@@Bikerboss06In all fairness, that's not such a bad trade off. I'm sure there are plenty of husbands doing chores to get some "quality time" and their wives don't look anywhere near as good as Katy Perry, who, in my honest opinion, isn't exactly a dime herself.
As you said, Hector is a good man. He understood his mistake killing Achilies' cousin "just a boy, way too young". So being the good man he is, he faced the consequences of his actions.
He also understood that he helped to start the war, by letting his foolish brother sleep with Helen, and later by not bringing them back to Sparta. He chose his brother, rather than his country, and he knew that sooner or later he must pay for his mistakes.
His honor even shows when Achilles takes off his helm, Hector's honor compels him to take his off too. As it would be an unfair advantage. Love that detail.
@@kylewilson2819 In ancient Greek history and mythology the suffering and hardships of heroes were a way to showcase human endurance and strength. Through trials, heroes demonstrated their resilience and ability to overcome even the most extreme challenges. Sisyphus, condemned to endlessly push a rock uphill, represents human perseverance, while Odysseus symbolizes endurance and cleverness as he fought for years to return home.
Well, in the Iliad he actually run back to the city gates from fear, bit by seeing one of his brothers to be there supporting him, he got courage and then started fighting against the mighty Achilles
@@killcounter1587 well, yea. Maybe u forgot to mention that Achilles only win the figth by a cheater god that spawn a second javelin in his hand? In the Iliad both throw their spears, both missed. Then Atena spawn Achilles spear back to his hand and he kills Hector thorwing it to his throat. Also Hector face Achilles only cuz another god trick him disguising as one of his battle brothers.
@@DarthPepis Achilles would have won nevertheless. He was the best, thanks to his mother's gift yes. But still the best. Hector was naturally stronger than anyone. What could surpass him was anything unnatural.
@@zekeolopwi6642 we are not talking if achilles could beat hector fair. The comment was reinforcing the idea of hector being a coward without telling that achilles was a cheater and i wasent having it. I dont even care about the Iliad, at all. Is just that i dont like the "half of the true" form of telling things that i see everywhere now
Hector represents, even today, all the qualities of a good leader and a good man. Brave, fair, considerate, capable... for me is the true real HERO of the Iliad.
And Hektor also defends the unjust, protecting his shitty brother Paris from the entirely foreseeable and wholly justified consequences of his impulsive actions. Honor, of course, requires Hektor to defend his brother. Filial piety takes precedence, even when that means putting your entire nation at risk for the sake of a scumbag. "Yeah, he may be a worthless piece of crap, but he's MY brother" is an attitude that is not wholly absent in the modern world. This makes Hektor's actions relatable. But not because he is a "good man". Morality requires Hektor to turn Paris over for his crimes. Honor requires Hektor to defend his brother. Hektor discards morality in favor of honor.
@@flatebo1 and don't forget that this other guy treated the girl as slave and went to war over a girl just to kill her himself honestly I'm glad Paris and the girl got together because I really hate that girl evil husband and his brother that always wants to take over troy and get more power honestly why don't a king fight their own battle for once and not drag an entire army just for them to be killed for no reason in this war. And I also hate these soilders kill innocent people and kill kids/babies
@@flatebo1 I respectfully disagree. Hector talks a good game. But he forsook his honor and gave lie to his words by the choices that he made. For pretty much all of recorded history, people have stood by and watched fathers, sons, brothers, assorted family, friends and lovers die in duels. Based on morality or ethics, you can certainly make a case that it is wrong to allow your brother to be killed in a duel. But honor demands that you do not interfere in a duel. Hector saving Paris was understandable in a modern mindset. But historically it is a very dishonorable deed to violate a code duello. And Menelaus was right when he said, "This is not honor! This is not worthy of royalty! If he doesn't fight, Troy is doomed!"
@@emilianohermosilla3996 That's funny. I've always been under the impression that a good man wouldn't kill a boy. Patroclus was far too young to die and Hector should have told the difference between a 18 (the Iliad states this when they introduced him) year old boy and a full grown man- Achilles. He's killed enough other soldiers to know the difference.
In the Illiad Mannaleus (Helens husband) wasn't abusive or cruel or evil he was a kind and honorarable warrior. He genuinely loved Helen and respected her. He didn't just see her as an object and she genuinely loved him in return. The only reason Helen left Mannaleus was because the goddess of love Aphrodite made her fall in love with Paris. The three greek get Goddesses Aphrodite, Athena and Hera were in a contest to see who was the most beautiful. They asked Paris to choose which of them was the most beautiful and offered him different things. Aphrodite offered him Helen and Made her fall for him, Helen left without sending a letter to explain. Mannaleus believed she was kidnapped and launched the war to save her.
@@Karl-me4mh Homer's Iliad is the oldest surviving artifact of European literature. It may seem like a "fairytale" for a nation that has only existed for a few hundred years and has distinguished itself primarily through war and destruction. As a European, it is sacred to me. Certainly holier than ANYTHING that has ever come from the US of A. "I fart in your general direction" to quote Monty Python.
Hector is a complete man - very rare. Physically strong, mentally strong, moral, brave, honorable, logical, faithful to his wife, humble, compassionate, intelligent, excellent at his job, a leader.
I like how the movie tried to explain the "Achilles Heel" mythology. The myth states that when he was a baby Achilles' mother Thetis (a sea nymph aka water godess) bathed him in the river Styx (river of the dead) in order to make him invulnerable. It also says that the only vulnerable point of Achilles was his heel because it was the only part that his mother was holding him from, while dipping him into the river. That myth circulated among the Greeks of that era as well in order to justify how good a warrior Achilles was and how he never lost in battles. The movie cleverly "debunks" that by saying that he was in fact a very good warrior but not immortal. And he was struck with a couple of arrows in the chest (which we see him removing in order to keep fighting) as well as one on the heel. And when he is found dead with just one arrow on the heel still remaining, that further emboldened the myth that he was hit in the only spot where he was not immortal and died.
In the myth Paris hits him with the arrow in the heel and Achilles pulls the arrow out, tearing the veins and the arteries in the foot, the aftermath is, he bleeds out. If he wouldn't have pulled the arrow out, he wouldn't die at all (medically; but he would, because it was the will of the Gods lol)
@@SataPataKiouta that's true. Still, the myths remain very close to eachother in crucial events, even though it's not directly mentioned in the Illiad or Odyssey. It also seems the one and only logical explanation, in fact, because an arrow in a leg or foot won't kill you and especially not a man like Achilles. The arrows used in the Trojan war had their pointy endings shaped in small hooks, that's why Achilles tore his whole heel when he tried to pull the arrow out. I think he even broke it first and continued to fight with the arrow in his heel and tore it later, when it became uncomfortable to move with it and collapsed afterwards. (ofcourse those are all myths, lol ~) But that's also why debunking his invincibility in a way like in this movie doesn't make sense. If he doesn't die from the arrow piercing his heel (and thus the consequences), where did the myth come from... did no one see the other holes in his torso? He's clearly in another clothes when being burned at the end... At times like those, dying from such a small wound would be inglorious; it would be more like: "four arrows were needed to kill a man like Achilles...." Also, have all the archers shooting at him the whole time during the war been blind? :D In the myth, he is shot while in battle still outside the city walls, so everyone sees it and it's only one arrow and it's also very unique death so there's no doubt it was that wound that killed him. (but again, the war in this movie lasts for 2 weeks including the mourning time for Hector haha ~ Odysseus won't have to wait 20 years to return home)
13:07 I’ve NEVER seen this version of the movie where Odysseus says he’s going to miss his dog. In the story of the odyssey after years when he gets back home in disguise to avoid suspicion the only one who recognizes Odysseus is his dog, Argos, who is old and dying, alone, tossed out onto the street and laying in manure. Argos waited that whole time for Odysseus to return but knew he couldn’t go up to him because he’d put him at risk and he was too weak to do so. He just wags his tail. After that he laid his head down and finally died having seen Odysseus return in his final moments. And Odysseus also had to just walk past him.
Fun Fact: if you read the Roman myths and legends, Aenaes leads a group of Trojans to central italy where his descendants, about 300 years later, found Rome.
Achillies mother attempts to make the baby Achilles immortal, by dipping him in the River Styx (the river that runs through the underworld), while holding him by his heel. The one part of his body left untouched by the waters becomes his only point of weakness.
When Odysseus says "Women have a way of complicating things," he's not just referring to Achilles newfound love with Briseis. He's also referring to his own wife, Queen Penelope. Just a few days before Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Ithaca, Penelope gave birth to her and Odysseus's son, Telemachus. So Odysseus had to leave for Troy knowing he would never get to watch his son grow up.
From Homer's "The Illiad", Achilles loved Briseis more due to the fact that she was a gift from his men to him and he deeply loved and respected his men.
Achilles also never entered the Troy. Paris killed him way before the Horse was made. And ofcourse Agamemnon never died in Troy, there is a whole new story about him returning home and killed by his wife and her lover
@@RootinrPootine You would be thinking wrong. I've definitely read "The Iliad", shortly after "Troy" was released. Troy being the first movie I went to see at the cinema after my return from deployment to Iraq, or are you going to question THAT as well? ~ "The Iliad" is a MASSIVE tome and took forever to get through and there were just too many points to hit upon to monopolize this comment section, but I'll hit upon a few others. ~ There were actually TWO "Ajax" characters. The large one in the film, who was NOT killed by Hector. He committed suicide after having gone mad and killing some livestock he thought were Trojan soldiers. The smaller Ajax was his good friend. Achilles had FIFTY (50) SHIPS of FIFTY (50) MEN each, NOT just one. Hector and Paris had a half sister who always had visions and was considered mad. She foretold of the evil that Helen would bring upon Troy. There was an omission of Troy's allies in the war, unfortunately, I can only recall the Amazons. In fact, Achilles had grieved over their fallen queen/general, whom he had killed in battle, himself. Leading a high ranking Greek to mock him and suggest they would've gotten married. Achilles killed him on the spot. The "gods" played a larger role and faced off against each other over it. After killing Achilles, Paris was killed by a half mad Greek archer who was retrieved from exile on an island to deal with him. ~ Satisfied. Or do you want more?
The actor who played King Priam of Troy was Peter O'Toole. To see O'Toole as a much younger actor, think about reacting to "Lawrence of Arabia", first because it is one of the greatest movies ever made, secondly because the cinematography is stunning and third to see Mr. O'Toole at his height of acting prowess. You won't regret it.
I saw this in the theater, and when leaving, I heard a couple of people say what a great movie this was. It's very well done. Gladiator next? YES. You'll love that one.
Per Virgil, Aeneas was the ancestors of those who would become the Romans. So Paris giving the Sword of Troy to Aeneas does have a lot of meaning. This movie doesn't perfectly tell the old stories of the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid, but it comes close. And it's a hell of show, with lots of vibrant characters!
Well, it does not come close at all...Not Agamemnon, neither Menelaus, nor Ajax were killed in Troy...Andromache, Hector's wife, did not escape free...She was taken by the Greeks as a slave together with Ekavi, King Priamus wife. Helen did not escape with Paris...She returned to Menelaus...And Paris, as you can assume, died during the war. A Greek by the name Philoctetes killed him...
The scene with Aeneas is so weird. He looks all excited and happy for the sword given to him and in the meantime his city is burning, his people diying.
@@karst1559 In the original text, Aeneas indeed escaped free...But only because Greek soldiers spared him when they saw him carrying his disabled father.
@@demetriskatsianis2396 According to Vergil Aeneas founded Lavinium in Latium and his descendant Romulus founded Rome. From the perspective of a spectator it is understandable the excitement in seeing him taking the sword of Troy. But Aeneas himself should be everything but happy or excited: he's fleeing while his home is being destroyed. Anyways there are other protagonists who are completely forgotten here, like Antenor and Diomedes. They too survived the war and had some adventures elsewhere.
@@karst1559 To make it more weird, think about this. Paris gives him the sword because he is not sure that he will make it alive because he had to go back and kill Achilles. But later we see Paris get away with the fugitives so he must have taken the sword back and carry it as the last remained Prince of Troy (all that according to the movie, because in Iliad Paris died way before)
Odysseus is more important than you'd think. This was only half of the entire Saga, this marks the begining of his arc....it's his story, His "Odyssey".
Love how this was written in a way that had you believing how the legend of Achilles' Heel came about and explained how Achilles was not a demi-god, but just an exceptionally well trained and disciplined warrior. Oh, and Hector and Paris were only half brothers in the novel as King Priam liked to play around and had A LOT of out of wedlock children. Only Hector was born from his wife.
It didnt even outright say that he wasnt. The scene with his mother proposed one option, and his death scene proposed the other option, and both options were plausible by the movie logic.
@@pavelslama5543 EXACTLY. And, I believe, Paris targeted his heel first because he observed how Achilles attacked his brother with pouncing moves. He had to remove the threat of his agility and cause him suffering at the same time. Of course, in The Iliad, (spoiler alert for those that aren't aware) neither Achilles nor Paris survived long enough to even see the Trojan Horse, let alone take part in the sacking of Troy battle. Hector's son, between 5 and 10 years old, was captured and thrown from the top of the city wall. Agamemnon survived to return to Mycenae where his wife's lovers ambushed him in his bath at her orders, because he sacrificed their daughter for fair winds to sail across the Aegean Sea to attack Troy. Achilles actually had FIFTY (50) ships of fifty men. ALL of the main women were captured and Menelaus forgave Helen where the rest were made into slaves. (Whew!) Did I miss anything? 🤷🏻♂️🤣
Pampered weak son who's never been in a battle, doesn't lift, can't fight has challenged a middle aged, battle hardened Spartan King that was training to Kill since childhood? "Here's the sacred family sword." 🤔
Aeneas, the one who received the Sword of Troy, after a long journey, settled on the shores of central Italy and founded Rome. Romans a few centuries later conquered Greece. In a way the Trojans had their revenge.
Well. that is according to roman mythology. Because it was no glory in having ancestors who killed their brothers and stole wifes from the etruscans when Rome was a den of thieves. Better to calls Troyans your ancestors.
@@slimbombur7922 Ancestors that killed their brothers? Yuo mean Romulus and Remus that are legendarily descendants of Aeneas the Trojan? Also it was the Sabine women the Romans abducted, not Etruscan, and those women actually stopped their brothers and fathers from killing Romans in retaliation which united the two tribes.
@@Meko-Teko no, Aeneas founded Lavinium in Latium region (his wife's name was Lavinia, King of the tribe of Latini's daughter) and his son Iullus founded Alba Longa. His descendants, the twins Romulus and Remus founded Rome centuries later.
"Didn't the Greeks really slaughter like this?" The shorter list would be those who didn't do this. The longer a war or even a siege goes, the worse it is for the losing side at the end. This one lasted twenty years.
Yea, most sieges lasted 6 months to a year or so just to make it look good for their own ruler. If the city didn't put up enough resistance, their own ruler would punish them.
Who didn't do this at that time and even in more modern times of war? War is ugly, unfair and cruel. All humans have done this, in all the wars regardless of where they come from etc.
www.youtube.com/@ColetteCherry Actually, there is more to why the Greeks gave no quarter to Troy. Showing no mercy is the consequence of Troy not living up to the pact when Greece won in single combat (which was supposed to avoid more people from fighting and dying).
55:25 Yeah, and the movie is still severely toned down in the brutality. Because according to the original story by Homér, even the fate of Hector´s wife was according to what Hector only voiced as a possibility in the movie - she was r*ped, and forcefully married off, and their son was thrown off the city walls.
@@georgeprchal3924That had nothing to do with Roman and Greek. However, Alexander the Great defeated the Persian empire, which Parisian damaged Greek life and lands. This was revenge for the Greeks.
100% agreed on Hector. Possibly my favorite character ever. The only way I don’t tear up when Hector leaves is by him thinking, “look what the heck you did Helen. Look wtf you did. I’ll just go DIE now.”
Sean Bean played Odysseus (AKA Ulises). The Odyssey is one of two major ancient Greek epic poems attributed to Homer. It is one of the oldest extant works of literature still widely read by modern audiences. As with the Iliad (that we see here), the poem is divided into 24 books. It follows the Greek hero Odysseus, king of Ithaca, and his journey home after this Trojan War. There´s a good classic movie about the Odyssey and Ulises, played by Kirk Douglas.
Hector is not a coward. He is a brave, honest men who accepts the consequences of his actions. He is a proud solldier and prince of troy. He basically has no choice if he wants to keep the respect and honor he worked so hard for
Also, one other thing to commend Hector. In his fight with Achilles he never brands a weapon that hasnt been used in battle until he disarms Achilles of the one he is currently using. He honors even his enemy while fighting them as well.
In ancient times a siege would often end with a massacre like this. They were extremely drawn out affairs that could last months or even years, and at the end you have a bunch of young, poorly educated men who finally have a chance to vent months of frustration.
37:22 Hector had two options. Either half-ass the attack in order to follow his preferred strategy of dividing the Greeks, or follow the orders from his dad. And sadly, he chose the honorable and dutiful option to follow his father´s orders, which ultimately doomed them all.
Hector is healthy masculinity. A great father, son, husband, brother and citizen that died fighting to protect his people in a war he tried to prevent.
@@RootinrPootine I meant in the movie. lol. I didn’t know if anyone would call me out on that. I considered qualifying. In the Iliad he’s a duck too, but he’s better than Paris (who isn’t though?).
YES! Paris of Troy is one of the most despicable characters in all of Greek mythology, in all mythology, in all of human stories. I love it when reactors don't know the history in historical epics or the legends movies are based on it's always hilarious when they find out 😂
44:30 you have to understand that the concept of honour was what moved most things during those times. Hector is a honourable man, a virtuous man who knows Achilles is there because he killed his cousin. He knows he’s at fault for that, and he owns his faults, facing the consequences of his actions head on. Achilles has the right to avenge his cousin, and Hector respects that
I know the sacking of troy is hard to watch, but it brilliantly shows the brutality of ancient warfare, which really was something else. Entire populations of cities were put to the sword and its not an anomaly, every army behaved like this. For me these scenes give me perspective how good my life is like nothing else.
One of the main differences between this film and the original story is that the film has Helen going with Paris willingly, but in the original story, it was very much him KIDNAPPING her. Helen and Menelaus actually had a really good relationship, and she wanted to remain loyal to him, but Paris got some help from Aphrodite to abduct her because she had promised him he’d have Helen as his wife as a reward for choosing her as the most beautiful goddess between her, Hera, and Athena.
Yeah in all adaptations they always put Menelaus in a very bad position. He was as good fighter as Hector, he protected patroclus body, he was cheated in the duel with Paris (when Paris was saved by Aphrodite and someone arrowed Menelaus), he forgived Helen, Menelaus was not drunkard when she was taken, he was at his grandparents funeral in Crete.
@@velzaresp8623 Not all of them. There is one film adaptation where Menelaus is much closer to how he is in the Iliad. That film is “Helen Of Troy”, starring Sienna Gillory as Helen and Rufus Sewell as Agamemnon.
what I love about the fight between achilles v hektor. Is achilles does all the moves we've seen him do before. There's tests and exchanges you prod and poke see how your opponent reacts. The shield banging, the spear move that he did with his sword. the shield defense in front attacking with the spear. Also he's rage driven but he's in control, he's focused he's not succumbing to anger which would have cost him his life. And his style is appears over the top but its base is to counter, he baits you with looking exposed and tries to catch and punish when you go for it.
There are actually a few spear masters on TH-cam who have critiqued this fight and said it was a decent enactment one what a 1 on 1 spear fight would look like (with the exception of a shattering of a turned and re-inforced spear).
Near the end, when you asked, did the Greeks really do this the answer is yes as did every country back in the day if you read about history or epics and they say "the city was razed/sacked" this is is what they mean.
57:00 - so this is actually more important than you realize Aeneas is the main carictar of the epic poem the Aeneid which attepts to Tie Rome to Troy through the Aeneas.
Millions of people have been dying and suffering from wars from ancient times to the present. Wars continue. Almost all people are good people. And they don't deserve to die, any more than Hector did. But they are dying. It is sad.
@@HaloDude557They found Troy. However, archeologists cannot dig more because of Turkish government restrictions. If the Turkish government allowed them to, they would find the tombs of warriors like Achilles.
This story as it is presented here does a very good job of giving us TWO protagonists to cheer for whom unfortunately cross paths under these circumstances. Compelling. Growing up in the 60's with many 'sword and sandal' movies had me very pleased that besides the Lord of the Rings, we got TROY, 300, and Gladiator.
Jason and the Argonauts was the equivalent of The Avengers in those days, the ultimate crossover story featuring every famous name and character of the age.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
There’s a limited series on Netflix that stays closer to the mythology. They still add in the extra parts not seen in the Iliad but keep true in most part to the Greek and Roman interpretations, gods and all. Don’t get your hopes up tho bc it’s not very well done😂
Hector only technically doesn't have to go and fight Achilles. This is the consequence of what he did regardles of what he knew (typical for a greek themed tragedy). He cannot escape acountability if he wants to remain a man.
Fun fact: Aeneas the guy who got the sword from Paris would lead his people to settle in a new place! The place eventually became the City that we all know as Rome!
I love this movie, I've watched it so many times over the past 17+ years and I've watched like 20 different TH-camrs react to it, usually being the first video that helps me discover their channel.. just like this one lol.
It is to be noted that in the Odyssey, Agamemnon survives. He's killed by his wife and her lover, back in Mycenae. Odysseus is punished by Poseidon for destroying the city that was under is protection, and remains lost at sea for 10 years before going back to Ithaca.
How would you know? you haven’t read the Iliad. That’s the book this is based on. It was so good it was the equivalent of the Bible for Greeks 2500 years ago. But never mind, just watch da movies
That's something I feel is lacking from many modern movies... that sense of weight and scope. The early 00s were a good time for that with movies like Troy, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven and the LotR trilogy. Nowadays they have the ability to bring spectacular things to life with even better effects but it always seems weightless and trivial. The irreverent Marvel-style humor that has poisoned everything doesn't help either.
In the movie Achilles just wanted to fight for king who was honorable. Who fought with his men..aka like King Arthur. Achilles portrayal was that of a soldier who is tired of fighting battles for egos and greedy kings. And Achilles was right..soliders win battles. Also, Hector had a strategic military mind..he was right and problem was King believed in Gods would come in where Hector believed in what manpower and strategic ways to win battles. I loved your take Collette...about everything. Achilles was more respected because he had a code and fought WITH his men. AKA once again why King Arthur story is a legend. An honorable leader.
@@georgeprchal3924 LOL you miss the point entirely when I say fight. I mean a man of purpose. Warlords are a dime a dozen throughout history. Fighting amongst you men and having purpose are two different things and using your men for selfish purposes is easy. Caring, leading, and having honor say like Leonidas are different. That is point I was making. So yes you are right their have been kings that fought beside their men, but having a truly good leader no those were rare. If it was common place or easy path everyone would do it.
@@shawnkroll3950 the Greeks did have purpose though: reunite Helen with Menelaus. In the Iliad Menelaus won the right to marry Helen and Achilles, Odysseus, Agamemnon, Diomedes, Ajax etc were honor bound to defend their marriage which happened when Paris abducted her.
@@georgeprchal3924 True. But to me "won" the right to marry is more like property. Not really a choice, but back that is way things were done. It really was about one man wanting what he deemed his "property" back. Honor bound to defend their marriage is just a way to use honor to claim his property. Not true honor. But beyond that movie takes liberties with history. But Agamemnon really in this movie had people fight his battles for him and truthfully a lot of warlords in history were like this. I think they did this more as premise for movie that Achilles craved a true good leader..as he makes comment to Troy's king..you are a far better king than the one who leads this army. I agree with you point but for movie aspects..they really made Agamemnon and his army look like villains and from a certain point of view they kind are.
@@shawnkroll3950 Helen and Menelaus' children would disagree seeing as they did not take kindly to their mother being kidnapped and even Helen herself thought Paris weak and prayed her husband killed him.
The Greeks had been conquered and desemated long before the Romans went there. It would be like if China kicked the shit out the USA and left it a shell of its former glory. Then the British came in and kicked the usa when it was down and not really the USA anymore claiming revenge for American Revolution.
@@landonboyd3001 you’re in the comments section for a movie based on a book. Someone tells you to read the book rather than just say irrelevant generalities. And your response is to get super butthurt and call them narcissistic? lol get a grip
@RootinrPootine I'm telling you I'm not talking about his character in troy.. I'm talking about the actual real historical Agamemnon, so you're response is irrelevant to my comment.. not but hurt, I'm just not going to respond kindly to someone replying to my comment in a haughty degrading way. you have to have lost the plot if you think people should be nice to you when you come at them in such a rude manner.
@@landonboyd3001 for gods sake please listen to yourself. This is what the people call COPE. You don’t respond to a call out by validating all of my criticisms as if that makes you look cool and rational. Jesus. “Ahh actually, I was talking about history from Wikipedia in a yt movie reaction comment section, you idiot!” WOW you really got me there, that wasn’t exactly what I was making fun of. lol. Have you read the Iliad? Yes or no?????
@ColetteCherry at first I was thinking "what is she talking about I don't remember seeing them throw any babies" then it happened and I said holy sh*t lol I had seen this movie like 4 or 5 times too
I actually went and read the Iliad a few months ago, and it's a WILD book to read. Ajax (dude with the warhammer, played by Tyler Mane, who by himself stands 6'9'') was said to be second ONLY to Achilles himself out of all the Greek soldiers. Also, the Thessalonian King is played by another actor you've already seen. His name is Julian Glover, making an appearance in Episode V of Star Wars, "The Empire Strikes Back", along with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
51.56 ...actually Odysseus was the wisest guy in whole story :) Here we seen only the first part Iliad , the second part Odyssey deserves a movie too :)
Great movie but of course classic Hollywood movie...in the true story Menelaus lives and takes Hellen back to Sparta, Paris is also dying when Greeks enter Troy and Agamemnon also lives and is killed by his wife when he returns in Greece!
its funny how she is in the beginning like: Oh yeah Girl, cheat on your Husband because he is an asshole. Yes, i totally support that. OMG QUEEEEEEEN. Hector dies: Why is this happening, OMG I dont support this. Women....
Your knowledge of History, especially during that time is shocking. All armies did that to their enemies.. If you couldn't handle any of those scenes particular scenes, then the HBO series Rome is not for you
I met a young Greek bartender in Memphis (Tennessee not Egypt) once who told me that King Menelaus was a REAL person and he saw his mummy. Said that he was a very small man, as in the "Helen Of Troy" movie, that did a better job of casting (other than the character of Achilles).
Yes, Agamemnon is also considered to be a real historical king. Troy was also a historical city. In fact, the myth of Troy was very likely created as a distant memory of a real huge war, and not as a fantasy story. The fact that people had no way how to write it down immediately left the space for numerous retellings, which lead to the appearance of many mystical beings and forces, but the basis underneath it was indeed real.
@@pavelslama5543 There are two rumors surrounding Homer's tome, "The Iliad". One, that the blind scholar wrote it 600 years AFTER the supposed event. Two, scholars have debated if the tome was a compilation of SEVERAL scholars over centuries.
@@danielhaynes2373it's more than likely the latter. Since we do know the Illiad was around for generations being passed down verbally before someone wrote it down. The version written down is very diffrent from the original I sposue if you've ever played the game telephone you'll know how easy it is for one story to change to another when passed verbally from person to person.
44:25 Hector is a good man. That's mostly why he fought Achilles. 52:25 similar Hector doesn't have the same motivation as Achilles. That's why I believe he subtly knew he wouldn't survive the fight.
Thank you for making awesome content! Edit, Brad Pitt and Eric Bana did not use stunt doubles for their epic duel. They made a gentleman's agreement to pay for every accidental hit. $50 for each light hit, $100 for each hard blow. Pitt ended up paying Bana $750. Bana didn't owe Pitt anythin.
In Ancient Greece, honor is primordial in a citizen's life. And dying on the battlefield is the greatest honor of all. That's why Hector, being the honorable man that he is, agrees to Achilles' challenge. He has no choice. It would shame his father's name and his country not to do so.
55:59 1 of my favorite quotes in a movie is actually one Brad Pitt says, " Ideals are peaceful... History is violent." It's from the movie, "Fury." War throughout all generations was brutal AF
If you want to watch the sequel to this it's an adaptation called "O, Brother Where Art Thou?". George Clooney plays Odysseus as "Ulysses Everett" trying to get home to Greece after the war. Great movie too!
The movie actually screwed up the original story. Achilles was said to be invincible - with only spot on his body vulnerable to injury - his heel - where he was held by his mother as she dipped him in the river Styx. Paris lets loose one arrow at Achilles, striking him in the heel - causing his death.
Another great reaction. Love the insites. If you haven't already seen it then Thr Usual Suspects is an amazing film to watch. Great story telling and brilliantly written and directed
I love that Colette is so torn between "that's so brutal and terrible" one minute, then "that's so hot" the next. Her emotional turmoil about sums up the situtation. Great reaction Colette. That you've made it through this and your other recent viewings shows how far you've come!
Hi Colette listen, as Italians the Trojan War is a bit our daily bread, Achilles challenges Hector in a one-on-one duel to avenge Patroclus, And Hector has to accept by force, ancient history is full of these moments, furthermore in Original Myth Achilles and Hector challenge each other because they know well that whoever wins between them 2 wins the war!
Well, as a Greek I have to say that in the original Homer's poem, there is no mutual challenge...It is only Achilles who keeps on challenging Hector and Hector keeps avoiding the duel, because he knows he is no match for Achilles. There is a part in which Achilles is chasing Hector around the walls of Troy...
@@demetriskatsianis2396 Yes, I already knew it, but in the end Ettore accepts! I remember that there is a Deity in one version that convinces him! In a version I read I remember that it's there! Look, I know mythology and not just Greek mythology!
@@demetriskatsianis2396 I tried to explain it to him because from what I understood in the USA not everyone knows the ancient legends! Let's leave aside the part that Hephaestus forges new weapons and armor for the occasion before the battle!
@@demetriskatsianis2396 There is no mutual challenge but in the end Ettore Accepts! In the end he has to accept! However, it is an unequal challenge! There is no mutual challenge as you say but in the end Ettore Accepts! In the end he has to accept! However, it is an unequal challenge!
@@pierluigiguerriero8977 Yes, about the Deities...even I cannot recollect who helps whom...I think Athena (Minerva for Latins) is with the side of the Greeks, Apollo is with the Trojans, Artemis (Diane)...I do not remember!!!
A lot of people citing the Iliad for their critiques here seem to have no idea what actually takes place in the prose, which amounts to very little of the overall mythology. The fate of Paris, Helen, Achilles, or many of the other kings is never mentioned in the Iliad as it ends with Hector’s funeral.
Actually both classics are poems of sublime quality but for Americans they are like a Xena episode. Europe Is now catching up, instead of deeply studying and discussing both epics for 3 years like boomers did they read a condensed version so the whole World can be ignorant and enjoy this crappy Hollywood trash.
@@ruggerobelloni4743 I hate the condensed versions that are served up in most educational settings. They often bleed in Roman additions and are very apt to missing the point of the prose. The Robert Fagles translation has always been a favorite of mine that I reread at least once every couple of years. That being said I actually adore the movie Troy ever since I first saw it. It simply tells the tale as more of a war story between complex men as opposed to a myth of the affect that gods have on men and their ambitions. Both have their place and I think it would be likely impossible to present an accurate depiction of the prose on film without it being surreal to the point of disconnection.
I love the fact that you started with the director's cut, it's the definitive version. As for the sacking of the city at the end, this is the only historically accurate depiction of a city being sacked that I'm aware of on film. It wasn't just the Greeks, everyone in that era sacked cities in that manner: kill fighting age men, seize women and maybe adolescents as slaves, and kill all children or invalids from the defeated people. This was the standard behavior of every human group until very recent history. The Assyrians were from that same period and were actually much more cruel than anything depicted here, even by the standards of the bronze age they were bad. Anyway, great reaction looking forward to more!
Hellenes (Greeks) have such an strong relation with Glory and Honor from ancient times through moder ones in the Battle of thermopyles around 1100 greeks (300 Spartiates and 700 thesproteis + some ilotes) fought an unwinnable fight just so they could hold the enemy long enough for their brothers to consolidate their forces. In 1453 the Marble king Konstantinos Palaiologos when the hundreds of thousands Turks broke into the City was offered to be transported to safety via a ship and he answered No Emperor should outlive his empire and went to fight one last time. In the revolution of 1821 one of the greatest revolutionary commanders Athanasios Diakos was captured by the ottomans and because he was such a great commander he was offered a position in the Officer corps of the ottoman army if he became Muslim and a turk he answered I was born a greek I will di a greek the ottomans impaled him and roasted him alive never once he changed his mind or begged form mercy. This last one is a story I heard from a cretan about his father in the war against the Germans 1941 you can choose to believe it or not there is no documentation about it but from how the old man spoke to me I believe every word and comma he said . He asked me who do you consider a hero I told him this is a very deep subject and he cut me I will tell you who is a hero MY FATHER is a hero because when the Germans stood him to the village square to execute him for his revolutionary actions he Shouted to my mother: Woman take away the child I don't want him to watch. Both me and the old man were sobing when he finished
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Watch 'Legends of the Fall' and say again that Brad Pitt never looked better than here..😅
the illiad is as violent as the movie....i love this whole story..."RAGE goddess, sing the rage of peleus' son, achilles!"
james horner's musical score was beautiful
Almighty God! Homer would turn in his grave because of this adaptation! It's the worst vandalism on the basic story ever made.
Our boy Sean Bean didn't die that deserves some credit
Brad took the arrows this time.
@@Polemistis0416imagine if Sean bean Juno in front of the arrows not again
wait! that's true!
He should definitely be Odysseus again in the Odyssey.
he got lucky on this movie
Paris is the real villain. No honor whatsoever
The city having his names makes him proud.
Yes, and he didnt even survive the Iliad. He lived like in a cowardly way, and died in a cowardly way (shot by an arrow).
Facts now he is doing house chores just so Katy perry gives him some box It's embarrassing.
@@Bikerboss06In all fairness, that's not such a bad trade off. I'm sure there are plenty of husbands doing chores to get some "quality time" and their wives don't look anywhere near as good as Katy Perry, who, in my honest opinion, isn't exactly a dime herself.
@@pavelslama5543I made this exact point after the screening I went to asked the audience to fill out a survey/questionnaire.
As you said, Hector is a good man. He understood his mistake killing Achilies' cousin "just a boy, way too young". So being the good man he is, he faced the consequences of his actions.
He also understood that he helped to start the war, by letting his foolish brother sleep with Helen, and later by not bringing them back to Sparta. He chose his brother, rather than his country, and he knew that sooner or later he must pay for his mistakes.
His honor even shows when Achilles takes off his helm, Hector's honor compels him to take his off too. As it would be an unfair advantage. Love that detail.
Way more simple than this. He was being challenged. He had to answer it. Period.
@@zimvader25I was gonna say the same.
That is something women never will understand: to face the consequences of their actions 😂
Fan fact: When Odysseus says i will miss my dog, in Homer's poem, his dog (Argos) waited 20 years to see Odysseus again and when he saw him, he died
break my heart why dont ya
God, the Odyssey is depressing AF.
@@kylewilson2819 In ancient Greek history and mythology the suffering and hardships of heroes were a way to showcase human endurance and strength. Through trials, heroes demonstrated their resilience and ability to overcome even the most extreme challenges. Sisyphus, condemned to endlessly push a rock uphill, represents human perseverance, while Odysseus symbolizes endurance and cleverness as he fought for years to return home.
@@armandoclambers3820 Oh I’m aware. It’s depressing af lol
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Hector is a man of honor. When challenged; he must answer his challenger. He is not a coward like his weasel of a brother.
Well, in the Iliad he actually run back to the city gates from fear, bit by seeing one of his brothers to be there supporting him, he got courage and then started fighting against the mighty Achilles
@@killcounter1587 well, yea. Maybe u forgot to mention that Achilles only win the figth by a cheater god that spawn a second javelin in his hand?
In the Iliad both throw their spears, both missed. Then Atena spawn Achilles spear back to his hand and he kills Hector thorwing it to his throat. Also Hector face Achilles only cuz another god trick him disguising as one of his battle brothers.
@@DarthPepis Achilles would have won nevertheless. He was the best, thanks to his mother's gift yes. But still the best. Hector was naturally stronger than anyone. What could surpass him was anything unnatural.
@DarthPepis Yeh but Achilles also beat up a river god, so Hector still would've been a no diff fight 💀😂
@@zekeolopwi6642 we are not talking if achilles could beat hector fair. The comment was reinforcing the idea of hector being a coward without telling that achilles was a cheater and i wasent having it.
I dont even care about the Iliad, at all. Is just that i dont like the "half of the true" form of telling things that i see everywhere now
Hector represents, even today, all the qualities of a good leader and a good man. Brave, fair, considerate, capable... for me is the true real HERO of the Iliad.
Indeed! A true archetype of a man
And Hektor also defends the unjust, protecting his shitty brother Paris from the entirely foreseeable and wholly justified consequences of his impulsive actions. Honor, of course, requires Hektor to defend his brother. Filial piety takes precedence, even when that means putting your entire nation at risk for the sake of a scumbag. "Yeah, he may be a worthless piece of crap, but he's MY brother" is an attitude that is not wholly absent in the modern world. This makes Hektor's actions relatable. But not because he is a "good man". Morality requires Hektor to turn Paris over for his crimes. Honor requires Hektor to defend his brother. Hektor discards morality in favor of honor.
@@flatebo1 and don't forget that this other guy treated the girl as slave and went to war over a girl just to kill her himself honestly I'm glad Paris and the girl got together because I really hate that girl evil husband and his brother that always wants to take over troy and get more power honestly why don't a king fight their own battle for once and not drag an entire army just for them to be killed for no reason in this war.
And I also hate these soilders kill innocent people and kill kids/babies
@@flatebo1 I respectfully disagree. Hector talks a good game. But he forsook his honor and gave lie to his words by the choices that he made.
For pretty much all of recorded history, people have stood by and watched fathers, sons, brothers, assorted family, friends and lovers die in duels.
Based on morality or ethics, you can certainly make a case that it is wrong to allow your brother to be killed in a duel. But honor demands that you do not interfere in a duel.
Hector saving Paris was understandable in a modern mindset. But historically it is a very dishonorable deed to violate a code duello.
And Menelaus was right when he said, "This is not honor! This is not worthy of royalty! If he doesn't fight, Troy is doomed!"
@@emilianohermosilla3996 That's funny. I've always been under the impression that a good man wouldn't kill a boy. Patroclus was far too young to die and Hector should have told the difference between a 18 (the Iliad states this when they introduced him) year old boy and a full grown man- Achilles. He's killed enough other soldiers to know the difference.
In the Illiad Mannaleus (Helens husband) wasn't abusive or cruel or evil he was a kind and honorarable warrior. He genuinely loved Helen and respected her. He didn't just see her as an object and she genuinely loved him in return. The only reason Helen left Mannaleus was because the goddess of love Aphrodite made her fall in love with Paris. The three greek get Goddesses Aphrodite, Athena and Hera were in a contest to see who was the most beautiful. They asked Paris to choose which of them was the most beautiful and offered him different things. Aphrodite offered him Helen and Made her fall for him, Helen left without sending a letter to explain. Mannaleus believed she was kidnapped and launched the war to save her.
Homer would turn in his grave because of this adaptation! This movie is the worst vandalism on the basic story ever made.
He was also the first to defend Patroclus' body from the Trojans after Apollo sniped him.
@@abuseofmainstreammediacanh5713 When you have never read Homer's fairytale, this is a good movie.
@@Karl-me4mh Homer's Iliad is the oldest surviving artifact of European literature. It may seem like a "fairytale" for a nation that has only existed for a few hundred years and has distinguished itself primarily through war and destruction. As a European, it is sacred to me. Certainly holier than ANYTHING that has ever come from the US of A. "I fart in your general direction" to quote Monty Python.
@@abuseofmainstreammediacanh5713 it has 'gods' in it ... come on.
Hector is a complete man - very rare. Physically strong, mentally strong, moral, brave, honorable, logical, faithful to his wife, humble, compassionate, intelligent, excellent at his job, a leader.
Just don't reference the Illiad version where he spent the whole duel running around Troy's walls trying to get away.
@@ADADEL1 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@ADADEL1 "Just don't reference the Iliad" is a sentence which kinda fits for so many scenes of this movie, as much as they got right.
I like how the movie tried to explain the "Achilles Heel" mythology.
The myth states that when he was a baby Achilles' mother Thetis (a sea nymph aka water godess) bathed him in the river Styx (river of the dead) in order to make him invulnerable. It also says that the only vulnerable point of Achilles was his heel because it was the only part that his mother was holding him from, while dipping him into the river. That myth circulated among the Greeks of that era as well in order to justify how good a warrior Achilles was and how he never lost in battles.
The movie cleverly "debunks" that by saying that he was in fact a very good warrior but not immortal. And he was struck with a couple of arrows in the chest (which we see him removing in order to keep fighting) as well as one on the heel. And when he is found dead with just one arrow on the heel still remaining, that further emboldened the myth that he was hit in the only spot where he was not immortal and died.
In the myth Paris hits him with the arrow in the heel and Achilles pulls the arrow out, tearing the veins and the arteries in the foot, the aftermath is, he bleeds out. If he wouldn't have pulled the arrow out, he wouldn't die at all (medically; but he would, because it was the will of the Gods lol)
Thank you!
@@zeroknight4517 I've never heard about the veins and arteries thing. But I don't doubt it. Greek myths have about 100 permutations each.
@@SataPataKiouta that's true. Still, the myths remain very close to eachother in crucial events, even though it's not directly mentioned in the Illiad or Odyssey. It also seems the one and only logical explanation, in fact, because an arrow in a leg or foot won't kill you and especially not a man like Achilles. The arrows used in the Trojan war had their pointy endings shaped in small hooks, that's why Achilles tore his whole heel when he tried to pull the arrow out. I think he even broke it first and continued to fight with the arrow in his heel and tore it later, when it became uncomfortable to move with it and collapsed afterwards. (ofcourse those are all myths, lol ~) But that's also why debunking his invincibility in a way like in this movie doesn't make sense. If he doesn't die from the arrow piercing his heel (and thus the consequences), where did the myth come from... did no one see the other holes in his torso? He's clearly in another clothes when being burned at the end... At times like those, dying from such a small wound would be inglorious; it would be more like: "four arrows were needed to kill a man like Achilles...." Also, have all the archers shooting at him the whole time during the war been blind? :D In the myth, he is shot while in battle still outside the city walls, so everyone sees it and it's only one arrow and it's also very unique death so there's no doubt it was that wound that killed him. (but again, the war in this movie lasts for 2 weeks including the mourning time for Hector haha ~ Odysseus won't have to wait 20 years to return home)
This movie was trying to portray Achilles here as the truth behind the myth.
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I’ve NEVER seen this version of the movie where Odysseus says he’s going to miss his dog. In the story of the odyssey after years when he gets back home in disguise to avoid suspicion the only one who recognizes Odysseus is his dog, Argos, who is old and dying, alone, tossed out onto the street and laying in manure. Argos waited that whole time for Odysseus to return but knew he couldn’t go up to him because he’d put him at risk and he was too weak to do so. He just wags his tail. After that he laid his head down and finally died having seen Odysseus return in his final moments.
And Odysseus also had to just walk past him.
It's the directors cut, longer and much more brutal version
Hands down the most heartbreaking moment in all of mythology.
Why did he have to be in disguise, wouldn't he be returning a hero?
@@bigdaddy741098 He wanted to assess the situation before he acted.
@@andreduarte8372 what situation? Is it the situation that the Greeks think that he killed the evil king or what?
Fun Fact: if you read the Roman myths and legends, Aenaes leads a group of Trojans to central italy where his descendants, about 300 years later, found Rome.
also one of the key reasons rome also invaded and attacked Greece was for revenge as well for what they did to troy
i loved it when you said ''i really hate this plot'' , gave me a chuckle knowing the plot/story was first written down 2900 years ago :)
And funny thing it still reigns true in some circumstances today. Even women fighting over men. Lmao
It was written that the Spartans sacked Troy in such a horrid manner that when they awoke, they couldn't look at one another for a whole day.
Definition of "possesed by devils" in the process.
Achillies mother attempts to make the baby Achilles immortal, by dipping him in the River Styx (the river that runs through the underworld), while holding him by his heel. The one part of his body left untouched by the waters becomes his only point of weakness.
He was shot through what we now call the Achilles tendon, with a poisoned arrow. That's the rest of the story
Kinda lame, all those mythologies from mediterranean.
@@PROVOCATEURSK Yeah...So lame that we still use the term "Achilles tendon" in anatomy books... Get a life, you weirdo!
@@PROVOCATEURSK Kinda cool how it's still talked about and remembered, and being able to see in how humans thought and were like back then though.
@@PROVOCATEURSK i bet you complain about air after you breath it
When Odysseus says "Women have a way of complicating things," he's not just referring to Achilles newfound love with Briseis. He's also referring to his own wife, Queen Penelope. Just a few days before Agamemnon's messengers arrived to Ithaca, Penelope gave birth to her and Odysseus's son, Telemachus. So Odysseus had to leave for Troy knowing he would never get to watch his son grow up.
How did you include the cross-reference?
In truth Agamemnon was killed by his own wife, Clytemnestra. Paris was shot by an archer. And Menelaus lived and took Helen back home to Sparta.
So everyone wins. A happy ending.
@@Hater20X Except all that died in the process
and Clytemnestra was Killed by Agamemnon's son, Orestes
Eric Bana is a wildly underrated actor. I even liked the first Hulk movie because of him despite all of its flaws.
Maybe, but please stop saying “underrated” I’m so sick of that word. It’s a word that’s thrown around way too much these days
Agreed on all points, including his portrayal of Bruce Banner.
Bro if you haven’t already watch chopper
@@charleshartley9597 do you think that it was a coincidence that the character was named Bruce Banner after we already have Bruce Wayne for Batman??
@@MogMonster87 or Munich
You should watch Gladiator or Kingdom of heaven next, they are both really good movies! Also you'll find old ruins and castles all over Europe 😄
She saw gladiator already a few days ago but yeah 100% kingdom of Heaven
@@draymondscreen7313Kingdom of Heaven Director’s Cut
Kingdom of Heaven is a masterpiece with excellent music score 👍
Achilles' name has lived forever even as part of human anatomy. So you can't argue he was wrong.
It's always so interesting to watch people who know nothing about the myth react to this movie.
From Homer's "The Illiad", Achilles loved Briseis more due to the fact that she was a gift from his men to him and he deeply loved and respected his men.
Not to mention the fact that he and his men murdered her father and all her brothers. Nothing says love like that.
Achilles also never entered the Troy. Paris killed him way before the Horse was made. And ofcourse Agamemnon never died in Troy, there is a whole new story about him returning home and killed by his wife and her lover
@@Pro13Sab Yes. I've mentioned that during another comment on this post.
If you have read the Iliad, how is this your comment out of all the things to clarify? I’m thinking you haven’t actually read it?
@@RootinrPootine You would be thinking wrong. I've definitely read "The Iliad", shortly after "Troy" was released. Troy being the first movie I went to see at the cinema after my return from deployment to Iraq, or are you going to question THAT as well? ~ "The Iliad" is a MASSIVE tome and took forever to get through and there were just too many points to hit upon to monopolize this comment section, but I'll hit upon a few others. ~ There were actually TWO "Ajax" characters. The large one in the film, who was NOT killed by Hector. He committed suicide after having gone mad and killing some livestock he thought were Trojan soldiers. The smaller Ajax was his good friend. Achilles had FIFTY (50) SHIPS of FIFTY (50) MEN each, NOT just one. Hector and Paris had a half sister who always had visions and was considered mad. She foretold of the evil that Helen would bring upon Troy. There was an omission of Troy's allies in the war, unfortunately, I can only recall the Amazons. In fact, Achilles had grieved over their fallen queen/general, whom he had killed in battle, himself. Leading a high ranking Greek to mock him and suggest they would've gotten married. Achilles killed him on the spot. The "gods" played a larger role and faced off against each other over it. After killing Achilles, Paris was killed by a half mad Greek archer who was retrieved from exile on an island to deal with him. ~ Satisfied. Or do you want more?
The actor who played King Priam of Troy was Peter O'Toole. To see O'Toole as a much younger actor, think about reacting to "Lawrence of Arabia", first because it is one of the greatest movies ever made, secondly because the cinematography is stunning and third to see Mr. O'Toole at his height of acting prowess. You won't regret it.
I saw this in the theater, and when leaving, I heard a couple of people say what a great movie this was. It's very well done. Gladiator next? YES. You'll love that one.
Per Virgil, Aeneas was the ancestors of those who would become the Romans. So Paris giving the Sword of Troy to Aeneas does have a lot of meaning. This movie doesn't perfectly tell the old stories of the Iliad, the Odyssey, and the Aeneid, but it comes close. And it's a hell of show, with lots of vibrant characters!
Well, it does not come close at all...Not Agamemnon, neither Menelaus, nor Ajax were killed in Troy...Andromache, Hector's wife, did not escape free...She was taken by the Greeks as a slave together with Ekavi, King Priamus wife. Helen did not escape with Paris...She returned to Menelaus...And Paris, as you can assume, died during the war. A Greek by the name Philoctetes killed him...
The scene with Aeneas is so weird. He looks all excited and happy for the sword given to him and in the meantime his city is burning, his people diying.
@@karst1559 In the original text, Aeneas indeed escaped free...But only because Greek soldiers spared him when they saw him carrying his disabled father.
@@demetriskatsianis2396 According to Vergil Aeneas founded Lavinium in Latium and his descendant Romulus founded Rome. From the perspective of a spectator it is understandable the excitement in seeing him taking the sword of Troy. But Aeneas himself should be everything but happy or excited: he's fleeing while his home is being destroyed.
Anyways there are other protagonists who are completely forgotten here, like Antenor and Diomedes. They too survived the war and had some adventures elsewhere.
@@karst1559 To make it more weird, think about this. Paris gives him the sword because he is not sure that he will make it alive because he had to go back and kill Achilles. But later we see Paris get away with the fugitives so he must have taken the sword back and carry it as the last remained Prince of Troy (all that according to the movie, because in Iliad Paris died way before)
Odysseus is more important than you'd think. This was only half of the entire Saga, this marks the begining of his arc....it's his story, His "Odyssey".
It's only 1/3rd of it. There's the lost epic Telegony that's about the son of Odysseus.
Love how this was written in a way that had you believing how the legend of Achilles' Heel came about and explained how Achilles was not a demi-god, but just an exceptionally well trained and disciplined warrior. Oh, and Hector and Paris were only half brothers in the novel as King Priam liked to play around and had A LOT of out of wedlock children. Only Hector was born from his wife.
It didnt even outright say that he wasnt. The scene with his mother proposed one option, and his death scene proposed the other option, and both options were plausible by the movie logic.
@@pavelslama5543 EXACTLY. And, I believe, Paris targeted his heel first because he observed how Achilles attacked his brother with pouncing moves. He had to remove the threat of his agility and cause him suffering at the same time. Of course, in The Iliad, (spoiler alert for those that aren't aware) neither Achilles nor Paris survived long enough to even see the Trojan Horse, let alone take part in the sacking of Troy battle. Hector's son, between 5 and 10 years old, was captured and thrown from the top of the city wall. Agamemnon survived to return to Mycenae where his wife's lovers ambushed him in his bath at her orders, because he sacrificed their daughter for fair winds to sail across the Aegean Sea to attack Troy. Achilles actually had FIFTY (50) ships of fifty men. ALL of the main women were captured and Menelaus forgave Helen where the rest were made into slaves. (Whew!) Did I miss anything? 🤷🏻♂️🤣
As someone who has traveled to Greece and several islands, it is all gorgeous, and that water is so blue
Pampered weak son who's never been in a battle, doesn't lift, can't fight has challenged a middle aged, battle hardened Spartan King that was training to Kill since childhood?
"Here's the sacred family sword." 🤔
Thank you. I'm glad someone else caught this. I thought that was funny the first time I saw this movie.
Since his dad believed so much in the "Gods". Maybe he believed the sword was really sacred and powerful and would help his weak son.
@@aaronburdon221 How about a Spartan king throwing his shield to the ground in front of his army. "With your shield or on it" right?
@@aaronburdon221 i laugh with Agamemnon xD !
Orlando bloom goes from the most badass archer in Legolas to the biggest coward archer ever.
Aeneas, the one who received the Sword of Troy, after a long journey, settled on the shores of central Italy and founded Rome. Romans a few centuries later conquered Greece. In a way the Trojans had their revenge.
theres no relation between trojans and romans. Trojans were Anatolians, so they are related to other Anatolian people like Hittites.
@@Valkyraw Romans are Trojans mixed with Etruscans and Sabines 🗿
Well. that is according to roman mythology. Because it was no glory in having ancestors who killed their brothers and stole wifes from the etruscans when Rome was a den of thieves. Better to calls Troyans your ancestors.
@@slimbombur7922 Ancestors that killed their brothers? Yuo mean Romulus and Remus that are legendarily descendants of Aeneas the Trojan? Also it was the Sabine women the Romans abducted, not Etruscan, and those women actually stopped their brothers and fathers from killing Romans in retaliation which united the two tribes.
@@Meko-Teko no, Aeneas founded Lavinium in Latium region (his wife's name was Lavinia, King of the tribe of Latini's daughter) and his son Iullus founded Alba Longa. His descendants, the twins Romulus and Remus founded Rome centuries later.
"Didn't the Greeks really slaughter like this?"
The shorter list would be those who didn't do this. The longer a war or even a siege goes, the worse it is for the losing side at the end. This one lasted twenty years.
Yea, most sieges lasted 6 months to a year or so just to make it look good for their own ruler. If the city didn't put up enough resistance, their own ruler would punish them.
Who didn't do this at that time and even in more modern times of war? War is ugly, unfair and cruel. All humans have done this, in all the wars regardless of where they come from etc.
@@Fyrapan90if it's so ugly stop defending it
www.youtube.com/@ColetteCherry Actually, there is more to why the Greeks gave no quarter to Troy. Showing no mercy is the consequence of Troy not living up to the pact when Greece won in single combat (which was supposed to avoid more people from fighting and dying).
Eight years I believe but Odysseus took another decade to return home.
55:25 Yeah, and the movie is still severely toned down in the brutality. Because according to the original story by Homér, even the fate of Hector´s wife was according to what Hector only voiced as a possibility in the movie - she was r*ped, and forcefully married off, and their son was thrown off the city walls.
Nice fact: In the myths Eneas is one of the founders of Rome, years later Rome will conquer Greece so we can say that at the end Troy was avenged
Yeah but Alexander conquered everything leading up to India before that.
@@georgeprchal3924That had nothing to do with Roman and Greek.
However, Alexander the Great defeated the Persian empire, which Parisian damaged Greek life and lands. This was revenge for the Greeks.
100% agreed on Hector. Possibly my favorite character ever. The only way I don’t tear up when Hector leaves is by him thinking, “look what the heck you did Helen. Look wtf you did. I’ll just go DIE now.”
If that’s true, why haven’t you read the Iliad? What does “favorite” actually mean to you?
@@RootinrPootine I honestly don't get how people have never read it. It's required reading material in primary school for gods sake...
Sean Bean played Odysseus (AKA Ulises). The Odyssey is one of two major ancient Greek epic poems attributed to Homer. It is one of the oldest extant works of literature still widely read by modern audiences. As with the Iliad (that we see here), the poem is divided into 24 books. It follows the Greek hero Odysseus, king of Ithaca, and his journey home after this Trojan War. There´s a good classic movie about the Odyssey and Ulises, played by Kirk Douglas.
I believe Homer may have got the idea for the Odyssey from O Brother Where Art Thou
I Prefer Armand Assante version
Hector is not a coward. He is a brave, honest men who accepts the consequences of his actions. He is a proud solldier and prince of troy. He basically has no choice if he wants to keep the respect and honor he worked so hard for
In the story. He was scared. He ran away from Achilles.
Also, one other thing to commend Hector. In his fight with Achilles he never brands a weapon that hasnt been used in battle until he disarms Achilles of the one he is currently using. He honors even his enemy while fighting them as well.
In ancient times a siege would often end with a massacre like this. They were extremely drawn out affairs that could last months or even years, and at the end you have a bunch of young, poorly educated men who finally have a chance to vent months of frustration.
37:22 Hector had two options. Either half-ass the attack in order to follow his preferred strategy of dividing the Greeks, or follow the orders from his dad. And sadly, he chose the honorable and dutiful option to follow his father´s orders, which ultimately doomed them all.
Commander in Chief Biden
When the Greeks ran through the gate, they started in Mexico and ended in Malta in that overhead shot.
Hector is healthy masculinity. A great father, son, husband, brother and citizen that died fighting to protect his people in a war he tried to prevent.
Haven’t read the Iliad huh?
@@RootinrPootine I meant in the movie. lol. I didn’t know if anyone would call me out on that. I considered qualifying. In the Iliad he’s a duck too, but he’s better than Paris (who isn’t though?).
@@CatotheE so you’ve read it?
@@RootinrPootine Yes. In college.
@@CatotheE not since? When was that, 1922? you know I don’t know how old you are right?
YES! Paris of Troy is one of the most despicable characters in all of Greek mythology, in all mythology, in all of human stories.
I love it when reactors don't know the history in historical epics or the legends movies are based on it's always hilarious when they find out 😂
44:30 you have to understand that the concept of honour was what moved most things during those times. Hector is a honourable man, a virtuous man who knows Achilles is there because he killed his cousin. He knows he’s at fault for that, and he owns his faults, facing the consequences of his actions head on. Achilles has the right to avenge his cousin, and Hector respects that
“The Last Samurai” starring Tom Cruise is a must-watch after this… similar genre of movie with themes of honor, love, and the way of the warrior
I know the sacking of troy is hard to watch, but it brilliantly shows the brutality of ancient warfare, which really was something else. Entire populations of cities were put to the sword and its not an anomaly, every army behaved like this. For me these scenes give me perspective how good my life is like nothing else.
One of the main differences between this film and the original story is that the film has Helen going with Paris willingly, but in the original story, it was very much him KIDNAPPING her. Helen and Menelaus actually had a really good relationship, and she wanted to remain loyal to him, but Paris got some help from Aphrodite to abduct her because she had promised him he’d have Helen as his wife as a reward for choosing her as the most beautiful goddess between her, Hera, and Athena.
Yeah in all adaptations they always put Menelaus in a very bad position. He was as good fighter as Hector, he protected patroclus body, he was cheated in the duel with Paris (when Paris was saved by Aphrodite and someone arrowed Menelaus), he forgived Helen, Menelaus was not drunkard when she was taken, he was at his grandparents funeral in Crete.
@@velzaresp8623 Not all of them. There is one film adaptation where Menelaus is much closer to how he is in the Iliad. That film is “Helen Of Troy”, starring Sienna Gillory as Helen and Rufus Sewell as Agamemnon.
@@kevinnorwood8782 Ahh I think I saw that on tv. It was a 2 part show, I think I only saw the first part and missed the other back then.
And the other difference is that Greeks didn’t look like Anglo-Saxons
If you have read the Iliad, how is this your comment out of all the things to clarify? I’m thinking you haven’t actually read it?
what I love about the fight between achilles v hektor. Is achilles does all the moves we've seen him do before. There's tests and exchanges you prod and poke see how your opponent reacts. The shield banging, the spear move that he did with his sword. the shield defense in front attacking with the spear. Also he's rage driven but he's in control, he's focused he's not succumbing to anger which would have cost him his life. And his style is appears over the top but its base is to counter, he baits you with looking exposed and tries to catch and punish when you go for it.
There are actually a few spear masters on TH-cam who have critiqued this fight and said it was a decent enactment one what a 1 on 1 spear fight would look like (with the exception of a shattering of a turned and re-inforced spear).
Near the end, when you asked, did the Greeks really do this the answer is yes as did every country back in the day if you read about history or epics and they say "the city was razed/sacked" this is is what they mean.
57:00 - so this is actually more important than you realize Aeneas is the main carictar of the epic poem the Aeneid which attepts to Tie Rome to Troy through the Aeneas.
Millions of people have been dying and suffering from wars from ancient times to the present. Wars continue. Almost all people are good people. And they don't deserve to die, any more than Hector did. But they are dying. It is sad.
Have you read the Iliad, the book this is based on?
Achilles never entered Troy. He died before the Trojan horse. And he already had a son back in Greece.
Actually his son was apart of the end of the Trojan war and kills king priam his name is Neoptolemus or Pyrrhus. Achilles had 2 sons.
@@cailanmurray4430 True. Also Philoctetes plays a major role. He had the bow and the arrows of Hercules and he is the one who kills Paris.
Actually Achilles is not a real person and just folk lore 🤓
@@HaloDude557They found Troy. However, archeologists cannot dig more because of Turkish government restrictions. If the Turkish government allowed them to, they would find the tombs of warriors like Achilles.
This story as it is presented here does a very good job of giving us TWO protagonists to cheer for whom unfortunately cross paths under these circumstances. Compelling. Growing up in the 60's with many 'sword and sandal' movies had me very pleased that besides the Lord of the Rings, we got TROY, 300, and Gladiator.
Reasons why I love Greek Mythology; it is our ancient comic books. Period
Jason and the Argonauts was the equivalent of The Avengers in those days, the ultimate crossover story featuring every famous name and character of the age.
Hector is a man of honor and morale. He will assume by himself his mistake.
in fairness, the kid that Paris gives his sword to - Aeneas - is the ancestor of Romulus and Remus who are the founders of Rome
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die.
Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles." - Odysseus
I really wish they remake this movie and put all the supernatural elements in it that they cut from the original story.
There’s a limited series on Netflix that stays closer to the mythology. They still add in the extra parts not seen in the Iliad but keep true in most part to the Greek and Roman interpretations, gods and all. Don’t get your hopes up tho bc it’s not very well done😂
Hector only technically doesn't have to go and fight Achilles. This is the consequence of what he did regardles of what he knew (typical for a greek themed tragedy). He cannot escape acountability if he wants to remain a man.
As kids we loved Achilles but as adults we all were with Hector
Is it really so hard to read
Fun fact: Aeneas the guy who got the sword from Paris would lead his people to settle in a new place! The place eventually became the City that we all know as Rome!
I love this movie, I've watched it so many times over the past 17+ years and I've watched like 20 different TH-camrs react to it, usually being the first video that helps me discover their channel.. just like this one lol.
Are you ever gonna read the book?
@@RootinrPootine Probably not, if there's something you wanna tell me about it feel free, don't worry about spoilers.
It is to be noted that in the Odyssey, Agamemnon survives. He's killed by his wife and her lover, back in Mycenae.
Odysseus is punished by Poseidon for destroying the city that was under is protection, and remains lost at sea for 10 years before going back to Ithaca.
there was a mini surge of sword and sandal flicks around that time, they were fun.
What ever has to do with Ancient Greece has to be an epic movie 🎬
Troy is a fantastic film. The scale and grandeur really comes through.
How would you know? you haven’t read the Iliad. That’s the book this is based on. It was so good it was the equivalent of the Bible for Greeks 2500 years ago. But never mind, just watch da movies
That's something I feel is lacking from many modern movies... that sense of weight and scope. The early 00s were a good time for that with movies like Troy, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven and the LotR trilogy.
Nowadays they have the ability to bring spectacular things to life with even better effects but it always seems weightless and trivial. The irreverent Marvel-style humor that has poisoned everything doesn't help either.
Agamemnon loved Menalaus. He went to troy for his own reasons but the death of his brother broke his heart
In the movie Achilles just wanted to fight for king who was honorable. Who fought with his men..aka like King Arthur. Achilles portrayal was that of a soldier who is tired of fighting battles for egos and greedy kings. And Achilles was right..soliders win battles. Also, Hector had a strategic military mind..he was right and problem was King believed in Gods would come in where Hector believed in what manpower and strategic ways to win battles. I loved your take Collette...about everything. Achilles was more respected because he had a code and fought WITH his men. AKA once again why King Arthur story is a legend. An honorable leader.
Lots of kings have fought with their men, Agamemnon included in the Iliad, hell he and Achilles were friends and similar in age.
@@georgeprchal3924 LOL you miss the point entirely when I say fight. I mean a man of purpose. Warlords are a dime a dozen throughout history. Fighting amongst you men and having purpose are two different things and using your men for selfish purposes is easy. Caring, leading, and having honor say like Leonidas are different. That is point I was making. So yes you are right their have been kings that fought beside their men, but having a truly good leader no those were rare. If it was common place or easy path everyone would do it.
@@shawnkroll3950 the Greeks did have purpose though: reunite Helen with Menelaus. In the Iliad Menelaus won the right to marry Helen and Achilles, Odysseus, Agamemnon, Diomedes, Ajax etc were honor bound to defend their marriage which happened when Paris abducted her.
@@georgeprchal3924 True. But to me "won" the right to marry is more like property. Not really a choice, but back that is way things were done. It really was about one man wanting what he deemed his "property" back. Honor bound to defend their marriage is just a way to use honor to claim his property. Not true honor. But beyond that movie takes liberties with history. But Agamemnon really in this movie had people fight his battles for him and truthfully a lot of warlords in history were like this. I think they did this more as premise for movie that Achilles craved a true good leader..as he makes comment to Troy's king..you are a far better king than the one who leads this army. I agree with you point but for movie aspects..they really made Agamemnon and his army look like villains and from a certain point of view they kind are.
@@shawnkroll3950 Helen and Menelaus' children would disagree seeing as they did not take kindly to their mother being kidnapped and even Helen herself thought Paris weak and prayed her husband killed him.
An other moral is that even though war is stupid, the heroes fighting them become immortal, that’s why we remember them 3000 years later.
If it’s any consolation, the Trojans get their posthumous revenge - Aeneas is the ancestor of the greatest conquerors in antiquity - The ROMANS!
The Greeks had been conquered and desemated long before the Romans went there. It would be like if China kicked the shit out the USA and left it a shell of its former glory. Then the British came in and kicked the usa when it was down and not really the USA anymore claiming revenge for American Revolution.
Aeneas took the sword of Troy and founded another city to the West. Rome...
After watching your Braveheart reaction with Gibson I'm sure you're gonna be feral by your words with Pitt in Troy
ofc the bad version of the movie, with the soundtrack that doesnt fit the action. The cinema version is a lot better
Agamemnon was pretty much as close to omnipotence any man could reach at the time. He had power. He was hungry for opportunities to flex that power.
Why can’t you just read the book. I swear it’s famous for a reason.
@@RootinrPootine I'm talking about a historical figure.. not a book. why are you so narcissistic? It's looked down upon for a reason.
@@landonboyd3001 you’re in the comments section for a movie based on a book. Someone tells you to read the book rather than just say irrelevant generalities. And your response is to get super butthurt and call them narcissistic? lol get a grip
@RootinrPootine I'm telling you I'm not talking about his character in troy.. I'm talking about the actual real historical Agamemnon, so you're response is irrelevant to my comment.. not but hurt, I'm just not going to respond kindly to someone replying to my comment in a haughty degrading way. you have to have lost the plot if you think people should be nice to you when you come at them in such a rude manner.
@@landonboyd3001 for gods sake please listen to yourself. This is what the people call COPE. You don’t respond to a call out by validating all of my criticisms as if that makes you look cool and rational. Jesus. “Ahh actually, I was talking about history from Wikipedia in a yt movie reaction comment section, you idiot!” WOW you really got me there, that wasn’t exactly what I was making fun of. lol. Have you read the Iliad? Yes or no?????
I loved your empathic reaction and desire to find a moral takeaway from the movie. One of my favorite historically based movies❤
I had never seen the non censored version I guess cause those baby throwing scenes I was like WTF lol
That scene will haunt me for a LONG TIME
@ColetteCherry at first I was thinking "what is she talking about I don't remember seeing them throw any babies" then it happened and I said holy sh*t lol I had seen this movie like 4 or 5 times too
I actually went and read the Iliad a few months ago, and it's a WILD book to read. Ajax (dude with the warhammer, played by Tyler Mane, who by himself stands 6'9'') was said to be second ONLY to Achilles himself out of all the Greek soldiers. Also, the Thessalonian King is played by another actor you've already seen. His name is Julian Glover, making an appearance in Episode V of Star Wars, "The Empire Strikes Back", along with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
51.56 ...actually Odysseus was the wisest guy in whole story :) Here we seen only the first part Iliad , the second part Odyssey deserves a movie too :)
Another fun fact, its an actual movie where Sean Bean doesn't die. Its a gem.
Great movie but of course classic Hollywood movie...in the true story Menelaus lives and takes Hellen back to Sparta, Paris is also dying when Greeks enter Troy and Agamemnon also lives and is killed by his wife when he returns in Greece!
And king Priam is killed by Achilles son not by Agamemnon
Hector was a man of honour and principal
its funny how she is in the beginning like:
Oh yeah Girl, cheat on your Husband because he is an asshole. Yes, i totally support that. OMG QUEEEEEEEN.
Hector dies:
Why is this happening, OMG I dont support this.
Women....
In the name of love 😍😍🤣
Your knowledge of History, especially during that time is shocking. All armies did that to their enemies.. If you couldn't handle any of those scenes particular scenes, then the HBO series Rome is not for you
I met a young Greek bartender in Memphis (Tennessee not Egypt) once who told me that King Menelaus was a REAL person and he saw his mummy. Said that he was a very small man, as in the "Helen Of Troy" movie, that did a better job of casting (other than the character of Achilles).
Yes, Agamemnon is also considered to be a real historical king. Troy was also a historical city. In fact, the myth of Troy was very likely created as a distant memory of a real huge war, and not as a fantasy story. The fact that people had no way how to write it down immediately left the space for numerous retellings, which lead to the appearance of many mystical beings and forces, but the basis underneath it was indeed real.
@@pavelslama5543 There are two rumors surrounding Homer's tome, "The Iliad". One, that the blind scholar wrote it 600 years AFTER the supposed event. Two, scholars have debated if the tome was a compilation of SEVERAL scholars over centuries.
@@danielhaynes2373it's more than likely the latter. Since we do know the Illiad was around for generations being passed down verbally before someone wrote it down. The version written down is very diffrent from the original I sposue if you've ever played the game telephone you'll know how easy it is for one story to change to another when passed verbally from person to person.
@@Hater20X I believe you may be right.
44:25
Hector is a good man. That's mostly why he fought Achilles. 52:25 similar
Hector doesn't have the same motivation as Achilles. That's why I believe he subtly knew he wouldn't survive the fight.
Thank you for making awesome content!
Edit, Brad Pitt and Eric Bana did not use stunt doubles for their epic duel. They made a gentleman's agreement to pay for every accidental hit. $50 for each light hit, $100 for each hard blow. Pitt ended up paying Bana $750. Bana didn't owe Pitt anythin.
In Ancient Greece, honor is primordial in a citizen's life. And dying on the battlefield is the greatest honor of all. That's why Hector, being the honorable man that he is, agrees to Achilles' challenge. He has no choice. It would shame his father's name and his country not to do so.
Slaughter like this was normal for much of history.
America slaughters over a million babies a year
55:59 1 of my favorite quotes in a movie is actually one Brad Pitt says, " Ideals are peaceful... History is violent." It's from the movie, "Fury." War throughout all generations was brutal AF
Boys want to be Achilles… Men want to be Hector
I saw this epic drama movie the same year as my senior year of High School.
If you want to watch the sequel to this it's an adaptation called "O, Brother Where Art Thou?".
George Clooney plays Odysseus as "Ulysses Everett" trying to get home to Greece after the war.
Great movie too!
Excellent movie!!!
The movie actually screwed up the original story. Achilles was said to be invincible - with only spot on his body vulnerable to injury - his heel - where he was held by his mother as she dipped him in the river Styx. Paris lets loose one arrow at Achilles, striking him in the heel - causing his death.
Another great reaction. Love the insites. If you haven't already seen it then Thr Usual Suspects is an amazing film to watch. Great story telling and brilliantly written and directed
I love that Colette is so torn between "that's so brutal and terrible" one minute, then "that's so hot" the next.
Her emotional turmoil about sums up the situtation. Great reaction Colette. That you've made it through this and your other recent viewings shows how far you've come!
Hi Colette listen, as Italians the Trojan War is a bit our daily bread, Achilles challenges Hector in a one-on-one duel to avenge Patroclus, And Hector has to accept by force, ancient history is full of these moments, furthermore in Original Myth Achilles and Hector challenge each other because they know well that whoever wins between them 2 wins the war!
Well, as a Greek I have to say that in the original Homer's poem, there is no mutual challenge...It is only Achilles who keeps on challenging Hector and Hector keeps avoiding the duel, because he knows he is no match for Achilles. There is a part in which Achilles is chasing Hector around the walls of Troy...
@@demetriskatsianis2396 Yes, I already knew it, but in the end Ettore accepts! I remember that there is a Deity in one version that convinces him! In a version I read I remember that it's there! Look, I know mythology and not just Greek mythology!
@@demetriskatsianis2396 I tried to explain it to him because from what I understood in the USA not everyone knows the ancient legends! Let's leave aside the part that Hephaestus forges new weapons and armor for the occasion before the battle!
@@demetriskatsianis2396 There is no mutual challenge but in the end Ettore Accepts! In the end he has to accept! However, it is an unequal challenge! There is no mutual challenge as you say but in the end Ettore Accepts! In the end he has to accept! However, it is an unequal challenge!
@@pierluigiguerriero8977 Yes, about the Deities...even I cannot recollect who helps whom...I think Athena (Minerva for Latins) is with the side of the Greeks, Apollo is with the Trojans, Artemis (Diane)...I do not remember!!!
A lot of people citing the Iliad for their critiques here seem to have no idea what actually takes place in the prose, which amounts to very little of the overall mythology. The fate of Paris, Helen, Achilles, or many of the other kings is never mentioned in the Iliad as it ends with Hector’s funeral.
Actually both classics are poems of sublime quality but
for Americans they are like a
Xena episode. Europe Is now
catching up, instead of deeply studying and discussing both
epics for 3 years like boomers
did they read a condensed
version so the whole World
can be ignorant and enjoy this
crappy Hollywood trash.
@@ruggerobelloni4743 I hate the condensed versions that are served up in most educational settings. They often bleed in Roman additions and are very apt to missing the point of the prose. The Robert Fagles translation has always been a favorite of mine that I reread at least once every couple of years. That being said I actually adore the movie Troy ever since I first saw it. It simply tells the tale as more of a war story between complex men as opposed to a myth of the affect that gods have on men and their ambitions. Both have their place and I think it would be likely impossible to present an accurate depiction of the prose on film without it being surreal to the point of disconnection.
55:30 "I hate history and the reality of war" is all I heard, lol.
Is that supposed to be a bad thing or what
I love the fact that you started with the director's cut, it's the definitive version. As for the sacking of the city at the end, this is the only historically accurate depiction of a city being sacked that I'm aware of on film. It wasn't just the Greeks, everyone in that era sacked cities in that manner: kill fighting age men, seize women and maybe adolescents as slaves, and kill all children or invalids from the defeated people. This was the standard behavior of every human group until very recent history. The Assyrians were from that same period and were actually much more cruel than anything depicted here, even by the standards of the bronze age they were bad. Anyway, great reaction looking forward to more!
Hellenes (Greeks) have such an strong relation with Glory and Honor from ancient times through moder ones in the Battle of thermopyles around 1100 greeks (300 Spartiates and 700 thesproteis + some ilotes) fought an unwinnable fight just so they could hold the enemy long enough for their brothers to consolidate their forces. In 1453 the Marble king Konstantinos Palaiologos when the hundreds of thousands Turks broke into the City was offered to be transported to safety via a ship and he answered No Emperor should outlive his empire and went to fight one last time. In the revolution of 1821 one of the greatest revolutionary commanders Athanasios Diakos was captured by the ottomans and because he was such a great commander he was offered a position in the Officer corps of the ottoman army if he became Muslim and a turk he answered I was born a greek I will di a greek the ottomans impaled him and roasted him alive never once he changed his mind or begged form mercy. This last one is a story I heard from a cretan about his father in the war against the Germans 1941 you can choose to believe it or not there is no documentation about it but from how the old man spoke to me I believe every word and comma he said . He asked me who do you consider a hero I told him this is a very deep subject and he cut me I will tell you who is a hero MY FATHER is a hero because when the Germans stood him to the village square to execute him for his revolutionary actions he Shouted to my mother: Woman take away the child I don't want him to watch. Both me and the old man were sobing when he finished