Troy (2004) Wife’s First Time Watching! Movie Reaction!
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The very large warrior that Hector fights is named Ajax, which is probably most familiar as the name of a cleaning product these days. In the old commercials for Ajax cleaner, its tagline was "stronger than grease!" which was a pun referring to the Iliad, in which the warrior Ajax was said to be "stronger than all of Greece".
Also, just for context, The Trojan War was circa 1300 BCE, so three thousand years ago rather than seven hundred and lasted over ten years. Achilles mother, Thetis, was a Nereid (or sea nymph), she had dipped her infant son in the River Styx to grant him invulnerability, but because she had held him by his heels they were the only weak points on his body.
the greeks knew how to write good stories thats for sure
She could have double dipped him, holding the other leg the second time
Probably should have just dipped her hands in too. Get super hands
I would say the name is best known today for the Dutch football team, Ajax.
I swear I seen this exact post on another channel.
The craziest thing about this whole movie is that Sean Bean is still alive at the end of it
I mean, casting him as Odysseus was plot armor guarantee.
@@hellowhat890 Somehow I still thought they was going to kill him 😂😂😂😂
@@hellowhat890 It's a real shame we never got a Sean Bean Odyssey. That would have been fantastic.
Not that crazy. His "dies in every movie" claim is false. He lives in more movies than dies
Thousands of people die in order to provide the required soulmatter to keep him alive to the end of this movie. Nothing comes without cost....
Hector vs Achilles is still one of my favorite cinematic duels. The choreography and percussive soundtrack was amazing.
That and Wesley vs. Inigo Montoya in "The Princess Bride" are the two I always think of when someone mentions a great cinematic fight.
This really is. I also like Batman vs. Bane.
His coward brother should have had archers ready . With his family ready to escape in a secret passage .
The scene with Priam and Achilles is everything
They really should have given O'Toole a Best Supporting Actor Oscar for his performance in Troy .... he was like nominated 8 Times!
@@jamesalexander5623why ?
@@lexkanyima2195 the scene is really close to the original text, and he has the gravitas to pull off keeping his dignity while begging on his knees. It is a good scene/performance.
The man that Paris hands the Sword of Troy to is named Aeneas. Aeneas has his own story in Virgil’s Aeneid. He has a long journey but later goes on to establish the city of Rome. This was the way that Roman citizen Virgil is saying that Rome and its people are descended from greatness since Troy and its people were considered so noble.
The historical irony is that Rome eventually conquered Greece.
Although you have to keep in mind that the historical truth in the tale is highly debatable. It is typical of past empires/dynasties to claim some ancient and venerable ancestry to justify their own rule. In past millenia victorious blood in your bloodline was the main justification for kingship next to it being ordained by the gods. And the fact that a competitor to Ancient Greece chose Troy as a suitable origin may not at all be coincidental.
@@BirdBrain0815Oh absolutely. I mean, the legend is that Romulus and Remus were born of a wolf and they were the ones that founded Rome.
Let’s be honest. Virgil probably wrote the Aeneid, not in some small part, to make some link between the greatness that he believed was Rome and the historical legend that is Troy.
@@NijimaSan It wasn't that a wolf gave birth to Romulus and Remus. They were orphaned as toddlers and suckled by a she wolf. Possibly a link to Kipling's Mowgli?
You got one part wrong, it wasn't Aeneas or any of the Troyan refugee's that founded Rome, they instead settled in the city of Alba Longa near the Tiber, it wouldn't be until a while later that the direct descendant's of Aeneas would ousted from rule by the Local Alba Longans, with only the babes Romulus and Remus surviving by being sent down the Tiber in a basket, later being found by the she-wolf as she drank from the river and raised them as her cubs.
I use Agamemnon's "The man wants to die" line on a daily basis for all types of reasons 😂😂😂 love this movie.
haha. I use about 100 different movie quotes, many from this movie, in my daily life. Glad i'm not the only one lol
After this came out for several years my boss always quoted Ajax, "Row you lazy wh#@%$, Greeks are dying!!!!"
I like it as well and the way he pronounces it is so cool.
Fun fact even Orlando bloom hated Paris lol so yall aren't alone 😂
Kudos to Bloom for accepting the role! He was building a career playing the hero, so to play an abject coward was a pretty brave move
@@Daveyboy100880 It's also why he jumped at the opportunity to play Balian of Ibelin in Ridley Scott's Kingdom Of Heaven. He was very enthusiastic about playing a character that was Paris's exact opposite in terms of character and personality.
@@kevinnorwood8782 Paris was a perfect role for him tbh, unlike Balian.
Well what do you know? A movie that Sean Bean's character lives through.
Albeit he is gonna get lost for 10 years on the way home (Homer's The Oddesy)
His fate was worse than death. 😅😂
I'm still hoping for that Sean Bean Odyssey movie the same way I'm waiting for the Dredd 2012 sequel.
There is a good 1954 Film "Ulysses" staring Kirk Douglas about the journey home to his Wife! It follows the Odyssey pretty closley. It even has the Monsters and it's in Technicolor!
For Sean Bean's character to survive many others needed to die.
@@Shadi092986I've thought this since the 1st time I saw this when it came out. An Achilles origin story would have been great too.
Troy is highly entertaining. Considering how underwhelming it was generally received by critics I think it's a very underrated film.
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Over the last decade, it's begun to get the recognition it deserves. I think too many people got caught up in the moments of wooden dialogue and the many changes with the adaptation from the original source. However, with these types of films all but extinct from today's Hollywood, people are clamoring more for a return to epic, summer, popcorn blockbuster films like Troy.
this was marketed as the spiritual successor to Gladiator, I still remember being extremely disappointed seeing this in the theater, to the point I had really no interest in watching it ever again. I remember thinking it was slow and boring. Maybe I'll give it a rewatch but I'm still reluctant.
@@Volkfire Actually I find them far more reliable more often than I find the average movie-goer to be. I don't really keep up with critics like I used to though, they've become much too influenced by wokeness & all that crap too now.
I have the same feeling about Alexander. People just shit on it.
Achilles didn't hate all kings. He was good friends with Odysseus (Sean Bean), who's king of Ithaca. Granted, Odysseus isn't some snobby asshole king like Agammemnon. Also, Achilles didn't actually know Priam until that night after he killed Hector, so Priam impressed him by going against his expectations of what Agammemnon's adversary would be like.
RIP, Wolfgang Petersen, Director.
RIP, James Horner, composer
RIP, Peter O'Toole, Priam
RIP, John Shrapnel, Nestor.
RIP, Nigel Terry, Archepteplomus
They all royalty in their craft! God bless them!
Nigel Terry still stars in the best version of the King Arthur story. Excalibur is BEYOND exceptional.
Man do I miss early 2000s cinema, when hollywood was putting out so many great big budget mythical and historical epics. Gladiator, Troy, Gangs of New York, Apocalypto, Hero, Kingdom of a Heaven, Last Samurai, Master and Commander... soo good.
I just miss that whole decade in general!
A lot of fantastic movies there! But I can't miss the early 2000s. I wasn't even born until '03. I don't remember them! 😝
I always praise the 80's. Yet the 60's and 70's gave me great enjoyment and classics from before as well. When I look into the 90's and early 2K's is really amazing as well - just more recent. Then something seemed to change and it's been slim pickens (not the actor) ever since.
@@terrylandess6072 I agree, I feel it comes from a change in culture, the fascination with historyis going the way of westerns at this point. History in general is downplayed in society as being a secondary discipline and all you have do is ask any Gen Zer today about history and it will be like a deer in headlights. Occasionally you will get a great historical movie like 1917 or All Quiet on the Western Front but you they usually limited to streaming services vs Hollywood blockbusters.
@@t.h.6024 TRUE!!!
The Hector vs Achilles fight was fantastic. One of the best showdowns of all time.
I love Peter O'Toole grabbed the moment and announced that you're still my enemy now but we can show respect. For which is what Brad Pitt was looking for. Great dialogue
"Get up! Prince of Troy... get up! I won't let a stone take my glory!"
Agree with you. Under different circumstances, Hector and Achilles would definitely be best of friends.
That damn Paris. Hector by far was my favorite character.
Achilles vs. Hector is a fight.
What happened between Achilles and Boagrius was an execution, plain and simple.
in the Illiad achilles signature move is a prodigious leap with a downward thrust into the shoulder, if baggies had just read the book he might have avoided it , lol
Achilles vs Hector = Anderson Silva vs Forrest Griffin
Achilles vs Boagrius = Jorge Masvidal vs Ben Askren
Hector is the one who looks like he's heading to the gallows. Says good-bye to everyone, collects his things then the door opens and the executioner is waiting for him.
@@jimmorrish6771 If Boagie had just raised his shield he could've blocked that leaping thrust, and continued fighting the shieldless Achilles
@@t.h.6024 Boagie wasn't the brightest it seems, I blame the parents
I like the way Achilles breaks off all the arrows that killed him, leaving only the one though his 'achilles', making it look like that's the one that killed him. Hence, the origin of the saying 'achilles heel'.
Paris realized his weakness in this film. So he channeled his archery skills from the LOTR for the final battle sequences. 😉🤣
....that still only counts as one!
Apollo had more to do with that shot than Paris, according to legend.
LOTR was so big that time and still is, Orlando Bloom probably did shot the arrow at first like a regular archer, but director was like, no do it more like Legolas!
There wasn’t much he could channel from his role in Blackhawk Down.
No one trust an elf!
My god Gimli was right all along. 😅
That scene where Achilles is wrapping up heckters body and he just breaks down and says I'll see you you soon brother. That's a gut blow and the first time you see him show regret for his actions.
"Hector was like fuck that.'' lmao
"That's why nobody will remember your name" is one of the coldest lines ever spoken in a Hollywood film.
Haha yea, stupid little kid. 💪🏾
It's kind of crazy this story is still being portrayed in media despite it being thousands of years old. There's something eternal in humanity that can relate to the themes in this story despite the significant time gap from the Bronze Age to the Information Age.
Just demonstrates a lack of imagination from hollywood
The screenplay for this film was by David Benioff, the co-creator of the series 'Game of Thrones'. Besides Bean, there are a couple other Game Of Thrones actors in the film: James Cosmo (Glaucus of Troy) and Julian Glover (King Triopas). On 'Game of Thrones', Cosmo was Lord Commander Jeor Mormont and Glover was Grand Maester Pycelle.
The young man whom Paris gives the sword is Aeneus, the hero of 'The Aeneid'.
This is actually my favorite Sean Bean performance, next to his television role as Richard Sharpe in the 'Sharpe' series. Funny enough, Bean worked with Brian Cox (Agamemnon) on the series' first season.
Ajax, the huge warrior that rowed the second ship ashore, was played by Tyler Mane who played Sabertooth in the first 'X-men' film.
Helen was played by Diane Kruger, who was Bridget Von Hammersmark in 'Inglorious Basterds'.
Peter O'Toole indeed played Priam, and he made his film debut in "Lawrence of Arabia'. Some amazing O'Toole films...'The Stuntman', 'My Favorite Year', 'Becket', 'The Lion In Winter', 'Creator', 'Venus', and tons of others...
Wolfgang Peterson directed some amazing films besides this and 'Das Boot': (My personal favorites)
- Enemy Mine with Dennis Quaid and Louis Gossett, Jr.
- The Neverending Story
- Air Force One with Harrison Ford, Gary Oldman, and Glenn Close
- Outbreak with Dustin Hoffman, Donald Sutherland, Rene Russo, and Morgan Freeman
- In The Line Of Fire with Clint Eastwood, Rene Russo, and John Malkovich
BRAD PITT:
“MEET JOE BLACK “
Beautiful, Different movie and story .. Also has ANTHONY HOPKINS in it!! They both do an amazing job!!
And :
“LEGENDS OF THE FALL” is amazing too!! Brad and Anthony together again!!?
This was adapted from the epic poem "The Iliad" by the Greek poet Homer, who followed this with "The Odyssey". Other epic fantasies based on Greek mythology to watch are Clash of the Titans and Wrath of the Titans
This should be common knowledge
@@nickc127
Unfortunately, in today’s day and age it’s not.
Not Homer but the Aenied is excellent too (I kinda prefer it)
I would love a series about the whole complex of the Troy mythos, including the origins of Achilleis as son of Pleus and Thetis, and Helena, the deal Odysseus arranged for her marriage, the whole thing about getting Paris to decide which goddess is the prettiest, because the goddess of discord rolled an apple at the three of them with the inscription "for the most beautiful" and they couldn't decide on who it should be, and Aphrodite promising Helena as a reward for choosing her, which is why she later supports Troy, while Athena and Hera support the Greeks, then the story about Odysseus trying to avoid having to go to Troy acting like he was mentally unwell, creating a profecy about the wars duration by accident, Agamemmnon nearly sacrificing his daughter in order to get favourable winds for their journy to troy, but her getting snatched away by Artemis in the last second, who gets her to Crimea, the story of some half god Archer struck by leprosy someone had to go and fetch after a few years of war to get something done, Agammemnons wifes (and Orests madness after the war). So on and so forth. Of course you could go even further and then adapt the Odyssey and Aenaeis as well, Odysseus adventurous journey home, and Aenaeas journey that eventually leads to the founding of Rome, respectively
I read those in 8th grade. It was mandatory. I'm not American obviously. 😂
Ned Stark, Jeor Mormont, and Maester Pycelle in the same movie 😅 I never realized they were all in this. It's been years since I saw it last. I loved it as a teenager ❤
One of the most epic movies ever. Also I liked how they dismantled the myth, like Achilles was shot in chest multiple times, wich were lethal, but everyone saw only the arrow in the ankle - and BAM! you have a myth of Achilles' heel!
If you liked this you might like Kingdom of Heaven, but if you watch it make sure it's the Director's cut.
It's a great film and Orlando Bloom is a true Hero!
Director's cut for sure
I concur. Director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is way better than the theatrical version.
defo the directors cut
Definitely the directors cut
I love how in every video TBR presents his wife Samantha as HIS wife ❤. I find it lovely and heart warming, there is no better thing than calling someone your spouse and knowing they are fully happy to wake each day by your side. A blessing many still have not experienced. 😭💗
He always does that and Samantha's greeting always makes me smile, they are the best couple doing reactions ❤
It would be very odd to present her as someone else's wife.
A rare movie where Sean Bean survived until the end! 😂
One of the few movies Sean Bean doesn't die, this is one I've seen many times and love it still.
Still wish we would have gotten the Odysseus movie with Sean Bean.
This one, the first silent hill (the first and only good one)...which else does he manage to escape the clutches of death? 😅
@@yubyub335 The Martian, he's one of the NASA big shots in that one. Maybe there's others, his IMDB page is huge.
No love for National treasure here?
@@Phantomgreen29 he shockingly lives in "Ronin", where I thought he was doomed.
The scene where the king of Troy kisses the hands of Achilles is my favorite part of this whole movie.
The duel between Hector and Achilles is still one of my favorite fight scenes in all of cinema!
btw a good rule of thumb for telling the difference between boats and ships: a boat can be put to shore and then pushed back out to sea, but a ship is too big for that and needs a dock or smaller boats for its passengers to disembark.
Liam Neeson (Rob Roy) vs Tim Roth (Cunningham) is another great duel.
Aeneas the kid who received the Sword of Troy was a hero of Troy.
And in Virgil's Aeneid he is the founder of the Romans.
Don't miss out on a great movie and Brad Pitt performance with "Legends of the Fall".
LOVE that movie
Love ' Legends...'
That, and "A River Runs Through It" are probably the only two movies I like Pitt in.
@@JayTor2112 yes, also a good one
I dunno if you wanna be showing your wife Legends of the Fall lol that is PEAK Brad Pitt handsomeness lol
"Well, they'd run out of arrows eventually."
Good observation of the logistics of supplies for a sustained war. I mean.. the Trojan War lasted 10 years in the Iliad. And there's a lotta wooden objects seen in this film used in the war-arrows, spears, huts made of branches, that giant Trojan Horse-but.. do you see trees anywhere in this landscape at all? 😆 Ahh.. in this respect, I suppose it makes more sense Petersen depicted it as a much shorter conflict than 10 years..
Peter O' Toole and Brad Pitt really performed great together, it's amazing when you have two different generations of actors filming in front of the camera.
Nigel Terry speaking at 14:32, played King Arthur in 1981 “Excalibur “ in my opinion far and away the best telling of the
King Arthur and the Knights story, why is it the best? It just is in my opinion, saw a few times at the theater, excellent! Thanks y’all
I love Excalibur!!! When I saw this in the theater when it came out, I was thrilled to see him onscreen.
Remember he play Prince John . Along with Antony Hopkins as Richard the lion heart . And Peter o tool played his father King Henry. In ( the lion in winter) with Katherine Hepburn. . ( Hopkins first movie) 68 . Masterpiece
If you are a fan of Greek myths than please consider watching Clash of the Titans...the 1981 version with Harry Hamlin, NOT the remake!😅 It has great old school animation and fx by Ray Harryhausen. It really is a fun movie!
Harryhausen is the GOAT
Was it the 80s? Oof. I just mentioned it in a different comment and said it was from the 70s or maybe 60s. But I plead ignorance! I saw it when I was like 9 years old!
Then check out Jason and the Argonauts (1963) - my personal foray into sword and sandal movies.
The boy that Paris gave the Sword of Troy was name Aneaus, he was a lesser cousin of that royal family of Troy. And he led those Trojan survivors across a great distance to what is now Italy. And his great grandsons were Romulus and Remus… the founders of Rome. And also the ancestors of Julius Cesar. So when Paris said “Find them a new home” he eventually did. And his descendants eventually wiped out the Greeks in a sort of ironical vengeance. The Sword of Troy also has its own lineage through the ages where it eventually becomes Excalibur of King Arthur mythos. I many hours and energy researching to piece together all this as I’m sure many others have lol. Amazing stories.
In the movie Menelaos was killed, but in the books Helen, after seeing Paris' cowardly behaviour Aphrodites spell ended, and she went back to Menelaos and Sparta 😀
Diane Kruger as Helen of Troy is so perfect. I'd start a war for her myself. And it would be worth it too.
Very few can pull off Helen 'face that launched 1000 ships' and Diane Kruger is one of them 👍
As long as she brough along the Declaration of Independence .....
she's so beautiful its incredible, however she doesn't;t exude the sort of charisma you'd expect of someone who inspired a war
@@jimmorrish6771 She doesn't need charisma. Just a face.
Yes. The main weapon for duels was the spear. The sword was just a backup.
Aeneas, the guy who gets given the sword of Troy has an epic poem written about him too, sort of continuing on/splintering off from the Iliad. It ends with him eventually landing in Italy and founding Rome
LOVE Troy!! I was just thinking about it the other night; how underrated it is. I have the director's cut on blu-ray.
Terrific movie. RIP Wolfgang Petersen, a great director.
"Terrific"? Rather terrible in my eyes.
@@tubekulose you are in the minority with that opinion.
@@Lilithly Yes, because today unfortunately only a few people seem to be still familiar with Greek mythology and/or literature in general.
I dislike this movie for so many reasons, that I could fill a whole book with them. So I want to mention only three major issues I have with it:
1. According to Homer the war lasted ten years. However the movie suggests a timeframe of less than one month (!!!).
2. Achilles had already died from one single arrow in his ankle before (!) Troy was seized and not from a bunch of them inside the city.
3. AND where the heck are the gods??? In the "Illiad" they play an almost equally important role as the human participants.
After the Judgement of Paris, where he had favoured Aphrodite over Hera and Athene (a scene, which isn't even shown in the movie) the war became a matter for the bosses before it even started for the mortals.
From the very beginning of the Trojan war it was also kind of a chess game between the gods/godesses occasionally supporting their respective teams (Greeks or Trojans) with their devine powers. Nothing of that is even mentioned in this pathetic effort.
The makers of "Troy" took one of the greatest pieces of world literature and mythology and made it a profane, mediocre war movie. What a shame!
Peter O'toole is a legend, check him out in Becket or The Lion in Winter. I would strongly recommend KIngdom of Heaven, starring Orlando Bloom, it is similar to this genre of film and Orlandos character in this film is heroic and IMHO this film is very underrated.
A couple of other royalty related movies with Peter O’Toole that they may be interested in seeing are The Last Emperor and King Ralph.
I wonder if the Achilles of the movie and Hector would really have been best friends. Achilles really wasn’t about honour, only glory. Hector on the contrary was chivalrous to the bone.
I think this sums it up the attitude in Achilles' day. A passage from the Iliad,
“Ah cousin, could we but survive this war
To live forever deathless, without age,
I would not ever go again to battle,
Nor would I send you there for honor’s sake!
But now a thousand shapes of death surround us,
And no man can escape them, or be safe,
Let us attack - whether to give some fellow
glory or to win it from him.”
Life was cheap in those days. A birth defect, an illness, an accident, a blow from another man could end your life at any time.
You can see in the final scene who the Greeks really respected when they went towards Achilles 'body instead of their king which body was in the same place.
It’s amazing how little this generation knows about the face that launched a thousand ships, the Trojan horse and achilles.
TBR is more knowledgeable than most. I saw another reaction to this movie and I couldn't watch more than a couple of minutes it was so cringe.
@@petercofrancesco9812 I might have seen the same first few minutes. Immediately their time frame was over a thousand years off. Then it got worse. I don’t think I made it to the movie.
@@petercofrancesco9812I think we might have seen the same reaction. 'Cringe' is putting it mildly. Respect to TBR.
I first watched this film in the 10th grade while in World History. We watched the theatrical version and I also have that movie on DVD.
Y’all should check out the movie “Excalibur “ from 1981! Great movie with lots of great actors in early roles.
Did you ever watch krull m8 that movie is weird but good
Once I found out that the sex scene at the beginning of the film was a father directing his naked daughter I can't really watch the film any more. That's just way offside.
GREAT movie
One of the movies that spurred my love for fantasy as a child. Excalibur is one of the greats.
@@IndyMotoRider I love all Camelot related materials and thought this movie was top notch
Brian Cox from Manhunter, Braveheart
Brendan Gleeson also from Braveheart, 28 days later
James Cosmo from Highlander, Braveheart
Peter O'Toole(RIP) from Lawrence of Arabia, The Lion in WInter
John Shrapnel(RIP) from Gladiator, Elizabeth
Julian Glover from For Your Eyes Only, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade
Nigel Terry(RIP) from Excalibur, The Lion in WInter
and great actors like Mark Lewis Jones, Trevor Eve, Vincent Regan, Sean Bean and others veterans.
not to mention the younger cast, all faces you already know it.
The cast was stacked!!!! Simply amazing artists!
RIP to Wolfgang and James Horner too. Awesome job in this film!
The Trojan War lasted for 10 years, but Homers "Iliad" is telling primarily the story of the last year. And the moral centerpiece of it is the scene, where Priam, king of Troy, speaks to Achilles about the proper burial for his son. Achilles, who had been raging with fury for all his life and was mocking the gods constantly finally found mercy for his enemies and respect for the gods. By then it was too late, unfortunately, as the sun god Appollo had already cursed Achilles for the desecration of his temple. Homers morale was always to honor the gods and always to show mercy to mortal humans.
I always liked the sequel to the Iliad more - the "Odyssey". It tells the story of king Odysseus return home, which takes him another 10 year. For 20 years he hasn't seen his kingdom, his family, nor his wife. It is way more fantastic and mythical, with all kinds of strange adventures and fantasy creatures - and Odysseus mostly saves his life by his wit and sharpness.
Oh, and Homer probably never existed as one person. More likely several authors were lumped together under this name. The stories have been written down in the 8th or 9th century BCE, 400-500 years after the supposed events itself and had been "ancient mythology" themselves, when the name Homer was attached to them. Furthermore the writing down of Iliad and Odyssey is 50 years apart or so, that's why it is also unlikely, that they have really been written by the same person.
The kid they gave the "sword of Troy" to was Aeneas, the mythical founder of Rome, who was a refugee from Troy.
I could watch a 53 minute video of just you guys navigating how to pronounce tough names and words 😉. Another great reaction!
As someone whom played the game: Assassin's Creed Odyssey, it was very cool to hear classic Greek names, places, etc. spoken by Greeks whom were hired for the voice work. It just rolled off their tongues.
The 90's had quite a few "the true story behind the legend" films where they took a fantastical story and tried to show what might of inspired the legends. This, King Arthur, Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Alexander, (arguably) 13th Warrior, etc. It was fun and it's a kind of movie that I miss.
90s and early 2000s, you mean. King Arthur was 2004 and Alexander was 2005 or 2006 (I believe).
@@kevinnorwood8782 Oops, misremembered some of the dates. Thanks for the correction.
What Agamemnon was doing for Greece was actually very smart. Greece was made up of City States, like Athens and Thebes that had their own governance and armies, a city could defend itself against another city but they would lose against a foreign super power. By uniting all Greeks under one military banner they could survive an invading foreign army.
I like this adaptation of the Iliad as it tries to tell the story without the supernatural elements. The Gods inclusion here would have changed the movie tone completely and may have complicated matters. Unfortunately the other side of this meant the other supernatural elements like Helen's Mystical beauty and achilles heel had no context or even mentioned.
For exactly these reasons I dislike it.
The thing it did the best was showcase the Helenistic Greeks' obsession with physical form. The shots of Achilles' actions and poses was terrific.
@@tubekulose I absolutely get it. I grew up on those old movies and TV shows of greek mythology where they included the Gods and all those weird and wonderful creatures.
I hope someone one day does a big budget multi season tv series that tries to give a more faithful representation of original texts.
@@NimpanZ there was a 1962 Italian with dubbed English version that was a big budget production for 1962 that was based on the Iliad and had the gods and goddess and stuck to Homer's story more closely. Titled The Fury of Achilles. I saw it when I was about 14 and enjoyed the movie.
@@Patrick-xv6qv Thank you. If I can find it, I'll definitely check it out 👍
A very underrated movie all the way around. I always enjoyed it personally.
Amazing!!! Man, you two are kicking some serious butt lately. Just charging through some of my favourite movies ever!!!
Fury, Point Break, now Troy!!!!
Heck’s yeah!!!
I remember watching this when I was younger. One of my sisters. She got super pissed at the end, at Briseus. She was furious that she would just crawl on the ground, while her man was getting shot by arrows.
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Anyways. Love you guys’ reaction!! Just the best!!! Can’t wait to see what you both do next!!
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My mom introduced this movie(it's one of her favorites)to me, and I enjoyed it.
The original theatrical version is the best version.
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King Priam's visit to Achilles reminds me of King Osric from Conan:
"There comes a time, thief, when the jewels cease to sparkle, when the gold loses its luster, when the throne room becomes a prison, and all that is left is a father's love for his child."
Also, when Odysseus says to Achilles, "Women have a way of complicating things," he isn't just referring to Briseis, he's also referring to himself. Shortly before Agamemnon's messenger to Ithaca arrived, Odysseus's wife Penelope had just given birth to their son, so Odysseus had to leave for Troy knowing he would never get to watch his son grow up.
"That's why no one will remember your name." When I saw this movie when it came out I was 21. That line hit me hard.
..and your name is?
Being remembered is over rated. It almost always means one was responsible for getting a lot of people killed.
I came to that realisation when I was very young maybe about 10 or 11, that when the last person who ever knew you died .... You never existed!
Love your editing, it doesn't feel like you're talking over the content.
I believe the scene with Achilles being found dead by his men with having only a single arrow in his ankle is supposed to be what gave legend to him only having that spot as he weakness.
"That's a lot of ships". Helen was called "The Face that launched a Thousand Ships".
Watching you watching my favorite movie is a great way to start my weekend. 😊
I dislike this movie for so many reasons, that I could fill a whole book with them. So I want to mention only three major issues I have with it:
1. According to Homer the war lasted ten years. However the movie suggests a timeframe of less than one month (!!!).
2. Achilles had already died from one single arrow in his ankle before (!) Troy was seized and not from a bunch of them inside the city.
3. AND where the heck are the gods??? In the "Illiad" they play an almost equally important role as the human participants.
After the Judgement of Paris, where he had favoured Aphrodite over Hera and Athene (a scene, which isn't even shown in the movie) the war became a matter for the bosses before it even started for the mortals.
From the very beginning of the Trojan war it was also kind of a chess game between the gods/godesses occasionally supporting their respective teams (Greeks or Trojans) with their devine powers. Nothing of that is even mentioned in this pathetic effort.
The makers of "Troy" took one of the greatest pieces of world literature and mythology and made it a profane, mediocre war movie. What a shame!
Achille's hated king's that just wanted power or money in the movie. AKA his line, "If only King's fought their own battles, there would be less bloodshed". He was true solider he wanted to fight for king who looked out for his people. And how he respected Peter O'Toole character as leader. Hector also was great man and leader.
New drinking game. Every time Dan and Sam says boat instead of ship, take a drink.
The man receiving the Sword of Troy was Aeneas, he is said to head West and be the ancestor of Romulus and Remus the former obviously founding ancient Rome. Was a nice touch to add it to the movie
This film is a free adaptation of the Homeric poem the Iliad. Free because it takes many liberties with respect to the epic poem (such as the death of Achilles who dies here during the siege of the Greeks hidden in the wooden horse) and eliminates all the mythological part and in fact there are no representations of the Olympians . However, I understand that neither of them is very familiar with either the Iliad or the Odyssey, perhaps because they are not studied in the United States as is the case in my country, for example.
You should check out the Director's Cut - it's a complete re-edit, adding half an hour of much-needed character and story development, a different score, and if possible to imagine, an escalation of the already brutal fights. I wasn't overly impressed with the theatrical version, but the Director's Cut was like a whole new movie, with Sean Bean, Orlando Bloom, and Peter O'Toole getting a lot more screen time. As different in effect as Blade Runner's Final Cut or Kingdom of Heaven's Director's Cut, easily.
Having that opening narration over the 'dog' let me know it was going to be superior.
Achilles means "heartbreak of a nation.". He is a metaphor for young men who go to war to seek glory, but are killed with all their comrades. Hector is a metaphor for the man who defends his country, because he has to. This story and its characters are composites of many legends from numerous wars in the Aegean.
The whole point of this version, which a lot of people seem to miss, was to tell the story WITHOUT the active involvement of the gods as told in the Illiad. The characters believe in them and worship them, but in this version they do not play any role beyond the belief of the humans. Instead, the events are shown to occur in a way where stories might grow around them to explain things that those who where there did not understand. For example, Achilles is killed by being hit with multiple arrows in the torso, but he breaks them off before dying, so that when he is found with only the single arrow in his ankle, the story becomes that he was invulnerable except for his heel, and Apollo guided Paris' arrow to that spot, killing Achilles with poison. Similarly, Helen is not a reward for Paris bespelled by Aphrodite for selecting her as the most beautiful goddess to receive the golden apple from Discord, but rather a willing adulterous cougar who abandons her husband for a younger boy.
Love the atempt to tell a myth in a very real way. He breaks off all the arrows sticking in his torso so that when his dead body is found, only the arrow through his heel is visible, thus making them think THAT'S what killed him and was his weak spot. Obviously, when they prepare his body for the funeral, they will discover his actual manner of death, but it is too late by then. Too many soldiers have seen what they saw amd spread the word, which turned into legend, which turned into myth. And Achilles lives on in infamy as a synonym for weakness.
”When the truth becomes legend, print the legend.”
as 'disapproving' as I was of the silly 'but we paid for him!' business of them putting pitt in the horse, I was pleased to see that bit of cleverness.
All the fight scenes are spectacularly well choreographed. You can't fight all of the siege of Troy into one film so there has to be cuts for that. They knew what they were trying to make and they had some great actors to fill the roles. Most audiences, including critics, don't know the real history anyway.
I've read it just twice and even translated some from Latin but then that class went the way of The Aeneid, a poem about the guy who gets the sword of Troy there at the end. The Odyssey I used to read that translation every October for several years. Armand Assante stars in a good adaptation of that book.
Most critics harp on the depiction of Patroclus as a cousin. They think the two were gay. However, Greeks had many levels of love and family love was actually closer to the true depiction than if they were made gay. Homer never wrote them gay. They were raised as brothers AND were also brothers in combat. That comradeship is stronger than most romantic love.
I don't think the movie is trying to be accurate to the original Illiad.
More like they made it more grounded, plausible, and realistic.
A siege that lasts about a week or two rather than 10 years.
Pure skill and combat ability rather than being magically invulnerable.
No gods coming in to intervene.
What a great movie. I love it. The fight between Hector and Achilles is so fantastic. Great choreopraphy.
And I like how the did it connect with mythology. Here is Achilles only weak spot his heel. He gets the first arrow in it an it stays there. The others, that probably caused his death here, were pulled out by himself. His corpse has only the arrow in the heel and that is the way he is found. And so the myth goes and is kind of explained by this movie.
Do they not teach the classics anymore? “Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships!” It like the first day about the Trojan war!
If Orlando Bloom took off with my wife, I’d be willing to go to Troy…Michigan. Just to visit. I hear it’s a nice area.
Indeed.
It's fairly nice. Very low crime, but not particularly exciting. A pretty standard high income suburb.
@@marcuscato9083 I bet the Applebees experience alone is worth the visit. 😁
The Achilles tendon is named after Achilles.
I would like to inform you, that in the end of the original story, the king of Sparta, who was young and good looking, survived the war and took his wife back to Sparta, where they lived together.
This was a good film that I enjoyed despite the fact that, as a Greek, I was surprised in all inaccuracies, which were many.
When you asked, "why would you take a gift from an enemy?".....the Trojan Horse is the origin of the saying, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts".
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There's a few paragraphs in the Illiad talking about how Achilles went crazy when his cousin died and went on a rampage killing everyone and everything. It got so bad that all the blood started seeping into a river that a water god lived in and started suffocating him. The water god confronted Achilles and the guy was actually going to fight literal water till some of the Gods intervened and I believe made Achilles pass out.
And then he forgives the Trojans. Their king comes to him and kisses the hands that killed his favourite son and Achilles, through forgiveness, is able to overcome his grief.
A powerful message indeed.
Patroclus was also not Achilles cousin in the original story. He was Achilles' childhood friend, and in some versions, lover.
There is a brazilian say that says " this is a greek gift" when something looks good at first view but is actually bad.
I also loved learning about Greek mythology back in school. I still have a book about it. This movie is a favorite. The cast was great, Eric Bana and Brad Pitt were standouts.
Recommendation for you to react: Dirty Harry In The Dead Pool (1988), The last film of this franchise.
Hope you two are having an great and awesome weekend ❤
Daniel: “Paris sucks.”
Samantha: “I’m not a fan of Paris.”
I guess a trip to France isn’t on your agenda for the foreseeable future, guys!
If you’re looking for more historical epics after The Last Samurai, then Kingdom of Heaven should be on your list! The director’s cut, mind you - it’s a LOT better than the theatrical cut. Also, if you ever rewatch Troy, try to watch the director’s cut of that too, because it adds a lot more detail (though it also cuts out an important scene, for no apparent reason!).
As for the historicity of Troy, no one knows for sure if Homer’s epic poem was based on actual historical events. The city of Troy seems to have been a real place, though - in the 19th century, German archaeologist Heinrich Schliemann found the ancient ruins of a city in the location that Homer’s Iliad describes, and it showed signs of having being sacked at least once, so it’s at least possible that the legend is recalling actual events and that some of the characters were real people. If you want a 100% accurate historical story though, you HAVE to watch Braveheart. It’s awesome!
The Trojans hadn't heard the old saying, "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts".
Doesn’t have to be next on your list, of course.
But fingers crossed. I would think it be majorly awesome if you were to watch Apocalypto or even Dances with Wolves. Both phenomenal movies in very different ways really. But two more of my favs!!! 🤟🏾
6:27 they will name a tendon after you...
And so shall you be remembered through the ages.
It is amazing how much from this incident is part of modern culture. We all know about Achilles Heel and a Trojan Horse. It was probably the Trojan Horse that gave us the expression "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts." Paris called her Helen of Troy and we all know the expression "Helen Of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships."
On the other side, when the phrase 'Silenced by a slave girl' is literal but not understood by modern culture.
It's really worth looking into the original Iliad. The story is so much more nuanced. For starters, in the actual story, Menelaus was Helens choice to marry. And when the various kings of Greece had wooed her, her father got them to agree to a pact to defend her choice of husband, to protect the marriage from possible envy. Helen only goes with Paris because Aphrodite basically enchants her. In the end, Paris dies, and Helen and Menelaus go home to Sparta and live happily.