Dune: Imperium Review - A SU&SD Dust-Up
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AVA AND QUINNS: "I dislike how slow and long this game is!"
MATT: "I like to intentionally make my turns take longer to mess with people!"
Ah, I think I see what's happened here,
Yeah it seems like if 1 player does a bit of tomfoolery like this it's going to drag it out a bit lol
That's boardgames!
😅 lol lol
The Matt in a Sleeping Bag "worm" is my favorite SU&SD running joke and might be my favorite Crawling Joke of all time.
a Crawl-back joke, if you will
I want to meet Matt once and let him sign my sleeping bag!
"we've got matt-sign!"
I do hope that panda situation gets resolved, but it's rare there's a black and white solution.
👏🏻 👏🏻
In america some of the blame can go to the fox community for the panda situation.
@@TheErnieforss is that what the fox says?
🥁
Mighty big of you to include the rest of the team’s thoughts despite them being Wrong About Games, Matt. Downright upright of you, I’d say.
played this at the weekend with 3 others. was fun, brisk and tatical. I lost but I understand why I lost and want to play again
I always seem to understand HOW I lost and still unable to do anything about it the next time . . . And I want to play again . . .
@@dirtybird99Existing here two years later to say the same. Just took it out of the shrink last weekend and played my second solo game today. Walloped even on Mercenary (Novice), but ijdc.
Need an episode of The Opener showing me how to make G̸̟͍̜̖̦͓͚̰̖͚̥̳̗͕̏̆̍̋͊̋͆̍̂̀̉̄̿ͅh̴̨̲͕̘̘͕̟̖̾ḁ̵̛͙͈̤̳̙̻̩̇̔͝u̷̧̘̟͈̪̦̘͖͛̽̒͂a̵̦̱̼̗͙̍̊ģ̷͚͍͚̖͖̟̗͍͖͎̝̆̏̈́͂͘h̴̡͍̙̺̙͍͎̜̺̩̙̮͜͝ͅǎ̵̫̮̗͈̓̌̉̐̾̓̌́͋̚͝͝͠͝g̶̪̥͈̞̭̖͈̳̝̝͊͆̌͑͑̃̊̑̅̀̅̈́͂̅͘u̷̼͑͛̾̊̃̎̃̚͘ȃ̶̢̠͓̲̦̙̥̰͓̹͔͘g̸̟̫̮̹̬͚̍̿́̒̉̋͌͘h̷̳̖̜̔̇̾̋ and custard.
I'm not sure a raw eggplant/aubergine covered in custard is that hard to make....or delicious.
My girlfriend and I had a blast with this game. Our games were very tight and on more than one occasion, came down to an intrigue card played during the final combat. There was also one time where I stole an intrigue card that gave me a one point victory during the endgame. I have also enjoyed it solo.
The way this reads it sounds like she flipped the table and left you to play on your own.
Just amazing game
Just saw the film yesterday. Immediately noticed a minor spoiler from a card.
When you mention the Bene Gesserit "Bond" not been displayed like the other one, it is because there is a difference. Bond mean they get activated even if a card is played after. Normally this keyword is used for the Reveal phase. Here, you need to have played another Bene Gesserit card during your Agent phase in a previous turn. This is harder to achieve since you only get 2-3 agents per turn.
Best space desserts from a dessert planet I've ever seen!
I'm all in for spicy desserts. I believe the slow-passing shields are a direct reference to custard.
I love how much effort clearly went into that throwaway bit :D
The long awaited return of the worm costume!
"costume" :D
I didn't realise how much I wanted to see those clips again...
Its been a tough couple of years.
I think the sword bluffing reveals and the intrigue cards are what helps save the game as a Dune game instead of just another euro. It could be exactly Lords of Waterdeep + Dominion without it, but isn't some of the Dune theme about outthinking and surprising your enemy? My group all really liked Dune: Imperium. No mechanics are new, but the designer did a great job taking bits from other games and mixing them into something that just works really well. Live it really isn't that long either, our 4p games are maybe 75-90 min.
I agree, my group found the seemingly strange combination of deck building and worker placement to be a lot of fun and the intrigue cards/bluffing create some hilarious moments. Personally, I think I lean toward Dune Imperium now over Lords of Waterdeep for scratching my "worker placement" itch
Dune is probably in my top 5 games, maybe top 3 actually.
@@laglover Good to hear. Everyone I've introduced Lords of Waterdeep to has loved it. Dune seems like a tougher sell though.
So it's Lords of Waterdeep + Arctic Scavengers instead then?
@@revimfadli4666 To be honest I found it to be a bland worker placement game with a Dune skin on it. Like the game mechanics doesn't really embrace the Dune theme.
Now I'm wondering what comprises those desserts, with equal parts amazement and alarm.
The eggplant shoved into a ... I don't know what at the end, it's like an emoji dessert.
looks like a celeriac and some spring onion/shallots
Space Flan - cheesecake + aftereffects ($537/wk, no option to cancel)
Caramel Neutrons - dihydrogen monoxide, cerium-doped phosphor, and chocolate sauce
Quobric Splodge - Pleurotus ostreatus, Lycium barbarum, off-brand smurf, and sugar syrup
Profiteroles - [censored by The French]
ត̵̨̰̫͎̗̳̜̣̖̺̟̈́ែ̷̧̨̹͕͇̥̉͊អ̶̢̛̘͊͂̒͑͒̎ͅម̴̧̭̺͉̞̈́̽̃̃̽ត̷͙͍̠͓̓ៈ̷͕͓͇̜̜͎͔̼͆͝ ̵͍̞̳̭̭̝̺̲̀̄͆̆̊̓̊̍̈́̈ and Custard - (hopefullly non-poisonous variant of) Solanum melongena, Apium graveolens v. rapaceum root, and custard.
The alien desserts segment is exactly the kind of irreverent nonsense that makes SUSD the best channel on TH-cam. I'm not even that interested in the game (though I do find the colorful wooden bits strangely alluring) but I knew whatever you had cooked up would be worth the watch anyway and I was not disappointed!
Terra Mystica has similarly alluring coloured wooden bits if you are interested in something different 😊
They are so funny. In a Monty Pyton style
After 5 months, I finally got the "Fremen with Bene Gesserits" joke. Bravo, well done.
what is the joke here?
@@akos544 A bit of a stretch, but it kind of sounds like "Friends with Benefits."
@@am19228 hmm ok. Can't say I am rolling on the floor :)
I've enjoyed this game immensely each time I've played it.
Believe it was a panda mech. Roving about crushing the elderly. Much safer to stay indoors.
Sounds like you need an Old Glory insurance policy.
th-cam.com/video/g4Gh_IcK8UM/w-d-xo.html
@@bosef1 fantastic. Perfect. Best comment EU
Good to see the colonel's moustache is still getting roles. Oscar-worthy performance as Dr. Google.
Game gets a definite recommendation from me, at least. Full of tough decisions about which cards to use for workers and which to reveal, which fights you should try to contest and which you should stay out of.
That desserts gag at the end may well have the highest effort:payoff ratio I've seen in a SUSD vid and it is well appreciated
I am conflicted - a great gag, but also such a blatant waste of custard, a crime second only to allowing a cup of tea to go cold.
That cracked me up so much! I think that last one is celeriac with aubergine sticking out of it, no idea what the weird spikey bits are but overall looks very spacey even though it's just random veg 😆
Reminds me a bit of the Peter serofinowitz Butterworth diet plan foods.
"Hoisin owl, bonbon bonbonbon bons"
You might say it was a little... over-dune
[ducks for cover]
I've played Dune 3 times now and have enjoyed it more every time. It really does a great job of simulating the feel of the story with politics, intrigue, and combat woven into almost every decision. I was also impressed at the synergy available in the cards once you understand what it is they're capable of. About the only thing I really don't like is that some of the character powers flat out stink.
Same here. Love the game, but found some playable characters really weak or nonsensic theme-wise (or both, I'm looking at you Memnon Thorvald).
This is one of the games where I am mesmerized that there are people that do not like it .... Such a great game.
But hey, tastes....
Fair review Matt.
mesmerized?
@@RickJaeger yes, - that tastes can vary that much while the people in my gaming community all love it despite very differing tastes on many other games and things in general. I enjoy those different views and think it is a plus for the hobby.
@@hanseathl Ah I see. Out of curiosity, how would you say this game compares to other Dune board games, if you happen to have played any of them?
@@RickJaeger nothing much in common aside of the setting
@@mescaLEO Okay.
lol Herbert Herberberpt what the hell haha
I rewound that several times just to hear that! nice one
I can't stop laughing.
As a big deck builder fan, I'd say this is more of a worker placement game with deck building elements. You can't really play it like a deck builder, as cards only get you so far. It's a lot more driven by worker placement.
I'd say it's more fair to compare it to Lords of Waterdeep than Dominion.
Nothing I love more than cozying up by the fire on a rainy day and reading gripping tales from Herbert Heberberpt
He's the pherbpehbect scifi author
11:31 Interestingly my 4-player board game group much prefers playing Imperium with all of us rather than just 2 or 3 of us. Perhaps that's just because we like having the whole group, but personally at least, I found having more spots on the board being taken up, more cards being bought and more people fighting over alliances made the game so much more dynamic. There's so much more that can go wrong with your plans that it really keeps you on your toes. 2 player games on the other hand, always felt a little too independent - there wasn't enough interference and overlap between what the players were planning, meaning often the only change you'd have to make to your plans was how aggressively you wanted to go into a conflict. There's nothing inherently wrong with that of course and 2 & 3 player were still great, it's just that we love 4 player even more.
My thoughts too. Found thr game too flacid at 1-2 and prefer the tightness of 3-4 players.
„I‘m teleporting through Time and Space, mother..!“
You didn't even mention one of the spiciest parts of the game with the Intrigue cards.
Hehe spice
Enlighten me.
@@raffaelsteinmann7296 You can get intrigue cards from various sources, and they let you do stuff like recall a worker, go to a space you don't have symbols for, get some extra resources or a combat boost. They're one time use, and don't go in your regular deck. And one of the cool things is that one of the Bene Gesserit action spaces lets you steal a random intrigue from each opponent who has at least 4 of them, so you don't want to hoard them too much.
@@raffaelsteinmann7296 They're cards you get that you keep hidden. There are some that give you bonuses during the Agent Phase, some will give you a boost in combat that you play during the combat phase, and others will give you bonus victory points in the end game. It adds extra tension because if someone has intrigue cards you're never quite sure if you're winning the combat or even the game.
Dune Imperium is a near perfect game almost entirely ruined by extremely random, extremely powerful intrigue cards that are at least as powerful as an entire turn and force the first two players to choose the two spaces that give intrigue cards before being able to make interesting decisions with their following turns (if playing to win). But the game is great!
How is it not called a "Bene Gesserit scheme" when you play two cards. I demand a reprint!
anything the Bene Gesserits do is a scheme, cards or no cards.
or Molto Bene.
I played this with 4, and had a blast. The other 3 players also enjoyed it, and I am definitely down to play it many more times especially with the expansion coming out later this year.
This video looks great! The lighting, colors, framing, etc. are all excellent!
This pleasantly reminded me of the review on Taverns of Tiefenthal. Another nourishing video of Matt teaching us that games don't have to be perfect. I really appreciate those honest nuances. And those desserts looked so much better than anything the replicators in Star Trek TNG ever created!
This has become a favorite of our group in no time! We’re also frequent players of TI4 and this came across as a shorter, Euro version of it. I think it is a bit of a missed opportunity that the review didn’t mention all the intrigue cards, how combat works, different opportunity cost decisions you have to make etc.
Damn, that printer has some excellent comedic timing.
I had just finish listening to your dune: imperium pod cast when this showed up in my recommended feed, lol
7:07 "I frankly resent giving the screentime to people who are wrong about board games..." ZING! 😂
Came for the Desert. Stayed for the Dessert.
Oh boy and it's not even worm month!!
I NEED the return of the Matt board-game/meal episodes after this amazing ‘dessert’ highlight :)
When we want more casual deck-building + worker placement, we play Lost Ruins of Arnak. When we want a more tense strategy tussle, we play Dune: Imperium. Lots of fun had by all either way.
Yup that's my thoughts on it as well.
The custard bit got me real good, lol. Great review, man. Cheers.
"Fremen with Bene Gesserits." Oh. My. God. You earned that thumbs up.
I didn't get that joke, could you explain?
@@ahiskali1 listen again to 4:30. The way he pronounces those names makes "Fremen with Bene Gesserits" sound like "Friends with benefits"
is that... an aubergine stuck onto a celeriac dyed green? Impressive
Celeriac does sound a bit alien.
Looks like it should be served in a Heston restaurant
The Angel Delight must flow!
Wow, that final bit was fantastic. 😂
This was the most fun vid you've made in a while!
The space desserts part was just 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We played a 3-player game of this recently and we all really enjoyed it! Tense, exciting, and satisfying. The theme is worn a little too loosely, but that was the only downside for us.
Neat, thinking of adding this one to the collection and this helps a lot
No mention of the intrigue cards? Oh well, it is an amazing game... I've never read the books, but I get the theme (it's there, not strong), but the mechanics fit together so very well. What a fun game. SU&SD's opinion on the game was predictable, but being predictable isn't always bad. Keep up the good work, even if this game is much better than you think. ;)
The Space Dessert joke just killed me XD
“the dessert planet” lol so good
Herbert Herberberpt is a really underrated SUSD joke
Dune Imperium reminded me of 2 other games :
- Underwater Cities for the 'Worker Placement + play a card with a bonus' part
- Arctic Scavengers for the "fight for victory points and other ressources at the end of the round with cards you didn't use during your turn"
Great mix ! :) My only complaint is the difficulty to trash cards from your deck...
What about intrigue cards? those are the best part about the game
If you want another excellent deck building and worker placement game, try Lost Ruins of Arnak. Also, please have Matt get back in his sleeping bag, and crawl around, or just poke his head up from the table as a worm. I need more WorMatt in SU&SD videos. Please and thank you.
The lighting and colours in this video is just pure joy. Well done, Matt. This looks amazing!
I disagree with 2 points here:
1) it is _very_ similar to Lost Ruins of Arnak
2) unlike LRA, it plays _extremely_ well at 4 players. Do be prepared for a 3-hour game but for those 3 hours to feel like 40 minutes (as long as you're all in the room, which team SU&SD unfortunately weren't)
I just picked up this game and look forward to playing it this weekend! I am a huge fan of Clank! Feed the Quinn paper to the worm shredder.
Just popping in to say, this is an excellent game and I absolutely love it in 1, 2, 3 or 4 player configurations.
To everybody that is commenting about how this is an "okay worker placement game" I say unto you: the deckbuilding part is where the magic is happening. You're certainly missing out if you view this within the category of worker placement. I would describe that part as the segment of the rocket that falls away once it has left the atmosphere, leaving you with a sleek deckbuilding spaceship.
It feels really bad when you absolutely love a game and you're the only person in the playgroup that does so. It's the main reason I won't touch anything without a solo mode.
Good thing this game has a solo mode, and it's pretty fun!
I was about to say: Like you. But realising you being a girl i know i have to behave. :-D
@@herzkinenevroing to say you're a weirdo creep
I've only ever played it with four, and everyone has enjoyed it a great deal.
Excellent review. Very entertaining, but also truly helpful in deciding whether this game is for you.
I think at this point I'd quite happily watch several hours of Matt worming around
Great timing, I was browsing through Zatu games when this video came up.
The game I play the most from my 50 game collection. Simple, short, and fun. It’s a game to enjoy, to let go off your daily routine. Absolutely love it. And I have only played it with another player (2 players). Can’t imagine with three.
I don't see the Ameritrash comparisons at all, frankly.
Like many others, a bit shocked that neither intrigue cards nor the blandness of the cubes and central dune board were mentioned. This felt like a significantly lower effort review than the SUSD standard (though it's still a strong review, their standards are quite unfair).
Overall, I have enjoyed the game a lot. I think I haven't played it with quite the right group yet, but it's still been good fun every time. Messy honestly feels like the worst word for it though, my take was that it's tight and crisp while trying to tie together some impressively disparate mechanics.
Great review as always, interested to know why you reversed the points system?
THE WORM!!! this is just the best
this show is just so fantasitic. I lost my shit at the bit with the disagr-o-meter XD
I’ve played Dune: Imperium twice in Solo Mode. The choices I faced as a player were delicious, but I definitely felt like it was a little too RNG for my taste. When the plan you’ve been setting up all turn can be ruined by a random flip of a card, that’s a little feel-bad.
Still, fun game and I’ll definitely hold onto it for a while.
As it's now #13 all time on BGG, I guess he can say he was right.
Wait i just looked up ameritrash and it includes Twilight imperium, war of the rings AMD the original Dune and you reccomded all of them.
Whats your definition of ameritrash then? This doesnt seem that thematic pvpey.
I actually think it's quite thematic but to me, it's most definitely more on the euro side. (Although those terms have become kinda meaningless nowadays) It's worker placement and no dice.
I think this further emphasizes to me why these terms should just fade away. We've evolved past it.
how i take it. games centered on randomness and not necessarily strategy. distilled: roll dice move around board, winner is the person who rolled the highest numbers.
The terms have definitely degraded over time. TI is Ameritrash but Quacks is a Euro???
@@gregoryford2532 I don't think most people who watch SUSD think of Hasbro games when they think Ameritrash. There's very little in common between Monopoly and Twilight Imperium. I generally think of Ameritrash as typically theme over mechanics and often using dice and maybe more hidden information...but again, I think these are not very useful terms anymore and people should just substitute with more descriptive terms (eg: indirect-conflict, direct-conflict, thematic, etc) because they're no longer shortcuts when everyone has different concepts of what makes one a euro vs ameritrash game. They're antiquated terms in our current landscape.
@@ericreck9347 so is every roll and write game a ameritrash? And every deck builder cause you draw cards?
Is netrunner ameritrash?
I don't fully understand why but 'Herbert Herberberpt' made me laugh very loudly.
Best Matt review, the quirk is in overdrive.
I quite like it and it's in my collection though I only played it once so far due to Covid. It reminds me a good bit of Quinn's favorite Arctic Scavengers which is why I'm so surprised he bounced off it (though that seems to largely stem from the random card selection for him). As a DUNE fan I'm just over the moon to have another good, simpler, game in that setting to play.
Honestly loving that water glass next to the box through the whole video, I just really like geometric glassware.
The first 20 seconds especially of this video were hilarious
We need a return of Matt's cooking segments
4:27 It's ok, Matt. I laughed
I agree with the two or three player recommendation. I'd also say burn the right most card from the deck pool at the end of every round. I like the game so much, I'd even consider doing a draft for a full refresh of the card pool in between each round to add some strategic meat. There's a feature in the app that also adds variability into the game which I'm playing with.
It's a fun game and one of my favorite more recent titles. I'm hoping the new expansion takes it even higher.
Maybe you could've linked this one to Quinn's review of Arctic Scavengers, which is a deckbuilder with conflict. And I know you guys didn't love Lost Ruins of Arnak... Still, good on you Matt for standing up for what you believe.
Very helpful video!
That lamp though!
Finally a Dune review I can relate to...played something about 20 games already and still don´t have enough in our group.
Great review. I love the universe of Dune and this game looks like it does it justice.
Just played this with my friends and loved it. I’m the kind of gamer who wants a mental workout and thinking through all the systems and how they work together and this game really hit the spot.
Loved the honesty in the review and was hilarious.
Best space desserts I've seen for a while. Wanty!
I got this a couple of months ago and love it. I wish I had more people in my immediate circle who were interested in it. I like how other players' decisions affect your options. Making difficult decisions that can affect the outcome of battles makes me feel like a powerful leader. The intrigue cards added an unexpected dimension and made you feel like you're in a turbulent world of cutthroat politics. It has a bit of a leaning curve, but once you get the hang of it, it really moves along, especially with the built-in timer of the conflict cards. I also like how it doesn't have a "screw you" mechanic other than stealing an Intrigue card from an opponent with too many. And that is really just to encourage players to use Intrigues instead of hoard them.
This was a 10/10 for me. I was gushing at how much I loved this while I was playing that I literally went home and bought my own copy.
I teach games to my friends, who are a couple, all the time, and this is the first time in a while that they have liked a game so much they bought a copy after I taught it to them.
Thanks for the most pleasant beep sounds I`ve ever heard. The bar for that isn`t raised that high though.
This is a great game. It can run a bit long though. If you’re not into the sci-fi theme, try Viticulture. I think they feel surprisingly similar.
Played this recently with 3 other people. All 4 of us now own this game...
They LITERALLY put a glass of water on the table when they clearly don't need to drink it ONLY to hurt me in my OCD (right next to another table that they DEFINITELY could put it on)
Hmm. Propheccy of Kings review forgiven. Well done.
The jokes in this are phenomenal. I haven't laughed this hard at one of their videos in awhile.
I second your motion pal. Take some spice for the road. Getting to the sietch can dangerous with the Harkonen patrolling.
I just found your channel, and im fucking love it! Im wathing alot of your videos, and you are great and funny. I do miss review om folklore and shadow of brinstone, keeep it up!!!!!
I like your green lamp!
One of my favorite books
It’s interesting returning to this review with the new one that has come out, mostly for Tom’s change in tune but we don’t know about Quinns and Ava.
Liked the desssert bit!!