China says its water battery has double the energy density of lithium
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- China says its water battery has double the energy density of lithium
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That discovery must surely have been a watershed moment.
😐👉🚪
Yes it be availeble in 30 years
perfect comment
A watershed, yep, tears. It didn’t work.
😂😂 good one...
Another one of those, 'It should be commercialized within the next five years'.
Game changer!
2 weeks YEHEHE
That's a variant of the zinc-bromide redox-flow battery. They showed a variant with a cadmium anode which however is not stable. Only the variant with a vanadium anode is in their lab. As such it is in a very early stage of development - quoting Prof Li “This study provides a new idea for the design of high-energy-density aqueous batteries, and may expand the aqueous batteries application in power batteries field”.
Where can I read further on it?
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 just google the citation (youtube regularly blocks direct links). I did find the original reports with "bromine aqueous battery" during last week.
There is an Australian company actually already producing these batteries, they are called RedFlow
Watt-hours Sam. Watt-hours! Watts is like answering "How far will it go" with "45 miles per hour". Not the same. I'm starting to think you are allergic to energy units.
Sam's apparent aversion to the correct units for Energy (kiloWatt-hours or kWh or kW-hr) mistakenly interchanged with the correct units for Power (kiloWatts or kW) is a very common confusion, particularly as relatively few are aware of the rather straightforward relationship between Energy (E), Power (P) and Time (t). That is: P x t = E, which is algebraicly equivalent to P = E / t, by dividing both sides of the equation for Energy (E) by time (t).
So, if Power (P) is given in units of Kilowatts (kW) and time (t) is given in hours (h), the units of Energy (E) = P (kW) x time (t) in hours (h) = kW x h and is most often abbreviated as kWh or kW-h or kW-hr or kW-hour or kW-hours.
Hope the above helps explain Sam's (and others') apparent determination to mistakenly interchange units of Energy (kWh) and units of Power (kW).
He also doesn't read or heed comments.
@@jamesvandamme7786he definitely reads the comments. I have had numerous comments disappear from this site.
No, he gets it right about once every video - maybe twice. I think its just an omission. True, many get it incorrect due to confusion. However, we better start getting it right because these particular laws of physics, or technology are going to be prevalent in the current scheme of things.
Yeah yeah yeah every other episode There's a new breakthrough in Battery Technology!?
Water batteries, nuclear diamond, solid state, sodium batteries, thermal salt storage. On and on it goes. And eventually all this research will yield insane advances. I think crazy unpredictable advances will be made that basically restructure the world as we know it. I’m filled with hope learning about how many people are constantly working on new ideas.
So many commentators pouring cold water over new research ideas, yet think they are very smart. I like your attitude!
Rubber band power might see a revival too. 🤣
Bromide has been used in batteries for hundreds of years., this is just a new twist.
China says it has developed a battery out of battery breakthroughs.
Ha
America has made a breakthrough in a new way at making town and they call it a tent city. 😂😂
The biggest drawback with solvent based batteries is they used to always be highly inflammable but this would change that and would actually make solid state batteries irrelevant. Makes sense.
The battery technology just gets better every day. If we would have started a hundred years ago we would be way ahead. But unfortunately we have been suppressed by big oil to protect their monopoly ,but now thank god we are back on track doing research that works for the best interest of all man kind and keeping our planet safe for our children in the future.
Watt-the-hell(!) China has gone from Lithium, to Sodium, and now Water ...in 2 freaking years(?) While the US is still trying to dig its way out of that $34T debt, when dollars are no longer 'good-as-gold'($...) It doesn't take an AI to tell you where this is going(.)
That’s because in the USA we are more worried about the right pronouns than innovation
Sam, energy is Watt hours.
Power is Watt.
The energy density unit is Watt hours per kg, or per Liter.
W = Power
Wh = Energy/Work
This makes sense, because Power is energy/work per time, so:
Wh/h = W.
Or one can use the unit joule for energy. 1kWh = 3.6MJ
Many batteries sold today only show voltage/amps, so saying 1200 watts per litre is perfectly fine and understandable.
@@sargfowler9603
You are correct, it‘s understandable, but not in the way you think. People literate in physics understand that the guy using them has no clue.
BTW, Batteries are label with „Ampere hours“, which together explicit written or implicit known Voltage gives VAh, or Wh.
He's def not the brightest.
@@caljeff2427 He is doing a good job. He needs not be an expert on the subject matter he reports on.
I'm holding out for the organic dirt battery that doesn't only save the planet, it can be recycled in your backyard
lemons and potatoes? and then you could compost them and grow them again. : )
Google Donald. Sadoway. He claims that his grid scale flow battery is as cheap as dirt because that is what it is made of.
And they're dirt cheap!😅
Mr. Fusion
there was a movie about that called the matrix
Oh China, please stop being awesome and embarassing everybody! Think of the poor fossil fuel and legacy auto companies! 🙂
How's the resale value of your EV working out for you little fella? BAHAHAHAHA!!!! 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@brucemitchell5637 how is your ICE resale value working out hahahahaha ... zero! lol
There is virtually no car in the world that has a good resale value after driving it for more than 400000Km and the current EV's batteries if used properly are already surpassing that threshold. At least for Canada, Northern USA and northern Europe where they use a lot of salt in the winter the value of any car goes down rapidly. The only way to slow down the depreciation is if you keep it in your garage and barely drive it. Otherwise simply ask yourself, would you buy an expensive ten year old car with 400000 Km on it? I know I wouldn't.
@@brucemitchell5637 resale of ev will change once batteries chemistry changes
@@levelazn When battery chemistry changes you say. That's every ten minutes if you follow Sam. He announces 14 new batteries every month. He's announced 182 "game changing" new battery technologies in the past 12 months. Pick your "game changer".
Thank you for sharing Sam. Water battery is not new, when I and other engineers experimented with water battery as a solid it was nullified by the amount of power it made to stay solid as in it uses power to generate electricity to be used in a heat pump to stay solid by keeping water below zero meaning it made no power at all however as a liquid the efficiency was too low to be useful. But as a gas it was hard to keep it contained so we tried other means and discovered better efficiency using olive oil and as you know the chemical properties of olive oil when it goes rancid it starts to break down and cause other issues in short circuits.
RedFlow, an Australian company, are already producing batteries based on this chemistry
We all know the best batteries are humans, as seen in that fascinating documentary "The Matrix".
I’m holding out for the piss battery.
Imagine recharging on those long family trips!
Well, since each battery has electrolyte inside and since piss is also electrolyte, so in a way, all battery runs on piss.
hi Viking; do a story on Neutrino-Proton collision batteries. These have a charge of 100 Terawatt per kilogram and do never go empty.
Years ago flammable materials used to be labelled inflammable. The meaning of the prefix really means more flammable.
I’d recommend self cooling
1 in a 100.... of the actual vehicle fires. Not of every 100
Air battery next....
So water battery in the summer and ice battery in the winter 🤔
What incredibly cool battery technology
nowsday battery is kept warm, even for alkaline battery, cuz temperature affects power rating
salt freezes at an lower tempearature :)
In tropical countries, there is no winter. Such batteries will be cheap source of energy storage. For countries with winter, look for something else that doesn't freeze.
BREAKING NEWS .........
Canada has just developed the
Maple Syrup Battery, It burns
easily, fireman must bring
thier own pancakes ....
i'm a maple battery and i'm ok.
i sleep all night and i work all day
Next it will be the dirt battery or the invisible battery. There's energy all around us and here we have trapped ourselves into burning a limited resource to get it?
HOW STUPID!
They have actually invented sand batteries however they are not suitable for use in automobiles do mostly to low energy density.
@@richardnwilson That and the sand getting into the wheel bearings! 🤣
And let's not forget the ambient air systems they're coming up with. Not really a battery but basically the circuit just runs on basically static.
Obviously, China is constantly developing battery technology.
China people have not stopped.
so many battery breakthroughs... believe it when it is in a mass production.
@The Electric Viking,
It is published in the journal "natural energy" Published: 23 April 2024. The title of the paper is as following:
Reversible multielectron transfer I−/IO3− cathode enabled by a hetero-halogen electrolyte for high-energy-density aqueous
batteries.
I would reckon you should have studied that paper first, before citing only news headlines.
Gelion in Australia has been working on zinc bromine batteries. They compare favorably to lead acid, not lithium. Would be great for marine applications.
Sure would be good to find a link to the comparison of EV fires vs ICE car fires. So many people quote this comparison, but I want to see the parameters used in the study. Did they compare the number of fires per 1000 cars on the road? Did they compare vehicles of the same age - or are much older ICE cars included? How was the destructive force of those fires considered? How were fires that started whilst not being driven, or not involved in an accident, taken into account?
please use correct energy units, watt-hours, not watts, a unit of power.
It's possible that a battery like this could be manufactured at a low price and if that happens then it could be an attractive option for grid energy storage
what would be the use case for a water battery? one thing you completely forgot : the molecular density of water is twice the density of lithium (1 g / cm3 vs 0,53 g / cm3). so 1kg water takes up more volume compared to lithium.
even at parity, a water battery is a massive advance forward
Not actually a water battery in that water is somehow providing the energy. Water is the primary electrolyte. Awesome for an additional layer of safety.
If we ever get to the situation where vehicles are literally powered by water (and I don’t mean steam) where a top up at home from the garden hose sees you on your way, THEN it will be genuinely game changing.
this is what i come to this channel for.
Getting somehing to work on the bench, in a lab is very different to having a commercial product.
Isn't that the first step to having a commercial product?
@@adamiskandar5107 Yes, but there's no knowing how long between the two.
I'm waiting for the solid state water battery.
in 1950s they sayed that fusion energy will be available for 50 years and now in 2020/24s they sayed fusion energy will be available for 50 years!!El. Viking videos about "new" bateries reminds on Fusion energy stories
Correction, Western researchers said. Here, it's a Western 'journalist' reporting on what Chinese researchers are doing and saying.
What ( water) a an amazing amount of watter hours!😮
I hope it is stable compared to lithium. However we heard a lot of promising battery news and then silence.
What about winter ?
ICE?
500 cycles, that's how many years? If it is small and cheap and fully recyclable, then the cycles are irrelevant. But one full cycle a week is still 10 years...
Yea if they can get the batteries cheap enough it would be like the newer ICE batteries that replace every few years
„Water battery“
or if you have a closer look „battery with wet electrolyte“.
Last month the game changer was the solid electrolyte battery.
Or maybe it was last week.
"It runs on water man"
We needs 350-400Wh/kg A.S.A.P , normal medium class EV should have 90-100kWh battery as a standard , and 120kWh as a long range . SUV 140-150kWh battery as a standard
Let's suspend the laws of physics immediately. This is an emergency. No filibusters allowed.
They're clearly reinvestigating a very old idea. The results of their research will be interesting.
Yes, there is no need to reinvent the wheel!
#doubt
Most battery technology breakthrough new releases seem to utilize large amounts of bovine waste.
Hello sir lam from India 🇮🇳
This sounds almost as good as the water fuel the Chinese used in their rockets.
The best battery, humans walking to their destination.
If you got injured in crash the electrolyte could be used as disinfectant
Br. ..however. we do not have much of Br.
Mega production with Br...
I do not think so
How about those Italian batteries???
A pizza gives me huge amounts of energy…
My revivifier invented like, the air battery, eh?
when will it be transferred to home batteries than
I just saw a chinese scientist at CATL developed a dirt battery that produces ten times the power of today's lithium ion battery using earthworms and two metal rods.
Link?
I didn't find any, maybe it's one of those fakes from CIA
@@roro4787 Not CIA, he probably made that up.
What about the Tofu Dregs battery. How is that one going ?
Works better than anything america came up with I heard.
They are being made in China already for e-scooters and low end EVs (but are prone to catching fire).
🤣🤣🤣
Ironically. Ru, Haohui & Xiang, Kaixiong & Zhou, Wei & Zhu, Yirong & Zhao, XS & Chen, Han. (2016). Bean-dreg-derived carbon materials used as superior anode material for lithium-ion batteries. Electrochimica Acta. 222. 10.1016/j.electacta.2016.10.202.
We just need Mr Fusion
They also claim southern China sea
China using that technology as energy storage for super grid especially from green energy sources.
Still many people think ev are not the future
Maybe they can start with grid storage on water 💦 batteries 🔋
But can it operate in minus 40° C and plus 40° C. And can it be recharged with supercharger how many cycles once twice per day like in a robot Taxi
You ask too many questions. Come back to the lab in 5 years and we'll see how they're doing.
Details, details. We can't let mere facts stand in the way of progress. Next, you'll start talking about those obsolete laws of physics passed by dead white guys.
All that Chinese battery news lately… I don’t know now it’s too much it feels like trolling.
500 charge might do if it lasts 15 yrs and is cheap
In the next years AI well make chemistry development without large research teams standard until you need to build the battery. Even patents will be questionable, and open source when its no longer humans coming up with the chemistry directly. Capital paired with mineral availability will be the dominant driving force which could well standardize the locations for manufacturing. Debt driven economies may then crumble.
Is this the first or second new battery vid today
"Claim"
"Watts per kg" does not make sense, you mean probably watt hours.
When you say WATTS, I think you meant Watt Hours ....RIGHT!!!???
As to this battery, I doubt it is as it seams, there are gotchas, like FREEZING! What is the freezing point of water with all that stuff in it?
What's the difference between an Australian and a Canadian or anyone else who lives in a cold climate where it actually freezes? An Australian who never sees cold temperatures will do an ENTIRE video on water based batteries for EVs and never once raise the issue of the viability of the technology in freezing temperatures. If a Canadian were presenting, that's the FIRST issue they would address in the video and if the answer is that the technology is not viable in freezing temperatures, the video would end at that point and the technology would only be regarded as relevant to the small portion of the earth that never sees freezing temperatures.
That's it. Is it possible to do an ethylene glycol battery sounds more like a vanadium redox flow battery... Again, different chemistry. You're hearing "water" but Sam needs to emphasize the diagram for the bromide reaction
Oh good, in EIGHT years when my new Tesla loan is paid off and they actually release these batteries to market, whatever new Tesla I buy should have them...
Tesla & Amprius ?!
The "I-Bro" battery
That's not how you pronounce aqueous (nor bromine for that matter).
China says...............LOL
Did ypu say these batteries use Cadmium. Wont that potentially cause environmental issues ?
Sam, you've got one of the best channels on youtube... keep up the good work. Love your stuff!
But how about reading and acknowledging the comments?
that's fu chiang, they re-purpose 'q' to replace 'ch' as in chair
Cd is Cadmium, its highly toxic. I wouldn't pay it too much attention until they have actual batteries in mass production.
With an attitude like yours, they will leave you far behind. That's why they were able to overtake Western 'science and technology'.
@@adamiskandar5107 China has not surpassed the west, they only recently figured out how to make the balls in ball point pens and jet engines, because this technology was highly classified. China is the country of copying (badly) and fake products (like AI with a person operating the microphone).
Yeah and graphine
"China says" welp thats all i needed to hear to call bullshit
How much do you know about China's science and technological advance? Before you realize, you may have to eat your own sh*t.
Fusion in ten years..
Where can i find the original research article?
You can’t mate, it’s just marketing BS.
@@MrPropanePete As a matter of fact, I've already found the article. YT will probably remove any link. So, here's the title: "Reversible multielectron transfer I−/IO3− cathode enabled by a hetero-halogen electrolyte for high-energy-density aqueous batteries." This was published in 23rd April, in the journal Nature. It's not a water battery tho. Only that the electrolytes are water based - basically salt water.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 Yep, getting an electron flow from particular metals inserted in a brine solution has been around since the late 1890’s.
Sounds like bullsh1t, but hope it's true.
China says a lot of things
soon to come liver based battery , human volunteering in work camps
Already exists - in US. Called Prison.
Already exists - in US. Called the prison industrial complex. Incarceraes more people than all Gulag combined.
Alcohol is the electrolyte.
Hot dog !!! Use a Chinese water ta crank a Toyota water engine ina cybertruck that floats !!!! Som cool asz tech HA
This seems silly
Swear on the leg that Chinese have a new battery better than lithium ion 😄
So….steam
Gamechanger...😂😂😂
No
Maybe it is a hydrogen battery, the name water is for advertissement.
Bright future. So many „breakthroughs“
Wish they would be real and won’t take 50years to go into markets
Sounds like a redflow battery to me. Just another Chinese copy of a Australian invention that has existed for at least 4 years
Invisible batteries are coming in
And next cars will be running on hydrogen ;)
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...keep it in your pants Chang, this is a family channel...
Here's your 50 cents. Go back to bed.
Go easy on Scam, i mean $am. He's just reading from a script.
Sound like they are Pissing it to the wind 😂
Wait and see who has the last laugh!
@@adamiskandar5107, ignorant like always to laugh first and cry at the end.
Your manners and speech remind everyone else of some women by the name of Gina Raimondo.
Vaporware...