The delay in reconnecting to the grid might be a feature and not a bug. Sometimes the grid goes on and off a few times before coming on steady, and the delay might help save your system from line surges.
Nah its a glitch, mines 20ms(says this in manual/specs). Someone did something wrong. My lights barely flicker let alone go off. Yes power flickers on and off, but the system just flickers with it so u dont even notice the power. I feel there is something wrong with his system, but hes renting, to spend that much and set up this system is crazy but hell make it all back from this video lol...
@@Defianthuman better that it never goes down. I have 3 UPS units in my home to protect various electronics. My systems are protected for 10-15 minutes, more than enough time for the NG generator to come online. Even better for those times the power 'chatters', nothing loses power during the chattering so can't lose power while it's rebooting from the previous dropout.
coils are so you can feed 240 V and have a center tap to get 120 V circuits. 240 VAC is fed on each end, with a center tap to get you 2 120 V AC circuits. This is normally supplied by the pole transformer, but since that is disconnected when running off the Cybertruck, this is needed.
Yep exactly. Cybertruck only outputs 240v single phase. No neutral. The backup gateway has a neutral forming transformer. Really similar to Enphase sunlight backup as enphase solar micro-inverters only output 240v too.
My guess is that it's a split-phase downstep transformer from 240 volts to 120, and the center tap is the common neutral?. Since the coils looked like a transformer. Sorry, I have a basic understanding of how split phase works in terms of obtaining a 240 VAC circuit. And while my father was a lineman we never talked about the nomenclature of a transformer. So this is the first time I've ever heard the term Center Tap. At least the post explained how the Gateway worked. Until now I was assuming it just back fed the electricity to the circuit breaker box. So at least my understanding is vastly improved in terms of how it works.But it's a shame the post didn't go into more details about how it converts single phase to a split phase service. Or the load power sharing function of the EVSE. And I was a little confusing since they used the term power sharing in two different contexts.
As someone who built a house years ago, they don't generally "finish" the garage walls in new builds except for the shared walls with the interior of the house in order to enclose insulation. I had to pay extra to fully finish and insulate my garage.
The shared walls are finished because they need to be fire rated, so the house occupants have time to escape in the event of a fire starting in the garage. Holding the insulation in is just a bonus, but you can install insulation without the drywall...
The solution I want is a house battery, like a PowerWall, that is supplemented by the vehicle's battery. The house battery could be 5 to 10 kWh, long enough to keep the lights and fridge on, and when a vehicle is plugged in it would enable power to the other larger breakers, and top up the house battery.
Look at a company called point guard energy. They have a home battery modular stack and advertise a 12.5 or 25kw EV DC bidirectional charger. It doesn't seem to be available yet though, and I haven't been able to find any vehicles it actually works with.
This is exactly why I built my Victron system. Keeping it small with just 1 5kWh battery for now and a portable power station too. Just need to figure out EVSEs that will integrate and if I need to get another inverter to do 240V or if I can stay with single phase. No problems running our whole home off a 5KVA multiplus for now. No EV yet😁
Can totally do what you want by adding a PowerWall to Kyle's setup and it would do this seamlessly. Or if handy you could go DIY with a more manual supplanting. Just need a car with V2L capability - to connect to a charger for your battery inverter.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneythanks for the hard work and large expense. New subscriber due to this vid. 15,000 mi already.how about a series of projects about CT operations like videos on the owner’s manual?
His cost is only $1500 and he'll make multiple videos on it more than paying for the install. Plus nothing says he can't pull the hardware when he moves out.
As a fyi, I have telsa gateway and 2 powerwall 3s batteries and time to switch from grid to back power is instantaneous, so fast its not even noticeable and wifi doesn't go down
Great detail in this video, thanks so much. And thanks to Tom and State Of Charge for the Ford system explanation. Our old home got a generator power outage backup system at about $14K. And it has to run once a week just to keep seals lubed, etc. It was propane fed so that's another ongoing cost. So I think the $10K is comparable but I agree it should be less given no genset motor etc. We now have a battery backed system controlled by SolArk with batteries by Micro Grid and it cost about $14K but it's integrated with our existing solar system. It switches over to battery in about 250ms which blows my mind but we tested it and yes, it's back up and running the home in 250ms! We don't even notice it. With grid tie and solar power, we hardly see any grid charges but that will change when we hit the winter here in Durango. Cheers and thanks again.
I like the delay when grid is restored. Many times, there is a huge spike and a dirty signal when power comes back. I have UPS units on a lot of equipment to protect from that. I'd rather wait several minutes to ensure the power is stable before switching.
$600 to install the wall connector from a panel that's less than 10 ft away seems awfully steep. This isn't the price of the wall connector, that's just the labor rate. It's maybe a 90 min job. If you were coming out for just one thing, yeah maybe I get it, but this is on top of another 4k install.
Love the video Kyle and Tom (love the cameo). Kyle one point on your setup, only thing I would say is that I think most homes even with 2 cars would probably be able to suffice with one EVSE. We are currently running one EV and one ICE vehicle and I have found that we only need to charge the EV 1-2 a week. I think our household would manage being able to share one EVSE across 2 vehicles. I would be interested to hear what other peoples experience is. Maybe a poll?
You're absolutely correct about them taking you for a ride on the price to maximize the Tesla credit. I had an electrician in Boulder county install my Rivian EVSE with dedicated 60amp breaker for $510 out the door. I paid the city permit directly which was < $100 as well.
I agree, but I do wish he would’ve given us an itemized bill from the company. They did have to bring in supplies like wire and conduit. The other thing is is they did have to move the wires for the AC and neither charger were close to the panel. So hard to tell, but my gut tells me you were taken for a ride.
22:15 they wrote stuff in Sharpie on the Gateway? Why don't they have some sort of label maker to just label it so you can peel them off if you need to make adjustments to your system at a later date?
Great video! There is a lower budget alternative with the Ford and GM (and Tesla?) trucks. While the automatic switchover in a minute or less is cool, most people would be happy just to be able to manually switch over their house to their giant truck battery and keep the essentials going for a few days. Just install a transfer switch and sub-panel with the essentials ($1.5 to 2K). Then buy a big cable ($250) to run from the truck’s 240V AC output to the transfer switch/subpanel. In case of an outage, plug the cable from the truck to the house, then manually flip the transfer switch.
The return of grid power wouldn't trigger the Telsa gateway to restore the connection to the grid unless it detects continuous power for more than 5 minutes. Typically this is done to avoid switching back to the grid while it is still unstable. Seems like the same functionality of the Gateway along with Powerwalls. The 2 second delay is disappointing. Should be seamless.
I think that Tesla can't know when the ac is synced. It would need more tech to the house side. And a more robust communication system than just wlan? 🤔
This is the most critical feature. The only time I've ever had anything damaged by the grid was during power restoration. Now I physically turn my main breaker off during an outage and give it 15 minutes or so after restoration before I turn my main breaker back on.
Agreed with Kyle about the cost of the installation on the PowerShare. Our neighborhood is rarely get power outages anyway. In case of emergency we can run couple of long power cords and 2 power strips from our truck.
Great video Kyle, excited to have this capability when I can get the CT. I currently have solar and a powerwall for my home and the switch over during a grid outage is even quicker, near instantaneous, so fast that appliance clocks don't get messed up. Cool technology and added value to the CT for sure!!
Yeah I got tired of the inflated estimates. They literally made no sense. My father in law (retired electrician) and I installed Hubbell 14-50, about five feet of 8 gauge, double throw 50 amp for a total cost of about $450 ($150 of that was the Hubbell. BTW the professionally installed quotes were made using a $10 Home Depot 14-50 yet they wanted $1300.00. 😅
@@smartlifesystems Awfully expensive labor. Took us about 2 hours. LOL Of course there were two of us. Moving a circuit around to make room for the double throw took the most time.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC I do not count your hours. I count company which have to be licensed, insured, come to your house, buy, maintain and insure vehicle for that, hire certified employee, have all the tools and equipment.....the list is much longer. If your hour wage is $50 (and you won't find electrician for hire for $50/hour at least in NY where I live). Company has to charge at least $250 to keep afloat if not doing shortcuts and breaking laws. I am not even counting big profits or backup/grow money.
When you do end up buying a house, span panel my guy. I did 11.75 kWh solar array with 2 PW3, Tesla UWC, and Span Panel. You can stretch the battery of a cyber truck ~45 days of intenernet and refrigerator lol. This is assumed no sun is seen for 45 days. Absolutely crazy. The Ford implementation is already a dinosaur. Fingers crossed I'll use my M3 and MY as power walls on wheels. Only time will tell.
The way that is wired, you can run the dryer and whatever else and charge cars. They spliced the Tesla control unit in-between the utility meter and your 150amp main braker. So, you have 200amp service to the Tesla wall connectors and the a/c unit. (but with lower value breakers for safety) The Tesla control unit then connects to the main breaker in the garage. Very well designed.
No, all power goes through the 150 amp main disconnect before it is connected to the Tesla Gateway. That's how he simulated the power failure, by turning off the 150 amp main disconnect.
Thanks for allowing me to geek out with you Kyle. I live in an apartment building that has absolutely no home charging whatsoever. I offered to pay out of pocket to install an EVSE, management said no, if they allowed me to do it then they'd have to let everyone do it. (and I'm thinking... what's the problem) So I live off of public charging, and I also have level 2 charging at work. So I don't get to play with all of these cool toys. Wish you well with your new digs brother. 😊
We have 3 Powerwalls and it takes about the same time to swap, unless you tell the gateway to do it even while the battery starts taking the load. The 5 minutes to go back on grid is the same as powerwall and we don't see a small outage when going back on-grid. We rolled 3 powerwalks with gateway, and we did put in solar at the same time so costs are not comparable. We can charge our Model Y off 'solar only' when it is available to keep down the use of grid power. I hope the Juniper has bidirectional charging.
An amazing amount of time that Kyle was actually not wearing his trademark hoodie. Also need to factor in the cost of a truck necessary for this to work. Will be nice if a SUV EV can power the house one day too.
One of the reasons the long delay isn’t necessarily a bad thing is that it gives time to know if it’s an actual outage or just a power “flash”. I could see the Tesla system getting very confused if it’s ready to react at a moment’s notice during grid power flashes.
We went with a roughly 8.5kW solar system with a Tesla Powerwall and gateway so provide power for the house when there's a power outage. The Tesla app really makes it easy to manage and see where all the power is going. Great video Kyle!
What channel is this? State of Charge? Lol. Excellent video as usual. My Chevy Bolt came with a wall outlet installation with a credit of up to a thousand dollars. My need was pretty basic. They installed the outlet right next to the breaker box in the garage and they also did a breaker upgrade. Didn't cost me a dime. I got an Emporia unit which I'm super happy with. I drive a jalopy to work 4 days a week and I drive the Bolt the rest of the week. I didn't really need the installation, but I know one day that my jalopy would shut down for good and I didn't want to be caught short. I keep the old 110 charger in the back of the Bolt just in case I may need it for something. Awesome vid. 🚙🇺🇸⚡🔌
I totally agree with your assessment, that the charges for installation were far too high. This is my top of head opinion and without any research. Over $10000 for bidirectional charging makes it unobtainable for most people. Thank you for your commitment and efforts to put this in front of the public, so we can all become aware of challenges in the energy transition and then more intelligently be able to apply pressure to help make things better for everyone.
Having spoken to numerous electricians about the Powershare program / credit for Cyberbeast owners, all have said that Qmerit is charging outrageous prices, and that the $4k credit should in reality cover the entirety of just about any typical job. They are allegedly fleecing Tesla / Cybertruck owners.
Auto makers could have AC V2H be optional when buying the vehicle. There could be a single design for the onboard charger, with the optional components left unpopulated as needed.
Anecdotal experience, the Powerwall and gateway when reconnecting to the grid is seamless, so perhaps because its new the 2-3 seconds of outage when reconnecting back to the grid will be fixed and unnoticable in a coming update. I can confirm that when there is a grid outage, there is a 2-3 second delay for the Powerwall to kick in so I think its working "within spec" :)
Great video Kyle, best of luck with the new home, I would love a series on this, what about a single Powerwall (or maybe 2 are required) for seamless transition from grid to battery + Cybertruck.
You may think you're paying too much for this install but you want to have your chargers at the front of the garage which is going to take 20 ft of wire just for one and that wire is probably going to be a number four check out and see how much that 20 ft of wire will cost. Then look at the wire going to the other side of the house and the other charger.
Why would the rental owner want the unit removed? It will leave a hole in the siding (damage to the unit) and reduces the potential rental base for future occupants.
For a landlord it's really of no use because most people don't have EVs, it's another thing to break, and it would be too complicated if you didn't understand how it worked and needed to fix it. They don't really care about holes in the wall, landlord will just fill it with spray foam and call it a day.
when you do go to learn about your electricity consumption highly reccomend the emporia energy vue.. super sweet to see all your consumption for each breaker.
The fact that Tesla got that down into one box is impressive engineering. That really simplifies the installation. Very short delay too. Looking forward to seeing what Rivian comes up with. It's still expensive but a lot of that is Qmerit being greedy.
Man this would be game changing for the house. The price does need to go down. Combo this with a small battery backup for when you need to use the car and your golden
Teslas engineering is so far ahead of other manufacturers as they can create a better solution with less complication and lower cost. Benefits everyone.
Cybertruck $80,000, $2500 Tesla equipment = $82,500 for 11.5KW (123 kWh) F-150 Lightning $55,000, $1300 bidirectional charger* + $3850 kit = $60,150 for 9.6KW (98kWh/131 kWh*) (*Bi-directional charger still comes with the extended range F-150, per Ford. Having a hard time finding an MSRP for it though?) The Ford system's inverter also doubles as a solar PV inverter, so that's a bonus if you plan to go that route. The sub panel is not strictly required, but you will need a transfer switch just like the Tesla system does. Overall you're paying more for what you get with the Tesla due to the cost of the truck itself.
@@elemenop718 I bought mine in February of this year, for $52,000 OTD. $7500 tax credit, $7500 rebate from Ford, $9600 dealer discount. XLT ER, no money down and about $1300 in trade equity, so my total financed after TTL was just over $50,700. The FCSP 80A charger was included, free of charge. I have not bought the home backup kit, though it might be tempting when one hits eBay. Currently I have a 30A generator inlet and manual transfer switch and interlock.
So basically your main panel is outside and your sub-panel is inside, adding a 50amp plug is basically what you are doing for $5.5k with a smart panel like the Anker panel for like $1.5k yeah way too expensive for something basic. Still 90% of that is free so good for you very cool.
So based upon this what I think is happening is that the Truck is outputting 240V not split...and the coil in that transfer for this is creating 120V. That is almost certainly what is happening
Great video Kyle. Thanks for sharing your experience. I like a way to power my home during a grid failure but, as you mentioned, $10k (plus the cost of the truck) is just way, way too much. I'll stick with my generator (under $1k) for now.
Depending on where the electrical panel is, it is pretty simple to set up a sub panel to provide a convenient way to handle multiple EV chargers as well as making it easy upgrade some of the equipment in the future. Furthermore with DIY, you can often go above and beyond the electrical code and still have things be cheaper than having a company do the work. When I did an extra circuit in my home, since it was in the garage, I did some outlets closer to the standard used for medical facilities, complete with isolated grounds, thicker gauge wires to minimize voltage drop across the line. While prices have gone up over time, the equipment cost is a small portion of the cost when an electrician is hired to do work, as long as you can work safely and follow all safety rules and guidelines, you can use the savings to go above and beyond.
The transfer is commonly referred to as “open transfer”, you will always have some amount of dead time with the transition. “Closed transfer” exists but is much more complex and wouldn’t be used in non mission critical applications. Granted, 2 seconds is pretty great
That's looks like a good open floor plan house and I think it's good experiment for powering your house with Tesla cybertruck and it's cool the owner of the house let you upgrade their garage since your renting
I agree these electric co's that partner with Qmerit and similar charge way more than a local electrician because they know your getting so much $$$ from the OEM. I am also shocked that your new home only has 150 amp service in this day of age. And in Colorado and no insulation the garage? I had so much trouble with Qmerit installers, I went with my own electrician and still saved money.
It's a small rental home. New construction is all about minimizing costs and 150A service is plenty for most people. I can almost guarantee nobody else in the neighborhood will ever come close to drawing as much power as Kyle's house.
..and you could keep your internet and a few other small things up with some individual UPS's on those items. I do that with my cable modem and router and my desktop PC because I work from home and we lose power (briefly) a LOT...
What happens if you plug the car in when the house doesn’t have power, does the truck have to be connected before the house looses power? What happens if you unplug the car while the house is running on the car? Does it let you?
I have a Rivian and heard Rivian will have a bidirectional wall connector soon. In the meantime, I have a EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 that gives me 4,000 watts of power. I'm suppose to be able to charge it from my Rivian while it supplies power to the house. But haven't got that to work yet. I think I need a transfer switch.
The reason they only finished some of the walls in the garage with sheetrock is because it is code to have the sheetrock on shared walls of the interior of your home. They save money by not doing the other walls.
Mines swinging in around $6300. Garage on the other side of the house detached from the panel. Need to run some comm wires so the wall connector can talk to the gateway. I’m still scratching my head on it. It’s hard when you don’t see a huge amount of materials and pure labor. I’m in tech, I don’t make 4K a day lol
I was considering getting the Tesla universal wall connector now that my parents have and EV making us a whole EV household. I ended up going with the GrizzlE Duo instead out of simplicity. It’s being doing a great job keeping our 3 EVs charged but I do wish it was smart. If they ever release a smart version of it I would probably upgrade to that. I miss the nerd data.
Two things… The “partial finish” in the garage is to code. In most jurisdictions you need a fire rated finish (the drywall) on the shared walls to an attached garage to the living space. The extra fee is the pro-rated labor for having home owner present and asking question.
Big benefit of using a cyber truck over a power wall is the size of the battery. Cyber truck is probably 100 plus kilowatt. A power wall I think is 13 kW. The output from the Cyber truck is much higher than the power wall as well. The bad thing about the two second or four second startup is that your electronics will do a reboot and your clocks will need to be reset. I have a 24 kilowatt neo Volta backup system which is similar to the power wall. I run my entire house except for 220 volt circuits on the neo Volta and when I switch off the grid there is not even a blink, so none of the clocks internet or anything else needs to be reset. Actually we had a power outage and we didn't even know it and my neighbors said my house was lit up when everything else was black. Cyber truck has four times the capacity which should be very beneficial for long-term power outages.😅
The delay in reconnecting to the grid might be a feature and not a bug. Sometimes the grid goes on and off a few times before coming on steady, and the delay might help save your system from line surges.
Nah its a glitch, mines 20ms(says this in manual/specs). Someone did something wrong. My lights barely flicker let alone go off. Yes power flickers on and off, but the system just flickers with it so u dont even notice the power. I feel there is something wrong with his system, but hes renting, to spend that much and set up this system is crazy but hell make it all back from this video lol...
The only thing you're missing is a UPS for your wifi.
Wifi and CCTV NVR. I have a NG generator and the UPS's are great for the change over.
It doesn't take long for a router to reboot
@@Defianthuman but better Never to .. Asia has many basic 12v batteries inline for this
@@Defianthuman better that it never goes down. I have 3 UPS units in my home to protect various electronics. My systems are protected for 10-15 minutes, more than enough time for the NG generator to come online. Even better for those times the power 'chatters', nothing loses power during the chattering so can't lose power while it's rebooting from the previous dropout.
coils are so you can feed 240 V and have a center tap to get 120 V circuits. 240 VAC is fed on each end, with a center tap to get you 2 120 V AC circuits. This is normally supplied by the pole transformer, but since that is disconnected when running off the Cybertruck, this is needed.
Yep exactly. Cybertruck only outputs 240v single phase. No neutral. The backup gateway has a neutral forming transformer. Really similar to Enphase sunlight backup as enphase solar micro-inverters only output 240v too.
@@ColeBlack2 double yep, the coils provide a function referred to as an autotransformer.
Yes, and they probably also work to reduce common mode voltage from the Cybertrucks inverter and provide ground isolation.
My guess is that it's a split-phase downstep transformer from 240 volts to 120, and the center tap is the common neutral?. Since the coils looked like a transformer.
Sorry, I have a basic understanding of how split phase works in terms of obtaining a 240 VAC circuit. And while my father was a lineman we never talked about the nomenclature of a transformer. So this is the first time I've ever heard the term Center Tap.
At least the post explained how the Gateway worked. Until now I was assuming it just back fed the electricity to the circuit breaker box. So at least my understanding is vastly improved in terms of how it works.But it's a shame the post didn't go into more details about how it converts single phase to a split phase service. Or the load power sharing function of the EVSE. And I was a little confusing since they used the term power sharing in two different contexts.
@@nc3826well that bothered me, too, until I ordered another boilermaker.
As someone who built a house years ago, they don't generally "finish" the garage walls in new builds except for the shared walls with the interior of the house in order to enclose insulation. I had to pay extra to fully finish and insulate my garage.
The shared walls are finished because they need to be fire rated, so the house occupants have time to escape in the event of a fire starting in the garage. Holding the insulation in is just a bonus, but you can install insulation without the drywall...
depends on where you live. My AZ new build had the entire garage drywalled. No insulation though.
The solution I want is a house battery, like a PowerWall, that is supplemented by the vehicle's battery. The house battery could be 5 to 10 kWh, long enough to keep the lights and fridge on, and when a vehicle is plugged in it would enable power to the other larger breakers, and top up the house battery.
An EG4 12KPV and either a server rack battery or two or their wall mount battery would be perfect for this (and most people's setups)
Look at a company called point guard energy. They have a home battery modular stack and advertise a 12.5 or 25kw EV DC bidirectional charger. It doesn't seem to be available yet though, and I haven't been able to find any vehicles it actually works with.
This is exactly why I built my Victron system. Keeping it small with just 1 5kWh battery for now and a portable power station too. Just need to figure out EVSEs that will integrate and if I need to get another inverter to do 240V or if I can stay with single phase. No problems running our whole home off a 5KVA multiplus for now. No EV yet😁
Can totally do what you want by adding a PowerWall to Kyle's setup and it would do this seamlessly. Or if handy you could go DIY with a more manual supplanting. Just need a car with V2L capability - to connect to a charger for your battery inverter.
This is the setup I have and will have once the CT arrives. Near perfect.
About the time it took for Tom to start his timer is all the Tesla needed to get the power back up 😅
Are you complimenting the Tesla system for being fast or mocking me for being slow?😑
@@anton_grahn nice alliteration 😵💫
The Tesla option is a requirement, for the short attention span generation.
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@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneythanks for the hard work and large expense. New subscriber due to this vid. 15,000 mi already.how about a series of projects about CT operations like videos on the owner’s manual?
Wow, installing an entire bidirectional integration system into a rental house that you don't own. That's an incredible benefit for the landlord!
His cost is only $1500 and he'll make multiple videos on it more than paying for the install. Plus nothing says he can't pull the hardware when he moves out.
Yes but I can't believe that the rental company is going to make them take it all out when they leave
@@sirgardensalot No chance (hadn't watched the whole video when I made this comment. That's insane...)
About 23 minutes into the video, Alyssa joins in and she actually says they MUST strip everything down and take it with them when (/if) they move.
Wasn't clear if Kyle had to take out everything or just the EVSEs? But it's crazy the landlord would wanted any of it removed.
As a fyi, I have telsa gateway and 2 powerwall 3s batteries and time to switch from grid to back power is instantaneous, so fast its not even noticeable and wifi doesn't go down
Great detail in this video, thanks so much. And thanks to Tom and State Of Charge for the Ford system explanation. Our old home got a generator power outage backup system at about $14K. And it has to run once a week just to keep seals lubed, etc. It was propane fed so that's another ongoing cost. So I think the $10K is comparable but I agree it should be less given no genset motor etc. We now have a battery backed system controlled by SolArk with batteries by Micro Grid and it cost about $14K but it's integrated with our existing solar system. It switches over to battery in about 250ms which blows my mind but we tested it and yes, it's back up and running the home in 250ms! We don't even notice it. With grid tie and solar power, we hardly see any grid charges but that will change when we hit the winter here in Durango. Cheers and thanks again.
I like the delay when grid is restored. Many times, there is a huge spike and a dirty signal when power comes back. I have UPS units on a lot of equipment to protect from that. I'd rather wait several minutes to ensure the power is stable before switching.
im a contractor just next door in Utah and in my opinion those numbers are right on. they don't seem inflated at all.
$600 to install the wall connector from a panel that's less than 10 ft away seems awfully steep. This isn't the price of the wall connector, that's just the labor rate. It's maybe a 90 min job.
If you were coming out for just one thing, yeah maybe I get it, but this is on top of another 4k install.
This is precisely what every EV needs to do!
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100% need to do the one month power share challenge! Use up those super charging credits 😂
32:05 Chomper 🤣🤣🤣 I love it!
I love when you collab with Tom
Would definitely love to see this system be able to augment an existing backup setup with powerwalls, basically act as an additional battery source.
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Love the video Kyle and Tom (love the cameo). Kyle one point on your setup, only thing I would say is that I think most homes even with 2 cars would probably be able to suffice with one EVSE. We are currently running one EV and one ICE vehicle and I have found that we only need to charge the EV 1-2 a week. I think our household would manage being able to share one EVSE across 2 vehicles. I would be interested to hear what other peoples experience is. Maybe a poll?
You're absolutely correct about them taking you for a ride on the price to maximize the Tesla credit. I had an electrician in Boulder county install my Rivian EVSE with dedicated 60amp breaker for $510 out the door. I paid the city permit directly which was < $100 as well.
I agree, but I do wish he would’ve given us an itemized bill from the company. They did have to bring in supplies like wire and conduit. The other thing is is they did have to move the wires for the AC and neither charger were close to the panel. So hard to tell, but my gut tells me you were taken for a ride.
22:15 they wrote stuff in Sharpie on the Gateway? Why don't they have some sort of label maker to just label it so you can peel them off if you need to make adjustments to your system at a later date?
One can wipe off the sharpie with a solvent such as IPA, and add a label at a later date as needed.
Too lazy sharpen a pencil
I think brake cleaner will remove a sharpie as well. But yea, a simple label maker would look more professional.
Agree, electricians may use terminology different than yours. Personalize it because it’s your money paying for it.
I thought the same thing when I saw that, it would’ve bugged me big time.
Great video! There is a lower budget alternative with the Ford and GM (and Tesla?) trucks. While the automatic switchover in a minute or less is cool, most people would be happy just to be able to manually switch over their house to their giant truck battery and keep the essentials going for a few days. Just install a transfer switch and sub-panel with the essentials ($1.5 to 2K). Then buy a big cable ($250) to run from the truck’s 240V AC output to the transfer switch/subpanel. In case of an outage, plug the cable from the truck to the house, then manually flip the transfer switch.
The return of grid power wouldn't trigger the Telsa gateway to restore the connection to the grid unless it detects continuous power for more than 5 minutes. Typically this is done to avoid switching back to the grid while it is still unstable. Seems like the same functionality of the Gateway along with Powerwalls. The 2 second delay is disappointing. Should be seamless.
Yeah seamless shouldn't be too difficult for Tesla inverter? 🤔
I think that Tesla can't know when the ac is synced. It would need more tech to the house side. And a more robust communication system than just wlan? 🤔
works best with battery in line
This is the most critical feature. The only time I've ever had anything damaged by the grid was during power restoration. Now I physically turn my main breaker off during an outage and give it 15 minutes or so after restoration before I turn my main breaker back on.
It’s really nice of the homeowner to allow you to install all of this.
A Deal of a Lifetime. Best Truck Ever.
Th truck to rule all trucks
Agreed with Kyle about the cost of the installation on the PowerShare. Our neighborhood is rarely get power outages anyway. In case of emergency we can run couple of long power cords and 2 power strips from our truck.
Agreed, With the EV Trucks having multiple outlets, just run extension cords the rare times power is out for a few hours.
So excited about this video!
Great video Kyle, excited to have this capability when I can get the CT. I currently have solar and a powerwall for my home and the switch over during a grid outage is even quicker, near instantaneous, so fast that appliance clocks don't get messed up. Cool technology and added value to the CT for sure!!
Yeah I got tired of the inflated estimates. They literally made no sense. My father in law (retired electrician) and I installed Hubbell 14-50, about five feet of 8 gauge, double throw 50 amp for a total cost of about $450 ($150 of that was the Hubbell. BTW the professionally installed quotes were made using a $10 Home Depot 14-50 yet they wanted $1300.00. 😅
one word...labor
@@smartlifesystems Awfully expensive labor. Took us about 2 hours. LOL Of course there were two of us. Moving a circuit around to make room for the double throw took the most time.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC I do not count your hours. I count company which have to be licensed, insured, come to your house, buy, maintain and insure vehicle for that, hire certified employee, have all the tools and equipment.....the list is much longer. If your hour wage is $50 (and you won't find electrician for hire for $50/hour at least in NY where I live). Company has to charge at least $250 to keep afloat if not doing shortcuts and breaking laws. I am not even counting big profits or backup/grow money.
Elon.... Please put Power Share on the new Model Y!!! Great video.... Stay safe, Tim
Bidirectional power, Solar and battery wall. This is the future/present.
When you do end up buying a house, span panel my guy. I did 11.75 kWh solar array with 2 PW3, Tesla UWC, and Span Panel. You can stretch the battery of a cyber truck ~45 days of intenernet and refrigerator lol. This is assumed no sun is seen for 45 days. Absolutely crazy. The Ford implementation is already a dinosaur. Fingers crossed I'll use my M3 and MY as power walls on wheels. Only time will tell.
Do you use evcc for management? I highly recommend!
I don’t see how you can use m3 & mY as powerwalls because they don’t have hardware, software, firmware to accomplish it.
Possibly DC2DC to the Powerwall 3? @@johnpoldo8817
I noticed the installer had a SPAN hat, was thinking Kyle should ask about that for his next house!
the ford system is good nothing to hate about dummy.
The way that is wired, you can run the dryer and whatever else and charge cars. They spliced the Tesla control unit in-between the utility meter and your 150amp main braker. So, you have 200amp service to the Tesla wall connectors and the a/c unit. (but with lower value breakers for safety) The Tesla control unit then connects to the main breaker in the garage. Very well designed.
No, all power goes through the 150 amp main disconnect before it is connected to the Tesla Gateway. That's how he simulated the power failure, by turning off the 150 amp main disconnect.
@ericjorgensen4826 that dosen't look like a breaker. It appears to be just a switch.
It could be🤷♂️. But it looks like a switch to me.
Thanks for allowing me to geek out with you Kyle. I live in an apartment building that has absolutely no home charging whatsoever. I offered to pay out of pocket to install an EVSE, management said no, if they allowed me to do it then they'd have to let everyone do it. (and I'm thinking... what's the problem) So I live off of public charging, and I also have level 2 charging at work. So I don't get to play with all of these cool toys. Wish you well with your new digs brother. 😊
We have 3 Powerwalls and it takes about the same time to swap, unless you tell the gateway to do it even while the battery starts taking the load. The 5 minutes to go back on grid is the same as powerwall and we don't see a small outage when going back on-grid. We rolled 3 powerwalks with gateway, and we did put in solar at the same time so costs are not comparable. We can charge our Model Y off 'solar only' when it is available to keep down the use of grid power.
I hope the Juniper has bidirectional charging.
Why is the Polestar bumper messed up?
I don't think it's messed up, if you look closely it has the same gap as the body panel behind the whee has, but at first I had the same reaction.
Top 5 most favorite OOS videos (behind old school M3P cross country vids ;)
They need to have this on other model as well. My wife model Y is at home all the time and it can use for this purpose!
A very informative video Kyle. The system looks amazing. Looking forward to future videos on this backup system.
An amazing amount of time that Kyle was actually not wearing his trademark hoodie. Also need to factor in the cost of a truck necessary for this to work. Will be nice if a SUV EV can power the house one day too.
The coil in the gateway is auto transformer. The vehicle is making 240vac and you need to make two legs of 120v. Auto transformer.
Yep, auto transformers have been around since the early days of Mr Westinghouse & Edison.
One of the reasons the long delay isn’t necessarily a bad thing is that it gives time to know if it’s an actual outage or just a power “flash”. I could see the Tesla system getting very confused if it’s ready to react at a moment’s notice during grid power flashes.
The owner of the electric ⚡️ company pops the champagne 🍾 cork from his million dollar home each time one of these installs come in😊
We went with a roughly 8.5kW solar system with a Tesla Powerwall and gateway so provide power for the house when there's a power outage. The Tesla app really makes it easy to manage and see where all the power is going. Great video Kyle!
What channel is this? State of Charge? Lol. Excellent video as usual. My Chevy Bolt came with a wall outlet installation with a credit of up to a thousand dollars. My need was pretty basic. They installed the outlet right next to the breaker box in the garage and they also did a breaker upgrade. Didn't cost me a dime. I got an Emporia unit which I'm super happy with. I drive a jalopy to work 4 days a week and I drive the Bolt the rest of the week. I didn't really need the installation, but I know one day that my jalopy would shut down for good and I didn't want to be caught short. I keep the old 110 charger in the back of the Bolt just in case I may need it for something. Awesome vid. 🚙🇺🇸⚡🔌
I totally agree with your assessment, that the charges for installation were far too high. This is my top of head opinion and without any research. Over $10000 for bidirectional charging makes it unobtainable for most people.
Thank you for your commitment and efforts to put this in front of the public, so we can all become aware of challenges in the energy transition and then more intelligently be able to apply pressure to help make things better for everyone.
Having spoken to numerous electricians about the Powershare program / credit for Cyberbeast owners, all have said that Qmerit is charging outrageous prices, and that the $4k credit should in reality cover the entirety of just about any typical job. They are allegedly fleecing Tesla / Cybertruck owners.
Excellent information. Thank you! After seeing this, I think I will get the install done with my truck next month.
Nice CanExel siding on your new house. Good choice, guys! 🇨🇦
How many sponsorships do we need to help you land to build the Out of Spec Mansion? 😉
Auto makers could have AC V2H be optional when buying the vehicle. There could be a single design for the onboard charger, with the optional components left unpopulated as needed.
Anecdotal experience, the Powerwall and gateway when reconnecting to the grid is seamless, so perhaps because its new the 2-3 seconds of outage when reconnecting back to the grid will be fixed and unnoticable in a coming update.
I can confirm that when there is a grid outage, there is a 2-3 second delay for the Powerwall to kick in so I think its working "within spec" :)
Great video Kyle, best of luck with the new home, I would love a series on this, what about a single Powerwall (or maybe 2 are required) for seamless transition from grid to battery + Cybertruck.
31:32 Kyle’s dog is wearing a collar that says “zero fucks” 😂
Heck yeah! Power the house from the cyber for a month!!
Nice improvements you are doing for your landlord... Next renters will have a good reason to buy a Powershare capable Tesla...
And now after watching, I see that the landlord wants you to remove it all when you move out... Wow...
You may think you're paying too much for this install but you want to have your chargers at the front of the garage which is going to take 20 ft of wire just for one and that wire is probably going to be a number four check out and see how much that 20 ft of wire will cost. Then look at the wire going to the other side of the house and the other charger.
Why would the rental owner want the unit removed? It will leave a hole in the siding (damage to the unit) and reduces the potential rental base for future occupants.
Improve property value
They probably don’t want to deal with renters that don’t understand all this stuff and them having to maintain when it fails.
Agreements are usually written such that you leave the property in the same state as when you moved in.
For a landlord it's really of no use because most people don't have EVs, it's another thing to break, and it would be too complicated if you didn't understand how it worked and needed to fix it. They don't really care about holes in the wall, landlord will just fill it with spray foam and call it a day.
I do wonder why they didn't put the Tesla gateway on the inside of the garage, would have been much better.
when you do go to learn about your electricity consumption highly reccomend the emporia energy vue.. super sweet to see all your consumption for each breaker.
I wonder if it’s seamless if you added a power wall. Either way, slick setup!
Yes. Also don't need the 3V gateway. Just wait for software update.
The fact that Tesla got that down into one box is impressive engineering. That really simplifies the installation. Very short delay too. Looking forward to seeing what Rivian comes up with. It's still expensive but a lot of that is Qmerit being greedy.
The difference in switchover time was not what I expected!
I really enjoyed this video Kye.
Game changer!
Kyle can you do a cybertruck garage fit test in your new house?
Man this would be game changing for the house. The price does need to go down. Combo this with a small battery backup for when you need to use the car and your golden
Teslas engineering is so far ahead of other manufacturers as they can create a better solution with less complication and lower cost. Benefits everyone.
this is random but your videos remind me of obsessed garage, which is a great thing lol
Very cool i hope other Teslas will be able to do that
Great video guys.👍
Great information.keep up the great videos
Cybertruck $80,000, $2500 Tesla equipment = $82,500 for 11.5KW (123 kWh)
F-150 Lightning $55,000, $1300 bidirectional charger* + $3850 kit = $60,150 for 9.6KW (98kWh/131 kWh*)
(*Bi-directional charger still comes with the extended range F-150, per Ford. Having a hard time finding an MSRP for it though?)
The Ford system's inverter also doubles as a solar PV inverter, so that's a bonus if you plan to go that route. The sub panel is not strictly required, but you will need a transfer switch just like the Tesla system does. Overall you're paying more for what you get with the Tesla due to the cost of the truck itself.
where did you get a new F150 lightining for $55K? Please share
@@elemenop718 I bought mine in February of this year, for $52,000 OTD. $7500 tax credit, $7500 rebate from Ford, $9600 dealer discount. XLT ER, no money down and about $1300 in trade equity, so my total financed after TTL was just over $50,700. The FCSP 80A charger was included, free of charge. I have not bought the home backup kit, though it might be tempting when one hits eBay. Currently I have a 30A generator inlet and manual transfer switch and interlock.
I'im guessing to do seemless switching you would need to sync the phase to the grid, which would be more money for equipment
Enphase and NEP are able to do it with their solar micro inverters, the total cost that product is $150. That can't be the expensive part.
How does Tesla always do it so much better? Isn't every studying from the same math and physics books?
So basically your main panel is outside and your sub-panel is inside, adding a 50amp plug is basically what you are doing for $5.5k with a smart panel like the Anker panel for like $1.5k yeah way too expensive for something basic. Still 90% of that is free so good for you very cool.
So based upon this what I think is happening is that the Truck is outputting 240V not split...and the coil in that transfer for this is creating 120V. That is almost certainly what is happening
Yep, it's not possible since the nacs connector is only two conductor. I wonder if that gateway transformer is sized to handle the full 50 amps.
@@andrewt9204 Yeap it's how all older EU solar Internter I would keep this totally grid and make a off grid with transfer switch
Some call it a Neutral Forming transformer. Also it's not required with a PowerWall.
@@bluedrew that's fair description. I wonder if th 240V output works this way that would be very interesting to understand.
That means each leg would have a limit than in theory
Great video Kyle. Thanks for sharing your experience. I like a way to power my home during a grid failure but, as you mentioned, $10k (plus the cost of the truck) is just way, way too much. I'll stick with my generator (under $1k) for now.
We just bought our new home. I want to do the exact same thing, our new garage is 22’ x 22’ so it can finally fit the cyber truck and our model Y.
I believe the coils are necessary to balance the 220v output from the truck to 120v loads in the house.
Wild to do all this work on a rental
Depending on where the electrical panel is, it is pretty simple to set up a sub panel to provide a convenient way to handle multiple EV chargers as well as making it easy upgrade some of the equipment in the future. Furthermore with DIY, you can often go above and beyond the electrical code and still have things be cheaper than having a company do the work. When I did an extra circuit in my home, since it was in the garage, I did some outlets closer to the standard used for medical facilities, complete with isolated grounds, thicker gauge wires to minimize voltage drop across the line. While prices have gone up over time, the equipment cost is a small portion of the cost when an electrician is hired to do work, as long as you can work safely and follow all safety rules and guidelines, you can use the savings to go above and beyond.
The transfer is commonly referred to as “open transfer”, you will always have some amount of dead time with the transition. “Closed transfer” exists but is much more complex and wouldn’t be used in non mission critical applications. Granted, 2 seconds is pretty great
PowerShare coming to m3 my Mx ?
Cost seems quite reasonable actually
Apparently you live in my neighborhood now! Been a fan for a while! Welcome to the neighborhood! If you ever need help with something hit me up!
That's looks like a good open floor plan house and I think it's good experiment for powering your house with Tesla cybertruck and it's cool the owner of the house let you upgrade their garage since your renting
If you manually "Go Off-Grid" using the app, do you get the 4s delay?
I agree these electric co's that partner with Qmerit and similar charge way more than a local electrician because they know your getting so much $$$ from the OEM. I am also shocked that your new home only has 150 amp service in this day of age. And in Colorado and no insulation the garage? I had so much trouble with Qmerit installers, I went with my own electrician and still saved money.
It's a small rental home. New construction is all about minimizing costs and 150A service is plenty for most people. I can almost guarantee nobody else in the neighborhood will ever come close to drawing as much power as Kyle's house.
Tesla = brilliant software, brilliant hardware. Just like Apple, Tesla is the only option
..and you could keep your internet and a few other small things up with some individual UPS's on those items. I do that with my cable modem and router and my desktop PC because I work from home and we lose power (briefly) a LOT...
What happens if you plug the car in when the house doesn’t have power, does the truck have to be connected before the house looses power?
What happens if you unplug the car while the house is running on the car? Does it let you?
Pretty cool landlord to let you do that on a rental
I have a Rivian and heard Rivian will have a bidirectional wall connector soon. In the meantime, I have a EcoFlow Delta Pro 3 that gives me 4,000 watts of power. I'm suppose to be able to charge it from my Rivian while it supplies power to the house. But haven't got that to work yet. I think I need a transfer switch.
You built all this out in a rental house? :O
It’s almost like this is how he makes a living or something 😂
Maybe this is his dad's house so investment isn't lost
@@vxnova1 what lol
@@karlwolf2 not his dads house he mentioned it is a rental
@@karlwolf2 this was in response to the original post about installing it on a rental house,
The reason they only finished some of the walls in the garage with sheetrock is because it is code to have the sheetrock on shared walls of the interior of your home. They save money by not doing the other walls.
Mines swinging in around $6300. Garage on the other side of the house detached from the panel. Need to run some comm wires so the wall connector can talk to the gateway. I’m still scratching my head on it. It’s hard when you don’t see a huge amount of materials and pure labor. I’m in tech, I don’t make 4K a day lol
I was considering getting the Tesla universal wall connector now that my parents have and EV making us a whole EV household. I ended up going with the GrizzlE Duo instead out of simplicity. It’s being doing a great job keeping our 3 EVs charged but I do wish it was smart. If they ever release a smart version of it I would probably upgrade to that. I miss the nerd data.
This would be epic in Brazil
Two things…
The “partial finish” in the garage is to code. In most jurisdictions you need a fire rated finish (the drywall) on the shared walls to an attached garage to the living space.
The extra fee is the pro-rated labor for having home owner present and asking question.
Hope they let all Tesla's (at least the newer ones) to be able to do powershare bidirectional in the near future. I'd seriously look at doing it.
Big benefit of using a cyber truck over a power wall is the size of the battery. Cyber truck is probably 100 plus kilowatt. A power wall I think is 13 kW. The output from the Cyber truck is much higher than the power wall as well. The bad thing about the two second or four second startup is that your electronics will do a reboot and your clocks will need to be reset. I have a 24 kilowatt neo Volta backup system which is similar to the power wall. I run my entire house except for 220 volt circuits on the neo Volta and when I switch off the grid there is not even a blink, so none of the clocks internet or anything else needs to be reset. Actually we had a power outage and we didn't even know it and my neighbors said my house was lit up when everything else was black. Cyber truck has four times the capacity which should be very beneficial for long-term power outages.😅