@@francosamericanmusings1560 you can't knock it unless you have tried it. There's a lot to benefit from it, and I think that's why a lot of people talk about it.
He goes to his safe zone. He doesn’t understand striking nearly as much as he understands bjj, so it’s easier for him to make a comparison based on jiu jitsu
It's like a cult between them. You can thank Gracie for that lol. I definitely respect bjj but most of the guys who train in it love to show it off. Or casuals who just started. Bit like crossfit
@@Meta_Meech I left out wushu Sanda! That style is also very effective! The hell with MMA LOL watching a wushu Sanda competition is mind-blowing! I have never seen a style of kickboxing incorporate wrestling with such fluidity. I cannot figure out how wushu Sanda is not as popular in the US as it should be? And those mother effers pump out that sidekick like nobody's business! Cung lee was the fighter that first started competing in that particular kickboxing Style within the US and China and he was very good at it and he had all the tools to enter the MMA world and obviously did very well! Wushu Sanda is awesome
@@williambreen4290 I actually do Sanda as well. And yeah Cung Le is who inspired me as well. Kickboxing in general just never took off here dont know why
@Lobster Johnson Europens did not invent boxing. Lol, that’s white washed history. There’s evidence in Egypt & even china that definitely shows it’s been around before Europe.
What because they are the only two Thai boxers you know ya casual? Both a decade out of their prime. Way more exciting young Thais on the scene to talk about
maybe because they're both institutions in the sport? Joe used Dekkers as an example of dutch kickboxing, and guess what, Dekkers has been dead for 6 years
The K-1 was dutch teratory. They won 15 of the 18 K-1 championships that where held from 1993/2006. Those wore great year for the dutch and there fans. Thai is brutal. Love them both
@GlasgowBlueBear1690 Yes that Savage guy was very good and Savage is a very effective form of fighting....but when Dekkers fought him he fought the whole fight southpaw because he couldn't use his right leg after multiple surgeries.
Basic breakdown Thai style: Close range for clinching/elbows/knees+Long range for high kicks Dutch style: Mid range for boxing combinations that usually set up the leg kick
@@Josh_Jackson hoast and rob kaman got a word for you they were beating big muy Thai champions Dutch master the low kick muy Thai was more elbow high kick clinch but it’s like 1A 1B
I'm a Muay Thai practitioner, however I do love Dutch kickboxing combinations just for the for the boxing to leg kick combos. Being that boxing isn't the biggest staple in Muay thai
Really glad to hear that. I am sick to freaking death of all these dudes that say: they love to fight, they're about that life, the streets & money over everything, etc. And none of em will join a gym & get paid to fight. Like they'd rather fight in the parking lot for no money vs fight in a sport & get paid.
@Meso Phyl That first sentence is absolutely false. Every culture is in constant flux (if you know history) and the human brain is like a muscle, it can be built by mental exercise. Intelligence can change if you put in the work.
Its all in the fighter, but it has been proven the Dutch school is very effective. The art of low kicks and boxing combinations works in any form of kickboxing, whether on muay-Thai, Glory, K1 or whatever rules. If you have that base you can add clinching, elbows, etc. Several Dutch fighters have proven that in the past, beating Thai champions in matches held in Thailand. And you even see Thai fighters like Buakaw adopting some of that style. Because it works.
Ramon Dekker was bullied hard in Thailand. Sending him off to airports 500miles from the arena just a day before the fight so he would have to ride backroads through the jungle for f*ckin up his pre contest prep. Still he would beat the flesh off their bones every time he stepped into the ring after he was treated like that. He’s the best Dutch/Western Thai boxer we ever had! Rob Kaman was one of the best Dutch kickboxers but less known by the public.
They really did that? I hate hearing stories like this. It just makes the whole country look horrible. Its Unnecessary, no need to pull dirty tactics, just let the man with the best skills win. Period.
phantom_mist17 Sadly they did, it was away to preserve / protect their Thai bred champion from loosing to a western kid because Thailand is the birthplace of the sport so it was also a case of bringing shame upon the nation if their Champions would be defeated by anyone other than a Thai.
@@phantom_mist1726 they did, and he also didnt hardly ever get the decision in close fights thats why he never won a stadium title but even 20 years after he fought there every taxicabdriver knows his name. the man is a legend over there because they do recognize him as one of the greats
both styles are really great tbh these dutch power boxing combo's arent really fun to get hit with but going round after round with these thai's i would also never do that unless you wanna have a wheelchair
@@marijnvdtoom2675 the problem is that the lighter guys don't have a one hitter quitter. Thais can usually dismantle their boxing by endlessly use the hard left kick. In heavyweights they just hit too hard, sooner or later you will get caught if your boxing isn't good
Joe you’re forgetting that when a lot of top thai fighters get knocked out by foreign fighters, it’s mainly in kickboxing rules where the Thais can’t use elbows and clinch
Muay thai is incorporated into Dutch kickboxing too, the owner and several sensais who taught kickboxing at the Dutch gym I used to fight at travelled to Thailand somewhat regularly to learn and brush up on techniques and such.
Cus Muay Thai is the best standing style. It’s not surprising those sensais have come to learn Muay Thai in Thailand before incorporating the elements in Dutch kickboxing 😂
@@kesenaememere8520 Muay Thai is honestly the most well rounded standing martial art. Boxing has the best hands undeniably and kickboxing has the best kicks imo but the way Muay Thai brings it all together is brilliant.
@@darius1448 Muay Thai’s head movement isn’t the best, they don’t have an exit strategy, I give them props on their endurance but they simply try and keep taking blows rather than dodge etc as I’ve seen
I honestly prefer the Dutch Style. I've done both Muay Thai & Dutch & I would say Dutch is more my style because it focuses more on the boxing combinations & hardcore low kicks. I'm not much of a mid - high kicker myself, so I feel that Dutch bests suits my strengths.
MrRijsewijk no he isn’t. Semmy Schilt, Peter Aerts, Remy Bonjasky, Ernesto Hoost, Rob Kaman and so many more Dutch fighters that I can’t name rival Dekkers. Peter Aerts and Semmy Schilt for example are much better than Dekkers.
Tadutadutadu Loco I’m not. I’m comparing fighters and their p4p records. All heavyweights that I have listed beat most of the best kickboxers ever seen on the planet.
Perhaps the best style depends on the individual. Someone with good punches and low kicks may prefer the Dutch style. And someone with good body kicks, elbows, clinch work, and trips may prefer the Thai style. Amazing fighters from both styles.
A lot of it here in The Netherlands is basically a combination of Dutch Kickboxing and Muay Thai. So it's Muay Thai Kickboxing. It's both of them blended together. You learn elbows, knees and the Muay Thai clinch in combination with Dutch Kickboxing where you learn better boxing techniques along with everything kickboxing and muay thai. This is because in traditional Muay Thai the boxing technique is really lacking. So now you are a Muay Thai Kick boxer with great kicking/kneeing/clinching techniques as well as knowing how to box.
@@boobooterry8569 not better, but there is a lot of emphasis on low-kicks in the Dutch style. Look at Ernesto Hoost, Rob Kaman etc. thai fighers don’t use low kicks that much (with some exceptions). In general more middle kicks. As a non-flexible person I mostly rely on my lowxkicks 😉
there were some real monsters during the golden era of muay thai both thais and foreigners (farangs) absolute beasts in the old days and it shocks me that people don't give those warriors more credit.
@@UnderDog-hh6by if those english cunts didnt beat us a long time ago, you would be speaking dutch in this comment section. it aint much if it aint dutch
Dutch Kickboxing is a more "hybrid" style. It incorporates a lot of western boxing, bunch of Kyokushin Karate leg techniques and the muay thai low kicks and knee work in the clinch.
From the comment section, and every fight forum on the interwebs: _"If Ramon Dekkers didn't win on KO he would lose by points to the thais, a lot of times he was better but still lost on points."_ Untrue, yet constantly regurgitated. Ramon dekkers did very well, but he did not beat thais at their own game, he went toe-to-toe with them. Very impressive feat, but to say that he was a superior fighter compared to thais is simply not factually correct. Yes; he was robbed once or twice, but that does not reflect back on the entirety of his fighting career, which spanned the course of many years.
Thank you. Jesus, some of these comments got me worried about the fanbase. They ought to know more farang fighters like Danny Bill than just praising Ramon like he was a messiah.
I hear you. Though Ramon is a legend in the Netherlands, rightfully so if I might add, chauvinism always plays a big part. He undeniably played a big part in the rise of Dutch kickboxing. I mean the guy got a freaking award from the king of Thailand for his contributions to the sport which, I'm going to guess they don't hand out to everyone That being said yes I agree he was far from flawless also he was plagued by quite some injuries which didn't do him any favor in the ring.
😆🤣😂 From your name I'm guessing you're Korean or of Korean decent? I know absolutely nothing about the Korean and Thai languages, if they are related in any way. I think generally speaking though Europeans struggle A LOT with the Thai names. They're so long and complicated 🤯😳... of course if you love Muay Thai ❤💛💚 you're gonna learn those names so I'm guessing Rogan's not a super fan! The funniest though: when the Muay Thai fight uploads are on Thai TH-cam channels and the match ups (& everything else!) is written in Thai only. The only word I can make out is vs. 😁! I haven't a clue who's fighting unless I recognise somebody in the thumbnail pic so it's full of surprises. So I don't know who's fighting and I don't understand anything the commentators are saying (except "teep") but it's a really interesting language (I hear a lot of o-ho) and a beautiful alphabet!
@@Combavski lol I know dude, Thai names are super complicated to laymen such as myself; and you hit the nail on the head with my ethnicity! Holy crap this response was from 6 months ago. TH-cam chat system sucks ass.
Dutch Style has awsome boxing, but clinch in Muay Thai overcomes boxing, and kicks beat punching exeption heavy weight classes. So Muay Thai is more complete
@@abubakari3833 yeah a recently put a sparring class together of Dutch style vs Muay Thai and the kicks in Thai beat the punching in Dutch, so I'm leaning towards Muay Thai now 😂
When we talk about MMA, I think about things in terms of college majors and minors. You'll be best off majoring in the skills that you'll use the most, and minoring to fill the holes in your game. This will lead you to emphasize your boxing and wrestling, then to add muay thai and jiu jitsu. If I was doing Greco-Roman wrestling, though, I would emphasize Muay Thai clinchwork since they mesh so well. As far as pure kickboxing goes, though, I favor Dutch.
well to be honest Dany Bill didnt fight the same p4p elite Thai fighters he fought some great ones but they were not on the same level as Ramons opponents
Joe was comparing a Muay Thai fighter against a kickboxer under kickboxing rules where the clinch and elbows are take away from the Thai fighter. A better comparison is a Muay Thai fighter against a kicboxer under Muay Thai rules. More things are allowed and kickboxers are usually still taught elements of Muay Thai since they they often compete in Muay Thai rules from time to time.
Enjoy watching Buakaw (amazing), Cro Cop and many other greats, but for me, the greatest kickboxer of all times is still Benny "The Jet" Urquidez - way before UFC, Benny was battling the world and destroying legends...
Well yes joe he flat lined him... in a kickboxing fight... this means the thai can't clinch, elbow or knee to the head. How is that a fair comparison of styles when they take away half of a fights tool. Just my 2 cents
Yes, you can clinch... no more than 3 seconds tho so therefore you can't knee as much. That doesn't mean you can't knee, you can... but the clinch is what enables a lot of knees and elbows (which are also not allowed).
One thing that JRE really misses is that Glory is K1 rules which is not Muay Thai so Thai fighters are at a disadvantage and have to work really hard to switch their game up. Guys like Sittichai who can compete at a high level in both K1 and Muay Thai are rare.
The dutch way is great. I am a dutchman and did kickboxing for a few years, just for extra stamina for my sport. When we train in Holland we get drilled during trainings. Great basics from boxing, but do not underestimate the kicks and knees from people from a dutch kickboxing school. You get drilled also and i loved to train on that. ( and ofcourse the sparring sessions)😀Btw the thai way is also great! Sorry for bad English, but i am just a proud dutch guy. It is really nice to see that the dutch style is respected so much. Have a nice Day fellas 😀😀💪✌
Dany Bill is the greatest Muay Thai fighter ever. 115-11 all-time, was NEVER KO'd, all his losses were by decision from biased judges. Beat multiple Stadium champions, with victories vs Ramon Dekkers, Nokweed Devy, Pananolek, Saimai Suk & Den Murang Surin.
There are indeed a few differences, like the Dutch tend to keep on moving forward, thereby keeping continious pressure. Typical combinations like left/right/liver punch followed by a low kick, low kicks aimed at the inside of the knees. They also aim for the kill. Thai fighters tend to start slow, using more knees and elbows, they clinch more and use more kicks than punches. Personally I prefer the Dutch style.
Dutch style is a mix of muay thai, TKD, karate, and American style kickboxing. Asking if muay thai is better is like asking if muay thai is better than MMA.
Stephen Thompson is karate based not dutch style. Alistair is from a Dutch school but has adapted his striking to mma. Antoni Hardonk imo has the best example of kickboxing in the UFC. Mauy Thai closest to that is probably Joanna.
Its not the athlete, the only reason any "dutch style" fighter survives against Thais is because there are no elbows, no clinch, no sweeps and the scoring is as basic as possible. There's a reason even if you take away half of the Thais weapons they still leather everyone and its their style. Buakaw, Sittitchai, Petchpanomrung, Thongchai, Superbon, Tawanchai, Nong-O, Saenchai. Theyre on a different level to "dutch style."
Fighting in close corners advantages Muay Thai clinch work & elbows. Fighting at punching range advantages Dutch kickboxing due to the higher premium placed on boxing combinations.
The thing is in the 90’s when you fought in some stinking arena in Thailand you had to KO the Thai fighter in order to win because the judges being all Thai ofcourse and the organizers would just give the win to the Thai fighters if it became a decision, multiple fighters that went there have said this…
Hello from Thailand 🇹🇭 The things i always see from muay-thai match is clinch and knee for first priority; we fight in 5 rounds so you gonna see punch and kick in 1-2 round but after that is like clinching and knee strike match jam with kick and elbow.
@@samathyos1277 yeah, someone said without gamblers the boxing ring will be half empty or worse. Gambling is good/bad for business. My point is gambling affects a fighting style because almost all i can see is clinch and knee strike; sometime it kinda boring.
Ever since I transitioned out of Wing Chun, I've been taking an amazing combination of striking arts that work really well together. I've been studying Muay Thai the longest, and it's a great close quarters striking system that I enhance with occasional trapping techniques and get around my opponents guard. Then for mid-range I started studying Dutch style kickboxing, which is great for mid-range combos and really good hand techniques when kicking isn't very practical or higher risk (i.e. against grapplers) Then I recently started taking Savate, which is awesome for kick variety and long range attacks. I'm still leaning the ins and outs of savate but so far it flows really nicely between the other striking arts. I'd like to eventually learn more grappling but I need to finish incorporating all of this together first.
Boss, you're killin' it! In South Africa we've got a 'style' called PK - Poes Klap - It's literally a classic debilitating ear slap executed with OTT excessive force. Show stopper in most cases.
@@rambonatorrrr6694 those are delivered to the cheek, this one bursts ear drums, like I said, show stopper. The palm is slightly cupped to create the necessary over-pressure. Not a Will Smith tickle.
I'm really just surprised Joe seems oblivious to that thought. Like he has never considered it. But he was probably just specifically answering the question.
I have two Muay Thai coaches, one is more Thai style one is more Dutch. We work with the clinch/knees/elbows a lot more in Thai, speed orientation., in Dutch it’s a lot more punch and power combination based
One name, MANSON GIBSON. Destroyed all the Thai champions, was a 158lb fighter who gave up 52lbs to Ernesto Hoost in the K1 and got robbed. Joe, look this guy up he was doing & winning MMA in Japan before the UFC ever existed. True martial artists, whats crazy was that he came from a traditional Kung Fu. This guy doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
It suprised Thai boxers I was able to break there clinches and counter with goju ryu now I train Dutch kickboxing which I love both Thai and Dutch style also Dutch style has clinch and elbows and knees too I find there better at boxing and use it to set up there kicks and Thais focus more on clinch but it matters on the person
@@MB98164 Kickboxing in the form of k1 and no clinch. But kickboxing isn't one sport or rule set its multiple. Muay thai is the most well known indo chinese kickboxing styles. Muay thai predates all forms of modern kickboxing yeah!
The martial arts and the effectiveness comes down to the individuals ability, that is how it is and will always be, enough with obsessing over style , it comes down to the person wielding the weapon
The best kickboxers in Holland these days are Moroccans🇲🇦; Badr Hari, Jamal Ben Saddik, Mohammed Jaraya, Hamicha, Tyjani Bouztati, Zakaria Zouggary, Ilias Ennahachi, Ismael Lazaar, Imad Hadar, Ilias Bulaid.....
First of all: Nieky Holzken & Rico Verhoeven are better than all of them, so it's not true. Second of all: more Moroccan guys will try to make it big in fighting than Dutch guys, because Dutch guys prefer going for stable careers such as being programmers/lawyers/etc. rather than risking their livelihood on fighting.
Seanchai fight 340 fights and win 294 times. We are lukky that the Thai fighters stay in Thailand , Camodia and Laos, otherwise Dave Le Duc , Seanchai , Namsaknoi and Petboonchu kill all our westers heroes. And let's be happy that Buakaw is getting old. Greeting's from a Dutch Kickboxer
What about a y-wing? And the correlian corvette had room and could still maneuver! Wait I forgot what topic I was supposed to be on. Oh well, may the shwartz be with you!
I've trained both styles and did taekwondo all of them have their place. The Thai style felt like it was most effective overall but the Dutch style has better combos and taekwondo is great for tricking opponents and learning how to blitz in and out but the roundhouses and side kicks lack the same power as a Muay Thai round house or teep kick. It's really hard to say without a doubt what works best because they all have different strengths and weaknesses requiring different strategies.
I have a hybrid style I mix Dutch kickboxing Muay Thai and a little bit of karate into my style it works very well and I work with a boxing coach once a week Aswell works well for me
@@mitchjames9350 yeah very similar kicks I like to use the Dutch style low kick but use the Thai style round house for the body and the head but I like to use the Dutch guard but when out distance I use the Thai style of guard
The Dutch are better at boxing and combinations, the Thais are better at kicking, elbows and clinches.
Eens
The Dutch guys TKOs people with leg kicks
@@701garage Thais do too.
Facts
@KrO Ramon Deckers was the same size
Even when kick boxing is being discussed...
Joe still finds a way to bring up BJJ...
If there's one thing I can't stand about BJJ guys...
@@francosamericanmusings1560 you can't knock it unless you have tried it. There's a lot to benefit from it, and I think that's why a lot of people talk about it.
To be fair i think that by now people should just not be surprised by it anymore. For me is ok. He needed a comparative and he really loves bjj.
He goes to his safe zone. He doesn’t understand striking nearly as much as he understands bjj, so it’s easier for him to make a comparison based on jiu jitsu
It's like a cult between them. You can thank Gracie for that lol. I definitely respect bjj but most of the guys who train in it love to show it off. Or casuals who just started. Bit like crossfit
There were some REALLY fast Thai fighters in Star Wars.
@@champ8605 he really needs to get laid
@Bill P holy projection batman
@@estebanbarajas9981 I'd say his dad does a good enough job.
Vader was the goat Thai fighter.
😂😂😂
Muay Thai, Western boxing, Dutch kickboxing! Those three cross-trained are Dynamic compliments to each other! That combination is King
100% agree. I do all 3
@@Meta_Meech I left out wushu Sanda! That style is also very effective! The hell with MMA LOL watching a wushu Sanda competition is mind-blowing! I have never seen a style of kickboxing incorporate wrestling with such fluidity. I cannot figure out how wushu Sanda is not as popular in the US as it should be? And those mother effers pump out that sidekick like nobody's business! Cung lee was the fighter that first started competing in that particular kickboxing Style within the US and China and he was very good at it and he had all the tools to enter the MMA world and obviously did very well! Wushu Sanda is awesome
@@williambreen4290 I actually do Sanda as well. And yeah Cung Le is who inspired me as well. Kickboxing in general just never took off here dont know why
@Lobster Johnson Europens did not invent boxing. Lol, that’s white washed history. There’s evidence in Egypt & even china that definitely shows it’s been around before Europe.
Cambodian boxing helps as well.
thought he was gonna talk about Saenchai or Buakaw tbh
Quit your complaining!
GetOhn both still train and work fuck up so many fights
Those seem to be the best known but like others have said they have been fighting forever.
What because they are the only two Thai boxers you know ya casual? Both a decade out of their prime. Way more exciting young Thais on the scene to talk about
maybe because they're both institutions in the sport?
Joe used Dekkers as an example of dutch kickboxing, and guess what, Dekkers has been dead for 6 years
The K-1 was dutch teratory. They won 15 of the 18 K-1 championships that where held from 1993/2006. Those wore great year for the dutch and there fans. Thai is brutal. Love them both
Teratory is not a word.
@@cheesepizza7939 lekker huilen grammar nazi, you know what he means
Moron
Well the thai boxer were not alowed to use their full game.. No elbows n knee
Badr Maghrani how about holsken, dekkers semmy, de lumberjack etc? Just to name a few. Niet zo stoer praten als je niks weet vriend
ramon dekkers was definitely a savage
He grew up from the same neighbourhood as me, very small community, Tuinzicht, Breda. Rip Ramon Dekkers
Should look up Kevin "soul reaper" Ross the guy loves to bang and always bringing the pressure
@GlasgowBlueBear1690 Yes that Savage guy was very good and Savage is a very effective form of fighting....but when Dekkers fought him he fought the whole fight southpaw because he couldn't use his right leg after multiple surgeries.
But outside the ring he was humble and friendly though....
For sure. He made history, a true legend. He went way too soon. RIP Ramon.
Basic breakdown
Thai style: Close range for clinching/elbows/knees+Long range for high kicks
Dutch style: Mid range for boxing combinations that usually set up the leg kick
Thai has better leg kicks, throws, and leg kick throws!
Dutch are also tall, making mid range ideal
@@Josh_Jackson hoast and rob kaman got a word for you they were beating big muy Thai champions Dutch master the low kick muy Thai was more elbow high kick clinch but it’s like 1A 1B
@@Channel-23s Agreed. I cant argue with that.
Muay matt style is better than Dutch kick-boxing which is a lesser copy
I'm a Muay Thai practitioner, however I do love Dutch kickboxing combinations just for the for the boxing to leg kick combos. Being that boxing isn't the biggest staple in Muay thai
Man the first decent Muay Thai guy to meld the Dutch way into his game would make waves. You've got a lot to gain from each other.
You love them because you never fought even mid level Muay Thai or MMA
@@boobooterry8569 huh?
@@theawesomest2850 Dutch 'combinations ' are garbage for Muay Thai , MMA or the street.
@@boobooterry8569 You clearly do not practice any of these arts
on a serious note, I've seen MMA turn thugs into disciplined, upstanding members of society. Big respect!
Really glad to hear that. I am sick to freaking death of all these dudes that say: they love to fight, they're about that life, the streets & money over everything, etc. And none of em will join a gym & get paid to fight. Like they'd rather fight in the parking lot for no money vs fight in a sport & get paid.
Yeah Connors really turned his life around
Kimbo
CokeBoiiMontana well said
@Meso Phyl That first sentence is absolutely false. Every culture is in constant flux (if you know history) and the human brain is like a muscle, it can be built by mental exercise. Intelligence can change if you put in the work.
Its all in the fighter, but it has been proven the Dutch school is very effective.
The art of low kicks and boxing combinations works in any form of kickboxing, whether on muay-Thai, Glory, K1 or whatever rules.
If you have that base you can add clinching, elbows, etc.
Several Dutch fighters have proven that in the past, beating Thai champions in matches held in Thailand.
And you even see Thai fighters like Buakaw adopting some of that style. Because it works.
So it Muay thai and this has been proven by muay thai fighters beating up kickboxers and dutch fighters incorporating so much muay thai
i wouldn't say its fantastic and elbows added quikly but you will never see a k1 guy clinching on thai level NEVER
@@user-pd9ju5dk5s clinching is like a whole martial ort on its own
The Dutch style originated from Kyokushin.
You nailed it!
Ramon Dekker was bullied hard in Thailand. Sending him off to airports 500miles from the arena just a day before the fight so he would have to ride backroads through the jungle for f*ckin up his pre contest prep. Still he would beat the flesh off their bones every time he stepped into the ring after he was treated like that. He’s the best Dutch/Western Thai boxer we ever had! Rob Kaman was one of the best Dutch kickboxers but less known by the public.
They really did that? I hate hearing stories like this. It just makes the whole country look horrible. Its Unnecessary, no need to pull dirty tactics, just let the man with the best skills win. Period.
phantom_mist17 Sadly they did, it was away to preserve / protect their Thai bred champion from loosing to a western kid because Thailand is the birthplace of the sport so it was also a case of bringing shame upon the nation if their Champions would be defeated by anyone other than a Thai.
@@phantom_mist1726 they did, and he also didnt hardly ever get the decision in close fights thats why he never won a stadium title but even 20 years after he fought there every taxicabdriver knows his name. the man is a legend over there because they do recognize him as one of the greats
They sent people to his gyms to spy and take note of what he was working on aswell
Yeah I’m not surprised they tried all tricks in the book to make Ramon loose the fight ! He was a beast in Thailand 💪🏻👌🏻
If you're a heavyweight, Dutch style. If you're welterweight or under, Thai style.
both styles are really great tbh these dutch power boxing combo's arent really fun to get hit with but going round after round with these thai's i would also never do that unless you wanna have a wheelchair
@@marijnvdtoom2675 the problem is that the lighter guys don't have a one hitter quitter.
Thais can usually dismantle their boxing by endlessly use the hard left kick.
In heavyweights they just hit too hard, sooner or later you will get caught if your boxing isn't good
@@TheKickboxingCommunity thats true my mate but maybe it also depends on the fighter
@@marijnvdtoom2675 sure. Remy Bonjasky would be an exception
@@TheKickboxingCommunity with what?
Joe you’re forgetting that when a lot of top thai fighters get knocked out by foreign fighters, it’s mainly in kickboxing rules where the Thais can’t use elbows and clinch
Muay thai is incorporated into Dutch kickboxing too, the owner and several sensais who taught kickboxing at the Dutch gym I used to fight at travelled to Thailand somewhat regularly to learn and brush up on techniques and such.
Cus Muay Thai is the best standing style. It’s not surprising those sensais have come to learn Muay Thai in Thailand before incorporating the elements in Dutch kickboxing 😂
@@iROChakri no it's not don't be a Muay Thai fanboy no striking is complete nor the best.
@@kesenaememere8520 Muay Thai is honestly the most well rounded standing martial art. Boxing has the best hands undeniably and kickboxing has the best kicks imo but the way Muay Thai brings it all together is brilliant.
@@darius1448 Muay Thai’s head movement isn’t the best, they don’t have an exit strategy, I give them props on their endurance but they simply try and keep taking blows rather than dodge etc as I’ve seen
@@tableprinterdoor exactly, they'd get exposed badly in a boxing match.
I honestly prefer the Dutch Style. I've done both Muay Thai & Dutch & I would say Dutch is more my style because it focuses more on the boxing combinations & hardcore low kicks. I'm not much of a mid - high kicker myself, so I feel that Dutch bests suits my strengths.
the thing with Thailand is go there where there are no popular arenas and youll find the most savage guys that are not interested in fame
Even the most monster of Muay Thai fighters are probably found at markets selling produce
I just watched a Ramon Dekkers video, Holy shit that dude was savage.
Best dutch fighter ever.
RIP
When I used to kickbox I used to watch his videos to hype me up. Just like boxers like watching Tyson videos, Dekkers was my hype man.
MrRijsewijk no he isn’t. Semmy Schilt, Peter Aerts, Remy Bonjasky, Ernesto Hoost, Rob Kaman and so many more Dutch fighters that I can’t name rival Dekkers. Peter Aerts and Semmy Schilt for example are much better than Dekkers.
Otto Von Bismarck You can’t compare heavyweights tot welterweights.
Tadutadutadu Loco I’m not. I’m comparing fighters and their p4p records. All heavyweights that I have listed beat most of the best kickboxers ever seen on the planet.
Perhaps the best style depends on the individual. Someone with good punches and low kicks may prefer the Dutch style. And someone with good body kicks, elbows, clinch work, and trips may prefer the Thai style. Amazing fighters from both styles.
A lot of it here in The Netherlands is basically a combination of Dutch Kickboxing and Muay Thai. So it's Muay Thai Kickboxing. It's both of them blended together. You learn elbows, knees and the Muay Thai clinch in combination with Dutch Kickboxing where you learn better boxing techniques along with everything kickboxing and muay thai. This is because in traditional Muay Thai the boxing technique is really lacking. So now you are a Muay Thai Kick boxer with great kicking/kneeing/clinching techniques as well as knowing how to box.
Wangchannoi veeraphol samart and somrak say differently
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Always loved Dutch kickboxers for them Nasty finishing low kicks !!
Baz Rutten knows that shit
Are they better then these? th-cam.com/video/10PTzrbWLe0/w-d-xo.html
@@boobooterry8569 not better, but there is a lot of emphasis on low-kicks in the Dutch style. Look at Ernesto Hoost, Rob Kaman etc. thai fighers don’t use low kicks that much (with some exceptions). In general more middle kicks. As a non-flexible person I mostly rely on my lowxkicks 😉
there were some real monsters during the golden era of muay thai both thais and foreigners (farangs) absolute beasts in the old days and it shocks me that people don't give those warriors more credit.
A lot of people do not know
I'm Thai and I like Ramon Decker
I am dutch, not no kickboxer, but a weedsmoker.
Light it up!
Juist ik rol er ook nog maar 1 hahaha
What a ugly language „ik rool er ook nog maar 1“ 😂😂😂😂
@@UnderDog-hh6by
if those english cunts didnt beat us a long time ago, you would be speaking dutch in this comment section.
it aint much if it aint dutch
why not both
Dutch Kickboxing is a more "hybrid" style. It incorporates a lot of western boxing, bunch of Kyokushin Karate leg techniques and the muay thai low kicks and knee work in the clinch.
Question: Best kickboxing: Thai or Dutch?
Answer: *Yes*
Lethwei and sanda
From the comment section, and every fight forum on the interwebs:
_"If Ramon Dekkers didn't win on KO he would lose by points to the thais, a lot of times he was better but still lost on points."_
Untrue, yet constantly regurgitated. Ramon dekkers did very well, but he did not beat thais at their own game, he went toe-to-toe with them. Very impressive feat, but to say that he was a superior fighter compared to thais is simply not factually correct.
Yes; he was robbed once or twice, but that does not reflect back on the entirety of his fighting career, which spanned the course of many years.
Thank you. Jesus, some of these comments got me worried about the fanbase. They ought to know more farang fighters like Danny Bill than just praising Ramon like he was a messiah.
I hear you. Though Ramon is a legend in the Netherlands, rightfully so if I might add, chauvinism always plays a big part. He undeniably played a big part in the rise of Dutch kickboxing. I mean the guy got a freaking award from the king of Thailand for his contributions to the sport which, I'm going to guess they don't hand out to everyone That being said yes I agree he was far from flawless also he was plagued by quite some injuries which didn't do him any favor in the ring.
You’ve been too kind to Dekkers here he hasn’t been robbed by any Thais he’s the one that’s been doing the robbing
I love the Dutch style. It’s like Muay Thai (minus elbows and two-handed clinches) with a teaspoon of Karate and a heaping tablespoon of boxing.
The Dutch style is Kyokushin karate and Boxing with Muay Thai incorporated later on.
Dutch kickboxing + muay thai clintches, knees and elbow is a deadly combination 🙏🏼
I’d rather combine kickboxing with wrestling. I’d rather be an all-round martial artist as opposed to just a striker.
The Thais are still the best in Muay Thai. Dutch are good kickboxers.
Until the Dutch come over and beat them at their own sport
@@WhatsaMOUN and got beaten like a drum in return.
@@gregwong2132 what are u smoking?
@@WhatsaMOUN Dekkers also got whopped by a lot of thai fighters so I don't get what you mean by beating them at their own sport
@@WhatsaMOUN alot of fighters got whooped on both sides, dont know what youre talking about
Bas Rutten was an awesome kickboxer before he did Pancrase...
YEP, we need another podcast with EL_GUAPO
Sitsongpinong is not his name. It is a gym name (in BKK and Phuket). Thai fighters have their name attached to the gym name.
JOE “There’s some GREAT Thai fighters!! Like um... uh... big time fighter... *sniffle*... erm... everyone has merit!” ROGAN
😆🤣😂
From your name I'm guessing you're Korean or of Korean decent? I know absolutely nothing about the Korean and Thai languages, if they are related in any way. I think generally speaking though Europeans struggle A LOT with the Thai names. They're so long and complicated 🤯😳... of course if you love Muay Thai ❤💛💚 you're gonna learn those names so I'm guessing Rogan's not a super fan! The funniest though: when the Muay Thai fight uploads are on Thai TH-cam channels and the match ups (& everything else!) is written in Thai only. The only word I can make out is vs. 😁! I haven't a clue who's fighting unless I recognise somebody in the thumbnail pic so it's full of surprises. So I don't know who's fighting and I don't understand anything the commentators are saying (except "teep") but it's a really interesting language (I hear a lot of o-ho) and a beautiful alphabet!
Joe "He's one of the best ever" Rogan
@@Combavski lol I know dude, Thai names are super complicated to laymen such as myself; and you hit the nail on the head with my ethnicity! Holy crap this response was from 6 months ago. TH-cam chat system sucks ass.
Were even! Buakaw the kickboxing legend and ramon dekkers the muaythai legend!
I love Buakaw but his boxing is not so good, those kicks though... uuggh master!
@@thijst5571 yeah the same way Ramon actually sucked at muay thai which is why he lost most of his fights
with all due respect, dekkers is NOT a muaythai legend, not even close!
Buakaw was better at kickboxing than Dekkers was at Muay Thai
@@randomerror9868 yes he is. even now so many years after he fought, in thailand wen u say holland the thai will reply ''lamon dekkel'' true story
Dekkers, Bonjasky, Saki, Verhoeven, Hari and the list of legends made in the Netherlands goes on like for ever. Dutch kickboxing is just fine.
Badr hari 🇲🇦
Aerts, schild and overheem also
@@marlon6504 schilt has a karate background if I'm not wrong
Absolutely. Rob Kaman, Aerts, Holzken, Hoost, pfff....
@@breyochiona9428 Most Dutch kickboxers have a Kyokushin background. It's the roots of Dutch kickboxing. Osu!
Dutch Style has awsome boxing, but clinch in Muay Thai overcomes boxing, and kicks beat punching exeption heavy weight classes. So Muay Thai is more complete
Try telling that to guys like anuwat kemsworth veerpool samson issan and somrak khamsing because they didn't get the memo.
And let's not forget samart
@@abubakari3833 yeah a recently put a sparring class together of Dutch style vs Muay Thai and the kicks in Thai beat the punching in Dutch, so I'm leaning towards Muay Thai now 😂
@@themoores331 Dutch kick boxing has zero boxing champions and clinching in kickboxing is terrible compared to muay thai.
@@abubakari3833 really good point ,changed my opinion when taught a style clashes
When we talk about MMA, I think about things in terms of college majors and minors. You'll be best off majoring in the skills that you'll use the most, and minoring to fill the holes in your game. This will lead you to emphasize your boxing and wrestling, then to add muay thai and jiu jitsu. If I was doing Greco-Roman wrestling, though, I would emphasize Muay Thai clinchwork since they mesh so well.
As far as pure kickboxing goes, though, I favor Dutch.
Well said! 👍🏻
As good as Dekkers was he never fucked every thai up, he fought lumpinee but never beat all the best in his weight class
Its hard to beat a thai in thailand by decision. At least at that time, many fight he shouldve won
Pyro-Dio he lost a lot of them if you actually watch the fights, idk what people are smoking or they just don’t know how Muay Thai scoring works
John MuayThai scoring is silly.
@@antonihardonk8970 Zozo, de echte Antoni Hardonk???
@@ivynbean yea but if the thais were hurt. The referee came in quick to save them and give them time bro. Watch it
Mr. Dekkers was great at showing tenacity, but if you want a smooth and awe inspiring fighter, look up Dany Bill
Bill was a very slick fighter and did very well in Thailand
Dany Bill was the truth.
well to be honest Dany Bill didnt fight the same p4p elite Thai fighters he fought some great ones but they were not on the same level as Ramons opponents
@@omegasquad868 Well you do know Dany actually beat Ramon when they fought. So I'd say he's just as good if not better.
@@omegasquad868 Bill fought Muangsurin, Coban, Sangtiennoi, Sakmongkol, Nokweed and Dekkers himself
Joe was comparing a Muay Thai fighter against a kickboxer under kickboxing rules where the clinch and elbows are take away from the Thai fighter. A better comparison is a Muay Thai fighter against a kicboxer under Muay Thai rules. More things are allowed and kickboxers are usually still taught elements of Muay Thai since they they often compete in Muay Thai rules from time to time.
then still Ramon Dekkers fucked the Thai's up
Knees is allowed to use in kickboxing!
Well yes but depends on which federation and commission allows it. Most of the time, clinching and elbows are seldomly mentioned in said commissions
Enjoy watching Buakaw (amazing), Cro Cop and many other greats, but for me, the greatest kickboxer of all times is still Benny "The Jet" Urquidez - way before UFC, Benny was battling the world and destroying legends...
Benny's Urquidez ! True Warrior, Pioneer and Legend...
finally somebody with a clue of Kickboxing history
Benny’s a nostalgic name for sure. I knew of The Jet from a few Jackie Chan movies, but I’ve seen his kickboxing highlights
Well yes joe he flat lined him... in a kickboxing fight... this means the thai can't clinch, elbow or knee to the head. How is that a fair comparison of styles when they take away half of a fights tool. Just my 2 cents
donald hussey in kickboxing you ARE allowed to knee. Not sure why people confuse the rules
You can clinch too.
Just not trips and elbows usually.
@@gesshugh9976 in kickboxing you normally can't clinch for more than 3 seconds ?
Yes, you can clinch... no more than 3 seconds tho so therefore you can't knee as much. That doesn't mean you can't knee, you can... but the clinch is what enables a lot of knees and elbows (which are also not allowed).
One thing that JRE really misses is that Glory is K1 rules which is not Muay Thai so Thai fighters are at a disadvantage and have to work really hard to switch their game up.
Guys like Sittichai who can compete at a high level in both K1 and Muay Thai are rare.
Also, he's comparing Thais at 77kg. There is zero competition in thailand at that size.
The dutch way is great. I am a dutchman and did kickboxing for a few years, just for extra stamina for my sport. When we train in Holland we get drilled during trainings. Great basics from boxing, but do not underestimate the kicks and knees from people from a dutch kickboxing school. You get drilled also and i loved to train on that. ( and ofcourse the sparring sessions)😀Btw the thai way is also great! Sorry for bad English, but i am just a proud dutch guy. It is really nice to see that the dutch style is respected so much. Have a nice Day fellas 😀😀💪✌
ERL Kevar84 your English is perfect
@@adb8003 thanks man, im still learning lol😂
"It's the fighter" yep. Says it all. There are so many styles around the world but in the match it is what each fighter carries within.
I would say most of the time Thai style ends up on top
Dany Bill is the greatest Muay Thai fighter ever.
115-11 all-time, was NEVER KO'd, all his losses were by decision from biased judges.
Beat multiple Stadium champions, with victories vs Ramon Dekkers, Nokweed Devy, Pananolek, Saimai Suk & Den Murang Surin.
Liberty City El dany bill was a SAVAGGGGGGEEE
The Kross Hell yeah! The most technically sound Kickboxer I've ever seen. Extremely high fight IQ & elite striking ability.
Amazing fighter.
he was surely great but i would not call him the greatest muay thai fighter ever.
sokmongkol and namsaknoi are way better
The TIE Advanced x1 is the best Tie fighter
Fo real man? You know how much that thing costs?
You'd be much better of buying an entire squadron of Tie defenders
@@nicobruin8618 What about a few Interceptors? I'm sure spending more credits on newer advancements would edge out the defenders.
@@phishENchimps The interceptor is a fine craft as well I agree.
Am I missing something-is Tie interchangeable with Thai?
@@sparklerobinson One can do cool kicks. another can destroy a y-wing before it can make it's attack coordinates.
Simple, as a Dutch guy I will tell u. We rule kickboxing, the Thais rule Muay Thai thats just how it is. Respect to the Thais ✊
So they are two different disciplines?
@@peripheralhandshaker yes, they are. They have some things in common ( a lot actually ). But they are two different disciplines!
I'm a mauythai practitioner and we have better clinching kicks knees elbows but Dutch have better punches and start faster
At my gym we have two coaches, one Traditional Thai and one Dutch so my answer will always be both because I'm a hybrid
In the Netherlands?
ughhh Dekkers did not beat everyone up.... He lost very often.
If dekkers was Thai no-one would know he's name
Rich L get out
Hold on, they all lost often because they fought a ton
@@michael.3378 he lost more than he won
@@fullsend8738 yeah true though he left a lasting impression in Thailand as the first foreigner.
I feel Muay Thai fighters are better at striking and taking pain. They got abs and shins of steel. Like getting hit with a metal bat.
Agree
There are indeed a few differences, like the Dutch tend to keep on moving forward, thereby keeping continious pressure. Typical combinations like left/right/liver punch followed by a low kick, low kicks aimed at the inside of the knees. They also aim for the kill. Thai fighters tend to start slow, using more knees and elbows, they clinch more and use more kicks than punches. Personally I prefer the Dutch style.
muay mat style is better than dutch kick boxing
@@Tungsten-le1wy Better in the clinch and with elbows. That’s basically it. Clinching is not fighting though. It is a way of staying out of trouble.
When joe finaly talks about glory and kickboxing but doesn't talk about rico verhoeven... the best kickboxer alive
must be a new listener, he's mentioned him many times before.
I can only find little snippets of his name never seen him go in dept of what he thinks. The best clip i could find he only talked about badr
Im from holland and been to a few fights of rico, he is one of the best but real boring to watch
No mention off sanchei?
He already did on another podcast
@@VinhLe-gy5xs whenever your talking about the best Thai fighters mate sanchei should always be mentioned he never here
Thanks for mentioning RAMON "THE DIAMOND" DEKKERS! True DUTCH LEGEND, and great guy! R.I.P.
No disrespect to the Thai but the Dutch have taken kickboxing to another level.
Georgio Petrosyan anyone? As a Dutchie I sure do admire Ramon Dekkers.. Or Holzken. But this guy is sooo good
Yeah he's incredibly talented. Hall of Fame material.
His base is Muay Thai
Yes he fought Ray Sefo is the understatement of the year the fight was EPIC!
I prefer a gun. It's much more effective in any fight
so you a pussy who is insecure
Ooo shit, got a tough guy here!
@@Unibot47
It's a joke, fuckface
I can cut a bullet in half with a samurai sword. I do it all the time.
Try pulling a gun if your in fight.
Shooting someone from distance is not a fjght, but murder.
10 vs 1 is also more effective, but not a fight
Dutch style is a mix of muay thai, TKD, karate, and American style kickboxing. Asking if muay thai is better is like asking if muay thai is better than MMA.
Mauy thai is traditional, very tough and stylized. Dutch kickboxing is pragmatic and based on efficiency.
Whats the easiest way to describe these two? I didn’t know there was countries tied to kickboxing
read up on them. Dutch style is a wonderboy type fighter or alistar. Whats the closet muay thai guy in the ufc?
Stephen Thompson is karate based not dutch style. Alistair is from a Dutch school but has adapted his striking to mma. Antoni Hardonk imo has the best example of kickboxing in the UFC.
Mauy Thai closest to that is probably Joanna.
Nederland in het huis, Dutch style is the best style OSU
At kickboxing only
Muay thai*
At mma aswell. Look at bas rutten
Nederland in het huis? Watse kak praat jy
Darryn Jacobs Het is tenminste geen Afrikaans, aka Baby Dutch.
Its not the athlete, the only reason any "dutch style" fighter survives against Thais is because there are no elbows, no clinch, no sweeps and the scoring is as basic as possible. There's a reason even if you take away half of the Thais weapons they still leather everyone and its their style.
Buakaw, Sittitchai, Petchpanomrung, Thongchai, Superbon, Tawanchai, Nong-O, Saenchai. Theyre on a different level to "dutch style."
Petmorakot, Rottang, Superlek, Rotlek. The question you gotta ask yourself is why do the Thais change to kick-boxing and dominate and not vice-versa?
Exactly. The Dutch are just prideful and cant accept reality
Dekkers went to Thailand and still beat Thai fighters uner their own ruleset lmao don't make stuff up now
@@tenaciouscraigDutch fighters tend to be mainly from the higher weightclasses. Very different style from lighter guys
Fighting in close corners advantages Muay Thai clinch work & elbows. Fighting at punching range advantages Dutch kickboxing due to the higher premium placed on boxing combinations.
Joe: "There's some great Thai fighters"
**Darth Vader liked that**
2:18
The thing is in the 90’s when you fought in some stinking arena in Thailand you had to KO the Thai fighter in order to win because the judges being all Thai ofcourse and the organizers would just give the win to the Thai fighters if it became a decision, multiple fighters that went there have said this…
That's a BS excuse because Dekkers both won and lost in Thailand by decision. So the bias youre describing is really exagerrated.
King of kickboxing and most entertaining fighter ever, his name is: Badr Hari! Moroccan who grew up in the Netherlands.
I’ll never know why kickboxing isn’t as big as boxing or mma.
Hello from Thailand 🇹🇭
The things i always see from muay-thai match is clinch and knee for first priority; we fight in 5 rounds so you gonna see punch and kick in 1-2 round but after that is like clinching and knee strike match jam with kick and elbow.
that’s only because of gambling
@@samathyos1277 yeah you can see gamblers waving thier hands all over the place 😂
@@romancing666 it's kinda sad right?
@@samathyos1277 yeah, someone said without gamblers the boxing ring will be half empty or worse. Gambling is good/bad for business. My point is gambling affects a fighting style because almost all i can see is clinch and knee strike; sometime it kinda boring.
Bringing up the nz kick boxing legends 🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
Ray sefo and Mark hunt
Don't forget sbw
@@xeftones sonny bill fucking sucks mate 😂😂😂
They would all lose against Rico verhoeven
Ramon Dekker did not do Dutch muay Thai, he said himself he considers his style pure Thai Muay Thai
Ever since I transitioned out of Wing Chun, I've been taking an amazing combination of striking arts that work really well together. I've been studying Muay Thai the longest, and it's a great close quarters striking system that I enhance with occasional trapping techniques and get around my opponents guard.
Then for mid-range I started studying Dutch style kickboxing, which is great for mid-range combos and really good hand techniques when kicking isn't very practical or higher risk (i.e. against grapplers)
Then I recently started taking Savate, which is awesome for kick variety and long range attacks. I'm still leaning the ins and outs of savate but so far it flows really nicely between the other striking arts. I'd like to eventually learn more grappling but I need to finish incorporating all of this together first.
You know what Dutch kickboxing is called in The Netherlands? Thai Boxing.
Kickboxing is called kickboxing by almost everybody over here, but okay..
Thai boxing u can use elbows
littlebighumancom bullshit lol,
Boss, you're killin' it! In South Africa we've got a 'style' called PK - Poes Klap - It's literally a classic debilitating ear slap executed with OTT excessive force. Show stopper in most cases.
Bitchslap in english
@@rambonatorrrr6694 those are delivered to the cheek, this one bursts ear drums, like I said, show stopper. The palm is slightly cupped to create the necessary over-pressure. Not a Will Smith tickle.
I'm really just surprised Joe seems oblivious to that thought. Like he has never considered it. But he was probably just specifically answering the question.
I have two Muay Thai coaches, one is more Thai style one is more Dutch. We work with the clinch/knees/elbows a lot more in Thai, speed orientation., in Dutch it’s a lot more punch and power combination based
muay mat style is better than dutch kick boxing
@@Tungsten-le1wy That is not true, see Overeem, Hari, Verhoeven, and so on ...
What are you talking about? A tie fighter is a small space fighter employed by the Empire a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
What about the suit fighter?
Also depends on the rules.. thais will kill in the clinch..but kickboxing dutch style rules
One name, MANSON GIBSON. Destroyed all the Thai champions, was a 158lb fighter who gave up 52lbs to Ernesto Hoost in the K1 and got robbed. Joe, look this guy up he was doing & winning MMA in Japan before the UFC ever existed. True martial artists, whats crazy was that he came from a traditional Kung Fu. This guy doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
It suprised Thai boxers I was able to break there clinches and counter with goju ryu now I train Dutch kickboxing which I love both Thai and Dutch style also Dutch style has clinch and elbows and knees too I find there better at boxing and use it to set up there kicks and Thais focus more on clinch but it matters on the person
Goju Ryu is an underrated style.
Muay Thai is a type of kickboxing with less rules than K1 or Glory style kickboxing.
Muay Thai fighters beat kickboxers most of the time in Muay thai
Kinda like how bareknuckle boxers beat traditional boxers in bareknuckle :)
Kickboxing originated from Muay Thai
@@sginrummy88 Not always the case, bert cooper the boxer knocked out a bareknuckle champion really easily
@@MB98164 Kickboxing in the form of k1 and no clinch.
But kickboxing isn't one sport or rule set its multiple.
Muay thai is the most well known indo chinese kickboxing styles. Muay thai predates all forms of modern kickboxing yeah!
in other news:
michael phelps beat tiger woods in a swimming match
Thai
N it's not even fukn close!!!!
Haha,
Wait are you serious?
dutch are betters kickboxers thais are better muay thai fighters,
not really that hard to understand
just look at the old k-1 days
The martial arts and the effectiveness comes down to the individuals ability, that is how it is and will always be, enough with obsessing over style , it comes down to the person wielding the weapon
The best kickboxers in Holland these days are Moroccans🇲🇦; Badr Hari, Jamal Ben Saddik, Mohammed Jaraya, Hamicha, Tyjani Bouztati, Zakaria Zouggary, Ilias Ennahachi, Ismael Lazaar, Imad Hadar, Ilias Bulaid.....
First of all: Nieky Holzken & Rico Verhoeven are better than all of them, so it's not true.
Second of all: more Moroccan guys will try to make it big in fighting than Dutch guys, because Dutch guys prefer going for stable careers such as being programmers/lawyers/etc. rather than risking their livelihood on fighting.
Seanchai fight 340 fights and win 294 times. We are lukky that the Thai fighters stay in Thailand , Camodia and Laos, otherwise Dave Le Duc , Seanchai , Namsaknoi and Petboonchu kill all our westers heroes. And let's be happy that Buakaw is getting old. Greeting's from a Dutch Kickboxer
He is still an animal. He still mauls people.
These guys are amazing but I don’t think you really understand how dominant your own champions have been internationally.
Sorry Joe no Tie-fighter can stand up to an X-wing no matter how good
What about a y-wing? And the correlian corvette had room and could still maneuver! Wait I forgot what topic I was supposed to be on. Oh well, may the shwartz be with you!
Im a Dutch kickboxer myself, but i prefer mauy thai because its better for MMA and so many other things...
“I wanna” *corrects self to sound more uneducated* “im finna”
D Adams wow, you’re lame
My friend, I'm finna to I wanna and vice versa has to with culture and interactions in said cultural settings. It has nothing to do with education
Badr Hari, Rico verhoeven, Bojasky and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
I've trained both styles and did taekwondo all of them have their place. The Thai style felt like it was most effective overall but the Dutch style has better combos and taekwondo is great for tricking opponents and learning how to blitz in and out but the roundhouses and side kicks lack the same power as a Muay Thai round house or teep kick. It's really hard to say without a doubt what works best because they all have different strengths and weaknesses requiring different strategies.
I think the best style is the one who can combine all facets of the sport best with a win result.
So not any style?
Wouldve been nice to hear a general technique breakdown between the two
Im a dutch kickboxer but i love elbows, clinches and and kicks
Thai kickboxing is superior by far. lets not
I have a hybrid style I mix Dutch kickboxing Muay Thai and a little bit of karate into my style it works very well and I work with a boxing coach once a week Aswell works well for me
Dutch kickboxing is very much Kyokushin with boxing.
@@mitchjames9350 yeah very similar kicks I like to use the Dutch style low kick but use the Thai style round house for the body and the head but I like to use the Dutch guard but when out distance I use the Thai style of guard
You know what they say in MMA, if it ain't Dutch it aint much.