Cool name. A reference to Diomedes? Achilles is a fictional character, this story is based on the Illiad, not real events. There is little evidence that the Trojan war actually happened, let alone the legendary characters actually existing. It was written 400- 500 years after the events supposedly occurred. It's not Achilles who got the reward he wanted What is amazing is how the story has endured, though it is Homer, and those who came after him adding to the story (for example Achilles never actually died in the Illiad - it was only prophecised) who should feel proud.
@@DJLtravelvids I'm not sure why you seem to think that is a revelation that one of the most famous sets of myths in western culture is fictional, but OK. Edit: and yes, a derivative of Diomedes, my personal favorite character.
@@DJLtravelvids Where do you get the "info" that Achilles never died in Iliad? I bet before Troy was discovered you would have been one of those that said Troy never existed, or the war never happened...oh wait...
@@Trusteft I get the info from reading The Illiad. 700 years later other authors added to the story in the Aeniad and the Achilliad. Even the Trojan horse didn't appear until later. As for the Trojan wars there is still no evidence to show they happened. The ruins of Troy/Illum contain only a relatively small fort. No evidence of Priams walls. No doubt the city saw fighting at some point in its history, but the Illiad was written 400 years after it was supposed to have happened.
To me, Hector was a real hero and a true prince. He puts his people before himself, he fought for his family and country with honor and respected his enemies. He was also wise and faithful to his wife. And a good man. It just sucks that he died for his brother's stupidity. The fight between Achilles and Hector is so well choreographed.
Almost entirely agree - but I'm not sure he entirely respected his enemies. He killed Menelaus unfairly to protect his brother after both sides agreed on a one to one fight to the death. Interestingly, in the source material, Hector spends the first part of the fight with Achilles actually running away. He does 3 laps of the city walls before the gods get tired of it and intervene to make him stop and fight. Achilles the kills him quickly. This would not have made a great movie though!
Bohemian Radio Featuring The Bowie Effect Funny story about Thetis, Zeus once tried to seduce her (as he literally CANNOT keep it in his pants) by disguising himself as a cuttlefish. Unfortunately for him, Thetis was on to his game and emphasized that she was not interested by turning herself into a SHARK and attempting to EAT him!
That’s true! Also, when Achilles was a baby, Thetis went to the river Styx and baptised him in the water of the river. Thy made Achilles literally immortal! He couldn’t die in battle. But there was left one weak spot. Thetis hold Achilles from his left ankle, so thy part of the body wasn’t baptised in the river. That was his weakness!
The story goes, Achilles mother Thetis was told a prophecy about her son’s death. So to protect him and make him invincible, she dipped Achilles into the river Styx. Only, She couldn’t put her own hand in the river herself, so she held Achilles by his heel, which is his one weakness. That’s where the terms, Achilles’ Heel, and Achilles’ tendon get there origin.
Interestingly, the element of Achilles actually being invulnerable except for his heel was not part of the story at Homer's time. That seems to have first been mentioned in the Achilleid.
Hector was the only honorable man in the entire story of the Iliad. Everyone else was out for themselves, their own power and enrichment, but Hector was in it for honor, family, and Troy. He was a great man.
26:04 Imagine seeing your spouse about to be killed, there is nothing you can do, and the person that caused it (who you met a few days ago) “comforting” you. If she slapped Helen I doubt anyone would blame her.
I always thought that was weird. If I was Andromache and I had to watch my husband die in this war, I’d blame her and Paris for his death almost as much as Achilles. Maybe more. If they’d left her in Sparta with Menelaus (who wanted peace and took Paris in under guest rights), none of this would have happened.
@@MusaMansu I always thought they would see it like Hector said to Helen. You think Agamemnon cared about his brothers marraige? Throughout the film it felt like the war had been inevitable and helen was just the spark that ignited it. Hector and their family are well educated and sensible, level-headed people, I like to think they understood that.
It wasn't days ago in the original tale. The war encompassed much more than those few battles. It involved several nearby allies of Troy, and their cities. The entire siege went on for ten years
I love how this movie acknowledged the mythology of Achilles being invulnerable but explained it in practical ways. They gave him a fighting style that was unique compared to those around him. Of course this culminated in that awesome duel between him and Hector. Even in the end, they explained how the myth of Achilles dying by a mere "arrow to his heel" could have come about. Very creative writing.
The writing had explained Achilles death before the film was conceived. The Aeniad, written by the Romans, covers this as well as inventing the Trojan Horse, which was not part of the original story from the Illiad which ends with Hector's death.
Disagree, instead of being hit in artory and hip pulling out the arrow and in his arogance didnt tend to the bleed and bled to death, instead of that story they went with he got pierced with arrows to the chest but left one in the heal.
One quick mythological excursion: The man Paris gives the sword of Troy to and called him Aeneas, son of Aphrodite, became a highly important person later on. He fled to Carthage (today's Northern African area) and met queen Dido, in the early days of carthage that is. It is said that an oracle told him later on to go to Italy where he actually founded the city of Lavinium which was built only a few kilometers south of where the city of Rome is standing today. His blood line later on leads on to Romulus and Remus who would be the founding fathers of Rome in 753 b.c.. His son Iulus also seems to being referred to by the Iulian Emperors Gaius Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian. Of course this is mostly of mythological origin, but like in all good mythologies, there's truth in there somewhere. One thing that seems at least half way proven by now, is that Troy was being located in North Western Turkey.
Except there's more than enough to show this to be more real than myth. Especially when you look at the genealogical and genetic connections, especially with the Trojans themselves. Even with the idea of Brutus going to Britain. Modern historians decided to take it upon themselves to dismiss anything they decide to offhand despite evidence that already existed. There's no denying the close connections between all these groups at the time in Europe, North India, North Africa just on a genetic level, not to count cultural and linguistically.
Yes! Practically, the founder of Rome was Hellene🇬🇷 We were/are called Hellenes, not GrEeKs! Even the word Rome is Hellenic. Ρώμη (pronounced ròmi) means almighty in Hellenic. The city of Troy were located in Minor Asia🇬🇷 (today’s turkey) at the area of Δαρδανέλλια/ dardanèlia. The city today is called Canakkale. The city was called Ίλιον/ílion because it was dedicated to the Helios God Apollo. That’s why Homer’s poem had the title Iliad and not Troyad. Τρωάδα/troáda was called the general area, the city was called Ílion.
One's the daughter of Zeus, the other's the favorite of Aphrodite. The Greeks invented plot armor, and called it divine favor. It's their explanation for karma houdinis like Paris, demigod of failsons.
In later stories Agamemnon is murdered when he returns home. One reason given is that it is revenge for him sacrificing his daughter in exchange for fair winds to Troy.
In the myths, Agamemnon survived the war but later got his butt murdered by his wife and her boyfriend because Agamemnon sacrificed his daughter to go to war since the winds wouldn’t blow. This led to his son murdering the wife, and then getting punished by the furies, servants of the gods, until The Goddess Athena gave him a trial, which he won.
Duaffy: "It's a tragedy. This entire movie is a bittersweet feeling." Well, it's a Greek tragedy, sooo... BTW, the word hector, to harass or talk to someone in a bullying, aggressive fashion, is from the story of Achilles standing outside the walls of Troy, goading Hector into fighting him. And let's all appreciate a movie that has Sean Bean surviving to the end. YAYYYYYYY
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles.” ODYSSEUS
Helen was the daughter of Zeus ad Leda, queen of Sparta. Her siblings included Klytemnestra, the wife of Agamemnon. When Helen came of age, princes and kings from around the Greek world came to sue for her hand in marriage. Helen's "father", Tyndareus, didn't want to anger anyone by turning any of the suitors down, so was reluctant to make a choice. Odysseus, who figured that as the king of a minor kingdom he didn't have much of a chance, suggested that all of the suitors make a vow to protect the union of Helen and her as-yet unnamed husband. Tyndareus chose Menelaus as her husband, and the couple ruled Sparta after Tyndareus stepped down. So, when Helen was abducted by Paris, all of Greece was bound by oath to see that she was returned to Menelaus.
@@wclinton93 It gets even better. Zeus once had a major lust-on for the goddess Thetis. But then he found out about a prophecy that Thetis' son would be greater than his father. Zeus was afraid that any son he had by Thetis would overthrow him, so he had Thetis married off to a mortal king of a minor kingdom, Peleus of the Myrmidons. (The myrmidons were created by the gods from ants - myrmex in Greek.) Achilles was the son of Peleus and Thetis and was indeed far mightier than his father. At the wedding of Thetis and Peleus most of the deities of Greece attended. But the goddess Eris (discord) was not. So Eris threw a golden apple inscribed "for the fairest" into the wedding. The goddesses immediately began arguing over who should get the apple. Ultimately, it came down to three - Hera, Athena and Aphrodite. Zeus was asked to judge, but didn't want to anger any of the goddesses. So Zeus appointed Paris, son of Priam, to decide who should get the apple. The three goddesses all offered bribes to Paris. Hera offered him kingship over Europe and Asia - basically the whole world. Athena offered him unmatched martial skill and wisdom. Aphrodite offered him the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Obviously, Paris chose Aphrodite. So when you get right down to it, every aspect of the Trojan War is due to Zeus screwing up.
@@flatebo1 So of COURSE in Troy the Movie, they remove the Gods from it entirely even though they were the direct cause of the whole frelling thing in the first place.
@@Ambaryerno They wanted a more realistic version of the Trojan War. On the other hand, actual events likely inspired the tale of the Trojan War. The names of several of the key figures are known from existing actual ancient texts, but whether the texts refer to people living at the same time as one another is uncertain. One period of the city of Troy appears to have been destroyed by an earthquake. Both earthquakes and horses were associated with Poseidon, and the Trojan Horse was dedicated as an offering to Poseidon. So there's likely some version of the story that comes close to history and that doesn't involve actual gods. We just don't know what it is. There's a surviving portion of a Hittite letter to the king of the Achaeans dated around 1250 that refers to the kingdoms having previously been at war with one another over the city of Wilusa (Ilium/Troy). So there was some sort of Trojan War.
Nah, they died because an old fool wasnt able to understand that his wife was tired of his shit.xd Seriously, why nobody blames Menelao??? The fucking crazy bastard that initiated a war because NTR???
I loved that the writers made it ambiguous whether or not Achilles was a demigod or just a really good fighter. Him and Hector dismiss the gods' influence several times in the film and Achilles remarks that if he were invincible he wouldn't need a shield. But they also portray his mother as prophetic and a godlike ability in combat (blocking the arrow with the shield on his back). This was the movie that got me into ancient warfare and history
The scene with achillies and hector was so well done. We all knew hector was going to die, he knew it, his family knew it, but he gave it his all. He knew what was coming and he faced it. He wasn’t a coward. The result was a very realistic approach. Put up a half decent fight. Great scene. I’m glad they made this movie with a more realistic approach instead of following the ridiculous Iliad story exactly
Fun (well strange) fact, the beach where the boats are is in Malta, and I got swept out to sea there during filming and was saved by part of the crew back in 2003
It's really clever how they handled the thing about Achilles weakness, considering that they did a 'realistic' take on the story, separate from the existence of gods. Achilles was not one-shotted by an arrow to his heel, no one would be, Paris shoots him many times, and he rips out all of the arrows but the one in his foot, with that as the only arrow remaining in his body it looks like he was killed by the heel shot
One thing I always thought about watching this movie... 50 000 men infantry against a heavily fortified city with massiv walls and an equal massiv gate and they have no siege towers, no ladders, no battering rams... I mean, what was the plan here even if they had reached the walls?
Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships. One of the most timeless tales ever told. I highly recommend anyone to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, the greatest literature of antiquity. I absolutely love Peter O'Toole's performance in this as Priam, my favorite in this whole film.
Brian Cox, the actor playing Agamemnon, was the first actor to play Hannibal Lector in the FIRST movie to have that character in it, Manhunter from 1984.
Since you just watched 300 before this, one of the funniest/most unique niche roles I’ve ever seen an actor carve out for himself is the guy who plays both Leonides’ & Achilles’ second in command in 300 and Troy. Seems like that guy was specifically who movie studios went to when they wanted “veteran Greek military officer” during the mid-00s. Also, while you’re on an historical epic kick, if you’ve never seen Kingdom of Heaven (2005, starring Orlando Bloom, Liam Neeson, Eva Green, and a bunch of other well known people), it’s worth checking out. It’s about a recently widowed blacksmith (Bloom) in the 1180s who learns he’s the son of a nobleman (Neeson) and follows him to Jerusalem and gets involved in the Crusades. It fits right in with movies like Gladiator & Troy. But unlike Troy, the extended version is necessary for Kingdom of Heaven. It adds about 45 minutes and greatly improves the movie (entire characters and subplots are cut out in the theatrical version because the studio was worried about audiences sitting through a 3 hour movie)
22:00 - Duaffy the Tactitian It's interesting to see someone watch this movie with no prior knowledge of the myth. Watching you be surprised by the events was fun.
11:45 and yet this went down near as makes no difference 4,000 years ago and we still know the names. Achilles. Hector. Odysseus. Ajax. Nestor. Agamemnon. Menelaus. Patroclus. Priam. Paris. Helen. Briseis.
(29:41) Achille's heel, the most vulnerable spot on him. His mother had her fingers there when she dipped his body into the river Styx making him invulnerable. I'll never forget seeing an answer on a Greek Mythology exam. The student answered, "Achilles mother dipped his body into the river Stinx and made him repulsive."
15:30 He is Achilles, the son of King Pelus of the Myrmidons and Thetis, Thetis an immortal sea spirit to begin with but she also rejected the advances on both Zeus and Poseidon and as such was given even greater powers. She used those powers to make her son invulnerable.
Hector is the true hero of this story and the fight scene between him and Achilles is always hard for me to watch because Hector is truly the better man and a good man and deserves to live.
Although Hector's death pains me a lot, he deserved everything to live, didn't lose will to the last breath but it's still not really bad he surrendered to fate. I mean props to him he survived life surrounded by fools that didn't listen to him. Imagine how mentally strong he was.
This movie does such a great job of making you love characters on both sides of the conflict and feel torn with each fight in the movie. I really hate that Hector died... Patroclus died in battle, Achilles’ revenge is unwarranted in my opinion. I understand grief but killing Hector like that was unwarranted. Great reaction. I saw this movie in theaters when it came out. It was pretty epic.
Hectors death is so painful. Paris and Helen survive at the end but what is their love worth? Also its one of the only films/show where everyone else dies but Sean Bean's character doesn't 😂 PS You should read Troy in Homer's Iliad!
Yes, Thetis was his mother - a sea nymph - making Achilles half divine. In later stories- such as the Aeniad and Achillead- written hundreds of years later the myths are expanded and explain that Thetis submerged Achilles in the river Styx as an infant which made him invulnerable. However she held him by the ankle and so this was not protected and proved to be a weakness
That's a bit more complicated Tethis isn't a " goddess", while being a divine being (don't remember the proper name), and Achilles isn't a literal demigod, just a man who was given a supernatural gift after being born
"Inspired" being the important part. I like both Braveheart and The Patriot too with Mel Gibson, but the plots were twisted so much for dramatic impact, they're only half accurate, important that people treat them with a pinch of salt.
@@mred20 I saw it first time as very young boy, so I just saw it as an epic movie... didn't see it as an historic movie, just think its awesome they made it inspired from the William Wallace tales
@@Berg126 I know what you mean, I'm British and when I originally watched them I didn't have the historical factual knowledge I do now. The Patriot for example, Colonel Tavington was based on Banastre Tarleton and they had to change the name because it was such an inaccurate representation. Braveheart they made Wallace out to be some sort of peasant of the period rallying everyone, his family did have wealth and nobility links.
To this day I insist that both Achilles and Hector, as well as the people of Troy, did not deserve such a fate, since everything was caused by the stupidity of Hector's younger brother "Paris" and what bothered me the most was that such a person who caused everything. . . he stayed alive until the end without any consequences.
I mean the consequences were pretty big, imagine living knowing that your family, your city, everything got destroyed because of your own foolishness. I think him having to live with that in mind is worst than just dying.
One of my fav movies...because Achilles is my Fav of the ancient heros...and Brad Pitt nailed it...love your reactions....yer quite feisty...😏 In actual history... Achilles was struck by a stray arrow that recoshayed off a shield in his heal...just one arrow in the heal killed him...because the Trojans dipped all their arrows in scorpion poison... probably died in a tent over the span of 45 min to an hour and a half. They called Achilles Lord because he was a warlord...basically he was a warrior for hire...and controlled 50 elite warriors.
The suggestion I am about to make is completely unrelated to this film, but I am making it because I just found out that Dean Stockwell died six days ago. Although Stockwell had a very long career (beginning as a child actor in 1945), most people will tend to remember him for playing Al in the 1989-1993 television series Quantum Leap. However, my favorite work that Stockwell appeared in was the 1991 two-part television miniseries Son of the Morning Star, in which he received a top billing alongside Gary Cole and Rosanna Arquette. The miniseries dramatizes the events leading up to and including (as well as some of the aftermath of) the Battle of the Little Bighorn, beginning at the point when George Armstrong Custer (played by Cole) was given command of the 7th Cavalry following the American Civil War. Thecstory is narrated from two very different perspectives by Custer's wife, Libby (voiced and played by Arquette), and a Cheyenne woman called Kate Bighead (voiced by Buffy Sainte-Marie). Stockwell has a supporting role (albeit, a very important one) as General Philip "Little Phil" Sheridan. Now, the main problem with watching Son of the Morning Star, however, is that the company that produced it is defunct. If I'm not mistaken, the intellectual property rights were inherited by Viacom (which later eventually became ViacomCBS), although the rightholders (whether ViacomCBS as I suspect, or not) seem to have completely forgotten that the miniseries ever existed, and I don't think you are going to find it on any officially-sanctioned streaming service. However, the fact that the rightholders have forgotten about the miniseries has also translated into a stunning lack of enforcement of the copyright, which has resulted in at least a couple full copies of the miniseries existing on TH-cam. The quality is kinda choppy since these are usually home-digitized from VHS (the original rightsholder ceased to exist before everything moved to DVD), but the copy on the TH-cam channel LionHeart FilmWorks (which has it in two videos, one for each part of the miniseries), while not perfect, is watchable in quality. But, yeah, I very strongly recommend Son of the Morning Star. It has a very interesting story with some very talented actors.
Last year I was in the Pelion mountain in Greece (owning a house there, 50 meters from the sea close to the village Afissos) and visited the cave in which the myths say that Achilles was trained by the centaur Chiron. It is a cave near to the villlage Milies 600 meters above the sea close to a wonderful mounrain stream.
Oh wow, you haven't done The Last Samurai yet? I saw another post (the one in Spanish) mentioning it, and did a search on your channel assuming you had done it long ago. Stellar movie recommendation, guaranteed to bring out strong emotions ;-)
There was never a war between Greeks and Trojans. A war broke out between the Achaean alliance and the Trojan alliance, which according to Homer was a Greek civil war. The Achaeans and the Trojans had kinship, common gods and customs, and the same language. This history is written and no one can change a single letter.
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This is based on Homer's "The Iliad" but he was Greek and Achilles was the main hero while the Trojans were the bad guys. Paris is still a douche in both versions. Homer also gave us Jason & The Argonauts based on The Odyssey.
It's a glad you watch Troy, it's one of my favorite movies and I'm fascinated with your reaction to it. By the way, I love every reaction you do to every movie. Greetings from Latinoamerica!
This film is attempting to be a more historically realistic telling of the myths of the Trojan War. The Greeks lay siege to Troy for 10 years before finally sacking the city via the Trojan Horse. Achilles is the King of Phthia, one of the many Greek city-states. The boy he was training with and who Hector killed was his cousin Patroclus. There is a famous Latin expression from the Aeneid, "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes." - I fear the Greeks even when they bear gifts. This was said by the Trojan priest Laocoon.
This is definitely one of my all-time favourite movies. So glad that you watched it. Your reactions are wonderful and your assessments are wise and profound. You gained a new fan.
The Odyssey so should have been made after this as a film starring Sean Bean. I love The Odyssey so much more, and I always love the very mortal nature of Odysseus struggling in both battle and with temptation to fuel his journey. He has the secret power of thinking strategically through the buffeting of circumstances. The first great anti-hero hero in our literature.
Paris shot Achilles in the heel, which is his one vulnerable spot. In Greek Mythology, His mother, the goddess Thetis who told him he wouldn’t return in the film, dipped him in in the river Styx in the underworld by the ankle to make him invulnerable when he was a baby, but since his ankle didn’t get soaked, it was still vulnerable.
@Rune Kristensen Just looked it up. Says it's Greek. Keep in mind that the entire Iliad is way older than Homer and people passed it word to mouth before he had it written down.
This film, and several other versions of the story of the Trojan War (such as the novel "Goddess Of Yesterday") tell the story that Paris and Helen were smitten with each other and she went with him to Troy willingly. The ORIGINAL myth, however, makes it VERY clear that she was ABDUCTED. Helen liked Paris, and they did have a fling, but in the end, she chose Menelaus. Paris, however, didn't accept that, and either asked Aphrodite to cast a love spell on her, or he straight-up kidnapped her. In either case, by the time she's in Troy, Helen is NOT thrilled to be there, and is NOT happy with Paris at all. Also, in the original myth, Menelaus does NOT want to get Helen back so he can kill her. He wants to RESCUE her. Towards the end of the Illiad, Menelaus almost DOES kill her (because he's been blinded by bloodlust after fighting ten years of war and finally killing Paris), but Odysseus stops him and snaps him back to reality just in time.
Don't forget that the Gods and Goddesses were all directly involved in the War. In fact IIRC, the Trojan Wars were really just a way for them to settle scores with one another. All in all, I liked the 2003 Helen of Troy miniseries better. It was MUCH more faithful to the original story. Including Menelaus being one of the only genuinely decent people involved in the whole mess.
Patroculas wasn't his cousin , every human is each other's far cousin . Patroculas murdered a baby when he was a child and was exiled and than he met Achilles. They both got extremely close , nobody knows if it was just a friendship or more However there was no labels back then and nobody could label a relationship, a love was love and they mentioned they both seeking behind mother's back . Throughout history males shared bond like this only after Christanity it stopped .
Loved your reaction to Troy Duaffy and your analysis were spot on about the movie well summarised with the term "Bittersweet". Many tragic ends and Parris lost everything he loved, in order for his love with Helen to endure. Achilles basically died after finding someone worth fighting for. Hector died due to the great amount of respect he has towards his father, even when he disagreed to follow the omen. Agamemnon died after he conquered Troy, his biggest ambition. King of Troy lost his son and saw Troy burn, all that loss and tragedy after choosing to listen to the priest over his sons.
Just realized this like the only movie I have ever seen that Sean Bean doesn't die in, also I wish they made a sequel to this with Sean Bean like a remake of The Odyssey.
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Your so right about Hector a wise Man among many power cazyed and ambitious Men,it was filmed in Malta that's why the water was so clear they had to import the sand because there is hardly any there I used to holiday there with my parents for many years.
Then Ulysses (Sean Bean) is cursed for sacking the temple of Poseidon and is blown around the Aegean for ten years before he's allowed to return home to save his wife and his crown :)
Hector had his flaws, but I still found him sympathetic. That’s what’s beautiful about the Iliad. Normally, Hector would be the villain, but he’s a loving father, husband, son, brother, generally brave and a great warrior and fighting for his country in a war that he never wanted.
15:30 He is Achilles son of Tethis who is the granddaughter of the titans Pontus (the sea) and Gaia (the earth), Achilles is the great grandson of the primodial titans.
The Iliad is pretty much the beginning of Western civilization. It may even be a badly garbled account of the actual conflicts that took place between the Achaean/Mycenean Greeks and the Luwians, who were related to the Hittites during the Bronze Age Collapse (a period massive societal collapse). The Greeks were victorious, and destroyed the Luwian and possibly the Amazon cultures as they conquered Western Anatolia, the survivors being hellenized.
Exactly and thats why greeks should never say that Anatolia belongs to them because Anatolia belongs to Anatolians. Anatolia is not of Greek origin so they should stay on their side of the sea.
funny mythological fact. Tyndareos Helena's father originally wanted Odysseus to give Helena as his wife, but Odysseus desperately wanted Penelope to be her cousin. As a result, Helena chose Melenaos herself and the other kings had to take an oath. Iphigenia agamemnon's daughter was to be sacrificed and Achilles wanted to take her as his wife, but it turned out differently.
Over 3,000 years later and these people's names and stories are still told around the world. Ultimately Achilles got the reward that he so desired.
Cool name. A reference to Diomedes? Achilles is a fictional character, this story is based on the Illiad, not real events. There is little evidence that the Trojan war actually happened, let alone the legendary characters actually existing. It was written 400- 500 years after the events supposedly occurred. It's not Achilles who got the reward he wanted
What is amazing is how the story has endured, though it is Homer, and those who came after him adding to the story (for example Achilles never actually died in the Illiad - it was only prophecised) who should feel proud.
@@DJLtravelvids I'm not sure why you seem to think that is a revelation that one of the most famous sets of myths in western culture is fictional, but OK. Edit: and yes, a derivative of Diomedes, my personal favorite character.
@@DJLtravelvids Where do you get the "info" that Achilles never died in Iliad? I bet before Troy was discovered you would have been one of those that said Troy never existed, or the war never happened...oh wait...
@@Trusteft I get the info from reading The Illiad. 700 years later other authors added to the story in the Aeniad and the Achilliad. Even the Trojan horse didn't appear until later.
As for the Trojan wars there is still no evidence to show they happened. The ruins of Troy/Illum contain only a relatively small fort. No evidence of Priams walls. No doubt the city saw fighting at some point in its history, but the Illiad was written 400 years after it was supposed to have happened.
@@DJLtravelvids You have a copy of the Illiad where Achilles does not die?
To me, Hector was a real hero and a true prince. He puts his people before himself, he fought for his family and country with honor and respected his enemies. He was also wise and faithful to his wife. And a good man. It just sucks that he died for his brother's stupidity.
The fight between Achilles and Hector is so well choreographed.
His father was even more stupid. Kind and with good heart but took terrible decisions as a king. Hector was the only one with common sense there.
@@davida7153 for sure, Hector would have made a better king than his father.
@Derek Lopez agreed on all counts.
Almost entirely agree - but I'm not sure he entirely respected his enemies. He killed Menelaus unfairly to protect his brother after both sides agreed on a one to one fight to the death.
Interestingly, in the source material, Hector spends the first part of the fight with Achilles actually running away. He does 3 laps of the city walls before the gods get tired of it and intervene to make him stop and fight. Achilles the kills him quickly. This would not have made a great movie though!
Ehhhh. They buffed him for this movie. Hector was a coward.
Achilles’ mother was Thetis, a sea nymph , one of the daughters of the ancient sea god Nereus. Which makes Achilles a demigod.
Bohemian Radio Featuring The Bowie Effect Funny story about Thetis, Zeus once tried to seduce her (as he literally CANNOT keep it in his pants) by disguising himself as a cuttlefish. Unfortunately for him, Thetis was on to his game and emphasized that she was not interested by turning herself into a SHARK and attempting to EAT him!
That’s true!
Also, when Achilles was a baby, Thetis went to the river Styx and baptised him in the water of the river. Thy made Achilles literally immortal!
He couldn’t die in battle.
But there was left one weak spot. Thetis hold Achilles from his left ankle, so thy part of the body wasn’t baptised in the river. That was his weakness!
Nerus was also the son of Pontus and Gaia which makes Achilles the great grandson of the primodial titans.
The story goes, Achilles mother Thetis was told a prophecy about her son’s death.
So to protect him and make him invincible, she dipped Achilles into the river Styx.
Only, She couldn’t put her own hand in the river herself, so she held Achilles by his heel, which is his one weakness.
That’s where the terms, Achilles’ Heel, and Achilles’ tendon get there origin.
And Apollo himself guided that arrow on his heel
Interestingly, the element of Achilles actually being invulnerable except for his heel was not part of the story at Homer's time. That seems to have first been mentioned in the Achilleid.
Hector was the only honorable man in the entire story of the Iliad. Everyone else was out for themselves, their own power and enrichment, but Hector was in it for honor, family, and Troy. He was a great man.
Hector in the movie has nothing to do with the historical fact.
26:04 Imagine seeing your spouse about to be killed, there is nothing you can do, and the person that caused it (who you met a few days ago) “comforting” you.
If she slapped Helen I doubt anyone would blame her.
I always thought that was weird. If I was Andromache and I had to watch my husband die in this war, I’d blame her and Paris for his death almost as much as Achilles. Maybe more. If they’d left her in Sparta with Menelaus (who wanted peace and took Paris in under guest rights), none of this would have happened.
@@MusaMansu I always thought they would see it like Hector said to Helen. You think Agamemnon cared about his brothers marraige? Throughout the film it felt like the war had been inevitable and helen was just the spark that ignited it. Hector and their family are well educated and sensible, level-headed people, I like to think they understood that.
The priest would be like
"By the gods..."
It wasn't days ago in the original tale. The war encompassed much more than those few battles. It involved several nearby allies of Troy, and their cities. The entire siege went on for ten years
wasnt the whole war somethinv around 10 years tho, so i mesn i feel they wouldve becane alot closer in that time
I love how this movie acknowledged the mythology of Achilles being invulnerable but explained it in practical ways. They gave him a fighting style that was unique compared to those around him. Of course this culminated in that awesome duel between him and Hector. Even in the end, they explained how the myth of Achilles dying by a mere "arrow to his heel" could have come about. Very creative writing.
The writing had explained Achilles death before the film was conceived. The Aeniad, written by the Romans, covers this as well as inventing the Trojan Horse, which was not part of the original story from the Illiad which ends with Hector's death.
Disagree, instead of being hit in artory and hip pulling out the arrow and in his arogance didnt tend to the bleed and bled to death, instead of that story they went with he got pierced with arrows to the chest but left one in the heal.
There’s a huge difference between lust and love. The fact he wouldn’t die for her shows he was not in love.
One quick mythological excursion: The man Paris gives the sword of Troy to and called him Aeneas, son of Aphrodite, became a highly important person later on. He fled to Carthage (today's Northern African area) and met queen Dido, in the early days of carthage that is. It is said that an oracle told him later on to go to Italy where he actually founded the city of Lavinium which was built only a few kilometers south of where the city of Rome is standing today. His blood line later on leads on to Romulus and Remus who would be the founding fathers of Rome in 753 b.c.. His son Iulus also seems to being referred to by the Iulian Emperors Gaius Julius Caesar and his adoptive son Octavian. Of course this is mostly of mythological origin, but like in all good mythologies, there's truth in there somewhere.
One thing that seems at least half way proven by now, is that Troy was being located in North Western Turkey.
Aeneas was the cousin of Paris and Hector.
WOW GZ for that knoleg Thenks Seriusly THX
I skim read that but I got the bit where Anus marries Dildo. The Greeks were weird.
Except there's more than enough to show this to be more real than myth. Especially when you look at the genealogical and genetic connections, especially with the Trojans themselves. Even with the idea of Brutus going to Britain. Modern historians decided to take it upon themselves to dismiss anything they decide to offhand despite evidence that already existed. There's no denying the close connections between all these groups at the time in Europe, North India, North Africa just on a genetic level, not to count cultural and linguistically.
Yes!
Practically, the founder of Rome was Hellene🇬🇷
We were/are called Hellenes, not GrEeKs!
Even the word Rome is Hellenic.
Ρώμη (pronounced ròmi) means almighty in Hellenic.
The city of Troy were located in Minor Asia🇬🇷 (today’s turkey) at the area of Δαρδανέλλια/ dardanèlia. The city today is called Canakkale.
The city was called Ίλιον/ílion because it was dedicated to the Helios God Apollo.
That’s why Homer’s poem had the title Iliad and not Troyad.
Τρωάδα/troáda was called the general area, the city was called Ílion.
It still pisses me off that the two extremely selfish people that caused the war are two of the few characters that survive.
One's the daughter of Zeus, the other's the favorite of Aphrodite. The Greeks invented plot armor, and called it divine favor. It's their explanation for karma houdinis like Paris, demigod of failsons.
In later stories Agamemnon is murdered when he returns home. One reason given is that it is revenge for him sacrificing his daughter in exchange for fair winds to Troy.
@@dp3154
Paris dies in the myth. He is killed by Philoctetes.
In the myths, Agamemnon survived the war but later got his butt murdered by his wife and her boyfriend because Agamemnon sacrificed his daughter to go to war since the winds wouldn’t blow. This led to his son murdering the wife, and then getting punished by the furies, servants of the gods, until The Goddess Athena gave him a trial, which he won.
The orestian cycle.
Duaffy: "It's a tragedy. This entire movie is a bittersweet feeling."
Well, it's a Greek tragedy, sooo...
BTW, the word hector, to harass or talk to someone in a bullying, aggressive fashion, is from the story of Achilles standing outside the walls of Troy, goading Hector into fighting him.
And let's all appreciate a movie that has Sean Bean surviving to the end. YAYYYYYYY
What's more, he's Oddyseus, the one that ultimately survived them all and went on to have one of few happy ends.
That's the modern meaning of the word. The name ector is derived from an older name meaning "to hold"
It is not Greek tragedy, it is epic genre.
@@EarlRedclaw I didn't know they had massage parlors then!
It's actually a greek epic, the tragedies are centuries later.
"If they ever tell my story, let them say I walked with giants. Men rise and fall like the winter wheat, but these names will never die. Let them say I lived in the time of Hector tamer of horses. Let them say, I lived in the time of Achilles.” ODYSSEUS
"It's too early in the day for killing princes."
"You must be royalty."
Me: Achilles, you're a prince and your father is King Peleus.
Helen was the daughter of Zeus ad Leda, queen of Sparta. Her siblings included Klytemnestra, the wife of Agamemnon. When Helen came of age, princes and kings from around the Greek world came to sue for her hand in marriage. Helen's "father", Tyndareus, didn't want to anger anyone by turning any of the suitors down, so was reluctant to make a choice. Odysseus, who figured that as the king of a minor kingdom he didn't have much of a chance, suggested that all of the suitors make a vow to protect the union of Helen and her as-yet unnamed husband. Tyndareus chose Menelaus as her husband, and the couple ruled Sparta after Tyndareus stepped down. So, when Helen was abducted by Paris, all of Greece was bound by oath to see that she was returned to Menelaus.
never knew that, thanks so much for sharing!
@@wclinton93 It gets even better. Zeus once had a major lust-on for the goddess Thetis. But then he found out about a prophecy that Thetis' son would be greater than his father. Zeus was afraid that any son he had by Thetis would overthrow him, so he had Thetis married off to a mortal king of a minor kingdom, Peleus of the Myrmidons. (The myrmidons were created by the gods from ants - myrmex in Greek.) Achilles was the son of Peleus and Thetis and was indeed far mightier than his father.
At the wedding of Thetis and Peleus most of the deities of Greece attended. But the goddess Eris (discord) was not. So Eris threw a golden apple inscribed "for the fairest" into the wedding. The goddesses immediately began arguing over who should get the apple. Ultimately, it came down to three - Hera, Athena and Aphrodite. Zeus was asked to judge, but didn't want to anger any of the goddesses. So Zeus appointed Paris, son of Priam, to decide who should get the apple. The three goddesses all offered bribes to Paris. Hera offered him kingship over Europe and Asia - basically the whole world. Athena offered him unmatched martial skill and wisdom. Aphrodite offered him the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. Obviously, Paris chose Aphrodite.
So when you get right down to it, every aspect of the Trojan War is due to Zeus screwing up.
@@flatebo1 So of COURSE in Troy the Movie, they remove the Gods from it entirely even though they were the direct cause of the whole frelling thing in the first place.
@@flatebo1 so Paris was actually older than Achilles?
@@Ambaryerno They wanted a more realistic version of the Trojan War.
On the other hand, actual events likely inspired the tale of the Trojan War. The names of several of the key figures are known from existing actual ancient texts, but whether the texts refer to people living at the same time as one another is uncertain. One period of the city of Troy appears to have been destroyed by an earthquake. Both earthquakes and horses were associated with Poseidon, and the Trojan Horse was dedicated as an offering to Poseidon.
So there's likely some version of the story that comes close to history and that doesn't involve actual gods. We just don't know what it is. There's a surviving portion of a Hittite letter to the king of the Achaeans dated around 1250 that refers to the kingdoms having previously been at war with one another over the city of Wilusa (Ilium/Troy). So there was some sort of Trojan War.
It's basically the perfect portrayal of "in war, nobody wins"...
Hector and Achilles were the best warriors in this movie and my favorite characters. And they both died because of a coward.
Nah, they died because an old fool wasnt able to understand that his wife was tired of his shit.xd
Seriously, why nobody blames Menelao??? The fucking crazy bastard that initiated a war because NTR???
@@aplotholesfiller8827 I guess that's true. But don't forget, Paris chose a woman over his own people.
Everyone remembers Achilles.
I will always remember Hector and what he stood for.
I loved that the writers made it ambiguous whether or not Achilles was a demigod or just a really good fighter. Him and Hector dismiss the gods' influence several times in the film and Achilles remarks that if he were invincible he wouldn't need a shield. But they also portray his mother as prophetic and a godlike ability in combat (blocking the arrow with the shield on his back). This was the movie that got me into ancient warfare and history
I can’t help but think a lover of these types of tales would be a little turned off by how far this movie departed from its source material. 🤷🏾♂️
@@Krust23 It might not be for everyone for sure, but there are many different interpretations of it out there
The great thing is that Hector wasn't beaten by the rock, and Achilles let him get back up because he didn't want to let that exact thing happen
The scene with achillies and hector was so well done. We all knew hector was going to die, he knew it, his family knew it, but he gave it his all. He knew what was coming and he faced it. He wasn’t a coward. The result was a very realistic approach. Put up a half decent fight. Great scene. I’m glad they made this movie with a more realistic approach instead of following the ridiculous Iliad story exactly
Fun (well strange) fact, the beach where the boats are is in Malta, and I got swept out to sea there during filming and was saved by part of the crew back in 2003
Rescued from Poseidon....
It's really clever how they handled the thing about Achilles weakness, considering that they did a 'realistic' take on the story, separate from the existence of gods. Achilles was not one-shotted by an arrow to his heel, no one would be, Paris shoots him many times, and he rips out all of the arrows but the one in his foot, with that as the only arrow remaining in his body it looks like he was killed by the heel shot
One thing I always thought about watching this movie... 50 000 men infantry against a heavily fortified city with massiv walls and an equal massiv gate and they have no siege towers, no ladders, no battering rams... I mean, what was the plan here even if they had reached the walls?
They saw Brad Pitt's other movies, figured they'd use the zombies from "World War Z" 😂
@@hoagsmash4188 Pretty smart. Take over the city and lower the costs for your assembled army all in one. Not bad... not bad at all ;)
Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships. One of the most timeless tales ever told. I highly recommend anyone to read the Iliad and the Odyssey, the greatest literature of antiquity.
I absolutely love Peter O'Toole's performance in this as Priam, my favorite in this whole film.
Brian Cox, the actor playing Agamemnon, was the first actor to play Hannibal Lector in the FIRST movie to have that character in it, Manhunter from 1984.
A great movie. I enjoyed it.
I actually think the theatrical version is better then the directors cut version
a million percent
Since you just watched 300 before this, one of the funniest/most unique niche roles I’ve ever seen an actor carve out for himself is the guy who plays both Leonides’ & Achilles’ second in command in 300 and Troy. Seems like that guy was specifically who movie studios went to when they wanted “veteran Greek military officer” during the mid-00s.
Also, while you’re on an historical epic kick, if you’ve never seen Kingdom of Heaven (2005, starring Orlando Bloom, Liam Neeson, Eva Green, and a bunch of other well known people), it’s worth checking out. It’s about a recently widowed blacksmith (Bloom) in the 1180s who learns he’s the son of a nobleman (Neeson) and follows him to Jerusalem and gets involved in the Crusades. It fits right in with movies like Gladiator & Troy.
But unlike Troy, the extended version is necessary for Kingdom of Heaven. It adds about 45 minutes and greatly improves the movie (entire characters and subplots are cut out in the theatrical version because the studio was worried about audiences sitting through a 3 hour movie)
22:00 - Duaffy the Tactitian
It's interesting to see someone watch this movie with no prior knowledge of the myth. Watching you be surprised by the events was fun.
11:45 and yet this went down near as makes no difference 4,000 years ago and we still know the names. Achilles. Hector. Odysseus. Ajax. Nestor. Agamemnon. Menelaus. Patroclus. Priam. Paris. Helen. Briseis.
(29:41) Achille's heel, the most vulnerable spot on him. His mother had her fingers there when she dipped his body into the river Styx making him invulnerable. I'll never forget seeing an answer on a Greek Mythology exam. The student answered, "Achilles mother dipped his body into the river Stinx and made him repulsive."
Now THAT'S funny!!
A rare film in which Sean Bean DOESN'T die...
A good film though... been many years since I saw this
I was waiting for the day you'd watch Troy. Could not be happier.
*That movie was filmed in Playa Balandra in La Paz, Baja California Sur, México... You are very Welcome to visit us!*
15:30 He is Achilles, the son of King Pelus of the Myrmidons and Thetis, Thetis an immortal sea spirit to begin with but she also rejected the advances on both Zeus and Poseidon and as such was given even greater powers. She used those powers to make her son invulnerable.
Hector is the true hero of this story and the fight scene between him and Achilles is always hard for me to watch because Hector is truly the better man and a good man and deserves to live.
hector resembles the ideal and the dream of humanity but achilles represents reality and nature the strongest survives not the most righteous.
achilles fucked him up suck it
Although Hector's death pains me a lot, he deserved everything to live, didn't lose will to the last breath but it's still not really bad he surrendered to fate. I mean props to him he survived life surrounded by fools that didn't listen to him. Imagine how mentally strong he was.
This movie does such a great job of making you love characters on both sides of the conflict and feel torn with each fight in the movie. I really hate that Hector died... Patroclus died in battle, Achilles’ revenge is unwarranted in my opinion. I understand grief but killing Hector like that was unwarranted. Great reaction. I saw this movie in theaters when it came out. It was pretty epic.
It's not the reason of Achilles we sing of but the Wrath of Achilles.
The first lines of the Illiad is
"Sing, Goddess, Achilles' rage"
Hectors death is so painful. Paris and Helen survive at the end but what is their love worth?
Also its one of the only films/show where everyone else dies but Sean Bean's character doesn't 😂
PS You should read Troy in Homer's Iliad!
the PS..... just that....
If I’m not mistaken, according to the story, Achilles’ mom was a water Nymph/goddess
Yes, Thetis was his mother - a sea nymph - making Achilles half divine. In later stories- such as the Aeniad and Achillead- written hundreds of years later the myths are expanded and explain that Thetis submerged Achilles in the river Styx as an infant which made him invulnerable. However she held him by the ankle and so this was not protected and proved to be a weakness
Achilles was a demi-god. son of a king and Thetis, a sea-goddess.
24:55 HECTOOOOOOR!!!!!
Some Trojan: The person you have called is temporarily not available 🤣
not too proud to admit that I laughed out loud. o.o
Achilles was the son of the goddess Thetis, he was hence a demigod.
That's a bit more complicated
Tethis isn't a " goddess", while being a divine being (don't remember the proper name), and Achilles isn't a literal demigod, just a man who was given a supernatural gift after being born
@@leonardolonghi3472 I stand corrected.
1995 braveheart is a must see movie, inspired by Scottish history, Mel Gibson acting and producing this masterpiece
"Inspired" being the important part. I like both Braveheart and The Patriot too with Mel Gibson, but the plots were twisted so much for dramatic impact, they're only half accurate, important that people treat them with a pinch of salt.
@@mred20 I saw it first time as very young boy, so I just saw it as an epic movie... didn't see it as an historic movie, just think its awesome they made it inspired from the William Wallace tales
@@Berg126 I know what you mean, I'm British and when I originally watched them I didn't have the historical factual knowledge I do now. The Patriot for example, Colonel Tavington was based on Banastre Tarleton and they had to change the name because it was such an inaccurate representation. Braveheart they made Wallace out to be some sort of peasant of the period rallying everyone, his family did have wealth and nobility links.
@@mred20 I also like how in Battle of the Stirling Bridge there is no bridge haha
Hope ot comes soon, see the movie is start trending again as a reaction video😍
Hahahahaha. I love your reaction!
To this day I insist that both Achilles and Hector, as well as the people of Troy, did not deserve such a fate, since everything was caused by the stupidity of Hector's younger brother "Paris" and what bothered me the most was that such a person who caused everything. . . he stayed alive until the end without any consequences.
I mean the consequences were pretty big, imagine living knowing that your family, your city, everything got destroyed because of your own foolishness. I think him having to live with that in mind is worst than just dying.
in the mythology Paris died from Filoktitis a famous archer when troy fell.
One of my fav movies...because Achilles is my Fav of the ancient heros...and Brad Pitt nailed it...love your reactions....yer quite feisty...😏
In actual history... Achilles was struck by a stray arrow that recoshayed off a shield in his heal...just one arrow in the heal killed him...because the Trojans dipped all their arrows in scorpion poison... probably died in a tent over the span of 45 min to an hour and a half.
They called Achilles Lord because he was a warlord...basically he was a warrior for hire...and controlled 50 elite warriors.
The suggestion I am about to make is completely unrelated to this film, but I am making it because I just found out that Dean Stockwell died six days ago. Although Stockwell had a very long career (beginning as a child actor in 1945), most people will tend to remember him for playing Al in the 1989-1993 television series Quantum Leap. However, my favorite work that Stockwell appeared in was the 1991 two-part television miniseries Son of the Morning Star, in which he received a top billing alongside Gary Cole and Rosanna Arquette.
The miniseries dramatizes the events leading up to and including (as well as some of the aftermath of) the Battle of the Little Bighorn, beginning at the point when George Armstrong Custer (played by Cole) was given command of the 7th Cavalry following the American Civil War. Thecstory is narrated from two very different perspectives by Custer's wife, Libby (voiced and played by Arquette), and a Cheyenne woman called Kate Bighead (voiced by Buffy Sainte-Marie). Stockwell has a supporting role (albeit, a very important one) as General Philip "Little Phil" Sheridan.
Now, the main problem with watching Son of the Morning Star, however, is that the company that produced it is defunct. If I'm not mistaken, the intellectual property rights were inherited by Viacom (which later eventually became ViacomCBS), although the rightholders (whether ViacomCBS as I suspect, or not) seem to have completely forgotten that the miniseries ever existed, and I don't think you are going to find it on any officially-sanctioned streaming service. However, the fact that the rightholders have forgotten about the miniseries has also translated into a stunning lack of enforcement of the copyright, which has resulted in at least a couple full copies of the miniseries existing on TH-cam. The quality is kinda choppy since these are usually home-digitized from VHS (the original rightsholder ceased to exist before everything moved to DVD), but the copy on the TH-cam channel LionHeart FilmWorks (which has it in two videos, one for each part of the miniseries), while not perfect, is watchable in quality.
But, yeah, I very strongly recommend Son of the Morning Star. It has a very interesting story with some very talented actors.
Last year I was in the Pelion mountain in Greece (owning a house there, 50 meters from the sea close to the village Afissos) and visited the cave in which the myths say that Achilles was trained by the centaur Chiron. It is a cave near to the villlage Milies 600 meters above the sea close to a wonderful mounrain stream.
Achilles young cousin was played by Garret Hedlund who later in years became the lead actor in Tron Legacy.
Oh wow, you haven't done The Last Samurai yet? I saw another post (the one in Spanish) mentioning it, and did a search on your channel assuming you had done it long ago. Stellar movie recommendation, guaranteed to bring out strong emotions ;-)
RIP Hector... we all want him as a Son, Brother, Father
You should really consider watching the six "mission impossible" movies if you haven't already, from 1996 to 2018, before the seventh one comes out :)
There was never a war between Greeks and Trojans. A war broke out between the Achaean alliance and the Trojan alliance, which according to Homer was a Greek civil war. The Achaeans and the Trojans had kinship, common gods and customs, and the same language.
This history is written and no one can change a single letter.
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This is based on Homer's "The Iliad" but he was Greek and Achilles was the main hero while the Trojans were the bad guys. Paris is still a douche in both versions. Homer also gave us Jason & The Argonauts based on The Odyssey.
that is sooop wrong
@@johnhubert3875 You are so stupid.
It's a glad you watch Troy, it's one of my favorite movies and I'm fascinated with your reaction to it. By the way, I love every reaction you do to every movie. Greetings from Latinoamerica!
he is a killing machine,.. of course, he is a demigod 🤣
Great movie. I like Greek mythology . Fyi Achilles mother was a goddess. Another great historical movie is Rob Roy 1995 with Liam Nissan.
After all that they have to get home now. Someone should make a movie about that journey. That odyssey, if you will.
Fun bit about Eric Banna is he was the first Incredible Hulk in the early 2000s comic boom
This film is attempting to be a more historically realistic telling of the myths of the Trojan War. The Greeks lay siege to Troy for 10 years before finally sacking the city via the Trojan Horse.
Achilles is the King of Phthia, one of the many Greek city-states. The boy he was training with and who Hector killed was his cousin Patroclus.
There is a famous Latin expression from the Aeneid, "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes." - I fear the Greeks even when they bear gifts. This was said by the Trojan priest Laocoon.
This is definitely one of my all-time favourite movies. So glad that you watched it. Your reactions are wonderful and your assessments are wise and profound. You gained a new fan.
Cant stop watching your reactions...
You are definitely so sweet with an adorable smile....
It's funny how Mr. Bird Signs Priest was the first Domino to the Downfall😂😂😂
The Odyssey so should have been made after this as a film starring Sean Bean. I love The Odyssey so much more, and I always love the very mortal nature of Odysseus struggling in both battle and with temptation to fuel his journey. He has the secret power of thinking strategically through the buffeting of circumstances. The first great anti-hero hero in our literature.
Loved your reaction. Your voice and laugh are extremely pleasant. :)
Paris shot Achilles in the heel, which is his one vulnerable spot. In Greek Mythology, His mother, the goddess Thetis who told him he wouldn’t return in the film, dipped him in in the river Styx in the underworld by the ankle to make him invulnerable when he was a baby, but since his ankle didn’t get soaked, it was still vulnerable.
@Rune Kristensen Just looked it up. Says it's Greek. Keep in mind that the entire Iliad is way older than Homer and people passed it word to mouth before he had it written down.
@Rune Kristensen Fair enough. It still might have been passed down through Oral tradition, though.
This film, and several other versions of the story of the Trojan War (such as the novel "Goddess Of Yesterday") tell the story that Paris and Helen were smitten with each other and she went with him to Troy willingly. The ORIGINAL myth, however, makes it VERY clear that she was ABDUCTED. Helen liked Paris, and they did have a fling, but in the end, she chose Menelaus. Paris, however, didn't accept that, and either asked Aphrodite to cast a love spell on her, or he straight-up kidnapped her. In either case, by the time she's in Troy, Helen is NOT thrilled to be there, and is NOT happy with Paris at all.
Also, in the original myth, Menelaus does NOT want to get Helen back so he can kill her. He wants to RESCUE her. Towards the end of the Illiad, Menelaus almost DOES kill her (because he's been blinded by bloodlust after fighting ten years of war and finally killing Paris), but Odysseus stops him and snaps him back to reality just in time.
Don't forget that the Gods and Goddesses were all directly involved in the War. In fact IIRC, the Trojan Wars were really just a way for them to settle scores with one another.
All in all, I liked the 2003 Helen of Troy miniseries better. It was MUCH more faithful to the original story. Including Menelaus being one of the only genuinely decent people involved in the whole mess.
@@Ambaryerno I've seen that one as well. I really enjoyed that one too.
It is believed Achilles was intimate with his cousin too, found it funny when you said he loves his cousin lol
Patroculas wasn't his cousin , every human is each other's far cousin .
Patroculas murdered a baby when he was a child and was exiled and than he met Achilles.
They both got extremely close , nobody knows if it was just a friendship or more However there was no labels back then and nobody could label a relationship, a love was love and they mentioned they both seeking behind mother's back .
Throughout history males shared bond like this only after Christanity it stopped .
This movie is (as a huge Mythology fan) a masterpiece 😍
Loved your reaction to Troy Duaffy and your analysis were spot on about the movie well summarised with the term "Bittersweet".
Many tragic ends and Parris lost everything he loved, in order for his love with Helen to endure.
Achilles basically died after finding someone worth fighting for.
Hector died due to the great amount of respect he has towards his father, even when he disagreed to follow the omen.
Agamemnon died after he conquered Troy, his biggest ambition.
King of Troy lost his son and saw Troy burn, all that loss and tragedy after choosing to listen to the priest over his sons.
They are speaking Maltese in the background. It was filmed in Malta. Those are local extras.
The actor who plays Agamemnon,, his voice is unique 👌
27:57
Funny thing is, that priest is probably Laocoon -- in the Iliad, he's the one who advised to burn the horse.
I love your laugh!!!!
You're Awesome!!!!
Saludos Guapa!!!!
Just realized this like the only movie I have ever seen that Sean Bean doesn't die in, also I wish they made a sequel to this with Sean Bean like a remake of The Odyssey.
First time stumbling on this vlog. Absolutely loved her laugh.
The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long.
Fun fact...the war lasted in 10 years with battle's between them each time during that time before the legendary Trojan Horse was made
28:10 shut up helen 😹😹😹😹
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That sea is from Los Cabos, Baja California Sur, México. Where the movie was filmed.
The only movie/tv show where Sean bean doesn't die.
(22:33) The prior scene, with the large balls of fire rolling down the dunes, involved more retakes than any other. Dozens of cats were appearing out of nowhere at every try. Finally, after three days and 9 retakes, the final take made it to the movie, th-cam.com/video/f8ghhDbtUpY/w-d-xo.html
Your so right about Hector a wise Man among many power cazyed and ambitious Men,it was filmed in Malta that's why the water was so clear they had to import the sand because there is hardly any there I used to holiday there with my parents for many years.
The comment from Agamemnon about her giving him a bath was funny :) In history he's killed by a slave during a bath 🤣😂😊
Then Ulysses (Sean Bean) is cursed for sacking the temple of Poseidon and is blown around the Aegean for ten years before he's allowed to return home to save his wife and his crown :)
He's killed by his wife
In Iliad, the book that the movie is based on, Patroclus was Achilles lover not cousin but yes he's death spelled the end of Troy.
that enthustiastic man in the boat is AJAX..so many heroes in ILLIAD...
One of the not many movies Sean Bean doesnt die because he plays Odysseys :D
Its a good Greek mythology story.
Forgot how absolutely savage some of these one-liners were.
Hector had his flaws, but I still found him sympathetic. That’s what’s beautiful about the Iliad. Normally, Hector would be the villain, but he’s a loving father, husband, son, brother, generally brave and a great warrior and fighting for his country in a war that he never wanted.
There’s also a contrast set up with Hector and Paris, with everyone wanting him to be more like Hector. Even Helen.
the theatrical version is sooo much better than the director’s cut
15:30 He is Achilles son of Tethis who is the granddaughter of the titans Pontus (the sea) and Gaia (the earth), Achilles is the great grandson of the primodial titans.
Well, your reaction to the story is perfect. You cant't hate almost anybody in the story. No one is totally right or wrong. That's why It's a tragedy.
I love how Americans playing Greeks in films set in Antiquity need to have English accents.
I see two more actors that were in Braveheart in this film.
The Iliad is pretty much the beginning of Western civilization. It may even be a badly garbled account of the actual conflicts that took place between the Achaean/Mycenean Greeks and the Luwians, who were related to the Hittites during the Bronze Age Collapse (a period massive societal collapse). The Greeks were victorious, and destroyed the Luwian and possibly the Amazon cultures as they conquered Western Anatolia, the survivors being hellenized.
Exactly and thats why greeks should never say that Anatolia belongs to them because Anatolia belongs to Anatolians. Anatolia is not of Greek origin so they should stay on their side of the sea.
funny mythological fact.
Tyndareos Helena's father originally wanted Odysseus to give Helena as his wife, but Odysseus desperately wanted Penelope to be her cousin. As a result, Helena chose Melenaos herself and the other kings had to take an oath.
Iphigenia agamemnon's daughter was to be sacrificed and Achilles wanted to take her as his wife, but it turned out differently.
(Sept 5, 2022)
Waking achilles up 2:13. 2:35
Paris & Helen 3:41 4:21
On boat back to troy 4:34 5:14.
Briseis 12:15 13:30. 15:03. 20:00 20:20. 20:44
Helen trying to go back15:08
23:30.
Hector vs Achilles 25:30 26:50
Amazingly Sean Bean didn't die.