I used to live in Yangon and was trained by Lone Chaw, the Lethwei world champ. I was a Muay thai fighter before that. To be honest the fighting standard in Thailand is way higher but Lethwei is brutal. You can't notch up 200++ fights in Lethwei like you can in Muay Thai as you would be dead.
@@quinnlaya331 Truth is top Thai fighter can beat Lethwei fighter easily, even without head butt. Because Lethwei's purse is minimal, top ranking muaythai fighters are not interested in competing in Lethwei organized fights. Muaythai in Thailand is immensely popular, and to reach top ranking you must be especially talented. Also more fights under your belt = more experience. Burmese Lethwei fighters do not have this opportunity to cut their teeth on. Witness Dave Leduc who was a nobody muaythai fighter, but quickly became a Lethwei champion.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 Muay Thai is a sport, lethwei is more like a legit tool for killing like muay boran. But yes Muay Thai requires a lot of iq to pull moves
@@Supbrozki This isn't exactly true. Gloves spread the force across the face meaning it has less direct energy transfer thus meaning lower chance of knock out. However, the spring effect from the glove delivers more force than bare knuckles. More force with less chance to get knocked out equals more brain damage because even though you are not getting knocked out you are still being concussed.
@@FGCTekken With the force spread out it makes it more likely to hit the knockout spot thought, the gloves also have some weight to them which increases force. But most importantly, fighters tend to punch alot harder with gloves on that protect their hands. Without gloves they subconsciously pull their punches a bit as to not risk breaking their hands.
@Johannes Terzis No gloves increases the damage to the hands that is why boxing allows gloves nobody wants to wait 6 months to a year for the next fight.
I love how this discussion seems to draw out every ethnic conflict in mainland Southeast Asia. Every guy and his brother seems to have an opinion about what prehistoric empire developed what method of beating the piss out of your fellow man, about who is a bum and what country's sport is fake. Just goes to show how Indochina is basically the Balkans of Asia
A Tibeto-Burman vs Kra-Dai isn’t actually a brother wars. Yugoslav wars was a brother wars they were all Slavs, Burmese, Thais, and Khmer do not have the same ancestry.
Very true. I believe that keeping your hands up came from wearing the gloves because they are giant pillows but you in bare knuckle fights the punches just slip through your arms. Better to dodge them instead of blocking.
I am Burmese, I was front row ringside in 2016 at Leduc’s fight. I am so proud of my country’s sport - it’s unknown but it’s BADASS. Thank you Jo Rogan and Leduc for helping to bring this incredible art to the forefront.
He's an utter beast in Lethwei now. If you go back and watch his matches from like 4 years back, then his most recent ones. He has evolved. That right flying elbow fake out, dip down left hook is a monster. He jumps into a fake out elbow, which helps generate power into his left hook. It's amazing to see. when you first see it, it looks like he connects with the elbow, it's so fast.
you know most of elite thai can fight in lethwei easy without crying about rule set saiyok beat tuntunmin easy with 0 letwei experience if you know thai lang they always say weak point of lethwei attack aggressive but low defence skill
@@midorfeed312 I know a lot of local MT guys don't really think much of Lethwei as it's not as technical. I just like watching it, and also like Leduc. I am personally a beginner MT guy, but I also like lethwei.
@@awoken8infinite better stop watch leduc he is a dick he never fight with same size opponent when he go mma he lose in 24sec and he never success in mid level muaythai that why he go to Myanmar he trashtalk to buakaw and liam harrison but no big organisation want him big mouth low profile
It's not less competitive it's just that he is fighting in a weight class with very few truly talented fighters.just like muay thai the lead skilled fighters are at the lower weight classes.If he was fighting in a Lowe weight he's would get rekted
You do realise that Joe meant "not training" under the specific style of Lethwei? Because Dave was training Sanda, MMA wih Jeet Kune Do principles, adding headbutts, but had never been to Myanmar prior to his fight.
@@LeducLethwei you have to be VERY ARROGANT to make a comment like that. Only to point out he's STUDIED WHAT!?! JKD and SANDA!! No Wrestling background,Judo, Jiu-Jitsu,BJJ,Sambo,Catch as catch Can? Jeet Kune Do (is NOT the End all be all.. EVEN THE FOUNDER KNEW IT. DOES NOT OWN THE GROUND. JIU-JITSU, NOUS DEFIONS!! WE DEFEND THE GROUND.) Sanda is Kung Fu!!(Been shown to be inferior to TRUE COMBAT STYLES) I have a Black Belt in America Kenpo, Full Contact. Brown in both Judo and BJJ(under Gracie Barra system) I've been practicing MUAY THAI FOR 8 YEARS. I'm 38, I'm a Combat Vet and my Body is Barely hanging Together and I choose to ROLL EVERYDAY and Work out EVERYDAY. I'm in PEAK Street shape, Decent Gym shape(Cardio has been a bigger focus than strength since lock down) And I'll Fight, But NOT IN FIGHT SHAPE. I'm 6' 220, very small body fat Percentage and Very Flexible for my Appearance and Dexterous. To call SOMEONE "STUPID"(Which is WHAT YOU SAID without saying it..🤬. Just Say that S**t!) ABOUT A COMMENT THAT CAN BE HEARD MANY WAYS, Shows your Insecurities and Basically says SEAMUS is Right...I LISTED OFF A Few of MY TRAINING accomplishments. WOULD I COMPETE IN A FIGHTING TOURNAMENT.. YES ACTUALLY.. I HAVE.. As an Amateur. I had an MMA Record of 4-0 all by way of Sub or KO. I'VE NEVER BEEN KNOCKED Unconscious by a Human Beings Fists.. EVER. Or Legs. I pulled a "man's"(If you can call that piece of garbage, "Terry" ,a Man) TOOTH from my forehead after about 6 headbutts to the Face. TOP MOUNT, CROSS CUT GI(Uniform BDU) CHOKE AND HEADBUTT TILL HE STOPS MOVING. You have to BE EXTREMELY IGNORANT AS TO THE DEVELOPMENT of a Warrior. TO MAKE The comment You MADE TO SEAMUS, WHO'S ENTIRELY CORRECT. IT TAKES TRUE COMBAT TRAINING TO BE A GREAT COMBATANT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT...?? I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY TO YOU. BUT TO COME OFF SO ARROGANT, TOWARDS ONE GUY.. AND YOU'RE LEDUC LETHWEI?? WHY AREN'T YOU GOING TO WAR WITH THE MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOOD? INSTEAD YOU INSULT SOMEONE, WHO BRINGS A GREAT STATEMENT TO LIGHT, 2 MONTHS LATER? I THINK JOE, WAS ASKING WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.. AND IF YOU SAID ANYTHING ABOUT KUNG FU/SANDA/JKD TO JOE.. He'd FOLLOW Up by asking what REAL FIGHTING TECHNIQUES DID YOU STUDY.. YOU CAN'T DO MUAY THAI BECAUSE IT'S"POINTS AND GLOVES". But you Site SANDA A Point Based Sport as your training..? I'M Sorry But WHAT'S YOUR TRAINING? WHAT'S YOUR LEVEL? HOW DEEP DID YOU GET BEFORE GOING "PRO"?? I Faught and Beat AMs that WOULD slam you and Submit you from Side Control.. IF YOU'RE NO GOOD ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE A 1 DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER WHEN MANY DIMENSIONS ARE NEEDED TO BE A COMPLETE FIGHTER..
SEAMUS! I totally understand You. YOU'VE MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT. AND TO HAVE, WHO APPEARS TO BE "LEDUCK LETHWEI" Responding to you WITH SUCH ARROGANT AND IGNORANT WORDS. CONFOUNDS ME... ISN'T HE A ZEN COMBATANT. DISCIPLINED.. A BUSHI!? WHY ATTACK SEAMUS FOR ASKING A QUESTION. AND TO PUT IT IN Understandable Terms.. His Training "Styles".. WELL... THEY'RE NOT THAT GOOD. Sanda is KUNG FU based(WE ALL KNOW HOW GOOD THAT IS AGAINST MMA..) AND Jeet Kune Do.. Is.. Well WHAT IS IT? Ever Evolving.. RIGHT! I'm working on my BJJ BLACK BELT. A STYLE THAT EVOLVED WHEN A JAPANESE COUNT TAUGHT SOME BRAZILIAN DUDES JIU-JITSU. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL LITTLE OLE HELIO GRACIE(being smaller. Discovered Different Ways to slip techniques and Set Up Submissions..) THUS THE BJJ WE KNOW(I know there's WAAAYY more then that. I'm going the Short Route for time) IS BASED OFF OF TINY VARIATIONS OF BASIC JIU-JITSU. I Started with Judo, went to Sunshine State Games Won Silver(Because I lost my Post and got Tossed.. DAMN!) TRAINING IS WHERE YOUR MIND GOES WHEN IT'S IN "BLACK KNOW", "ZERO THOUGHT" "DEAD HEAD".. It's the Shock of a COMBATIVE situation. You're Body WILL IMMEDIATELY GO TO IT'S HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRAINING.(TRAINING!!) BECAUSE IT'S MUSCLE MEMORY..TO DISREGARD TRAINING LIKE THAT ONLY EXPOSES YOUR WEAKNESSES TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.. AND TO HAVE THE DUCK HIMSELF RESPOND TO YOU 😂.. WHY? WHEN THERE'S So Many People Saying that HE CAN'T FIGHT.. BUT THEY CHOOSE TO START WITH YOU.. IDK WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.. Unless (They're Afraid of a Keyboard Fight..😂😂😄🤭😂) I'M SORRY LEDUC LETHWEI. BUT SEAMUS HERE MAKES A VALID POINT. WHY ARE YOU MUCH MORE NEGATIVE THAN SEAMUS. DON'T TALK DOWN TO SOMEONE.. THAT'S A WEAK THING TO DO.. That's a Weak man's Weapon. A Small Minds Assault... BTW, LOOK ME UP WHENEVER YOU'RE IN FLORIDA. If you Drop The Cash on the Table. I'LL "LET YOU KNOCK ME OUT".... right..😁 GM NSW CC! LATER a, 0814- SAMI(Small Arms Marksmanship Instructor) FEELING FROGGY JUMP.
@ジョージ様 Whatever YOU SAY MR.GEORGE! You've probably been in a "Handful" of Fights.. Hand To Hand.. I've Literally been in EVERY KIND OF FIGHT THERE IS.. Knife, Gun, Hands, A Big Rock IDGAF! I fight to Win, OR I FIGHT TO END! Don't KID yourself that you can TEACH ME ANYTHING Not Already stored away in MY ROLODEX MEMORY! You're the Kinda GEORGIE that Says" I don't Know what happened... I BLACKED OUT!" Cuz You don't know how to Breath through an Adrenaline DUMP! I Love How You Defend the "KING".. Are You Sworn to UPHOLD Your Loyal Duties to PROTECT THE KING?? WEAK!!! Your Kingsgaurd IS WEAK!
I love How you DELETE the REALIST COMMENT MADE! I'm A Complete Warrior! I've Been IN MORE Life or Death Situations Than YOU KNOW! TH-cam is a BUNCH OF PANSIES NOW! WHAT A WAR HASN'T BEEN GOING ON FOR 15 YEARS! AND those Who've BEEN Through the Crucible CAN'T TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES! It's WAR! Not Patty Cake Play Time! My Deleted Comment Said Everything I needed TO SAY! I'm Intense. NOT ANGRY! And If you cannot determine the Difference in the REAL REAL, You'll ESCALATE IT TO DANGER ZONE BABY! I've had Village Elders Screaming at me in Farsi, IF I TOOK It as ANGER I'd WRECK THE MISSION! They're Intense people who live in UNFORGIVING LANDS! With WAR All Around THEM! Learn the Difference Between Intensity and ANGER! they ARE NOT THE SAME! NOT EVEN CLOSE! GotDang Idgits. And a "Terry" is a Terrorist. OR "Terry Taliban".. STUPID TH-cam!
For those who don't know this guy here is a resume: Dave is tough fighter, to be fair he is what you can call a natural born fighter. 1- Tries a fighting career in Muay Thai but he is not good enough to make it to the big leagues. He blames the "too big" gloves for it. 2- Tries MMA but for the first time he has to face a guy of the same size loses in a one-sided fight. MMA too conpetitive, it s not for him 3- He travels to Myanmar fights like 10 fights in Lethwei (a version of muay thai with poor boxing but good headbuts) wins 5 times against smaller guys. Now he talks as if he was the best striker on the planet.
You got it all right .. Right in your face. Coz Dave actually knocked out all 5 of his Muay Thai opponents. (that doesn’t include set-up betting fights) He didn’t make it to the “Big League” though, because guess what! He was financially struggling and fight money in Muay Thai simply sucks. After his first three Lethwei fights, he was already living rich. Oh yeah, all his opponents in Lethwei were smaller than him, but in his debut in WLC, he fought a bigger opponent, he knocked that guy out anyway to claim his first WLC title. At least, get your facts right when you try to write something in numerical order. 🤪
@@thomashan4963 So you are basicaly confiming what I said : He hasn't fought nobody in MT and fights smaller oponents. All the respect of the world for these guys in mianmar fighting in lethwei they are tough as hell but their striking ability is not on the same level than Top muay thai fighters.
@@kensen1070 I'm not saying Muay Thai is not good. I really believe some of the best martial artists in the world came from Muay Thai background. They know how to land beautiful strikes and earn points. I cannot deny that and I won't, because it's true. They are the real martial artists and bests in the world. But when it comes to a guy like Dave, he is not a dancing guy. These Big leagues, they are not good enough for Dave, because he found Lethwei, which may not be a good sport or martial art, but a real fight.
And, now he trying challenge buakaw , buakaw he is 38 years old now and this guy David Leduc 28 years old his height 1.88 m and weight 176 lb but buakaw height 1.74 m and weight 158 lb ,Does he love to fight the fighter who smaller than him that much????
For some reason ppl can’t comprehend it’s less of the art and more how you are training less rules and harder training is going to be more specific to real fighting and ultimately be more effective, but the issue which Bruce lee figured out is finding a balance on how to train smart and not recklessly to not destroy your body and still train specific to real fighting
Nathan Godin How about you do your research? Like it or not, Muay Thai and kickboxing are the more technical battles. Gtfo here with your ram bullshit. it’s cool when you trim the fat like head butting.
@@samathyos1277 just because they are on average more technical does not mean that Lethwei is inferior or less skilled. The first comment compared it to backyard brawling which is bullshit. Muay Thai and Kickboxing might be more technical (again on average)and removing headbutts may be good for protecting fighters and gaining acceptance but Lethwei is closer to true combat and less confined by the rules of sport and entertainment.
He conveniently forget to tell that he lost both his mma fight by striking "i'm the best striker" one after 3:30 in the first round and the second after 19 sec in the first too. I have a PR/instagram/niche fighter feeling about this guy, despite having seen 5+ of his combats.
@@michaelwinters2574 he has, in fact, not. He is a very incompetent striker that beats undersized opponents because he fights in a shallow weight class with no competition
He only mentions his round 1 TKO loss against Meunier, but "forgets" to mention his second professional MMA fight: 19 second TKO loss against Matsushima.
He probably mentioned that one because it was closer, more to talk about. That’s the kind of loss you go over in your mind, the other one he got TKO’d - not much to say.
Umm no, Dave. As much as I think you're a good fighter and seem like a nice person, you weren't winning the striking exchange in the fight you're referring to. I'd also like to point out that you keep catching Lethwei fighters with a spinning elbow. That's the same technique Enriko Kehl used in a Muay Thai tournament and kept winning with it, because people didn't know how to react to it. Until he faced Buakaw (and later challenged him to a farce of a kickboxing match). I think what you bring to the table is unpredictability. Which is good. But I'm just saying that you couldn't win in the MMA matches (although you did win one iirc) because they knew what you were doing. Had they allowed headbutts like in the original cage fights, you'd definitely be in your element a lot more, but on the other hand, the MMA fighters would also be practicing for that. Food for thought. Btw, be careful not to get a permanent head injury from Lethwei, as from what I've understood, all the headbutting and no gloves make for a very rattled brain. Good luck.
""""I'd also like to point out that you keep catching Lethwei fighters with a spinning elbow. That's the same technique Enriko Kehl used in a Muay Thai tournament and kept winning with it, because people didn't know how to react to it. Until he faced Buakaw (and later challenged him to a farce of a kickboxing match)"""" LOL! This technique was used by Burmese Lethwei fighter called Tha Man Kyar in 1983. Tha Man Kyar (Lethwei) vs. Saw Ruby (Western Boxer, international boxing experience). Tha Man Kyar used this technique to counter the boxer Saw Ruby's left jabs with surprise counter attack. Total 15 rounds (3 mins fight, 3 mins rest, at 3rd round Saw Ruby (boxer) got reversed elbow from Tha Man Kyar (Lethwei) and called for time out 3 minutes. Again 6th round Saw Ruby got reversed elbow and bye bye! Burmese actress called Swe Zin Htaite gave flowers to Tha Man Kyar. I was there. You made me laugh. It was in 1983, I was 23 year old. Where is Buakaw? Even Baukaw's father & mother didn't in love yet. LOL!
@leslie alcantara Uninformed and ignorant comment. You seem to confuse height with weight. If you imply that Dave fought bigger guys in MMA and only won in Lethwei because some guys where shorter, it couldn't be further from the truth. Dave's first mma fight was at 170lbs with no weight cut, against a heavier highly experience fighter who eventually went to UFC. Second fight, was his first attempt at cutting weight, to 155lbs, Dave was severely dehydrated and got caught with a lucky blow while locking a triangle choke. In to Lethwei he always fought at his walking 175lbs (80kg) and even fought a 91kg opponent while he was 80kg. All his opponent were same weight or heavier. If he would cut weight like all other fighters, he woud compete at 72-75kg (160-165lbs).
I think the similarities come more from the fact that the countries are so close. Originally all these styles where similar. But history has changed the path of many of these countries. British colonialism almost strangled Burmese martial arts. Lethwei tradition have been kept alive not by the Burmese but by the Karen. Where as Thailand was never colonized. But instead changed their martial art into a competitive ring sport that has garnered fighters a livable revenue. Now that Burma is opening up to the west, we will see how lethwei will change to get more audience, competitors and money in. Off course, lethwei needs to distinguish itself from Muay Thai, so I guess it will stay more brutal.
this dude like 6 foot whatever and be beating on little burmese starving men like "Yeah Im the champion!!" - He didn't make it past the lowest level of competition in muay thai but becomes a champion in open weight Lethwei lmao -
@DOUBLE RR416 yes they're different sports, especially since he fights smaller people in open weight fights and acts all high and mighty. He also likes to talk shit abt muay thai alottttt just cuz he couldn't do shit in the sport lmao
@DOUBLE RR416 he fights little asian guys because its Open weight - wtf are you talking about lmao - buddy be like 75kg-80kg beating on dudes like 55kg-65kg In muay thai he had to have actual FAIR fights so he couldn't cut the line and be a SUPER CHAMPION - go to Burma no major competition fights like a few times and now he king of the whole sport aww ok - Muay Thai and Lethwei are very similar and have friendship fights on the Border every year - I actually live in Thailand and train fight for a living but whatever the only person sitting on their couch is you homeboy.
@DOUBLE RR416 this dude dissed muay thai and when all the muay thai champions that are his weight answered ready to fight him muay thai or lethwei rules (some of them not even caring about weight) he just blew them off oh I was just saying that shit online lmao - Nah he just wants to challenge buakaw for the fame - not come down in weight and fight his rules - but if you challenge somebody you gotta fight their rules. Mcgregger Challenged Mayweather to a Boxing match - thats how its sposed to work
@Komkritt he just says Buakaws name to make a buzz around himself - many champion level muay thai fighters of his weight stepped up to fight and he turned them all down - like if he get exposed as a clown it got to be against buakaw so he can get a career boost
Bottom line is this guy doesn’t have the right to patronise Muay Thai fighters when he’s never won a championship in a major Muay Thai stadium let alone ever even fought in one.
I think im only one whos not impressed with this dude. Im glad he found his niche but I feel like the dudes he fights are always smaller and from a less talented pool. He lost both of his pro mma fights and then went and did prison fighting/luthwei with a bunch of bums.
@@enriqueshockwave hmmm, the guys he fights in lethwei aren't bums. For sure. I live in Phuket. His level of Muay Thai wasn't even on the radar in the stadiums of Bangkok, which is why it's surprising he's smashing folks in Lethwei. I assure you this, if the Thai's ever want to get involved with Lethwei, there's no more competition.
I loved being in Thailand so much. I was in Chiang Mai (mentioned in this vid), other places in Thailand for a month last year and it was incredible. And so0o0o0o0o many Muay Thai fights!! :D
@@TheReclusiveGamer Khao San Road is why you want to spend a few days in Bangkok. And to see some of the beautiful temples and different markets and stuff. I was south through the islands as well.
Please come to Issan guys, if you want the real gritty Muay Thai experience and see where all the greatest Thai fighters hail from + our economy needs you right now
The first formal rules in Muay Thai were introduced after WWII so consider this to be the start of the new era of Modern Muay Thai: however; it has original roots that predate the "Sukhothai" era from the Thai tribal ancestors that travelled South from China into Thailand & even Malaysia.
YES I trained in a Sukothai MUAY THAI School. We did DEVASTATING Headbutts!! His Style of headbut is a "Head Push". IT'S A QUICK, FOCUSED ON SOFT SKIN STRIKE!! Muay Thai Fighters are FAR TO TECHNICAL FOR HIM. FORGET POINTS. GO INTO A CIRCLE WITH FENCE and see which style wins. Give them BOTH 4OZ Gloves and let's SEE! And make his Competition at LEAST Close to his Size.. I KNOW there's Guys out there his Size that would DESTROY him. Get a DUTCH Kickboxer in there.. that's also probably a loss.
Lethwei isn't the only martial art that uses the headbutts as well. Kudo, a japanese form of mma bornt int the '80 (known as Daido Juku as well), uses them too and has traditionally no gloves. There are however big differences, such as one is a striking martial art and the other is a hybrid one, Lethwei has only shorts but Kudo has a full gi on, there's no protection for the head for the Burmese while there's a strange looking headgear for the Japanese. In short, the world is small
SIAM KINGDOM = Thailand has never been colonised please get this right. To make it short, The Siam Shrank or expand never really ployed under. And for the record the fall of Ayudhaya was and still is The biggest loss to Burmese armies to date Siam Kingdom gave away almost half of its territory Chiang Mai and Chiang Hai provinces included. Siam pulled back and shrank to its smallest size but was never colonised. Details are extremely important to have a fine understanding and great admiration for Thai and Birmas people and culture rather than fall into the "against" comparaison. Thanks
@@victorphonepyae that is what i exactly described above The Burmese owned almost half of Thailand from Center onward to north, Thailand gave away what they couldn't defend, and kept a smaller country but were not colonised by the Burmese if you will.
@but why Hello My Brother or Sister, it is nicer to use proper words, it will describe your point even better trust me. If you read somewhere that Thailand or Siam Kingdom as a whole had once disappeared under another kingdom, i for once read they lost many wars and gave away very large t erritories, but never gave up their kingdom a whole. i do not pretend i am the TRUTH. Also why not just admire the two kingdoms and all they have to share with the world nowadays. peace brother/ sister.
I had no idea who Dave Leduc was until now. I saw him many times at the hotel where I stayed at in Yangon. He seemed like a polite and respectful person, and definitely looked like a fighter.
@@B0l0joe no accurate. You are confusing the Myanmar Lethwei federation (MLF) and the government itself. Dave is a legend in Myanmar and has diplomatic status, he can go back whenever he wishes.
I just watch this guy fight in a lethwei fight - he's pretty good. Long limbs, good striker BUT he's nowhere near a Buakaw - in a Muay Thai or K1 fight, Buakaw would murder this dude.
This dude is bigging himself up because he is a champion from fighting against guys half his size, every time he fight Muay Thai or MMA he's lost, and the history he's talking about is so fricking wrong, both Muay Thai and Lethwei were invented on the battlefield during war time, no country invented one before the other, and the fact that he said Muay boran is a new invention it is not, there are scriptures dating back 100s of years showing Muay boran
Well no, that's exactly what he said about Muay Boran, that it appeared hundreds of years ago after the Burmese had been pushed out. Doing a brief bit of internet research Lethwei is documented to nearly 2,000 years ago and Muay Boran is much younger than that and only appeared after the Burmese occupation of Tahiland. And again, a little bit of internet research shows that he hasn't lost every muay thai fight, and his fights are within weight classes, so he's not fighting smaller people either...
@@Matt_Alaric Im not sure if you understand the meaning of that so I’ll help you. Look and the end product and skill difference. all they’ve ever done is steal from us, why would we steal from them
What happens when Muay Thai fighters try lethwei? Well, there once was a pretty bad Muay Thai fighter named Dave, with no hope for any success at all in Muay Thai, that became the so-called king of lethwei by beating up a lot of starved Burmese fighters half his size. The good Muay Thai fighters has no interest in lethwei and why should they?
@minzo nakul Bcoz Lethwei is less known and very few ppl actually practice it.. Due to this fact, Lethwei doesn't get much recognition while Muay Thai does.. Lethwei takes brutality one step ahead as it allows headbutts too, which makes it even more brutal than MT
I guess because of the sets of rules. Since there is no pointing system, there is not much sense of being a technical fighter. To hit and not to be hit would be very difficult to win.
@@joelempania6385 you know most of elite thai can fight in lethwei easy without crying about rule set saiyok beat tuntunmin easy with 0 letwei experience if you know thai lang they always say weak point of lethwei attack aggressive but low defence skill
Muay Thai has a lot bigger talent pool to draw from. Obviously they have higher quality fighters. That being said I think Lethwei is more fun to watch still
I took Gabriel Varga's opinion about Dave Leduc. "He might could fight, he might could take hits but for me his moves look sloppy". In my view Dave Leduc is not same level as Muay Thai high level fighters.
@@rivalx288 He has authority to say that, becoz he is a technician in Muay Thai. He made some innovation in Kickboxing/Muay Thai. Also he already won many world championships.
He's actually wrong though - Dave started at Muay Thai, also Sasha Moisa and Antonio Faria both are WLC world champions (lighter weight classes than dave's) both have Muay Thai backrounds and train at a Muay Thai gym. Also are a few sucelcessful Thai fighters in Lethwei like Payak Smaui...
Not true! Thai and Burmese haven’t been fighting for thousands of years. Thailand is less than a thousand years old. At the time when Cambodia ruled Southeast Asia, Thailand did not exist yet. Muay Thai is originated in Cambodia, check out the art on the wall of the temples. In the 90’s Laos and Cambodia asked the ASEAN committee to renamed Muay Thai as Sovannaphoum Boxing, but Thailand disagreed because they wanted to claim the art.
Won on the stage but disabled when older. Head is an important part must to be saved for all sports. For a long time is not good for long life, so the headbutt and bare knuckle were removed from Muay Thai sport over 100 years ago. So some Thai boxers can fight every months on the ring or one and a half month and somes can fight over 250-300 fights in their life. Muay Thai boxers have still good health when there are old. They can be trainers for younger boxers later.
multiple times. they get 30 minutes to come too. one of leducs title fights (he fights the same like 3 guys 5 times a piece)the guy gets stopped 5 times in one match. its not neccesarily brutal as its stupid
I live in Thailand and I didn't hate him at all, He is a very good fighter, He learns new thing every time, 1st he learns muay Thai know about of thing about muay Thai history why muay Thai no headbutt Muay Boran can headbutt, He explains different thing between Lethwei and muay Thai easy to understand and Lethwei is a very good tool for him.
What this guy forgot to tell you is that the Thais who fight in Burma are not top-level fighters. If you were to put the strongest Lethwei champion (Tun Tun Min) against a strong Nak Muay (Singdam, for instance) there would probably be no story. There is a reason why technique is so important: because flawless technique enhances power and maximizes efficiency, whereas brutality works only on the weak, inexperienced ones. Technique dominates brutality.
I think this was Rogans best guest in just how into his art with heart he is and his story is crazeee too. Basically became Myanmar but he was first Canadian like me🙂🙂🙂
A muay thai can with no proper training in the art of 9limb beats up your Lethwei champions and you guys love him because one of the guy he won against was muslim? never forget the Rohingya genocide
I want to train it. Lethwei, old school bareknuckle boxing, and muay thai are the only striking arts I'm interested in. For now I wrestle though. That's all that's available to me.
Dave Leduc is well spoken as well, he seems like the guy who would just chill with anyone and not judge unless someone popped off. Doesn't look it but hes a fighting animal........like as someone else said maybe with a tiny splash of psychopath. Check out his highlights real I have watched it three times in a row and its pretty amazing. The fighter he beat to get the world title Too Too was killed by Myanmar army. The whole country, culture and sport I just learned about its fascinating!😃
Man I want to learn lethwei and muay thai. Right now I'm training collegiate and freestyle wrestling. I want to build a base on these. Bareknuckle striking, clinch, headbutts, takedowns and pins
@North American TH-camr alright thanks for the advice there's a boxing gym near me but it costs double what the muay thai place near by charges. Wrestling is the cheapest but I want to supplement my wrestling with striking.
@Wire haired Dachshund My point is headbutts are underrated and useful. Especially when clinched. I would only train the sport for probably a month tbh. I'd focus completely on headbutts. Then transition to muay thai completely.
@@ko2ni Sorry, can't respect a dude who dances around actual facts when asked about MMA records anyone can look up right now. Maybe he should respect the other dude that beat him and mention his name too?
There is a Buddhist saying: "An ungrateful person will never prosper." 1. In 2013, Lethwei being illegal in the province of Quebec[25] and having difficulty getting a fight in Myanmar, Leduc went on his first trip to neighboring Thailand to begin his professional career.[6] Myanmar's lack of training facilities led Leduc to leave everything behind and moved to Phuket in order to train at Tiger Muay Thai.[15][26][27] Leduc was invited to the 2016 Tiger Muaythai Tryouts and went on to win a place on the professional fight team, along with teammate Dan Hooker.[28] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Leduc#cite_note-Vice-15 2. The Fight Begins: Dave Leduc @ Tiger Muay Thai & MMA, Thailand Apr 23, 2013 Canadian fighter Dave Leduc is at the start of his fight career, he recently came to train at Tiger and took his first professional Muay Thai fight at Bangla Boxing Stadium. th-cam.com/video/YMIDSGBZjW8/w-d-xo.html 3. Dave Leduc (Tiger Muay Thai) vs Anthony (Yudtajak Muay Thai) @ Bangla Stadium 16/5/2014 th-cam.com/video/BqgeK0gWltE/w-d-xo.html
Amazing how lethwei, Muay thai , and Baktor are all similar and have roots to the kingdom of angkor , and seeing people in the comments talk about this is just sad , if u read the history of each martial art its amazing how they share similar orgins , i wish to learn both Muay thai , lethwei, and baktor as their techniqes seem very raw and simple
The Angkor Wall depicts a man fighting a lion. Laos, Burma, Thailand and Cambodia don't have lions. India has lions. And the picture in the wall probably tells the origins of boxing from India. Thailand has received many cultures from India. Ramayana, Khon and others, Muay Thai may be influenced by Kalaripayattu of India, which is more than 2,000 years old, it's a hand-to-hand and armed combat. Muay Thai has been improved over time for use in combat during war. Different people have different styles. Therefore, Muay Thai is different as follows. Muay Thai Boran Styles th-cam.com/video/TPkQvzHmnSI/w-d-xo.html (Part 1) th-cam.com/video/Od0R8-2BBqc/w-d-xo.html (Part 2) Cambodia has been occupied by Thais for about 400 years if Khmer boxing is really good. Why is it a colony of Thailand for hundreds of years? Later it was a French colony.
Cambodia is therefore influenced by Kalaripayattu of India and Thai arts. Cambodian bokator>>> th-cam.com/video/bX0ZvQ-Se0s/w-d-xo.html
how many people with brain damage from boxing..and how many from pride, there are referees to stop it from going to far, and a flying knee to the face when some one shoots is less of a brain damager? 5 to 6 elbows ground n poundin is less damaging? get out of here
It’s funny how Joe says it’s crazy how Dave adapted to lethwei so easily without any initial training. Dave is from Chelsea Quebec. I grew up there and we went to the same elementary school together. I was in his younger sister’s Rene graduation year. If I could explain properly just how much athletic talent comes up from there u wouldn’t even understand. There is something in the water as they say. I mean from Olympic pros to amateur and regional pros come from there. Literally like everyone there is super chill and very athletic lol
Lethwei, Muay Thai, Muay Laos, Kun Khmer. Whatever you call. For us it’s means “Boxing” Historical Fact was the Land in between India and Vietnam to Singapore developed this as a way of fighting for at least 500 years and likely to be before 1300s. Which even before Thai Kingdoms ever exist. King of Ayutthaya kingdom in Thailand used to be the “King of Kings” until lose to Burma in 2 occasions in 1569 and 1767 This boxing still continuous practice widely in all of this area until today. This wasn’t impose to “colonised” country as he said. This is not like “Siamisesation” as Thailand did to Cambodia for 300 years before the French took Cambodia as their colony in 1863. The Burmese Viceroy were relatively short lived due to political infighting , over concentration of power and failure to centralise state. During era of “European Colonisation” King Rama V of Siam standardised the rule of boxing to wear 8oz. gloves and no head butted to be comparable to European after diplomatic match between Siam and French Cambodia resulted in the death of Cambodian fighter. Therefore no one really had a concrete prove where this boxing came from. It just evolved over time.
Ancient Burma never conquered the Khmer empire but the same goes for Burma. But the largest Southeast Asian empire was the Khmers. And Khmers practiced Bokator and Predal Serey.
Bokator is most likely the "original" southeast Asian kickboxing. Why? The khmer/Cambodia empire was the largest and oldest empire of southeast Asia for a long period of time. Then the Burmese gained power after the Khmer empire went into decline. The same techniques you see in muay thai, lethwei etc are all in bokator/kun khmer. But Bokator is a system that also has weapons training and is meant for war. The kickboxing aspect was specialized in the boxing ring as kun khmer. Difference is Khmer had taken over all of southeast Asia and parts of Burma, maybe that's where Lethwei and all the other "muay" kickboxing got some ideas and roots.
Wrong the largest empire in SEA is the kong bong dynasty of burma. And also lethwei is older than bokator. Bokator was created around 12th century while lethwei was created at the time of pyu which is like 2000years ago. Lethwei was not a system back in the day. It would be more like ancient MMA but there were barely any rules. Only win and lose exist. The word lethwei translate to "blood stained hand" or "bloody hand" as practioners fight bare knuckles and bleeds from their hands. And the rest is kinda the oppsite of everything u said.
Cambodia claims that Thai arts and culture are Khmer all the time. The Angkor Wall depicts a man fighting a lion. Laos, Burma, Thailand and Cambodia don't have lions. India has lions. And the picture in the wall probably tells the origins of boxing from India. Thailand has received many cultures from India. Ramayana, Khon and others, Muay Thai may be influenced by Kalaripayattu of India, which is more than 2,000 years old, it's a hand-to-hand and armed combat. Muay Thai has been improved over time for use in combat during war. Different people have different styles. Therefore, Muay Thai is different as follows. Muay Thai Boran Styles th-cam.com/video/TPkQvzHmnSI/w-d-xo.html (Part 1) th-cam.com/video/Od0R8-2BBqc/w-d-xo.html (Part 2) Cambodia has been occupied by Thais for about 400 years if Khmer boxing is really good. Why is it a colony of Thailand for hundreds of years? Later it was a French colony.
Cambodia is therefore influenced by Kalaripayattu of India and Thai arts. I have watched Bogator boxing. I almost died laughing so hard I couldn't stop. Cambodian bokator>>> th-cam.com/video/bX0ZvQ-Se0s/w-d-xo.html
@@mamaisookjai4609 No kalaripayattu has no resemblance with lethwei,muay thai and bokator. Kalaripayattu is mostly weaponized martial art. All three of the above unarmed and they were more of a combat sport/system. Thai used krabi and krabong as armed system during ayutthya age. And burmese used bando and banshay for war during their kong bong age. About the lion thing u are correct about three of the countries not having lions. But i believe the lion u talking about is fabled lion beast i think its called dog of fo,chinthae from buddhism(buddhism came from india). Most buddhist country have that lion statue infront of their pagodas.
You said "All three of the above unarmed " I said "may be influenced by Kalaripayattu of India" Kalaripayattu differs from many other martial arts systems in that weapon based techniques are taught first, and barehanded techniques are taught last. In the past, Thailand mainly taught how to use weapons and boxing was also taught to defend yourself without weapons. Kalaripayattu, its birth anywhere between 200 BCE and 600 CE, and its cresting popularity between the 14th and 16th centuries. But what has never varied, is the awe with which chroniclers and poets of different periods recorded the complexity of the techniques, the liquid beauty of the moves, and the enviable elasticity of the practitioners of Kalaripayattu. National Kalaripayattu Tournament 2018 || Sword and shield || valpayattu (Skip until minute 1.38, it's a hand-to-hand combat.) th-cam.com/video/ndOMfe12bFM/w-d-xo.html Kalarippayat (Batons stick & krabong) th-cam.com/video/qK92i9VjxMs/w-d-xo.html
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psg aka Paris St Germaine
Brandon Vera
LMFAOOO!!!
@@userjim83 and a bit of Dan Hardy
Julien Lefebvre thats good
I used to live in Yangon and was trained by Lone Chaw, the Lethwei world champ. I was a Muay thai fighter before that. To be honest the fighting standard in Thailand is way higher but Lethwei is brutal. You can't notch up 200++ fights in Lethwei like you can in Muay Thai as you would be dead.
I agree. Like Dave said, Muay Thai guys are technical so I can see why many Thai fighters have 200+ fights
Teach the thais headbutts for a year in a clinch, the thais would take over. Technical advantage plus being taught headbutts... gg lol.
@@quinnlaya331 Truth is top Thai fighter can beat Lethwei fighter easily, even without head butt. Because Lethwei's purse is minimal, top ranking muaythai fighters are not interested in competing in Lethwei organized fights. Muaythai in Thailand is immensely popular, and to reach top ranking you must be especially talented. Also more fights under your belt = more experience. Burmese Lethwei fighters do not have this opportunity to cut their teeth on. Witness Dave Leduc who was a nobody muaythai fighter, but quickly became a Lethwei champion.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 well said. I hope they can do something to grow the sport.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045 Muay Thai is a sport, lethwei is more like a legit tool for killing like muay boran. But yes Muay Thai requires a lot of iq to pull moves
Everybody gangster until the rope gloves come out.
@Johannes Terzis You will get knocked out easier with gloves though. It just wont cut up the face as bad.
@@Supbrozki This isn't exactly true. Gloves spread the force across the face meaning it has less direct energy transfer thus meaning lower chance of knock out. However, the spring effect from the glove delivers more force than bare knuckles. More force with less chance to get knocked out equals more brain damage because even though you are not getting knocked out you are still being concussed.
@@FGCTekken With the force spread out it makes it more likely to hit the knockout spot thought, the gloves also have some weight to them which increases force. But most importantly, fighters tend to punch alot harder with gloves on that protect their hands. Without gloves they subconsciously pull their punches a bit as to not risk breaking their hands.
@Johannes Terzis That's just not true
@Johannes Terzis No gloves increases the damage to the hands that is why boxing allows gloves nobody wants to wait 6 months to a year for the next fight.
The art of nine limbs. Lethwei
@Oliver the actual name of Thai Boxing-Muay Thai- is ''The Art of Nine Limbs''
@Oliver shut up hater
Tsume _- muay thai is the art of 8 limbs, He said 9 cause they can headbutt in lethwri
KodakBlacksBrain in old muay thai, you could use headbutts. it was actually the art of 9 limbs.
Wicked But it isn’t now lmao, Lethwei is the art of the nine limbs as that is what is practiced.
I love how this discussion seems to draw out every ethnic conflict in mainland Southeast Asia. Every guy and his brother seems to have an opinion about what prehistoric empire developed what method of beating the piss out of your fellow man, about who is a bum and what country's sport is fake.
Just goes to show how Indochina is basically the Balkans of Asia
@Serbon Resurrected Which country?
@Serbon Resurrected My condolences. I'm part-Croatian.
@Serbon Resurrected I'm being facetious. I got nothing on Serbs as a people.
A Tibeto-Burman vs Kra-Dai isn’t actually a brother wars. Yugoslav wars was a brother wars they were all Slavs, Burmese, Thais, and Khmer do not have the same ancestry.
@@YeehawOutlaw Cope.
First heard of this martial art on Kengan Ashura
What character in Kengan Ashura uses Lethwei? I just have seen that show for parts… so I can´t tell
I believe that Saw Paing is the character that uses it.
@@kaplian2921 no they use Muay Thai.. nobody uses lewthai in kengan Ashura as fas as anime goes.
mijanul haque pretty sure it is saw Paing
@@mijanulhaque5384 season 2 episode 3 is all about it
Defense is very different without gloves
Very true. I believe that keeping your hands up came from wearing the gloves because they are giant pillows but you in bare knuckle fights the punches just slip through your arms. Better to dodge them instead of blocking.
@@MrWhatevertoday the gloves in mma are tiny though
@@greninjaplayz6833 yeah good point. i was thinking of boxing gloves.
@@MrWhatevertoday yep mma is the most realistic fight without it risk of every fighter who does it ending up with disabilities
Martial Villager I agree. The gloves should be downsized like how they used to be.
I am Burmese, I was front row ringside in 2016 at Leduc’s fight. I am so proud of my country’s sport - it’s unknown but it’s BADASS. Thank you Jo Rogan and Leduc for helping to bring this incredible art to the forefront.
He's an utter beast in Lethwei now. If you go back and watch his matches from like 4 years back, then his most recent ones. He has evolved. That right flying elbow fake out, dip down left hook is a monster. He jumps into a fake out elbow, which helps generate power into his left hook. It's amazing to see. when you first see it, it looks like he connects with the elbow, it's so fast.
you know most of elite thai can fight in lethwei easy without crying about rule set saiyok beat tuntunmin easy with 0 letwei experience if you know thai lang they always say weak point of lethwei attack aggressive but low defence skill
@@midorfeed312 I know a lot of local MT guys don't really think much of Lethwei as it's not as technical.
I just like watching it, and also like Leduc.
I am personally a beginner MT guy, but I also like lethwei.
@@awoken8infinite better stop watch leduc he is a dick he never fight with same size opponent when he go mma he lose in 24sec and he never success in mid level muaythai that why he go to Myanmar he trashtalk to buakaw and liam harrison but no big organisation want him big mouth low profile
@@midorfeed312 he's not gonna go to MMA though. also that's Lethwei, not Leduc. You can't blame a man for finding his niche and conquering it.
@@midorfeed312 The trash talk is pretty transparently to get attention to the sport and it clearly worked since people are still mad about it lol
He said "Thailand did a great thing, removing head-buts, to attract tourism". what a guy...
What do you mean
@@nomoresunforever3695 He probably means that's a lot of BS and is not an actual fact
Wise man don't wasting time listening to this guy
This idiot don’t know what he’s talking about and has obviously been getting his head filled with bullshit from the Burmese Uncles
Headbutt doest need training. Anyone can do that dirty move lol
This strikes me as a guy who couldn't cut it so found an obscure, less competitive niche he's could make his own.
Maybe so ... good for him!
It's not less competitive it's just that he is fighting in a weight class with very few truly talented fighters.just like muay thai the lead skilled fighters are at the lower weight classes.If he was fighting in a Lowe weight he's would get rekted
Yeah he seems like a bigger Western guy beating up malnourished Asians
@@mitchboogie7791 because thats what he is lol
@BlackRose right, but would the top lethwei guys be competitive in muay thai
Joe: “it’s crazy how you became this leithwei champion without really training” 😂😂 exactly
You do realise that Joe meant "not training" under the specific style of Lethwei? Because Dave was training Sanda, MMA wih Jeet Kune Do principles, adding headbutts, but had never been to Myanmar prior to his fight.
@@LeducLethwei you have to be VERY ARROGANT to make a comment like that. Only to point out he's STUDIED WHAT!?! JKD and SANDA!! No Wrestling background,Judo, Jiu-Jitsu,BJJ,Sambo,Catch as catch Can? Jeet Kune Do (is NOT the End all be all.. EVEN THE FOUNDER KNEW IT. DOES NOT OWN THE GROUND. JIU-JITSU, NOUS DEFIONS!! WE DEFEND THE GROUND.) Sanda is Kung Fu!!(Been shown to be inferior to TRUE COMBAT STYLES) I have a Black Belt in America Kenpo, Full Contact. Brown in both Judo and BJJ(under Gracie Barra system) I've been practicing MUAY THAI FOR 8 YEARS. I'm 38, I'm a Combat Vet and my Body is Barely hanging Together and I choose to ROLL EVERYDAY and Work out EVERYDAY. I'm in PEAK Street shape, Decent Gym shape(Cardio has been a bigger focus than strength since lock down) And I'll Fight, But NOT IN FIGHT SHAPE. I'm 6' 220, very small body fat Percentage and Very Flexible for my Appearance and Dexterous.
To call SOMEONE "STUPID"(Which is WHAT YOU SAID without saying it..🤬. Just Say that S**t!) ABOUT A COMMENT THAT CAN BE HEARD MANY WAYS, Shows your Insecurities and Basically says SEAMUS is Right...I LISTED OFF A Few of MY TRAINING accomplishments. WOULD I COMPETE IN A FIGHTING TOURNAMENT.. YES ACTUALLY.. I HAVE.. As an Amateur. I had an MMA Record of 4-0 all by way of Sub or KO. I'VE NEVER BEEN KNOCKED Unconscious by a Human Beings Fists.. EVER. Or Legs. I pulled a "man's"(If you can call that piece of garbage, "Terry" ,a Man) TOOTH from my forehead after about 6 headbutts to the Face. TOP MOUNT, CROSS CUT GI(Uniform BDU) CHOKE AND HEADBUTT TILL HE STOPS MOVING.
You have to BE EXTREMELY IGNORANT AS TO THE DEVELOPMENT of a Warrior. TO MAKE The comment You MADE TO SEAMUS, WHO'S ENTIRELY CORRECT. IT TAKES TRUE COMBAT TRAINING TO BE A GREAT COMBATANT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THAT...?? I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY TO YOU.
BUT TO COME OFF SO ARROGANT, TOWARDS ONE GUY.. AND YOU'RE LEDUC LETHWEI?? WHY AREN'T YOU GOING TO WAR WITH THE MULTIPLE PEOPLE SAYING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOOD? INSTEAD YOU INSULT SOMEONE, WHO BRINGS A GREAT STATEMENT TO LIGHT, 2 MONTHS LATER?
I THINK JOE, WAS ASKING WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.. AND IF YOU SAID ANYTHING ABOUT KUNG FU/SANDA/JKD TO JOE.. He'd FOLLOW Up by asking what REAL FIGHTING TECHNIQUES DID YOU STUDY.. YOU CAN'T DO MUAY THAI BECAUSE IT'S"POINTS AND GLOVES". But you Site SANDA A Point Based Sport as your training..? I'M Sorry But WHAT'S YOUR TRAINING? WHAT'S YOUR LEVEL? HOW DEEP DID YOU GET BEFORE GOING "PRO"?? I Faught and Beat AMs that WOULD slam you and Submit you from Side Control.. IF YOU'RE NO GOOD ON THE GROUND, YOU'RE A 1 DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER WHEN MANY DIMENSIONS ARE NEEDED TO BE A COMPLETE FIGHTER..
SEAMUS! I totally understand You. YOU'VE MADE AN EXCELLENT POINT. AND TO HAVE, WHO APPEARS TO BE "LEDUCK LETHWEI" Responding to you WITH SUCH ARROGANT AND IGNORANT WORDS. CONFOUNDS ME...
ISN'T HE A ZEN COMBATANT. DISCIPLINED.. A BUSHI!? WHY ATTACK SEAMUS FOR ASKING A QUESTION. AND TO PUT IT IN Understandable Terms.. His Training "Styles".. WELL... THEY'RE NOT THAT GOOD. Sanda is KUNG FU based(WE ALL KNOW HOW GOOD THAT IS AGAINST MMA..) AND Jeet Kune Do.. Is.. Well WHAT IS IT? Ever Evolving.. RIGHT! I'm working on my BJJ BLACK BELT. A STYLE THAT EVOLVED WHEN A JAPANESE COUNT TAUGHT SOME BRAZILIAN DUDES JIU-JITSU. AND IT WASN'T UNTIL LITTLE OLE HELIO GRACIE(being smaller. Discovered Different Ways to slip techniques and Set Up Submissions..) THUS THE BJJ WE KNOW(I know there's WAAAYY more then that. I'm going the Short Route for time) IS BASED OFF OF TINY VARIATIONS OF BASIC JIU-JITSU. I Started with Judo, went to Sunshine State Games Won Silver(Because I lost my Post and got Tossed.. DAMN!) TRAINING IS WHERE YOUR MIND GOES WHEN IT'S IN "BLACK KNOW", "ZERO THOUGHT" "DEAD HEAD".. It's the Shock of a COMBATIVE situation. You're Body WILL IMMEDIATELY GO TO IT'S HIGHEST LEVEL OF TRAINING.(TRAINING!!) BECAUSE IT'S MUSCLE MEMORY..TO DISREGARD TRAINING LIKE THAT ONLY EXPOSES YOUR WEAKNESSES TO THE REST OF THE WORLD..
AND TO HAVE THE DUCK HIMSELF RESPOND TO YOU 😂.. WHY? WHEN THERE'S So Many People Saying that HE CAN'T FIGHT.. BUT THEY CHOOSE TO START WITH YOU.. IDK WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.. Unless (They're Afraid of a Keyboard Fight..😂😂😄🤭😂)
I'M SORRY LEDUC LETHWEI. BUT SEAMUS HERE MAKES A VALID POINT. WHY ARE YOU MUCH MORE NEGATIVE THAN SEAMUS. DON'T TALK DOWN TO SOMEONE.. THAT'S A WEAK THING TO DO.. That's a Weak man's Weapon. A Small Minds Assault...
BTW, LOOK ME UP WHENEVER YOU'RE IN FLORIDA. If you Drop The Cash on the Table. I'LL "LET YOU KNOCK ME OUT".... right..😁
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@ジョージ様 Whatever YOU SAY MR.GEORGE! You've probably been in a "Handful" of Fights.. Hand To Hand.. I've Literally been in EVERY KIND OF FIGHT THERE IS.. Knife, Gun, Hands, A Big Rock IDGAF! I fight to Win, OR I FIGHT TO END!
Don't KID yourself that you can TEACH ME ANYTHING Not Already stored away in MY ROLODEX MEMORY!
You're the Kinda GEORGIE that Says" I don't Know what happened... I BLACKED OUT!" Cuz You don't know how to Breath through an Adrenaline DUMP! I Love How You Defend the "KING".. Are You Sworn to UPHOLD Your Loyal Duties to PROTECT THE KING??
WEAK!!! Your Kingsgaurd IS WEAK!
I love How you DELETE the REALIST COMMENT MADE! I'm A Complete Warrior! I've Been IN MORE Life or Death Situations Than YOU KNOW! TH-cam is a BUNCH OF PANSIES NOW!
WHAT A WAR HASN'T BEEN GOING ON FOR 15 YEARS! AND those Who've BEEN Through the Crucible CAN'T TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES! It's WAR! Not Patty Cake Play Time! My Deleted Comment Said Everything I needed TO SAY!
I'm Intense. NOT ANGRY! And If you cannot determine the Difference in the REAL REAL, You'll ESCALATE IT TO DANGER ZONE BABY! I've had Village Elders Screaming at me in Farsi, IF I TOOK It as ANGER I'd WRECK THE MISSION! They're Intense people who live in UNFORGIVING LANDS! With WAR All Around THEM!
Learn the Difference Between Intensity and ANGER! they ARE NOT THE SAME! NOT EVEN CLOSE! GotDang Idgits. And a "Terry" is a Terrorist. OR "Terry Taliban".. STUPID TH-cam!
For those who don't know this guy here is a resume:
Dave is tough fighter, to be fair he is what you can call a natural born fighter.
1- Tries a fighting career in Muay Thai but he is not good enough to make it to the big leagues. He blames the "too big" gloves for it.
2- Tries MMA but for the first time he has to face a guy of the same size loses in a one-sided fight. MMA too conpetitive, it s not for him
3- He travels to Myanmar fights like 10 fights in Lethwei (a version of muay thai with poor boxing but good headbuts) wins 5 times against smaller guys. Now he talks as if he was the best striker on the planet.
You got it all right .. Right in your face.
Coz Dave actually knocked out all 5 of his Muay Thai opponents. (that doesn’t include set-up betting fights)
He didn’t make it to the “Big League” though, because guess what! He was financially struggling and fight money in Muay Thai simply sucks.
After his first three Lethwei fights, he was already living rich.
Oh yeah, all his opponents in Lethwei were smaller than him, but in his debut in WLC, he fought a bigger opponent, he knocked that guy out anyway to claim his first WLC title.
At least, get your facts right when you try to write something in numerical order. 🤪
@@thomashan4963 So you are basicaly confiming what I said : He hasn't fought nobody in MT and fights smaller oponents. All the respect of the world for these guys in mianmar fighting in lethwei they are tough as hell but their striking ability is not on the same level than Top muay thai fighters.
@@kensen1070 I'm not saying Muay Thai is not good. I really believe some of the best martial artists in the world came from Muay Thai background. They know how to land beautiful strikes and earn points. I cannot deny that and I won't, because it's true. They are the real martial artists and bests in the world.
But when it comes to a guy like Dave, he is not a dancing guy. These Big leagues, they are not good enough for Dave, because he found Lethwei, which may not be a good sport or martial art, but a real fight.
And, now he trying challenge buakaw , buakaw he is 38 years old now and this guy David Leduc 28 years old his height 1.88 m and weight 176 lb but buakaw height 1.74 m and weight 158 lb ,Does he love to fight the fighter who smaller than him that much????
Aungla n Sang
I hope u knw
Somewhere Jonjones is trying to make this about him
Keep your head up muay thai it will get better i have been in the same situation
He doesn’t need to do it himself. He has haters like you who bring him up any chance you get.
@@muaythaiplaylist haters bring him an audience buddy. Youre welcome for getting your favorite fighter some airtime
Zach theDiver doesn’t need air time as long as no one can beat him :insert peds joke:”yea because of his meds to keep his dick up 🤣”
@3rd Eye youre so mad😂😂😂 casual😂😂😂 that's unique as fuck bro😂😂😂so mad😂😂😂 weeks later😂😂😂
"The Thai guys are the strongest kickers in the world"
This guy has never watched Who Killed Captain Alex!
SUPA KICKER
@@FreddieMcCrack Wha's happenin!
THE TAIGA IS IN THE CAGE
Man the man is killing us man
EVERYBODY IN UGANDA KNOWS KUNG FU
I get sick of the constant, "Which style is better?" debate.
It isn't going to end either. I hear that crap over and over also especially from people who don't practice any martial arts.
@@alanguages those are the usual ones who debate that, or casual martial arts trainers who aren't any good
For some reason ppl can’t comprehend it’s less of the art and more how you are training less rules and harder training is going to be more specific to real fighting and ultimately be more effective, but the issue which Bruce lee figured out is finding a balance on how to train smart and not recklessly to not destroy your body and still train specific to real fighting
I quite like Art Deco.
Well axtually theres no better just who trained more and perfected it more to your style those that are humble are many out there
TK Kirkland actually was there during the beginning of Lethwei.
TJ Kirkland actually invented Lethwei, real talk.
VladTV we out here lmao
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iAmSkilldog TK invented the martial arts.
Lethwei is to Muay Thai what backyard brawling is to mma
You got that all wrong Mr smart guy do your research
Nathan Godin
How about you do your research?
Like it or not, Muay Thai and kickboxing are the more technical battles.
Gtfo here with your ram bullshit.
it’s cool when you trim the fat like head butting.
@@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns you are right on the money there
Lethwei to Muay Thai = No holds-barred UFC to regulated UFC.
@@samathyos1277 just because they are on average more technical does not mean that Lethwei is inferior or less skilled. The first comment compared it to backyard brawling which is bullshit. Muay Thai and Kickboxing might be more technical (again on average)and removing headbutts may be good for protecting fighters and gaining acceptance but Lethwei is closer to true combat and less confined by the rules of sport and entertainment.
He conveniently forget to tell that he lost both his mma fight by striking "i'm the best striker" one after 3:30 in the first round and the second after 19 sec in the first too.
I have a PR/instagram/niche fighter feeling about this guy, despite having seen 5+ of his combats.
Well your feeling are just that, because he has proven he can fight well.
@Dr Chad ThunderCock What does MMA have to do with his skill set in Lethwei? Dave has dramatically evolved since these days.
@@LeducLethwei He still wouldnt fair well into MMA unless he sucks the fighter into his own game in standing.
you're right
@@michaelwinters2574 he has, in fact, not. He is a very incompetent striker that beats undersized opponents because he fights in a shallow weight class with no competition
He only mentions his round 1 TKO loss against Meunier, but "forgets" to mention his second professional MMA fight: 19 second TKO loss against Matsushima.
If it was due to a submission it's a little more forgivable
He probably mentioned that one because it was closer, more to talk about. That’s the kind of loss you go over in your mind, the other one he got TKO’d - not much to say.
@@AbacateSexy he said IF
Dave Leduc has been punished for wanting to be famous, scolding Muay Thai, Nai Khanomtom and Buakhao.
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He forgot because he sustained brain damage.😅
Umm no, Dave. As much as I think you're a good fighter and seem like a nice person, you weren't winning the striking exchange in the fight you're referring to. I'd also like to point out that you keep catching Lethwei fighters with a spinning elbow. That's the same technique Enriko Kehl used in a Muay Thai tournament and kept winning with it, because people didn't know how to react to it. Until he faced Buakaw (and later challenged him to a farce of a kickboxing match). I think what you bring to the table is unpredictability. Which is good. But I'm just saying that you couldn't win in the MMA matches (although you did win one iirc) because they knew what you were doing. Had they allowed headbutts like in the original cage fights, you'd definitely be in your element a lot more, but on the other hand, the MMA fighters would also be practicing for that. Food for thought. Btw, be careful not to get a permanent head injury from Lethwei, as from what I've understood, all the headbutting and no gloves make for a very rattled brain. Good luck.
His a shit muaythai fighter... hence why he rags on it all the time.
""""I'd also like to point out that you keep catching Lethwei fighters with a spinning elbow. That's the same technique Enriko Kehl used in a Muay Thai tournament and kept winning with it, because people didn't know how to react to it. Until he faced Buakaw (and later challenged him to a farce of a kickboxing match)"""" LOL! This technique was used by Burmese Lethwei fighter called Tha Man Kyar in 1983. Tha Man Kyar (Lethwei) vs. Saw Ruby (Western Boxer, international boxing experience). Tha Man Kyar used this technique to counter the boxer Saw Ruby's left jabs with surprise counter attack. Total 15 rounds (3 mins fight, 3 mins rest, at 3rd round Saw Ruby (boxer) got reversed elbow from Tha Man Kyar (Lethwei) and called for time out 3 minutes. Again 6th round Saw Ruby got reversed elbow and bye bye! Burmese actress called Swe Zin Htaite gave flowers to Tha Man Kyar. I was there. You made me laugh. It was in 1983, I was 23 year old. Where is Buakaw? Even Baukaw's father & mother didn't in love yet. LOL!
@leslie alcantara Uninformed and ignorant comment. You seem to confuse height with weight. If you imply that Dave fought bigger guys in MMA and only won in Lethwei because some guys where shorter, it couldn't be further from the truth. Dave's first mma fight was at 170lbs with no weight cut, against a heavier highly experience fighter who eventually went to UFC. Second fight, was his first attempt at cutting weight, to 155lbs, Dave was severely dehydrated and got caught with a lucky blow while locking a triangle choke. In to Lethwei he always fought at his walking 175lbs (80kg) and even fought a 91kg opponent while he was 80kg. All his opponent were same weight or heavier. If he would cut weight like all other fighters, he woud compete at 72-75kg (160-165lbs).
....like a open plain
street fight on the ring without the dirty tricks or surrounding advantage etc
Are talking the fight against Tun Tun or Too Too?? Cuz he was winning the exchanges in too too fight and losing against Tun Tun.
I think the similarities come more from the fact that the countries are so close. Originally all these styles where similar. But history has changed the path of many of these countries. British colonialism almost strangled Burmese martial arts. Lethwei tradition have been kept alive not by the Burmese but by the Karen. Where as Thailand was never colonized. But instead changed their martial art into a competitive ring sport that has garnered fighters a livable revenue. Now that Burma is opening up to the west, we will see how lethwei will change to get more audience, competitors and money in. Off course, lethwei needs to distinguish itself from Muay Thai, so I guess it will stay more brutal.
this dude like 6 foot whatever and be beating on little burmese starving men like "Yeah Im the champion!!" - He didn't make it past the lowest level of competition in muay thai but becomes a champion in open weight Lethwei lmao -
@DOUBLE RR416 yes they're different sports, especially since he fights smaller people in open weight fights and acts all high and mighty. He also likes to talk shit abt muay thai alottttt just cuz he couldn't do shit in the sport lmao
@DOUBLE RR416 he fights little asian guys because its
Open weight - wtf are you talking about lmao - buddy be like 75kg-80kg beating on dudes like 55kg-65kg In muay thai he had to have actual FAIR fights so he couldn't cut the line and be a SUPER CHAMPION - go to Burma no major competition fights like a few times and now he king of the whole sport aww ok - Muay Thai and Lethwei are very similar and have friendship fights on the Border every year - I actually live in Thailand and train fight for a living but whatever the only person sitting on their couch is you homeboy.
@DOUBLE RR416 this dude dissed muay thai and when all the muay thai champions that are his weight answered ready to fight him muay thai or lethwei rules (some of them not even caring about weight) he just blew them off oh I was just saying that shit online lmao - Nah he just wants to challenge buakaw for the fame - not come down in weight and fight his rules - but if you challenge somebody you gotta fight their rules. Mcgregger Challenged Mayweather to a Boxing match - thats how its sposed to work
@Komkritt he just says Buakaws name to make a buzz around himself - many champion level muay thai fighters of his weight stepped up to fight and he turned them all down - like if he get exposed as a clown it got to be against buakaw so he can get a career boost
Bottom line is this guy doesn’t have the right to patronise Muay Thai fighters when he’s never won a championship in a major Muay Thai stadium let alone ever even fought in one.
My dad used to train lethwai when he was younger, such a brutal sport. 👊
Was it on you or proper workout I’m having a wish moment
Did he use it on you? 😁
He’s not going to mention his second pro fight? Blames the first on ground and pound but he got tko in 19 seconds against Koyomi Matsushima
I think im only one whos not impressed with this dude. Im glad he found his niche but I feel like the dudes he fights are always smaller and from a less talented pool. He lost both of his pro mma fights and then went and did prison fighting/luthwei with a bunch of bums.
@@enriqueshockwave If i'm not mistaken Lethwai has no weight classes. So yeah he's gonna be bigger than most Lethwai fighters
he didn't mention it because of that "fighters ego" thing he was talking about
@@enriqueshockwave hmmm, the guys he fights in lethwei aren't bums. For sure. I live in Phuket. His level of Muay Thai wasn't even on the radar in the stadiums of Bangkok, which is why it's surprising he's smashing folks in Lethwei. I assure you this, if the Thai's ever want to get involved with Lethwei, there's no more competition.
@@archiehickox6518 yes they are bums just like muay thai the most talented fighters are at a smaller weight class 😒😒😒😒
I loved being in Thailand so much. I was in Chiang Mai (mentioned in this vid), other places in Thailand for a month last year and it was incredible. And so0o0o0o0o many Muay Thai fights!! :D
Damn made me miss Thailand more. Was in Phuket and it was the best vacation ever. Couldn't wait to get back and train there
@@maxryan6448 that's awesome bro you go to Patong beach?
@@TheReclusiveGamer Khao San Road is why you want to spend a few days in Bangkok. And to see some of the beautiful temples and different markets and stuff. I was south through the islands as well.
Please come to Issan guys, if you want the real gritty Muay Thai experience and see where all the greatest Thai fighters hail from + our economy needs you right now
@@user-bl9br3ry5k he went to chang mai to train lmaoo thats like going to macdonalds to try American gourmet food
I lived in Yangon for nine years and have watched him fight there...Leduc doesn't look like a fighter, but he kicks ass!
David Leduc to make this sport bigger than ufc
The first formal rules in Muay Thai were introduced after WWII so consider this to be the start of the new era of Modern Muay Thai: however; it has original roots that predate the "Sukhothai" era from the Thai tribal ancestors that travelled South from China into Thailand & even Malaysia.
@Kush Kunte they do its call muay lai tai for them
YES I trained in a Sukothai MUAY THAI School. We did DEVASTATING Headbutts!! His Style of headbut is a "Head Push". IT'S A QUICK, FOCUSED ON SOFT SKIN STRIKE!! Muay Thai Fighters are FAR TO TECHNICAL FOR HIM. FORGET POINTS. GO INTO A CIRCLE WITH FENCE and see which style wins. Give them BOTH 4OZ Gloves and let's SEE! And make his Competition at LEAST Close to his Size.. I KNOW there's Guys out there his Size that would DESTROY him. Get a DUTCH Kickboxer in there.. that's also probably a loss.
@Kush Kunte in malaysia we called it tomoi...
@Kush Kunte tomoi - muaythai
Lethwei isn't the only martial art that uses the headbutts as well. Kudo, a japanese form of mma bornt int the '80 (known as Daido Juku as well), uses them too and has traditionally no gloves. There are however big differences, such as one is a striking martial art and the other is a hybrid one, Lethwei has only shorts but Kudo has a full gi on, there's no protection for the head for the Burmese while there's a strange looking headgear for the Japanese.
In short, the world is small
Kyokushin with Judo/Bjj
Combat Sambo uses headbuts too (when head gear is on)
SIAM KINGDOM = Thailand has never been colonised please get this right. To make it short, The Siam Shrank or expand never really ployed under. And for the record the fall of Ayudhaya was and still is The biggest loss to Burmese armies to date Siam Kingdom gave away almost half of its territory Chiang Mai and Chiang Hai provinces included.
Siam pulled back and shrank to its smallest size but was never colonised. Details are extremely important to have a fine understanding and great admiration for Thai and Birmas people and culture rather than fall into the "against" comparaison. Thanks
True even the mongols never controlled thailand successfully
Siam/Thailand even joined the Axis powers in WW2 and fought against the Commonwealth, Dutch and US in South East Asia.
@Simon Tide how so?
@@victorphonepyae that is what i exactly described above The Burmese owned almost half of Thailand from Center onward to north, Thailand gave away what they couldn't defend, and kept a smaller country but were not colonised by the Burmese if you will.
@but why Hello My Brother or Sister, it is nicer to use proper words, it will describe your point even better trust me. If you read somewhere that Thailand or Siam Kingdom as a whole had once disappeared under another kingdom, i for once read they lost many wars and gave away very large t erritories, but never gave up their kingdom a whole. i do not pretend i am the TRUTH. Also why not just admire the two kingdoms and all they have to share with the world nowadays. peace brother/ sister.
I had no idea who Dave Leduc was until now. I saw him many times at the hotel where I stayed at in Yangon. He seemed like a polite and respectful person, and definitely looked like a fighter.
and now the Myanmar government has more or less exiled him because of his poor morals and the way he carriers himself.
นักสู้ที่ไม่เคยพิสูจน์ตัวเองในเวทีระดับโลก😂
@@B0l0joe no accurate. You are confusing the Myanmar Lethwei federation (MLF) and the government itself. Dave is a legend in Myanmar and has diplomatic status, he can go back whenever he wishes.
I just watch this guy fight in a lethwei fight - he's pretty good. Long limbs, good striker
BUT he's nowhere near a Buakaw - in a Muay Thai or K1 fight, Buakaw would murder this dude.
I feel this guy doesn’t like to get leg kicked
He's a mediocre fighter when you compare him to world-class guys
@@krisrivera8058 nobody like to get leg kicked 😂
นักมวยคนนี้มีแต่ราคาคุย
Props to this guy for putting his body at risk for a 5 figure return
This dude is bigging himself up because he is a champion from fighting against guys half his size, every time he fight Muay Thai or MMA he's lost, and the history he's talking about is so fricking wrong, both Muay Thai and Lethwei were invented on the battlefield during war time, no country invented one before the other, and the fact that he said Muay boran is a new invention it is not, there are scriptures dating back 100s of years showing Muay boran
Thank you brudda and bless you🇹🇭💯
Well no, that's exactly what he said about Muay Boran, that it appeared hundreds of years ago after the Burmese had been pushed out. Doing a brief bit of internet research Lethwei is documented to nearly 2,000 years ago and Muay Boran is much younger than that and only appeared after the Burmese occupation of Tahiland. And again, a little bit of internet research shows that he hasn't lost every muay thai fight, and his fights are within weight classes, so he's not fighting smaller people either...
@@Matt_Alaric Our main city was burned to the ground and everything with it. Therefore we do not have the records but the proof is in the pudding.
@@user-bl9br3ry5k What pudding do you think proves Muay Boran is as old or older than Lethwei?
@@Matt_Alaric Im not sure if you understand the meaning of that so I’ll help you. Look and the end product and skill difference. all they’ve ever done is steal from us, why would we steal from them
What happens when Muay Thai fighters try lethwei?
Well, there once was a pretty bad Muay Thai fighter named Dave, with no hope for any success at all in Muay Thai, that became the so-called king of lethwei by beating up a lot of starved Burmese fighters half his size.
The good Muay Thai fighters has no interest in lethwei and why should they?
What?
STFU, douche
I like Dave
Truth
Lol these are straight facts too.
Dave Leduc is only fighting people below his weight fight Eddie Farrell
I worked with Eddie Farrell. He's a good bloke. Didn't realize he was well known.
Lethwei is how you would fight a muay thai fight on the street in a real right! Intense
Exploring the Ka with host Ra Castaldo basically any type of striking including boxing, karate... list goes on
MOS!!!! I'm here doing some research. Peace bro.
Except most people don't know how to headbutt correctly and end up injuring themselves more than the other person (on the street)..
@minzo nakul Lethwei is as effective as Muay Thai in a street fight, yk
@minzo nakul Bcoz Lethwei is less known and very few ppl actually practice it.. Due to this fact, Lethwei doesn't get much recognition while Muay Thai does.. Lethwei takes brutality one step ahead as it allows headbutts too, which makes it even more brutal than MT
This really puts Jon Jones standing on third base with a catcher’s glove.
So How come 90% of fights with muay thai fighters end up making these guy's look sloppy
I guess because of the sets of rules. Since there is no pointing system, there is not much sense of being a technical fighter. To hit and not to be hit would be very difficult to win.
@@joelempania6385 it's because he's not actually a good fighter lol, he's just in a sport with very little competition
@@joelempania6385 you know most of elite thai can fight in lethwei easy without crying about rule set saiyok beat tuntunmin easy with 0 letwei experience if you know thai lang they always say weak point of lethwei attack aggressive but low defence skill
Muay Thai has a lot bigger talent pool to draw from. Obviously they have higher quality fighters. That being said I think Lethwei is more fun to watch still
I took Gabriel Varga's opinion about Dave Leduc. "He might could fight, he might could take hits but for me his moves look sloppy". In my view Dave Leduc is not same level as Muay Thai high level fighters.
Different style and rules. Ignorant to say hes not the same level as Muay Thay fighters. Thats like saying Mike Tyson looks sloppy compared to MMA.
@@rivalx288 He has authority to say that, becoz he is a technician in Muay Thai. He made some innovation in Kickboxing/Muay Thai. Also he already won many world championships.
He's actually wrong though - Dave started at Muay Thai, also Sasha Moisa and Antonio Faria both are WLC world champions (lighter weight classes than dave's) both have Muay Thai backrounds and train at a Muay Thai gym. Also are a few sucelcessful Thai fighters in Lethwei like Payak Smaui...
WLC favors point fighters.
This dude is as hard as they come , I watched him fight and the head buts are lethal as fuck
Always ready to bless you, Dave. 😎😎😎
Not true! Thai and Burmese haven’t been fighting for thousands of years. Thailand is less than a thousand years old. At the time when Cambodia ruled Southeast Asia, Thailand did not exist yet. Muay Thai is originated in Cambodia, check out the art on the wall of the temples. In the 90’s Laos and Cambodia asked the ASEAN committee to renamed Muay Thai as Sovannaphoum Boxing, but Thailand disagreed because they wanted to claim the art.
I remember something about very ancient carvings of kick boxing at Khmer temple. It was them that probably started kick boxing.
But it's thailand that keep on passing the arts so stop being jealous man
facts
Won on the stage but disabled when older. Head is an important part must to be saved for all sports. For a long time is not good for long life, so the headbutt and bare knuckle were removed from Muay Thai sport over 100 years ago. So some Thai boxers can fight every months on the ring or one and a half month and somes can fight over 250-300 fights in their life. Muay Thai boxers have still good health when there are old. They can be trainers for younger boxers later.
Lethwei is pure entertainment, but they’re working on making the sport “safer” ever since Dave brought it out to the light
Most brutal martial art. To win, you have to knock the opponent unconcious.
multiple times. they get 30 minutes to come too. one of leducs title fights (he fights the same like 3 guys 5 times a piece)the guy gets stopped 5 times in one match. its not neccesarily brutal as its stupid
@@kai199025able lol brutal sports are obviously stupid, but they can take so they does
หมดสติ ยังมีปลุกตื่นพักได้ 2นาที บ้าป่าว กติกา ไร
Mma boys be technical until they get headbutted 🤣
Any pro MMA fighter would destroy a lethwei fighter in a real fight headbutts don’t mean shit when your on your back getting your skull pounded in
I think he would receive a real challenge in MMA that he hasn't seen in a long time.
I live in Thailand and I didn't hate him at all, He is a very good fighter, He learns new thing every time, 1st he learns muay Thai know about of thing about muay Thai history why muay Thai no headbutt Muay Boran can headbutt, He explains different thing between Lethwei and muay Thai easy to understand and Lethwei is a very good tool for him.
Bruh 😂 he said muay thai allowed headbutt in 90s that the king move out the headbutts.He said like that.😂 how u listened?
Bro common he disrespected Thailand he was a nobody back then in Muay Thai but I give it to him in lethwei do
What this guy forgot to tell you is that the Thais who fight in Burma are not top-level fighters. If you were to put the strongest Lethwei champion (Tun Tun Min) against a strong Nak Muay (Singdam, for instance) there would probably be no story. There is a reason why technique is so important: because flawless technique enhances power and maximizes efficiency, whereas brutality works only on the weak, inexperienced ones. Technique dominates brutality.
Hahaha yeah, sometimes, but definitely not always
Htun Htaung is 2008 Muay Thai champion and he lost to Lone chaw from Burma. Search it up before you sound like ignorant Muay Thai fanboy😂
Singdam would get KOed withotut gloves, by a legendary puncher like Tun Tun Min.
I think this was Rogans best guest in just how into his art with heart he is and his story is crazeee too. Basically became Myanmar but he was first Canadian like me🙂🙂🙂
muay boran was the first martial art i got heavily involved in. sadly i never learned about lethwei back then
Just started learning kickboxing and Muay Thai. Have my first kickboxing bout next month. Might have to take a look at this Lethwei 💯
Good luck, sir. Knock 'em out!
how long since you started training bro ?
@@meaty220 Thanks bro, already got two wins under my belt for boxing-Muay Thai and then MMA just feels like the natural progression.
@Romeo M Haha I'll try not to man
Good luck man
This is why the Aliens took GSP, to make this man.
Reminds me a bit of Brian Callon in The Hangover😂😂😂
Edited the comment so the replies below does not make sense 🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
A muay thai can with no proper training in the art of 9limb beats up your Lethwei champions and you guys love him because one of the guy he won against was muslim? never forget the Rohingya genocide
@@Mslt2474 someone hurt your feeling kid?
Who gives a fuck about lethwei
Samath Yos nobody
I want to train it. Lethwei, old school bareknuckle boxing, and muay thai are the only striking arts I'm interested in.
For now I wrestle though. That's all that's available to me.
Joe “my friend named Ham” Rogan looked confused when he said “Master Hang’n Dong, the donger needs food.”
anonymous Thanks!
Dave Leduc is well spoken as well, he seems like the guy who would just chill with anyone and not judge unless someone popped off. Doesn't look it but hes a fighting animal........like as someone else said maybe with a tiny splash of psychopath. Check out his highlights real I have watched it three times in a row and its pretty amazing. The fighter he beat to get the world title Too Too was killed by Myanmar army. The whole country, culture and sport I just learned about its fascinating!😃
Great martial arts 👊 thanks dave
Well you got his side of the story now ask a Thai fighter what's wrong with a burmese boxer !
Im offended because, as a muay thai enthousiast....i just started training lethwei 😂❤
Duuuuude, he is so proud with Lethwai. So straight up
Man I want to learn lethwei and muay thai. Right now I'm training collegiate and freestyle wrestling. I want to build a base on these. Bareknuckle striking, clinch, headbutts, takedowns and pins
@Wire haired Dachshund headbutts shut down bjj completely.
@North American TH-camr alright thanks for the advice there's a boxing gym near me but it costs double what the muay thai place near by charges. Wrestling is the cheapest but I want to supplement my wrestling with striking.
@@rye-bread5236 > but , butt , but !!!!
@Wire haired Dachshund My point is headbutts are underrated and useful. Especially when clinched. I would only train the sport for probably a month tbh. I'd focus completely on headbutts. Then transition to muay thai completely.
@@abcdef-kx2qt that's true. After this year is over and summer comes I'll start striking. During the school year I'll wrestle.
Lethwei is awesome I have watched a few fights in person
Get this dude in BKFC please!!
I'm Lao and I like hearing you talk about the historic Muay Lao, Thai, and so on.
Have you heard of lightning struck wood?
@@SI-ln6tc no, I've never heard about that
My nerd self thought they were talking about "tie fighters" when the video started.
He is being "too modest", Monier owned him completely. Leduc would perish in the Octagon once it went to the ground.
Love how he forgets to mention his other pro mma fight against a nobody where he was also TKO'd lol. But hey, at least he's big in Myanmar...
You’re such a fucking loser. Grow a pair and respect the man.
Yep. Basement Dweller.
@@ko2ni Sorry, can't respect a dude who dances around actual facts when asked about MMA records anyone can look up right now. Maybe he should respect the other dude that beat him and mention his name too?
@@archiehickox6518 Sounds like you don't disagree with anything I said but nice ad hominem anyways.
Dare any one of U keyboard warriors to Street fight him. Smfh bunch of fucktards.
We got a man from Nz in that tournament know him Cane the insane Conlan one bad ass dude fighting lethwei champions
Kayne "the Insane" Conlan.
I can't wait to see this guy in the UFC.
He destroyed a couple of UFC fighters.
@@TemplarX2 completely false, he try mma and lose(in an unknown organization) and go to lethwei, in the ufc he will be destroy
@@TemplarX2 Stop spreading false info
@@brucewayne4128 He defeated Seth Baczynski, who was in the UFC.
@@TemplarX2 A washed up Seth in Lethwei. It isn't the same as beating him in mma. He has no chance in the UFC at all.
Joe "Im a ring commentator for Leth Wei now" Rogan
Let + hwei . Thanks.
Can you include eye pokes please Jon Jones would be the greatest
Congrats with the spotify deal Joe.. please keep using TH-cam because I only watch here
It would be awesome to see Dave go into MMA.
The art of eight limbs... plus one
I want Lethwei in gyms in the USA!
It's only a matter of time when it will be
@@draytonseverson7321 i think so too
Man wish that we had some new Fights to see. Is Lethwei shut down right now?
The his breakdown is on point
Unlike your english
I feel exhausted listening to him haha
“The better guy won that night, for sure.”
Love this guy’s gusto, and humility.
There is a Buddhist saying: "An ungrateful person will never prosper."
1. In 2013, Lethwei being illegal in the province of Quebec[25] and having difficulty getting a fight in Myanmar, Leduc went on his first trip to neighboring Thailand to begin his professional career.[6] Myanmar's lack of training facilities led Leduc to leave everything behind and moved to Phuket in order to train at Tiger Muay Thai.[15][26][27] Leduc was invited to the 2016 Tiger Muaythai Tryouts and went on to win a place on the professional fight team, along with teammate Dan Hooker.[28]
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2. The Fight Begins: Dave Leduc @ Tiger Muay Thai & MMA, Thailand
Apr 23, 2013
Canadian fighter Dave Leduc is at the start of his fight career, he recently came to train at Tiger and took his first professional Muay Thai fight at Bangla Boxing Stadium.
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3. Dave Leduc (Tiger Muay Thai) vs Anthony (Yudtajak Muay Thai) @ Bangla Stadium 16/5/2014
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Amazing how lethwei, Muay thai , and Baktor are all similar and have roots to the kingdom of angkor , and seeing people in the comments talk about this is just sad , if u read the history of each martial art its amazing how they share similar orgins , i wish to learn both Muay thai , lethwei, and baktor as their techniqes seem very raw and simple
The Angkor Wall depicts a man fighting a lion.
Laos, Burma, Thailand and Cambodia don't have lions.
India has lions.
And the picture in the wall probably tells the origins of boxing from India.
Thailand has received many cultures from India.
Ramayana, Khon and others, Muay Thai may be influenced by Kalaripayattu of India,
which is more than 2,000 years old, it's a hand-to-hand and armed combat.
Muay Thai has been improved over time for use in combat during war. Different people have different styles. Therefore, Muay Thai is different as follows.
Muay Thai Boran Styles
th-cam.com/video/TPkQvzHmnSI/w-d-xo.html (Part 1)
th-cam.com/video/Od0R8-2BBqc/w-d-xo.html (Part 2)
Cambodia has been occupied by Thais for about 400 years if Khmer boxing is really good. Why is it a colony of Thailand for hundreds of years? Later it was a French colony.
Cambodia is therefore influenced by Kalaripayattu of India and Thai arts.
Cambodian bokator>>> th-cam.com/video/bX0ZvQ-Se0s/w-d-xo.html
This guy is badass af
I wish more combat sports allowed head butts. It totally changes the game
i would prefer they bring back knees and foot stomps to the head like pride, that changes the game..
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I'm gonna get brain damage for YOU? nah.
how many people with brain damage from boxing..and how many from pride, there are referees to stop it from going to far, and a flying knee to the face when some one shoots is less of a brain damager? 5 to 6 elbows ground n poundin is less damaging? get out of here
Lethwei is the craziest shit I have ever seen. I love watching it. I would never want to run up against one of those guys.
malnourished, impoverished and shoddy ass technique? Really? Dave is full of crap.
@but why I don't think so
@@yolog10 but he would, this guy is shit
@@tw0crows74 tbh you’ll never know bro
@@caustixsoda8125 salty Muay Thai fanboy detected
When I made some research about Muay Thai and Lethwei, two of these arts share similarities. Actually, old muay thai/boran has headbutt and no gloves.
that's interesting
This guy is lethal
Yeah, guess who’s banned from both countries.
It’s funny how Joe says it’s crazy how Dave adapted to lethwei so easily without any initial training. Dave is from Chelsea Quebec. I grew up there and we went to the same elementary school together. I was in his younger sister’s Rene graduation year. If I could explain properly just how much athletic talent comes up from there u wouldn’t even understand. There is something in the water as they say. I mean from Olympic pros to amateur and regional pros come from there. Literally like everyone there is super chill and very athletic lol
What was the initial training he should’ve received? Adding a headbutt?
The TKD kids here in Bangkok who later on transition to Muay Thai are the hardest n fastest kickers.
most explosive kickers
Hes so cool. You'd never know he'd shred you apart with his bare hands
Lethwei, Muay Thai, Muay Laos, Kun Khmer. Whatever you call.
For us it’s means “Boxing”
Historical Fact was the Land in between India and Vietnam to Singapore developed this as a way of fighting for at least 500 years and likely to be before 1300s. Which even before Thai Kingdoms ever exist.
King of Ayutthaya kingdom in Thailand used to be the “King of Kings” until lose to Burma in 2 occasions in 1569 and 1767
This boxing still continuous practice widely in all of this area until today.
This wasn’t impose to “colonised” country as he said. This is not like “Siamisesation” as Thailand did to Cambodia for 300 years before the French took Cambodia as their colony in 1863.
The Burmese Viceroy were relatively short lived due to political infighting , over concentration of power and failure to centralise state.
During era of “European Colonisation” King Rama V of Siam standardised the rule of boxing to wear 8oz. gloves and no head butted to be comparable to European after diplomatic match between Siam and French Cambodia resulted in the death of Cambodian fighter.
Therefore no one really had a concrete prove where this boxing came from. It just evolved over time.
Agree it a style; each country have their own style. Through time each style grew a part and become very unique though.
Idk cambodia has depiction of them doing Pradal Serey (mauy thai) long before the toungoo empire. I believe it was the 9th century.
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Ancient Burma never conquered the Khmer empire but the same goes for Burma. But the largest Southeast Asian empire was the Khmers. And Khmers practiced Bokator and Predal Serey.
He is the Kryptonite for Jones in a pure stand-up match.
I don't think he could make it to the top 15 in the lightweight division
@@mitchboogie7791 he literally can't even make it into bellator lmao he's a joke, he fight 5'3 asians in openweight fights
He's 0-2 in MMA with 2 tkos. And jones just beat dos santos in a pure stand up match
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Love that he repped Jeet Kune Do!
Thought he was talking about TIE fighters...... For a second. It's late.
It's okay. George Lucas loves you.
Bokator is most likely the "original" southeast Asian kickboxing. Why? The khmer/Cambodia empire was the largest and oldest empire of southeast Asia for a long period of time. Then the Burmese gained power after the Khmer empire went into decline. The same techniques you see in muay thai, lethwei etc are all in bokator/kun khmer. But Bokator is a system that also has weapons training and is meant for war. The kickboxing aspect was specialized in the boxing ring as kun khmer. Difference is Khmer had taken over all of southeast Asia and parts of Burma, maybe that's where Lethwei and all the other "muay" kickboxing got some ideas and roots.
U reckon their punches pretty the same, boxing style back then?
Wrong the largest empire in SEA is the kong bong dynasty of burma. And also lethwei is older than bokator. Bokator was created around 12th century while lethwei was created at the time of pyu which is like 2000years ago. Lethwei was not a system back in the day. It would be more like ancient MMA but there were barely any rules. Only win and lose exist. The word lethwei translate to "blood stained hand" or "bloody hand" as practioners fight bare knuckles and bleeds from their hands. And the rest is kinda the oppsite of everything u said.
Cambodia claims that Thai arts and culture are Khmer all the time.
The Angkor Wall depicts a man fighting a lion.
Laos, Burma, Thailand and Cambodia don't have lions.
India has lions.
And the picture in the wall probably tells the origins of boxing from India.
Thailand has received many cultures from India.
Ramayana, Khon and others, Muay Thai may be influenced by Kalaripayattu of India,
which is more than 2,000 years old, it's a hand-to-hand and armed combat.
Muay Thai has been improved over time for use in combat during war. Different people have different styles. Therefore, Muay Thai is different as follows.
Muay Thai Boran Styles
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Cambodia has been occupied by Thais for about 400 years if Khmer boxing is really good. Why is it a colony of Thailand for hundreds of years? Later it was a French colony.
Cambodia is therefore influenced by Kalaripayattu of India and Thai arts.
I have watched Bogator boxing. I almost died laughing so hard I couldn't stop.
Cambodian bokator>>> th-cam.com/video/bX0ZvQ-Se0s/w-d-xo.html
@@mamaisookjai4609 No kalaripayattu has no resemblance with lethwei,muay thai and bokator. Kalaripayattu is mostly weaponized martial art. All three of the above unarmed and they were more of a combat sport/system. Thai used krabi and krabong as armed system during ayutthya age. And burmese used bando and banshay for war during their kong bong age. About the lion thing u are correct about three of the countries not having lions. But i believe the lion u talking about is fabled lion beast i think its called dog of fo,chinthae from buddhism(buddhism came from india). Most buddhist country have that lion statue infront of their pagodas.
You said "All three of the above unarmed "
I said "may be influenced by Kalaripayattu of India"
Kalaripayattu differs from many other martial arts systems in that weapon based techniques are taught first, and barehanded techniques are taught last. In the past, Thailand mainly taught how to use weapons and boxing was also taught to defend yourself without weapons.
Kalaripayattu, its birth anywhere between 200 BCE and 600 CE, and its cresting popularity between the 14th and 16th centuries. But what has never varied, is the awe with which chroniclers and poets of different periods recorded the complexity of the techniques, the liquid beauty of the moves, and the enviable elasticity of the practitioners of Kalaripayattu.
National Kalaripayattu Tournament 2018 || Sword and shield || valpayattu (Skip until minute 1.38, it's a hand-to-hand combat.)
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Kalarippayat (Batons stick & krabong)
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Hello, Minggalaba. Please find a good boxer to beat this guy asap. You guy need to win your title back.
I dunno this guy, but I like him, lol. He seems like he has a genuinely nice personality and optimistic outlook on life (least from this clip)