WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN BUYING A USED WELDING MACHINE FOR YOUR RIG TRUCK
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- WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN BUYING A USED WELDING MACHINE FOR YOUR RIG TRUCK
Hey, I’m Austin Ross a pipeline welder and I created this channel to help new and future pipeline and rig welders. Today, I’m talking about used welding machine and how to find a good used welding machines for sale. I’ve talk before about the best welding machine for pipeline welder when you get started. I started with a sa200 and the Lincoln sa 200 continues to be a great starter machine, but they aren’t all created equal. Watch this video to learn how to find a good quality used pipeline welder welding machine at a fair price. If you go in educated when buying your first welding rig machine you will hopefully get a welding rig machine that last you awhile. So what’s the best machine for pipe welding? Well, when you are getting started it’s the best machine you can find in your budget. Here are my tips on how to find her.
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i've been welding about 60 yrs and started on an old hobart with a 6 cyl industrial engine back in the50's.we got an sa200 in1971 from a welding supply for a 1000 dollars at 100 per month,we built ornamental iron and did a lot of apt houses with it on the job installing,currently i have a sa200 and a 250 miller i purchased in 99 with 8500 wat generator,i still do ornamental iron work and use the miller because of the generator needed at times for power,i'll be hitting 75 at the end of may and gonna start slowing down some but gonna work till the end,i have 4 migs that i use in the shop,i just got on your site last week and really appreciate the info you're sharing with these younger generation
I have a 71 model SA200 f163 I got for free. Im really excited to get started welding. 19 years old
I was thinking about buying a sa200 for the same type of work and any other type of mobile service however can you run a small mig machine, chop saw, and grinders on a sa 200?
@@SebastianWoodard that's freaking awsome. it's a great industry to get involved in🤘🏽
@@benb6801
My '66 SA200 outlet is 120V DC. 1000 watts.
Makita and Dewalt 7" Grinders are AC/DC. I bought a 9000 watt generator for AC appliances. I didn't mind that extra expense because the SA200 is the welder I wanted. I'll take an Army Jeep engine over a lawnmower motor anyday..
SA 200 is the easiest to get into. They are like the AR-15s or Mustangs, all kinds of parts available.
I just picked up a 71 SA200 f163 for free that’s been sitting for 20-30 years
Do you guys know a website where I can find parts for a sae 200? Year is around 1967-1970
I'm not in the union and I'm not even a welder, I'm a non union journeyman painter In Boston mass . I have watched a few of your videos and noticed you never cuss , that's cool. Its interesting to see how it is working on the pipeline, and what it takes to get there and get back home
I bought a 81 blackface (octagon barrel) for $500 last year it was beat up and didn’t run. I did a distributor swap and put a kit in the carb and got it running, but it didn’t weld. The shunt coils were bad so I took the generator apart and pressed out the aluminum shunts and pressed in Frowler copper shunts. I re-insulated every an changed the armature bearing. It welds like a dream and I have around $2,000 in it now that it’s mechanically sound. I’m starting on the “Purdy stuff” now. On the oil leak I started it with 10w30 but the original rope seals don’t like a split weight oil. I run sae 40w in it now and it’s pretty much stopped leaking.
So based on this video, I bought a n sa200. I'm not a welder but have spent in excess of $50k for my 2 boys welding tech schools.
Clean 1965 red face. I've restored old tractors before so we'll do a welder now. Thanks for your insight.
Great video.
Copper vs Aluminum.
Let me start by saying...
1) most welders simply repeat what they are told from an old guy, who heard from another old guy, who heard it from a farmer that could barely weld
2) most welders pay someone to do the real mechanical work...because...they weld for living, so they dont have to work on their own stuff. Which...I agree with, btw.
3) most welders that complain of the machine having issues...whatever the issues are...
The machine they are welding with is jacked 9 ways to Sunday, and backyard hacked to hell and back...so, the reason for the issues, can literally be 1,000 different things, including staggered brushes, rolling the rack, long before you can accurately deduce to copper vs aluminum windings.
So....having said that.
Copper vs Aluminum....
The issues had nothing to do the aluminum or the copper windings.
Their was an issue with the soldered connection on the windings. And that was straight from Lincoln welding engineer.
I had it saved for years, til my phone crashed.
Will try to find it again.
Also....."All Copper" doesent necessarily mean "100% Copper".
Short story.....copper or aluminum...
If it meets the criteria you described above for buying a used machine. And you like the price. Buy it.
It's a sa200.
If it runs decent, welds decent....
Do some basic maintenance, and you will have an outstanding machine.
Dont be afraid of the heard it from an old timer nonsense.
Age has no real direct relation to wisdom.
Thanks Austin. My rig is almost done. I got me a SA 200 from my dads good friend. Passed my tig and pulse mig on pipe now on to stick weld !
In 1938 you could buy the 200 gen set and controls and marry it to any engine. By 1941 Lincoln built the "SA200" with the L200 (base model F162) engine. I believe it was in 1956 when Lincoln extended the frame of the machine and the hood to cover the complete generator housing. The birth of the "long hood" split panel. The faceplate was the same as the "shorthood" (black and silver) but it now had 5 position selector switch (this however was not the first SA200 with the 5 position selector switch). Around 1960 Lincoln transitioned from the black/silver faceplate to the red/blue faceplate. This originally happened with only 3 code numbers. Following this is 1962 the red long and all square corner faceplate arrived. In 1967 the front panel was changed from the split panel to a pressed style panel and the faceplate changed to the upper rounded edge red. Code 7074 Lincoln changed the winding specs of the machine and the design of the exterior of the gen housing-- the housing went hex and interior windings (shunts, series and exciter coils) became 50/50 aluminum and copper. This decreased the weight and MFG cost of the machine. The windings would remain this way until 1993 when the CLASSIC series came out. The Classic 1 original had the F163 engine. The engine changed to a TM27 around 1995. The end of the "SA-200 F163"...
My first real stick welder was a beat up 1985 SA 200 for $1000 with trailer. The engine used a 1/2 of a quart of oil in an hour , smoked, and slobbered oil, but it was so easy to weld with, and put down a nice weld bead with a 6010 or 7018, can't hardly beat them.
It's a must have took, Jumper cables, yo jump start welder of from truck, simple comon, sense.
I have a miller 200le aead that smokes its 3.5 quarts of sae 40 oil in a day and has to be started with a rope because i burnt the starter but when it runs theres nothing like it. I can probably toss rods in its direction and it would weld for me lol 3 phase 4 pole with 3 transformers
My grandfather bought me my first welder as a gift, mainly because there isn't too many welders with brain damage so he surprised me with it. The welder we ended up picking up is a Lincoln eagle. I'd rather have a diesel ranger 305g or something so maybe one day I'll upgrade to one but this eagle model is definitely a decent one to start with. My main thing I don't care for about it is if it sits too long and you have to do an oil change because oil ends up in the carburetor. Luckily due to the design doing an oil change on these really isn't hard to quickly do. It came with short leads so I just recently got new longer leads
Been watching you for a long time, complained a couple times cause I kept applying to pipeline jobs and never got a call cause I didn’t have experience or knew anyone in the industry. But now I’ve been a helper for a month in south Texas and I love it! Keep up the good work man, so glad I’m finally Pipelining 🙏
Congrats! That’s awesome! Hang in there.
Also, an SA 200 will ride on a 3/4 ton truck if you have a 3/4 ton to start with.
I have a 2013 Lincoln classic 300D sitting in my 16 3500 Ram with an adjustable idle control great for switching between running beads and capping extremely versatile machine
Research is important!! Once you got a good running machine I take the advice that Austin and other welder give is: learn to weld with your machine!! Not all machines run the same, some have different brushes, some people roll the rack. So good research goes a long way but anyone who’s reading this also remember not all machines weld the same and once you got a good running machine, learn your machine and how to weld with it.
been watching your videos non stop for the past couple days i have no welding experience. was in a welding class in high school but was removed my 2nd week because i didn't have enough credits for electives (didn't like to do my work freshman year so i almost failed and had to make up credits.) but i have always been fascinated by the trade and i have to say your videos have really made me want to pursue welding again might take me a while but i am determined didn't know where my life was going and felt lost honestly. thank you so much for these videos keep em coming!!!!
That’s awesome! It’s good to hear the videos are helpful. Thanks for sharing.
If you can, get a welder helper job, learn what you can and earn that money, work some OT if you have to! If by the year they havent let you weld anything (and hopefully you saved up some money) buy yourself either a gas engine generator welder or a plug in the wall welder (your call) and practice practice practice. Once you get a decent amount of practice and some work experience in the job, you can leave and look for a good paying Welding job.
BW parts is the best I get all my 200 parts from them I got a and a 71 red face and an 84 blackface and I’m in the midst of picking up a blue dial red face. I swear by the distributor they start so much easier. The mag what they love about them is you don’t have to have a great battery to start the machine with a distributor your electrical system has to be perfect your battery and your alternator have to be charged up to start the machine. The main seal they came out with is a 2 piece seal it is great
I’m 10 been welding 2 yrs and I started on an sa 200 and now I’m looking to use a classic 300d but I know the sa 200 is just perfect and it sounds so nice.
The first year was 1932 that was the first year of a engine driven welder. Before that they had pony motors to turn a generator with a belt.
Boy, does this bring up a lot of emotions. My dad was a pipeline welder forever it seemed. He loved it and was one of the best. If someone needed a couple of welders they'd just call my dad. Worker deluxe.
Anyway, I inherited his rig. It's in his shop right now. I will check to see what kind of machine it is.
Just recently I have wanted to learn to weld with it. But it has set there 22 years. Not sure about it at all.
Anyway, thanks for a terrific channel. Will be looking at more of your videos. Jesus bless.
I just want to add a comment to your Lincoln oil leaks. Most of those engines are 162 continental engines and the upgrade is it used to have a rope seal on the bottom and on the top and if you didn’t know how to put them on, then they leaked But you know you work with that grade is a big seal now it’s a whole seal that you have to pull and you can get it all on there. I just gotta make sure that your crank is ready for it but I hope this helps. I appreciate your channel thanks, sir.
2k is the going rate in my area for a barn special! They run but need Paint and a new face etc.
The most confident video I think I have seen you done, you rocking man!!
For parts on the SA 200 machines I use BW Parts. The low idle boards are less than $100 from BW Parts.
The beauty of the mag is you don’t need a battery for it to run. If you are crazy enough you can hand crank it like a Model T. If you are having battery trouble, you don’t have to stop working as long as you can jumpstart it. 1966 model bought new by my friend’s dad with matching 66 Dodge D200 to carry it around with. His truck was well known.
I picked up a '79 Miller Big 40 that needs some work for $250 last week. I went miller because it has A/C power
How do you like it
Ive been looking at one for 500, are they good machines? Anything bad about them?
@@alexporter9667 do not buy a used Miller for under $5,000....unless you have a degree in electrical engineering.
Yes, I've been running a Miller for 10yrs now. Yes, I can troubleshoot it myself.
Most people cant.
Therefore, dont but a cheap used miller.
@@michaelbarnhill2685 I am good buddies with the guy that has it and I have ran a few rods on it... Seems like everything is good. Just wondering if it is worth it
bought my 64 for 900 canadian , an took it with me back east . runs fantastic even though its almost original . great vid , thanks
I just bought a short hood that has a seized engine and came with an extra f162 that turns over I got it all for 300$ hoping to make it into another dream machine! I love my sa200 and love how so many people do. They work. They really do. And you know I think this old one I just bought is from the late 40's I have not run the vin yet
I just got me a hobart welder with leads trailor and runs and starts great and welds good to for 1500
Talking about welding rigs every time I go past a pipeline job I don’t know why I do this but I always look for your black dodge because I need to start watching the channel more so I know which job your on and if your in my state which is West Virginia.
I’ve always heard at idle turn it off and see how fast till the engine stops moving. That supposedly gives you a good idea on the compression of the engine because the two piston rings are seeding properly. Or pull out a spark plug and check compression with a gauge.
My mom was saying the magneto machines you can still hand crank start them with a dead battery, but if you have the upgraded distributor setup you can't do the hand crank option. I suppose that if you get stuck in the boondocks with no jumper cables the magneto and hand crank might be your friend. It's a little scary though. Gotta keep you hands open on the hand crank. There's definitely a technique to that.
Also when running good check on remote from I believe it is Cable Control. Easier adjusting while welding instead of going back and forth to machine. I think around $450.
Hi Austin thanks for your content, I'm not a professional welder but I do weld as part of my job as a field service equipment technician. That being said I do enjoy welding but I do not have a welder at home just the miller engine drive on my service truck. Appreciate ya giving input on welders
The resistance in aluminum windings changes as they warm up. So when you first start welding they weld fine, as it warms up the power drops slightly, so you need to turn it up. Copper does the same thing only it's less noticeable and is more consistent over the ranges of operating temperatures.
This exactly.
could u do a video on some smaller motor driven welders. like the rangers or bobcats id like that.
I use to do some shop welding in my younger days. Built horse trailors in Chickasha Oklahoma for a long time. Worked for champion trailors in Chickasha my uncle owned Morris welding in Chickasha my dad worked there but i didnt i was just a kid back then.
I just picked up a miller 225 with a 16hp onan engine. The engine threw a rod and messed the piston and crank. I got a parts engine to make the repairs.
I can't find an SA200 for less than $4500 here in the SW Texas SE New Mexico area!
Seriously bro
Got one here in south texas for like $4500
Got one 3500 Wyoming
If you "upgrade" to a new lincoln ranger you never have to worry about idle kits or new carb funny business mag,distri??? Try efi and electronic ignition!!!Great video Austin
Yes sir. A newer machine is a good investment for long term. 👌
@@arosswelding If you wait craigslist shall deliver.... Found mine for 400 BUCKS
yeah but a ranger burns up and isnt liquid cooled so no good for serious pipe guys or pipelining
Air cooled but we have run em on the hottest summer days for 10 hr shifts running 200amps no problems. No pipeline for me but structural
Our 2 have been running all year separately for going on 6 years and the machines were both purchased used. I think if you find a good ranger its 👍even for pipeline
Great video Austin, my uncle had two SA 200's I believe, he welded with those machines for many years.
Hey Austin!
if you find one with an old Continental flat head, they are really simple to overhaul, but, doing the valves in the block CAN be tricky if you don't have the right tool's lol! THATS RIGHT KID'S , THE VALVES ARE IN THE BLOCK, NOT THE HEAD!!
Just like an old lawnmower.
I've seen flathead continental, Ford 172ci swaps, Chrysler flathead, and the occasional Hercules flathead.
(I don't think anyone was dumb, or desperate enough to put one of those Babbitt rod Chevy's in one!
By the way, the 172 4cyl Ford ohv tractor engine is pretty easy to work on, and pretty reliable to boot!
I got burnt out on the hype about lincoln welders a long time ago. I use Hobart welders with willys jeep engines in them. The warranty was forever. I have a 1946/250 a 1962/250 a 1965/400 with 6 cylinder slant 6. Have used them for years. One is sitting on a F700 Ford utility. You can buy these extremely cheap. The army says that these engines are what won the war. The one on the F700 is started and runs all day. I barely changes when striking an arc, and is extremely reliant. I air arc with these machines also. That takes a good machine. They are very easy to work on also.
I have two old Hobarts from the late 50's, GPB 257 Pipeliner and a GPB 258 Mainliner model, they both have the willys cj2A engine, cool old machines, don't hardly hear about these old welders much.
@@CJ7fun-zv2hs Most people dont know that if you had the code provided by Hobart, to give to willys jeep in Toledo Ohio, Willys would send you a brand new crate engine to go back on your welder for 2100.00 dollars, if yours got beyond repair. There is not much that can go wrong with the willys though. New plugs wires, cap and rotor button and you are up and going again.
Austin, couldn't tell ya when they made the last, but my SA 200 is a 1946 model. I believe they were first made back in the '30s, but I'm not 100% certain.
We've got a '41 sa200, so at least since then
Oh right on! That’s awesome!
I’m picking up a ‘49 SA 200 short hood in a couple days. Can’t wait to make it my own.
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I work in ND and I had a 200 when I first started like everyone else and the mag with a big optima red top battery I could crank up with no problem in -35 and it was awesome. It by far started better in the cold than my sae300 does
I had a barn find SA-400 that I picked up for 1k. Just needed a carb adjustment and points. Had to sell it when I relocated for a new job. I wish I still had it!
Going to buy 1958 SAE 200 Sunday!
Wish u could post photos bro
Hows it holding up
@@rashidgrayson49 didn’t end up buying it they said it ran and sent videos but when I got there it needed a new engine. The fuel tank was rotted out spark plug wires were missing and few other thing were bad/missing
Thanks for this interesting video will subscribe and follow up on your information about getting the right equipment, I have being a single hand welder working at the Petrochemical Plant, save enough money to go into pipe line work with my own truck and your advice is amazingly helpful, once again thank you , keep up the good work, 👋🏼 from Houston Texas
i want a tshirt or a sticker that says "You heard Andre. You heard what he said."
Yez
Lol! Too funny
I'm trying to get into welding I'm so happy I just purchased a sa200 red face blue dial
Thanks for tips to keep in mind when I will buy my used weld machine
Make sure it's consistent on OCV's every time you run it.if not then it might have a carb issue that needs to be worked out.
Man I love the channel. Iam work on big trucks and I do a lot of welder I have all my papers and stuff. I love welding. Keep up the good videos.
Everyone in my area (Nebraska) wants 5 Grand ish and most are old and original. Nice to see what they should go for and what parts run. I weld pipe in mechanical field so no pipeliner but I'd love an old 200. Have a Lincoln ranger 250gxt now I bought new and it's nice and will weld pipe but nothing like the sa 200
I’m going to buy a 71 black face sa 200 tomorrow and every one is telling me that the blackface where not good welders if this is true why is that haven’t really found anything out
I just got a 78 sa200 and it don't leak oil😁👍knock on wood✊
Just picked up an Eagle 10000 plus, awesome machine. Great for the Ranch and fencing work.
I'm no pipeliner, but I love working with steel & Pipe!
1969 sa200 lincoln welds like a dream
1936 to 1993 for the SA200. Got a '55 short hood that I'm going to finish rebuilding now with this stupid layoff.
Funny my welding supply would still be asking me questions on that carb 4 years later
I’m 26 years old I’m in the natural gas industry and I weld on the lines such as fittings weld over sleeves but I wanna go bigger and wanna start pipelining and get a welding rig but I don’t know what truck or where to even start any help would be greatly appreciated or and advice would be great thank you Austin love your videos!
Could you make a video on a run through on what to look for or con of a used machine? Really looking into a sa200 thanks stay blessed
I think 89 was the last year made. I’m curious about those decals on your mudboard. Hand signs? And the 200’s do come in a “red face” and the equally badass “blackface”. Then there’s the more sought after, “red-blue face”
Right on.
Somebody is a pipeline pierce fan...
😎🤘🏼
Thanks for the great video Austin
You bet 👌😎 thanks for watching!
The JB weld commercial on this vid made me laugh.
Love your channel. I’m kinda close to ya. Fort Smith ar. I’m always in Oklahoma I drive a tanker truck picking up used oil (petroleum based)
Cool! I’m glad you love the channel! 👌
The first engine driven Lincoln was 1932 according to lincolns serial number pdf on their site.
My low idle board was $65 on black friday from BW Parts.
dude you look like a younger version of bill clinton 😂
Thanks for sharing with us Austin. 👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Austin , im not a pipeliner welder , but its this sa welder machines there good to for weld structures , cause so everyone used miller bobcats 225 or Lincoln welder machines
A 200 was my breakout machine and let me tell ya YOU WILL LEARN TO MECHANIC ON THEM!! If your gonna run a 200 on the line your gonna have to be able to work on them because you WILL BE WORKING ON THEM ATLEAST 2 TIMES A WEEK AFTER WORK or even on the ROW
@Swampy mines not jacked up, I made a couple jobs with it then bought a pipe pro no issues at all with my miller :)
Yup. Pos machines lol
I have a 1945 short hood hand crank SA200 1400 rpm max. So they made em in the 40’s at least. The older 200’s I like due to the diaphram style versus the other box that goes out often, from the solenoid. Just my 0.02$
75 blackface was my first machine and I used to add a quart at lunch everyday lol
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I have a 1944 SA 200, it's pre short hood. The short hoods started in 1945 I think.
For the approximate $4k in a nice sa200 why not buy a Lincoln or Miller 250 for $5k and have a new machine with a warranty?
I am a beginner, but facinated why you guys used deisel generaters, is that because you just need to weld in remote locations, or is it also because you need high current for pipe welding?
You should do a video on calling to get a welding job
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I hear alot of people when selling sa200's say in their ad "never been on pipeline" as if its a bad thing.....is the reason everyone is so concerned about if the machine has been on pipeline just cause of high hours on the machine otherwise id think they were better taken care of beings that its an essential tool used everyday by the pipeliner guys. Any help on this clarification would be great as im looking to go buy a sa200 redface from a pipeliner guy.
I by Kemppi mastertig 3500, that IS 350 amp machine. But best rod welding machine is Kemppi Tylarc 383, we normal use agregat how we Power our machine
People get annoyed sometimes because when I bring something up I know everything about it because I get on my smartphone and I research everything.i guess researching stuff isn't a natural trait🤔 I like knowing things wether it is relevant or not I have been researching welders for some time now I cannot drive yet so big generator welder isn't something I can do I have heard a lot about these older machines like the buzz boxes,I am currently looking at a Mosa welder which is smaller
I have part of a Sa200 from 1930s so at least since then its pre red face but its copper wound
Maybe someday i might try arc again. Never could get the hang of feeding the stick in and travel together. I can mig fairly well but it tricky outside like i saw you dealing with that cattle trl so you sticked it instead. Ive done a little tig when i was a tool n die apprentice till economy tanked a bit in 06ish
Thank you
With a mag in good condition, you can start it with a crank in a pinch.
Well the first longbody 200 was 1958 but shorthoods are basically the same just older and different body
What are a good couple of mobile welding machines? For mig stick tig.
Thanks for the information😃😃
I'm die hard Lincoln fan, how ever the only draw back is they don't have a power plant to use a plasma cutter
Good information thanks 👍
I haven't seen one for sale for no less than 5k. I went hobart for budget reasons. And ac power for when we lose power.
I dont really know about like the generator and welders, I dont know, I just weld pipe. How damn funny.
Do you have an opinion on a newer welder with a gas engine? I see most newer welders come with Kohler motors. I personally cant stand Kohler, in my experience they are loud junk engines with poor casting. Have you seen other gas options?
Redface/copper wound round barrel armature, Blackface/aluminum has an octagon shape to the armature.
each SA-200 welds different and i have noticed the older ones weld nicer and you can tell the difference between copper and aluminum. with the aluminum machines they weld ok but the aluminum wire in the shunt coils will rot and then one day it wont weld anymore. i own 3 aluminum machines and one doesnt weld because the wire rotted away so the copper machines will last longer and i think they copper welds better, just my opinion.
how many millers do you see on the pipeline?
how many amps do you need to do some mobile work. i just grabbed a 80's lincoln weldanpower 225 amp is that a big defferance to a sa 200
Copper conducts electricity better. Aluminum can swell and shrink leaving loose conections. Loose connection gives the opportunity for shorts and then you have amperage issues. I’ma go copper