The real reason people hate on EBIKES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Let’s delve into why EVERYBODY is pushing E-bikes right now,
Back to bring you another 100% clear and concise one-sided argument with total and complete fact based objectivity.
0:00 you need an e-bike
0:22 Why is there an E bike hype
1:30 The changed perception of E MTB
2:00 Remi Metailler’s E bike Video
2:30 Obvious PR campaigns
3:50 Why e bikes are bad
4:00 E bikes are unfair
4:34 Why are E bikes so expensive
5:30 Honest reviews on E MTB’s
5:35 More rides in one day
5:48 Why are E-bikes ugly
6:40 Why do people hate on E MTB’s
8:15 Climbing regular bike vs E bike
9:15 It’s not the same thing
10:10 E bikes are too expensive
10:20 E bikes are too heavy
10:40 E bikes are the future
10:45 Meeting a real live E-biker
12:10 Conclusion (Don’t skip ;) ) - กีฬา
My 2 cents, it's come to the point where there are more eBikers complaining about "people hating on eBikes" than people actually complaining about eBikes. For every 1 rider I encounter that complains about ebikes, I encounter 20 people on eBikes explaining in details why they use an eBike like they have something to prove. Just ride your bikes/ebikes guys.
Ebikers are a sensitive bunch
Love my EBIKE and a few weeks off 60 I'm looking forward to 10 more years hopefully.
Yep i,m a real mtb er hate the word anal log bike and have every e biker i meet justifing there ebike addiction i could not really give a fuck if they suck Elon musks dick who cares i think they feel guilt or shame because there fat as fk and still slow oh i,m fitt as fuck and have never been passed buy e biker that was leagal . Its a crazy world.
The thumbnail is great 😂😂😂
Edit: So is the rest of the vid lmfao “your paraplegic aunt takes to the library” 🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
Can thank the art of AI for the thumbnail, the video you can thank the art of adhd
I like how you came around to just talk sense to your viewers. There's no need to divide the MTB community just because of what bikes people choose to ride. If it gets more people out riding the trials, and enjoying the outdoors, the better.
I'm 40 and will be picking up my first eMTB in March, and I had varying reasons for choosing to get one, with cost being a big factor making me check I was doing this for all the right reasons. I'll still be keeping my normal MTB for times when we ride with other friends not on eMTB's and when we're riding smaller trail networks that are technical and don't take more than 2 hours to fully ride the loop. Prior to making the final decision I rented an eMTB with a friend at a bike park. We got to enjoy a full 6 hours on the trails, compared to 2-3 hours on our normal bikes.
The main reason for getting one is for full day rides. Our local trail networks are rather limited (Ottawa doesn't have nearly the same quantity/quality of trail networks as BC does in the Fraser Valley). So, we tend to look to head North and South East of Montreal for some great riding spots, but that's a 2-3 hour drive. If I'm the car for 4-6 hours round trip, I want to maximize my actual ride time, and the eMTB does just that.
Back to the costs point, yeah the pricing is ridiculous. I can buy a Honda CRF250 for what I paid for my eMTB (Specialized Levo Comp Alloy), and that's after a 30% discount on the Levo! It was a real mental gymnastics hurdle to get over the sticker shock once I started researching eMTB's.
In the end, enjoy what you ride.
Hey Navan, oh and thanks for watching the full thing haha! I'm pretty sure that people who don't watch the end will not get what the video is about 😆Maybe a bit risky but meh, found it funny.
Cheers for the comment, was interesting to hear your thoughts!
Score a scor e bike and it was because Im getting old and playing hard. My dirt jumper single speed is hard to keep up. I'll take it every where i had too. But now ebike time.
If it gets more people out riding the trials, and enjoying the outdoors, the better.
Preach brother.
I got an e bike because I wanted to take a week long vacation and go hard every day of the vacation. ended up with 135 miles and 30,000 feet of climbing in 5 days of mountain biking.
I bought a used 2022 Giant E-Reign last year and used it on the north shore for a couple months before selling. It was fun but after my experience I'm happy to stick with the acoustic bike for the time being. After riding a 35lb carbon enduro bike it feels like riding a tank on the steep downhills on the e-bike and it was not as fun a my regular bike being not as poppy and playful. Also, while you still get some exercise, I have to say it's nowhere near the same thing as climbing on a normal mtb. Some people might not care about that but lets at least be honest; you will not reach the edge of your lung capacity or cardio ability. I like that feeling after a tough ride of feeling drained. I'm sure I'll get another e-bike at some point; they have their place but I'll stick with leg power for now.
I had an ebike and have friends who have ebikes. Personally I did not like the feel of the bike as it is too heavy and you need way bigger brakes on an ebike than on a bike.
It didn't just feel too heavy but also the delivered power was uncontrolled - unless I ran it at the lowest support level - which pretty much defeats the purpose.
With the motor being so powerfull and the bike was tuned for a intermediat customer ( I am just guessing here) as there was too little support and the chassis was super unstable. Dial up the LSC and have a harsh ride? Not a great solution either.
So climbing was great until you needed to make a power move that pushed the weight so far back that it was easy to loose the front and also get too deep into the travel - which then would spring up again when you let of the power to be able to make a move over a big rock/log or whatever and something I never got used to. The timing always felt hard to predict.
I bet that if I the tune was firmer and the AS was higher - which would need an idler to mitigate the AS on the descent - it would feel so mich better.
It might be a "getting used to it" thing. I had 2 other bikes at the same time and it was kinda hard to want to use the e bike for anything but big rides. Mostly because the fact that I do not have huge mountains near me and all the trails we ride here are just natural twisty trails that will be more fun on a nimble bike than a big bruiser.
So I am a bit conflicted on the whole e bike or no e bike as the ebike does not feel as good as my bike does. But my bike does not fly up the hill like an ebike does. Wo what do I want? Well I think I really want both 🤣🤣 But if I had to choose I'd rather have my bike for the awesome feel it delivers - rather than getting a few more laps in. I mean I live in a place where we have a few areas to rinde in but the nice trails are few and far between. If I only had an ebike the "wear-out-effect" of said nice trails would kick in way faster than it does now. That's how I felt when I had the ebike, at least. That why I always rode further and further away from home - just to find more stuff to ride.... maybe a gravel bike is a better option then....and E-Gravel bike 🤣🤣
What I would want is a e bike that supprts me like 20% on the climbs so I can be a bit faster but feel exactly like my current bike on the way down. Like add a single kilo or two - that's ok...don't add 7kg.
Don’t forget the 155 5dev cranks for the eeb when you get it
I am going to guess ebike messengers and kids buying from shoddy amazon sellers traumatized them. Else it can only be explained as inner jealousy. But on mountain/gravel trails I've seen nothing but decent eMTBs ridden by well-mannered people.
Only thing that puts me off is the weight; can't carry it upstairs easily without elevator. I also hear it makes ride different as weight distribution changes. But I've checked out Trek Fuel EXe and it is lighter than I thought! But I can't afford it, so basically weight and price are two big concerns.
I bought a levo turbo alloy for my son and I used for a couple of rides since he didn't want to have anything to do with it, too big too heavy (probably too dorky), I really enjoyed the experience for climbing but almost no trails are suited for it were I live and at the price we paid I couldn't keep it for the occasional rides up north... All in all I wouldn't enjoy doing the trails I do with it but maybe in a different location I'd see the value.
That guy you met at the end proves the point that when I'll be older I'll probably buy another one 😂
I've got a few bikes in my fleet, & one is a eeb, my moto is "different bikes different rides" 🤪
Nice landscape there, buddy! . Where are you riding? Looks like north shore trails. (I’m from USA and only recognize them from countless videos)
Hey Jeremy!
Yeah good eye It's Mt Fromme on the North Shore ;)
Oh for sure, honestly it ruined some of the magic of exploration for me when I moved here, I had seen many of the trails online before riding them
I look at the ebike as a training tool. On an analog ride, I’m at 160-170 avg bpm HR. Riding several days in a row gets me exhausted. It’s nice to add in an ebike day or 2 per week. I can keep my HR to 140 or below and still go fast and have fun on the ebike. It just means more riding, and that is never bad.
'Use your anger against e-bikes to get better' 🤣
Imagine! 😆
HI! I have a analog Canyon Neuron 7 2018 and 2023 got my eMTB NOX Hybrid 7.1 Enduro. Both are so much fun. I always have the same burn in my legs and the same heart rate.... If I ride to work, it just takes 10 minutes more.... for that short 9 km to and fro.... But, because of my endurance, I am 47 now, I choose to take the ebike, if I want to drive the other 14 km to the bike park AFTER work, and making 4-6 rounds there before going back home...(around 50 km and 700 hm) spending another 3 h on the bike. If I would have the time, I could go with the analog... but then the round trip and my 140 W ave. over that period, wouldnt allow me to work.... Its really the ave. tempo. that I cannot achieve with the analog..... or push my W higer, coundnt sustain that for long... so I'd rather have more experience and learning skills, than just train for endurance... My Specialized Sirrus cyclocross, 20 mm tires, roadbike with narrow straight bars, I use, if friends and I go on the road next Danube River to have a nice day out.... and its really fast this bike... or for short trips to the shop, but I got into mountainbiking and enjoy trodding along the roots and stones a bit more.... cu. nice holidays and times to you all
Hey dude!
Yah I think if I had an Ebike I would likely ride it to work, and then do some trails on the way home
Did you install your deathgrips upside down specifically to tilt me? What did I do to you?!
I really appreciate this video. Nail on the head.
Yo chill Jon give me a minute to explain!
1: I'm sorry for the disgraceful nature of attachment of my Deathgrips.
2: It may be the case that they are so worn out on the other side that I had to give them a 180 twist to get some grip back.
3: I will keep you posted on any further proceedings.
Thanks for watching buddy 😘
@@Frorideism 🤔🤔🤔
Subscribing just because you included Il Baffo at 1:20.
I got you covered'
Entertaining 😁👍
Experimenting! 🤫
If I had an ebike I would have crashed 😂🤣. Made my day bruh. Love your videos.
Not an Ebikers myself, but rode one a little. Have to say that it changes the way you ride and percieve the terrain. Can be used as a really good fun machine, but I'd keep a regular bike anyway. Fitnesswise it is easier to do training on a road bike , so you can just have different bikes for different purposes.
The feeling of conquering the climb is simply not there on an Ebike and not a single person will forget to remind you of the fact that you didn't do it yourself. But at the same time, I'm not a pro and mostly do it for fun. Ain't nobody paying me to ride a bike, so if I were riding an Ebike, why should I care what some random dude thinks?
Great editing.
Thanks for noticing love 😘
As my years catch up on me, I'll most definitely get an e-bike. If I move outside of town and have to make daily trips ( I also live up in the mountains ), I'll get one much more sooner, unless they're still much more expensive than a gasoline-petrol-benzine burning loud dirtbike. I hope more people start riding e-bikes and bikes in general. Any exercise and outside time is better than not doing any of it. And I'd also love to see the competition, you know, compete more, and see things get cheaper, better and more available. I don't need any of that gatekeeping B.S.
Murderer and thrown in a lake had me laughing. Good video dude. Recently bought a Levo and have been trying to justify it to myself but to be honest it's just like a different sport to go alongside my normal bike. Best of both worlds. Let's me ride with some friends who are at various fitness levels and share the experience.
Good luck with future of channel. Your content is top.
Mr AAAAAAaandersson!
Cheers buddy'
I would absolutely SMASH a Levo, would be so much fun to have, but yeah completely different game.
Iv'e ridden with E-bikers many times and it is tough to keep up, other way around is probably chill haha.
Great editing! laughed my ass off
Obnoxious but efficient!
Is your downhill bike like your other bikes? N+1, I have a Levo turbo, Levo SL, DH rig, XC hardtail, Enduro, trailbike. Each is different, the emtb's are outdoor trainers and each of them makes me faster on my regular bike. My downhill bike makes me faster on my enduro bike and trail bike.
No, they aren't the same and what you get from each is different. Try riding an emtb not like an mtb but like an emtb and suddenly you are riding 14+ and getting a MUCH different experience particularly in the upper body as you row/antirow faster at the new trail speed. Still cadence is king on all these bikes except DH and spinning up the emtb makes it the trainer you ride through the woods and not in the gym.
You're such an F-ing hero dude!
Premise of the video is flawed. I've never seen anyone who hates ebikes. Most people are curious about them, and when you tell them all the benefits they start considering if they could ditch their cars for them.
Cars, wives, future prospects of a career in dental surgury, people are ditching it all for the mid drive mistress
get a cube like that guy's i actually just bought one as on sale under 5k Action team 2024 great spec most probably your Propain cost alot more so don't say you can't afford one! Even the levo now is under 5k
I was exactly the same till got an emtb I'm DH rider mostly orbea ebike was seen in the championship this week no battery "yet" but it's alot better still love my amish yeti but prefer my ebike gotta be said!
Nice thumbnail 😂
29er Sick way More Than emtb!!
at that point why not get a dirt bike? I totally understand electronic shifting but I never understood the concept of e-bikes
Absolutly illegal in my Country. The e-bike is allowed almost every where
2 people who dont like E-bikes. 1. They cant afford one. 2 they are purely obsessed with fittness levels. Some people genuinely do ride for fun 😂 i have both. Dont use my anolog enough tbh but i have a family, free time is tight
Batteries empty in a couple of hours and its cold up here in sweden so.... You can get a turbo levo for 30 000 to n50 000 svenska kronor discount but i dont know, not as my only bike maybe my third bike... PS i saw you had shitty insects keys, get those Wera and you understand...
Have you tried E-biking up there? during cold season I mean.
Man... Are you bashing my Feltema tools?
motorbikes or mountain bikes, just ride your bikes.
Yes but motor bikers are not mountain bikers
@@mdworrell1 if they are on the plains, but what if they are on the mountains?
Even the haters are on e-bikes now😅
LOL
One other problem is that e-bikes have opened, they have muddied the waters between bicycles and motorized vehicles that can be used on "no motorized vehicles" trails, which I feel has opened doors for one-wheel, segway, scooters, non-regulation ebikes, and electric motorcycles.
elektrisk bergcykel you say
It is what somliga would call a teoretisk omöjlighet
Same opinion. Can't afford it, don't need it but it's getting shoved in my face in every video. At least you don't have it so I have something to watch haha.
I got your back buddy! xD
There not even expensive . An aluminium ebike costs like a carbon analog
It should be illegal for anyone under 60 to own an e-bike.
Ebike u get more laps in. I don't own one but it's only obvious. Ebike you ride more
I see it in a simple way . I rode my _normal_ bike this week 3 times. We did 2,3,2 laps at the local bike park climbing the climbs. That's 7 laps. Today I was on my e-bike and did 6 laps. Tomorrow probably an other 5-7 laps.
My advice to everyone is: keep your normal bike and ride it for fun AND fitness. Ride your e-bike for fun and repeat laps. I have no shuttle around me, so the ebike is a shuttle tool for me.
ps: e-bike is good cardio when you push laps for 2-3 hours. But it is not going to give you climbing strength. No matter what the middle age guys with bellies say. E-bikes are NOT the same workout.
Just my 2c...
ps: ... price? ... yeah ... I have 3 ebikes 3 mountain bikes and a dirt jump bike. :O ... but drive a 14 year old pickup truck ... priorities..
Priorities for sure my man,
This is why I sleep on cardboard lol, but hey my Bike's all color matched high end shit 😆👌
When I test rode an E bike I thought it was most fun on the flats tbh, so If I wanted to do some more XC oriented technical riding, but in full speed, I think E biking it would be really fun.
And when i'm hungover trying to get up a god damn mountain, it could be quite nice too
You write like you get no exercise on an ebike and thats bullshit. Especially an Emtb you have to pedal to use the motor.
If you flow ride the climb and or dia down the asisst you get as much exercise as any bike you just go faster.
Why perpstuate this bullshit nottion you cant pedal as hard o an ebike as any other.
Like every other bike its the rider not the bike so if you dont pedal your ebike as hard as any other thats YOU not your ebike.
@@davideades4839 if you work as hard on an ebike as traditional no one would buy them.
@@mdworrell1 wrong again. Youve never riden one or a motorcycle obviously. You should try both. Ebikes are faster. Thats why they are fun and people like them.
Its stupid people like yourself that cant figure out up hill flow riding is mor fun than grinding it out. Its not less effort unless you choose the put out less effort.
Id say test ride some ebikes but you would just prove your own opinion rather seeing what ebikes are really capable of providing.
@@davideades4839 😂 I own a motorcycle.
Guessing I’d out ride you even with your motor bike (they don’t create skill on downhill, do they?).
Exactly how much over weight are you? 20 lbs? 😂
it is what is it is...if you want one buy one, go ride. Must be a Remy fan boy since he promotes them and riding on illegal trails....he is so condensending and i guit watching his channel.....
Fact based objectivity... if you are feeling bad about yourself for some reason, that's on you, not the bike industry. That's like blaming food for being hungry. And honestly, I would MUCH rather someone like Metallier's honest anf forthright presentation where he tells you he is sponsored than some sort of subliminal messaging, which is far more insidious and dangerous on a social level. I am not going to pimp for or against ebikes here, but this is SOOOO clearly straight up opinion based hating its almost ridiculous. If you were honest, like Remy is, you wouldn't say how this is 100% fact based objectivity, you would come out and say, hey, these are my personal thoughts and here is why I think that way. We are all intitled to our own opinions as well as having the right to express those, but don't play like you are somehow being objective as it is more than obvious that you are far from that.
This comment is so golden, I cherish this 💔 It’s honestly hard to tell if it’s a joke or not. Unlike my video that’s purely filled with hard facts, objective truth and no outrageous claims at all.
@@Frorideism you gotta be smokin some serious stuff to say that. from how bad you feel, which a purely personal thing and not objective, by definition, to subliminal messaging is somehow better than honest open presentations. Just your comments on how ugly they are, really, have you looked at bikes like the Heckler, Wild, Ekano? those are some beautiful bikes, objectively. and, maybe its just where you live, which of course is SUBJECTIVE and not objective, since when are e mountain bikers desperate to be accepted by analog mountain bikers? I mean really, where I live, I don't see that at all. People just ride what they got and who cares. There is literally not one thing I can find in your video which is truly objective fact, nothing. It is, in it's entierety subjective feelings. It is obvious when the ebiker passes you that you get angry, why?? What skin is off your nose? ride for you instead of others and maybe you'll change your feelings, not saying you'll jump on an ebike, just stop with the obvious subjective hating. Of course, I am not going to go into detail about your price complaints as of course you only show the most expensive model you can as if that's what all emtb's cost, but I notioce your bike is pretty nicely kitted out. Hope Tech 4 brakes, not cheap. I'm gonna bet your not running a RS Silver fork on that, what at looks like is a carbon propain (also not cheap), so no doubt that was not cheap either. I totally get complaining about prices, but objectively ALL bikes are over priced, not just ebikes. I could post a dozen pics of standard bikes that are close to the one you showed in price. So again, you clearly lack actual objectivity. Like I said, before, if you want to complain about ebikes, that's your right, but at least have the courage of your convictions to honestly admit that your feelings are just that, feelings and not objective facts.
@@Tony_Karzen But dude, my feelings are facts and people need to adapt to them.🥸
In other news:
This is amazing, and I'm gonna help you out ok - even though I don't really want to break the 4th wall and go out of character:
I love that you put so much detail into your comments, like actually breaking down the conversation and the outrageous claims and things said in the video,
You're actually the first person to call it out,
And it's hilarious to see how someone would react if they believed that everything I said was 100% serious and actual arguments for the cause. So thank you for that. 😆
In other words, It's literally a joke my man, hinted at it in the previous comment ❤
And if you'd watch the end of the video you'd see how it lands with a teaching of openness and understanding..
..So I'm more or less exactly like the great Buddha, spreading love and peacefulness, although he did hate a lot on E-bikes in his later work.
Happy holidays
@@Frorideism got to admit, I did get to a point where I just gave up and couldn't hold off to the end, my bad on that one. Have a happy holiday season yourself!!
Nah ebikes are cool but it's no longer a bicycle it's a different thing alltogether
I'm glad e bikes exist for people like that 60yr old guy and his wife.
Bikes gud. MTB? Gud. EMTB? Gud. Tricycle? Also gud.
That's what they say about meth too! D:
@@Frorideism whatev u say frorid
its gud@@kochtrevor
The real problem I think we need to address is how similar the E-bikes are starting to look compared to REAL bikes, and how that can lead to confusion for average bikers. I think the ultimate solution is E-bikers have to wear an armband so we can easily identify them. Once we can easily identify them, we can properly ostracize them, and then later on we can take thier E-bikes, because it will be different when we want one.
Also, 26” ain’t dead, still have them on my pump track bike. All other bikes are full 29rs.
Also, will buy an e-bike one day. Not really a money issue, I spent more on bikes last year than an S-works turbo Levo carbon costs. I’m just waiting for the technical progress to slow a little so my 19k bike isn’t a 6k bike in 12 months, but I’m 43 years old and broken so it’s only a matter of time.
We could possibly let the E-bikers build their own society within the confines of a small geographical area, it wouldn't induce any sort of future conflict I'm sure.
I hear you my friend,
We'll all hear the call of the Mid drive Mistress in due time
@@Frorideism That’s why it’s a good idea to sell the fancy cranks now, you won’t need them where we’re going. Like Mazda said, zoom zoom!!
the reason- I can buy a dirt bike for 1/2 the cost. a Sur Ron is less...its called ass envy- some people are willing to spend the money others are not.
Decent argument yeah,
I bought an older Honda 250x dirtbike for 1,2k, that thing is a blast to ride, albeit have to maintain it like crazy and can't ride it everywhere like a bike
I hate e-bikes because I can't afford them.