Good Job Marco. I am a 58 year old japanese businessman. I do not have much time, but I always bought some packages and painted them here and there. Your channel is by far the best one I ever saw, you are providing us with real treasures of informations. Not just in this video but in general. Thank you very much and the work you put into this videos is highly appreciated.
This comment will be rather late, but I want to tell my story anyway. I am planning to hopefully buy and paint my first model soon. Due to where I live, scalecolor artist basic colors was the most affordable set I could find of high quality acrylic, and the user notes about it were intimidating. I'm very glad to find this video as it helps me understand the paint I'll be using before I use it.
Scale should be very happy with you. These paints have been out for a while but have received very, very few reviews. They’re a very special product, I like it a lot (I went for the full set in their KS), and I think it deserves to be better known.
I came here looking for clear and precise info on this product and was not disappointed. Big thumbs up for your work Marco, you're an amazing source of inspiration and information!
I am using these paints to do a fantasy army and I am loving them. Smooth, great coverage, great blending....and you use so little from the tubes. I am a fan.
I actually bought traditional acrylic guache because of your videos. It was very fun to paint with different types of paint. Experimenting with different mediums is half the fun.
Oh, what did you get? I bought a set of Acryla Gouache from Holbein, but I haven’t received it yet. I’m hoping it dries slowly enough to help with wet blending, and coverage is supposed to be excellent.
One of the things I like about these is that because they are less liquid you can, if you want, mix them unsmoothly, so there's some local variation to the colour. How I found out about them was through Asset Drop-they sent me three greens to try and suggested that I paint some moss, and I found that by mixing nearby colours very lazily I could get some nice organic looking effects with no real effort. So *that* ended up in me spending some money… ;).
Thank you so much Marco. I bought the basic colors set a few months ago to test them, and I’m totally in love with them. But it’s very useful to have a great test, challenging them with other products, and a sincerely opinion by a professional like you. Grazie veramente
I appreciate your honest review. I love these paints! I have the basic set from the kickstarter, it's nice to see they put the pigment on the tube now, originally they didn't have this info. It was only after pressure from the community that they finally provided it.
😉 Thanks buddy!!! Yeah part of the fun of using these paints is to play with their body. They can totally be diluted to cover every possible situation but their consistency unlocks new exciting possibilities 😁
Great review! I'm glad you compared them also to the artist acrylics as well as normal hobby paints. I wanted to buy some better paints as I'm fed up with transparency and mixing issues of the more popular brands and was leaning towards Kimera but I have a project with a lot of skin coming up so I think I'm going to try these instead as it means less mixing=more consistency.
This is is such an amazing channel, Thank you for the great content! Theese colors are a bit intimidating for me (i've painted for about a year now). But I've decided to order them anyways, from watching this video I feel like they could be a very valuable tool as a learning experience. As a way of understanding color and contrasts, this seems like a great tool . Now I just gotta buy some practice models to ruin while I try to get the consistency right :)
Just put mine to use and happened to see this video. These are great paints but the one flaw, unless its changed, is that they dont sell individual colors which ruins them in the long run as I wont want to replace the white and black over and over with the basic set as I will still end up with a lot of extras
Hi Marco, wanted to say thanks for this review! Initially, when this line first came out, I had to do tests myself. I tested the consistency and the lasting power inside the wet palette (since my main issue was the paint getting "soggy" when leaving it inside overnight), however, I only bought a greyscale to test it out. I was concerned and skeptical that it was only for the black and white pigments, but I'm glad to see that it's not an issue with other colors as well! I'm now convinced that I should get the rest of the colors. Paint companies should really sponsor you their paint lines to review because you covered a lot of key points that a lot of other reviewers don't cover like how it lasts overnight in a wet palette.
Your test on the black-primed card gives me a feeling the light paints are formulated with some kind of opacifier, maybe white PW 22, which is more transparent than PW6.
It's a pleasure! I can't guarantee that they can fit 100% your workflow but when you understand how to use their spectrum of consistencies they are pure fun to use 😁
I'm an intermediate painter that picked up a set from the kickstarter, I've tried them a few times but can't get them to work for me. They don't thin well for me. Further instruction on how to correctly use them would be appreciated
Just got my Kimera set and Alfonso Giraldes is one of the painters credited with the original idea of the set. That's bonus points for his Scale 75 product, then :)
Marco, your approach to the mixing and practical appreciation of paint and paint media is the best I've ever known. Like your Kimera review I'm left with a strong sense that I deserve to be able to use these paints for the sheer joy of having great tools to work with. That said, my hobby dollar is stretched all over and everything, models, games (kickstarter addiction), tools, paints has to be squeezed through a cost-benefit battle. To bring your paint reviews into absolute focus, and based on your impartiality born of just wanting the best stuff for your brushes and your models whoever makes it.. If like all of us here you already had a good range of our hobbies paints already, mine for example is pretty normal and happens to be 95% vallejo game colour, bits of GW and army painter mostly washes and Daler-Rowney inks, and you could stretch to around £100 maximum to add to it for now - what would your spend be? What would pass your rigorously determined test of paint qualities and bring the best beautiful new possibilities? I appreciate that Kimera and Scalecolour artist have similarities but also differences, but if you can't throw down the cash for a full set of both and live in that painting heaven, then what would you, Marco buy? I really must know! ;0) Looking at scalecolour boxes I thought the basic box but then though that's a nice red, I'd still need to buy a loose tube of magenta at least to be able to mix better colours, so long as the primary blue and yellow meet the same foundation pigment test? That would leave me just enough to stretch for a full set of Kimera and stay under the abstract but very real budget. But then more and more my colour contrast (hue) is coming from glazing, especially into the shadows, would it be better to swap in some heavy artist acrylics (I currently only have a few that were left when the wife stopped painting landscapes) for this so I'm not fighting the wonderful pigment densities into transparency for this? (and risking them break) Or are these great paints still fundamentally workable for that?? I know I've plucked a budget out of the air but if you'd consider the question and then give us your strong sense of the practicality it would really help those of us selecting without ever having been able to see these paints in the flesh. Your vids of course discuss with your measured depth of knowledge and experience and show the qualities there on the palette with accustomed camera quality, but my head still aches and once spent I've only one shot for a while. Appreciate it Marco, you are simply the best I've met at this stuff and my work benefits hugely from your joy, understanding and sheer ability to convey it simply and clearly. Maybe it's because we share a sci background, chemistry in my case. My thanks m8
*"I know I've plucked a budget out of the air" and maybe the same question at £60 or so would be well worth considering for a lot of folks too - was something I intended to have said, or whatever you yourself would guage as well????
If I have to choose a single set I would go with Kimera. It's cheaper, versatile and fits a bit better my style and workflow (but this is obviously very personal). When I want to test a new set of paints I always buy primary and secondary tones, black and white and maybe a couple of browns; this is everything you really need to mix and paint everything and a great way to stay even in a very limited budget (or to able to try more different brands and ranges)!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Marco you're the guy we need. What I'm taking from this is I'll buy a basic box set of Scalecolour artist and a loose tube of magenta, probably a true burnt sienna too, to complement the burnt sienna/umber in the box as soon as I can. That leaves me waiting as long as it takes for Kimera to get to making theirs available again. Already been waiting since your review vid, which feels like an age of looking at their pages each day, so if they just can't manage that in the next few weeks I'll probably pick up a scalecolour flesh box in the meantime and if it goes on and on look to some of the other box sets. Looking at my heavy body acrylics for glazing I need some more process cyan and that's about it for now so my glazing will go on from strength to strength. I'm thinking of making a move to using just oils for normal fleshtones on anything but tabletop quality units. you've guided me to a love affair with them. (don't tell the wife)
Of all the youtube I've watched (a lot), and the advice I've read, you're 90% of the quality improvement in my processes and results just on your own Marco. You've given me a lot more joy in my hobby and I bless you for it m8
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM I'm back to this vid after a year. I did buy exactly what I'd intended, a basic scalecolour box plus a magenta and a burnt sienna. My Kimera color box arrived not too much later (now carried by UK shops for future resupply!) and I've been using both for months. You recent speedpainting workflows have used the scalecolour thick and pretty pure to detail at the end, not highlighting but serves the same purpose and adds a ton of your texturing strokes. That's what brought me back. So now how have I ended up using them? Kimera have become my absolute goto for mixing shades and transitions, exploring colour theory, for painting anything beyond tabletop troop models. (still a lot of what I do) I use the scalecolours for detailing and trying to copy your bold texturing. They're superb for a one pass and done step to elevate models beyond the basic job. They make for easily readable embellishment and always repay the time spent brilliantly. For this reason even tabletop troops get a quick workover en masse. Often I get them on the table in a rush without and then comeback to them later to do it, somehow the fresh eyes help. Plus just embellishing a unit is a quick and relaxing spell of painting to treat myself to. My vallejo collection is now what I use through the airbrush and when blocking in colours on units. the proof of their relegation is that increasingly I open a bottle and have to rehabilitate the paint with my restoration mix (I mix thinner, some matt medium and a drop or two of flow improver to stir into the paint with a twist of wire in my dremel chuck)
I'm like you: if the packaging is gorgeous I WILL get interested. It usually also tells about the brand's selfrespect. I've been looking into getting back into modeling and I've become interested in painting minis and figures. So far on my to get list are these Scalecolors, Kimera paints, inks (forget the name) and oils... Most likely not Abteilung even if they're specialized for modeling. Though an airbrush does intrigue me too.
MegaLadysman1234 Absolutely not avoiding. It is a brilliant brand and absolutely wonderful paints. I'm a total newbie with oils and painting figures so having more oil in the paint makes the drying time longer. This way it will give me more time to spot errors and fix them. Abteilung's oils are designed for modeling and so have less oil (plastics do not absorb liquids like canvas) and thus the drying time is a lot shorter.
@@jaanikaapa6925 Ah right. I've painted a lot with typical intermediate and artist oils, and haven't noticed such an enormous difference with Abteilung; if you use a cardboard pallette that definitely makes a difference given the oil absorption. Ultimately I find Abteilung dries almost as slow as my WN oils for example.
Hey, Marco, great video as usual. Have you considered doing a tutorial on these? I got a set to try them out and I have to say I'm struggling to get them to work.
Check my previous video, there are 10 minutes of real time painting and much more footage where I use them on a model (there's a link also in this video)
Do these contain opacifiers / fillers? or is it purely the pigments listed like Kimera? As opacifiers might explain the less pigment density and they also market it as being with good coverage
So I have this whole set and they are great, I was ordering some stuff from AK Interactive’s site over in pain and I saw they have Abteilung 502 Artist Dense Acrylic paints which seem to be a direct competitor and they are way cheaper and now I'm super curious to try them.If you ever get some you should do a review of them.
Great review but could you tell me what the difference is between these paints and regular artist acrylics. Is there something that makes these paints more appropriate for miniture painting then say golden or any other type of artist grade acrylics. Keep up the good work
Awesome video as usual. Would you suggest the scale artists primary blue as a good option for a primary cyan or is there another colour you would choose?
Thank you for your review! I think I will buy the basic color set to do my homework as you call them. 😏 But one question: What colors of this artistic range would you recommend for CYM painting? Magenta of course, but also the primary blue and yellow? Or different one? 🤔
It's a pleasure 😁! Yes, magenta and primary yellow are a perfect match for CMY; primary blue is not the perfect cyan but a good approximation and the best option in the set
Another nice video. If you have to choose only one now with the years of practice, would you go for Kimera or scale artists? (I've understood that the paint doesn't make the artist, but I just have some ready mixed paints for now).
I would say Kimera (first/base set). Scale are a bit more user friendly at the beginning and an easier transition because of the size of the range but a bit less versatile in the long run and I like the idea of a very small efficient set to really push your mixing game. And after that this "missing link" there's the art store 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thanks a lot for the answer. And thanks for your channel, learning tons of things, now it's time to test ! (Painting my first miniature with oil over an acrylic base right now, a warhammer Throggoth), i like it, it's a new territory !
@@lord1napalm it's a pleasure 😊 Nice!!! Keep me updated 😉! The YT videos will be back in the next few days and you can pop in a Twitch stream and share your WIPs/ask me questions directly 😊
If I have to choose a single set I would go for Kimera because they suits better my style and workflow, but using them in combo is definitely the best option!
Hi Marco, did you see the "Color Theory Banshee" set made in cooperation with Alfonso Giraldez specifically for mixing colors using Scalecolor Artist and Inktensity? It looks like a very good all-in-one kit for someone who might not want to buy the entire range, yet who is also not satisfied with only the basic box, like myself. And I think it complements Kimera very nicely for a similar price.
That was super helpful thank you Maestro Frisonji! Also, I’ve got myself Kimera Kolors and are glad they’re higher saturated.. are they still the highest pigment rate colors available?! Greetings from Germany 🙌🏼🌞❤️🐝💨💨
Hey mate, great review and you answered a bunch of questions I had regarding these paints. Question for you if I may - all mini painters I know around here primarily use watercolour brushes, myself included. Given these are genuine acrylics as opposed to "typical" miniature paint, do you think brushes more suited to gouache may be advisable? What did you use and did you need to adjust your brushes/technique?
This is very interesting! I use Winsor&Newton Series7 for everything and I didn't have any issue with this kind of thickness but if you want to use Scale Artist thick as they come out from from the tube (totally legit) a more rigid brush, even synthetic, can be useful for the first layers of solid brushstrokes
@MarcoFrisoniNJM Nice video Marco! Can you tell how the paints behave compared to oils for wet blending? Obviously they will dry faster than oils but they seem like a good alternative, like an in-between.
Thanks man!!! It's almost impossible to beat oils in this territory but these acrylics (and any other heavy body line) are for sure the easiest and most satisfying to use for wet blending!!!
The term "scale color" (as opposed to the brand name) use to mean the changes in color due to the scale size. Painting a 1/700 scale model ship in US Navy "Haze Grey" is a different shade than painting the exact same ship but in a different scale. The same Haze Grey appears much darker on a 1/700 scale ship than it does on a 1/350 scale ship. It has something to do with the amount of surface area and the light that reflects off of varying sized models. I don't know enough about figure painting so I'll ask..."Is it the same for miniature figures ? Should colors be lightened to take into effect scale size" ?
I'm scared now to order to scale directly. I wanted to order them on Element games but available on the 13 July and I have a course on the 18th. We'll see...
Another great review, thanks a lot for that! I do have a question though. The paint looks way too thick to apply smoothly to a mini. How much do you have to thin it to get a nice smooth coat? Or does it spread out very smoothly on a small area like a small horn on a mini?
It's a pleasure! This kind of paints (even heavy body artist acrylics) are really smooth and easy to move and they can totally be used as they are or with a minimal amount of thinning. Check the video of the GodTear's warband where I use them almost undiluted!
Great video. Did you notice any solvent smell when using these scale artist paints? I’ve seen a couple people mention it and I’ve never noticed any with any of my previous hobby paint.
They (at least many of the colours) smell citrusy, and it's lovely. A few of my other paints have a slight chemical smell, but these are the only ones where I'd have thought to remark on it. I don't eat my paint, so I'm not qualified to comment on taste.
Good and thorough review. I bought the Basic colours, but would like to expand into CYMK paint mixing and scetch style painting. I have found the magenta in the line, but there seems to be no cyan other than "Cobalt Blue" - the pigment used is PB15:1 - Phtalocyanine Blue RS - Would that by Cyan? Thanks in advance.
Which would you recommend between these and the Kimera Kolors? I'm trying to start using a limited palette and more mixing. Love your videos, thank you for sharing!
What do you think if Game color. I found in dime yellow or Orange very poor coverage. Do you think os because specific colors ir It is something that happen to all the Game color brand?
It's a good classic range of hobby paints. That's the normal behaviour of those pigments and a sign that the pigment tends to be quite pure (extra pigments like white add opacity)
Hi! Yeah they have the blue light filter, but I have just a bit of myopia and I never really wear them at the painting table so I can't tell if that affects the fine colour perception... This is an interesting thing to investigate!
Thanks for this Marco! by any chance would you recommend other heavy body acrylics aside from the scale75 artist range, Jo Sonjas or Maimeri to paint miniatures? tbh it's just to save more money. I recently bought Jo Sonja paints and its definitely cheaper than the hobby paints and was wondering what other heavy body acrylics are viable for miniature painting.
My favourite brands for heavy body acrylics are Liquitex and Golden! Maimeri are a good option and a great value with their huge jars of paint but I noticed that they are a bit difficult to find outside Italy. I recently tried JoSonja and they work well on miniatures!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM thanks for the reply Marco! I have yet to try Liquitex and Golden on miniatures. Will try to buy a basic palette then go on from there.
hello! i just saw this video, im wondering which colors make the perfect picks for the cyan magenta and yellow colors? would you recommend the primary yellow, magenta, and primary blue? or is the turquoise blue more of a cyan in this range? I really want to try out the CMYK color palette with this paint range, im just not sure which paints are the right choice...thank you!
I’m also curious. I’ve been wanting Kimera since your last video but they’ve been out of stock while the scale colors is available now. I’m wondering if I should wait for Kimera to come back in stock or just get scale color
"Best paints for miniature painting" is the name of the video's series 😅. If I have to choose a single set I go with Kimera because they fit better in my way of painting
Hey Marco. My fellow aircraft mechanic at work and I have a bet going on. He's from Italy and I asked him to guess what part of Italy your accent might be from. Are you a northern or southern Italian?
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM thanks soooo much Marco. I'll be sure to let him know. My great grandma was born in a southern town in 1903. I'll figure out how to spell the name and let ya know. I live your vids man. Keep it up
The paint trays/wells come from companies like Tamiya, MrHobby, UStar, (now also AK Interactive has its own ak-interactive.com/product/modeling-paint-wells/ ). You can find them in any model shop or with better prices on eBay (sadly I still don't have a stable and safe link to share); my stash is a souvenir from Korea 😅
Thanks for the review. I'm torn by this kind of paints. I'm very experienced army painter and can whip up a big uniform army really quick using basic methods of airbrushing, GW washes and edge highlights. But I'm struggling to reach the next level. I could get this set, use it once or twice on practicing on some not so important miniature and then once I start painting yet another army I'd slip back to my comfort zone of GW paints and washes since the recipes are easy to reproduce and you get good speed/quality -ratio on progress. So (there is a question here) Marco (and other painters here on the comments as well) what are your opinions how to break this spell? Should I order the full range of these paints and throw away my GW collection or are these more suited for busts and Golden Demon "one miniature, four months" -style of painting. Cheers!
Hi! Super quick answer: you don't need to buy new paints 😁. The solution is not in a new set of colours and if you are comfortable with GW paints, stick with them (great painters like Antonio Peña for example use only GW paints!). You need to change your perspective on painting and find new ways more than new paints; that's why in my videos I constantly change styles, techniques and materials, to prove that you can achieve good results using whatever you want! Start moving outside your comfort zone, stop using pre made washes for a while, find a new technique that you like and try to master it... This can really help you 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM excellent advice, thanks. I am comfortable with GW paints that is true and I'm able to achieve good results with them. It is mostly about knowing what comes out when using certain paint. But I'm also always pushing to try new methods and painting alchemy to help me achieve cool results with even easier. The latest addition to the toolkit has been AK Streaking Grime which is awesome stuff. Your videos have also been great inspiration. After thinking about it for a while I think my main problem is that I want to paint everything so fast. I want to get things done and move on. A while back I painted two models with Scale75 Fantasy Set Paints and really like the result. And also bought the Angel Giraldez book and some Vallejo paints and managed to paint some lovely Infinity models. Some of the best miniatures I have painted for sure. But it took a lot of time. I think the key is that I have to learn to rush less and enjoy more :)
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM did you see they have a series 2 coming out? Fluro colours I’m there! But no really super bright normal colours. They might continue to expand tho!
Hey man, your videos inspired me and I spent way too much as my first dive into miniatures, but I'm still lacking inks. I was shopping around and I found a Vallejo set (to which I'd have to add a Liquitex white), System3 and FW sets at the same price. Is there any one of these you'd recommend over the others? Furthermore System3 and FW are from the same company, yet I can't find any differences between them from their descriptions, so I'm stuck deciding between the two (or a Vallejo ink set + Liquitex white). Many thanks!
Hi! Sorry for your wallet 😅. FW are classic acrylic inks, extreme fluidity, highly pigmented and in various levels of transparency. The System3 are all opaque so not really good for transparency effects! Vallejo and Scale75 inks are good but dry more quickly than artist inks (that could be a good or bad thing depending on the situation). My favourite brands are Liquitex (for the brighter tones) and FW (for the huge variety of interesting hues)!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thanks for the reply :-) I ended up going with Vallejo + Liquitex White, as the set came with 8 colors while the other options were only 5 (although 30ml as opposed to 17ml but I don't think I need too much quantity starting out). Actually the FW starter set was sold out so I could only pick the Muted set which isn't as versatile starting out. My only other real choice was System3 but I want the transparency option. Anyway, all supplies were bought, almost a month's worth of salary! Worth it.
Do you recommend getting this line if I want to start painting more busts and display pieces? I currently have a load of army painter paints, but I am not that happy with their coverage.
It depends on how you paint more than on the subject. If you like dense, covering paints for sketching and wet blending these can be the paints for you!
Hi Marco, I'm just getting into using these, but primarily mixing colours - I have the primaries, black, white, flesh, burnt umber, off white - and have just added magenta - do you know which of their artist range is the closest to a pure cyan?
I am not Marco of course, but you can use their "primary blue" or "cobalt blue". Primary is made of PB 15:3 pigments, "cobalt blue" made of 15:1. 15:3 has a bit of a green shade, 15:1 a bit of a red shade, but neither matters much. Both are original phthalocyanine blues, so they are the original cyan. PB 15:1 is used alot in printer inks and varnish.
Marco, great video again ! How would you deal with painting armies that have a peculiar scheme with these paints ? I see it would be hard to mix paints and get always the same exact color time after time (like painting a medium to large force of space marines with a singular color like sons of Horus for example). Thanks !
Thanks a million! If I need a custom colour for a large force I usually prepare a good quantity of the mix in a separate pot/bottle. For something like a warband/Killteam I simply write down the recipe and the proportions of the mix 😊
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Eh, each set costs more or less 20€, so I think I can afford one of them in this situation... The problem is that I don't know which one to buy
I guess I understand that they fill a "blend your own colors" role similar to Kimera, but it seems weird to me that Scale75 would compete against its own Scalecolor line. Is the idea that this line is for more experienced painters, or is there a reason for an experienced painter to still use scalecolor over this line? As it is, Scalecolor is already a bit of an expert-level paint it seems.
The Artist and Scalecolour line are very very different products! Scalecolors are good quality paints but definitely in hobby range. The Artist line with its thick consistency and the single pigments covers a different slice of market, plus having more options is always a good thing 😊
I had promised myself to finally stop buying paints... and now you there u are fueling my addiction again!!!!!! shame on u! ;) (anyway it's like with kimera: I am a shallow consumer and what really convinced me was the pretty box)
I do like those paints also, but I was wondering what your thoughts are about the controversies surrounding scale75. I didn't know about them until king of average summed some up. Anyway you might want to check his video out. th-cam.com/video/wXGF-Pkhjoc/w-d-xo.html
Good Job Marco. I am a 58 year old japanese businessman. I do not have much time, but I always bought some packages and painted them here and there. Your channel is by far the best one I ever saw, you are providing us with real treasures of informations. Not just in this video but in general. Thank you very much and the work you put into this videos is highly appreciated.
Thank you very very much to you!!! 😍 I really love how the videos put me in contact with fellow painters from all over the world 😁
I'll say it again, Marco has the best miniature painting channel on TH-cam. Great info. Thanks for sharing!!
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This comment will be rather late, but I want to tell my story anyway. I am planning to hopefully buy and paint my first model soon. Due to where I live, scalecolor artist basic colors was the most affordable set I could find of high quality acrylic, and the user notes about it were intimidating. I'm very glad to find this video as it helps me understand the paint I'll be using before I use it.
Scale should be very happy with you. These paints have been out for a while but have received very, very few reviews. They’re a very special product, I like it a lot (I went for the full set in their KS), and I think it deserves to be better known.
I just backed their books for painting miniatures. I am finding it difficult to find them here in the USA.
Great review, I will be picking some
of these up.
I really like the fact these won’t turn to washes overnight in your wetpallet.
I came here looking for clear and precise info on this product and was not disappointed. Big thumbs up for your work Marco, you're an amazing source of inspiration and information!
Thanks a million man!!!
I am using these paints to do a fantasy army and I am loving them. Smooth, great coverage, great blending....and you use so little from the tubes. I am a fan.
I may get some of the tubes, but which colors?
I actually bought traditional acrylic guache because of your videos. It was very fun to paint with different types of paint. Experimenting with different mediums is half the fun.
Oh, what did you get? I bought a set of Acryla Gouache from Holbein, but I haven’t received it yet. I’m hoping it dries slowly enough to help with wet blending, and coverage is supposed to be excellent.
One of the things I like about these is that because they are less liquid you can, if you want, mix them unsmoothly, so there's some local variation to the colour. How I found out about them was through Asset Drop-they sent me three greens to try and suggested that I paint some moss, and I found that by mixing nearby colours very lazily I could get some nice organic looking effects with no real effort. So *that* ended up in me spending some money… ;).
These have become my favorite final detail acylics they work well with loaded brush technique for me
Thank you so much Marco. I bought the basic colors set a few months ago to test them, and I’m totally in love with them. But it’s very useful to have a great test, challenging them with other products, and a sincerely opinion by a professional like you. Grazie veramente
I appreciate your honest review. I love these paints! I have the basic set from the kickstarter, it's nice to see they put the pigment on the tube now, originally they didn't have this info. It was only after pressure from the community that they finally provided it.
When you are just going to sleep but you can't miss a video about a superyoutuber trying scalecolor
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Exact same situation here - was heading to bed when I spied a new Marco video! Had to watch and it was useful!
Really great review Marco... always a pleasure.
All questions answered! Thank you!
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Thanks mate, I was watering them down waaay too much; this weekend I'll try again working with a thicker consistency. [thumbs up] great vid as always
😉 Thanks buddy!!! Yeah part of the fun of using these paints is to play with their body. They can totally be diluted to cover every possible situation but their consistency unlocks new exciting possibilities 😁
Great review! I'm glad you compared them also to the artist acrylics as well as normal hobby paints. I wanted to buy some better paints as I'm fed up with transparency and mixing issues of the more popular brands and was leaning towards Kimera but I have a project with a lot of skin coming up so I think I'm going to try these instead as it means less mixing=more consistency.
Thanks!!! This is a good plan 😉
I picked these paints up after recommendation from a friend and watching this video. Great review
Nice work Marco...I agree with you.knowing pigments helps...and leads the way towards paint by numbers approach all too frequent..
This is is such an amazing channel, Thank you for the great content! Theese colors are a bit intimidating for me (i've painted for about a year now). But I've decided to order them anyways, from watching this video I feel like they could be a very valuable tool as a learning experience. As a way of understanding color and contrasts, this seems like a great tool . Now I just gotta buy some practice models to ruin while I try to get the consistency right :)
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they have such a nice packagings.
Just put mine to use and happened to see this video. These are great paints but the one flaw, unless its changed, is that they dont sell individual colors which ruins them in the long run as I wont want to replace the white and black over and over with the basic set as I will still end up with a lot of extras
Sempre top anche nei consigli pratici e tecnici 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😉😉
Hi Marco, wanted to say thanks for this review! Initially, when this line first came out, I had to do tests myself. I tested the consistency and the lasting power inside the wet palette (since my main issue was the paint getting "soggy" when leaving it inside overnight), however, I only bought a greyscale to test it out. I was concerned and skeptical that it was only for the black and white pigments, but I'm glad to see that it's not an issue with other colors as well! I'm now convinced that I should get the rest of the colors. Paint companies should really sponsor you their paint lines to review because you covered a lot of key points that a lot of other reviewers don't cover like how it lasts overnight in a wet palette.
😁😊😍 Thanks a million man!!!
Your test on the black-primed card gives me a feeling the light paints are formulated with some kind of opacifier, maybe white PW 22, which is more transparent than PW6.
I heard their quality varies strongly from color to color. For now I have a few and am happy with them.
I still didn't used every single tube, but for now I can say that the quality is pretty stable and coherent!
thank you marco for this review, i'm honestly considering getting this line a try! even if i'm far from a mediocre painter myself :)
It's a pleasure! I can't guarantee that they can fit 100% your workflow but when you understand how to use their spectrum of consistencies they are pure fun to use 😁
Marco, love the channel, but still waiting to see how you paint black!!
I'm ordering a few of these sets this week. I've never seen acrylics that act like oils so much.
I'm an intermediate painter that picked up a set from the kickstarter, I've tried them a few times but can't get them to work for me. They don't thin well for me. Further instruction on how to correctly use them would be appreciated
Dammit!!! Now I want more colors! :)
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Just got my Kimera set and Alfonso Giraldes is one of the painters credited with the original idea of the set. That's bonus points for his Scale 75 product, then :)
Scale 75 does fantastic figures too
Very interesting and educational content, thank you Marco!
Thanks for these reviews! Have you ever tried Warcolours?
Thanks to you! No, I never had the chance to try them
Marco, your approach to the mixing and practical appreciation of paint and paint media is the best I've ever known. Like your Kimera review I'm left with a strong sense that I deserve to be able to use these paints for the sheer joy of having great tools to work with.
That said, my hobby dollar is stretched all over and everything, models, games (kickstarter addiction), tools, paints has to be squeezed through a cost-benefit battle.
To bring your paint reviews into absolute focus, and based on your impartiality born of just wanting the best stuff for your brushes and your models whoever makes it..
If like all of us here you already had a good range of our hobbies paints already, mine for example is pretty normal and happens to be 95% vallejo game colour, bits of GW and army painter mostly washes and Daler-Rowney inks, and you could stretch to around £100 maximum to add to it for now - what would your spend be?
What would pass your rigorously determined test of paint qualities and bring the best beautiful new possibilities?
I appreciate that Kimera and Scalecolour artist have similarities but also differences, but if you can't throw down the cash for a full set of both and live in that painting heaven, then what would you, Marco buy? I really must know! ;0)
Looking at scalecolour boxes I thought the basic box but then though that's a nice red, I'd still need to buy a loose tube of magenta at least to be able to mix better colours, so long as the primary blue and yellow meet the same foundation pigment test? That would leave me just enough to stretch for a full set of Kimera and stay under the abstract but very real budget.
But then more and more my colour contrast (hue) is coming from glazing, especially into the shadows, would it be better to swap in some heavy artist acrylics (I currently only have a few that were left when the wife stopped painting landscapes) for this so I'm not fighting the wonderful pigment densities into transparency for this? (and risking them break) Or are these great paints still fundamentally workable for that??
I know I've plucked a budget out of the air but if you'd consider the question and then give us your strong sense of the practicality it would really help those of us selecting without ever having been able to see these paints in the flesh. Your vids of course discuss with your measured depth of knowledge and experience and show the qualities there on the palette with accustomed camera quality, but my head still aches and once spent I've only one shot for a while.
Appreciate it Marco, you are simply the best I've met at this stuff and my work benefits hugely from your joy, understanding and sheer ability to convey it simply and clearly. Maybe it's because we share a sci background, chemistry in my case. My thanks m8
*"I know I've plucked a budget out of the air" and maybe the same question at £60 or so would be well worth considering for a lot of folks too - was something I intended to have said, or whatever you yourself would guage as well????
If I have to choose a single set I would go with Kimera. It's cheaper, versatile and fits a bit better my style and workflow (but this is obviously very personal).
When I want to test a new set of paints I always buy primary and secondary tones, black and white and maybe a couple of browns; this is everything you really need to mix and paint everything and a great way to stay even in a very limited budget (or to able to try more different brands and ranges)!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Marco you're the guy we need.
What I'm taking from this is I'll buy a basic box set of Scalecolour artist and a loose tube of magenta, probably a true burnt sienna too, to complement the burnt sienna/umber in the box as soon as I can.
That leaves me waiting as long as it takes for Kimera to get to making theirs available again. Already been waiting since your review vid, which feels like an age of looking at their pages each day, so if they just can't manage that in the next few weeks I'll probably pick up a scalecolour flesh box in the meantime and if it goes on and on look to some of the other box sets.
Looking at my heavy body acrylics for glazing I need some more process cyan and that's about it for now so my glazing will go on from strength to strength.
I'm thinking of making a move to using just oils for normal fleshtones on anything but tabletop quality units. you've guided me to a love affair with them. (don't tell the wife)
Of all the youtube I've watched (a lot), and the advice I've read, you're 90% of the quality improvement in my processes and results just on your own Marco. You've given me a lot more joy in my hobby and I bless you for it m8
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM I'm back to this vid after a year. I did buy exactly what I'd intended, a basic scalecolour box plus a magenta and a burnt sienna. My Kimera color box arrived not too much later (now carried by UK shops for future resupply!) and I've been using both for months.
You recent speedpainting workflows have used the scalecolour thick and pretty pure to detail at the end, not highlighting but serves the same purpose and adds a ton of your texturing strokes. That's what brought me back.
So now how have I ended up using them?
Kimera have become my absolute goto for mixing shades and transitions, exploring colour theory, for painting anything beyond tabletop troop models. (still a lot of what I do)
I use the scalecolours for detailing and trying to copy your bold texturing. They're superb for a one pass and done step to elevate models beyond the basic job. They make for easily readable embellishment and always repay the time spent brilliantly. For this reason even tabletop troops get a quick workover en masse. Often I get them on the table in a rush without and then comeback to them later to do it, somehow the fresh eyes help. Plus just embellishing a unit is a quick and relaxing spell of painting to treat myself to.
My vallejo collection is now what I use through the airbrush and when blocking in colours on units. the proof of their relegation is that increasingly I open a bottle and have to rehabilitate the paint with my restoration mix (I mix thinner, some matt medium and a drop or two of flow improver to stir into the paint with a twist of wire in my dremel chuck)
I'm like you: if the packaging is gorgeous I WILL get interested. It usually also tells about the brand's selfrespect.
I've been looking into getting back into modeling and I've become interested in painting minis and figures. So far on my to get list are these Scalecolors, Kimera paints, inks (forget the name) and oils... Most likely not Abteilung even if they're specialized for modeling. Though an airbrush does intrigue me too.
Our of curiosity, why are you avoid Abteilung?
MegaLadysman1234 Absolutely not avoiding. It is a brilliant brand and absolutely wonderful paints. I'm a total newbie with oils and painting figures so having more oil in the paint makes the drying time longer. This way it will give me more time to spot errors and fix them. Abteilung's oils are designed for modeling and so have less oil (plastics do not absorb liquids like canvas) and thus the drying time is a lot shorter.
@@jaanikaapa6925 Ah right. I've painted a lot with typical intermediate and artist oils, and haven't noticed such an enormous difference with Abteilung; if you use a cardboard pallette that definitely makes a difference given the oil absorption. Ultimately I find Abteilung dries almost as slow as my WN oils for example.
Hey, Marco, great video as usual. Have you considered doing a tutorial on these? I got a set to try them out and I have to say I'm struggling to get them to work.
Thanks!!! Sure thing 😉 in the meantime check my previous video; there are 10 minutes of real time painting using only Scale Artist in there 😉
Would have been great actually seeing you thinning and applying the paint properly on an actual model. Thanks for the review no less! :)
He does in a previous video and more are coming 😎😉
Check my previous video, there are 10 minutes of real time painting and much more footage where I use them on a model (there's a link also in this video)
Oh sorry then!! Mea culpa 😊
Do these contain opacifiers / fillers? or is it purely the pigments listed like Kimera? As opacifiers might explain the less pigment density and they also market it as being with good coverage
damn Marco, now i gotta buy more paints!
😂😂😂😂😂 This time I admit that is totally my fault!
I just recently switched to the scale75 fantasy and game colors and i can not say enough great things about them.
Me too 😎😊
Same here. I have been so disappointed with the Vallejo game colors I started with (especially the browns).
So I have this whole set and they are great, I was ordering some stuff from AK Interactive’s site over in pain and I saw they have Abteilung 502 Artist Dense Acrylic paints which seem to be a direct competitor and they are way cheaper and now I'm super curious to try them.If you ever get some you should do a review of them.
Great review but could you tell me what the difference is between these paints and regular artist acrylics. Is there something that makes these paints more appropriate for miniture painting then say golden or any other type of artist grade acrylics. Keep up the good work
Hey Marco have you considered selling your own merch?
Like.. I NEED that beanie in my life.
He really can sell paints!!!
I recently started thinking to this option! I have a couple of cool ideas 😁
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM As long as your ideas include shipping ability to China I'm onboard :)
I want that set, but I just bought the fantasy set from scale 75
(Also, I think your link in the description points to Vallejo glaze medium, even though it says Liquitex.)
Awesome video as usual. Would you suggest the scale artists primary blue as a good option for a primary cyan or is there another colour you would choose?
Thank you for your review! I think I will buy the basic color set to do my homework as you call them. 😏
But one question: What colors of this artistic range would you recommend for CYM painting? Magenta of course, but also the primary blue and yellow? Or different one? 🤔
It's a pleasure 😁! Yes, magenta and primary yellow are a perfect match for CMY; primary blue is not the perfect cyan but a good approximation and the best option in the set
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thanks a lot Marco! Allways a joy to watch your videos. (:
Another nice video. If you have to choose only one now with the years of practice, would you go for Kimera or scale artists? (I've understood that the paint doesn't make the artist, but I just have some ready mixed paints for now).
I would say Kimera (first/base set). Scale are a bit more user friendly at the beginning and an easier transition because of the size of the range but a bit less versatile in the long run and I like the idea of a very small efficient set to really push your mixing game. And after that this "missing link" there's the art store 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thanks a lot for the answer. And thanks for your channel, learning tons of things, now it's time to test ! (Painting my first miniature with oil over an acrylic base right now, a warhammer Throggoth), i like it, it's a new territory !
@@lord1napalm it's a pleasure 😊 Nice!!! Keep me updated 😉!
The YT videos will be back in the next few days and you can pop in a Twitch stream and share your WIPs/ask me questions directly 😊
What is your opinion between scale and kimera?
Do you think it's worth to have those two brands, for example for primary, secondary colors?
If I have to choose a single set I would go for Kimera because they suits better my style and workflow, but using them in combo is definitely the best option!
I backed these on kickstarter when I was *just* getting into painting and still haven't gotten the hang of using them.
Don't worry it's just a matter of time 😉
Great work as usual Marco. Damn you, more of my pension disappears!!! keep safe my friend.
😂😂😂 This time I can admit that it's all my fault 😅!
Hi Marco, did you see the "Color Theory Banshee" set made in cooperation with Alfonso Giraldez specifically for mixing colors using Scalecolor Artist and Inktensity? It looks like a very good all-in-one kit for someone who might not want to buy the entire range, yet who is also not satisfied with only the basic box, like myself. And I think it complements Kimera very nicely for a similar price.
That was super helpful thank you Maestro Frisonji! Also, I’ve got myself Kimera Kolors and are glad they’re higher saturated.. are they still the highest pigment rate colors available?! Greetings from Germany 🙌🏼🌞❤️🐝💨💨
so having used them for so long, which do you find yourself using more often; Kimera or Scalecolor?
Marco have you used their regular acrylic paints that come in dropper bottles? What do you think?
@Marco Having the Kimera kolor set which from the Scale range would complement better any missing colors from the Kimera set?
Cool.
Hey mate, great review and you answered a bunch of questions I had regarding these paints. Question for you if I may - all mini painters I know around here primarily use watercolour brushes, myself included. Given these are genuine acrylics as opposed to "typical" miniature paint, do you think brushes more suited to gouache may be advisable? What did you use and did you need to adjust your brushes/technique?
This is very interesting! I use Winsor&Newton Series7 for everything and I didn't have any issue with this kind of thickness but if you want to use Scale Artist thick as they come out from from the tube (totally legit) a more rigid brush, even synthetic, can be useful for the first layers of solid brushstrokes
@MarcoFrisoniNJM Nice video Marco! Can you tell how the paints behave compared to oils for wet blending? Obviously they will dry faster than oils but they seem like a good alternative, like an in-between.
Thanks man!!! It's almost impossible to beat oils in this territory but these acrylics (and any other heavy body line) are for sure the easiest and most satisfying to use for wet blending!!!
I think it's not call consistency but it's viscosity.
The term "scale color" (as opposed to the brand name) use to mean the changes in color due to the scale size. Painting a 1/700 scale model ship in US Navy "Haze Grey" is a different shade than painting the exact same ship but in a different scale. The same Haze Grey appears much darker on a 1/700 scale ship than it does on a 1/350 scale ship. It has something to do with the amount of surface area and the light that reflects off of varying sized models. I don't know enough about figure painting so I'll ask..."Is it the same for miniature figures ? Should colors be lightened to take into effect scale size" ?
I have purchased these but I am still waiting on them as the Covid has stopped shipping to my country from Spain. :(
Waiting for the parcel is always the worst part 😅😂😅
I'm scared now to order to scale directly. I wanted to order them on Element games but available on the 13 July and I have a course on the 18th. We'll see...
Another great review, thanks a lot for that! I do have a question though. The paint looks way too thick to apply smoothly to a mini. How much do you have to thin it to get a nice smooth coat? Or does it spread out very smoothly on a small area like a small horn on a mini?
It's a pleasure! This kind of paints (even heavy body artist acrylics) are really smooth and easy to move and they can totally be used as they are or with a minimal amount of thinning. Check the video of the GodTear's warband where I use them almost undiluted!
Great video. Did you notice any solvent smell when using these scale artist paints? I’ve seen a couple people mention it and I’ve never noticed any with any of my previous hobby paint.
I've never noticed any, or tasted anything noticeably worse. Though Scale75 paints tend to taste worse in general than other ranges in my experience.
They (at least many of the colours) smell citrusy, and it's lovely. A few of my other paints have a slight chemical smell, but these are the only ones where I'd have thought to remark on it. I don't eat my paint, so I'm not qualified to comment on taste.
thnx great vid ..:)
Good and thorough review. I bought the Basic colours, but would like to expand into CYMK paint mixing and scetch style painting. I have found the magenta in the line, but there seems to be no cyan other than "Cobalt Blue" - the pigment used is PB15:1 - Phtalocyanine Blue RS - Would that by Cyan?
Thanks in advance.
Which would you recommend between these and the Kimera Kolors? I'm trying to start using a limited palette and more mixing. Love your videos, thank you for sharing!
For a true all purpose, deeply satisfying selection of tones I would go with Kimera!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Great, thank you for the reply!
What do you think if Game color. I found in dime yellow or Orange very poor coverage. Do you think os because specific colors ir It is something that happen to all the Game color brand?
It's a good classic range of hobby paints. That's the normal behaviour of those pigments and a sign that the pigment tends to be quite pure (extra pigments like white add opacity)
Marco, what I am seeing is dropper bottles, is this different?
hey marco. Random question - Do you have blue light filter glasses on? It kinda looks like it and I was wondering if that affects your color mixing?
Hi! Yeah they have the blue light filter, but I have just a bit of myopia and I never really wear them at the painting table so I can't tell if that affects the fine colour perception... This is an interesting thing to investigate!
Thanks for this Marco!
by any chance would you recommend other heavy body acrylics aside from the scale75 artist range, Jo Sonjas or Maimeri to paint miniatures? tbh it's just to save more money. I recently bought Jo Sonja paints and its definitely cheaper than the hobby paints and was wondering what other heavy body acrylics are viable for miniature painting.
My favourite brands for heavy body acrylics are Liquitex and Golden! Maimeri are a good option and a great value with their huge jars of paint but I noticed that they are a bit difficult to find outside Italy. I recently tried JoSonja and they work well on miniatures!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM thanks for the reply Marco!
I have yet to try Liquitex and Golden on miniatures. Will try to buy a basic palette then go on from there.
hey Marco, i wonder, where did you find the file to print your gw pot holder ? i need one. just redid my knees with nuln oil one hour ago :'(
😂😂😂😂 It has been printed by a friend a while ago, I'll check if I can find it but I'm pretty sure it's on Thingiverse!
so...in your feel ...whats better SC Artist or Kimera ?
What about their finish? Are they as matt as the scale color range? I love those particularly because of this.
Yep.
I've only (so far) got the basic set and yes they are a super matt finish
Oh yeah the finish is super matt!
hello! i just saw this video, im wondering which colors make the perfect picks for the cyan magenta and yellow colors? would you recommend the primary yellow, magenta, and primary blue? or is the turquoise blue more of a cyan in this range? I really want to try out the CMYK color palette with this paint range, im just not sure which paints are the right choice...thank you!
Do you prefer Khimera or these paints? Just curious!
Hehehe... I was thinking the same, "did't he advertise Kimera as 'the best' already?" :D :D :D
I’m also curious. I’ve been wanting Kimera since your last video but they’ve been out of stock while the scale colors is available now. I’m wondering if I should wait for Kimera to come back in stock or just get scale color
If I have to choose a single set I choose Kimera. They suits better my workflow and my style plus I like to work with a smaller set!
"Best paints for miniature painting" is the name of the video's series 😅. If I have to choose a single set I go with Kimera because they fit better in my way of painting
@@cemeeks Same! I wonder when they will be back in...
Hey Marco. My fellow aircraft mechanic at work and I have a bet going on. He's from Italy and I asked him to guess what part of Italy your accent might be from. Are you a northern or southern Italian?
😁😂😁 I'm from Rimini, a little touristic city in Emilia Romagna 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM thanks soooo much Marco. I'll be sure to let him know. My great grandma was born in a southern town in 1903. I'll figure out how to spell the name and let ya know. I live your vids man. Keep it up
sorry for the question, but where did you get these little metal mixing helpers at 11:35?
The paint trays/wells come from companies like Tamiya, MrHobby, UStar, (now also AK Interactive has its own ak-interactive.com/product/modeling-paint-wells/ ). You can find them in any model shop or with better prices on eBay (sadly I still don't have a stable and safe link to share); my stash is a souvenir from Korea 😅
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thank you for answering!
Thanks for the review. I'm torn by this kind of paints. I'm very experienced army painter and can whip up a big uniform army really quick using basic methods of airbrushing, GW washes and edge highlights. But I'm struggling to reach the next level. I could get this set, use it once or twice on practicing on some not so important miniature and then once I start painting yet another army I'd slip back to my comfort zone of GW paints and washes since the recipes are easy to reproduce and you get good speed/quality -ratio on progress.
So (there is a question here) Marco (and other painters here on the comments as well) what are your opinions how to break this spell? Should I order the full range of these paints and throw away my GW collection or are these more suited for busts and Golden Demon "one miniature, four months" -style of painting.
Cheers!
Hi! Super quick answer: you don't need to buy new paints 😁. The solution is not in a new set of colours and if you are comfortable with GW paints, stick with them (great painters like Antonio Peña for example use only GW paints!). You need to change your perspective on painting and find new ways more than new paints; that's why in my videos I constantly change styles, techniques and materials, to prove that you can achieve good results using whatever you want!
Start moving outside your comfort zone, stop using pre made washes for a while, find a new technique that you like and try to master it... This can really help you 😉
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM excellent advice, thanks. I am comfortable with GW paints that is true and I'm able to achieve good results with them. It is mostly about knowing what comes out when using certain paint. But I'm also always pushing to try new methods and painting alchemy to help me achieve cool results with even easier. The latest addition to the toolkit has been AK Streaking Grime which is awesome stuff. Your videos have also been great inspiration.
After thinking about it for a while I think my main problem is that I want to paint everything so fast. I want to get things done and move on. A while back I painted two models with Scale75 Fantasy Set Paints and really like the result. And also bought the Angel Giraldez book and some Vallejo paints and managed to paint some lovely Infinity models. Some of the best miniatures I have painted for sure. But it took a lot of time. I think the key is that I have to learn to rush less and enjoy more :)
Marco, where do you get those metalic dishes to mix the paint?
Amazon or ebay. Metal paint mixing trays. Usually 10 or 12 for about 3 €.
For example on Amazon (germany) "Mr Hobby paint tray"
Marco sir. Have you tried the scalecolor Floww oil paints?
Yep! And I can only say, stick to art store oils ;)
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Ok! I assumed this as no one ever mentions them
@@terrydactyl2077 yeah and it's a pity... We could really use a dedicated range with smaller tubes and a selection of bright fantasy tones!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM did you see they have a series 2 coming out? Fluro colours I’m there! But no really super bright normal colours. They might continue to expand tho!
Ormai metto mi piace prima ancora di guardarli i tuoi video :'D
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Hey man, your videos inspired me and I spent way too much as my first dive into miniatures, but I'm still lacking inks. I was shopping around and I found a Vallejo set (to which I'd have to add a Liquitex white), System3 and FW sets at the same price. Is there any one of these you'd recommend over the others?
Furthermore System3 and FW are from the same company, yet I can't find any differences between them from their descriptions, so I'm stuck deciding between the two (or a Vallejo ink set + Liquitex white). Many thanks!
Hi! Sorry for your wallet 😅.
FW are classic acrylic inks, extreme fluidity, highly pigmented and in various levels of transparency. The System3 are all opaque so not really good for transparency effects! Vallejo and Scale75 inks are good but dry more quickly than artist inks (that could be a good or bad thing depending on the situation). My favourite brands are Liquitex (for the brighter tones) and FW (for the huge variety of interesting hues)!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thanks for the reply :-) I ended up going with Vallejo + Liquitex White, as the set came with 8 colors while the other options were only 5 (although 30ml as opposed to 17ml but I don't think I need too much quantity starting out). Actually the FW starter set was sold out so I could only pick the Muted set which isn't as versatile starting out. My only other real choice was System3 but I want the transparency option. Anyway, all supplies were bought, almost a month's worth of salary! Worth it.
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Have you tried Amsterdam inks by Royal Talens?
What will you be using them for more specifically? Apart from glazing and consistent mixing I seem to have missed the point
To paint models 😅
And as I said they are better and more interesting when used in their thick version than every other consistency
Marco please, contact scale75 or something, you gotta at-least get a little of the thousands people will be spending after this video ;).
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Do you recommend getting this line if I want to start painting more busts and display pieces? I currently have a load of army painter paints, but I am not that happy with their coverage.
It depends on how you paint more than on the subject. If you like dense, covering paints for sketching and wet blending these can be the paints for you!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Thanks for the reply. I have some of them, I will continue using them and see how they work for me in the long run.
@@boggakjetil that's probably the best solution. You should consider also Kimera colours if you like to mix your own tones
Hi Marco, I'm just getting into using these, but primarily mixing colours - I have the primaries, black, white, flesh, burnt umber, off white - and have just added magenta - do you know which of their artist range is the closest to a pure cyan?
I am not Marco of course, but you can use their "primary blue" or "cobalt blue". Primary is made of PB 15:3 pigments, "cobalt blue" made of 15:1. 15:3 has a bit of a green shade, 15:1 a bit of a red shade, but neither matters much. Both are original phthalocyanine blues, so they are the original cyan. PB 15:1 is used alot in printer inks and varnish.
Problem is the Kimeras are hardly in stock anywhere as far as I can tell.
They constantly come out in small batches, but you have to be quick
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM as you say that I just managed to get the box from pk-pro
@@Abraxis2012 Awesome!!!
Would you say these paints are similar to acrylic gouache?
Not really, they are much much more opaque and dense! But they have for sure a similar saturation and vibrance
Great review, I really should get these paints for my collection! And am I subbed to you yet? I've seen to that now!
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Are these not just the same thing as Windsor and Newton water mixable oils?
Nope! These are 100% acrylics
hello maestro
Marco, great video again ! How would you deal with painting armies that have a peculiar scheme with these paints ? I see it would be hard to mix paints and get always the same exact color time after time (like painting a medium to large force of space marines with a singular color like sons of Horus for example). Thanks !
Thanks a million! If I need a custom colour for a large force I usually prepare a good quantity of the mix in a separate pot/bottle. For something like a warband/Killteam I simply write down the recipe and the proportions of the mix 😊
Can I ask where there paints are available from ?
I put all the links in the description 😁
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Oops sorry did not see it.
Oh boy... here we go again....
*looks at wallet*
😂😂😂😂 It's a real risk this time!
@@MarcoFrisoniNJM Eh, each set costs more or less 20€, so I think I can afford one of them in this situation... The problem is that I don't know which one to buy
I guess I understand that they fill a "blend your own colors" role similar to Kimera, but it seems weird to me that Scale75 would compete against its own Scalecolor line. Is the idea that this line is for more experienced painters, or is there a reason for an experienced painter to still use scalecolor over this line? As it is, Scalecolor is already a bit of an expert-level paint it seems.
The Artist and Scalecolour line are very very different products! Scalecolors are good quality paints but definitely in hobby range.
The Artist line with its thick consistency and the single pigments covers a different slice of market, plus having more options is always a good thing 😊
I had promised myself to finally stop buying paints... and now you there u are fueling my addiction again!!!!!! shame on u! ;) (anyway it's like with kimera: I am a shallow consumer and what really convinced me was the pretty box)
I do like those paints also, but I was wondering what your thoughts are about the controversies surrounding scale75. I didn't know about them until king of average summed some up. Anyway you might want to check his video out. th-cam.com/video/wXGF-Pkhjoc/w-d-xo.html