As a trans man I was terrified when they came back to the hospital and very glad when it did not turn out to be what I feared. What I don't understand is why no one fucking told him "you can't have surgery until you're definitely done growing, because if you do, you might just keep growing and need a second surgery later." He's 13, not 3, and no one even tried to reason with him other than "what if it's a phase."
@@PirateOfTheNorthokay kinda curious about this one because I wasn't told that. Did they say why? T doesn't really affect chest size at all (unless you work hard to build muscle there) so I'm wondering if there's a reason they gave you. To be clear, I'm not saying there's no reason just because I wasn't told that, the wait on the public healthcare is already more than a year so they may have just skipped it because I made it clear I wouldn't be going private.
I’ve had gender identity issues for over 10 years. This is something so complicated it’s beyond doctors and parents beliefs. Every situation is different and unfortunately there have been cases where people have de transitioned years later but it’s extremely rare. But I will say at 13 I couldn’t decide between a pink or blue shirt so deciding to have a surgery is a huge deal for a child.
Not to mention a mastectomy at that age could easily require more surgeries later on to fix potential complications since the body is still developing breasts and growing to fill out body wise. Adding in testosterone should at least get you results without a permanent impact should you change your mind later.
Most insurances won't cover a cosmetic surgery (and I think this would likely be considered one) until the patient is older. I was able to get a breast reduction at 16, but there were plenty of qualifications to qualify - medical necessity (I was already having back and neck problems), a specific amount reduced, and I had to have seemingly stopped growing. At 13, I'd probably think hormone therapy and puberty blockers, then revisit surgery talk at 16 or 18.
@@megangregorich9399 No, it's not. There aren't that many doctors who do trans surgeries in the first place and no one is doing surgery on 13 year olds. 16 with parents permission - yes, but then cis girls get boob jobs then too and no one questions them about it. But a 13 year old is not able to get surgery. That's just a lie.
Maybe it was mentioned in the broader sense in the episode, but in this clip at no point is it mentioned that top surgery isn't considered at 13. Hormones, more likely, but it requires a lot of therapy to get to that point. In Canada (where the show takes place iirc) I'm pretty sure the minimum age is 16 with parental consent, and that is ONLY for top surgery.
from where im from there is no legal age at least as is purpose is to remove cancer affected parts otherwise even talking about mutilating a child would get them arrested.
@@pedromigueldinisRemoving cancer parts is an entirely different thing than top surgery, but top surgery for trans people isn't mutilation. It's a life-improving (arguably saving) surgery in it's own right.
right! i've literally never heard of anyone getting top surgery at that age, in ANY country... a lot of trans kids don't even have anything to remove at that age, so what would be the point...? also i thought it was funny that they cast someone who had very obviously been on T for a while as a character who hadn't even gone on T yet
That's a lovely statement but It's not right to lie to people No matter how much you care about someone, it's never appropriate to li'm. Pretty sure it's something that is well obviously lying to them If young people have I've gendered this for ya they have a pretty high chance of overcoming it Providing that you get the right treatment
As a trans man who is almost 18, they do not propose the idea of hormone blockers, HRT, or surgery until the patient is much older, often at minimum 18. It also required countless therapy appointments and invasive questionings. This is not a spontaneous decision. Struggling with dysphoria is beyond painful, but they wouldn’t allow a surgery so soon. Edit: STOP FUCKING ARGUING UNDER MY COMMENT I WAS JUST POSTING SOMETHING TO HELP JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A DEBATE JUST DISLIKE MY COMMENT AND MOVE ON
He’s not fully developed at 13 so I agree. Rarely do they perform top surgery so young anyway and I also know the process and in the United States it takes time and I’m pretty sure no doctor would perform that procedure on a 13 year old child so young, even with parental consent. They usually use HRT on people under 18 because the HRT usually has the ability to be reversed. Also, if this kid attempted to end his life, no doctor In their right mind would even consider performing this top surgery or HrT on a mentally unstable patient, regardless the age. It’s possibly he could change his mind. Gender dysphoria can happen because of trauma also. Teenagers are still developing mentally, emotionally and physically.
@@HipBeeWitch Accepting who I am is projection? What do you have to look forward to then? A life of lies and no meaning? Just hoping someone will call you by the right pronoun?
As a trans person, medically transitioning at 13 is WAY too soon. It's dangerous, your body is still developing, and it can cause significant, long-term damage. Binding, if done correctly, is fine, but until you hit 18, surgery is a no-go. It's not because "oh you might change your mind", it's because "your body is literally still developing and this could hurt you". HRT is a safer way to transition while in puberty, and it may even prevent certain things from developing, or cause certain things to develop. The doctor was right about taking breaks from binding, as well. You're only supposed to bind for a max of 8 hours straight, and should take frequent breaks, and "binder break" days where you don't wear them at all. I know it sucks, trust me, but once you hit 18 you can do anything you want.
@@runsoncaffeine They might change their minds about wanting surgery, sure, but being Trans isn't something you can change. He may hit 18 and be happy with binding, or HRT could work and he won't develop "female features". Usually tho the extra waiting time just makes you more sure you wanna do it (I speak from experience)
@@SamSparks95 not true there is a about a 1%-10% rate of those that regret transitioning and then the rate for those that detransition is not rly known but it 100% happens and i have personally known 1 that did detransitioning after he found out he just hated his body and that he was not trans. (point is that just agreeing with a kid saying that they are trans without doing a actual mental evaluation from a person that dont have a agenda is vital to make sure its rly what is best for the person and never ever is putting a kid on any kind of HRT or any other drugs to that effect a good idea there is way to little study done on what that does to a kids body and its long lasting negative effects)
@@The_viking_NinjaSo you're saying that an adolescent/adult is only trans when a doctor or therapist says they are. I'm a transwoman and I've know that since I was in preschool just back then the word transgender wasn't a thing.. I'm 33 now. You have this "theory" all wrong because before you can have ANY HRT or gender conformation surgery you have to go through rigorous therapy sessions to make sure you're stable enough physically/mentally to deal with the effects and changes your body will go through. It has absolutely nothing to do with proving if someone is transgender or not, it's to make sure you're 100% prepared and stable enough to handle what comes after... Because believe me gender conformation surgery isn't cheap and it's not a walk in the park its extremely excruciating.. These people you're talking about who "detransitioned" are the ones who either lie and try and manipulate the people who serve the trans community be that therapists or doctor's to help make choices their not ready for or they never were transgender to begin with! That's called being mentally unstable and just so you know cross dressers and transgenders are two way completely different things. So don't get those confused.
I couldn't agree with you more! ❤ The journey we have to go through to be our authentic selves is a long one, just because I think that children shouldn't be having any type of gender conforming surgeries doesn't mean I believe that they are any less trans than we are. People looking from the outside in have no comprehension of what being transgender is.
Bruh why everyone laughing. 🙄 if a parent can except their child for who they are and respect there pronouns and how he wants to dress and wear his hair, is a miracle and blessing cause it’s helping the person. It actually made me smile. 😊. I had gender dysphoria growing up in my teens and it was the 1990’s and my parents where old school. They where born in the 40’s so times where different then and their “beliefs” are different. They don’t “approve” of my “life style”. I use quotations cause these are their references to these things. Not only do they not approve but they definitely lack basic knowledge even to this day.
Alot of people are hating on the mum saying that she doesn’t want him to be female but thats not true she just doesn’t want him to have surgery until he is 18 which is reasonable to me
I understand your perspective, but for many trans people top surgery can be livesaving. So it's better to get it done as soon as possible with proper mental evaluations to confirm that it's the best choice of action.
@lukethedaydreamer I'm all about supporting trans people, but surgery should not be done on minors no matter what. A lot of people mistakingly think they are trans, but by then, you can't go back. Even if you only take hormones those still have effects on your body. Do you really think it's a wise decision to let someone this immature make that kind of choice? No. Absolutely not. It's better to wait.
@@clouds9914 that's not true. 2% of trans people detransition. I get how you see it, but for us it can be a matter of life and death. We go through years of mental health assessments to make sure we actually need it
@@lukethedaydreamer mental evaluations are not absolute. Psychologists don't even fully understand depression let alone what it's like to be trans. I understand it's hard but it's really not healthy for someone that young to make a decision that life altering. You can't go back. At that age they don't fully understand what kind of decision they are making, like from a factual standpoint, they don't. Someone that doesn't have the capacity to fully understand the consequences that will bring shouldn't have a say on such matters. I'm fine with hormone blockers, but as far as surgery? No. If a child can make a decision like that, what can't they make a decision on?
For the record, puberty blockers have been prescribed for precocious (early) puberty in cisgender (non-trans) children for decades. We know the long-term effects, we know they're reversible. Let your children have the time to work things out if they need it.
As a trans person, it really is not a safe idea to provide HRT to a child going through puberty. The safer alternative doctors provide is hormone blockers, and they’re stopped when the child hits late teen years when they can receive parental consent for HRT and surgery. But that also requires months or even years of therapy and a lot of times a gender dysphoria diagnosis. Getting him into therapy is the right call. His transition would be safer and smoother after a diagnosis.
@@pedromigueldinis And marriages between children and adults are legal in some countries. Just because something is illegal somewhere doesn't mean it is what is best and vice versa. The medical literature is in consensus that allowing a trans person to transition is the correct course of action
@@rosenwadwell6007 We’re not saying that he shouldn’t be allowed to transition. We’re saying he should be allowed to transition safely. He obviously has bad dysphoria, but he needs to make sure he’s going to professionals to give him the care he needs since he can afford it. It would be a different story if he couldn’t afford it, but even then, he would’ve had to look hard for reliable sources for HRT that don’t overdose them. Testosterone comes with risks that can destroy your cardiovascular system if you’re not careful.
@@MercenaryPine9 I’m perfectly fine with minors not getting top surgery because that’s how it works irl. The main thing is the tissue will just keep growing back. I was more commenting on the person on this comment who thinks that their country’s laws are the deciding factor on what’s right and wrong
Jessus loves you all ❤ once you get to know Him truely all these things fade away. He revealed to me that the reason this happens is because these ppl dont have an identity rooted in Christ. True freedom. I've found it. ❤
I remember emotions at that age. God they were so strong, like if I didn’t get to do this or that then it was the end of the world. Being so sure of a decision no matter the possible consequences but not caring. A permanent decision at this age really is something to take time to decide.
I think, sometimes, people are born into the wrong bodies. This is a controversial issue, at what age should a trans person go for surgery. A good idea to refer Danny to a specialized clinic for a treatment plan.
Actually you're right about that cause scientists find that there is a girl brain and a boy brain along with different mix of chemicals in the womb but the brain doesn't match the chromosomes aka your sex assigned at birth.
I'm not exactly Trans but I was born Hermaphrodite so I'm very protective over Trans people. I love when people respect a persons gender. The mom calling him her son just ugh right through the heart. We need more people like that. My dad hid the fact i wasn a hermy and just raise me as a gender he chose. Also I really think trans people should just introduce themselves as their gender than are transitioning too, the only people who should know your assigned gender is parents, doctors, and lover(s).
Being a hermaphrodite is night and day different than most of today's transgenders. You have a real medical condition, whereas the majority of transgender cases are people either looking for attention, are confused, or have had these ideas planted in their heads from bad parents, negligent doctors, or they're looking for attention.
Completely agree. But things are going way too far, having schools decides a person gender without a parents consent. The bullying and harrasment and threat's to people who choose to not believe in their beliefs, children making life longing decision etc. Things are going bad
If you care about your kids physically health you should care about their mental health. Words can kill, I almost became a victim to it, and it took me almost dying for my dad to open his eyes to how much it hurts me to be mis-gendered, and dismissed as a phase.
The mom and doctor are right for the obvious reasons. He should not be getting that kind of surgery at only 13. I don't believe that the mom saying it could be a phase was meant in a negative way. His body, brain, hormones, emotions- everything about him is still growing and developing. That kind of surgery is not irreversible, so imagine if he didn't want to be a boy by the time he hits 18, what then? He may be saying he knows what he wants now, but he can't predict 4-5 years into the future. I'm glad to see a loving and supportive mother though.
"Loving and supportive" Lol she drove her child into a depressive spiral and caused him to OD. She should have her kid taken away if this was a real world thing. The idea that detransitioning later is somehow a bad thing is also very wild to say, honestly. It's up to the person. If they want to have a 'phase' from 13-18 then that's perfectly fine, to say otherwise is just simple-minded transphobia.
@@strangerinastrangeland3613she did nothing wrong. she was worried, and she didn’t let him get an irreversible surgery. SHE did not do that to him, he/his body did. he’s a teen with the hormones of a girl ofc he’s going to be emotional and depressed bc of his body(meaning being trans not just bc a girl body)
Yeah, treating a still developing body with hormones for transition and the long term effects of it aren't really known. Its not that the doctor doesn't want to do it, its more that if there isn't data on what happens in this situation then the kid might have serious health complications when they are older. Doctors are supposed to do no harm but also respect a patient's wishes, its hard to find the balance. Personally, I think its not a wise idea to mess with your bodies hormones while you're still growing because we have so little data on it.
Well we have data on things like puberty blockers because they were originally meant for kids going through premature puberty, what happens when people don't naturally produce their puberty hormones, and we know the long-term effects of hormones on adults. There's some grey area that is still to be understood, but we know what goes in and goes out when hormones are applied/not applied to human bodies. At least, to me, it doesn't seem to be a big enough of a grey area to deny thousands of people the treatment that we actually do know improves their lives.
I mean puberty is precisely a hormonal change so for many trans people (especially trans masc) it’s rlly important to get hormone blockers at that stage of development because it’s rlly hard to reverse certain hormonal changes as an adult. There’s medical literature on the subject it’s just kinda niche and hard to find.
All of what you said are reasons that prove that so-called gender transition is a made up and harmful thing. If a person n is meant to be a different gender/sex, it wouldn't be harmful to make them that.
Also: He was freaking out about having to not train for a month, when recovering from a mastectomy is that long for a full grown adult... being 13 I could only see that time go up so...
I don't know if I agree, based on how quickly younger people heal. I'm not saying it's a good idea to do a non-medically urgent double mastectomy on a 13-year-old, I'm just not sure that it would take longer for him to heal than it would for an adult.
If I can’t have a tattoo with 13 then I shouldn’t be able to have a transitional surgery. Permanent changes on the body should only ever be decided at 18
I'm not transgender, so my opinion doesn't really hold much weight as I don't experience their struggles with gender/body dysphoria, however I do agree that surgery shouldn't be allowed until they are 18; it's not because of the thought that it is a "phase", but more so of the heightened risks attributed to major surgery on someone that young. Support them however possible in other ways, but don't hold them back once they are legally an adult. Also, I know it is just a show, but to say that your mother doesn't really love you if she won't sign off on a life-altering surgery for someone who is still just a middle schooler? I dunno man, she is actively doing her best. She doesn't write him off, she uses his preferred pronouns, and is doing her best to keep an opened mind. Just take a look at the end, she agrees to even let him see what this clinic has to offer, all she has is his health in mind.
I’m also on a similar boat. I think it’s a good thing to want to be yourself, but life altering changes like this would risk them not being able to go back if they end up finding out they didn’t want that. Your life before adulthood should be figuring this out before fully committing to what you set yourself out to be, it’s the most exciting part about it, and I think the mom is def someone I empathise with considering she’s worried it might not be what he wants in the end.
surgeries are dont until 18 unless its life saving, top surgery can be done under 18 if its deemed medically necessary after many evaluations by many doctors, one doctor cannot decide it, regret rate for top surgery in trans men is one of hte lowest regret rates in ANY medical producres, lower than tattoos, knee replacements and every other surgery
So, it's a hard issue. Coming from a Bisexual male who is 100% supportive of anyone and everyone who wants to transition, I do think perhaps full-on corrective surgery at the age of 13 might be jumping the gun....slightly. I say that only because I had friends I watched change their minds as they grew - they learned and discovered new things about themselves. I do think at this age it's hard to know exactly who or what you are. You should be allowed to explore all things, but to drastically change your body, it's a bit early to make the call. I think we need to try and make kids like this feel comfortable and accepted in their body while it develops and changes, and if they grow up to want the changes, make them totally accessible. Teach them that having breasts doesn't make you any less of the person you want to be.
I would also say age 18 is the proper age to have surgery and the decision because if you are 13 and still under parents roof u can’t really do much till 18
It's not the case for all trans people. Top surgery can be lifesaving and should be done as soon as consent is given and the patient is evaluated by a mental health professional if it means saving the kid's life
Trans woman here- Surgery would NEVER be considered this young, as far as I know 17 is the youngest any gender-affirming surgery has _ever_ been performed, and that was an extreme edge case. Blockers definitely, hormones maybe, but not surgery.
top surgery can be done under 18 if deemed medical necessary for the child but requires multiple consultations, multiple evaluations, multiple doctors and parental consent
@@ob2kenobi388 and for trans youth but it can take multiple years for doctors to think its necessary however and is very uncommon, it varies across country as well as i know where i live its never done under 18
I cannot imagine what this poor boy is going through. I wholeheartedly support anybody’s decision to transition at any age. However, when I was 13 I was a completely different person from who I am now. I’m not saying parents are right all the time by saying you will change but you may want to change yourself as time goes on. This doesn’t apply to everything of course. As for myself, I don’t recognize the person I was a 13. I can’t imagine how scary it is to wait though. It’s a really tough position to be in. I’m so sorry for everybody who going through it. Bodies can be one of the most frustrating things in the universe.
I think he should talk with other trans men, he may be too young to have surgeries since he is still growing but his mom clearly thinks that the reason to not do it is that it's a phase, talking to more trans people could have given him more logical reasons without him thinking they are saying it because they don't believe him
I agree that he should have spoken to other trans men to get helpful advise on the situation, even the parents should also talk to trans men to get their advice on how to go through with it just so they have the information and advice on what to do as it's always good to get advice and second hand experience on what transgender men went through before and after surgery instead of jumping into it especially if the child is still young
I'm on the doctor's side only for the medical aspect. At 13, your body's still changing, be it hormonally or straight up anatomically... waiting might be the best idea. By all means pronoun away, but... idk I'd be terrified of messing something up anatomically if I were in his shoes.
Unless it's to save the child's life but yeah a transgender child should definitely wait till they are at least 18+ or 21+ just to be safe and if they do get it done at that age then they need to have a professional to help them through the procedure before and after especially during the recovery period as they will definitely be recovering from the pain as their body starts to heal after getting top surgery that they will need to take extended time off work or school so that they aren't putting strain on their upper body after getting top surgery, it could be the same for all kinds of surgeries that aren't ones for trans people that an individual who recieves any form of surgery should take things very easy and to make sure they have someone to look after them as they recover
There's a good book called I am Jazz, about a transgender teen who did have HRT and surgery as a minor, but of course had the full support of her parents. This actor will go on to a great career having this role on their resume! Its well-acted and convincing.
Jazz became depressed and is now severely overweight. Nice to know that you’re only willing to say the positives and not the negatives of becoming a trans.
It's not just Jazz that has become depressed, many people tend to not understand in fullness what changing will do. A man's world is very different to how the other biological sex thinks and vice versa
@@seria3692 Based on what study? She became depressed not because of transitioning because transitioning reduces depression and mental heatlh rates by around 60-70% proven by countless studies some being 50 years in length so i want ur sources transitioning causes depression and the "mans world view is different to a females"
what the doctors should’ve done in the situation yes be upfront and honest about what surgery does someone in general and what hormones can do to someone’s body instead of just flat out saying no, because if you flat out, say no to a child without any logical, explanation or scientifical explanation, that can be backed up by proof, they are going to do it anyway, and at least if you show logical and scientifical proof, and they still do it, you can’t be blamed for it, and I’m not saying, I’m blaming the doctors, I’m saying, most people will look at you and say it’s not your fault because you scientifically and logically explain this to this kid, and they still did it anyway, versus a parent who just wants to say no, and not give any other exclamation, like you tell a five-year-old don’t touch the hot oven, but you don’t say it’s gonna burn them, some people will say that’s child neglect, because he didn’t explain to the child that didn’t know any better that the hot oven will physically harm them.
I am a agender individual myself. Transitioning means different things for so many people, along with what triggers their gender disphoria. Some need top surgery, some don't. Some need bottom surgery, some don't. Everyone is different. Even as a supporter though, I feel waiting til 18 is necessary. Not because someone might change their mind. But because people can't get breast reduction surgery until the breasts have stopped growing. It's a safety measure for everyone, even cis woman who do like their breasts, they just need or want them smaller. So well I understand a minors frustration at not being understood or believed, Id tell them waiting isn't about denying them who they are. It's for their wellbeing til their body is ready to handle that type of surgery.
Look. I think waiting until 18 is a good decision. It gives you time to know, really know what you want. 13 years old is too young to make such life altering decision.
@@khushiraizada262sadly a lot of parents are like that and it's usually the parents who have issues with the LGBTQA+ community as they don't want to discuss it due to the community the parents are living in, I just wish parents could be supportive to their child as that's what a parent's job is supposed to do, if they can't be bothered to support their child then they shouldn't have had sex, that's what every male and female should think about before deciding if they wanna start a family, as in, would they support the child no matter what or will they not support the child, if they wanna support the child then by all means start a family but if they don't wanna support the child then don't get pregnant, it's as simple as that
Bro got the code wrong. Code pink means a newborn/infant has been abducted. He should’ve called code blue or code white. Code blue is a cardiac arrest in adults, meaning anyone who has gone through or is going through puberty. Or code white, which is pediatric cardiac arrest, anyone who has not yet gone through puberty.
@@ST-du4rs his heart rate was 110. They would not call it for that and a heart would not stop because the heart rate is 110. Yes it’s tachycardic but mildly and only because his temperature is up which his body would be trying to fight by compensating with an increased hr to have increased o2 delivery around the body to ensure all the organs are well oxygenated especially ones that may be poorly perfused due to the underlying issue.
@@BaziwizZy I know why the hr may increase, but then why would they be freaking out if his hr was 110? I’m not an expert, I’m going off of what I learned in med last school year. I’m not trying to make it sound like I know everything, the initial comment was just pointing how he got the code wrong, and now you want to come in and be the expert. I should’ve put in the comment that I’m not an expert. Like I said, I was just pointing out how he got the code wrong.
@@ST-du4rs they’re freaking out because of his low GCS so basically the fact he’s unresponsive and the fact it’s a show. But the fact is they didn’t need to call for any colours cause he’s not in arrest. Just get him in resus and treat him.
I cannot pretend to understand what trans kids go through. However, as much as I think that transition should be explored with the proper experts, I would never condone surgery on a minor. Too many have said that they wanted to de-transition after the fact because they made the decision too young.
The problem is we are giving kids too much freedom to choose what they want and make huge decisions about their lives , we keep forgetting that they are not fully developed yet so there is a huge risk they are making bad decisions. We need to take action and stop being weak ,they might get mad at us now but they will thank us in the future.
imagine what would happen if when that child that changes sex gets to be an adult and regrets his past actions a lot, the only ones to blame would be the parents because children are entitled to no responsability over their acts, a children cannot vote but can change its sex? that is just idiotic, if they are not thrusted even to vote for corrupted politicians why are they thrusted over their bodies that are a lot more important than politics?
but if they dont let us have a lot of freedom, are we ready for the world? making mistakes is *literally* what makes you human .. even if theyre not mistakes in our eyes. /gen
13 is not too young to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and be assessed for gender affirming healthcare. Nobody is "mutilating" children. Had I known about it at his age, I would want the same
I knew well before puberty, but it wasn't an option when I was a kid. But I barely made it to adulthood to get things taken care of. Trans kids need support.
Parents wanting their kid to wait to make permanent, irreversible changes to their body is not them "not supporting" their kid, it's protecting them. Even if they allow Danny to transition socially and are fine with him being a him they (and most sane adults) realise that kids don't know what they don't know, and are doing their duty as a parent to protect their kid from possible harm. Even if he ends up wanting to continue transitioning at 18, they are still doing the right thing, and are practicing "harm mitigation". Pushing kids barely in their teens to get surgical and hormonal interference that quickly are asking for trouble. If you go by the kid's voice they ARE allowing him to go on hormones (which is pretty irreversible, especially when it comes to bone growth and vocal changes) it actually doesn't make sense for them to forbid "physical transitioning" as they've undermined half their argument, because testosterone DOES cause physical changes... It's pretty unfortunate that much of the world at the moment thinks siding with trans kids means speeding them thru every medical caution to bypass transient comfort, forgetting that puberty is uncomfortable for EVERYONE, not just trans folks! The fact of the matter is that teens DO NOT know better than adults. It's incredibly emotionally manipulative to say "you don't care for me if you don't let me have surgery"
2:55 Yes, surgery is a big commitment…& PERMANENT. Once you have either top or bottom surgery (or both), there’s no going back. And letting your body go through the puberty it was biologically born with is necessary in order for any surgery to have a greater chance of success as there are risks for having it while your body is still physically growing & developing. Puberty blockers are NOT reversible as many people claim. They cause adolescents to develop micro genitalia due to the fact that their bodies didn’t develop properly due to the blockers & once the window of puberty development of your teenhood is gone, you can’t get it back. And as strongly as Danny may feel about this now, he does NOT have the capacity of making this decision at 13 - NO minor does. Trans or not, none of us know exactly who we are at 13, this is only around the time we actually start to think about this. Danny may think 5 years is an eternity, but that just proves how much more growing up he has to do if he can’t think about how he can have 60 to 80 more years to live exactly how he wants come adulthood. Seriously, I HATE how this ep treats Danny as if he's a victim when his own mother is nothing but supportive while being rightly hesitant about permanent medical & surgical decisions & his doctor isn't being more brutally honest about the long term consequences of transitioning 😤
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay for conditioning people into thinking this type of behavior is normal for kids and that a child with an undeveloped brain who still has very poor decision making skills should be able to make such a permanent decision regarding their health and safety.
I work in a medical setting and I will say that gender identity disorder is a real thing. Many people know it to be a mental disease that has yet to be explored and mind you the level of understanding that we have when it comes to the brain is quite low though we’ve learned a lot up to current date. When looking at this biologically, the patient is a female, 13, and displays signs of being gender dysphoric. What is best for the child, in my opinion would to be referred to the patient to a psychiatrist up to the age of 18 where they can make their own decision. The point of the referral would be to make sure they understand what is the reality. Prior to having the changes, they should be given a FULL explanation of what they’re asking for along with the risks of the procedure. When it comes to the verbalizing, that’s something that you can’t force someone into doing, imo. Medically, they’d still have to be treated as their biological sex because that’s just how we are hardwired. None of what I just said is professional advice or discrimination of any sort. Please don’t destroy the reply box on this one, thank you all
I definitely agree with you that the patient should be referred to a psychiatrist to help them with gender dysphoria and help them till they are 18 years of age and to help explain it in great detail in a kind and supportive way to understand potential risks the child will have if they got the surgery at a very young age
I get supporting your child through their transition but you never hear the kids explain how they expect their parents to come up with the thousands and thousands needed to pay for all the procedures. If you are mature enough to know who you are and what you want than you should be mature enough to face the realities of cost and such...
Yup, the child should definitely wait till they are the right age and hopefully have a job to help save up the amount of money it'll cost to go for the procedure, it depends on the country as some hospitals are free that you don't have to pay for going to hospital for things but it just depends on the country and it's medical establishments but yeah always make sure you work for the money to afford procedures
fun fact: HRT IS safe and effective for teenagers! surgery needs to wait until all potential growth is done, I know someone who got top surgery at 16 and it let him go into adulthood as a well-adjusted confident young man
Its still kind of crazy to me that people think that when kids come out as transgender the parents are like "Well time to barbie doll you into a different gender". Iike Idk personally I don't know a single person who came out and got surgery like that, like it was mostly just puberty blockers and respecting pronouns and clothes I just forget that this is is how people see transpeople sometimes, and how just like uninformed they are, you know?
they are focusing WAY too much on the appearance or possibly changing his mind part, they should've emphasized the unknown health complications. To be absolutely fair, for some kids it really is a phase, 13 is far too young for life altering choices. BUT, hormone blockers or mom paying for the BEST binders out there could've been helpful. It is absolutely impossible for a parent to know for sure whether its a phase or forever, but if they think their kid isn't even going to make it to adulthood without more agressive measures then that's the easiest call in the world. Better have them alive to be angry at you later than not alive at all.
This may come as a little cruel but it is not meant to be. I'm all for waiting for certain surgeries when someone is (not sure the right word or phrase is) transgendering until at least 16 that way the body has time to mature a bit and the surgery will be a little less stressful and safer for the person. Everyone has a right to live how they want to live .
Close, right word there would be “transitioning”. 16 is typically the minimum age for any form of surgery, and even then it’s rare. The one person I know who received surgical transition care at that age is currently a happy young man, who was able to start college secure in himself. I also started HRT at that age, and genuinely credit it to saving my life- Having a body and voice that felt like me instead of a corpse I was puppeting drastically changed how I live. I don’t magically love my body now, some of the changes I wanted never happened due to genetics (like a beard), some of the changes I DIDNT want happened due to genetics (slightly receded hairline), but I am now at a point where I accept and care for myself (both in mind and body)
@@oliverdyer9155 Thank you for the right word. I am also glad that you and your friend feel happy with (again not sure how to words this right) your body,
I have so many mixed feelings. The Danny should feel comfortable and happy but he is 13 and it is a big deal. It’s not something you can just chop off.
There are people who regret their decision for transitioning, so for some it truly was a phase for them and if they went through the transition especially if the male to female, they can’t fully transition back into a male.
The only percentage of people who regret it are 2% of the majority. The only ones who had were because they rushed through treatment too young according to research. That doesn't change that the mass majority who HAVE received treatment and reassignment surgery have had a better quality of life. But it's not surgery alone, they still have to have the therapy too.
People who are mad at the mom, you all just don’t get it. You have a girl, a girl that you created, and that you raised. You’ve always known her as a girl, treated her as your daughter. And then one day she says “I’m a boy” and you expect a parent to just immediately accept that reality without looking into it, and making absolute sure? Especially when we’re talking about a parent who came from a generation where being trans was considered a deviance. So the parents whole life, up until they found out their child is trans, she’s been programmed to think trans=something wrong. I think all that being considered the parent is pretty supportive of her son. She just doesn’t want him to do something that’s permanent, which most parents wouldn’t want without making sure their child understands fully what that means. I mean, we don’t like kids have sex until 18, and they can’t even have a drink or a smoke until they’re 21 in most states. How is a parent supposed to be comfortable with allowing their child to do something permanent at the young age of 13?
I definitely agree with what you said, you can't expect a parent to accept what you said instantly as it's not how we humans think, we have to process everything especially if parents grew up in a time where they were told something was bad, you need ti give the parent time to process everything first. The processing doesn't always have to be from the news that a child comes out saying they are the opposite gender, it could be for something like a cancer of some sort as a parent has to process everything that is thrown at them. So if the parent comes back and tells their transgender child that they will always support and love them then that's great but sadly there are children out there that unfortunately don't have supportive parents just because of what they identity as, a parent is supposed to love and support the child that they brought into the world
that kids got no clue who they are at 13. heck most people dont even knjow who they are throughout their lives. All this affirming of this mindset is just creating a bigger problem instead of getting people the help they need.
parents have the right to try and protect their kids from harm. you cannot tell me that there was never a situation in your life, where in hinesight, you would agree with your parents from stoping you from doing something. Or that there is none where you wish they did step in and stop you. You cannot blindly follow a teenager's calls.
Yeah the parents don’t know what the kid is going through, better trust the literal child with the clarity and sense of thought to make a life altering decision. What’s next? Letting them drink at 13? Run away to the circus? Vote? Own fire arms?
The parents aren’t judging, they just want to make sure he won’t change his mind, and they want to wait until he’s old enough to truly know. People DO change their minds and regret transitioning, and the mom wants to save her kid from that
I can understand how the kid was worried about his parents reactions on his binding. I'm someone who is currently agender and is questioning genderfluid and nonbinary as well. I'm 21 and I am still trying to figure out which gender is my gender and if I have no gender at all. While my family on the other hand being Christians' they all see me as a women and call me by my birth name and me not having the heart and just too scared to tell them. It can be very scary cause they will look at you like you are crazy and take you to see a therapist at a drop of a dime.
In some angles in it yes while they are here when I am in trouble or something happened. But I will never be what they wish for me to be caused I was damaged so much as a child just like alot of people@@achaudhari101
Depends entirely on the genetics and that's why check ins and therapy are done to adjust as they transition. But it's also come out more in recent years that the only people who regret changes made to their bodies were when they were minors who went into surgery too quickly. Some people want an immediate solution to fix how they feel. Sometimes it's not that simple.
3:06 “They won’t let me play for the guys soccer team ⚽️” Because your biologically female body wouldn’t be able to keep up with the testosterone filled biological boys, even if you did take testosterone yourself, it still wouldn’t be enough 🤦♀️ (Seriously, the Lia Thomas situation is bad enough 😑)
Getting on HRT will make him compete with the biological males lmao what have u never done any research? and hes most likely not doing it professionally just to affirm his gender as sports is typically male associated
@@Lilithotwnah bc men have different bone structures and stronger tendons denser and thicker skin and naturally have more drive to “fight” and whatever alot of other things too that i’m too lazy to type but it’s true (hrt would obviously make a woman stronger but not nearly as strong as a male would be)
@@ThickWalrus HRT changes literally all of those. Males dont naturally have a drive to fight that’s entirely a social condition. They can be more aggressive I wouldn’t say that’s the same as a drive to fight but thay also changes due to HRT as the brain itself undergoes neuroplasticity even before HRT but many neurologists agree even aggression can be socially conditioned Every single thing u listed is almost entirely due to testosterone which is what HRT for trans men gives which alters cellular DNA changing it activating parts and turning off other parts. Bone structure alters if they start early enough (pre 18ish). Tendons will become more dense due to testosterone, skin thickening is literally one of the first changes. There’s only very few things HRT is unable to change thay being actual reproductive organs, bones except skull and hip past 18-21 and other minor things.
Wait a minute, arent hormones and surgery illegal for minors anyway (aside from very few exceptions) ??? Even if the doctor wanted to, he wouldnt be allowed to. Or am i wrong?
I don't understand why people are against kids transitioning. As someone who is trans myself (non binary), if I knew who I was at a younger age, I would've started horormones earlier than I did now.
The number of people detransitioning should help you find the answer to your question. A lot of kids are / can be influenced to do it and they often do not know what the consequences will be. Either way, KIDS should not be allowed to do it. ADULTS can do whatever they want.
Definitely vocal training as I have a few trans male friends who have transitioned to male or are starting transitioning as one has been on T for years and has recently had top surgery and is waiting to get bottom surgery and he has the vocal range of a male and I have a trans friend who is still female but identifies as male did vocal training to sound male before going on T, I always struggle saying the full name as I do struggle with big words due to being Autistic with ADHD so if I say testost but struggle finishing it, a friend helps say the word
@@pancakedev6 helping someone accept reality of what science can and cant do vs telling them they can be whatever they feel like. Ones mean the other is reality, its not being phobic to tell them not to mutilate themselves over how they feel. I feel depressed and anxious, so should i just end it already because my brain says do it?
It truly blows my mind that there are so many comments supporting children under 18 transitioning. So uneducated on the body & mental health and just plain delusional. Smfh. 🥴🤦🏼♀️
Breasts are incredibly sensitive to hormones so yes under the typical female hormone profile they still develop until 17-18 however under a male hormone profile (getting him on testosterone HRT and oestrogen blockers) the breasts would stop developing
This is a difficult subject. I think that a person should wait until they have past puberty and have at least become an adult bef9re making changes that cannot be undone. While some are happy, there are many untold storeis of those who go on to regret the decision. Difficult topic.
You've got your choice of words mixed up here. MANY are happy, some regret. Detransition is insanely rare within the trans community, and a sizeable chunk of that minority don't even detransition because they aren't trans. They detransition because of discrimination, societal/family pressure and so on.
The whole point of the hormones at 13-14 are because you go on blockers right before puberty starts so that way you don’t have to go through the wrong puberty which makes you want to die every single day through that 7 years of changes I definitely believe surgery should be not until 18 but hormones are what keeps people alive or wanting to live.
@@eusinohaits not rare it happens more than you think the so called loving and accepting trans community just silences them via death threats and bullying
@@midnight_x_editsIt literally is rare???? There's been surveys taken (anonymously) that include detransitioners, and the absolute max is 8% (13% if you count people who temporarily detransitioned if i remember correctly). It is not common for trans people to detransition, and those who HAVE detransitioned have been interviewed, and the more common reason is because of their outside environment being unsafe. There's no credible source for frequent detransition, even if you look at casual areas where detrans' organize, like the detrans subreddit, (which is most definitely full of people who never transitioned to begin with), they're still under 13% compared to trans communities in the same area.
I 100% support transgender rights but 13 is way too young to decide. His brain isn't fully developed, decision making is still iffy, when he's an adult, he can make the decision for himself
As a transgender person, you can start transitioning whenever [clothing, haircuts, pronouns, etc]. But transitioning medically, thirteen is TOO early. Testosterone and estrogen are both reversible, so I’m not so worried about them, but SURGERY IS AN ADULT CHOICE. Not only is it life threatening, detransitioning, while rare, can also happen.
I agree that 13 is probably too young for top surgery, but I also don't know if we should really bringing legislation into the medical field. I just think it's best to make these kinds of things less political and let them stay between patients and doctors.
13 may be too young for surgery - a transfem nonbinary person however they should still have a right to wear binders and have access to meds that stop from growing. However surgery is... I mean it's - such a rough depression phase when you feel like your body is wrong especially that young. Its rough. But blockers, binders, and clothes are a big help.
Top or bottom surgery should be illegal before 18! The cases of minors who now suffer deep regret after transitioning provides enough evidence for to support this. If someone have already struggled with issues surrounding gender identity, , imagine how devastating it could be a second time?
i think each trans family should be able to decide for themselves. BUt a 13 year old kid saying he knows whats good for him and his body, then almost dying because you bought meds off some dude at the gym......yeah this kid should not be trusted to make ANY medical decisions himself
I love watching MD TV scenes based on transitioning it definitely hits home for me. Btw it's loved ones thinking it's a phase that's part ofwhy the transgender worldwide suicide attempt rate is almost 50%.... I went thru that my whole childhood. Feeling caught in between is such a true feeling for trans people too.
As a trans man I was terrified when they came back to the hospital and very glad when it did not turn out to be what I feared. What I don't understand is why no one fucking told him "you can't have surgery until you're definitely done growing, because if you do, you might just keep growing and need a second surgery later." He's 13, not 3, and no one even tried to reason with him other than "what if it's a phase."
Good post
Because it was written by cis people who did minimal research.
I’m an adult and was told to wait at least 1 year after taking T before getting top surgery.
@@PirateOfTheNorthokay kinda curious about this one because I wasn't told that. Did they say why? T doesn't really affect chest size at all (unless you work hard to build muscle there) so I'm wondering if there's a reason they gave you. To be clear, I'm not saying there's no reason just because I wasn't told that, the wait on the public healthcare is already more than a year so they may have just skipped it because I made it clear I wouldn't be going private.
@@MorganChaos I think it was to make sure I didn’t rush.
Love this kid actor. He's so good here.
I’ve had gender identity issues for over 10 years. This is something so complicated it’s beyond doctors and parents beliefs. Every situation is different and unfortunately there have been cases where people have de transitioned years later but it’s extremely rare. But I will say at 13 I couldn’t decide between a pink or blue shirt so deciding to have a surgery is a huge deal for a child.
Not to mention a mastectomy at that age could easily require more surgeries later on to fix potential complications since the body is still developing breasts and growing to fill out body wise. Adding in testosterone should at least get you results without a permanent impact should you change your mind later.
Most insurances won't cover a cosmetic surgery (and I think this would likely be considered one) until the patient is older. I was able to get a breast reduction at 16, but there were plenty of qualifications to qualify - medical necessity (I was already having back and neck problems), a specific amount reduced, and I had to have seemingly stopped growing.
At 13, I'd probably think hormone therapy and puberty blockers, then revisit surgery talk at 16 or 18.
@@lunahyacinth6335 No one is doing surgery on 13 year olds. Doesn't happen.
@@CaptMortifydit does unfortunately. More than people know
@@megangregorich9399 No, it's not. There aren't that many doctors who do trans surgeries in the first place and no one is doing surgery on 13 year olds. 16 with parents permission - yes, but then cis girls get boob jobs then too and no one questions them about it. But a 13 year old is not able to get surgery. That's just a lie.
Maybe it was mentioned in the broader sense in the episode, but in this clip at no point is it mentioned that top surgery isn't considered at 13. Hormones, more likely, but it requires a lot of therapy to get to that point. In Canada (where the show takes place iirc) I'm pretty sure the minimum age is 16 with parental consent, and that is ONLY for top surgery.
from where im from there is no legal age at least as is purpose is to remove cancer affected parts otherwise even talking about mutilating a child would get them arrested.
@@pedromigueldinisRemoving cancer parts is an entirely different thing than top surgery, but top surgery for trans people isn't mutilation. It's a life-improving (arguably saving) surgery in it's own right.
@@eusinoha perfectly said. Thank you for educating those that are misinformed
@eusinoha It really isn’t life saving. It comes off as junk science like lobotomies and eugenics.
right! i've literally never heard of anyone getting top surgery at that age, in ANY country... a lot of trans kids don't even have anything to remove at that age, so what would be the point...? also i thought it was funny that they cast someone who had very obviously been on T for a while as a character who hadn't even gone on T yet
“You’re my son.” Man I wish all parents were like this
You wish that parents would ignore reality
They could reenforce problems
Poor for kids
@@meggrotte4760 i wish that people could just treat transgender people like people.
That's a lovely statement but It's not right to lie to people
No matter how much you care about someone, it's never appropriate to li'm. Pretty sure it's something that is well obviously lying to them
If young people have I've gendered this for ya they have a pretty high chance of overcoming it
Providing that you get the right treatment
@@meggrotte4760 it may not be right, but its right to respect them as what they *are.*
She should have said, "You're my child." That's a true statement.
As a trans man who is almost 18, they do not propose the idea of hormone blockers, HRT, or surgery until the patient is much older, often at minimum 18. It also required countless therapy appointments and invasive questionings. This is not a spontaneous decision.
Struggling with dysphoria is beyond painful, but they wouldn’t allow a surgery so soon.
Edit: STOP FUCKING ARGUING UNDER MY COMMENT I WAS JUST POSTING SOMETHING TO HELP JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE A DEBATE JUST DISLIKE MY COMMENT AND MOVE ON
You need mental help. Not reassignment. I am glad to hear some places are not so quick to reaffirm.
@@rharnatkiewicz blue states are. Hormone therapy from age 4 is child abuse and every doctor signing on that should be incarcerated
He’s not fully developed at 13 so I agree. Rarely do they perform top surgery so young anyway and I also know the process and in the United States it takes time and I’m pretty sure no doctor would perform that procedure on a 13 year old child so young, even with parental consent. They usually use HRT on people under 18 because the HRT usually has the ability to be reversed. Also, if this kid attempted to end his life, no doctor In their right mind would even consider performing this top surgery or HrT on a mentally unstable patient, regardless the age. It’s possibly he could change his mind. Gender dysphoria can happen because of trauma also. Teenagers are still developing mentally, emotionally and physically.
@@rharnatkiewicz Projection! How sad.
@@HipBeeWitch Accepting who I am is projection? What do you have to look forward to then? A life of lies and no meaning? Just hoping someone will call you by the right pronoun?
As a trans person, medically transitioning at 13 is WAY too soon. It's dangerous, your body is still developing, and it can cause significant, long-term damage. Binding, if done correctly, is fine, but until you hit 18, surgery is a no-go.
It's not because "oh you might change your mind", it's because "your body is literally still developing and this could hurt you".
HRT is a safer way to transition while in puberty, and it may even prevent certain things from developing, or cause certain things to develop.
The doctor was right about taking breaks from binding, as well. You're only supposed to bind for a max of 8 hours straight, and should take frequent breaks, and "binder break" days where you don't wear them at all.
I know it sucks, trust me, but once you hit 18 you can do anything you want.
it is also part of the "you might change your mind" claim because it's true. Can't make 4-5 year predications into the future.
@@runsoncaffeine They might change their minds about wanting surgery, sure, but being Trans isn't something you can change.
He may hit 18 and be happy with binding, or HRT could work and he won't develop "female features".
Usually tho the extra waiting time just makes you more sure you wanna do it (I speak from experience)
@@SamSparks95 not true there is a about a 1%-10% rate of those that regret transitioning and then the rate for those that detransition is not rly known but it 100% happens and i have personally known 1 that did detransitioning after he found out he just hated his body and that he was not trans. (point is that just agreeing with a kid saying that they are trans without doing a actual mental evaluation from a person that dont have a agenda is vital to make sure its rly what is best for the person and never ever is putting a kid on any kind of HRT or any other drugs to that effect a good idea there is way to little study done on what that does to a kids body and its long lasting negative effects)
@@The_viking_NinjaSo you're saying that an adolescent/adult is only trans when a doctor or therapist says they are.
I'm a transwoman and I've know that since I was in preschool just back then the word transgender wasn't a thing.. I'm 33 now.
You have this "theory" all wrong because before you can have ANY HRT or gender conformation surgery you have to go through rigorous therapy sessions to make sure you're stable enough physically/mentally to deal with the effects and changes your body will go through. It has absolutely nothing to do with proving if someone is transgender or not, it's to make sure you're 100% prepared and stable enough to handle what comes after...
Because believe me gender conformation surgery isn't cheap and it's not a walk in the park its extremely excruciating..
These people you're talking about who "detransitioned" are the ones who either lie and try and manipulate the people who serve the trans community be that therapists or doctor's to help make choices their not ready for or they never were transgender to begin with! That's called being mentally unstable and just so you know cross dressers and transgenders are two way completely different things.
So don't get those confused.
I couldn't agree with you more! ❤
The journey we have to go through to be our authentic selves is a long one, just because I think that children shouldn't be having any type of gender conforming surgeries doesn't mean I believe that they are any less trans than we are.
People looking from the outside in have no comprehension of what being transgender is.
Hearing her say "you're my son".... oh I am tearing up!!!
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Bruh why everyone laughing. 🙄 if a parent can except their child for who they are and respect there pronouns and how he wants to dress and wear his hair, is a miracle and blessing cause it’s helping the person. It actually made me smile. 😊. I had gender dysphoria growing up in my teens and it was the 1990’s and my parents where old school. They where born in the 40’s so times where different then and their “beliefs” are different. They don’t “approve” of my “life style”. I use quotations cause these are their references to these things. Not only do they not approve but they definitely lack basic knowledge even to this day.
@@jilla-dr9hu Sounds like you are really lacking knowledge. You may have feelings but that is not knowledge.
@@jilla-dr9hu kid can't even accept who they are.
Alot of people are hating on the mum saying that she doesn’t want him to be female but thats not true she just doesn’t want him to have surgery until he is 18 which is reasonable to me
I understand your perspective, but for many trans people top surgery can be livesaving. So it's better to get it done as soon as possible with proper mental evaluations to confirm that it's the best choice of action.
you haven't the slightest clue what it's like. that said, most detrans are pooners.
@lukethedaydreamer I'm all about supporting trans people, but surgery should not be done on minors no matter what. A lot of people mistakingly think they are trans, but by then, you can't go back. Even if you only take hormones those still have effects on your body. Do you really think it's a wise decision to let someone this immature make that kind of choice? No. Absolutely not. It's better to wait.
@@clouds9914 that's not true. 2% of trans people detransition. I get how you see it, but for us it can be a matter of life and death. We go through years of mental health assessments to make sure we actually need it
@@lukethedaydreamer mental evaluations are not absolute. Psychologists don't even fully understand depression let alone what it's like to be trans. I understand it's hard but it's really not healthy for someone that young to make a decision that life altering. You can't go back. At that age they don't fully understand what kind of decision they are making, like from a factual standpoint, they don't. Someone that doesn't have the capacity to fully understand the consequences that will bring shouldn't have a say on such matters. I'm fine with hormone blockers, but as far as surgery? No. If a child can make a decision like that, what can't they make a decision on?
"You're my kid. You're my son." Perfect writing.
if that kid is 13 im 82, like damn puberty hit this kid like a brick
coming from a 16 year old that kid looks 13-14
No he really doesn’t we’re you live the 13-14 year olds must be huge we’re I live they all look like 11 and 12.😅
Fr. I have a 13 yo friend who sounds like he is 25+
Puberty is hitting him hard.
she is actually 16
she who lmao @@pedromigueldinis
For the record, puberty blockers have been prescribed for precocious (early) puberty in cisgender (non-trans) children for decades. We know the long-term effects, we know they're reversible. Let your children have the time to work things out if they need it.
Crying where can I get a mom that supportive??
Only in fiction im afraid.
As a trans person, it really is not a safe idea to provide HRT to a child going through puberty. The safer alternative doctors provide is hormone blockers, and they’re stopped when the child hits late teen years when they can receive parental consent for HRT and surgery. But that also requires months or even years of therapy and a lot of times a gender dysphoria diagnosis. Getting him into therapy is the right call. His transition would be safer and smoother after a diagnosis.
That is illegal in many countries including mine, such attemp would lead to the doctor and parents arrest and to find a orfanage for the kid...
@@pedromigueldinis And marriages between children and adults are legal in some countries. Just because something is illegal somewhere doesn't mean it is what is best and vice versa. The medical literature is in consensus that allowing a trans person to transition is the correct course of action
@@rosenwadwell6007 We’re not saying that he shouldn’t be allowed to transition. We’re saying he should be allowed to transition safely. He obviously has bad dysphoria, but he needs to make sure he’s going to professionals to give him the care he needs since he can afford it. It would be a different story if he couldn’t afford it, but even then, he would’ve had to look hard for reliable sources for HRT that don’t overdose them. Testosterone comes with risks that can destroy your cardiovascular system if you’re not careful.
@@MercenaryPine9 I’m perfectly fine with minors not getting top surgery because that’s how it works irl. The main thing is the tissue will just keep growing back. I was more commenting on the person on this comment who thinks that their country’s laws are the deciding factor on what’s right and wrong
Jessus loves you all ❤ once you get to know Him truely all these things fade away. He revealed to me that the reason this happens is because these ppl dont have an identity rooted in Christ. True freedom. I've found it. ❤
Mom: What were you thinking??
Kid: *starts to explain what he was thinking*
Mom: Let’s not get into this
Basically that one John Mulaney bit about eggs
Good mom keeping her kid safe
obviously the kid was not safe and nearly died after feeling pushed into under the table options
I remember emotions at that age. God they were so strong, like if I didn’t get to do this or that then it was the end of the world. Being so sure of a decision no matter the possible consequences but not caring. A permanent decision at this age really is something to take time to decide.
I think, sometimes, people are born into the wrong bodies. This is a controversial issue, at what age should a trans person go for surgery. A good idea to refer Danny to a specialized clinic for a treatment plan.
Lol
Actually you're right about that cause scientists find that there is a girl brain and a boy brain along with different mix of chemicals in the womb but the brain doesn't match the chromosomes aka your sex assigned at birth.
@@alexandramoyer8785it ain’t funny
People aren't born in the wrong bodies. They have mental conditions that take them think they are.
@@dominika4009 it is
I'm not exactly Trans but I was born Hermaphrodite so I'm very protective over Trans people. I love when people respect a persons gender. The mom calling him her son just ugh right through the heart. We need more people like that. My dad hid the fact i wasn a hermy and just raise me as a gender he chose.
Also I really think trans people should just introduce themselves as their gender than are transitioning too, the only people who should know your assigned gender is parents, doctors, and lover(s).
Being a hermaphrodite is night and day different than most of today's transgenders. You have a real medical condition, whereas the majority of transgender cases are people either looking for attention, are confused, or have had these ideas planted in their heads from bad parents, negligent doctors, or they're looking for attention.
Completely agree. But things are going way too far, having schools decides a person gender without a parents consent. The bullying and harrasment and threat's to people who choose to not believe in their beliefs, children making life longing decision etc. Things are going bad
You're lost
@@LilLighT_ and you don't know basic grammar so who's really lost here?
@@fluffyhales thats can be reversed :), unlike the trauma your gonna experience when you get old and realized you were decieved by the world
If you care about your kids physically health you should care about their mental health. Words can kill, I almost became a victim to it, and it took me almost dying for my dad to open his eyes to how much it hurts me to be mis-gendered, and dismissed as a phase.
The mom and doctor are right for the obvious reasons. He should not be getting that kind of surgery at only 13. I don't believe that the mom saying it could be a phase was meant in a negative way. His body, brain, hormones, emotions- everything about him is still growing and developing. That kind of surgery is not irreversible, so imagine if he didn't want to be a boy by the time he hits 18, what then? He may be saying he knows what he wants now, but he can't predict 4-5 years into the future. I'm glad to see a loving and supportive mother though.
"Loving and supportive" Lol she drove her child into a depressive spiral and caused him to OD. She should have her kid taken away if this was a real world thing.
The idea that detransitioning later is somehow a bad thing is also very wild to say, honestly. It's up to the person. If they want to have a 'phase' from 13-18 then that's perfectly fine, to say otherwise is just simple-minded transphobia.
@@strangerinastrangeland3613she did nothing wrong. she was worried, and she didn’t let him get an irreversible surgery. SHE did not do that to him, he/his body did. he’s a teen with the hormones of a girl ofc he’s going to be emotional and depressed bc of his body(meaning being trans not just bc a girl body)
AGREED. NO KID SHOULD EVER BE ABLE TO DO THIS AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE.
not irreversible means reversible. If you meant that there is no going back from it - then it's irreversible. And I agree.
@@atbadwolfbay14 "She did nothing wrong" 😶she almost killed her kid, dude
Yeah, treating a still developing body with hormones for transition and the long term effects of it aren't really known. Its not that the doctor doesn't want to do it, its more that if there isn't data on what happens in this situation then the kid might have serious health complications when they are older. Doctors are supposed to do no harm but also respect a patient's wishes, its hard to find the balance. Personally, I think its not a wise idea to mess with your bodies hormones while you're still growing because we have so little data on it.
you realize puberty IS hormonal changes right? Like having your hormones change at that age is literally something every single one of us go through.
@@chloec4009ok still doesn’t change the doctor wasn’t wrong with wanting to wait
Well we have data on things like puberty blockers because they were originally meant for kids going through premature puberty, what happens when people don't naturally produce their puberty hormones, and we know the long-term effects of hormones on adults. There's some grey area that is still to be understood, but we know what goes in and goes out when hormones are applied/not applied to human bodies. At least, to me, it doesn't seem to be a big enough of a grey area to deny thousands of people the treatment that we actually do know improves their lives.
I mean puberty is precisely a hormonal change so for many trans people (especially trans masc) it’s rlly important to get hormone blockers at that stage of development because it’s rlly hard to reverse certain hormonal changes as an adult. There’s medical literature on the subject it’s just kinda niche and hard to find.
All of what you said are reasons that prove that so-called gender transition is a made up and harmful thing. If a person n is meant to be a different gender/sex, it wouldn't be harmful to make them that.
Also: He was freaking out about having to not train for a month, when recovering from a mastectomy is that long for a full grown adult... being 13 I could only see that time go up so...
I don't know if I agree, based on how quickly younger people heal. I'm not saying it's a good idea to do a non-medically urgent double mastectomy on a 13-year-old, I'm just not sure that it would take longer for him to heal than it would for an adult.
as a fit 26 y.o. I can start working out after 6 weeks. so not that long.
This is why kids need counseling for their gender dystoria
both of them should have been pushing for a consult like that, not just with the pediatrician, it's not just surgery or nothing
If I can’t have a tattoo with 13 then I shouldn’t be able to have a transitional surgery. Permanent changes on the body should only ever be decided at 18
Agree this is television, the doctors wouldn’t ever consider surgery at 13
I'm not transgender, so my opinion doesn't really hold much weight as I don't experience their struggles with gender/body dysphoria, however I do agree that surgery shouldn't be allowed until they are 18; it's not because of the thought that it is a "phase", but more so of the heightened risks attributed to major surgery on someone that young. Support them however possible in other ways, but don't hold them back once they are legally an adult.
Also, I know it is just a show, but to say that your mother doesn't really love you if she won't sign off on a life-altering surgery for someone who is still just a middle schooler? I dunno man, she is actively doing her best. She doesn't write him off, she uses his preferred pronouns, and is doing her best to keep an opened mind. Just take a look at the end, she agrees to even let him see what this clinic has to offer, all she has is his health in mind.
I’m also on a similar boat. I think it’s a good thing to want to be yourself, but life altering changes like this would risk them not being able to go back if they end up finding out they didn’t want that.
Your life before adulthood should be figuring this out before fully committing to what you set yourself out to be, it’s the most exciting part about it, and I think the mom is def someone I empathise with considering she’s worried it might not be what he wants in the end.
surgeries are dont until 18 unless its life saving, top surgery can be done under 18 if its deemed medically necessary after many evaluations by many doctors, one doctor cannot decide it, regret rate for top surgery in trans men is one of hte lowest regret rates in ANY medical producres, lower than tattoos, knee replacements and every other surgery
I’ve been binging this channel lately 😅
Doctors who cannot distinguish between sex and gender should not be allowed to treat these kids - no matter how well intentioned.
So, it's a hard issue. Coming from a Bisexual male who is 100% supportive of anyone and everyone who wants to transition, I do think perhaps full-on corrective surgery at the age of 13 might be jumping the gun....slightly. I say that only because I had friends I watched change their minds as they grew - they learned and discovered new things about themselves. I do think at this age it's hard to know exactly who or what you are. You should be allowed to explore all things, but to drastically change your body, it's a bit early to make the call. I think we need to try and make kids like this feel comfortable and accepted in their body while it develops and changes, and if they grow up to want the changes, make them totally accessible. Teach them that having breasts doesn't make you any less of the person you want to be.
No matter how understanding a parent is this would be a difficult decision and adjustment 😢❤❤
I would also say age 18 is the proper age to have surgery and the decision because if you are 13 and still under parents roof u can’t really do much till 18
It's not the case for all trans people. Top surgery can be lifesaving and should be done as soon as consent is given and the patient is evaluated by a mental health professional if it means saving the kid's life
Trans woman here-
Surgery would NEVER be considered this young, as far as I know 17 is the youngest any gender-affirming surgery has _ever_ been performed, and that was an extreme edge case. Blockers definitely, hormones maybe, but not surgery.
top surgery can be done under 18 if deemed medical necessary for the child but requires multiple consultations, multiple evaluations, multiple doctors and parental consent
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Yeah usually it's just for if they have cancer or smth
@@ob2kenobi388 and for trans youth but it can take multiple years for doctors to think its necessary however and is very uncommon, it varies across country as well as i know where i live its never done under 18
I cannot imagine what this poor boy is going through. I wholeheartedly support anybody’s decision to transition at any age. However, when I was 13 I was a completely different person from who I am now. I’m not saying parents are right all the time by saying you will change but you may want to change yourself as time goes on. This doesn’t apply to everything of course. As for myself, I don’t recognize the person I was a 13. I can’t imagine how scary it is to wait though. It’s a really tough position to be in. I’m so sorry for everybody who going through it. Bodies can be one of the most frustrating things in the universe.
Stop while you’re ahead with the age thing.
You're amazing and brave. We're all behind you ❤💯
Why is the color palette on this show so washed out? Like a sepia filter on the camera.
If u cant drive or drink at 13, u cannot decide whether or not u want surgery. That should be it.
Gillicks competence. Google it
I think he should talk with other trans men, he may be too young to have surgeries since he is still growing but his mom clearly thinks that the reason to not do it is that it's a phase, talking to more trans people could have given him more logical reasons without him thinking they are saying it because they don't believe him
I agree that he should have spoken to other trans men to get helpful advise on the situation, even the parents should also talk to trans men to get their advice on how to go through with it just so they have the information and advice on what to do as it's always good to get advice and second hand experience on what transgender men went through before and after surgery instead of jumping into it especially if the child is still young
I'm on the doctor's side only for the medical aspect. At 13, your body's still changing, be it hormonally or straight up anatomically... waiting might be the best idea. By all means pronoun away, but... idk I'd be terrified of messing something up anatomically if I were in his shoes.
Its amazing how many shows that are medical showing doctors doing things that could make em loose they job not this one but others
The mom is a good mom.
She doesn't want her CHILD, her 13 year old to have a very invasive and major surgery that is not neccessary.
Unless it's to save the child's life but yeah a transgender child should definitely wait till they are at least 18+ or 21+ just to be safe and if they do get it done at that age then they need to have a professional to help them through the procedure before and after especially during the recovery period as they will definitely be recovering from the pain as their body starts to heal after getting top surgery that they will need to take extended time off work or school so that they aren't putting strain on their upper body after getting top surgery, it could be the same for all kinds of surgeries that aren't ones for trans people that an individual who recieves any form of surgery should take things very easy and to make sure they have someone to look after them as they recover
There's a good book called I am Jazz, about a transgender teen who did have HRT and surgery as a minor, but of course had the full support of her parents.
This actor will go on to a great career having this role on their resume! Its well-acted and convincing.
Jazz became depressed and is now severely overweight. Nice to know that you’re only willing to say the positives and not the negatives of becoming a trans.
Jazz’s parents were abusive.
It's not just Jazz that has become depressed, many people tend to not understand in fullness what changing will do. A man's world is very different to how the other biological sex thinks and vice versa
@@thedwarvenking8127 being overweight and depressed isn't because of being trans?
@@seria3692 Based on what study? She became depressed not because of transitioning because transitioning reduces depression and mental heatlh rates by around 60-70% proven by countless studies some being 50 years in length so i want ur sources transitioning causes depression and the "mans world view is different to a females"
13 is WAY too young for gender reassessment
what the doctors should’ve done in the situation yes be upfront and honest about what surgery does someone in general and what hormones can do to someone’s body instead of just flat out saying no, because if you flat out, say no to a child without any logical, explanation or scientifical explanation, that can be backed up by proof, they are going to do it anyway, and at least if you show logical and scientifical proof, and they still do it, you can’t be blamed for it, and I’m not saying, I’m blaming the doctors, I’m saying, most people will look at you and say it’s not your fault because you scientifically and logically explain this to this kid, and they still did it anyway, versus a parent who just wants to say no, and not give any other exclamation, like you tell a five-year-old don’t touch the hot oven, but you don’t say it’s gonna burn them, some people will say that’s child neglect, because he didn’t explain to the child that didn’t know any better that the hot oven will physically harm them.
No it's not. Nobody is "mutilating" children. Just giving them options until they're older. Otherwise you end up with suicidal children
For full reassessment and surgery? I agree. That age is much better for adjusting to the hormones or blockers. Just my two cents.
@@kdej-si4voabsolutely not
Every age is 💀💀
I am a agender individual myself. Transitioning means different things for so many people, along with what triggers their gender disphoria. Some need top surgery, some don't. Some need bottom surgery, some don't. Everyone is different.
Even as a supporter though, I feel waiting til 18 is necessary. Not because someone might change their mind. But because people can't get breast reduction surgery until the breasts have stopped growing. It's a safety measure for everyone, even cis woman who do like their breasts, they just need or want them smaller.
So well I understand a minors frustration at not being understood or believed, Id tell them waiting isn't about denying them who they are. It's for their wellbeing til their body is ready to handle that type of surgery.
Look. I think waiting until 18 is a good decision. It gives you time to know, really know what you want. 13 years old is too young to make such life altering decision.
Are you just saying?
I’m trans and I needed this.
How could parents NOT notice their child binding their breasts?
They said they don’t talk about it meaning she prolly knows just don’t discuss it
@@khushiraizada262sadly a lot of parents are like that and it's usually the parents who have issues with the LGBTQA+ community as they don't want to discuss it due to the community the parents are living in, I just wish parents could be supportive to their child as that's what a parent's job is supposed to do, if they can't be bothered to support their child then they shouldn't have had sex, that's what every male and female should think about before deciding if they wanna start a family, as in, would they support the child no matter what or will they not support the child, if they wanna support the child then by all means start a family but if they don't wanna support the child then don't get pregnant, it's as simple as that
Glad mum is starting to understand
Bro got the code wrong. Code pink means a newborn/infant has been abducted. He should’ve called code blue or code white. Code blue is a cardiac arrest in adults, meaning anyone who has gone through or is going through puberty. Or code white, which is pediatric cardiac arrest, anyone who has not yet gone through puberty.
But he’s not in cardiac arrest. So they wouldn’t call any of them.
@@BaziwizZy they would’ve called it anyway just to be safe because his heart could’ve very easily just stopped because of how high his heart rate was.
@@ST-du4rs his heart rate was 110. They would not call it for that and a heart would not stop because the heart rate is 110. Yes it’s tachycardic but mildly and only because his temperature is up which his body would be trying to fight by compensating with an increased hr to have increased o2 delivery around the body to ensure all the organs are well oxygenated especially ones that may be poorly perfused due to the underlying issue.
@@BaziwizZy I know why the hr may increase, but then why would they be freaking out if his hr was 110? I’m not an expert, I’m going off of what I learned in med last school year. I’m not trying to make it sound like I know everything, the initial comment was just pointing how he got the code wrong, and now you want to come in and be the expert. I should’ve put in the comment that I’m not an expert. Like I said, I was just pointing out how he got the code wrong.
@@ST-du4rs they’re freaking out because of his low GCS so basically the fact he’s unresponsive and the fact it’s a show. But the fact is they didn’t need to call for any colours cause he’s not in arrest. Just get him in resus and treat him.
I cannot pretend to understand what trans kids go through. However, as much as I think that transition should be explored with the proper experts, I would never condone surgery on a minor. Too many have said that they wanted to de-transition after the fact because they made the decision too young.
Ah yes, 1%. Wouldn’t give him the surgery either but please don’t spread misinformation
The problem is we are giving kids too much freedom to choose what they want and make huge decisions about their lives , we keep forgetting that they are not fully developed yet so there is a huge risk they are making bad decisions. We need to take action and stop being weak ,they might get mad at us now but they will thank us in the future.
Faxtz 💯💯💯💯
Freakin' Fax
imagine what would happen if when that child that changes sex gets to be an adult and regrets his past actions a lot, the only ones to blame would be the parents because children are entitled to no responsability over their acts, a children cannot vote but can change its sex? that is just idiotic, if they are not thrusted even to vote for corrupted politicians why are they thrusted over their bodies that are a lot more important than politics?
but if they dont let us have a lot of freedom, are we ready for the world? making mistakes is *literally* what makes you human .. even if theyre not mistakes in our eyes. /gen
13 is not too young to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and be assessed for gender affirming healthcare. Nobody is "mutilating" children. Had I known about it at his age, I would want the same
I knew well before puberty, but it wasn't an option when I was a kid. But I barely made it to adulthood to get things taken care of. Trans kids need support.
Quit harming children
No , no its not too young . Yes its too young to transition but once diagnosed its not too young to start talking about the journey to transition
@@Loserkid420 how about an actual smart journey about getting an education and a future?
@@pulacascar179both can go hand in hand, neither journey will happen if they kill themself
Parents wanting their kid to wait to make permanent, irreversible changes to their body is not them "not supporting" their kid, it's protecting them. Even if they allow Danny to transition socially and are fine with him being a him they (and most sane adults) realise that kids don't know what they don't know, and are doing their duty as a parent to protect their kid from possible harm. Even if he ends up wanting to continue transitioning at 18, they are still doing the right thing, and are practicing "harm mitigation". Pushing kids barely in their teens to get surgical and hormonal interference that quickly are asking for trouble. If you go by the kid's voice they ARE allowing him to go on hormones (which is pretty irreversible, especially when it comes to bone growth and vocal changes) it actually doesn't make sense for them to forbid "physical transitioning" as they've undermined half their argument, because testosterone DOES cause physical changes... It's pretty unfortunate that much of the world at the moment thinks siding with trans kids means speeding them thru every medical caution to bypass transient comfort, forgetting that puberty is uncomfortable for EVERYONE, not just trans folks! The fact of the matter is that teens DO NOT know better than adults. It's incredibly emotionally manipulative to say "you don't care for me if you don't let me have surgery"
The show said he brought testosterone from a guy at the gym, the parents weren’t giving it to him
2:55 Yes, surgery is a big commitment…& PERMANENT. Once you have either top or bottom surgery (or both), there’s no going back. And letting your body go through the puberty it was biologically born with is necessary in order for any surgery to have a greater chance of success as there are risks for having it while your body is still physically growing & developing. Puberty blockers are NOT reversible as many people claim. They cause adolescents to develop micro genitalia due to the fact that their bodies didn’t develop properly due to the blockers & once the window of puberty development of your teenhood is gone, you can’t get it back.
And as strongly as Danny may feel about this now, he does NOT have the capacity of making this decision at 13 - NO minor does. Trans or not, none of us know exactly who we are at 13, this is only around the time we actually start to think about this. Danny may think 5 years is an eternity, but that just proves how much more growing up he has to do if he can’t think about how he can have 60 to 80 more years to live exactly how he wants come adulthood.
Seriously, I HATE how this ep treats Danny as if he's a victim when his own mother is nothing but supportive while being rightly hesitant about permanent medical & surgical decisions & his doctor isn't being more brutally honest about the long term consequences of transitioning 😤
It’s just more propaganda
Or just creative license a thing all medical shows do
@@ppietras97propaganda for what exactly?
@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay for conditioning people into thinking this type of behavior is normal for kids and that a child with an undeveloped brain who still has very poor decision making skills should be able to make such a permanent decision regarding their health and safety.
I work in a medical setting and I will say that gender identity disorder is a real thing. Many people know it to be a mental disease that has yet to be explored and mind you the level of understanding that we have when it comes to the brain is quite low though we’ve learned a lot up to current date. When looking at this biologically, the patient is a female, 13, and displays signs of being gender dysphoric. What is best for the child, in my opinion would to be referred to the patient to a psychiatrist up to the age of 18 where they can make their own decision. The point of the referral would be to make sure they understand what is the reality. Prior to having the changes, they should be given a FULL explanation of what they’re asking for along with the risks of the procedure. When it comes to the verbalizing, that’s something that you can’t force someone into doing, imo. Medically, they’d still have to be treated as their biological sex because that’s just how we are hardwired. None of what I just said is professional advice or discrimination of any sort. Please don’t destroy the reply box on this one, thank you all
I definitely agree with you that the patient should be referred to a psychiatrist to help them with gender dysphoria and help them till they are 18 years of age and to help explain it in great detail in a kind and supportive way to understand potential risks the child will have if they got the surgery at a very young age
I cant edit my comment but its rare for young people to get hormone blockers, not every child gets it
I could never understand
I’m so sick of hearing about the Transgender “narrative”. It’s a hot topic only because of Politicians. Just let them be already.
I get supporting your child through their transition but you never hear the kids explain how they expect their parents to come up with the thousands and thousands needed to pay for all the procedures. If you are mature enough to know who you are and what you want than you should be mature enough to face the realities of cost and such...
Yup, the child should definitely wait till they are the right age and hopefully have a job to help save up the amount of money it'll cost to go for the procedure, it depends on the country as some hospitals are free that you don't have to pay for going to hospital for things but it just depends on the country and it's medical establishments but yeah always make sure you work for the money to afford procedures
fun fact: HRT IS safe and effective for teenagers! surgery needs to wait until all potential growth is done, I know someone who got top surgery at 16 and it let him go into adulthood as a well-adjusted confident young man
I don’t believe anything you said. Ranging from the questionable praise to something very damaging to a minor or even your story.
13 years old wtf 😢!!! A person brain doesn’t fully develop until we’re in our late twenties and we don’t even know who we are even then
Its still kind of crazy to me that people think that when kids come out as transgender the parents are like "Well time to barbie doll you into a different gender".
Iike Idk personally I don't know a single person who came out and got surgery like that, like it was mostly just puberty blockers and respecting pronouns and clothes
I just forget that this is is how people see transpeople sometimes, and how just like uninformed they are, you know?
they are focusing WAY too much on the appearance or possibly changing his mind part, they should've emphasized the unknown health complications. To be absolutely fair, for some kids it really is a phase, 13 is far too young for life altering choices. BUT, hormone blockers or mom paying for the BEST binders out there could've been helpful. It is absolutely impossible for a parent to know for sure whether its a phase or forever, but if they think their kid isn't even going to make it to adulthood without more agressive measures then that's the easiest call in the world. Better have them alive to be angry at you later than not alive at all.
This may come as a little cruel but it is not meant to be. I'm all for waiting for certain surgeries when someone is (not sure the right word or phrase is) transgendering until at least 16 that way the body has time to mature a bit and the surgery will be a little less stressful and safer for the person. Everyone has a right to live how they want to live .
Close, right word there would be “transitioning”. 16 is typically the minimum age for any form of surgery, and even then it’s rare. The one person I know who received surgical transition care at that age is currently a happy young man, who was able to start college secure in himself. I also started HRT at that age, and genuinely credit it to saving my life- Having a body and voice that felt like me instead of a corpse I was puppeting drastically changed how I live. I don’t magically love my body now, some of the changes I wanted never happened due to genetics (like a beard), some of the changes I DIDNT want happened due to genetics (slightly receded hairline), but I am now at a point where I accept and care for myself (both in mind and body)
@@oliverdyer9155 Thank you for the right word. I am also glad that you and your friend feel happy with (again not sure how to words this right) your body,
I have so many mixed feelings. The Danny should feel comfortable and happy but he is 13 and it is a big deal. It’s not something you can just chop off.
Reimer brothers...R.I.P.
There are people who regret their decision for transitioning, so for some it truly was a phase for them and if they went through the transition especially if the male to female, they can’t fully transition back into a male.
The only percentage of people who regret it are 2% of the majority. The only ones who had were because they rushed through treatment too young according to research. That doesn't change that the mass majority who HAVE received treatment and reassignment surgery have had a better quality of life. But it's not surgery alone, they still have to have the therapy too.
2:09 oh hey, Detective Inspector Jack Cloth
Wait is it a female to male?
Yes, female to male (ftm).
People who are mad at the mom, you all just don’t get it. You have a girl, a girl that you created, and that you raised. You’ve always known her as a girl, treated her as your daughter. And then one day she says “I’m a boy” and you expect a parent to just immediately accept that reality without looking into it, and making absolute sure? Especially when we’re talking about a parent who came from a generation where being trans was considered a deviance. So the parents whole life, up until they found out their child is trans, she’s been programmed to think trans=something wrong.
I think all that being considered the parent is pretty supportive of her son. She just doesn’t want him to do something that’s permanent, which most parents wouldn’t want without making sure their child understands fully what that means. I mean, we don’t like kids have sex until 18, and they can’t even have a drink or a smoke until they’re 21 in most states. How is a parent supposed to be comfortable with allowing their child to do something permanent at the young age of 13?
I definitely agree with what you said, you can't expect a parent to accept what you said instantly as it's not how we humans think, we have to process everything especially if parents grew up in a time where they were told something was bad, you need ti give the parent time to process everything first. The processing doesn't always have to be from the news that a child comes out saying they are the opposite gender, it could be for something like a cancer of some sort as a parent has to process everything that is thrown at them. So if the parent comes back and tells their transgender child that they will always support and love them then that's great but sadly there are children out there that unfortunately don't have supportive parents just because of what they identity as, a parent is supposed to love and support the child that they brought into the world
that kids got no clue who they are at 13. heck most people dont even knjow who they are throughout their lives. All this affirming of this mindset is just creating a bigger problem instead of getting people the help they need.
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my heart breaks for this kid. Parents have no right to judge their kids when they have no idea what they're going through.
parents have the right to try and protect their kids from harm. you cannot tell me that there was never a situation in your life, where in hinesight, you would agree with your parents from stoping you from doing something. Or that there is none where you wish they did step in and stop you. You cannot blindly follow a teenager's calls.
Yeah the parents don’t know what the kid is going through, better trust the literal child with the clarity and sense of thought to make a life altering decision. What’s next? Letting them drink at 13? Run away to the circus? Vote? Own fire arms?
This kind of mindset is what’s slowly destroying USA
The parents aren’t judging, they just want to make sure he won’t change his mind, and they want to wait until he’s old enough to truly know. People DO change their minds and regret transitioning, and the mom wants to save her kid from that
imagine being old enough to not need consent. But not having the money for it. :C I hope I can save this much money to finally get rid of them.
Of course this was published 9 months ago
I can understand how the kid was worried about his parents reactions on his binding. I'm someone who is currently agender and is questioning genderfluid and nonbinary as well. I'm 21 and I am still trying to figure out which gender is my gender and if I have no gender at all. While my family on the other hand being Christians' they all see me as a women and call me by my birth name and me not having the heart and just too scared to tell them. It can be very scary cause they will look at you like you are crazy and take you to see a therapist at a drop of a dime.
You ever think you’re being used?
In some angles in it yes while they are here when I am in trouble or something happened. But I will never be what they wish for me to be caused I was damaged so much as a child just like alot of people@@achaudhari101
Let’s say they do the surgery, since the body is still in development, wouldn’t it need to be consistently redone until puberty is over?
Depends entirely on the genetics and that's why check ins and therapy are done to adjust as they transition. But it's also come out more in recent years that the only people who regret changes made to their bodies were when they were minors who went into surgery too quickly. Some people want an immediate solution to fix how they feel. Sometimes it's not that simple.
"I cannot go through this again" she says when it was the kid who almost died. Sad thing is some parents really are this self centered.
3:06 “They won’t let me play for the guys soccer team ⚽️”
Because your biologically female body wouldn’t be able to keep up with the testosterone filled biological boys, even if you did take testosterone yourself, it still wouldn’t be enough 🤦♀️
(Seriously, the Lia Thomas situation is bad enough 😑)
Agree!!!! We have different gender sports for a reason!!
Getting on HRT will make him compete with the biological males lmao what have u never done any research? and hes most likely not doing it professionally just to affirm his gender as sports is typically male associated
@@Lilithotwnah bc men have different bone structures and stronger tendons denser and thicker skin and naturally have more drive to “fight” and whatever alot of other things too that i’m too lazy to type but it’s true
(hrt would obviously make a woman stronger but not nearly as strong as a male would be)
@@ThickWalrus HRT changes literally all of those.
Males dont naturally have a drive to fight that’s entirely a social condition. They can be more aggressive I wouldn’t say that’s the same as a drive to fight but thay also changes due to HRT as the brain itself undergoes neuroplasticity even before HRT but many neurologists agree even aggression can be socially conditioned
Every single thing u listed is almost entirely due to testosterone which is what HRT for trans men gives which alters cellular DNA changing it activating parts and turning off other parts. Bone structure alters if they start early enough (pre 18ish). Tendons will become more dense due to testosterone, skin thickening is literally one of the first changes. There’s only very few things HRT is unable to change thay being actual reproductive organs, bones except skull and hip past 18-21 and other minor things.
@@Lilithotw nah it’d help strengthen them but would not nearly put them on the psychical level as a natural male
Wait a minute, arent hormones and surgery illegal for minors anyway (aside from very few exceptions) ??? Even if the doctor wanted to, he wouldnt be allowed to. Or am i wrong?
What's the name and where can I watch this?
Transplant peacock
BIG OOF when that doctor said, "transgenderED" with a HARD "ED" on the end💀
I love that the doctor is being so supportive and educating Dani and his mom ❤
I don't understand why people are against kids transitioning. As someone who is trans myself (non binary), if I knew who I was at a younger age, I would've started horormones earlier than I did now.
It’s not safe
@@animegirl0247 There are risks yes but they’re willing to take them
The number of people detransitioning should help you find the answer to your question. A lot of kids are / can be influenced to do it and they often do not know what the consequences will be.
Either way, KIDS should not be allowed to do it. ADULTS can do whatever they want.
@Cerus98Especially due to certain outside influences
@@LunaStarlight35And the ones who took that risk and regretted it, noticed how they've been silenced?
How does he sound like that when It’s implied he hasn’t even started T yet? Makes no sense
vocal training
Definitely vocal training as I have a few trans male friends who have transitioned to male or are starting transitioning as one has been on T for years and has recently had top surgery and is waiting to get bottom surgery and he has the vocal range of a male and I have a trans friend who is still female but identifies as male did vocal training to sound male before going on T, I always struggle saying the full name as I do struggle with big words due to being Autistic with ADHD so if I say testost but struggle finishing it, a friend helps say the word
They just wanted to be safe in case the guy regrets later. A lot of people who transitioned regretted it afterward. Look it up.
The regret rate is at like 1%, and an even smaller amount *stay* detransitioned.
Rates of detransition are extremely minuscule compared to the high numbers of people who have said that they don't have any regrets.
The only help they need is to accept who they were born as not what they think they are.
i cant tell if u mean this in a transphobic way or something else
@@pancakedev6 helping someone accept reality of what science can and cant do vs telling them they can be whatever they feel like. Ones mean the other is reality, its not being phobic to tell them not to mutilate themselves over how they feel. I feel depressed and anxious, so should i just end it already because my brain says do it?
@@JRSping alright then
It truly blows my mind that there are so many comments supporting children under 18 transitioning. So uneducated on the body & mental health and just plain delusional. Smfh. 🥴🤦🏼♀️
letting kids social transition saves so many lives.
If I were to say what is on my mind I would get blacklisted tis' the season to be jolly
He’s still developing even if he did get top surgery wouldn’t they grow again as they keep developing
Breasts are incredibly sensitive to hormones so yes under the typical female hormone profile they still develop until 17-18 however under a male hormone profile (getting him on testosterone HRT and oestrogen blockers) the breasts would stop developing
This is a difficult subject. I think that a person should wait until they have past puberty and have at least become an adult bef9re making changes that cannot be undone. While some are happy, there are many untold storeis of those who go on to regret the decision. Difficult topic.
You've got your choice of words mixed up here. MANY are happy, some regret. Detransition is insanely rare within the trans community, and a sizeable chunk of that minority don't even detransition because they aren't trans. They detransition because of discrimination, societal/family pressure and so on.
The whole point of the hormones at 13-14 are because you go on blockers right before puberty starts so that way you don’t have to go through the wrong puberty which makes you want to die every single day through that 7 years of changes I definitely believe surgery should be not until 18 but hormones are what keeps people alive or wanting to live.
@@eusinohaits not rare it happens more than you think the so called loving and accepting trans community just silences them via death threats and bullying
@@midnight_x_editsIt literally is rare???? There's been surveys taken (anonymously) that include detransitioners, and the absolute max is 8% (13% if you count people who temporarily detransitioned if i remember correctly).
It is not common for trans people to detransition, and those who HAVE detransitioned have been interviewed, and the more common reason is because of their outside environment being unsafe. There's no credible source for frequent detransition, even if you look at casual areas where detrans' organize, like the detrans subreddit, (which is most definitely full of people who never transitioned to begin with), they're still under 13% compared to trans communities in the same area.
Detransitioners is a fast growing group. Even one person who has removed their body part is one too many.
I 100% support transgender rights but 13 is way too young to decide. His brain isn't fully developed, decision making is still iffy, when he's an adult, he can make the decision for himself
As a transgender person, you can start transitioning whenever [clothing, haircuts, pronouns, etc]. But transitioning medically, thirteen is TOO early. Testosterone and estrogen are both reversible, so I’m not so worried about them, but SURGERY IS AN ADULT CHOICE. Not only is it life threatening, detransitioning, while rare, can also happen.
I agree that 13 is probably too young for top surgery, but I also don't know if we should really bringing legislation into the medical field. I just think it's best to make these kinds of things less political and let them stay between patients and doctors.
13 may be too young for surgery - a transfem nonbinary person however they should still have a right to wear binders and have access to meds that stop from growing. However surgery is... I mean it's - such a rough depression phase when you feel like your body is wrong especially that young. Its rough. But blockers, binders, and clothes are a big help.
Puberty blockers should be illegal. Giving a child chemicals to stop their natural growth is criminal
the fact that is even considered is discuting what the f is happening to the world honestly everyones going mental
Trans men aren't men.
Yes they are.
Top or bottom surgery should be illegal before 18! The cases of minors who now suffer deep regret after transitioning provides enough evidence for to support this. If someone have already struggled with issues surrounding gender identity, , imagine how devastating it could be a second time?
No one under age is getting bottom surgery
It should be up to doctors and their parents.
What 'cases'? Show examples. Detransitioners disagree with you and still support the ability to freely transition as a minor.
@@strangerinastrangeland3613they absolutely do not
I've known of at least one person under the age of 18 who underwent bottom surgery
i think each trans family should be able to decide for themselves. BUt a 13 year old kid saying he knows whats good for him and his body, then almost dying because you bought meds off some dude at the gym......yeah this kid should not be trusted to make ANY medical decisions himself
CPS should get involved at this point.
tbh that kid was my childhood transition goals
You mean the kid who bought illegal drugs and hormones off the street and got himself put into a hospital? Nice goals
@@Amanda_Woodward the way he looks
It looks like new Amsterdam but it’s not
Its called Transplant, they film in Montreal
I love watching MD TV scenes based on transitioning it definitely hits home for me. Btw it's loved ones thinking it's a phase that's part ofwhy the transgender worldwide suicide attempt rate is almost 50%.... I went thru that my whole childhood. Feeling caught in between is such a true feeling for trans people too.
Jonathan!