Ogilby Road BLM California - *Update* New Camping Restrictions
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ธ.ค. 2018
- In this video, I provide information on the new or maybe newly enforced dispersed camping restrictions at Ogilby Road BLM in southern California near Yuma, AZ
I was visited by a BLM ranger and told I was breaking the rules camped where I was. He was nice and educated me on the rules and where to get an app and map to find the proper areas to camp.
I thought I'd do an update video to pass along the info.
Here is the information PDF for the area with camping rules - www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/fil...
See my previous posts and videos on Ogilby Road BLM area:
www.loveyourrv.com/ogilby-cib...
www.loveyourrv.com/boondockin...
Link to the BLM Georeferenced PDF Maps - www.blm.gov/maps/georeference...
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Merry Christmas to you and Anne. Look forward to more videos next year.
Thanks for the video/info Ray! We are headed that way in a week, hopefully the area we stayed in last year will be open for camping. Getting ready to download the app now!
I always get the best information from you Ray. I sure appreciate it.
Glad to hear. Cheers!
Thanks for that very important information. Since this is my first year snow birding I know the app & the maps will (hopefully) keep me out of trouble.
USFS started implementing FEDERAL rule 36 CFR 261.13 several years ago. Some areas you only get 30 feet. Fight back. They are closing roads (illegally) too.
Thanks Ray, great info! I hope to hit the trail full time sometime soon. I really appreciate all of your videos.
You're welcome. Cheers, Ray
thanks for the heads up and graciously taking your precious time to inform and take the mystery out safe,fun,healthy, travels ahead
You bet. :)
Thanks for the update and the information about the map app. We were staying in Yuma back in October and made a trip out to Ogilby Road to look around. It's on my short list of places to stay if we ever make it back to that area. Stay safe!
You're welcome. :)
Good information to know here. Downloading the app as I type this. Thanks for the tips!!!
Pat
Drove through there today to go to the dunes from Yuma. If you get a chance, go to the top of that antenna mountain to your right when Ogilby curves west. My gf and I drove up a few months back and the views are stunning. Love your videos!
Thanks for the update!
Thanks for the app instructions, looks like the BLM has adopted similar rules to what apply to the National Forest roads regarding dispersed camping along marked designated roads. There are pros & cons to it & it surely makes it more complicated for the snowbirds as the weekend warriors compete for the same congested spaces, makes you research your areas a little deeper now for that scenic paradise view isolated from everyone else. Thanks & let us know updates as you go.
Very informative. Thanks for the excellent instructions.
Thank you, really appreciate getting that app one week before I go full time.
So good to know about the app! And I've asked a couple of BLM rangers if there was anything online they could help me find right place for dispersed camping and they didn't know.
Thanks for the great tips Ray!
Glad to see your response to a comment that this was more California/Area specific. I never plan to boondock in California but sure glad to get the info.
Too bad there are some amazing places in CA to camp. It's such a beautiful state. www.loveyourrv.com/tag/california/ Cheers, Ray
Thanks Ray. We are headed there second week of January, I will get the app....Mick.
Thanks so much for this great video.
Thanks for showing how the app works.
Thank you, very informative.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks so much for the info!
Thanks for the mapping app lead. We have been boondocking off American girl mine RD for a week now with no issue. On the map it looks like we’re a hair off the green line. Hopefully it’s good enough.
Good info, things change yearly. Safe journey
Thanks for the info
Very good info. Wonder what is going on in AZ, since Cali is appearing go change rules
Love that engine sound!!
Good info, thanks!
Thanks for this video Ray! We haven't camped on BLM land yet but it is definitely in our plans, so this is very helpful indeed! I did notice you have your hummingbird feeder out and was wondering if any are coming around?
Yes, both Costa's and Anne's hummingbirds are around all the time. :)
Thank you Ray good to know!
Sucks that they’re limiting access, but you’ve shared good info. Thanks!
Thanks for the heads up. I'm just heading to BLM near the Kofa National refuge on Tuesday. The maps should be useful.
Thanks Ray.
These restrictions seem to be becoming more numerous.
No mystery about who wants more regulation(s).
Thanks Ray
Excellent info. The past year or so I've noticed a big uptick in enforcement through out the West. I think it's the political change ($$$ use it or lose it) and increase in full timers visiting certain areas. You're in CA, so they are always the first to jump on the band wagon with enforcement/restrictions. I can count the times I've seen a BLM employee on one hand the past 5 years, so hope that's a CA thing and not universal. In the 60's-low 70s in S. NV, so going to hang out near water before I head too far south for the Winter. Did you get any rain the other day? Happy trails.
Yes, got a good solid day of rain while we were camped at the Salton Sea. Was nice, cleared the air. :)
Thanks for the information I remember back in the day is bring in the vehicle Settingup tent 🏕 simple easy who how long that’s going to last,l waited all my life to be a Snowbird ,then one wonders will they allow us to camp anywhere for free ? what you are doing is GREAT 👍 I’m just so sorry our government makes it hard for you to live peacefully and free With nature
Ray i like the looks of your 5th wheel . would you mind saying what length it is Seems like a nice to pull especially with your diesel ram.
Thanks, the model number is 276RLS but the tip to tail is about 30 feet and total rig length hooked up is 45. Here is a link to a video I did after reviewing it after 6 years - www.loveyourrv.com/cougar-trailer-review-fulltime-rving/ It's close to 8 years now and still rolling along. :) Cheers, Ray
That Ram Cummins is a towing beast huh ? 😁👍🏼
Yes, loving the new truck! :)
Ray, I was wondering does your new Canadian version Ram Diesel truck require that DEF ? (diesel exhaust fluid?)
Yes, it has a 5.5-gallon tank. Just got the DEF low warning the other day after a little over 3000 miles. About half towing miles.
Great video, Thanks for the info. But, remember you're in California. Where, if it's working properly, change it. Actually, they're wanting everyone to be closer to the routes, in case of emergencies, like wildfires and floods. Have a good time..
Aren’t the blue squares on the map State School Land usually just one square mile? I know in Wyoming and Idaho they don’t allow overnight camping on Andy State School Land, that is why I was asking.
Good info Ray! Don't want any trouble with BLM! Is BLM going to start doing this everywhere?
The ranger said it was a BLM California thing right now, not in AZ. I would guess every field office may have different rules, the one for this area is El Centro - www.blm.gov/office/el-centro-field-office
Thanks for sharing. I had heard that you can no longer have anything attached to your windshield in CA. GPS and such had to be placed lower. Have you heard anything about that?
Someone commented about that a while back on one of my videos.
Its true. We are here in Indio, CA. Cannot have anything attached to wundshield...gps, webcam, nothing.
I read that you can have stuff in a couple specific locations, I think it was down in the corners.
That has been a state and local law in many parts of the country since sometime in the 90's. Its just not enforced in many places. What brought that up? did I miss something in this video?
Thanks for the quick response. Say I was just at the ogilby off ramp North and there are two signs on either side of the road just as you enter and they both say fee required? Is there still any blm land you can camp on? Nov. 4, 2021.
I'm not sure about the current rules as I haven't been there for a few years now. Best to give the El Centro BLM office a call and see if you can talk to a ranger. www.blm.gov/office/el-centro-field-office But I think the area you are talking about is a fee area for the Imperial Sand Dunes Rec Area and you need to buy a pass. The free BLM camping is further up Ogilby Rd across the train tracks mostly on the right. See this map for more info - www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/documents/files/public-room-california-routes-of-travel-eastern-imperial-county-neco.pdf
Thanks Ray. Do you think it is because they are trying to reestablish growth in the area or what?
Not sure, I think its a possible desert tortoise habitat.
My rule when travelling is always obey the rules of anywhere I'm staying. Even if I can't see any obvious reason for the rules there probably is a good reason which I just don't know about.
sissy
What a good subject you are!
Hi friend,what is the best time to visit this place or the best season maybe not too hot?
Wintertime is the best for not too hot, from November to March is nice
Thank you Ray ! Great Update. Do you think this is a BLM Lands wide new restriction or just for that area ? And what is the rationale behind this new restriction?
Thanks, Looks like it was just a enforcement of rules in that particular area for that year, maybe they were bored and didn't have much to do, as I went to the same spot this January and never saw a BLM officer enforcing their rules and saw many rigs camped well off the routes again. Last year they had warnings posted on their rigs, this year nothing.
I believe the rational is to protect desert tortoises as they were spotted in the area and they are protected. Just a guess though. Could also be some enforcement due to people overstaying 14 days or showing up with mass gathering without a permit. Easy way for the BLM ranger is to just enforce the rules that are on the book for the area. Its under the management of the El Centro office. www.blm.gov/office/el-centro-field-office
Love Your RV ; thank you for the very complete answer . I just truly love your videos. I watch them intently and learn a bunch ! Godspeed.
@@LoveYourRV Your video is the only information I have found regarding BLM restricting access here. Also, no information found on any sightings of desert tortoise in this area either. No official BLM statements whatsoever about this. Makes me wonder that this particular BLM officer decided upon him/herself to do this. BLM don't need to enforce the 14-day limit and/or improper group gatherings via an obscure rule, they use rules designated to handle either scenario that are specific. Yes, I stayed here in 2018, 2019 and early 2020.
@@ScubaSteveCanada Here is the routes of travel map the BLM Ranger referred me to via the app www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/maps-avenza-california-eastern_imperial_county_route.pdf You can see in the bottom left corner it states - Camping is allowed up to 300 feet from designated routes of travel, except in sensitive areas where the limit is 100 feet. He told me the designated routes of travel are in green and I was OK to camp within 300 feet. Like I said I went there about the same time last year and everyone was once again camped all over the place with no signs of enforcement. A BLM Ranger truck came once during my 14-day stay and it was to tell a guy to quit shooting his gun off. I did talk to some fellow campers that actually found a desert tortoise in the middle of American Girl Mine Road
Here is another BLM rules document that talks more about the area and recreation trails.dirtdevils.org/mw/images/1/19/Blm_neco_routes_map.pdf It states: In accordance with the California Desert Conservation Area
Plan, as amended, stopping, parking, and vehicle camping is allowed within 300 feet of designated routes of travel, except within sensitive areas (such as areas of critical environmental concern, desert wildlife management areas, and critical habitat areas) where the limit is 100 feet from the route. So to me, it looks like the rules are on the books, just depends if the rangers decide it's worth their time to enforce them or not.
@@LoveYourRV Thanks Ray. I was looking for an actual listing of the rules/regulations, not for maps that have the restrictions listed. I've stayed there many times but never use a map for the area. You would think BLM would highlight this on their web page like they do for fire restrictions/closures.
Downloaded the app. I'm not seeing any maps for Arizona BLM yet. Bet that's coming though
Found them here www.blm.gov/maps/frequently-requested/arizona.
Once downloaded chose to open with the app you mentioned
Thanks Ray, I’m wondering why these places are being limited.
I hope it’s not because of some people not cleaning up after themselves.
Or maybe BLM is trying to limit the numbers anticipating more people living full time.
Happy trails 😊
Not sure, but this area has always been a fairly mellow place to camp and I've never seen much trash. Think it may have to do with protecting desert tortoise habitat. The big sand dunes are near and draw huge crowds of ATV and duners, so maybe this is to keep them off the land over here with vehicles. I'll post if I find out more info. Cheers, Ray
Ray, Do you think these BLM rules are for California or do they include Arizona, Utah, Colorado? That seems pretty over the top restrictions; especially for desert terrain.
I asked and the ranger said it was for California. I think its conservation - tortoise.org/conservation/neco.html The Ranger mentioned that desert tortoises had been spotted in the summer.
Oh good. Those Califunny people love them rules and regulations. Thanks for replying and have a good evening.
@@LoveYourRV Meanwhile they build solar power farms that cover many acres of Tortoise habitat and build huge solar towers that vaporize birds that fly into the reflective paths that heat the steam towers near Primm, NV.
@@johnpurdum8126 I've seen those, wow are the bright!
@@kevinholland4156 I don't and I've lived here for 60 years. Don't lump us all together. Just like not all people from Kentucky are toothless. Not all from Ca are libs.
We go down a few more miles to the Tumco mine area, I wonder if that is included in the new rules?
The ranger said it's the whole area. Just California BLM though not AZ
@@LoveYourRV Thanks If you go up to Tumco you can park near the mine very good spots, thanks!
How's the cell service there?
@@LoveYourRV If you move around a little you will get one bar on verizon but we didn't have the We Boost installed when we were there last year. BTW right across the highway is an RV park pretty cheap to dump.
Thanks. :)
Sorry Ray, my previous post was going down hill so I deleted it. Cheers
First we've heard of this. Wonder if they went through a public comment process? Sounds like the area isn't even signed to reflect the changes. Could be an "emergency" regulation, I suppose. Might be wrong, I don't follow all the happenings of the BLM field offices in California, but doesn't sound like this rule change was well thought out or communicated properly to the public.
Maybe its been on the books for a long time and not enforced much. I did talk to another camper that's been here a week or so and seen the rangers several times.
BLM is suffering from the same budget problems as most governmental agencies and dispersed free camping generates zero revenue. Perhaps this was an alternative to paid camping at $10/night? Also, how could they ever communicate properly with non-locals who pass through like ships in the night? There will be a learning curve for certain. Perhaps routes are the future for BLM land. Yikes!
It's not a money thing for us. I'd gladly pay to camp here, it's the open spaces, views and tons of elbow room between other campers I desire. Most paid for parks are jammed tight. Many other BLM sites have volunteer camp hosts to help inform people of the rules and where to camp.
@@LoveYourRV Seems like a few well placed signs might help keep the BLM officers from chasing folks out of their suddenly illegal camp spots. They might have good reason to keep folks out of those areas but they could have certainly handled it better. In any case, it is what it is and we appreciate the heads up.
Ray let me start by saying I love your channel I bought a cougar a couple of years older than yours and it has been a wealth of information and this critique is not aimed at you .YOU are a gentleman but rather it is aimed at some of the comments I read in this post that has me very worried, I tried to walk away but alas I am back. The vitriol and unveiled disdain I am seeing towards other americans is not only reprehensible it is --- well it's unamerican. We are talking about our neighbors for god's sake. If you cant talk without disdain maybe you shouldn't post. bringing up the evil caravans really put the cherry on top
Thanks. I travel a lot and find the online world is a distorted view of reality. It just takes a few with a loud megaphone to make it seem like things are really bad. In the real world the overwhelming majority are just living there lives and extremely friendly. Cheers, Ray
Thats one of the better posts of the true reality of things, and people online need to be reminded of it more often, Thanks Ray.👍✌️
They need to post signs
MyCloth Yes, that seems to solve everything. Not.
Really nice place?...ummm...am I missing the lush trees...streams...scenic areas?
Looks like camping on the moon.
I live in the lush Willamette Valley of the Pacific Northwest and have always prefered the high desert or semi-arid parts of the country by far. To each her or his own.
Variety is the spice of life. :) One can get bored of lush trees and streams. Grew up in the northwest, so saw it every day.
Tons of people love the desert in the winter. Wide open vistas, amazing sunsets, sunny skies, and more wildlife than you would expect. Love the hummingbirds here.
@@LoveYourRV Ray you are so correct! I live on an island in the Florida Keys surrounded by water for the past 35 years, I love it when I go up North to the mainland and Central Florida and camp in the wide open spaces as well as the forest areas.
don't screw up the dirt or gravel.
Been camping out that way for many years. Ranger met up with you only because of where u were located. They don't bother enforcing the 14 day limit at all once you're out of sight from the main road. AGMR never see's BLM staff or rangers. I have a close friend who has been out there for 8 years now. He has friends who have been around there for almost five years. One couple runs a 6500 watt genset for 5 months almost non stop at daytime during the hot season running two window units. Lady said she spent just over $1700 for gas on that genset for the season. Not saying break the rules, one of the reasons they have those rules is so they can spot you from the roads. They don't have anywhere close to the manpower to traverse the high desert off path looking for people.
Guess it depends on the manpower or the ranger. At that time every rig camped too far off the routes got a red warning sticker on the door of the RV telling them to move by a certain date or get a fine. I went back the next year and the people were back camped everywhere and the rangers did nothing.
I read that it's a conservation area for the desert tortoise so I guess the idea is to dissuade people from driving all over the place and keep to official routes.
Here is the rules PDF for the area www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/documents/files/public-room-california-routes-of-travel-eastern-imperial-county-neco.pdf
4. In accordance with the California Desert Conservation Area
plan, as amended, stopping, parking, and vehicle camping is
allowed within 300 feet of designated routes of travel, except
within sensitive areas (such as areas of critical environmental
concern, desert wildlife management areas, and critical
habitat areas) where the limit is 100 feet from the route.
If you see ranger again please ask if all blm land is going to be managed this way....like Quartsite ?
I asked and its California specific, not Arizona/Quartzsite. Maybe it's just this area.
I think he was from the El Centro field office. - www.blm.gov/office/el-centro-field-office
I could totally be mistaken... camping on blm land has always for as long as I can remember, 300ft from a road.
It varies from place to place, I know a pretty universal thing is camping a certain distance from any water source and many say on an already established campsite. I usually look for a spot that has been used before, may have a fire ring.
BLM and their constantly changing of wording and rules has been a thorn for many a year for those of us who recreate (or used to in my case) at the Glamis Dunes. *rolleyes
Ray, maybe border security with the caravans trying to get into the US, has something to do with it. Maybe they want to keep ppl safe and not to far off the beaten path. That is just a thought. You are close to Mexican border. Be safe.
No, that's not it, I only had to move a few hundred yards. We are perfectly safe, its a long, long border. It's heavily patrolled in this area. Not far from here, few miles, in the Imperial Sand Dunes thousands of people come to drive ATV and dune buggies and camp every weekend. Interstate 8 is 5 miles south of us. We have full cell coverage. We are definitely not far off the beaten path :)
Dispersed camping is allowed off of the roads. They don't get to say just the hwy is a road. All roads are roads.
True you are allowed to camp off of any marked BLM routes of travel. But you can't make your own road or use none official marked routes or roads that have been previously used. That's what I was told.
Here are the rules and map with routes of travel for that BLM region - www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/documents/files/public-room-california-routes-of-travel-eastern-imperial-county-neco.pdf
Excerpt to do with camping:"In accordance with the California Desert Conservation Area
plan, as amended, stopping, parking, and vehicle camping is
allowed within 300 feet of designated routes of travel, except
within sensitive areas (such as areas of critical environmental
concern, desert wildlife management areas, and critical
habitat areas) where the limit is 100 feet from the route."
What is the reasoning?
I think its conservation - tortoise.org/conservation/neco.html The Ranger mentioned that desert tortoises had been spotted in the summer.
It costs the BLM nearly 1 billion dollars per year to maintain BLM lands in the USA. “Roads, bridges, and trails also reflected the largest share of BLM’s FY2016 deferred maintenance, with 76% of the $0.81 billion total. Two other categories of assets had relatively comparable portions, specifically 10% for buildings and 9% for other structures. The remaining 5% was for irrigation, dams, and other water structures.”
fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43997.pdf
Found more in-depth details of where the money is spent - www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/files/uploads/fy2018_bib_bh007.pdf
You'll note 290 million in recreational fees were collected:
Recreation Fee Program - The 2018 budget proposes
legislation to permanently authorize the Federal Lands
Recreation Enhancement Act. The FLREA authority is
currently scheduled to expire on September 30, 2018.
The nearly $290 million in annual revenues collected by
Interior from these recreation fees augment appropriated
funds and are an important source of support for land
management operations and improvements to recreation
facilities on public lands. The budget also proposes
appropriations language to extend authorization for
FLREA through September 30, 2019.
Also Recreational Management budget went down from 2017 to 2018 by 6.58 million.
Excuse me but what is a roatttt.
route
Please don't share info of sites😔
Where "our" land is no longer "our" land.
There shouldn’t be any government oversight or the BLM altogether.
Sounds like the government is keeping the enviromental groups happy.
Could you please list the level of carcinogenic compounds that you would be comfortable with?
t’s about time. All this increasing vehicular travel in BLM and wilderness land leads to erosion, destructive wheel rutting, lead and other petroleum based pollutants to soil, and so much more. Land managers, and environmental scientists have the studies to back all this up. By the way, everyone pays for these wilderness areas...including city dwellers in the Eastern parts of the USA. Your “freedoms” are destroying what we ALL pay to keep as wilderness-- not to create rv camp parks!
@@occipitalneuralgia2339 Baloney.
@@joycemarino9800 These diesels put produce probably half of what your car puts out. Campers are typically much more ecologically astute than the typical greenie.
@@Rvfootprints I am a professional geologist and have worked as an environmental consultant for over 25 years. My clients have included major oil companies, chemical and manufacturing facilities as well as military institutions to assist them in meeting the established criteria mandated by federal, state, and local regulatory agencies so i can assure you I am well versed in the MCLs of said agencies. You are indeed correct that most RVers are responsible stewards of the land however it is not the responsible ones that create the problem and cost the rest of us access to some areas. When I hear those remarks about the legitimate efforts to maintain our state standards I always wonder about what level of carcinogenic compound that they would be willing in inhale, adsorb or ingest. My list of clientele precludes me from making any claims of being a greenie. Happy trails and hopefully you will continue to avail yourself of all the natural wonders of this state
Oh Ranger guy has a full time job herding campers, and who's going to pay for that? Stayed tuned next year. How do you spell the end of freedom , R-e-s-t-r-i-c-t-e-d U-S-E
Laurence , correct! They did this in Florida and made very difficult for people to camp and ride ATV’s. Few warnings were given, just asked to leave. BLM in every state has appointed bureaucrats making these rules. As the government gets larger our freedoms become fewer. Thanks for the update Ray! For some of us you can sense the frustration in the comments.
Yeah, pretty much, free isn't free anymore, free living is wrongly defined these days in the U.S., like Eric from nomadic fanatic said in his static to nomadic video that freedom and independence in the U.S. is misunderstood. Which I pretty well agree with.
@@morganrussman As I agree the restrictions seem punitive, maybe we need to look at this differently. Freedom and "Free-for-all" is two completely different context. I have seen first hand "free land" (BLM or State) being used for wild parties and other nefarious activities. I think these new rules may be attributed to pressure from conservation groups as well as people not giving a damn and abusing the right thus creating a reactionary action by gov't. Yes it sucks but it would be nice to really know why?
Time to stay out of Cali
Please do!
@@joycemarino9800 silly girl..lol
And it's only going to get worse!
I wish people in CA would stay there and not mess up my state
Stop being jerks, we’re all Americans.
See my previous posts and videos on Ogilby Road BLM area:
www.loveyourrv.com/ogilby-cibola-blm-campsites-birds-birds-birds/
www.loveyourrv.com/boondocking-ogilby-road-blm-near-yuma-az/
Link to the BLM Georeferenced PDF Maps - www.blm.gov/maps/georeferenced-PDFs
Link to Eastern Imperial County BLM maps and rules - www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/documents/files/public-room-california-routes-of-travel-eastern-imperial-county-neco.pdf
Too many people. With all of the various You Tube channels out there sharing information, spots are getting crowded. There's also this movement by many to full time and live the "alternative" lifestyle.
TH-cam is now the preferred method of sharing as the bandwidth has developed but prior to that blogs and forums were a big thing so not a lot has changed there. Personally, I think the biggest influences on the number of people RVing is the large boomer population bulge hitting retirement age in droves, a good economy and relatively cheap fuel.
I started coming down here in 2012 and diesel was over 4 bucks and the economy wasn't great, many RV makers had gone out of business, so a lot fewer people around.
RVing goes in boom-bust cycles if the recent tanking stock prices of the top RV makers are any indication, a bust is on the way and a US recession is a good bet. Alternate lifestyle fads come and go, remember when all the hippies were going to live in communes. :) Soon many of the boomers will finish the RVing faze and due to health or boredom come off the road. Cheers, Ray
@@LoveYourRV Good points Ray. When the next bust occurs we may see more folks taking to things like van dwelling and such. There are already, even in good times, a lot folks who hit retirement with nothing in the bank and just a small income. I think that is something that will only continue to get worse. The information age just accelerates the sharing of information and therefore the amount of folks out there. People sitting at home wondering what they're going to do are influenced and given hope when they see these things. Before the web, it was word of mouth and books. Nothing wrong with all of this necessarily, but it's going to increase things like regulations and enforcement.
I've found the van/RV dwellers that do it for strictly financial reasons stick pretty close to cities, fuel price plus mechanical vehicle maintenance can be a big obstacle to overcome and they need many of the services a city can offer. Back in BC high housing costs in Vancouver, for instance, have pushed many people into RVs and vans but they don't leave the city limits much or very far.
It takes a certain personality to like to head out into the rural lands and set up camp for long periods, often by themselves or with just a few others around, most can't handle it, they need lots of people around to feel comfortable or they just get really bored. :). I think that's why these big gatherings/ralleys are popular so right now, but they come and go during the peak season and are often a destination trip. People travel to them and head back home again.
You're right about the quick spread of info these days and it can go both ways. I think already there are numerous voices telling folks it's not all that its cracked up to be living fulltime in a van. At least nowhere are glamorous as what you see with many #Vanlife promoters ;)
Hopefully, the government won't get heavy handed and come out with blanket regulations just because a few BLM areas suffer some abuse.
I’m not promoting anarchy, but if there are hundreds of RVs in traditional camping areas, the ranger will go crazy.
Don’t listen to that ranger. Some of them make up their own rules. They will need to tell you where you can find the documentation that states what he/she claims. Just continue what you’ve been doing.
Says on this map - "Camping is allowed up to 300 feet from designated routes of
travel, except in sensitive areas where the limit is 100 feet." www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/maps-avenza-california-eastern_imperial_county_route.pdf
He was placing official red warning papers on peoples RVs that didn't happen to be home.
Good grief Mike...this isn't the 60's anymore...move into the 90's man. But you go ahead, get righteously indignant with a BLM ranger. That will really change things. Be part of the problem, not the solution. Spend a night in jail...that will change your viewpoint to some degree...surely.
G Henrickson lmao! A we bit dramatic. Again, doesn’t mean the BLM isn’t making up their own rules, which they actually can’t do, even in California. Red sticker or not, doesn’t mean it’s enforceable.
California is very big on making up all kinds of rules for our forests, deserts, BLM land and much more. Things do have to be challenged.
Love Your RV - if you’re not a US citizen, I would follow any rule they tell you.
Mike Miller If you’re so tough then go challenge it in court. But I’m sure you know that will go nowhere. These “made up” rules have been on the books for a long time. They’re just finally enforcing them, because more and more people are taking their rigs really far off the roads, damaging the lands with trash, fires and even dumping oil and gasoline. Not to mention several recent incidents of people needing to be rescued after being caught in storms and cut off from the roads while their rigs were washed away.
Kalifornia takes all the fun away from their citizens.
There's more and more people RVing and/or living out of their RVs and more and more restrictions imposed on campers. Unfortunately, I think a lot of the tougher restrctions are as a result of stupid, lowlifes who just don't give a damn about their impact on the environment. For instance, here at the BLM near Lake Havasu, there are two obvious places where people have dumped their black tanks. The bits of toilet paper are obvious. I could go on, but I won't. People are just no damn good.
Now that last remark gave me a giggle...it's a refrain I heard often from my mother!
Goverment restrictions like usual control
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you are not allowed to camp "within" 300 ft of an established road, as you keep saying. the blm rule is that you cannot camp within 300 ft of a road. >300ft is what's allowed. this is not a new rule and it's not a california thing. it applies to all blm land, as does the 14 day limit; unless you are properly permitted on an ltva
The ranger was very specific in what he told me. He said I could only vehicle camp within 300 feet of an officially marked route not beyond that.
Sometimes there are specific rules for a BLM area. - here is the information PDF for Bureau of Land Management Routes of Travel for Eastern Imperial County, California - www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/documents/files/public-room-california-routes-of-travel-eastern-imperial-county-neco.pdf
Quote:
Vehicle camping is allowed within 300 feet of designated
routes of travel, except within sensitive areas (such as
areas of critical environmental concern, desert wildlife
management areas, and critical habitat areas), where the
limit is 100 feet from the route.
Maybe you are thinking of the water source rule :
Camping is prohibited within 300 feet of any developed water
source, including water guzzlers or watering troughs, to keep
water accessible to wildlife and livestock.
Hey.....! You cant camp on that dirt over there. WTF?
Thank you environmentalism.
Basically, in America cows have more rights than humans do when it comes to Public Lands.
Our California Libs have been trying to shut down public access to wilderness areas for years. Many times for false reasons. They believe humans have no business in the wilderness.
Sorry California to me is now written off as an option, won't spend another dime there, too crowded, too many laws, too many strange rules, beautiful State, just too many humans.
Too bad, it's a huge state with some gorgeous (not so crowded) places to visit, a lot depends on the time of year. Still worth it in my opinion even with it's negative aspects. Cheers, Ray
much easier to keep tabs on you. Welcome to California the police state.
lol, it's federal land idiot....thank your orange god.
Just one more reason, "For Me" to stay the hell out of California
I still think its worth it to come to California, Its an amazing state as far as natural beauty goes and I have met many great people and have made some awesome friends.