have an obligation to share everything with their government. Everyone needs to do their own research, but the content in the video is starting to highlight the concerns that the world has...
Weird paranoia.
I am sure the chinese government are really interested in where my robo vac cleans every few days. (not)
@@esrider7765 To spy on the important people must spy on all the people.
1.4 billion Chinese people sit in front of a monitor to look at what people do around the world everyday.
@@kl9518 Each Chinese person has 6 monitors to watch to cover everyone. 20 people work at the CFMoto factory making all the bikes, they're very busy.
A trade war could be a possibility, but , these places and tech items are a serious E-War security concern.
As far as domestic US motorbike companies go, I would expect a crackdown in the future on where vehicle components are built and if they will be even allowed into the country.
Hi Ian, its got to about trade remember Regan putting high tariffs on Japanese m/cycles to protect the American m/cycle industry. If they were really concerned about Chinese tech they would have to do the same with phones laptops anything smart all that kind of stuff is either made in China or has Chinese components in them.
Every app takes your data.
Great news I actually managed to join the channel, its not a lot but hope it buys a coffee, Don
Thanks Dan. It all helps. Your support is much appreciated.
So this chap is flying the colors of Royal Enfield and quoting info from his buddy in India and expects me to think he is unbiased and on the level. That is at least as suspicious as the e-mail he quotes about the Chinese. Is he an influencer and surrogate for Royal Enfield? Solution: go downtown, buy a burner phone, and only use it for the vehicle connection only. Dont carry it with you, turn it off when not completing any updates, etc.
😂😂😂
Have you modified the exhaust on your interceptor?? If yes, please do tell. As for Chinese bikes, I believe to is for both reasons you mentioned. Trade war AND security issues. It's the same with cheap Chinese electric vehicles. Not so much the onboard spy but the possibility of just switching off your vehicle, making it immobile.
We'll talk about the exhaust another time. Well spotted
Interesting indeed Ian I’ve heard about these possibilities in the US and as you rightly observe here in the UK we have a nasty habit of doffing our caps to uncle Sam’s every whim. Personally I’m frequently approached to review Chinese electronic products and I turn down as many as I take on. The equipment falls into three categories (TFT Car Play/ Video/GPS systems, Comms devices (helmet communications) and oddly tyre inflators! Just about every other channel is reviewing this kit and it’s no surprise given that the kit itself is supplied free and that affiliate sales links generate typically an 8% commission for the TH-cam channel. The irony is that the Chinese made kit and the motorbikes themselves are good but are on aggregate half the price or less of the “mainstream” competition. As far as CF Moto is concerned they are in an established collaboration with KTM and BMW with Voge for engine manufacture thus a clear link with European bike manufacturers. I do think it entirely possible that the US moves on tariffs are largely economically driven yet presented as a security risk issue the better to suppress objection. If so it amounts to a denial of value for money opportunities to people on lower incomes in the interests of a protectionist approach to “established” interests
I love hearing the thoughts of people around the world. Everything is not lovey-dovey like itchy boots. I mean, who doesn't like her blue eyes?
I think the US is concerned about both topics. Some of it is about security, plus the US wants to shut "them" down.
Your topic interests me. I am a Texas boy and if you can weed through the US's politics, there is another agenda going on that has nothing to do with politics. The real power is in that. It's entertaining to watch how the US has agendas with other countries. Do this or you get a big "X" next to the name of your country and you cannot trade with us. Do what we tell you and we will be buddies... My apologies, we have some arrogance in our policies.
The Western world made China and if you look closely, we are starting to tear them down. C'est la vie
I hate to get this political
All countries companies collect information through your phone etc. The same could be said for any country. Defiantly in my humble opinion trade. America is actually the worse for economic trade sanctions.
Maybe but we don't know the bigger picture,only what we see in the news. Beyond me IAM only a simpleton 😉
@@iantoy7778 No mate I’m afraid the old saying were like mushrooms fed shit and kept from the light lol
Typical U.S who do what they want and stuff the rest of the world!
They're only screwing themselves...
Chinese bikes and Cf moto are still rubbish. The quads in Australia look and run good for about a year then fall to bits underneath you. Every component is a compromise between price and quality.
Clueless comment mate, that's absolute rubbish, go look at the sheer amount of long term reviews now on CF moto and other brands of bikes, even here in Australia, then keep your biased garbage to yourself....
This guy never ride a cf moto 450 mt 😂😂😂
I hate cell phones and tft's anyway. I've got a 23 year old bike that I don't ride anyway. So I don't care anyway! Cheers mates John in St Louis Missouri !
and nobody cares about your comment either......zero fucks all round.