TROY (2004) MOVIE REACTION | FIRST TIME WATCHING
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- First time watching Troy 2004 for a movie reaction
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Reacting to TROY from 2004 with Arianna.
Starring: Brad Pit Eric Bana Orlando Bloom Diane Kruger Sean Bean Rose Byrne Brendan Gleeson Brian Cox Gerret Hedlund
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It's not fair to judge the characters by modern standards. This is the bronze age. The desire to be remembered is present In many bronze age stories.
The awesome element to this is it's still relevant today. A lot of "stars" today cling to fame as much as they can and still end up so damn transient. They rise and fall in the spam of a year, maybe two. Whereas, Achilles in his short time on this God's green earth solidified his name to the extent that it lasted to this day and still outlives these "stars" of the present. If that isn't poetic and inspiring I don't know what is.
Not to mention the life expectancy of people during those times is much much lower.
That's the sole reason why they lived for the most part. Have a son to establish a legacy then do everything in your power to be remembered.
This very movie is a testament to that idea. Achilles was a name 3000 years ago, and we still talk about him, still tell the stories about him, we make movies about him, and hell, even react to the movies about him.
@@alexman378 Achilles is a great role model even today. Just learn from his mistakes, wear better, modern footwear with ankle protection.
This movie is unique. As it is one of the few, where Sean Bean DIDN'T die.
Yeah not only did he not die but he basically single handedly won the war for the Greeks. Good on my man!
lol... but his character was in for a bit of a rough journey home as the story of the Oddessy goes
_National Treasure_ is another :)
@@Diegesis And did it in half a month, instead of the 9 years as described in the epics. Brad Pitt in an adaptation of literature or history is risky. See Inglourious Basterds.
True! Although I really wished if he had a line, "One does not simply walk into Troy. It's guarded by more than just walls..."
Paris is literally the main villain in this movie.
Haha you ain't lying
And hector the biggest fool, so called "prince".
And Pateclus is Achilles gay lover in real life
I was in the Army and a girl in my unit was defending Paris. I WAS like what?🤨
@@ScottyDoesntKnow69 real life? If I'm not mistaking, troy has never been proven to be a real place.
The Iliad and the Odyssey are great, and I like the movies based on them, but it's a just a story. Don't go looking for historical accuracies.
Did she really just call one of the oldest legends in history "basic shit"? 😆🤣
Well she wouldn't be wrong is the basic of the base, the corner stone of all since it's so old.
@@jayeisenhardt1337 the fact that she isn’t technically wrong is what makes it so funny haha
Thats why no one will remember her name .
yes bc it is
also not even close to one of the oldest
Romans believed they were the descendants of the survivors of Troy, and they idolized Hector as an ideal man/warrior/citizen who would give his life to protect the city/country for the greater good.
Hector cousin Aeneas truly redeemed the Trojan people. By creating the Roman empire.
@@nathanmerritt1581 What about Romulus and Remus?
@@sababaratashvili8629 they are bellieved they were amongst the people that escaped troy and because they knew the greeks would have expanded east , theyd sail all the way around Greece west towards any land .
@@__MaReX__ In the end both are just myths and theories. It's the first time I've heard about the connection between Rome and Troy though.
@@sababaratashvili8629 The thing that people dont know is that EVERY myth and legend HOLD SOME SMALL parts of truth that got overblown and overstreched ad then forgoten ad changed by the passage of time.
Odysseus after burying Achilles: “well, it’s time to get back home. I guess the worst had just happened. What could possibly go wrong after this?”
*laughs in Scylla
@@SleepySloth2705 Pretty sure Carl is making the joke that Odysseus had no idea what lied ahead during his return trip
@@aj897 may I know what is? I'm not to familiar with their history
He went through hell trying to get home 🤣🤣
Ever see the odyssey. His hell hasn't even begun yet. He's the only one out of his entire legion to make it home alive.
Hector and Achilles both be like, "fuck the gods". They'd be total bros if they weren't fighting on opposite sides.
And if Patroklus didn't impersonate Achilles
If you didn’t know the story prior to watching the film, it almost seems as if Achilles was set up to join Hector against Agamemnon if he didn’t accidentally kill Patroclus.
Achilles, despite his taunting of Hector, and his later hatred of him, clearly had respect for him as a warrior.
In the book its a flaw of Achilles though. And in the end both Hector and Paris go into the elysian fields while Achilels end up in the underworld where he trades his services to Hades ine xchange for Perocles being allowed into the Elysian fields
I find it very interesting that Achilles entire motivation was to be remembered for eternity, and here we are, about three thousand two hundred years later, making a movie about him.
I guess he got what he wanted?
Even people know the name of lil bitch brother tho
@@christophertsai4928 Yeah that's true, but Achilles went down in history for greatness\talent, Hector went down in history for nobility, and Paris went down in history remembered as an example of Cowardice, Impulsiveness, and Uselessness.
@@thundercricket4634 It's all mythology, no actual history, did these people really exist? Probably, but these events definitely didn't go according to this movie or the Iliad.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 True. But the stories are over 3,000 years old. If they're based in historical fact or not is kind of beside the point. They've become integrated into history themselves, if as nothing else then at least as interesting stories that have endured the test of time.
@Blake N The myths exist because history exists. Homer was real, he wrote of the Trojan War he said it took place at a city across the Aegean Sea from Greece and they found a city in a location that matched.
It may not be confirmed but there is no concrete proof one way or another to say that it never happened and they weren't real
Achilles! Achilles! Achilles! Your name has lived for 2000 years and will live on for 2000 more.
3,000.
@Blake N All legends are fake. And yet, Achilles has had more of a global impact than most real people. He was a direct influence to Alexander the Great, someone who changed the world forever, who was studied by others who did their part in shaping the world, like the Caesars and Napoleon, and he’s still studied today. A kid who grew up, wanting to be Achilles.
@@alexman378 Nope, Achilles wasn't.
@@stevem2323 Wasn’t what, fake? Maybe, maybe he was a real person, maybe he was an amalgamation of multiple people, we can’t really know. The Iliad was first sang about in the 800s BC, that’s over 300 years after the Trojan War took place. So we can’t really know for sure, but his impact can still be seen today, since he indirectly shaped the world as we know it.
@@alexman378 Today, Troy is almost certainty amongst historians.
Achilles is still considered to this day the greatest warrior in Greek mythology. He was dipped in the River Styx as a baby, and trained by the great Centar Chiron. He’s fought many great Warriors and the gods themselves. However, his greatest triumph, the thing that made him immortal to everyone, was when he fought the Trojan Prince Hector and killed him before the walls of Troy. In His wrath he dragged his body around the walls of Troy for nine days. It’s what was known as the Wrath of Achilles.
He was dipped in the River Styx, and held by his heel. That's why his heel is the most vulnerable part of this body, it was not consecrated in the River Styx.
Can confirm.
Nine times around the city, not nine days
Close second after Hercules, but yes. I guess Achilles is more a warrior in the strict sense of the word since Hercules did most of his tasks alone.
@@carl_anderson9315 Hercules is more famous for his 12 tasks. You know, killing the Nemean Lion and the Lernaean Hydra as well as the Stymphalian birds, capture the Ceryneian Hind and the Erymanthian Boar and the Cretan Bulls and The giant three headed dog of the Underworld Cerberus, cleaning the Augean stables, stealing the Mares of Diomedes, as well as 3 golden apples of the Hesperides, and obtain both the girdle Hippolyta , queen of the Amazons, and the cattle of the three- bodied giant Geryon.
@jorluo The Trojan War never existed... It was made up.
That pensive look by Achilles is him thinking about whether his early death is worth his name being remembered through the ages. Clearly he decided it would be better to die young, miss out on a long enoyable life, but be known throughout history.
Gotta agree with him.
She's weird to think that scene was dumb.
Odysseus later goes to Hades and meets Achilles who regrets choosing glory. He lords over the dead but would rather be alive, even if it meant being a slave. The theme itself is eternal and historic in the life of every man. Do you follow your calling or deny it and become an empty suit? Luke Skywalker epitomized the danger in ignoring the call to an authentic life and the universe destroyed his inauthentic life leaving him no choice but answer the call. Achilles was more brave diving in head first into certain death for something he prepared for his whole life. It’s likely a different author who writes of Achilles regret.
Yes. That was pretty obvious too lol.
@@The-Azure-Knight I don't think she realized the meaning of it. Because it does look cheesy if you don't know what he's thinking
I guarantee you Achilles is not the only man in the Greek army coming to Troy for his own glory.
Achilles is not afraid if the gods because the Gods are his relatives. His mother Thetis was a Nereid, a sea nymph and daughter of Nereus who is variously described as a minor God or a Titan (the generation of Immortals before the gods). Nereus was a Son of Gaia and therefore a half brother of Cronus, Cronus was the father of Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, and Hera.
Achilles great flaw was, that he feared nothing, not even the gods. And because of that, he insulted Apollon and the god guided the arrow of Paris into Achilles ankle. Herakles was also related to the gods. And many hated him.
In this movie he’s not actually a Demi god tho. Only a mortal who died a legend.
@@landonriley6797 he tells Brises he knows and has met the gods. His mothet appears supetnaturally in her one scene. While the Olympian gods are not featured in this they way they are in Homers poem(where several of them take active part in the War) its still a factor. I mean he is not even the only demigod in the story that remains in the film, Helen is the daughter of Zeus, in some versions of the legeng Hector is Apollo's son not Priam's(although another brothet Trolius is more often poryrayed as Apollo's), And Aneas; who gets handed the sword of Troy by Paris at the end of the Film is Aphrodite's son.
Thats not even counting Demigods who take part that wete not included in the movie, Memnon who is porrayed as Achilles near equal some versions is the son of Eos(Dawn)
@@Aaron-io8vw Well big guys at the beach teh one with hammer and one that Achillies finish in a secound might be a directors so to say cheak/hint/creative way of representig titans by having two big buffed guys.
Zeuas was/is a womanizer. I sympathize.
When I first watched this movie, I didn't like it, but several years later I watched it again and I honestly believe it is one of the best epics of all time
Achilles is not narcisistic. He's a normal Iliad Greek of his time. Everyone wanted to be immortal. And being immortal was being remembered no matter how much time passes. And he achieved that goal. The Greek dream.
21:08 "Ooh right in the heel". You mean "Right in the achilles" it's called the achilles tendon for that reason!
It's also where the phrase, "Achilles' Heel" came from when referring to a fatal weakness.
And it comes from a wrong translation from latin into old french. They made the original ankle to the heel.
Hector was perfectly portrayed. Love this movie
Good ol hoot from black hawk down
Not at all. Hector was a major POS. He knew it was patroclus and after killing him looted his armor, and tried to drag his body back to troy. Then, when confronted by achilles ran the walls of troy three times before a god had to convince hector to fight. So no, it did not portray him accurate to the source material which is the illiad.
@@jacksonmiller7745 I heard it was Ares who caused all this is it true ❔
@@sourabhkarmakar8040it was Athena
@@_Dat_Edgy_Boi_ maybe it was Ares masquerading as Athena like in DC universe he did at the Amazon island.
And part of the irony, for all the talk of being remembered (the characters of Achilles, Agammemnon, Paris, Hector, et al) it is Sean Bean's Odysseus that is best remembered, as Homer made sure that out of all of them, it is Odysseus' voyage home that become one of the greatest tales to come out of Greek mythology.
definitely not a movie critic, movie buff, history buff, or mythology buff. there was a reason he was shot in the heel other than because its called the achilles heel. there was a reason for his personality. the movie was very well done for how people wouldve been if it had really happened (some events are true and some are not, troy was a real place that was razed by the greeks)
"That is why no one will ever remember your name " Best line ever!💛❤️😁😎
Fun fact:
The duel between Achilles and Hector was done without stunt doubles, and Eric Bana and Brad Pitt agreed to pay each other 100$ per accidental hit, with Pitt ending up paying Bana 750$ 😂
do you know why it ended up 750 instead of 800?
@@uchiwamadara4614 Because a detail he didn’t include is that the bet was $50 for light hits, $100 for heavier ones.
Achilles rode to war with his army of Myrmidon (Hera, queen of the gods, sent a plague to kill all the human inhabitants of Aegina because the island was named for one of the lovers of Zeus. King Aeacus, a son of Zeus and the intended target of Hera along with his mother, prayed to his father for a means to repopulate the island. As the ants of the island were unaffected by the sickness, Zeus responded by transforming them into a race of people, the Myrmidons. They were as fierce and hardy as ants, and intensely loyal to their leader.Because of their antly origins, they wore brown armour.)...
"Achilles is coming off real cocky, I mean I know he's a good warrior." Lol he's a demigod practically. In the book when his cousin dies he goes on a rampage killing everyone he met to the point the blood of the falling men started pouring in a river nearby. A lesser god was in the river and was getting angry because he was choking on the blood and thus confronted Achilles. Achilles wasn't backing down and was literally thinking about fighting literal water due to his rage and anger.
Water god: Cough*🩸Can you still killing people in my water?
Achilles: *Should I fight this one too?
Patroclus was NOT his cousin.. he was his most loyal companion and the one he loved above all others. His testual words. When he died he felt he had no will to live anymore
@@Dedeaa Yeah so it was his friend. Not his lover. Achilles despised gay people.
it is his cousin. They’re cousin. Homer never said they were lover or gay. Im not sure if you have read that books.
The legend of how Achilles died is why they named that part of the heel the Achilles Tenden
Hektor is pretty much everyone's favorite today, in the original epic already.
Clearly the most noble and sympathetic character from a modern perspective.
And we see how noble sympathy is rewarded. The same as today, it gets you CLAPPED and your body paraded around for everyone to sneer at.
Telescopes weren't invented until 1608, approximately 2800 years after the events in this film :P
Also I feel like Achilles was portrayed perfectly. That cocky, arrogant attitude comes from him knowing he's invulnerable, as his mother Thetis had dipped him in the River Styx and conferred upon him that power, all except his heel that she held him by: where the Achilles tendon is located, named for this myth.
Actually, the myth of Achilles never initially indicated that he was invulnerable, but that he was the greatest warrior. The idea of him being invulnerable came about later as the myth was refined. As Achilles indicated, he would not wear armor or a shield if he was invulnerable.
@@mutanthybrid3466 "look at the big brain on brad" (Samuel L Jackson voice)
Actualy teselscopes as WE KNOW IT didnt ext BUT the magnifing glass/shards DID EXIST and WERE USED NOT ONLY IN MIDDLE AGES BUT EVEN IN ANCIENT TIMES.Its just that IT WASNT THE TELESCOPE THAT WE KNOW IT AS/KNW TEH SHAPE AS but it was just simple random NATRUALY created glass magnifier that people randomly found and at the point in Meddieval ages tehre was attempts and production of magnified glass ist just that it was simplisticaly made with just glass without any rims or put in things.
@@goranstojanov1160 Frende ekipa otrikava Ilijadu i Odiseju u 20-im , o čemu mi tu uopće više imamo za pričat? Jebo povećala, ljudi čuju za Ahileja, Hektora, Parisa, Helenu, Agamemnona ... kroz Troju ( 2004 ) s Brad Pittom i Orlando Bloomom. Da ne znam bolje reko bi da se prave retardirani da bi imali "first time reaction".
What I never understood is why didn’t she dip her hand in to fully submerge Achilles? Then he wouldn’t have the tendon thing, and she would have an invulnerable hand!!!! How awesome would that be!!!
I agree Hector was great. The story was great. The fight scenes were awesome. Most of the characters I hated. Lol. And I'll watch it again and again. Great reaction! 😁
He was the worst in my opinion
@@Oscar44443 who Hector? what the hell you talking about?
@@nathanmerritt1581 Well you said his name... So I'm pretty sure you know who I'm talking about. Lol. 😂
@@toddcortez714 I wasn't replying to you dude. Back up a bit.
@@nathanmerritt1581 My bad then. I just thought you were coming at me like Oscar. It happens a lot on here.
“Achilles seems bratty”, well… Yes, he was, but justifiably. Just surviving these wars was enough of an accomplishment. Being able to single handedly turn the tide of such a massive war just by being there is a pretty valid reason to be a bit of a brat and have a massive ego boost.
Pitt was a fantastic Achilles, best we’ll ever get, but Achilles was also 16 years old when he joined, 26 when he died. Imagine being this force of nature and a commander of an elite private Special Forces unit at 16 as a hormonal teenager.
Exactly, that's something most people don't understand, if I had that amount of skill at his age I'd have an even bigger head honestly😅
Achilles was immortal. His heel was the only vulnerable part of his body because that's where he was held by his mother and "baptized" in the River Styx.
Hence why his death in the movie was quite anticlimactic lol
По фильму он обычный смертный.
If any part of him is vulnerable then he's obviously not immortal. From what I remember of the original story, it was never stated he was immortal but that he was invulnerable/invincible over all his body apart from his heel. An immortal can't be killed yet someone who's invisible can't be hurt yet will still age or succumb to other non violent means.
The ironically anticlimactic death of such a great warrior from a simple arrow in his foot is wonderful Greek hubris. If he could have shot himself in the foot it would have been the greatest of all time instead of just classic.
The movie is clearly intended to be a grounded depiction. The legend of Achilles’ immortality is a product of his extreme skill, durability, speed, and sheer luck in combat. The kid in the beginning talks about it, and he says he wouldn’t be bothering with armor if he really was immortal. And it’s true, armor adds weight, limits your mobility and it’s uncomfortable.
When he dies, it’s the rest of the arrows that get him killed, but he pulls them all out, so when the soldiers see him with just the one arrow in his heel, it’s how the legend of his heel came to be.
The spear is actually the most dominant weapon in history and is still used today when you consider bayonets are still issued.
True. It was probably the first weapon ever invented and also the best. Pointy stick is king lol. And yes, bayonets are still issued but they are rarely used and only the Marines still do bayonet training in boot camp these days. So I think we're finally out of the spear era, which is a little sad.
@@sorendaniels754 surely the simple club and thrown rock came first :)
@@markhill3858 true, but did people really "invented" club and rock? Club is basically a stick, you know. But then you sharpen one end of this stick, and bam - you have a spear, first hand-made weapon in history for sure!
@@aske2455 that depends on whether you think the tools of guys like chimps are "inventions" .. because they use clubs and throw rocks :) as to first modified weapon .. id say that is the simple hand axe (and I mean a rock with a blade and no haft, held in the hand as a chopper) I think these are older than spears
@@markhill3858 yeah that might be about right. You need something to sharpen the stick, so stone axes/knifes probably go first
Achilles is the hero of individual glory
Hector is the hero of duty
Paris is the hero of a normal life
The narrative is glory kills duty but mediocrity kills glory
Wow, never looked at it that way and it's true. And deep.
@@Hilariumosis i learned it years ago in my western humanities class. Also Aeneas the guard that helps them escape troy at the end, it is legend that his descendents founded Rome. My Italian bestie told me that one.
The narrative is anti American like a mf
Well, Paris was more of a cowardly rapist in the Illiad, as he simply wished to have Helen as his wife and Aphrodite kidnapped her for him
Paris isn't a hero by any stretch, his lust over a married woman caused his family and empire to crumble......
*IT MUST BE SAID:* Spears will destroy swords in most battles.
The Roman's would like a word
@@johanstinson they used shields.
i've heard it multiple times from my women, they never seem to understand the concept of how glory, respect and a sense of immortality is so important for men but on the other hand all men i know ,know exactly how important is that. i guess men can relate with achilles more than women.
Sort of like "having children"?
Of course, while continuing our bloodline IS important for Men WE will never feel the same 'extreme connection' to our children that women do. (that 9 months of being PHYSICALLY connected to a growing child inside and then literally bringing it INTO the world is DEEPLY profound and something we cannot experience nor COMPLETELY relate to.) Probably why Post-partum depression is a thing. (feeling like you LOST a "part of YOURSELF") And IF your child IS a "part of YOURSELF" and outlives you? Congratulations, you achieved "Immortality"! (of a sort)
So? While men DO feel a special "bond" with their kids, we often try to supplement it with OTHER avenues of "Immortality". Usually in the form of GREAT achievements & accomplishments. (I.e. Glory) - Which, I guess, Women don't fully understand, (HOW important it is for us.) since THEY already HAVE that feeling via childbirth.
That's why no one will remember their names....
@@sharkdentures3247 Do they? Considering the amount of abortions...that's overrated.
No, these concepts are pagan concepts Achilles goes against everything the christian church defend, all the glory and respect goes only to God, you are just a servant of his will, Hector in the other hand is everything man should aim for.
@@andrevictor9665 "Achilles goes against everything he Christian church defends" ...well at least he does not believe in pedophilia. May that's why the Christian church does not do anything about these pedos
This actually my favorite movie of all time.
Tied with gladiator of course💯
Gladiator is the best. Spartacus the next. So good.
*Edit* shit, braveheart is awesome.
This movie is awful
th-cam.com/video/jhQsJ5DnEnw/w-d-xo.html. If Troy is one of you're favorite movies , than I'm willing to bet u will love this Achilles tribute
@@Josh86_925 I’ve seen this so many times actually
@@oJugger, lol same
Diane Kruger in Troy was so good looking god damn
Hector would have stood much more of a chance if he only knew Achilles' heel was his Achilles heel.
To this day I insist that both Achilles and Hector, as well as the people of Troy, did not deserve such a fate, since everything was caused by the stupidity of Hector's younger brother "Paris" and what bothered me the most was that such a person who caused everything. . . he stayed alive until the end without any consequences.
That's why everybody hates Paris, the fool caused so much death and destruction and didn't even have the balls to be down in the trenches fighting.
Glory was like patriotism to the ancient Greeks. It was one of the things most stories from their culture are based on bc it was seen as a positive
"Yeah, I'll just challenge the King of Sparta to one-on-one combat. What could go wrong?"
Your glory goes hand-in-hand with your doom one of the best line ever
I will say, while I get people who don't like Achilles cockiness or obsession with legacy..... before this movie most people would've already been familiar with exactly 1 name from it.... Achilles. It lasted.
Wanting to be remembered back then is like everyone trying to be famous influencers today , being remembered is the biggest thing for them because their legacy will be carried on throughout tales over time .
You might hate Achilles character but he never wanted to join the war, he went because his mother wanted him to go to war and be remembered hence Achilles says that ''This war will be remembered''.
The opposite actually
@@FellsApprentice how
She was on the fence, she clearly wanted him to live happy because she's his mother but she already knew his destiny was in Troy.
Arianna should learn her actors. That old white haired, blue eyed dude is the incomparable Peter O'tool.
When she commented in Gladiator, that was the great Richard Harris.
Great movie. I love the epic military/war films at the end of the 90s and start of the 2000s. Gladiator, Troy, Braveheart, The Patriot, etc……
What do you mean "except the father" he didnt listen to his sons ever? That was why they lost the war. Awesome video btw
"Any monologue from a white haired man, I am here for it..."
May I suggest you react to "The Lord of the Rings"
brad pitt said "i'll bring these abs and shit but i'm only doing 3% of an english accent about 3% of the time."
Paris indeed had one great idea. Burn it and victory is Troy.
This was actually a great telling of the story, true to form. This movie doesn't get enough credit
Much in this time was by dying early but living for eternity in history. Seeking to change the world or do great things.
Usually having two choices, dying old with maybe a family or die young but living for eternity.
Example why we still talk about Achilles and troy today, even though it is mythology and not true history. As we only know some hints there was a war and where troy is beleived to be located is like 20 citites buildt on top of eachother.
One example of true historical person who seeked glory and did in this time is Alexander The Great.
Alexander The Great would have been raised on this story and all that it entails.
@@mimikurtz2162 He supposedly kept a copy of it with him during his campaign.
Aneus was given the sword at the end and was told where ever you go you’ll have a future..The refugees from Troy moved west and founded a small village called Rome.
Roman propaganda hits again several thousand years later
@@mat3714 Do you want to get crucified? Because this is how you get crucified. =P
'Oh shut up, Paris!' - quote of the movie
How does one graduate elementary school without knowing or at least hearing about these characters? Aren't Iliad and Odyssey mandatory reading before even hitting puberty. Also, a telescope?
Your outta your mind thinking those 2 classics are read by school chlidren en masse today.
@@mike287slashm7 Guess so. Learning all this in 4th grade instead out of a 2004 summer blockbuster must've driven me insane.
Illiad was never in California. The Odyssey I learned in 9th grade I believe. I told my film teacher to watch Guy Richie movies in highschool.
Elementary, no my dear Watson
@@Taylor-wj5pq Well if it was never in Cali... To be fair no kid flunked literature if they didint know it word for word. Its like when you see my people butchering English ( intro. 4th grade aswell ). Now, I might have missed the random Sherlock Holmes reference cause those those books were optional, but I did love me some Sherlock. That did came later though. Prob. in highschool.
Shes in her 30s how has she never seen this movie?
I really liked this movie. Great epic, well crafted, with the added touch of good writing for characters and dialogues, they managed to transcribe much of the philosophical depth of antic Greece on human nature with few scenes
The thing about Achilles is that the reason he’s such a good warrior. It is dued to the fact that he’s actually a demigod. He is a grandson of Zeus. That’s actually what many people don’t understand about this character: When he fights he fights under devine protection. His fate is to be fighting - cause his fate changes the course of history. In Achilles‘ story we see a man who’s fulfilling his destiny however he’s always struggling about it and he can not even make any sense out of it. It might tell us what fate can do to you and reminds us that we are not always able to control ourselves.
Can you imagine an Odyssey movie with Sean Bean at the helm? That would've been something worth trying honestly. The Odyssey is an incredible story. Sean Bean could absolutely carry that film.
"If they ever tell my story let them say I walked with giants, men rise and fall like the Winter wheat but these names will never die... Let them say I lived in the time of Hector, tamer of horses...let them say I lived in the time of Achilles..." Odysseus
I gotta say, when it comes to movies like this, I love everybody, just because every actor is impeccable and play their character to perfection, I happen to like Achilles’ cocky personality the whole movie, the one guy I don’t like is Paris and it’s so ironic that he killed a lover of another when so many fell for him (I like him better as will turner)
"I hate the fact that he came there for glory"
Well, that's why no one will remember your name.
As someone else stated, Men understands immortality and glory, there's a reason why people will forever remember Arnold Schwarzenegger for instance.
He was already glorified tho. A king asked his name when he killed his best soldier in front of thousands screaming his name. The only glory Achilles gets in troy is becoming synonymous with heel being his weakness
No, these concepts are pagan concepts Achilles goes against everything the christian church defend, all the glory and respect goes only to God, you are just a servant of his will, Hector in the other hand is everything man should aim for.
Hector is my absolute favorite character in this, and one of my favorite historical figures. He was a great man.
It’s nice to see someone finally root for Hector, everyone just wants Achilles to win because he’s a good fighter.
I think it's because he's Brad Pitt and hot. The only guy I was rooting for was Prince Hector.
I thought it was normal for people to root for Hector wtf 😂
I want Achilles to win because he's the better man.
@@davidjones1341 I disagree lol. Hector is a much better man than Achilles.
@Soren Daniels his men died for him and his family's selfishness.
1:29 Troy is a classic. Diane Kruger was perfectly cast as Helen.
Yeah I love it too. And jeezus does she never age?!
Lol, calling out the predictability and cliches of one of the most famous stories in history!! I love how Arianna get’s into these movies!! “And the Trojan hoorrrrsse.” ❤️
Agree. This story just about predates everything else so it can’t be using stereotypes.
And please respect my man Peter O’Toole. He’s a legend.
Helen has no choice, Aphrodite promised her to paris. In fact menelaus survives the war and returned home with Helen.
They kept true to the story. When they found Achilles dead body the only wound that they can find on him was an arrow through his Achilles tendon.😅
THANK YOU! Achilles was great but Hector was the best character by far.
And as it still is today, we see starkly how he was rewarded by his great character. He dies in what's essentially an attempted honor killing over his brother's kidnapped side piece. Real noble.
If that happened today we'd be laughing at Hector. You stepped to THAT GUY, Achilles, over some chick your brother is dating and can't even fight for himself...AND you're princes with the entire world of women waiting to serve your royalness...nah, come on. Homer was dropping red pill knowledge in these stories, telling men what mistakes to AVOID.
Since you loved Hector You've gotta watch Eric Banas breakout role as "Chopper " a real life criminal from Australia. I think you'd love it.
“Oh shut up Paris”. Hahaha I’m dead. I had to pause the video.
Truly a story women will never understand.
I always wondered what Achilles said when his tendon was severed.
"Ahhh! Man, you got my thing!"
Russell Crowe in Gladiator is an awesome view, both Crowe &Banna are from the country I live in Australia but Eric Banna is a dynamite actor especially as he plays Chopper Reid who actually knew my older brother as they met in undesirable circumstances so maybe u could give a view&reaction on one or even both of those films,maybe chopper as its all true accounts of the former so called high class criminal who served his time (do the crime do the time),
Yes Hector was a very noble man! That’s why some of the gods didn’t want him to die and In some instances protected him.
We're about 3000 years too early for telescopes but yeah, someone would have seen the Greek fleet leave, got a small fast boat and overtaken it to warn Troy?
Wicker shields are actually very period .. but they are for sling stones and arrows :) You need a wooden and/or metal shield for melee, a much much heavier item (hence the wicker shields)
Achilles is justifiably cocky lol. He's the best fighter in the world by leaps and bounds.
"And that is why no one will remember your name." PWNT!! 😂🤣😂🤣
Saffron Burrows 💘💗🥰😂🤣😂🤣
The "I'll have her give me a bath." comment is hilarious :) The story is Agamemnon is killed by a slave in his bath ;)
"There are no pacts between lions and men" That line still goes hard AF 🔥
agreed
Oh God! So cringey! When reactors don't know anything about history and lore
There's very little historical about this film lol
You might be gad to know Agamemnon gets murdered on returning home .. by his wife :) He had this brilliant notion of sacrificing their daughter to ensure fair winds for the navy going to Troy .. and for some strange reason this really ticked her off lol
the story goes his mother dipped him in by the ankle which was why the achilles heal/ tendon, was the week spot, and pronly why it's still called the achiles tendon
She called this movie thrash. I know people have different opinions but some opinions shouldn't be shared.
Did you notice that? ... During the invasion, Achilles cut off the head of a golden statue that knelt and held a bow. (God of the Sun Apollo). ... As Achilles knelt like the statue, Paris shot an arrow at his heel.
Nice catch. I never noticed that
Not Arianna telling Paris to shut up 🤣
Achilles and brat words I'd never thought I would hear in the same sentence 🤣🤣🤣
It's not egotistical brattyness IF YOU CAN BACK IT UP, and he COULD.
Nothing people hate more than someone who is legitimately better than you, and everyone.
4:40 - "Chicken! It's yours!" xD :D
The old man (Paris's Dad) with white hair was Peter O'Toole. He was one of England's Finest Actors. See Lawrence Of Arabia, you will see "The white Haired Old Man" when he was a Young Blonde Haired man, who, in 1962, gave Brad Put a run for for his money looks wise.
Achilles gets shot in the heel and can't run.
Ariana: That's lame
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To be fair this is before even Rome and your name is your legacy and that's far more important than essentially anything and then it's your family and country comes second. To be remembered after death is the greatest Honor that can be given to you.
And this was around 1200 BC. This is a tale from the beginning of recorded civilization.
@@hector-nu6gl As far as can be accurately recorded in that part of the world.
@@dusttodust915 As far as it can be recorded in any part of the world. This time is a myth to us now.
"What is the pensive look, that look off into the distance is ridiculous" he was literally just predicted his future, and hes choosing to walk towards his own fate. Thats what that pensive look was...3:09
Wanting to be remembered as the greatest warrior in the history of mankind and having the ability to do so is the dopest thing ever. What are you talking about xD
1 of the best ancient history films...not precisely as is the novel but still tragic & excellent...."war sucks," Homer
"None of this is my fault" Too right, Ariana!
This story has stood the test of time; it is literally 3000 years old. This movie, however, does not do it justice in any way whatsoever
Finally someone who's watched the good version
What's the bad version?
@Diegesis The original theatrical cut is only available on DVD and Amazon. When the blu-ray was released it was only the extended director's cut. Which imo, was a worse version of this movie.
Fun fact, and favourite part of the movie, the monologue that got you choked up was from the "Illiad" itself. If you believe that some of what Homer wrote was true, what Priam said to Achilles thousands of years ago can be easily sympathized with still today.
5:53 :D i am dead ahahahaha , "he is Achilles , but " XD
King Priam was played by Peter O'Toole, one of the handsomest leading men in his heyday. Look at "Lawrence of Arabia" to see him in his youth. A lot of talent in this film telling a legendary story. Interestingly, this is a classic example of the winners writing the history, but the film gives some equal time to the Trojans. Hector is undoubtedly the most honorable, decent character among all the narcissism.
In the original its heavily pushed that Achilles loves Patroclus .. yeah in THAT way lol :) So ofc he goes ballistic when Patroclus is killed :)