Brompton Rack Bags Showdown
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- Criteria to select a proper rack bag for your Brompton and an ultimate showdown between Brompton Rack Sack and Vincita Nash Rackbag.
Vincita Nash Rackbag [ vincita.cc/products/b181b-nas... ]
Vincita Nash on Amazon.com [ amzn.to/3lweWJS ]
00:00 Introduction
00:24 Pros and Cons Rack Bags
01:35 Evaluation Criteria: Mounting System
02:00 Storage
02:15 Durability
03:57 Ease of Use
04:17 Waterproofing
04:29 Brompton Rack Sack
07:04 Vincita Nash Rackbag
10:37 Final Score
We wish to thank Vincita for providing the Nash bag for our honest evaluation.
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I recently learned that the Brompton Rack Sack is designed so that it can remain partially attached to the partially folded bike! Simply unclip the strap at the back of the bag, then after the back wheel is folded under and the small loop at the front of the back is freed, rotate the Rack Sack around the seat post it is still Velcroed to and set it atop the main tube. In this configuration, the seat can be lowered as far as the top of the bag.
All killer, no filler. Excellent informative videos.
You're doing true biking Journalism, congrats and thanks for your Work!
Lovely detailed review thank you so much for the effort
Always waiting for your video. Thanks for new video have a nice day ya.
Thank you so much. Just learning that coil type zippers are the most resilient was worth the whole video and there was so much more here. I always assumed chunky plastic was the strongest but this makes sense!
Best Brompton cycling videos.
Thank you once again for sharing your personal experience in such a well-thought-out and informative way. Much appreciated as always
In my view, the clarity and information-imparting abilities of the animated graphics are superb. They transcend anything one would normally associate with amateur production, and by some distance; nothing less than award-winning quality.
The scripts are pretty damned good, as well. Not a word is wasted, but the tone is always light and friendly.
(Hmm.. there is a lot to be learned from these videos, and not *just* about cycle-touring on a folding bike.)
An award-winning comment!
Thank you for this video, very helpful indeed!
Great comparison.
Love your graphics
Keep Safe! Keep Riding!
We keep on riding (locally) !
Your videos are always thorough and full of facts and figures--thanks...I used the T-Bag with its 30-L capacity on several loop around the 150-mile circumference of Lake Balaton in Hungary. Its roll-top style, huge-capacity and strength of fabric made it the best choice on my front block.
Hi Stephen. The T-bag’s volume and toughness made it the default all-purpose Brompton bag for decades. Too bad it has been discontinued.
I have the Brompton Rack Sack. I got it for my first Brompton bike tour many years ago, and I agree it is admirably suited to that purpose, and I expect it will continue to join me on my Brompton tours. For most of my day-to-day Brompton rides, I do not use and do not want a rear rack bag mounted on the bike, as it slows down the folding and unfolding process dramatically, and it’s pretty rare that I take a non-tour trip that I need to carry more cargo than fits in the front bag.
Great informative videos 👍
👌very helpful! Thank you. Stay safe😊
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Thumbs up as usual
Thank you for your thorough review. I have used the Brompton Rack pack for many years, but one disadvantage I found was that my heels tended to clip the bag. I have also regularly used the bag on a Pashley Moulton by adding a small strap to the front to wrap round the seat post- not ideal but usable. Regards Stewart from Chester England.
We haven’t experienced heel strikes ourselves, but we can see it could be an issue. Creative thinking concerning the Moulton modification.
My hiking boot heels occasionally strike the rack wheels, but not the Racksack itself.
Good review. You might want to consider another option. When I recently got my Brompton, it came to me that the Ibera PakRak Mini Commuter rack on my mountain bike might fit on the Brompton's seat post. It fits perfectly and as the Amazon description notes, the rack is "Especially suited for folding bikes or small wheeled bikes." There is a big plus. Installing it gives access to Ibera's large family of quick-release bike bags. Since the rack can be mounted anywhere on the seat post, it can be installed above a bag on the Brompton rack for even greater carrying capacity, although the weight will affect handling.
I imagine that it’s possible to fold the bike and leave the Mini Pakrak in place. My concern would be leverage from the weight of the bag and contents high on the seat post and held away from it on its support arm. Clearly one couldn’t safely use its 10kg 9.5l spec to the maximum.
Depending on the usage scenario, the rack could be awkward to carry when removed (folded bike in one hand, rack/bag(s) in the other)
@@2Bikes4Adventure true!
I would love to see the set up of your bike seat rack.
I used the nash bag for a 3 day tour with my Brompton this Spring. We didn't have camping gear though. I used packing cubes for my clothes and items in the nash bag and that made it relatively easy to get to my stuff. I used it fully deployed. As I have an electric Brompton the choice of front bags is very limited, I opted for a bag from Valeria's bicycles from Barcelona as they are spacious, not sure how durable they would be on a long trip though.
Did you experience difficulties removing/installing the bag while both side pockets were deployed (and possibly full)?
@@2Bikes4Adventure not really, you just have to get the hang of it! I did practise a few times at home before leaving as I needed to take the train. You need to lie it on the rear end when off the bike .
I see you have Gianni's book, "Touring on a Folding Bike. " So have I. 🌞
Very nice man, Gianni, and his books are a good read. 😁
We thought it would be a nice “wink” to the Brompton Traveler.
Thanks for your thoughtful review. I have been interested in the Nash Rackbag for my Brompton, but: (1) black was of stock; (2) the off-pink color matches absolutely nothing; and (3) I have an expandable Jandd bag that I have used for years that fits on four bikes (touring, tandem, MTB, and Brompton) without needing a screwdriver or heavy mounting system. Your review of the Nash highlighted disadvantages that had not considered like the dark interior, lack of tie-downs, and center-opening. I like the pannier feature, but you clarified for me that when folded up, they are not useful as just side pockets. I think you saved me some money, and I'll stick with my long-time favorite Jandd.
Many conventional rear “trunk” bags fit perfectly well on a Brompton rack without having to pay the premium often associated with Brompton specific accessories. We just need to make sure the bag mounting mechanism (often some velcro straps) doesn’t interfere with the fender or rack side struts.
I really enjoy your videos. I find them comprehensive, extremely clear and well researched. The only thing missing is a mention of the bags weight. My quick research shows that the Brompton is 1.12 lbs. (.55 kg), the Nash bag is 3.1 lbs. (1.4 kg) and the Big Nash is 4.6 lbs. (2.1 kg). I'm not a weight weeny, but 2 or 3 lbs. (a kilo to 1.5 kilos) is something to be considered when packing for a ride and could possibly be a problem with the recommended 10 kilo limit on the Brompton rack. Perhaps it's the added weight of the attachment system on the Vincita bags. That's a lot of weight for the easy on and off. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Thank you and keep up the great work.
Indeed, we didn’t specify their respective weight, an omission we corrected when reviewing the Big Nash ( th-cam.com/video/xdFf2pW1qXI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=QspqhhIlPvGIsEo3).
Considering the 10 Kg limit (front and back), we should be aware how much the empty bags weigh (the popular Borough Large Roll-Top is 1.6Kg btw). You are right in identifying the UniKlip adaptor is the main reason for the Nash’s higher weight. Ultimately, it’s a compromise between ease-of-use and weight.
Absolutely brilliant video! I've been on tons of forums trying to decide whether to get a rear rack. People keep saying not to because you have to remove the bag to fold. One person mentioned having a Nash bag, but even then nobody mentioned the quick release functionality of it! This is a game changer. It's as easy to install and remove as a front bag, and having the fold down panniers is just brilliant. Will definitely look into getting one of these (once I actually get a Brompton 😅). Side question - what seat do you have on your bike? I'm renting a Brompton at the moment and once I buy one this seat has to go lol
A larger version of the Nash bag was introduced a few months ago ( th-cam.com/video/xdFf2pW1qXI/w-d-xo.html ).
As for our saddles, Gilbert is using a generic Brompton saddle while Pam replaced hers with a SpongyWonder ( th-cam.com/video/Kt5LyiivTZA/w-d-xo.html ).
Nice review again, I've been considering the Vincita, but out of stock.
Everything related to bicycles seem to be on short supply these days.
Noel, it seems Vincita's web site has some in stock (ref link in description above)
@@2Bikes4Adventure Trying to order from our local dealer here. He said around end of this month. I ask him, start of this month. Just trying to avoid the additional shipping cost too. Thanks.
First, I would say that you CAN use the side pockets on the Vincita when the extra parts aren't extended. It's not a lot of space but there's certainly some.
I really want to know what you guys tour with. Also would have liked at least one more iron in this video, unless you think there aren't any that add competitive features.
Many “regular” rear bags would potentially fit on the Brompton rack, but few specifically advertise themselves as “Brompton compatible” (which is the case of the two in our video).
One generic bag that is known to work well on Brompton is the Arkel Pelican/TailRider
As for our setup when touring, you can find more info at the end of this video: th-cam.com/video/FRx226rhofQ/w-d-xo.html
PS Yes, the Nash bag side pockets can be used when folded-up, but not much more than a wallet or a mobile phone (not sure I would want to put wallet or phone there while cycling however)
Just bought the nash bag and the long seat stem bag 👍
We are very pleased with the Nash bag (we haven’t tried the long seat stem bag yet).
3:27 Great Book choice 👍 😉
And you should see the movie !
@@2Bikes4Adventure Agree very much about Gianni's travalogue filming skills. On his trip through the Dolomite mountains he made shots that left me drop-jawed... each stunning composition only to be out-done by the NEXT shot he made. Having watched through once on my tablet, I immediately set it up again on the big-screen TV so that my wife and I could watch together. She was similarly blown away! "What a lovely man. What SUPER filming."
I think the magnificence of the scenery helped, but Gianni made the best of it.
th-cam.com/video/oPWVycjVBL8/w-d-xo.html
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A few years ago purchased a 10€ (10 $) bicycle bag from Aldi. Hangs on the side of the rack and fits perfect on the Brompton . Looks like a little cloth suitcase with a harder lining and lifts off the rack easily with its handle.
That’s the beauty of Aldi. Great find, but good luck finding the same thing a few weeks (let alone years) later.
@@2Bikes4Adventure indeed . Its a pity it does not come back ( maybe one day?)
How do these compare to the Ortlieb rack solutions? They have a few waterproof bags that seem interesting and also have adjustable latching systems...
Hi Ioana. We have very good experience with our previous Ortlieb panniers. We would trust the Ortlieb 12 Litre Trunk Bag would be as reliable (although we didn’t have the chance to try it) Mark Harrison commented below it does fit on a Brompton rack. If you can have one at a good price, go for it.
I have lately got a notice from the firm, Vincita, that thay have made a similar bag for the luggage carrier, but with the two sides to fold down on each side, for more space. And those two moved back, not to be hit by heels while riding! Finn. Denmark
@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188, Vincita does indeed has a new "Big Nash Rack Bag" that offers more space than the original model.
I just found out that the Nash bag is not as “universal” as it claims to be; the locking handles can’t fully lock on to my pannier rack. Sadly that was the only thing that I wanted over the standard brompton bag
Brooks Saddle plus Carradice saddlebag every time.
The Nash Bag is a nice choice.
Although not covered in this clip, I wish to draw attention to the Big Nash bag as regards rack accommodation.
And by extension the regular Nash Bag.
The Brompton P Line uses a rack specific to that model bike. That rack appears to be much shorter than the rack featured on the bike you’re using in this clip, a C Line perhaps.
I just discovered that P Line rack will not accommodate the Big Nash Back. The bag can not be mounted far enough aft on the rack to avoid the rider’s heels striking it. And although I’m not certain, this issue may also be the case for the regular Nash Bag on the same rack.
This is entirely due to the dimensions of the rack and the manner in which it is attached to the Brompton frame.
I thought this word of caution important in the event your viewers riding P Lines intend on purchasing these bags.
Again…..I’m not certain the smaller Nash will be an issue but I suspect it will.
From my further investigation, it appears that one of the few and perhaps the only choice available for the P Line rack is Brompton’s Borough Roller Bag. I would welcome all comments on this issue.
And by the way, your clips are very well done and very informative! Thank you.
@laurielyon7740, thanks for your warning concerning the Big Nash vs heel strike on the P-line rack. Note the smaller/regular Nash bag seems to avoid this issue according to customer JongHo S. (22/09/22) as commented on the Vincita web site.
Thank you for highlighting this. I have a P line electric and was going to go for the vincita until I read your comment.
Another option is the Ortlieb 12l roll closure trunk bag. A little more expensive but well worth it, in my opinion anyway.
Hi Mark. Ortlieb wrote the book on reliable/waterproof bicycle bags. Through the years, we had very good experience with our O-Bag and Front Rollers (on Birdy). Does the Trunk-bag’s Top-lock adapter fit well on a standard Brompton rack?
@@2Bikes4Adventure Hi, I had bought it for my Birdy. I didn't want to comment until I tested it on my Brompton rack as it is so different; and I finally got around to it today.
It works fine on the Brompton rear rack. When clipped on I can pick up the bike up off the ground. It clips on and off in seconds.
Hope you find that helpful.
Good shout! The Vincita doesn’t fully lock on my regular bike rack so I needed to look into other alternatives. I’ll give that a go!
I don't understand why vincita didn't make the interior of the rear bag orange, blue, etc as they did for the front bags. They clearly have the fabrics... 🤷♀️
Just a point about the matching front bag, the interior has a good laptop compartment. If you're touring without a laptop or grocery shopping maybe this isn't the optimal layout. Vincita makes nice, pretty bags.
The hole on the pack rack pocket is to allow water to drain when it rains
@stephenlargue6289, having the choice, we would select a rain cover than a pocket with hole. This pocket was removed in the latest version if we are not mistaking.
Isn't the hole in the Brompton bag pocket to stop it filling with water?
Possibly. A smaller eyelet would minimize the risk of losing small items.
There is a New Vincita bag out there big nash rack bag 20 litres
@Pickelhaube, we had the chance to review one as well in this video:
Vincita Big Nash Rack Bag
th-cam.com/video/xdFf2pW1qXI/w-d-xo.html
Weight would be good to add in the comparison.
Good point. The Brompton Rack Bag is about 500 gr while the Vincita is 1.5 Kg (rain cover included). You can reduce it to 1.3 Kg by removing the interior padded liner (this will increase available storage as well).
@@2Bikes4Adventure Happy trails/tracks 🤙
Both of those bags are just silly. I use a 31L ortlieb rack sack mounted sideways on the rack with 2 bungies. It fits my entire campsite ( tent bag chair pad stove ) plus the travel dimpa and Carradice cover bag.
The hole in the pocket of the rack bag is to let water escape
Are there bigger bags than that ? Preferably a small carry-on suitcase sized.
This is so that I could just travel from the airports with the suitcase latched on the back. That would be the dream ! I frequent short visits to various places - I take the Brompton along, however, need to carry a travel backpack with my clothes. Its getting harder to look classy and justify myself anymore since lately Ive been traveling with colleagues and superiors. While it was cool and upbeat at first, its doesn't give me the satisfaction of a business visit, I look like Im still a college student ;P Plus, Ive been having back issues from work, which get amplified.
Thanks for the quality content. Cheers !
For something larger (20+ litres), the easiest would be to use the front carrier block instead. Brompton as well as 3rd party like Vincita, Carradice and Wotancraft offer a wide variety of options.
Alternatively, you could just buy a front frame and attach a regular carry-on luggage to it.
As for the rear rack, ideally, we would need something like the Ortlieb Travel Rack Top bag (www.rei.com/rei-garage/product/189061/ortlieb-travel-biker-pannier-single) that could fit on a Brompton (that Ortlieb model didn’t).
Finally, a DIY option could be to purchase a UniKlip from KlickFix and attach it to an existing carry-on luggage