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- The award-winning 1980 recording of Brahms' Symphony No. 4 in E minor, Op. 98
Carlos Kleiber / Wiener Philharmoniker
I Allegro non troppo (E minor)
III Andante moderato (E major)
III Allegro giocoso (C major)
IV Allegro energico e passionato (E minor) - เพลง
One of the best recordings of anything of all time.
"...of ANYTHING of ALL time." Absolutely.
Tchaikovski by Mravinski maybe?
I'll be the judge instead. The FINAL arbiter.
Celbidache 1986 version is beyond the Tragedy, no.1 in my mind, the second one is Furtwangler 1943 version, pure Tragedy, others are dwarfs in comparison with these two Titans: one is Zen- Plotinus, the other is a Steiner Theosophist
@@vijinanadu1962 others aren’t dwarfs at all compared to these interpretations. I actually prefer furtwangler’s 1949 Wiesbaden account over his wartime recording. What I don’t understand is how you can think so highly of both of these interpretations at the same time: they are polar opposites. Furtwängler is extremely flexible in his tempi, so he keeps the flow going and knows which passages should be played faster and which should be played slower, celibidache only ever really goes extremely slow or maybe slower than usual. Celibidache keeps the same tempi
Quite simply the best conductor in history let loose on one best pieces ever written. Perfection in every note.
I. Allegro non troppo (00:00)
II. Andante moderato (12:54)
III. Allegro giocoso (24:17)
IV. Allegro energico e passionato (30:27)
The most intense symphony ever written and yet the most colorful ever written. The pallet of colors this orchestra brings to light through this amazing conductor is truly remarkable. Astounding at every level and emotion.
The phenomenal Conductor Carlos Kleiber was a Wizard. This is by far the Best performance of this Magnus Opus by Johannes Brahms. A work to listen forever, among the Best symphonies of all time!!! Brahms + Kleiber were just perfect...
Kleiber's version is was, and still is to this day, my favourite version of this symphony. Kleiber's understanding and ability to conduct the orchestra in this way, is simply magnificent.
I've been searching on TH-cam for hours and I couldn't agree more.
A shame he didn't record more. Both on Brahms and Beethoven.
Try Kertesz . I love both equally .
Kleiber is the best!
@@patrickfisk7344 his admirors shd know he could not.
the best symphony of all the times , for sur , brahms and kleiber are the greatest genious in the music art and nobody can egalize this composition
...after Beethoven's fifth,seventh
and ninth... one of the best
performances of this magnificent
masterwork ever recorded!
After Bruckner's 7th, 8th and 9th, Mahler's 6th and 9th, Sibelius' 4th and 7th, Nielsen's 4th and 5th, and Niculescu's 2nd... among others.
One of the best recordings of all time
What I find most marvelous about this recording is its eminent flexibility. The Master knows exactly where and how much to stretch, when to push forward; all while following the score exactly.
(It goes without saying that the Vienna Philharmonic is by far the best in this music.)
Brilliant... the best version of Brahms' 4th.... thank you.
I totally agree, Kleiber gets right to the emotional core of this great work.
I agree
Sombre, gorgeous, terrifying. The intensity level in this recording is unreal!
And it sounds simply superb on my new hi-fi equipment!!!
That's why I think it was taped here directly from the Deutche vinyl itself.
This wonderful recording was found on a CD in the CD player of Kleiber's car after he had driven from Munich, across the Alps to his little cottage in a Slovenian village - where he died within 24 hours of arriving. He was in his beloved Audi A8 and obviously listening to this music was amongst his last acts. I cannot say how ineffably this moved me when I found it out. I want to be buried with this CD when I die!!!!!
Wow, that is powerful.
thank you for sharing this lovely story of Kleiber.
This interpretation of Brahms 4th is unique indeed. I live in Slovenia few miles from Kleiber's final destination.
Have you been to visit his grave?
Kleiberr iies in grave with his wife, in small village Konjscica, there is remembrance room nearby. Konjscica lies in such a steep mountain environment that it is difficult to imagine how Vienna philharmonic orchestra could come there and perform as they did at the time in honor of his memory. Beautiful environment; his wish was to be buried there with her.
Truly sublime-thank you Carlos Kleiber for the music. R I P.
Best Version ever 👏👏👏👏❤❤❤❤
I cannot manage the number of thanks I must give to the person who uploaded this. To the people who say Kleiber's version is their "favourite"... I must gently correct you: This is the best. This kind of Master-Conductor pair does not happen often. Thank God for Brahms. Thank God for Karl Kleiber.
It's hard to imagine for a classical music lover not to love Carlos Kleiber's interpretation of Brahms' Symphony No. 4.
Mr/Herr Kleiben let us hear a majestic, monumental Brahms with all the power of the elements.
Carlos Kleiber captured the drama and the passion of this piece. Very cinematic. Very motivating. This is the music of a heroic showdown.
Brilliant beyond comparison. Kleiber does not conduct he is a conduit who supernaturally connects with the life force of the composer and channels their intentions through time and space into our lives unlike few have ever done with such honesty and humbleness
I prefer Furtwangler.
ممتعه جدا
Wow I like that description. I often think classical music is a link to the divine where we feel something indescribable
Kathryn Tonelli Very true words. All the great conductors , Bernstein comes to mind who absolutely connect with the life force of the orig composer.
@@richardallen3810 Classical music is linked to the divine where we feel something. Indeed, I feel this thing even though I am Arab and I live in Gaza and suffer from intellectual persecution, yet I live alone in this space feeling that I draw by hearing this classical music, although I hope to hear it while I am in a free country and feel it More
Pleased to know that this jewel is still here to find. What a Performance! I had uploaded this outstanding recording untill I got 470^000 views here on TH-cam - then they took it offline, apparently because of copy-right issues in my country. Thanks!
best Brahms' 4th!!! Carlos Kleiber!!!
My favorite Piece out of all of classical music. This is truly a masterpiece
When I need something perfect, I come here and listen to this masterpiece :) :D
(BTW I'm very happy to have a CD of this recording in my collection)
Carlos Kleiber us one of the most exquisite bowing Maestro unfortunately he doesn't do many lives & recording thank for posting the album
This is the best recording of Brahmus symphony no.4!
WHAT a Performance!
My favorite symphony by my favorite maestro.
Superbe symphonie !
Carlos Kleiber; maestro entre maestros. La mejor versión de ésta obra maestra, Kleiber marca la diferencia. Y pensar que estuvo a punto de quemarse ésta partitura.... xddd! la mejor sinfonia de Brahms.
50 thumbs down! I simply don't understand, because in my opinion this is a superb interpretation of a marvelous symphony.
This is unbelievable. No weak moments at all. So superbly balanced in drama, restrained in a subtle way but so much beauty and sadness leaking through.
jamais je n avais écouté la 4 éme symph de brahms jouée avec une telle magie ,, je me suis laissé emporter dans le rêve qu avais dessinée le maître de hambourg dans ces symph qui lui coûtaient tant d énergie à créer , tout y est concentré perfection , alchimie , osmose , grâce , voyage , rêve , extase onirique que brahms a tant exigé de moi , mais quelle joie , quel amour , la musique avec un grand M
holy smokes this is goooood
Per me è una delle sinfonie più complete, più larghe e emozionanti ....
simply wonderful! Thank you very much Trebonis!
I really love this last symphony of Brahms so much, especially with the great Maestro Kleiber with the VPO in this timeless and unsurpassed beautiful recording. The perfectly balanced and structured sonata-form of the 1st movement, the deep, dark, tragic, highly artistic last movement and the contrast of the sarcastic sherzo... But the most moving part is the very beautiful, gloomy, yet poetic 2nd movemnt, especiall from 20.53 to 24.15.I once uploaded this work in 2009 and got more than 470'000 Viewers. But one day it disappeared from youtube, most certainly because of copyright reasons. Thank you for uploading this masterpiece in the undisputed best Interpretation.
Indeed, the 2nd movement, as it alludes to Schumannesque interludes, is recreated here by Kleiber with poignant attention to each phrase and all those intense exchanges between seemingly conflicting statements...Kleiber appears to stretch the timing, but, actually, he only allows clarity, distinction, the rightful place of the note to assert itself...Here rests Kleiber's unique capacity of penetrating the intent of the composer and, with Brahms, there is such a polyphonic array that only a discerning mind like Kleiber's could render it justice. Sure we would have loved to listen to countless more recordings, but the limited inheritance of his music does not render him at all lazy, G-d forbid, but only selective and we are left at the bequest of Kleiber's own considerate decision as what did appeal to him, what he was convinced that would be a canvas suitable to his creative ethos and for that we must be grateful that he selected what he did....
i can still see your upload, the title is "Brahms Symphony 4 - Carlos Kleiber / VPO (audio)" but it shows for me that it was uploaded in 2011
Dass Carlos Kleiber ein verkörperter Engel war, lässt sich erkennen, wenn man sich eine. Zeitlang in sein Antlitz vertieft. Dann tritt das Engelhafte hervor und erzählt sich selbst. Ab diesem Zeitpunkt beginnt man, die Besonderheiten im Wesen dieses Zauberers der Dirigierkunst zu verstehen.....
Thank you, Trebonis. This is beautiful and profound.
My favorite of the Brahms cycle. It's like he got better and better which each successive work. Brilliant!
I don't know, numbers 2 and 3 seem like lesser works to me than #1, but #4 is on a transcendental level. If only he had written more.... :(
Actually, I cannot choose between all 4 these days. Each is a miracle of compositional ingenuity.
Have you listened to Beethoven's 8th symphony by any chance? Most people prefer the odd numbers. But it is as profound as this last symphony of Brahms. The three B's do it for me, every single time. I'm a pianist, or trying to be one.
Oh no, all four are great, just different. No. 2, for example, is incredibly rich, even though its richnesses may not grip you like the 4th.
@@gayathriparthasarathy9099 Thank you so much for bringing up Beethoven's 8th. I just LOVE that symphony, and I don't understand why it gets so little attention. Have you listened to Beethoven's piano concerti 1 through 5 on youtube with L. Bernstein and Krystian Zimmerman, they are stellar. Beethoven's piano concerto 1 reminds me of symphony 8 because they have this joy, just pure joy. I'm so glad to have met someone on line who also appreciates the 8th. 🙂
pure perfection
i love all music the music is my life
👏👏👏👏👏
Eine der allerbesten
Versions dieser VIERTEN
hat man vergessen:
die unglaubliche Aufnahme
mit dem DIRIGENTEN(!)
FISCHER-DIESKAU/TSCHECHISCHE PHILHAR-
MONIE...bei SUPRAPHON
glaube ich seinerzeit
erschienen...Grandios....
überwältigend was der
Meistersänger hier als
Dirigent bietet!!
너무 아름답고 깊은 고독을 느끼게 하는 곡입니다. 마지막 악장의 휘몰아치는 부분은 카타르시스를 느끼게 합니다. Carlos Kleiber 지휘가 저는 제일 좋아요!
So clear!
very good
some people complain about the scherzo in the third movement. perhaps it is a metaphor of our lives, hope and happiness will come to us whether we want to wallow in melancholy or not.
haha, thank you so much for shedding your light on this! Now I'm stuck with that association and the third movement will never be the same again...
Our President Calvin Coolidge said when you see a trouble coming toward you, quite often the trouble runs into trouble and doesn't reach you. Something like that.
kleiber au sommet de son art
16:37 - possibly the most beautiful melody Brahms ever wrote.
with the flute solo at 33:25 !
Magnifique
Pour moi, voici la meilleure interprétation, moins techniciste que celle de Paul Paray, mais ô combien d'avantage musicale, on y respire, on s'y promène corps et âme, c'est un sommet où tous les pupitres instrumentaux ont leur place , pas de pâte sonore où les oiseaux bloquent au milieu d'un grand arbre, chacun s'entend distinctement les violons laissent passer les vents bois ou cuivres. Quelle harmonie magique et savante bien que très accessible pour l'auditeur, Brahms atteint ici un sommet absolu de l'Art , chapeau bas comme disait Schumann à l'égard du jeune et prometteur Brahms qui advint tel que le laissait déjà entendre ses réalisations de jeunesse......
Por siempre "gracias", a Brahms, al Maestro Kleiber y a Trebonis que comparte este video.
Estupendo.Buen sonido.👀👌🌹🌿🌹🌿🌹🌿🌹🌿
Welch herrliche Interpretation! Nicht zu übertreffen.
As one would've said it, love at first listening
all time legend
Bleibt unübertroffen!
True genius expresses itself in simplicity, not complexity. Like here...
... and like in Stockhausen's klavierstücke, I agree.
I love this too ! LES
Kleiberpersempre 😎
astonishing
Gran versión .
The ending to the first movement was quite a burner. Aggressive tempo.
Brahms best always!
The "problem" with this Brahms's Fourth by Kleiber is that it is SO perfect that the music becomes quite a judgment .....
Others (and among them conductors like Furtwängler or Walter f.ex.) are putting something "more" when they conduct it. Emotion, dream, frustration, hallucination, desire, momentum, anger or delirium ...
This maybe beautiful, but Kleiber is only giving the pure, pure music out of the score ... and this is so definitive .. this is destiny, fatum.
This is haunting to me. When I am by my dishwashing machine I am hearing this in my head. When I give some food to my dogs, this music is tsumically invasive in me. This is not sweet, not nice, this is definitive, like my own coming death.
Wow! I like that statement!!! (Besides, I really understand what you mean - memento mori... "Denn alles Fleisch, es ist wie Gras"...) Just that first movement. I don't think I've heard anything like it, ever. Yet I'm a professional violinist and I have played the piece in many different orchestras over the years. This really is something, truly, out of the ordinary! Exactly as you say, strangely objective, yet not devoid of any emotion whatsoever, they're just so far away... yet, again, and again as you say, haunting... As though Brahms had taken opium while reading Edgar Poe... Nevermore... Last but not least: What an orchestra, and only men, can you believe it! Only objection: The brass chorale in the last movement is a bit too prosaic and dry. Schade, in an otherwise brilliant recording. All this praise lavished on the performance, I'm not sure Brahms would have quite recognized his own work... Food for thought, perhaps.
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Thank you, Lars, for your kind comment.
I agree with you on all matters.
(but perhaps just one thing : Brahms was so pessimistic, so depressive and lost that I am believing that he would have been as much destroyed as us listening to this .... this version is indeed the fruit of three suicides : Erich Kleiber, his wife and Carlos; charming, isn't it ? ... )
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher Very astute observation. Brahms himself would have been scared to stare death in the eye like this. Yet, the music speaks. Indeed, they were all suicidal (I mean not Brahms, but the rest) , and it is more than fitting that this recording, allegedly, was found in Carlos' Audi, that he demanded as remuneration for a concert, at the moment of his own demise. Dear Fritz, I sincerely believe you hit the head of the nail! This said, I hope Kleiber included the Vienna Philharmonic in his will, because that was the only orchestra, in the world, which truly loved and understood him. I suppose you're more than familiar with this: th-cam.com/video/vPNDjiem27M/w-d-xo.html
And may I add, that it is very rare indeed, to meet such a candid, intelligent, sensitive, and sincere voice over the internet. I truly wish you well!
@@leoblum0631 that was an interesting response in an interesting conversation. You are a professional violinist, I feel honored to communicate with you on line. I'm just re entering my Brahms phase. My father LOVED this piece so it brings a bit of sadness. I can't seem to get away from Beethoven, no matter what I listen to it plays over and over in my head. Kleiber is exquisite!! But when I listen the Beethoven I can't keep still!. Enough for now, I want to broaden my musical horizons. Thanks
Is this the version from the Deutsche Grammophon? I mean, do you recorded this from the vinyl record or from where do you got it?
It is from the Deutshe label. They also have cd s and tapes of the original vinyl version. I've heard the vinyl version in my Uncle's house, and I think it is from there directly.
Bravo
Love too much♥
“SUBLIME”
Karajan's rendition is second only to Kleiber's I think. Stunning recording...
I liked Karajan's fourth movement of this symphony. Poor recording though- not with this superb stereo phone recording.
I prefer this, by many degrees. Karajan's is too heavy for my taste, while this has the perfect balance of weight and lightness.
For me Brahms inhabits my very being and I have heard this symphony performed many times and have listened to countless recordings. Of course listening is subjective, but I will weigh in here since I know this music so well. This rendition, while commendable, for me, is not the definitive version. Bernard Haitink gets honorable mention here for his wonderful performances of all the Brahms symphonies with the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra, The Boston Symphony Orchestra and the London Philharmonic. On TH-cam there is an excellent performance of Haitink leading the Chamber Orchestra of Europe at the Proms. Not his best, but it does illustrate his personal stamp on the 4th. But heads above all versions is the 1958 recording by Charles Munch and the Boston Symphony Orchestra also on TH-cam. I do not think the Wiener Philharmoniker in the Kleiber version is quite up to the task. Some may not like the Munch version because of the fast tempo. While Haitink's tempo is a slight bit slower the phrasing by both conductors is outstanding, providing refreshing and innovative interpretations.
Not so much Munch's fast tempo as his wayward tempo! There is no denying the BSO commitment to this ultimate classical symphony, but its tragic romanticism calls out for a firm hand on the tempi to save it from indulgence, and this is what for me Kleiber achieves in spades, but what lets Munch down IMHO - the great 4th movement passacaglia doesn't need to be a crescendo as well!
Thanks for sharing your views. I just listened to Haitink's BBC version and found it very convincing, detailed and refined. Now listening to Munch, but with all my limits I didn't find it so special,. Not because of tempo, but in some critical at least to me) parts, because of "tension" or a slight lack of. Of course, to each its own..!
in the 1950's,Eugen Jochum
recorded the four symphonies.
I like his readings very much.
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@@fgiord8fgg I forgot about Jochum. I have him conducting Brahms 3 and Mahler 1 I think. They are very good performances.
Die beste vierte!
And 4th is the best of best.
Брависсимо!
I had it on LP.
I'm jealous
I listened to this in comparison with the Furtwangler 1943 performance also on YT. It became clear that Kleiber seems to be constantly holding back the orchestra, perhaps to extract the last drop of emotional juice. But it doesn't work. Furtwangler obtains even greater passion and intensity but without sacrificing dynamism. Or perhaps Kleiber's orchestra were just feeling a touch sleepy that day?
Who came here from book "Fundamentals of Musical Composition"?
This is among the top three greatest symphonies ever written. It's close between this one, Beethoven's 7th and Dvorak's New World Symphony. Brahms had more of a knack for melody writing than Beethoven. He had more feeling in his music, while Beethoven was more of a technician. Beethoven's 5th is exciting, to be sure, but it's rough on the ears. Brahms also wrote the greatest violin concerto, even better than Beethoven's.
I absolutely agree with this assessment of Brahms’ 4th Symphony; it is truly a masterpiece and without question one of the finest pieces of music in the entire classical repertoire. The 4th is truly special. The more one listens to Brahms, the more the music comes to life as one is pulled into this composer’s brilliant melodies and complex rhythms! Kleiber's DGG recording is excellent and nearly perfect, even though the recording's sound quality seems slightly muted at times. The trade-off for this emotional performance is worth it, and many critics believe this to be one of the finest classical recordings ever made.
Beethoven's 5, listen to Celibidache, he actually tells us it is the Fate of Musical Messiah, Beethoven is like Moses, reluctantly accepted the Mandate from God, from 5 on, he take up the Mission of spreading spirituality amongst humanity. Only Celi knew it is so.
I would add Tchaikovsky's 6th as being up there, and also Bruckner's 7th. I disagree with you about the Brahms violin concerto being better than the Beethoven.
I feel sadness 😌😔☝️
Cum este posibil să băgați reclame politice la concerte simfonice??? Vreau Brahms, nu să ascult aberațiile lui Ludovic Orban.
0:02 is a good place to start.
Kleiber did the symphony with the Bayern Staatsorkester, or something like that, and the players could not keep up with Kleiber's energy. Plus, the technical level was nowhere near the WPO, or BPO. Whatever. It happens.
something like that. aye. och aye.
I seriously doubt your claim. The Bayerische Staatsorchester is a world-class orchestra. Its members could easily follow Carlos. Whether they'd all like his interpretations is another matter. But just listen to the BSO under Carlos playing Brahms's #2 and LvB's 4, 6, and 7. Outstanding.
10:33 ! Entends-tu la véritable PUISSANCE ? 11:16 !
Постер пркраснный, но предпочитаю слушать и смотреть, как дирижирует Карлос Клайбер, а если не видеть, то , лично, для меня , а я не музыкант, только большой поклоник , то звучание оркестра одинаково, кто бы им не дирижировал.
Интересно наблюдать, как получается ВОЛШЕБСТВО.🙏🌹🌹🌹🌹🙏
Scrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrra papapapa
Hallo Koordinate
Brahms 4 + Kleiber = Emc2
1:41, 8:58
This pic looks like somebody carved a seagull out of a rock
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I like herbert von karajan's version more
Well, then, why are you listening (and commenting) here???
@@CLASSICALFAN100 Surely, he has every right to be here, listen, and then comment.
Não amo a música de b .
I prefer Lorin Maazel version
what is your rationale for this mistaken opinion, please?
not prefer. Equal to. In a different interpretive way. Both are amazing performances. Didn't like Solti's performance, Bernstein's is way too fast first movement especially.
Maazel 1975/76 with Cleveland is very good, though emotional express less subtle than Kleiber in 1st movement, overall flow is better and modern, I prefer Maazel a bit more too.
Maazel and Kleiber are very good, but I personally would most prefer Furtwangler 1943 with Berliner.
In my opinion, Kleiber interpretation is a bit too heavy and indulgence and would make me a bit sick if I listen to it continuously for 2 times.
Haha, Maazel is a bit better.
I personally most prefer furtwangler 1943 with BPO.
12/15 December 1943
dommage... une qualité minable.
Kleiber's conducting is obviously faultless, but the composition itself is honestly mediocre. Its probably just my preference for strong and clear melodies, but Brahm's style sounds to me more like a hastily put together mess of notes than anything else.
edgy fucked.....madman
+perl man I think it's an incredibly foolish stance to assume that "classical" music (with quotation marks as classisim itself is merely a period in the tradition of western art music, with Brahms himself belonging to the late romantic period) is good by definition. In fact, I would dare say that not unlike any other genre of music 99% of all produced art music is ranged quality-wise from utterly forgettable to average. Regardless, concerning any piece that I'm not impressed by I still go my way to explain my subjective stance with dignity if honesty. And if you are offended by that then I'm afraid you completely deserve it my dear sir.
I wouldn't be bothered to click it as I'm not in the business of listening opinions outsourced to people who actually have them in order to actually articulate. Regardless, in the matter of liking or disliking music I leave the judgement with unbreakable trust to my own ears and absolutely nothing or no one else.
at least delve a bit into KNOWLEDGE..."hastily put together", you haven't a clue...it took Brahms nearly five years to complete it...We are outlining here considered opinions on music we know, not spewing out all kinda pathological states of mind totally unrelated to the purpose of this site. We are discussing music here, not schizzoid events...
I thought the same the first few times I listened to it, but the more I listened to it the more I was able to grasp the underlying structure. If you haven't had a chance to listen to it more than a few times, then do - you'll be rewarded!