I LOVE how Chris starts to talk about focus speed for family usage. I wish you guys can keep it up since you have to realize that most of use don't really use our camera for "pro" usage all the time. Sometimes it's just nice to have a pocketable camera that can keep up with the kids whether in video and stills. Great job guys.
RX100V wins for Vloggers as LX10 just does not focus well enough in video, wish Panasonic start improving their video auto focus soon as its their main weakness as otherwise that camera would been a great vlogging camera.
Panasonic would crop to 36mm at 4K, but not at 1080p. Should be mentioned at least. I would probably expect a lot more people would vlog at 1080p, given also that the LX10 would have the full 5-axis stabilization at 1080p, while it goes down to like 2-axis at 4K. And the Sony can't shoot more than 5-7 minutes of 4K video before overheating. But if you would vlog at 4K, yes the Panasonic will crop 4K. The Sony can do 4K without crop but it also overheats; the LX10 doesn't overheat.
chungdha I got the LUMIX for vlogging and tbh it focuses pretty dam good!! Sometimes loses the focus a little but gets it back! And tbh it sometimes given me some really coool arty shots I never even tried to get haha!
I don't think you guys mentioned that the LX10 can record 4K video for 15 minutes, VS only 5 minutes for the Sony. And another somewhat popular TH-cam guy was able to hit record after the 15 minutes was up and recorded 4K video like this until the battery died which was about an hour. The Sony just can't compete on the shooting 4K for more than 5 minutes.
Lol, loved the trash talk. I think The Camera Store should send you guys up to Banff to do a similar video between the Hero5 and the latest Sony action cams with optical stabilization... out on the slopes, rocking the snowboard lingo :)
Thanks Chris. You're assuming that because we live near the mountains we are physically fit, and adventurous though... not the case. Jordan goes on vacation to read books, and I drink Coke Zero all day long. Wait we do both Ski and Snowboard, never mind. Chris@TCSTV
Hmmm... I'm now envisioning you guys kicking back with a few Coke Zeros, then making some toboggan runs down a local hill with your respective camera trained on a book in front of you while riding down. Then afterwards, the person who can read the page from the [least shaky] video clip the fastest wins. Three birds. One stone.
I thought I decided on the a6500 because the video is absolutely so beautiful to my eye. I like it better than both the A7Rii and A7sii. In low light I love the noise patterns so that doesn't bother me at all. Still hesitant tho...When I found out about how bad the dimmed screens are on ALL Sony's I froze up. The rolling shutter is horrendous on these cams, too. For 2000-4000usd(with a quality lens) I expect more. I think we are soooo close to A7iii and A7siii updates it might pay to hold off and see. Plus the GH5 is available so soon... but, well over 3000usd with lens, sLog, filters and cards. With that all being said... Do I want to invest over 3000usd in something a bit better.....SHIT! Brings me right back to the a6500! I think that's the way to go.... and on a gimbal. People are creating al kinds of beautiful content with it... so, we should be able to also. Hope a decision comes to you soon and I will look forward to seeing the rewards on your channel:)
Sony has a lot of unnecessary stuff nobody uses, I rather choose easy handling, touchscreen instead of 24 fps. Rx100 has better focusing, viewfinder but lx10 doesent overheat, and most important the price! 200_300 dollars cheaper!
Thanks so much for sharing this well done comparison between this 2 cameras!! I myself have been working with the sony rx 100 for yeas. I love the mark II version because of the battery time life!! last for ever...... almost 1/2 day working and also the shoe mount on top which I can put a remote control for strobes to bad the new version don't have that features. Now I have been working with the IV for almost 4 years, just broke it a 6 months ago and now trying to replace it with the V which similar and a little better on video. Almost the 70% of my work had taken with Sony rx 100. Thanks again guys you rock cool photos and art you have. here some of my work if you want to see what i have done with the rx 100 @contenporad Cheers!! RC
I've had the Panasonic for a long time now. It it awesome to have the 1.4 aperture. But the focus really isn't dependable. Also it crops way to much while recording 4K. Also the stabilisation isn't very good. But overall it's pretty good. Especially for picture taking.
Jordan touched on it right at the end. Which is what I purchased a ZS100. When I am traveling I find not having more zoom range can become a problem. The ZS100 focuses great wide open, just like Jordan touched on. These camera's do not need this amazing fast picture taking capability, they do need quick focus for a few frames and both do a good job at that. DSLR is for sports, not a pocket camera. Pocket camera should take good pictures and video. The ZS100 with it's 1" sensor finally delivered. I think a lot of people are missing out on taking advantage of it. I think the video quality at night is perfectly acceptable, given the camera, and during the day the 4k footage is great. Cropping the sensor is a bummer I will admit, and hopefully the next version will stop this madness. And guys, thanks for the dedication. I know shooting this must have been physically challenging with the cold that bad.
Malifestro I’m very seriously looking at the zs100. Main question now for me is how is it in low light? And if you happen to know, how is it in low light compared to earlier ZS travel zooms? I know it SHOULD be better, but if it really? Thanks!
Some golden humor in this video. Loved the remark about The Revenant. I think Chris and Jordan have struck a good balance between being adversarial and the friendly banter. In the past, sometimes the adversarial vibe was too intense and I legitimately thought they hated each other but was forced to do the videos together by their boss. I used to obsess over being able to carry a tiny point-and-shoot that can still give me great results, but the results were always disappointing when compared to what I could achieve with larger cameras. Eventually, I decided that carrying a small holster pouch with a Micro Four Thirds system is actually the best compromise/solution. It gives excellent results yet is small and light weight enough that I never feel like it's a burden to carry one M43 body with 3 lenses.
The RX100 has a 5min 4K recording limit regardless of the temperature and the LX15 has a 15min limit, which is far more usable and they did forget to mention that.
STOP IT! Not every Sony camera overheats during video recording, and those that do only do so in specific circumstances. What the hell people, research a bit before posting BS.
To me a more interesting comparison would be LX10 vs RX100 III, as they're priced more or less the same. I guess it mostly comes down to EVF vs better physical controls.
I have an LX10 for those awkward situations but I kind of hate it and love it all at once... humm. I watched this video a couple times before getting it a long time ago.
Why are the colors so much better on the Panasonic (13:51)? Look at the led flowers. The LX matches the video of the review, the RX flowers look much more blue (13:59).
Sony not changing the body is very nice for under water photographers because they don't need to get a new and potentially very expensive housing every time they upgrade their camera.
Great video guys! Thanks, for producing yet another informative piece. I love your work! One minor suggestion, (and perhaps it’s me, so apologies if I’m out of line)... can you use the name of the camera more often when you comment on its performance in the various areas, rather than saying, “mine does ‘x’ or yours does ‘y?’” I found myself a bit confused about which camera you were referring to. Thanks, again for your great work, and keep it up!
Kindersama The issue is that the rx100 is not that slim either, and given the price, and the risk of getting dust onto the lens area. Would anyone want to put it in their pocket. To me, this seems like the people who opt for an ultra book that is only slightly thinner than the slim sub 1 inch laptops, but often cost much more, while offering lower specs, such as a 50-60% slower core M CPU instead of the core i5 or core i7 CPU.
Razor2048 You really haven't handled a Rx100 do you? It's really pocketable. And it's an apple to orange comparison. At least, you can compare it to a G7x or a LX100 (despite the larger sensor), but you can't compare it to a DSLR.
Kindersama I understand that the rx100 can fit in a pocket. The point that I am getting at, is how many people will risk putting it in a pocket instead of a proper protective case, or purpose built camera bag? It is like the people who pick a ultra book over a slim laptop. They are for some reason, willing to give up 60% of their performance for probably a 0.2 inch reduction in thickness, and both devices will still have them using a dedicated case or bag to carry the laptop around. Sure you can do the apple thing where they stuck a MacBook Air in an envelope, but no one in their right mind would do that on such an expensive device, outside of a marketing campaign.
Haven't tried the LX10, but here are some comments on the Sony, which is warming the shelf as we speak -- I haven't used it in a long time. The viewfinder is tiny. I mean holy f* tiny. How can anyone tell whether something is in focus is beyond me. Its diopter adjustment is ridiculously small and placed where it is easier to fold back the viewfinder than adjust it. The controls are tiny and fiddly. My goal most of the time was not finding the right control but trying not to accidentally touch something while taking pictures. Autofocus is glacial and misses way too much. Face recognition works on paper, but I yet have to see it work under real-life conditions. My Nikon D7000 is back in use despite its size. Even the D7000 has too many unreliable electronic fiddly bits. I can only hope one day, someone will make a digital equivalent of a Nikon FM2n or an Olympus OM-1n, so we can focus on photography instead of fighting the electronic doodahs.
Interesting opinion on the Sony when everybody seems to be crazy about them. I have the RX100IV and I feel the same way as you. While it has good image quallity but the ergonomics ruins everything it is absolutely terrible for the same things you mentioned... Hopefully Canon will come out with the G5X II and I can get rid of the Sony.
Yas never addressed the over heating issue I keep hearing the RX100v suffers from. I've a horrible 5 minute record time? Say it ain't so? Also does the RX100v actually do 960fps slo mo?
If Sony follows the same design update strategy as in their mobile phones, don't wait for design to change anytime soon :D Also I think nothing anyone can say about the features of rx100 can justify its outrageously high price.
This would have been useful if you compared the same scene using both cameras. The photos taken with each camera were too drastically different to be of any use.
Hi: The most stupid thing i did 2 years ago was by buying a pocket camera without viewfinder . It´s impossible to see anything under sunlight therefore turns into useless all other sophistications. So i prefer the Panasonic here but i would never buy it for that missing thing. Cheers
What about the RX100 III or IV? I just need good still shots for portraits and and good video (I'm sure 1080P is enough) for making home sex videos etc.... :)
Maaaan, I have a sony RX100m3 and hardly ever use the EVF. Dont get me wrong, Its great and works well...But a little small and you gotta go through the small process of setup and set down. Takes only a few extra seconds but I find myself choosing to making the screen work rather than pop and pull the finder out...Really digging the panasonic and that touch screen seems veeerrry handy. Much cheaper and faster lens! Totally would get the panny.
Touching screen is another useless thing during the day outside: So if you can´t see anything on the screen , what for you need it? So if i have to use the viewfinder to know what i´m doing then it means i can´t use the screen while looking trough the viewfinder, plus as it happens with Iphones you might touch things you don´t want because of that stupid useless touch screen.
Hi Camera Store crew. Nothing to do with this topic. Really wanna see once a review of some stabilisation system, steadycam or whatever being checked with critical lenses..over 50, 85mm. I never saw this. Everybody is reviewing on the most possible uncritical way with wide angle lenses which are the most uncritical lenses under "shaky" conditions. While all the reviews are checking the gear to the edge of the possible as for instance, low light at 24800 and over, dynamic, clipping, noise,..under impossible circumstances we usually never work. Greetings from Austria
lumix zoom suck dust and humidity on sensor, i had to pay for sensor cleaning of lx100 2 times... sony's menus suck, i badly miss one extra reprogrammable button on my mk5, the dial's rims are not the best thing to use a as button... you can glue $15 grip and $10 body leather on rx and it'll feel *much* better. pricewise, if camera is almost the same but $30% cheaper, i'll grab the cheaper one, no brainer. and people never try to compare flash results on cams, rear curtain sync flash night portraits are a quite useful opton for travel, then you make portaits in night city with interesting shiny stuff behind your subject.
You're seriously pissing and moaning about the "clicky" noise the aperture ring on the LX10 makes "during filming?" As if anyone changes the aperture WHILE they're filming.
always love your videos! your brutal honesty on your reviews is refreshing and insightful. i'm in the market for a simple camera that can shoot 120fps without breaking my piggy bank. i've considered going as far as getting a6300 or a6500. i just want something i can shoot some professional looking slow motion with. the end game being, hopefully, shooting some amateur music videos for local talent/ friends. the camera's main purpose will be capturing slow motion at 120fps and i haven't been able to find a camera or camcorder that has had the reviews the rx100 v has received or even in this price range. do you have any suggestions i can look at for more options? budget range tops out around $1,000 usd. thank you! keep up the awesome work! always a joy to watch!
i know #thecamerastoretv are only camera tester and not use cameras one day longer yuo forget say Sony RX100 can use USB power pack to battery and Sony RX100 has FULL manual control on video only two thing is bad for Sony rx100 V overheating and no microfone port
What a great way to learn about these cameras! Loved the friendly rivalry - you really were serious about defending the honour of your cameras. Good shooting by Levi as well, especially the shots in the mall. Quick question to Jordan: As a videographer - Panasonic G85 with its stabilisation and feature set or Fuji XT20 with those lovely colour presets?
Lol the banter. The biggest difference is the video, the Sony blows it away. Note: Building those softboxes is not as easy as it looks...well it doesnt look easy either lol
What camera is better for someone whose looking for high qaulity photos for traveling. and Sometimes 4k video not for vlogging though. I been looking up the cameras consistantly for 5 days and I can't decide which one is better choice since lx10 is 300 dollars cheaper. I just cant decide which one has better photo ability..
Thumb up, but barely, due to hard to follow audio. The taller guy speaks faster and drops his voice a lot. I'm glad you did the shoot-out. It'd help a bit more to shoot roughly the same photo with both cameras, at least a few times. That said, you both have good eyes and shot some nice pix I wouldn't have thought of.
I really like the format in which you guys riff off each other in these videos. But it's hard to track from scene to scene which one of you is carrying which camera, especially when your faces are covered up with Winter clothes. Could you add some text over each of your for each scene, stating which camera you're talking about?
I enjoy carrying the Panasonic ZS100. It fits a niche for everyday walk around and carry. Sometimes I just don't want to bring my larger DSLRs or Mirrorless bodies and their lenses. I think Jordan mentioned the ZS100 near the end of this video. I did enjoy this video.
An LX100 or GX80 with Leica 15mm f/1.7 solves that too. -- though, smartphones are getting more capable each release too. Looking forward to the Huawei P10 with dual Leica set-up
And the winner is.... Canon G9X . (Mark2 I would suggest) because as crappy as it is, it actually Will fit nicely in your pocket while everything else from Panasonic, Canon and Sony looks compact but is just too thick to actually fit! Plus it costs not as much too. Sony should slow the heck down with their prices - "RX100V" is crazy expensive and yet still does not have a touchscreen! As far as LX10 - crappy Auto ISO, crappy video autofocus and big thickness stops me from buying it.
Surprised they didn’t mention Focus Stacking and post focus considering they are some of the biggest differences, if they were brought into the picture the Panasonic would have killed the Sony
Sony-get a grip! Exactly why I am no longer using my RX100M4. It is hard to handle, and very off putting. Also, the RX100 series are overpriced! The Panasonic does have some grip and looks far better value for money whilst matching the Sony in what matters most-image quality! Great review-love them all. Very b-b-b-b-brave in the cold-such dedication :)
Dear How is going!? Please can you tell me what is better regarding this two camera options? So is better to have an APS sensor with 16MP and 4896 x 3264 photos or having a 1" sensor with 20MP with 5456 x 3632 ? About pixel density ? Photo quality and also maybe printing quality? What you suggest? Thanks Mark
When all is said and done, the cameras were almost identical apart from one important thing. If you had the Lumix LX-10 at the end of this video, you would walk away with $300 in your pocket compared to the Sony owner, who would have nothing in theirs because they had to fork over about $300 more just to own it. And $300 is a lot of money!
The RX100 overheats! Anyone thinking of getting the underwater case and shooting forget it! It over heats fogs up and shuts down after just minutes. Plus the view finder is tiny and uncountable to use. Save your money and get a MFT
I liked photo on panasonic, video on sony. If panasonic were to add a viewfinder and more physical controls, it would be a killer affordable camera for stills. Sony is kinda "do everything thing". But honestly i wouldn't buy any of them, i think they made them too small, it's a challenging thing, i get it, but i don't think that a proper camera should be smaller than fuji x100 or similar, it should be comfortable and have as much necessary physical dials as possible.
Better lens. Touch screen. And doesn't the LX10 do "macro" better? And isn't it less expensive? For $300 more dollars, the Sony BETTER be a better camera--in ALL aspects.
Anyone owning that camera had a trouble with the sound the camera makes? It sounds like a ventilation from the inside. Only when the lens is out. Some says the noise comes from the stabilisation or autofocus, but it sounds very noisy to be just that? I just got that camera and I've had an hybrid one for years without any sound like that. I might sound dumb but I'd really like to know if it is a normal thing. x
Your videos have inspired me to go to Calgary and the Canadian Rockies this summer....but surfing for plane tickets now I understand why tickets are a 100 bucks one way to Calgary right now.
I've shot with both and I don't see what they are talking about on the single point AF. Both cameras are lightning quick and almost never hunt in AF-S with a single center point. Indistinguishable as far as I could tell. The AF-C is definitely better on the Sony though due to Phase Detect AF.
Thanks for the great review. I think that you guys are funny and informative, but I wish that there was a little less personal friction displayed because it is distracting from important content. Take care. Liked and subscribed.
I don't know what it is but Sony has always a flatter image, i don't know to explain it. But with a Panasonic or a Canon I get a more photo feeling from the old days. That's why I prefer the Panasonic range. I had a lot of Sony camera's in the past, but hopefully there is coming a LX200....i want something small with a big sensor and of course 4K...but as always great review, I love this channel :-)
These videos are getting more and more badass than before
Can't wait for best and worst of 2017. Can the year finally be over? ;)
I hope they move back to hard spirits this year. None of this soft beer drinking stuff pls.
I LOVE how Chris starts to talk about focus speed for family usage. I wish you guys can keep it up since you have to realize that most of use don't really use our camera for "pro" usage all the time. Sometimes it's just nice to have a pocketable camera that can keep up with the kids whether in video and stills. Great job guys.
Hope Chris asked before he borrowed his girlfriend's bobble hat
Totally did and she was fine with it. I'm not giving it back though.
Chris @ TCSTV
And she's probably fine with that too... :D
I guess one more advantage on LX 10 is the post-focus option which RX100 doesn't have.
RX100V wins for Vloggers as LX10 just does not focus well enough in video, wish Panasonic start improving their video auto focus soon as its their main weakness as otherwise that camera would been a great vlogging camera.
True but for vlogging they should also improve the crop. The Sony can shot at 24mm and the panasonic only at 36mm which is a huge deal for vlogging.
Vloggers use Canon anyways. Sad but true.
Totally agree.
Panasonic would crop to 36mm at 4K, but not at 1080p. Should be mentioned at least.
I would probably expect a lot more people would vlog at 1080p, given also that the LX10 would have the full 5-axis stabilization at 1080p, while it goes down to like 2-axis at 4K. And the Sony can't shoot more than 5-7 minutes of 4K video before overheating.
But if you would vlog at 4K, yes the Panasonic will crop 4K. The Sony can do 4K without crop but it also overheats; the LX10 doesn't overheat.
chungdha I got the LUMIX for vlogging and tbh it focuses pretty dam good!! Sometimes loses the focus a little but gets it back! And tbh it sometimes given me some really coool arty shots I never even tried to get haha!
I don't think you guys mentioned that the LX10 can record 4K video for 15 minutes, VS only 5 minutes for the Sony. And another somewhat popular TH-cam guy was able to hit record after the 15 minutes was up and recorded 4K video like this until the battery died which was about an hour. The Sony just can't compete on the shooting 4K for more than 5 minutes.
the Sony needs a touch screen.
why does sony have a problem with this tek that Olympus was giving us six years ago with the OMD EM5.
Lol, loved the trash talk. I think The Camera Store should send you guys up to Banff to do a similar video between the Hero5 and the latest Sony action cams with optical stabilization... out on the slopes, rocking the snowboard lingo :)
Thanks Chris. You're assuming that because we live near the mountains we are physically fit, and adventurous though... not the case. Jordan goes on vacation to read books, and I drink Coke Zero all day long. Wait we do both Ski and Snowboard, never mind.
Chris@TCSTV
Hmmm... I'm now envisioning you guys kicking back with a few Coke Zeros, then making some toboggan runs down a local hill with your respective camera trained on a book in front of you while riding down. Then afterwards, the person who can read the page from the [least shaky] video clip the fastest wins. Three birds. One stone.
Did you make up your mind on what your next "adventure capturerer" is going to be?
Hey TGS! ...still sitting on the fence about which way to go - if only we could pick and choose features / options from manufacturers. How about you?
I thought I decided on the a6500 because the video is absolutely so beautiful to my eye. I like it better than both the A7Rii and A7sii. In low light I love the noise patterns so that doesn't bother me at all. Still hesitant tho...When I found out about how bad the dimmed screens are on ALL Sony's I froze up. The rolling shutter is horrendous on these cams, too. For 2000-4000usd(with a quality lens) I expect more. I think we are soooo close to A7iii and A7siii updates it might pay to hold off and see. Plus the GH5 is available so soon... but, well over 3000usd with lens, sLog, filters and cards. With that all being said... Do I want to invest over 3000usd in something a bit better.....SHIT! Brings me right back to the a6500! I think that's the way to go.... and on a gimbal. People are creating al kinds of beautiful content with it... so, we should be able to also. Hope a decision comes to you soon and I will look forward to seeing the rewards on your channel:)
In terms of photo/video quality, how does LX100 compare with LX10?
The only condition where the RX100 V won't overheat...
I'M KIDDING, I'm kidding... I really want an RX100V... So much money. :(
A good example of how 2 people can have a totally different opinion and still handle that with a nice and friendly way of humor!
Where i live the LX15 is 400 euro cheaper... that is a lot to consider.. 599 vs 999...
Loved this comparison, very well done and entertaining :)
Sony has a lot of unnecessary stuff nobody uses, I rather choose easy handling, touchscreen instead of 24 fps. Rx100 has better focusing, viewfinder but lx10 doesent overheat, and most important the price! 200_300 dollars cheaper!
So snarky, so hilarious, that extra cold weather really brought it out in you guys for this one lol, freaking hilarious, loved it
"Lick the outside of it and freeze it to my skin", lol. Nice hat. Love the video guys. Informative and fun.
2 mm is a big difference when every inches counts, and I'm not just talking about the camera and its lens either. =P
It makes a big difference at the wide end, but not that much at the long end.
That's what she said! ;P
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Thanks so much for sharing this well done comparison between this 2 cameras!!
I myself have been working with the sony rx 100 for yeas. I love the mark II version because of the battery time life!! last for ever...... almost 1/2 day working and also the shoe mount on top which I can put a remote control for strobes to bad the new version don't have that features. Now I have been working with the IV for almost 4 years, just broke it a 6 months ago and now trying to replace it with the V which similar and a little better on video. Almost the 70% of my work had taken with Sony rx 100.
Thanks again guys you rock cool photos and art you have.
here some of my work if you want to see what i have done with the rx 100 @contenporad
Cheers!!
RC
Do you guys get paid for this? this top notch stuff , great work guys.
Not really... which is what makes them even more astounding!!! Thanks for watching Supernova1976
Chris@TCSTV
Yikes. This is definitely making me reconsider the whole "move to Canada for free healthcare" thing.
I've had the Panasonic for a long time now. It it awesome to have the 1.4 aperture. But the focus really isn't dependable. Also it crops way to much while recording 4K. Also the stabilisation isn't very good. But overall it's pretty good. Especially for picture taking.
Jordan touched on it right at the end. Which is what I purchased a ZS100. When I am traveling I find not having more zoom range can become a problem. The ZS100 focuses great wide open, just like Jordan touched on. These camera's do not need this amazing fast picture taking capability, they do need quick focus for a few frames and both do a good job at that. DSLR is for sports, not a pocket camera. Pocket camera should take good pictures and video. The ZS100 with it's 1" sensor finally delivered. I think a lot of people are missing out on taking advantage of it. I think the video quality at night is perfectly acceptable, given the camera, and during the day the 4k footage is great. Cropping the sensor is a bummer I will admit, and hopefully the next version will stop this madness. And guys, thanks for the dedication. I know shooting this must have been physically challenging with the cold that bad.
Malifestro I’m very seriously looking at the zs100. Main question now for me is how is it in low light? And if you happen to know, how is it in low light compared to earlier ZS travel zooms? I know it SHOULD be better, but if it really? Thanks!
Some golden humor in this video. Loved the remark about The Revenant.
I think Chris and Jordan have struck a good balance between being adversarial and the friendly banter. In the past, sometimes the adversarial vibe was too intense and I legitimately thought they hated each other but was forced to do the videos together by their boss.
I used to obsess over being able to carry a tiny point-and-shoot that can still give me great results, but the results were always disappointing when compared to what I could achieve with larger cameras. Eventually, I decided that carrying a small holster pouch with a Micro Four Thirds system is actually the best compromise/solution. It gives excellent results yet is small and light weight enough that I never feel like it's a burden to carry one M43 body with 3 lenses.
Sony has overheating issue in video mode... And you didn't tell about this issue in your video...
Andrew Lazarev you can't when it's -30 ambient
***** they knew what they did )))
I haven't noticed this at all and have shot a fair bit of video with it. Case doesn't even warm up.
The RX100 has a 5min 4K recording limit regardless of the temperature and the LX15 has a 15min limit, which is far more usable and they did forget to mention that.
STOP IT! Not every Sony camera overheats during video recording, and those that do only do so in specific circumstances. What the hell people, research a bit before posting BS.
To me a more interesting comparison would be LX10 vs RX100 III, as they're priced more or less the same. I guess it mostly comes down to EVF vs better physical controls.
yeah id like to see that too, since im planning to buy ether one. due to budgeting hehe
III doesn't have 4k video
I have an LX10 for those awkward situations but I kind of hate it and love it all at once... humm. I watched this video a couple times before getting it a long time ago.
hi I think that Sony have not very pleased colors for eyes too much cold colors I think I'm right or not
I'm of exactly the opposite view - I hate the magenta cast of the Panasonic. To each their own.
Here in Florida it hasn't been below 38 all year. Its usually about 75 though.
You guys are the best ;)
Why are the colors so much better on the Panasonic (13:51)? Look at the led flowers. The LX matches the video of the review, the RX flowers look much more blue (13:59).
15:17 So typical of those who complain about viewfinders... they almost never use them.
Sony not changing the body is very nice for under water photographers because they don't need to get a new and potentially very expensive housing every time they upgrade their camera.
Great video guys! Thanks, for producing yet another informative piece. I love your work! One minor suggestion, (and perhaps it’s me, so apologies if I’m out of line)... can you use the name of the camera more often when you comment on its performance in the various areas, rather than saying, “mine does ‘x’ or yours does ‘y?’” I found myself a bit confused about which camera you were referring to.
Thanks, again for your great work, and keep it up!
7:13 Can you hear the laugh? Shaking the camera :)
Can we get a shootout comparing the Sony RX100 mk5, in comparison to the Nikon D5500 + Sigma 17-50mm F2.8 lens (both come out to a similar price)?
but not size
Well, a D5500 is not really pocketable, specially with a 17-50/2.8 lens... Comparison done! :)
Kindersama The issue is that the rx100 is not that slim either, and given the price, and the risk of getting dust onto the lens area. Would anyone want to put it in their pocket. To me, this seems like the people who opt for an ultra book that is only slightly thinner than the slim sub 1 inch laptops, but often cost much more, while offering lower specs, such as a 50-60% slower core M CPU instead of the core i5 or core i7 CPU.
Razor2048 You really haven't handled a Rx100 do you? It's really pocketable.
And it's an apple to orange comparison. At least, you can compare it to a G7x or a LX100 (despite the larger sensor), but you can't compare it to a DSLR.
Kindersama I understand that the rx100 can fit in a pocket. The point that I am getting at, is how many people will risk putting it in a pocket instead of a proper protective case, or purpose built camera bag? It is like the people who pick a ultra book over a slim laptop. They are for some reason, willing to give up 60% of their performance for probably a 0.2 inch reduction in thickness, and both devices will still have them using a dedicated case or bag to carry the laptop around. Sure you can do the apple thing where they stuck a MacBook Air in an envelope, but no one in their right mind would do that on such an expensive device, outside of a marketing campaign.
Will Jordan ever get a definitive victory?
Haven't tried the LX10, but here are some comments on the Sony, which is warming the shelf as we speak -- I haven't used it in a long time. The viewfinder is tiny. I mean holy f* tiny. How can anyone tell whether something is in focus is beyond me. Its diopter adjustment is ridiculously small and placed where it is easier to fold back the viewfinder than adjust it. The controls are tiny and fiddly. My goal most of the time was not finding the right control but trying not to accidentally touch something while taking pictures. Autofocus is glacial and misses way too much. Face recognition works on paper, but I yet have to see it work under real-life conditions.
My Nikon D7000 is back in use despite its size. Even the D7000 has too many unreliable electronic fiddly bits. I can only hope one day, someone will make a digital equivalent of a Nikon FM2n or an Olympus OM-1n, so we can focus on photography instead of fighting the electronic doodahs.
Interesting opinion on the Sony when everybody seems to be crazy about them. I have the RX100IV and I feel the same way as you. While it has good image quallity but the ergonomics ruins everything it is absolutely terrible for the same things you mentioned... Hopefully Canon will come out with the G5X II and I can get rid of the Sony.
I agree, part of the enjoyment in photography is the handling of the camera itself. Thats why I enjoy my Pana LX100 a lot because how nice it handles.
Good vid! I just dropped a video on something similar, check it out!
If it's between lx10 or the rx100 iv (I can't afford the v) which is a better camera?
Yas never addressed the over heating issue I keep hearing the RX100v suffers from. I've a horrible 5 minute record time? Say it ain't so? Also does the RX100v actually do 960fps slo mo?
totally lol rx100 is lame because of the over heating issue
If Sony follows the same design update strategy as in their mobile phones, don't wait for design to change anytime soon :D Also I think nothing anyone can say about the features of rx100 can justify its outrageously high price.
Panasonic may have a 1.4 aperture but it stops down quickly right after you start zooming following the wide angle
This would have been useful if you compared the same scene using both cameras. The photos taken with each camera were too drastically different to be of any use.
You guys are so much fun together in front of the camera! More of this please!
Hi: The most stupid thing i did 2 years ago was by buying a pocket camera without viewfinder . It´s impossible to see anything under sunlight therefore turns into useless all other sophistications. So i prefer the Panasonic here but i would never buy it for that missing thing. Cheers
What about the RX100 III or IV? I just need good still shots for portraits and and good video (I'm sure 1080P is enough) for making home sex videos etc.... :)
Maaaan, I have a sony RX100m3 and hardly ever use the EVF. Dont get me wrong, Its great and works well...But a little small and you gotta go through the small process of setup and set down. Takes only a few extra seconds but I find myself choosing to making the screen work rather than pop and pull the finder out...Really digging the panasonic and that touch screen seems veeerrry handy. Much cheaper and faster lens! Totally would get the panny.
Touching screen is another useless thing during the day outside: So if you can´t see anything on the screen , what for you need it? So if i have to use the viewfinder to know what i´m doing then it means i can´t use the screen while looking trough the viewfinder, plus as it happens with Iphones you might touch things you don´t want because of that stupid useless touch screen.
Hi Camera Store crew. Nothing to do with this topic. Really wanna see once a review of some stabilisation system, steadycam or whatever being checked with critical lenses..over 50, 85mm. I never saw this. Everybody is reviewing on the most possible uncritical way with wide angle lenses which are the most uncritical lenses under "shaky" conditions. While all the reviews are checking the gear to the edge of the possible as for instance, low light at 24800 and over, dynamic, clipping, noise,..under impossible circumstances we usually never work. Greetings from Austria
Hi cuties. I'll keep my LX100 for its nice viewfinder. Thanks
lumix zoom suck dust and humidity on sensor, i had to pay for sensor cleaning of lx100 2 times... sony's menus suck, i badly miss one extra reprogrammable button on my mk5, the dial's rims are not the best thing to use a as button... you can glue $15 grip and $10 body leather on rx and it'll feel *much* better. pricewise, if camera is almost the same but $30% cheaper, i'll grab the cheaper one, no brainer. and people never try to compare flash results on cams, rear curtain sync flash night portraits are a quite useful opton for travel, then you make portaits in night city with interesting shiny stuff behind your subject.
10:15 most homoerotic camera review scene 2017 nomination?
You're seriously pissing and moaning about the "clicky" noise the aperture ring on the LX10 makes "during filming?" As if anyone changes the aperture WHILE they're filming.
Tools 😂
you guys are hilarious… love these two cameras n you 2 :D
always love your videos! your brutal honesty on your reviews is refreshing and insightful. i'm in the market for a simple camera that can shoot 120fps without breaking my piggy bank. i've considered going as far as getting a6300 or a6500. i just want something i can shoot some professional looking slow motion with. the end game being, hopefully, shooting some amateur music videos for local talent/ friends. the camera's main purpose will be capturing slow motion at 120fps and i haven't been able to find a camera or camcorder that has had the reviews the rx100 v has received or even in this price range. do you have any suggestions i can look at for more options? budget range tops out around $1,000 usd. thank you! keep up the awesome work! always a joy to watch!
For a couple of Canadian's you sure do cry a lot about the cold. Are you really Canadian? Great video BTW.
Yes we are very Canadian, but we've also traveled to many warm destinations and now we're ruined.
Chris@TCSTV
i know #thecamerastoretv are only camera tester and not use cameras one day longer
yuo forget say Sony RX100 can use USB power pack to battery and Sony RX100 has FULL manual control on video only two thing is bad for Sony rx100 V overheating and no microfone port
Can*t wait for the LX200 which is more comparable to the RX100 line
too much blubbering not enough footage comparison
and rx100V are 400-450$ more !! than LX10...
What about Sony's overheating issue, why they didnt tackle that?
What a great way to learn about these cameras! Loved the friendly rivalry - you really were serious about defending the honour of your cameras. Good shooting by Levi as well, especially the shots in the mall.
Quick question to Jordan: As a videographer - Panasonic G85 with its stabilisation and feature set or Fuji XT20 with those lovely colour presets?
"When I'm shooting I'm looking for anything... phallic."
XD
Lol the banter. The biggest difference is the video, the Sony blows it away.
Note: Building those softboxes is not as easy as it looks...well it doesnt look easy either lol
What camera is better for someone whose looking for high qaulity photos for traveling. and Sometimes 4k video not for vlogging though.
I been looking up the cameras consistantly for 5 days and I can't decide which one is better choice since lx10 is 300 dollars cheaper. I just cant decide which one has better photo ability..
Best gloves out there for sure, hands have yet to be cold using them
So, what is list for all compact cameras with ND filter inside :) with 4k of course?
Thumb up, but barely, due to hard to follow audio.
The taller guy speaks faster and drops his voice a lot.
I'm glad you did the shoot-out. It'd help a bit more to shoot roughly the same photo with both cameras, at least a few times.
That said, you both have good eyes and shot some nice pix I wouldn't have thought of.
I really like the format in which you guys riff off each other in these videos. But it's hard to track from scene to scene which one of you is carrying which camera, especially when your faces are covered up with Winter clothes. Could you add some text over each of your for each scene, stating which camera you're talking about?
This video reminds me of Reviews on the run Video game reviews if anybody remembers those😂
the other guy looked pissed off towards the end that u kept giving him shit as to why the rx100 is better
Very important: No overheating problem at all. Hurray!
"All your dials suck. I got a nice clicky top dial."
Trash talk game on point. You guys are just one person shy of a Grand Tour/Top Gear for cameras.
I enjoy carrying the Panasonic ZS100. It fits a niche for everyday walk around and carry. Sometimes I just don't want to bring my larger DSLRs or Mirrorless bodies and their lenses. I think Jordan mentioned the ZS100 near the end of this video. I did enjoy this video.
An LX100 or GX80 with Leica 15mm f/1.7 solves that too.
-- though, smartphones are getting more capable each release too. Looking forward to the Huawei P10 with dual Leica set-up
And the winner is.... Canon G9X .
(Mark2 I would suggest) because as crappy as it is, it actually Will fit nicely in your pocket while everything else from Panasonic, Canon and Sony looks compact but is just too thick to actually fit! Plus it costs not as much too.
Sony should slow the heck down with their prices - "RX100V" is crazy expensive and yet still does not have a touchscreen!
As far as LX10 - crappy Auto ISO, crappy video autofocus and big thickness stops me from buying it.
Surprised they didn’t mention Focus Stacking and post focus considering they are some of the biggest differences, if they were brought into the picture the Panasonic would have killed the Sony
It's not even a competition. No viewfinder is a deal breaker and the Sony is waaay ahead for video. RX100 all the way.
Sony-get a grip! Exactly why I am no longer using my RX100M4. It is hard to handle, and very off putting. Also, the RX100 series are overpriced! The Panasonic does have some grip and looks far better value for money whilst matching the Sony in what matters most-image quality! Great review-love them all. Very b-b-b-b-brave in the cold-such dedication :)
Dear How is going!? Please can you tell me what is better regarding this two camera options?
So is better to have an APS sensor with 16MP and 4896 x 3264 photos or having a 1" sensor with 20MP with 5456 x 3632 ?
About pixel density ? Photo quality and also maybe printing quality?
What you suggest? Thanks
Mark
When all is said and done, the cameras were almost identical apart from one important thing. If you had the Lumix LX-10 at the end of this video, you would walk away with $300 in your pocket compared to the Sony owner, who would have nothing in theirs because they had to fork over about $300 more just to own it. And $300 is a lot of money!
Why compare Sony RX100 V with Panasonic LX10 when the direct competition is LX100???
The RX100 overheats! Anyone thinking of getting the underwater case and shooting forget it! It over heats fogs up and shuts down after just minutes. Plus the view finder is tiny and uncountable to use. Save your money and get a MFT
you guys are a riot! great reviews, with entertainment value!
I liked photo on panasonic, video on sony. If panasonic were to add a viewfinder and more physical controls, it would be a killer affordable camera for stills. Sony is kinda "do everything thing". But honestly i wouldn't buy any of them, i think they made them too small, it's a challenging thing, i get it, but i don't think that a proper camera should be smaller than fuji x100 or similar, it should be comfortable and have as much necessary physical dials as possible.
Better lens. Touch screen. And doesn't the LX10 do "macro" better? And isn't it less expensive? For $300 more dollars, the Sony BETTER be a better camera--in ALL aspects.
You don't mention the overheating problem of the Sony RX100 V it's a fine camera but overheating problem stop me buying this camera.
Why oh why would you dislike this!...its such good fun!xx
Anyone owning that camera had a trouble with the sound the camera makes? It sounds like a ventilation from the inside. Only when the lens is out. Some says the noise comes from the stabilisation or autofocus, but it sounds very noisy to be just that?
I just got that camera and I've had an hybrid one for years without any sound like that.
I might sound dumb but I'd really like to know if it is a normal thing.
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What about the zoom? How many is it all together, the optical and the digital? Thank you!
Your videos have inspired me to go to Calgary and the Canadian Rockies this summer....but surfing for plane tickets now I understand why tickets are a 100 bucks one way to Calgary right now.
I have a Samsung NX500 APS-C with a 30mm f2 lens, would it be worth to swap to a Sony RX100V for travel video work?
I've shot with both and I don't see what they are talking about on the single point AF. Both cameras are lightning quick and almost never hunt in AF-S with a single center point. Indistinguishable as far as I could tell. The AF-C is definitely better on the Sony though due to Phase Detect AF.
The sony has overheating issue with 4k. You can only take 4-5 min videos.
I guess you can't test overheating.
Thanks for the great review. I think that you guys are funny and informative, but I wish that there was a little less personal friction displayed because it is distracting from important content. Take care. Liked and subscribed.
I want Sony Sensor with canon len. That 100 mm f2.8 feel like a DSLR
I don't know what it is but Sony has always a flatter image, i don't know to explain it. But with a Panasonic or a Canon I get a more photo feeling from the old days. That's why I prefer the Panasonic range. I had a lot of Sony camera's in the past, but hopefully there is coming a LX200....i want something small with a big sensor and of course 4K...but as always great review, I love this channel :-)
the Sony is a little bit better camera and cost $350 more.