I’m hoping they have so much evidence against this guy that he will plea to life in prison which will spare the families of having to go through a trial..
Hundreds of photos on their social media accounts of these young people posting their good time is a draw for criminals. An easy way for a predator to stalk a future victim. So frightening for these kids when their life is all over social media.
Totally agree Pauline. The thing is with cameras, cell phone tracking, dna etc. Its tougher for criminals to get away with it. I enjoy the criminals with visible tattoos!
@@CowneloAlvaroid I think it would be a draw due to the fact that they are having such a good life, lots of friends, posting all the good stuff - the person viewing this , sitting at home , no friends, no social life - would be envious of this posted stuff , if that makes sense He would be jealous, wants to wipe that smile off their face.
If they know he threw his garbage into the neighbors garbage that means they have it. I’ll bet you there’s more there to incriminate him. Great police work he was under surveillance !
@@mariapilarme Yes, LE already recovered it, mostly the cleaning materials from the car as reported, all the DNA, packaged up ready to ship to the lab.
It's terrifying to think such evil exists in our world...the scariest monsters of all are those that resemble humans. They may strike anytime, anywhere. Look after each other.
True. In high school I used to get a ride home with a guy I worked with. He was weird, but I thought nothing of it. He ended up abducting a girl at the mall by hiding in a dressing room after hours and driving her behind the airport and murdering her in a horrifying and disgusting way. I had a breakdown.
I agree with this. This, I think, is what happened when I had a stalker. Whatever he thought happened between us--it didn't. I hardly knew him at all. he was a neighbor's boyfriend--HE, somehow, in his diseased brain, thought it was something. Finally, the police caught him in the act. They caught him in my yard. I had fencing, gates! A little dog that would wake me! When he was released from jail (almost a year later), I moved. Of course, there was a lot more to this story: a lot of damage, broken lights I had installed, broken fencing etc., all kinds of crazy, odd things. At first I didn't take it seriously, then it began to terrify me. I hadn't had a full nights sleep in almost a year. That night, early morning, really--finally--my little dog woke me at 2:00 AM (the stalker's favorite time, apparently) and my sweet little dog probably did save my life (she lived until she was 19. She was my guard dog until she died). I called, and the police got there in time. The Stalker was escalating. That is what the Judge felt. I had to go talk to the DA. Someone like this--anything triggers them. It doesn't take much. Pay attention, OK? These people are out there.
Glad you are safe now but I know you are still dealing with this. So many sick men out there. Several in my state of male neighbors kidnapping and/or murdering women they stalked for a period of time. Can't even go about your life w/out some man planning harm because his life is worthless. Disgusting.
I agree. Speaking as a once controlling male I can say with confidence that he felt a stronger bond to one of these females. She probably was completely unaware of this. He acted on rage due to perceived rejection. Other deaths were not planned but a problem he had to deal with. DM was either unseen or he assumed there'd already been a 911 call and was getting out of there. This would also explain him returning to the location as nothing was going on there many hours later. To his bewilderment. A crime of one way passion. Insanity. But driven by many years of insecurity and rejection with women. There are no excuses for this mindless act. None at all..........
I can def see that. A possible scenario I thought of was the killer going in after 1 of the 2 girls in the same bed. He wasn’t anticipating 2 and ended up killing both ? :( .. i don’t think he was anticipating 4 being awake. Either way… senseless and horrific. I hope he gets the death penalty. Something tells me he’s never going give a motive.
"Speaking as a once controlling male" LOOOOOOOL That was the first time i've seen such a retrd comment. HOLY SHEEET. Congratulations. i'm laughing so hard for your stupidd comment ahhahahaha
@@RyanSmith-uw2ni I struggle to understand how people think they are fair and unbias, yet condemn a person for how they look. Every single building block of bigotry is flowing in this comment section.
@@Hoffmanpack former, cause imagine you're a hot 20 year old girl and not an obese stalker , she had a bunch of other creepy English degree nerds hitting on her hourly . I went to an AA meeting in Langley , it was full of angry freakishly smart white and black guys with extra large heads acting and talking like smart white know it alls. Black dudes were acting whiter than me . Actually it would be a good comedy bit for a comedian to attend.
No, the eyewitness, Dylan, did NOT "see him walking out of the house." She saw him pass by her as he walked towards the sliding door, but she had no way of knowing if he left the house or left and came back in, for that matter, because she closed her bedroom door before she could see for sure. Get your facts straight.
The killer was very likely surprised Ethan was there as well as the friend of the girl upstairs. His target had to be the girl that was still living there upstairs, and she probably was attacked first. The visiting girlfriend was next, she was collateral damage. The other surprise for him was that Xana, and maybe Ethan, we’re awake having just gotten DoorDash. Killer likely went after Ethan 3rd, maybe Ethan was still asleep or very drunk, can’t see him easily losing a fight to the killer. Then Xana was last. Killer was likely panicked by this time, too many surprises and he had been in the house way longer than he planned, so he likely hurried by DM, either not noticing her or not caring.
Maybe, maybe. But the way the Feds are defending the investigation and demanding an apology for the slightest criticism makes me wonder if the suspect was their man for a study on serial murderers. Or maybe I have eaten too much cheese.
Maddie was attacked first, it seems. His knife sheath was found right next to her body. I'm still not sure that Kaylee wasn't his primary target, though. Remember, she was posting photos to social media all day. We saw her do it at the grub truck even. So he knew she was in Moscow, and heading back home with Maddie. And she was attacked more brutally than Maddie. She was also the one who was about to leave for a new job, and I'm sure he knew that from her social media. That would have been a big trigger. The target leaving the area is the classic trigger for the stalker to escalate.
@@automnejoy5308the last sentence of your comment is so true. I remember this terrible story where a girl was a law student in Georgia and one of her classmates was stalking her. He eventually killed her right after they graduated and before she was about to move on with life. 😢 definitely seems like this could’ve been a motive towards Kaylee. We’ll see.
@@brittney1591 Lauren Giddings, yes. The vile POS who stalked and murdered her actually outed himself in an interview. You can see him panicking when he learns that the trash pickup was a day later than he thought.
A neighbor said the front door was wide open early that morning around 8AM….so there is something else the police are keeping from us. He came and went from sliding doors.
I wish the timeline was more specific. Exactly when did Door Dash arrive? To the front or back entrance? Who went to meet the driver, and how long would the transaction take? Was the killer watching this? Probably not from the outside. He'd know someone was awake. He'd call it off. THEORY: he was already inside when the food arrived; he was on the third floor killing K and M.He went to the window when the delivery car pulled up. Someone else is awake, this is not the plan. He panics and forgets the sheath. He was planning to leave but X is in the kitchen blocking his escape. Now he's frantic to just escape and has to kill X and E to do it. IMO the food delivery was an unanticipated event that ruined the plan to leave after murdering M and K. It's troubling that a student would come to learn that he has the qualities to plan and get away with murder. By nature humans are not perfect and not capable of perfect planning. All the studying and he didn't learn that? FAIL !
Good theory. I too felt that was possible, that he was in the house already when the food came. It supposedly arrived at 4 am. Not sure if at front door or back slider. Was probably dropped off and left outside and Xana was notified. Either way she had to leave her room to grab the food, if she did . She was then on Tik Tok at 4:12. BK left by 4:20 I believe. BK’s vehicle was seen as early as 3:30 driving on King’s Rd so he definitely was there before the food came. Remember DM heard a voice say someone is here. Was it referring to the food guy? Or was that one of the roommates startled? Maybe he didnt’ plan on X and E but when trying to leave they saw him? I just can’t explain how other roommates wouldn’t hear that. Ugh
Good theory....I may add here that before publishing the affidavit which includes the time line, my speculation was that Bryan entered the house and hid somewhere while the 4 victims were still outside... maybe he was hiding under K and M's bed waiting for them to arrive and start to sleep, and maybe this was an easy silent murder, later the noise was with E and X.
I disagree that Kohberger doesn’t look the part. Plenty of killers don’t look the part; Chris Watts looked basic. Kohberger has crazy eyes and looks nuts.
In his sick mind he had too.. There was very little chance kaylee or Maddie would let him into thier circle... So he took the stalking route.. Then for the thrill of the kill, he concluded that these girls are the perfect victims... It's sad that his actions will make it even more difficult for otherwise good hearted men to get to know women..
@@briansprdr for sure. He looks good on paper. I don’t think he would’ve been their style. When you’re 20, 28 is much older. Plus he was peculiar. He was a tough grader, acted belligerently towards women in bars. Even though his unsuspecting dad, during the car stop seemed so proud. His son looked freaked out knowing what he’d done. Anyway he never would’ve been in their circle. I studied psychology and criminal justice in Manhattan in John Jay. Something like this would never have crossed my mind in a million years. And obviously didn’t help him pull off the perfect crime. I’ve studied all the infamous serial killers. I knew the Det that caught Son of Sam. They all were all flawed, personality flawed. But thank goodness for today’s technology. They would have all been caught sooner. And even this wasn’t fast enough.
@@gokissasickmonkeyswetass dead in the eyes, no emotion, the way he holds himself. itd be interesting to see a lineup of people with one unknown killer and try to pick them out just based on looks. see how many people get it right.
Depends where he was looking and how light it was. She obviously got a good look at him so I don’t know how he didnt see her but it could have been his adrenaline and needing to get out quick. I just don’t know why he chose the ones he did. Two others unscathed. They are very lucky.
114 comments and not a damn soul is adult enough or smart enough or courageous enough to say the truth; like they were kids partying constantly and their parents should have done a better job. There will always be killers, all one can do is prepare their kids to be sober and vigilant none of which happened here. This should be a warning to parents everywhere yet no one is talking about how to deter this sort of hell. Great work folks.
Idaho student killing suspect Bryan Kohberger 'profiled' as a female hating young man with O.C.D. peculiarities and is a 28-year-old post graduate student at Washington State. Exhibits classic symptoms and habits of borderline personality disorder (BPD) that impacts the way he thinks and feel about himself and others, causing problems functioning in everyday life. It includes self-image issues (Undead Chronic?), difficulty managing emotions and behavior, and a pattern of unstable relationships. Likely a 'rage' or revenge incident motivated by bad interaction with one or more of the women. It is not known at this point if he is MGTOW. As with many MGTOW, likely a childhood trauma (i.e. Mother had an affair, bullied by a babysitter, etc ) triggers the RAGE AGAINST FEMALES later in life.
Being athletic is different to physical strength and males are different in that strength. What were the victims able to do with a sicko with a ka bar knife coming at you???? We don't know how many were awake/ sleep. I just watched a documentary were a guy was working in a gas station and he was attacked by a female with a gun, knocked the gun out of her hand and as he was on the floor she stabbed him fatally and cops said he had no chance and bled out. That bi*Ch was about 6ft tall and prob weighed 150lbs like a stick. BK is no stick but ain't no bodybuilder either.
You can never be too safe! It's when you're distracted, drinking, doing drugs, or occupied with life and not aware of your surroundings that bad things happen! I was the victim of sexual assult as a college age woman! Since then I have been ultra aware of things around me! I have witnessed an almost abduction of a young girl that 2 men were trying to get in their car! She knew my husband lived close and asked him to take her home! CRIMES HAPPEN EXTREMELY FAST! HOLD ON TIGHT TO THOSE YOU LOVE! DON'T TRUST ANYONE!
I think he did it to feel, to experience taking a life for himself. I think he may be a person whom killing excites and he totally enjoyed it. I’m not sure he went in to kill more than one but had to kill 2 because the girls were in the same bed. I think he killed the other two because maybe Ethan confronted him on his way out. I think he’s just evil and would have killed again if given the chance
I think he went in to kill one and got in over his head because if the plan was four that's typically a next level investigation. If he knew 62 FBI agents were going to be dissecting this case he would have thought twice about it.
As an armchair detective, I may say that when a psychopathic guy has a crush on a girl and fell in love but the girl turned him down and rejected him, his love transform into tremendous hate and his urge to get her as lover become more desperate to a degree relative to how much he wants her, if it is too strong, then the hate will be so strong as well, and it adds to it more heat if it involves embarrassment before her friends, he will get into a situation telling himself, if I can't get her, nobody will, then he may go into extreme sort of revenge, I have seen recently two similar cases like that and both cases the girls murdered by stabbing, that is why this case might be similar but with additional 3 people happened to be in his way to his target.
In addition for more explanation, those two cases happened in sight of tens of witnesses in public, in the daytime, means they know beforehand that their chance of getting away is 0%, but still they did it... first one did it in busy street full of bystanders, the other one did it as emitation to the first guy, after 2 to 3 weeks, both confessed, and both sentenced to death penalty, still in appeal stage in the high courts to decide the final judgment.
Basically yes. He puts her up on a pedestal in his mind hoping she will see and appreciate his noble true love ( fantasy in his mind ). She rejects him and he unconsciously is playing God, rejected he tears down the pedestal / alter he built he destroys his creation, God is displeased with his sinful rebellious creation. He is queen maker greater than the queen. The victim has no idea he has been playing out this warped Shakespearian drama in is warped mind.
@@CatDaddySteve yeah, exactly, and the shocking reality to some commenters here that the girls were very nice and very polite in their rejection of those guys proposals, something like you are very nice person but I'm not thinking of marriage now, I want to finish my studies first...
Beautiful, young, innocent, and promising kids. They have their lives ahead of them. This monster took their lives. I can't wrap my head around a reason. 💔
He is young too and he also destroyed his life as well. None of it makes sense. I don’t know if I want to understand it because it’s not the actions of a sane person but it is so frustrating that these things happen and for what?
Dad of victim: "He doesn't 'LOOK' like someone who would do this" Me: Ummm, sir... He looks EXACTLY like someone who would do this! I think it's time for an eye exam!!! Or, at the very LEAST go and do a historical review of serial deleter mugshots for comparative reference!!!!!!
There's a lot of reasonable doubt. Their star witness has not called 911 to this day. Someone else called. A vegan with a leather sheath. Sold, stolen or that could have been planted on a single bed, with 2 victims bleeding for 8 hours. Their bloods not on it? In affidavit even police said cell data says Brian's cell was near the crime scene on Nov. 14th, but police said he was not. Police said daily that the car was a 2011-2013. Did they change the year to fit this guy? A guy close to his father & family? A guy that's a teacher? Kids that went and partied at the house wore Van shoes. Dylan wore Van shoes. Really think this student would pick the night Ethan's jeep is there & a Door Dash guy in the driveway? Come on man. This dude is smarter than that. Bryan's neighbor said she saw a girl with him. Maybe the girl lives near the crime scene. Maybe the girl is Dylan.
@@RyanSmith-uw2niGood points. This is why I am torn. After reading the affidavit and seeing a timeline of the events I just can’t believe or understand why he picked that night, the timing the ease he had of getting in and out quickly. It’s almost like someone told him when to get there except when he did food was being delivered and Ethan was there. I am not going to point fingers because I know we don’t have all the evidence in front of us but I just have so many questions.
This whole thing is so sad. Why take the lives of these kids. RIP to all the victims. My heart truly breaks for them. Please always be aware of your surroundings. Jesus Christ loves you all. ✝️❤️
Sad? No it’s not Dying without Jesus Christ no one rests in peace and THAT is the only tragedy- it has eternal consequences that the world - like yourself have no inkling about
I agree with most of this but one thing to be aware of is that the affidavit does not say where Dylan was that night and it does not say when she got home. So this lady assuming quite a bit here when she says she knows how it is to be 20 and arriving home at 2am. When I was 20 and arriving home at 2:00am I wasn’t waking up from noises like someone playing with a dog and I wasn’t getting out of bed to look out my door when I heard noises. Those actions sound like a person in a relatively clear state of mind
Good catch. I assumed Dylan and Bethany were together at the sorority function but the PCA only mentions Bethany at the function seeing X and E there. I wonder when she arrived home that night.
Maybe Bethany revealed a lot to detectives about BK, most probably about his motives, that is why they kept her in the shadows till the trial starts.... I'm guessing.
She's lying if I heard someone breaking in or crying I would have called the police but she didn't, they first said that the kids were killed while they slept, now something else is being said. SMH
He has a lost look on his face in all his pictures without usually smiling, and when he does try to smile a picture, it’s a fake smile, because there are no creases beside his eyes
He has crazy eyes , a mean zipper like mouth and flared nostrils which says, he is just mean, on top of being a psycho. No compassion, no remorse, just trying to save his ass. He will appear congenial to authorities and wants to also appear smart, clever , well organized. These are natural phobias for these freaks. The cops know that. He is playing the game of an innocent guy.....
Is this guy a ninja ? I don’t understand how he went inside this house with all these people in there and kill 4 people with a knife and nobody heard anything and he just walked away …..professional assassin in the movies can’t do this. I feel bad for the parents of all the victims in this. What is going on in this world 😢
There was plenty of noise, captured on the neighbours CCTV and also as stated by Dylan, the witness in the house. Thing is, it looks as if this wasn't unusual for a Saturday night in that house.
The killer, is in very good shape. Read about him, and how he transformed his once 300 pound body. These 4 unfortunate, sweet, unsuspecting people, were deeply asleep. If not, one can still say they certainly didn't expect this murderous attack. The last thing on THEIR minds. They had been partying, and I think, perhaps drinking heavily. Maybe they had dabbled in some drugs, as young people can do on a weekend. It happens on holidays and weekends all over America. Did you miss that right of passage? It has happened, and continues to happen. Partying: they are young. It's not a sin. Remember being young? I do. I didn't do a lot of things I am ashamed of, but there are a few times, like any college student, I could have done better. All that is forever sealed. These 4 young people didn't stand a chance with this murderous guy (who was in good shape, as I mentioned) and his Ka-Bar knife. He had been to that house before, I think. He knew exactly what he was doing. HE hadn't been partying (who in the hell would party with this freeky guy, anyway), I can bet he wasn't drunk, nor had he imbibed in a little cannabis. Most likely he had practiced this attack one way or another's. He was obviously on a mission. He was also full of terrible rage. Not trying to be mean, but these are my thoughts.
What DM said does not make sense. Was there no loud scream, or did she not hear loud scream? Xana was awake, and either K or M or both were also awake at the time (Xana got food and was on TikTok at 4:12am, and DM heard K/M talking). So 1 or 2 or 3 girls were awake. When the killer comes to kill them, they fought back (cops said there were defense wound). It is not logical that the girls didnt scream and fought hard. (girls can scream loud even fighting with bf...). So DM was awake the whole time (opened door 3 times) and she didnt hear any loud scream, or any fighting, or any commotion? but DM heard conversations and crying...but no loud scream at all when 4 people were killed (some of whom were awake and defending themselves). That dont make sense at all. And killer did all this well under 8 min. Xana was on Tiktok at 4:12am, and video captured car at 4:20am. So he killed 4 people, in 2 rooms, on 2 floors, then gets out, gets in car, drives off...all this under 8 minutes....
I agree Dylans story doesn't make any sense. But others will cry n say "you're victim blaming " even tho Dylan wasn't one of the victims, she was one of the 2 survivors
Yep. That is what I don’t get either. I need it to make sense. The house isn’t that big. Now that we know all these people were awake, unless the talking DM heard from K and M’s rooms was really BK up there, I still don’t know how she missed the two on her level being attacked. Then to see someone walk by her she didn’t know wearing a mask, she just goes into her room and locks the door? Not text to the others in the house? Then the next day not calling 911 until so late its just crazy. I hope it all can be explained.
He might murdered Kylee and Maddie in third floor first, between 4:00 and 4:12, then murdered Xana and Ethan in second floor between 4:12 and 4:20, including getting in, getting out, and driving his way out of the parking... and I don't think DM had any idea what was going on, she won't go to sleep at all in this house if she knew that her housemates have been murdered, no one can sleep knowing that there are 4 murdered a few feet away from her room.
DM apparently heard no screaming, no cries for help, didn’t see blood on the killer as he was leaving or a knife, so it would seem she likely didn’t realize what had happened, but did lock her door out of common sense seeing a stranger walking around the house. Probably not the first time she saw a strange male in the house at night or heard Maddie playing with her dog at night or someone crying for some reason, I lived in a frat and stuff was always going on and you learn to tune it out.
Maybe their larynx was sliced before they could scream?.. if they screamed the neighbors security should have picked it up if it caught the thud sound and dog barking.
Why is he allowed to enter a courtroom without handcuffs. Any other high profile suspect would have been shackled He could have attacked that woman . That is crazy.
Yes I noted that too . Just looking at him he looks like someone who would do this . His eyes are soulless , his expression . A real psycho . I hope and pray he does not get off . But I would not be surprised if he does . As mentioned why isn’t he in chains ? Why does he have the best possible public defender assigned to him ? It’s said his defense lawyer has a better record than the prosecutor. Why are they accommodating his vegan diet request ? Really he just butchered four people ! Our society now honors the criminals instead of the victims . It’s a tragedy because it should be about punishing criminals not getting them off by any means .
If this man is responsible for this (my opinion is yes) let's pray the evidence is so incriminating and continues to make him look incompetent that he pleads guilty. This will be eating at him every moment in that cell, he will be reliving it his head not so much for what he supposedly did but for his failures and mistakes. This will be mental torture for him IMO
I think he wanted to be on both of the sides of the investigation. As the main suspect and as the investigator. I wouldn't doubt if he took part in podcasts even theory videos he wanted to be in the FBI and a police officer. I believe there was an instance where a fire chief set fires to multiple businesses and then went in as an investigator afterwards.
There is no rational explanation for irrational and insane behavior. Clearly this guy went off the deep end, lost touch with reality, and just snapped and probably had this sick fantasy in his head - People do not need to have a motive when they are insane. He may not be legally insane by definition but lets face only a nut case could do something like this.
He watched them at the restaurant where two are servers, and the other two could have been visiting their friends there. Madison Mogen and Xana Kernoodle were servers at the Mad Green restaurant. The restaurant posted how much of a loss it is and how the young women will be missed. I looked up the restaurant and it advertised it's Vegan options. Brian Koberger is Vegan he could have followed the two college students, then saw Kaylee Goncalves, and Ethan Chapin. My personal thoughts are he became fixated on Kaylee Goncalves. She is someone he could never get to date him or go out with him and the others were living the lives he always wanted to live. So My opinion it was rage, anger, hate, envy and a curiosity to find out what it felt like to murder people. I believe he wanted to understand himself and his compulsions and thoughts so he went into that field of study and also put out the post asking for killers to respond in his study/disguised need to understand himself. So very complex reasons. But I am not privy to anything other than what people have posted or talked about. May all of his victims rest in peace. May God comfort the families, and may they receive some measure of justice. Sadly nothing can bring back the children they love.
I wonder if he knew if Kaylee was leaving the next day? It makes sense if she was the target that he had to do it that night..now or never.. that might have been his thought…he may have tried to get her another way too before that. Maybe another time another day. That’s why her and Maddie said they had a stalker.
The only way we are ever going to know a motive is if a plea deal is reached and he is forced to tell all in exchange for the death penalty being thrown out.
I'm thinking he wanted to do this to someone, so he looked for his targets. He hated what they represented. Pretty, happy, popular...He wasn't that. Moscow put a little distance from his home. He saw the girls at the Madd Greek. Figured out their names and looked them up on social media. I wonder how he learned their last names.
I speculated that Kohberger may have attended a party at the house and may have creeped out people and got rejected while there. The problem with this speculation is that no one has come forward and said anything like, "Yeah, I remember him. He was really a creepy guy. No one at the party liked him." But I still wonder if he was familiar with the layout of the house. If so, how?
That is a good speculation, keeping in mind the difference in age between him and those colleges students, normally those in age of 20, 21, will look at 28 guy as an old alien to party with them, even if he wasn't creepy.
Sadly, just having an address will show the inside & outside layout of tons of properties and homes with pictures online. An example of that is Zillow. It also doesn't help when so many are on social media posting so many videos and picture inside their residence and even their bedrooms. I cringe with worry every time I see people and especially young pretty girls so unaware of what they are "sharing" with the world by doing that! In fact, several years ago I seen a few distance relatives' teen girls in another State posting their 'complaints' about their city bus schedules, where they worked and even were taking pics of walking home by themselves and having to be alone for a few hours when they got home! I freaked out so much for them that I created a fake account to teach them a lesson by acting like a 'creeper' for a few days before I told them who I was! Luckily I felt at least for both of them, it worked because they immediately removed all private info and haven't posted anything personal about themselves since. We really need to start having Public Service Announcements and drilling into everyone's heads that people online can be anyone out there and are NOT our "friends"!
Her theory about him stalking one of them after casual contact does nothing to answer the question of why/motivation. lol. Motivation would be something like he hated women or had ongoing murder fantasies. Her theory is more a timeline theory than motivation.
Maybe Bryan was jealous of Ethan. Ethan had a steady girlfriend, lot of friends, in a fraternity, etc.. That picture of the students taken shortly before their murders shows Ethan surrounded by five pretty girls. I bet that would infuriate a narcissist like Bryan.
True but he has his own school that he attends. Why was BK so obsessed with University of Idaho? Unless something just happened to set him off and he couldn’t let it go
It's a probability, but unlikely to be strong motive enough to risk doing it, it has to be stronger emotional reason, one of those girls rejected his advances to her especially if it includes insults to his narcissistic personality.
@@amandasmith7323 generally men would prefer to approach single girl, he will have better chances to get her, but a girl with a boyfriend in her age is a very difficult near to impossible to get her attention. Most of girls are loyal to whom they love..
@@amandasmith7323 if you read my comment on this video regarding two murder cases happened last summer in Egypt, both were against a girl who rejected advances or proposals of marriage to a psychopathic guy, it turns him nuts literally... one case both was same age around 21, the other case the guy was 21, the girl was few months older... I think age of 21 is too dangerous... but this case in Idaho he is 28... if you read that comment it might gives you more detailed explanation of my assumptions regarding this case.
Where's the blood? Young Girl gave a very detailed description, right down to the perp's eyebrows, yet no mention of blood? You just butchered four people in 15 min. the black clothes he had on should have been red, bright red, rivers of blood would've covered that boy's body, yet she never mentioned any blood?Just said he was dressed in black!
This is incredibly scary! Something similar as far as a stalker happened to me when I was in my mod 20s and I talked to some guy checking out the house next door to me. He said, “are you the one who put the ad for the house in the paper?” And I said “no”. (The neighbors seemed to have a hard time finding a renter for some time.) Well after that one encounter I started seeing the same white car circle and circle my block and my mail started going missing and i started getting hang up calls (from my missing phone bill this psycho got my phone number!) and eventually the dude broke in while I was sleeping! I know this because he did the hang up call thing a couple times that night and when i woke up my broken TV was the only thing missing and my bedroom door was open which was always closed. Also my back door to my home was open as well! I couldn’t live there anymore after that…
I know someone many years ago who went to Gainesville to college. She said she had tea with Ted Bundy. She said he was quite charming & came across as very smart. I think psychotic people who do these type of crimes snap into a whole different being. Makes it difficult to understand how the person in front of you can do such a terrible thing. A for real Jekyl & Hyde.
What I mean is: he would have just moved to WSU to start the semester, (usually the 2nd week of August is official move in day for students) Thinking someone from the house may have caught his attention that early on?
It's possible the killer is obsessed with the Amityville Horror murders. Both murders happened on November 13 at 3am. The address of the house in Amityville was 112. The address of the house in Moscow was 1122. It would be worth checking his PC and DVD collection etc for any indication obsession with Amityville Horror.
He was a vegan. 2 of the victims were servers at a vegan restaurant. That’s where he met them (my opinion). Either obsessed with one of them or was rebuffed. (This is only my guess!)
It wasn't a vegan restaurant, you can look at their menu online. They have a couple of vegan dishes, but he didn't eat anything that was prepared using the same equipment as meat was prepared, so he wouldn't have eaten there.
He got rebuffed by the 'plain jane' of the bunch and that SET HIM OFF ! Idaho student killing suspect Bryan Kohberger 'profiled' as a female hating young man with O.C.D. peculiarities and is a 28-year-old post graduate student at Washington State. Exhibits classic symptoms and habits of borderline personality disorder (BPD) that impacts the way he thinks and feel about himself and others, causing problems functioning in everyday life. It includes self-image issues (Undead Chronic?), difficulty managing emotions and behavior, and a pattern of unstable relationships. Likely a 'rage' or revenge incident motivated by bad interaction with one or more of the women. It is not known at this point if he is MGTOW. As with many MGTOW, likely a childhood trauma (i.e. Mother had an affair, bullied by a babysitter, etc ) triggers the RAGE AGAINST FEMALES later in life.
Everyone’s ok calling this guy a quadruple murderer but can’t question Dylan letting her friends bleed out while she slept for 6 plus hours then called her friends.Not the police. Her friends.
This devil use to frequent the vegan restaurant where Maddy worked, and Kaylee and bestie was in the restaurant a lot. Someone needs to check this out!!!!!!!!
Yeah. Easy senario. He tried to hit on them while eating veagan food. Was irritated from rejection, and followed them home. Studied there habits and committed the crime.
@@jasonbrown9979 Please. Save it, okay? You’re not making any helpful observations. There is an epidemic of violence against one sex by the opposite sex in this world. You’re either turning a blind eye to it or being willfully obtuse. Either way, the reality is the ratio is a hell of enough skewed that it bears noticing, especially if you are female. Saying all genders do evil is true but in this case pointless. I’m speaking specifically of men targeting and committing violence, including murder, against women, of which an equal ratio between both sexes is glaringly absent. Women do not kill their partners or kill senselessly or commit mass killings on anywhere near as grand of a scale as men. So when one sex commits violence this disproportionately, wtf point are you making with your reply about “all genders?” It’s not “all genders,” it’s an epidemic of violence and murder against women in which men are the main perpetrators.
@@spinflux This is not an epidemic. It is proportional throughout history. Men are the physically dominant sex. This is a biological fact. Since human civilisation began men were stalking and killing. It kept humanity alive for well over 200,000yrs. To say otherwise is naive at best. To assume this basic instinct can be irradicated by a civilization and system of law less than a few hundred years old is sadly fanciful and shows an unrealistic expectancy. My comment was not meant to justify this person's actions, but to give a more encompassing perspective. No doubt indeed that there is evidence of far more men than women finding their place as a stalker and killer. This is a biological pre curser. No doubt also that both sexes are guilty of such thoughts and actions. I wish you health, happiness and safety. Thanks for your comment.
@@jasonbrown9979 Men are aggressive because of biology. However, they’re abusive because of lack of morality and inability to deal with insecurity. Violence and aggression may be the biological factors behind men being dominant. It is not why they’re abusive and unable to function in a civilized society. That’s not biological. Stop making excuses and blaming biology for the lethal misogyny women and girls live with daily.
@@wqv5423ln Tough one to prove in a court of law, and is sure to GIFT the defense "reasonable doubt" Sorry to let you know @Shea Reese, but youtube has decided to play GOD as usual and suppress your reply, but i could still see it on the notifications
Am i correct on this that the girls had many parties there at the house. I’m just assuming he could of came as a loner to one of the parties driving by. Connected with one of the girls and blew him off maybe. I’m just assuming but to me he knew the inside of the house already, he knew the girls were on the 3rd floor maybe. No facts but i can see this play out. I think he was definitely obsessed with one of them and also the fun and life they had. So very sad.
Is anyone looking at opportunities around late October or early November where there may have been casual contact between any of the victims and the suspect Brian Kohlberger?
There's a lot of reasonable doubt. Their star witness has not called 911 to this day. Someone else called. A vegan with a leather sheath. Sold, stolen or that could have been planted on a single bed, with 2 victims bleeding for 8 hours. Their bloods not on it? In affidavit even police said cell data says Brian's cell was near the crime scene on Nov. 14th, but police said he was not. Police said daily that the car was a 2011-2013. Did they change the year to fit this guy? A guy close to his father & family? A guy that's a teacher? Kids that went and partied at the house wore Van shoes. Dylan wore Van shoes. Really think this student would pick the night Ethan's jeep is there & a Door Dash guy in the driveway? Come on man. This dude is smarter than that. Bryan's neighbor said she saw a girl with him. Maybe the girl lives near the crime scene. Maybe the girl is Dylan.
@@Anon1mous nahhhhh. He would’ve gone out there thanksgiving. Not waited all this time. I don’t think his parents knew at all. I feel really bad for them to be honest. You send your kid off to college, he is getting his phd, you’re so proud, and then he (allegedly) kills 4 people in a 15 min span one night. Their hearts are probably broken, or in denial.
Tracy looks like she could still be 20. (LOL) How reliable will Dylan's memory be under oath? Why pick a night when some members of the house were clearly awake? There's a lot here that doesn't add up. The affidavit is the version the prosecution wants everyone to believe, But how well will it stand up to cross examination?
There's a lot of reasonable doubt. Their star witness has not called 911 to this day. Someone else called. A vegan with a leather sheath. Sold, stolen or that could have been planted on a single bed, with 2 victims bleeding for 8 hours. Their bloods not on it? In affidavit even police said cell data says Brian's cell was near the crime scene on Nov. 14th, but police said he was not. Police said daily that the car was a 2011-2013. Did they change the year to fit this guy? A guy close to his father & family? A guy that's a teacher? Kids that went and partied at the house wore Van shoes. Dylan wore Van shoes. Really think this student would pick the night Ethan's jeep is there & a Door Dash guy in the driveway? Come on man. This dude is smarter than that. Bryan's neighbor said she saw a girl with him. Maybe the girl lives near the crime scene. Maybe the girl is Dylan.
Ur thinking like me! A patsy he is! Why! No friends, no girlfriends no social life! Somebody latched on to that! Here is how I see it!! It may or may not be true!!? Brian is so desperate for a friend, lends his car out to everybody that's asks!! Thinking they will hang out with him,teach him to play pool,go bowling, go to the movies etc fix him up.on a blind date! They all say+car borrower's) they will hang out with him (but they never do) so many ask.to borrow the car, he puts a key fob under near tailpipe!m somebody latches in to the fact, all.these people come up & borrow the car & put it back! And see where the key is! Now one of the people that's sees this had a falling out with Kaylee & Maddie causing them to make fun of that guy in public causing everybody to laugh at him! He stalks the girls! Finds out lights on, lights off! Who's, in who's out! When does all lights go out! But Kaylee is target is leaving shortly so he has to act!! He kills them(he is tall athletic & bushy eyebrows) cleans car little!! Puts it back! He is the one that killed them & sets Brian up! Knife sheaf maybe Brian picked it up at Wal-Mart to buy because one of his fake friends were going to take him ?fishing! The defense might just show u a video of Brian in his robe & slippers opening up apt door to bring in the Sunday paper to read at 4 am when he wakes up! Opening the door, but its not on his doorstep, but looks its in the middle of hallway strewn about because guy at the other end of hallway walks his dog at 3:30 am & takes off leash dog runs up on the paper leaving it messed up all over hallway!! That's his alibi! He never left apt! Time of murders u see him open apt door to get his Sunday paper! Now what for prosecution! He's home the whole time!! The court goes nuts!! Now this may or may not happen! Brian could be so outta reality, he talked himself into believing he never did this horrible thing & it's somebody else !!? But we will find out?(or not? ( what do u think of my theory!
@@gailschwartz4037 Anyone else see the irony that this supposed incel, woman-hater, etc now has a female lawyer with long blonde hair next to him trying to save his life?
@@orangehoof he chose her because she got numerous people off because people tempered with evidence ,police lied etc. I think he checked her out? Don't know how.? Maybe he got the paper with public attorney bio? Don't know how ? Maybe he researched before caught & asks for her?
People are always surprised. ‘ O my God, he lived next door to me.’ Or: ‘My God, I went to school with him.’ That’s the scary thing, murderers live among us.
I would think it would be very hard to get rid of the smell of dried blood/ tissue. It would have to be cleaned multiple times with special cleaning agents I would imagine.
Most probably he cleaned it temporarily just after the murder, and cleaned it again thoroughly in Pennsylvania after he started to feel unsafe, when the police said they are after white elantra and his two traffic stops made him more cautious.
I’m not defending him but tbh, he just drove the car across the country. It was probably filthy. Cleaning the car may be indicative of something and it may not. In this case, he had all that time to clean it, and seems to only clean it after he gets to PA??? Come on. Brian laundries mom cleaned the van as soon as Brian got back, from killing Gabby. Now that, was a major red flag
@@Helmy67 nah. If you’re gonna clean it, you’re gonna do it right the first time. Esp when the cops were all over the news looking for the car. You would think he would have not driven his own car, or kept it. It doesn’t make sense. Esp since he studies this stuff and should know damn well about Ted Bundy and his car being so easy to spot.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 if he cleaned his car once or twice, I think the forensic investigators can find traces of blood in some corners on the carpet, let us wait and see.
You know there has been two killings with the same MO only few hours drive away. I find it hard to believe America has more than one murderer with the same MO.
Make no mistake.., there’s more evidence in this case than what’s been revealed.
hell yeah!
Hopefully it will be televised
I’m hoping they have so much evidence against this guy that he will plea to life in prison which will spare the families of having to go through a trial..
I saw this same comment elsewhere.
@@kmars3239not until trial I hope.
Hundreds of photos on their social media accounts of these young people posting their good time is a draw for criminals. An easy way for a predator to stalk a future victim. So frightening for these kids when their life is all over social media.
Totally agree Pauline. The thing is with cameras, cell phone tracking, dna etc. Its tougher for criminals to get away with it.
I enjoy the criminals with visible tattoos!
Why would that be a draw?
@@CowneloAlvaroid I think it would be a draw due to the fact that they are having such a good life, lots of friends, posting all the good stuff - the person viewing this , sitting at home , no friends, no social life - would be envious of this posted stuff , if that makes sense He would be jealous, wants to wipe that smile off their face.
@@alisonp2412 Idk but dang that's really messed up as a motive. Hope we find out why
Yes! So easy to make fake profiles etc. This creep was obsessed!
He's going to be found guilty of murder. Him throwing out the evidence at a neighbour's garbage tells you he's the suspect already.
He knew it was wrong by hiding evidence & stalking them, like hunting to kill.
If they know he threw his garbage into the neighbors garbage that means they have it. I’ll bet you there’s more there to incriminate him. Great police work he was under surveillance !
They have a lot more evidence than that. The guy looks too sure of himself to be innocent. He has no case and should be tortured.
@@mariapilarme Yes, LE already recovered it, mostly the cleaning materials from the car as reported, all the DNA, packaged up ready to ship to the lab.
I didn’t hear that he did that!! Yes I’m sure they have lots of evidence then!!
It's terrifying to think such evil exists in our world...the scariest monsters of all are those that resemble humans. They may strike anytime, anywhere. Look after each other.
I love this comment. I hope you have a good life Sinead.
@@monkeymonkerson Aw thank you so much. Same to you.❤️
I agree
@@sinead187 agree! I'm going to screenshot it!
True. In high school I used to get a ride home with a guy I worked with. He was weird, but I thought nothing of it. He ended up abducting a girl at the mall by hiding in a dressing room after hours and driving her behind the airport and murdering her in a horrifying and disgusting way. I had a breakdown.
I agree with this. This, I think, is what happened when I had a stalker. Whatever he thought happened between us--it didn't. I hardly knew him at all. he was a neighbor's boyfriend--HE, somehow, in his diseased brain, thought it was something. Finally, the police caught him in the act. They caught him in my yard. I had fencing, gates! A little dog that would wake me! When he was released from jail (almost a year later), I moved. Of course, there was a lot more to this story: a lot of damage, broken lights I had installed, broken fencing etc., all kinds of crazy, odd things. At first I didn't take it seriously, then it began to terrify me. I hadn't had a full nights sleep in almost a year. That night, early morning, really--finally--my little dog woke me at 2:00 AM (the stalker's favorite time, apparently) and my sweet little dog probably did save my life (she lived until she was 19. She was my guard dog until she died). I called, and the police got there in time. The Stalker was escalating. That is what the Judge felt. I had to go talk to the DA. Someone like this--anything triggers them. It doesn't take much. Pay attention, OK? These people are out there.
Scary. Glad you survived!
Wow. It’s a sick and sad world we live in. Women rarely feel safe.
@@amandasmith7323 That's the truth.
Very creepy.
Glad you are safe now but I know you are still dealing with this.
So many sick men out there. Several in my state of male neighbors kidnapping and/or murdering women they stalked for a period of time. Can't even go about your life w/out some man planning harm because his life is worthless. Disgusting.
I bet his computer knows why he did it.
For sure
The police have so much we won't get to see / know about for awhile. His cellphone, the victims cellphones, computers etc etc.
Hannah Cleere is the key
@@bruh_hahaha who is that?
@@bruh_hahaha I thought that for a while but now no
I agree. Speaking as a once controlling male I can say with confidence that he felt a stronger bond to one of these females. She probably was completely unaware of this. He acted on rage due to perceived rejection. Other deaths were not planned but a problem he had to deal with. DM was either unseen or he assumed there'd already been a 911 call and was getting out of there. This would also explain him returning to the location as nothing was going on there many hours later. To his bewilderment. A crime of one way passion. Insanity. But driven by many years of insecurity and rejection with women.
There are no excuses for this mindless act. None at all..........
I can def see that. A possible scenario I thought of was the killer going in after 1 of the 2 girls in the same bed. He wasn’t anticipating 2 and ended up killing both ? :( .. i don’t think he was anticipating 4 being awake. Either way… senseless and horrific. I hope he gets the death penalty.
Something tells me he’s never going give a motive.
"Speaking as a once controlling male" LOOOOOOOL That was the first time i've seen such a retrd comment. HOLY SHEEET. Congratulations. i'm laughing so hard for your stupidd comment ahhahahaha
plot twist, he is gay and he was after the male this whole time lol
I agree with your assumptions.. well put.
I think you are right!
He ABSOLUTELY looks like someone who would do this, wtf...
Totally agreed. Dead shark eyes. ☮️
We can't take you women seriously because you let the media control how you see the world.
And yet people have mentioned plenty of celebs that he looks like.
No he doesn't. He looks like an average guy.
@@RyanSmith-uw2ni I struggle to understand how people think they are fair and unbias, yet condemn a person for how they look. Every single building block of bigotry is flowing in this comment section.
Intoxicated or not she nailed a good description of him.
Lol nailed? She is guessing, 100% why she is a former agent... she lost her job for some reason
@@Hoffmanpackshe’s talking about the roommate nailed a good description of the killer, not the former agent
and DNA needs no description ...
@@Hoffmanpack former, cause imagine you're a hot 20 year old girl and not an obese stalker , she had a bunch of other creepy English degree nerds hitting on her hourly . I went to an AA meeting in Langley , it was full of angry freakishly smart white and black guys with extra large heads acting and talking like smart white know it alls. Black dudes were acting whiter than me . Actually it would be a good comedy bit for a comedian to attend.
@@Hoffmanpackmiserable dumbass we’re talking about the surviving roommate not the former agent
LOCK your home and room, folks!
He wanted to see what it was like and he believed he would get away with it.
That could be it too.
No, the eyewitness, Dylan, did NOT "see him walking out of the house." She saw him pass by her as he walked towards the sliding door, but she had no way of knowing if he left the house or left and came back in, for that matter, because she closed her bedroom door before she could see for sure. Get your facts straight.
She's lying to protect herself
She saw his face
@@kevona2360 no he had a mascot which covered his mouth and his nose
Dylan handed the defense reasonable doubt.
Read the affidavit folks. It’s the only set of official facts. Everything else is a guess or rumored.
The killer was very likely surprised Ethan was there as well as the friend of the girl upstairs. His target had to be the girl that was still living there upstairs, and she probably was attacked first. The visiting girlfriend was next, she was collateral damage. The other surprise for him was that Xana, and maybe Ethan, we’re awake having just gotten DoorDash. Killer likely went after Ethan 3rd, maybe Ethan was still asleep or very drunk, can’t see him easily losing a fight to the killer. Then Xana was last. Killer was likely panicked by this time, too many surprises and he had been in the house way longer than he planned, so he likely hurried by DM, either not noticing her or not caring.
And the noise of the dog barking probably rattled him as well.
Maybe, maybe. But the way the Feds are defending the investigation and demanding an apology for the slightest criticism makes me wonder if the suspect was their man for a study on serial murderers. Or maybe I have eaten too much cheese.
Maddie was attacked first, it seems. His knife sheath was found right next to her body. I'm still not sure that Kaylee wasn't his primary target, though. Remember, she was posting photos to social media all day. We saw her do it at the grub truck even. So he knew she was in Moscow, and heading back home with Maddie. And she was attacked more brutally than Maddie. She was also the one who was about to leave for a new job, and I'm sure he knew that from her social media. That would have been a big trigger. The target leaving the area is the classic trigger for the stalker to escalate.
@@automnejoy5308the last sentence of your comment is so true. I remember this terrible story where a girl was a law student in Georgia and one of her classmates was stalking her. He eventually killed her right after they graduated and before she was about to move on with life. 😢 definitely seems like this could’ve been a motive towards Kaylee. We’ll see.
@@brittney1591 Lauren Giddings, yes. The vile POS who stalked and murdered her actually outed himself in an interview. You can see him panicking when he learns that the trash pickup was a day later than he thought.
A neighbor said the front door was wide open early that morning around 8AM….so there is something else the police are keeping from us. He came and went from sliding doors.
So who opened the front door?
Dylan?
He came back around 9 am, imho to drop someone off. 🤷♀️
I think the roommate waiting 8 hours and called friends first before 911 the defense will have a field day with that hopefully they have more evidence
They have DNA evidence.
@@toddaulner5393 so? She’s sus as hell
Something is fishey with her not calling police thst many hours later. IS not right.
TY FOR YOUR SERVICE....
I wish the timeline was more specific. Exactly when did Door Dash arrive? To the front or back entrance? Who went to meet the driver, and how long would the transaction take? Was the killer watching this? Probably not from the outside. He'd know someone was awake. He'd call it off.
THEORY: he was already inside when the food arrived; he was on the third floor killing K and M.He went to the window when the delivery car pulled up. Someone else is awake, this is not the plan. He panics and forgets the sheath. He was planning to leave but X is in the kitchen blocking his escape. Now he's frantic to just escape and has to kill X and E to do it. IMO the food delivery was an unanticipated event that ruined the plan to leave after murdering M and K. It's troubling that a student would come to learn that he has the qualities to plan and get away with murder. By nature humans are not perfect and not capable of perfect planning. All the studying and he didn't learn that? FAIL !
Good theory. I too felt that was possible, that he was in the house already when the food came. It supposedly arrived at 4 am. Not sure if at front door or back slider. Was probably dropped off and left outside and Xana was notified. Either way she had to leave her room to grab the food, if she did . She was then on Tik Tok at 4:12. BK left by 4:20 I believe. BK’s vehicle was seen as early as 3:30 driving on King’s Rd so he definitely was there before the food came. Remember DM heard a voice say someone is here. Was it referring to the food guy? Or was that one of the roommates startled? Maybe he didnt’ plan on X and E but when trying to leave they saw him? I just can’t explain how other roommates wouldn’t hear that. Ugh
Good theory....I may add here that before publishing the affidavit which includes the time line, my speculation was that Bryan entered the house and hid somewhere while the 4 victims were still outside... maybe he was hiding under K and M's bed waiting for them to arrive and start to sleep, and maybe this was an easy silent murder, later the noise was with E and X.
Nope. It can't be done that way.
If he killed before door dash, they would have heared some kind of commotion.
But how did he enter the house with 6 awake housemates?? Undetected...
I disagree that Kohberger doesn’t look the part. Plenty of killers don’t look the part; Chris Watts looked basic. Kohberger has crazy eyes and looks nuts.
Watts isn’t a serial killer. Kohberger does have crazy eyes but so do a lot of innocent fun guys.
@@pamelasmith6221 Kohberger isn't a serial killer, either. Not that we know of, anyway.
Yes. Exactly what I’ve been thinking. He made casual contact and he blew it up in his sick mind.
This is why Im not nice to random men. Who kniws whats going on with people.
In his sick mind he had too.. There was very little chance kaylee or Maddie would let him into thier circle... So he took the stalking route..
Then for the thrill of the kill, he concluded that these girls are the perfect victims...
It's sad that his actions will make it even more difficult for otherwise good hearted men to get to know women..
@@briansprdr for sure. He looks good on paper. I don’t think he would’ve been their style. When you’re 20, 28 is much older. Plus he was peculiar. He was a tough grader, acted belligerently towards women in bars. Even though his unsuspecting dad, during the car stop seemed so proud. His son looked freaked out knowing what he’d done. Anyway he never would’ve been in their circle. I studied psychology and criminal justice in Manhattan in John Jay. Something like this would never have crossed my mind in a million years. And obviously didn’t help him pull off the perfect crime. I’ve studied all the infamous serial killers. I knew the Det that caught Son of Sam. They all were all flawed, personality flawed. But thank goodness for today’s technology. They would have all been caught sooner. And even this wasn’t fast enough.
To me he DOES look like someone that would do this.
Interested how you profile people to be able to determine what a killer looks like.
Exactly he look creepy and weird vibes .. he gives rapist vibes to
@@gokissasickmonkeyswetass dead in the eyes, no emotion, the way he holds himself. itd be interesting to see a lineup of people with one unknown killer and try to pick them out just based on looks. see how many people get it right.
That's what I have always believed since the PCA was released. She saw him, but he didn't see her. She was probably peeking out of her door.
If she's in the bedroom next to the kitchen he would be within two feet of her.
Depends where he was looking and how light it was. She obviously got a good look at him so I don’t know how he didnt see her but it could have been his adrenaline and needing to get out quick. I just don’t know why he chose the ones he did. Two others unscathed. They are very lucky.
Ted Bundy also passed up potential victims and left them alive.
@@spinflux Correct. There is a moment when rationality comes back. However, I think my original analogy is nearer the truth of the events
I feel there was some kind of a interaction with this guy, and he somehow felt rejected , he stalked this particular house for a reason
114 comments and not a damn soul is adult enough or smart enough or courageous enough to say the truth; like they were kids partying constantly and their parents should have done a better job. There will always be killers, all one can do is prepare their kids to be sober and vigilant none of which happened here. This should be a warning to parents everywhere yet no one is talking about how to deter this sort of hell. Great work folks.
Idaho student killing suspect Bryan Kohberger 'profiled' as a female hating young man with O.C.D. peculiarities and is a 28-year-old post graduate student at Washington State. Exhibits classic symptoms and habits of borderline personality disorder (BPD) that impacts the way he thinks and feel about himself and others, causing problems functioning in everyday life. It includes self-image issues (Undead Chronic?), difficulty managing emotions and behavior, and a pattern of unstable relationships. Likely a 'rage' or revenge incident motivated by bad interaction with one or more of the women. It is not known at this point if he is MGTOW. As with many MGTOW, likely a childhood trauma (i.e. Mother had an affair, bullied by a babysitter, etc ) triggers the RAGE AGAINST FEMALES later in life.
Bundy killed student nurses who lived together. They did not run a party house. Delia Morris
Now, everything freaks me out. There were six adults in that house, including an athletic male. Even a dog. Yet, four were murdered.
Always lock your doors especially your bedroom door.
@@TheSweetnsalty1 yeah and let the dog free to roam the house.
Being athletic is different to physical strength and males are different in that strength. What were the victims able to do with a sicko with a ka bar knife coming at you???? We don't know how many were awake/ sleep. I just watched a documentary were a guy was working in a gas station and he was attacked by a female with a gun, knocked the gun out of her hand and as he was on the floor she stabbed him fatally and cops said he had no chance and bled out. That bi*Ch was about 6ft tall and prob weighed 150lbs like a stick. BK is no stick but ain't no bodybuilder either.
@@TheSweetnsalty1 Don't use those keypad locks. They can be opened with a magnet. There's TH-cam videos about it.
You can never be too safe! It's when you're distracted, drinking, doing drugs, or occupied with life and not aware of your surroundings that bad things happen! I was the victim of sexual assult as a college age woman! Since then I have been ultra aware of things around me! I have witnessed an almost abduction of a young girl that 2 men were trying to get in their car! She knew my husband lived close and asked him to take her home! CRIMES HAPPEN EXTREMELY FAST! HOLD ON TIGHT TO THOSE YOU LOVE! DON'T TRUST ANYONE!
I think he did it to feel, to experience taking a life for himself. I think he may be a person whom killing excites and he totally enjoyed it. I’m not sure he went in to kill more than one but had to kill 2 because the girls were in the same bed. I think he killed the other two because maybe Ethan confronted him on his way out. I think he’s just evil and would have killed again if given the chance
What makes you think Ethan confronted him? The evidence suggests that Ethan was completely overpowered.
I think he went in to kill one and got in over his head because if the plan was four that's typically a next level investigation. If he knew 62 FBI agents were going to be dissecting this case he would have thought twice about it.
@@RobbieStacks90 - That doesn’t mean he didn’t confront him! Hello?
I agree 100%.
Agree.!!
As an armchair detective, I may say that when a psychopathic guy has a crush on a girl and fell in love but the girl turned him down and rejected him, his love transform into tremendous hate and his urge to get her as lover become more desperate to a degree relative to how much he wants her, if it is too strong, then the hate will be so strong as well, and it adds to it more heat if it involves embarrassment before her friends, he will get into a situation telling himself, if I can't get her, nobody will, then he may go into extreme sort of revenge, I have seen recently two similar cases like that and both cases the girls murdered by stabbing, that is why this case might be similar but with additional 3 people happened to be in his way to his target.
In addition for more explanation, those two cases happened in sight of tens of witnesses in public, in the daytime, means they know beforehand that their chance of getting away is 0%, but still they did it... first one did it in busy street full of bystanders, the other one did it as emitation to the first guy, after 2 to 3 weeks, both confessed, and both sentenced to death penalty, still in appeal stage in the high courts to decide the final judgment.
Basically yes. He puts her up on a pedestal in his mind hoping she will see and appreciate his noble true love ( fantasy in his mind ). She rejects him and he unconsciously is playing God, rejected he tears down the pedestal / alter he built he destroys his creation, God is displeased with his sinful rebellious creation. He is queen maker greater than the queen. The victim has no idea he has been playing out this warped Shakespearian drama in is warped mind.
It's so dangerous to be a woman in society today 😕
@@CatDaddySteve yeah, exactly, and the shocking reality to some commenters here that the girls were very nice and very polite in their rejection of those guys proposals, something like you are very nice person but I'm not thinking of marriage now, I want to finish my studies first...
plot twist, he is gay and he was after the male this whole time lol
Beautiful, young, innocent, and promising kids. They have their lives ahead of them. This monster took their lives. I can't wrap my head around a reason. 💔
He's a dangerous psychopath. None of them deserved this. 😔
That party house was a high risk environment!
He is young too and he also destroyed his life as well. None of it makes sense. I don’t know if I want to understand it because it’s not the actions of a sane person but it is so frustrating that these things happen and for what?
@@Dee-mj3puYes, if it were a house full of guys I might not be as concerned but a bunch of vulnerable young women in that environment is never good.
He became demon possessed at some point. They kill for the thrill & have supernatural strenght when commiting the crime. Only motive is Satanic hate!
Has it occurred to any of you that maybe he didn't do it? Maybe everyone should wait until the trial ends...
Hahaha. Fat chance he didn't do it .
After what led the cops to him, it would be one hell of a coincidence if he didn't do it.
Lol
Dad of victim: "He doesn't 'LOOK' like someone who would do this"
Me: Ummm, sir... He looks EXACTLY like someone who would do this! I think it's time for an eye exam!!! Or, at the very LEAST go and do a historical review of serial deleter mugshots for comparative reference!!!!!!
There's a lot of reasonable doubt. Their star witness has not called 911 to this day. Someone else called.
A vegan with a leather sheath. Sold, stolen or that could have been planted on a single bed, with 2 victims bleeding for 8 hours. Their bloods not on it?
In affidavit even police said cell data says Brian's cell was near the crime scene on Nov. 14th, but police said he was not.
Police said daily that the car was a 2011-2013. Did they change the year to fit this guy? A guy close to his father & family?
A guy that's a teacher?
Kids that went and partied at the house wore Van shoes. Dylan wore Van shoes.
Really think this student would pick the night Ethan's jeep is there & a Door Dash guy in the driveway? Come on man. This dude is smarter than that.
Bryan's neighbor said she saw a girl with him. Maybe the girl lives near the crime scene. Maybe the girl is Dylan.
I know a few people who look like serial killers but they are not. If I saw him on the street I wouldn’t blink an eye.
@@RyanSmith-uw2niGood points. This is why I am torn. After reading the affidavit and seeing a timeline of the events I just can’t believe or understand why he picked that night, the timing the ease he had of getting in and out quickly. It’s almost like someone told him when to get there except when he did food was being delivered and Ethan was there. I am not going to point fingers because I know we don’t have all the evidence in front of us but I just have so many questions.
@@pamelasmith6221 I agree with you. And I’ll say it’s all sketchy as hell.
This whole thing is so sad. Why take the lives of these kids. RIP to all the victims. My heart truly breaks for them. Please always be aware of your surroundings. Jesus Christ loves you all. ✝️❤️
Because he’s a sick loser.
Your suppose to ask "why take the lives of these individuals, everybody that died was important to someone!"
@@0808elyankee You're right. I was typing fast. Just changed it.
Sad?
No it’s not
Dying without Jesus Christ no one rests in peace and THAT is the only tragedy- it has eternal consequences that the world - like yourself have no inkling about
Being aware of one’s surroundings is one thing - but the issue here is that Satan is the god of this world
All things are common
to man- regardless
I agree with most of this but one thing to be aware of is that the affidavit does not say where Dylan was that night and it does not say when she got home. So this lady assuming quite a bit here when she says she knows how it is to be 20 and arriving home at 2am. When I was 20 and arriving home at 2:00am I wasn’t waking up from noises like someone playing with a dog and I wasn’t getting out of bed to look out my door when I heard noises. Those actions sound like a person in a relatively clear state of mind
Good catch. I assumed Dylan and Bethany were together at the sorority function but the PCA only mentions Bethany at the function seeing X and E there. I wonder when she arrived home that night.
Why are we not hearing anything about Bethany? How is she doing? Is she ok?
Maybe Bethany revealed a lot to detectives about BK, most probably about his motives, that is why they kept her in the shadows till the trial starts.... I'm guessing.
There is now a gag order so she can't speak even if she wanted to. I bet she has severe PTSD. 😐
Why do people always say “he dosent look like a killer “ ?!! You can NEVER judge a book by its cover
That guy was expecting a Disney stereotype. Kohberger looks like a psycho to me.
Exactly. Look up the photo of Ted Bundy, helping washing and drying the dishes with a smile on his face.
She's lying if I heard someone breaking in or crying I would have called the police but she didn't, they first said that the kids were killed while they slept, now something else is being said. SMH
He does look like someone who would do this, look at his crazy eyes.
He has a lost look on his face in all his pictures without usually smiling, and when he does try to smile a picture, it’s a fake smile, because there are no creases beside his eyes
He has crazy eyes , a mean zipper like mouth and flared nostrils which says, he is just mean, on top of being a psycho. No compassion, no remorse, just trying to save his ass. He will appear congenial to authorities and wants to also appear smart, clever , well organized. These are natural phobias for these freaks. The cops know that. He is playing the game of an innocent guy.....
He has a visual disorder: visual snow.
Is this guy a ninja ? I don’t understand how he went inside this house with all these people in there and kill 4 people with a knife and nobody heard anything and he just walked away …..professional assassin in the movies can’t do this. I feel bad for the parents of all the victims in this. What is going on in this world 😢
There was plenty of noise, captured on the neighbours CCTV and also as stated by Dylan, the witness in the house. Thing is, it looks as if this wasn't unusual for a Saturday night in that house.
Cause he probably didn’t act alone.
It wasn't silent. Lots of noise. No one alerted authorities.
@Jwestside where did you hear the audio please?
The killer, is in very good shape. Read about him, and how he transformed his once 300 pound body. These 4 unfortunate, sweet, unsuspecting people, were deeply asleep. If not, one can still say they certainly didn't expect this murderous attack. The last thing on THEIR minds.
They had been partying, and I think, perhaps drinking heavily. Maybe they had dabbled in some drugs, as young people can do on a weekend. It happens on holidays and weekends all over America. Did you miss that right of passage? It has happened, and continues to happen. Partying: they are young. It's not a sin. Remember being young? I do. I didn't do a lot of things I am ashamed of, but there are a few times, like any college student, I could have done better. All that is forever sealed.
These 4 young people didn't stand a chance with this murderous guy (who was in good shape, as I mentioned) and his Ka-Bar knife. He had been to that house before, I think. He knew exactly what he was doing. HE hadn't been partying (who in the hell would party with this freeky guy, anyway), I can bet he wasn't drunk, nor had he imbibed in a little cannabis. Most likely he had practiced this attack one way or another's. He was obviously on a mission. He was also full of terrible rage. Not trying to be mean, but these are my thoughts.
What DM said does not make sense. Was there no loud scream, or did she not hear loud scream? Xana was awake, and either K or M or both were also awake at the time (Xana got food and was on TikTok at 4:12am, and DM heard K/M talking). So 1 or 2 or 3 girls were awake. When the killer comes to kill them, they fought back (cops said there were defense wound). It is not logical that the girls didnt scream and fought hard. (girls can scream loud even fighting with bf...). So DM was awake the whole time (opened door 3 times) and she didnt hear any loud scream, or any fighting, or any commotion? but DM heard conversations and crying...but no loud scream at all when 4 people were killed (some of whom were awake and defending themselves). That dont make sense at all. And killer did all this well under 8 min. Xana was on Tiktok at 4:12am, and video captured car at 4:20am. So he killed 4 people, in 2 rooms, on 2 floors, then gets out, gets in car, drives off...all this under 8 minutes....
I agree Dylans story doesn't make any sense. But others will cry n say "you're victim blaming " even tho Dylan wasn't one of the victims, she was one of the 2 survivors
Yep. That is what I don’t get either. I need it to make sense. The house isn’t that big. Now that we know all these people were awake, unless the talking DM heard from K and M’s rooms was really BK up there, I still don’t know how she missed the two on her level being attacked. Then to see someone walk by her she didn’t know wearing a mask, she just goes into her room and locks the door? Not text to the others in the house? Then the next day not calling 911 until so late its just crazy. I hope it all can be explained.
He might murdered Kylee and Maddie in third floor first, between 4:00 and 4:12, then murdered Xana and Ethan in second floor between 4:12 and 4:20, including getting in, getting out, and driving his way out of the parking... and I don't think DM had any idea what was going on, she won't go to sleep at all in this house if she knew that her housemates have been murdered, no one can sleep knowing that there are 4 murdered a few feet away from her room.
DM apparently heard no screaming, no cries for help, didn’t see blood on the killer as he was leaving or a knife, so it would seem she likely didn’t realize what had happened, but did lock her door out of common sense seeing a stranger walking around the house. Probably not the first time she saw a strange male in the house at night or heard Maddie playing with her dog at night or someone crying for some reason, I lived in a frat and stuff was always going on and you learn to tune it out.
Maybe their larynx was sliced before they could scream?.. if they screamed the neighbors security should have picked it up if it caught the thud sound and dog barking.
It's disturbing.
Why is he allowed to enter a courtroom without handcuffs.
Any other high profile suspect would have been shackled
He could have attacked that woman . That is crazy.
Trust me they're all ready to break him in half if he tries something. They probably hope he does.
He does karate too
Yes I noted that too . Just looking at him he looks like someone who would do this . His eyes are soulless , his expression . A real psycho . I hope and pray he does not get off . But I would not be surprised if he does . As mentioned why isn’t he in chains ? Why does he have the best possible public defender assigned to him ? It’s said his defense lawyer has a better record than the prosecutor. Why are they accommodating his vegan diet request ? Really he just butchered four people ! Our society now honors the criminals instead of the victims . It’s a tragedy because it should be about punishing criminals not getting them off by any means .
CIA/FBI two words when placed together shows exactly whats wrong with America. Great going newsmax...
If this man is responsible for this (my opinion is yes) let's pray the evidence is so incriminating and continues to make him look incompetent that he pleads guilty. This will be eating at him every moment in that cell, he will be reliving it his head not so much for what he supposedly did but for his failures and mistakes. This will be mental torture for him IMO
May be an awful coincidence but he killed those kids on the same date of Amityville Horror murders. November 13, 1974
The Amityville address was 112. Theirs is 1122. Someone mentioned this so I thought I’d add to your post.
His sister was in a movie where people were stabbed to death
I do believe that that killer from 1974 and Kohberger may have been in collaboration with each other.
The motive is important but at the end of the day they must demonstrate that the suspect did it regardless of the motive.
True legally, but what if there is a juror that somehow can't convict without a motive, despite what the statute says?
This woman is brilliant. Wondering why she’s no longer in law enforcement.
More money as a expert for the media.
This woman is an establishment shill. Wake up!!
@@Milocat555 like Johnny Law, sweet pension golfs everyday in Vegas and building a utube channel, he was police investigator. Worth a watch
Listen again she mixed up defense with police not that smart
Dude you're thinking with the wrong head. This lady never adds anything of value.
He stalked them on social media and then started going to the parties.
I think he wanted to be on both of the sides of the investigation. As the main suspect and as the investigator. I wouldn't doubt if he took part in podcasts even theory videos he wanted to be in the FBI and a police officer. I believe there was an instance where a fire chief set fires to multiple businesses and then went in as an investigator afterwards.
There is no rational explanation for irrational and insane behavior. Clearly this guy went off the deep end, lost touch with reality, and just snapped and probably had this sick fantasy in his head - People do not need to have a motive when they are insane. He may not be legally insane by definition but lets face only a nut case could do something like this.
He watched them at the restaurant where two are servers, and the other two could have been visiting their friends there. Madison Mogen and Xana Kernoodle were servers at the Mad Green restaurant. The restaurant posted how much of a loss it is and how the young women will be missed. I looked up the restaurant and it advertised it's Vegan options. Brian Koberger is Vegan he could have followed the two college students, then saw Kaylee Goncalves, and Ethan Chapin. My personal thoughts are he became fixated on Kaylee Goncalves. She is someone he could never get to date him or go out with him and the others were living the lives he always wanted to live. So My opinion it was rage, anger, hate, envy and a curiosity to find out what it felt like to murder people. I believe he wanted to understand himself and his compulsions and thoughts so he went into that field of study and also put out the post asking for killers to respond in his study/disguised need to understand himself. So very complex reasons. But I am not privy to anything other than what people have posted or talked about. May all of his victims rest in peace. May God comfort the families, and may they receive some measure of justice. Sadly nothing can bring back the children they love.
I wonder if he knew if Kaylee was leaving the next day? It makes sense if she was the target that he had to do it that night..now or never.. that might have been his thought…he may have tried to get her another way too before that. Maybe another time another day. That’s why her and Maddie said they had a stalker.
The only way we are ever going to know a motive is if a plea deal is reached and he is forced to tell all in exchange for the death penalty being thrown out.
Remember one of the girls just happen to spend the night. She was only there to show her car. Madison and xana worked at the vegan restaurant.
Greek restaurant. They had some vegan options on their menu.
Stalking ain't murdering. There's a biiiig gap to be filled with motive.
I'm thinking he wanted to do this to someone, so he looked for his targets. He hated what they represented. Pretty, happy, popular...He wasn't that. Moscow put a little distance from his home. He saw the girls at the Madd Greek. Figured out their names and looked them up on social media. I wonder how he learned their last names.
It is good that Idaho has the death penalty for this type of hideous crime.
If they will use it has yet to be seen
I speculated that Kohberger may have attended a party at the house and may have creeped out people and got rejected while there. The problem with this speculation is that no one has come forward and said anything like, "Yeah, I remember him. He was really a creepy guy. No one at the party liked him." But I still wonder if he was familiar with the layout of the house. If so, how?
That is a good speculation, keeping in mind the difference in age between him and those colleges students, normally those in age of 20, 21, will look at 28 guy as an old alien to party with them, even if he wasn't creepy.
Sadly, just having an address will show the inside & outside layout of tons of properties and homes with pictures online. An example of that is Zillow. It also doesn't help when so many are on social media posting so many videos and picture inside their residence and even their bedrooms.
I cringe with worry every time I see people and especially young pretty girls so unaware of what they are "sharing" with the world by doing that! In fact, several years ago I seen a few distance relatives' teen girls in another State posting their 'complaints' about their city bus schedules, where they worked and even were taking pics of walking home by themselves and having to be alone for a few hours when they got home! I freaked out so much for them that I created a fake account to teach them a lesson by acting like a 'creeper' for a few days before I told them who I was! Luckily I felt at least for both of them, it worked because they immediately removed all private info and haven't posted anything personal about themselves since.
We really need to start having Public Service Announcements and drilling into everyone's heads that people online can be anyone out there and are NOT our "friends"!
Im 36 and go to college parties all the time
@@kingpinsmith22 I'm hoping you don't bring a K-Bar to the parties. That said, have fun.
@@Helmy67 "normally those in age of 20, 21, will look at 28 guy as an old alien" True.
Who could EVER represent this monster?
Everyone is guessing.
He is the only one who knows why.
Why did they try to clean up the house the morning they arrested him. It looks suspicious and could torpedo the case.
Her theory about him stalking one of them after casual contact does nothing to answer the question of why/motivation. lol. Motivation would be something like he hated women or had ongoing murder fantasies. Her theory is more a timeline theory than motivation.
The CIA's officers eyes are the darkest I have seen. . . Scary!
Maybe Bryan was jealous of Ethan. Ethan had a steady girlfriend, lot of friends, in a fraternity, etc.. That picture of the students taken shortly before their murders shows Ethan surrounded by five pretty girls. I bet that would infuriate a narcissist like Bryan.
True but he has his own school that he attends. Why was BK so obsessed with University of Idaho? Unless something just happened to set him off and he couldn’t let it go
It's a probability, but unlikely to be strong motive enough to risk doing it, it has to be stronger emotional reason, one of those girls rejected his advances to her especially if it includes insults to his narcissistic personality.
@@Helmy67 But what if his target was Xana? All the focus has been on Maddie and Kaylee so far. I’m not yet convinced of that.
@@amandasmith7323 generally men would prefer to approach single girl, he will have better chances to get her, but a girl with a boyfriend in her age is a very difficult near to impossible to get her attention. Most of girls are loyal to whom they love..
@@amandasmith7323 if you read my comment on this video regarding two murder cases happened last summer in Egypt, both were against a girl who rejected advances or proposals of marriage to a psychopathic guy, it turns him nuts literally... one case both was same age around 21, the other case the guy was 21, the girl was few months older... I think age of 21 is too dangerous... but this case in Idaho he is 28... if you read that comment it might gives you more detailed explanation of my assumptions regarding this case.
Personally I think it’s obvious. He was studying criminology. He wanted to experience it for himself
Where's the blood? Young Girl gave a very detailed description, right down to the perp's eyebrows, yet no mention of blood? You just butchered four people in 15 min. the black clothes he had on should have been red, bright red, rivers of blood would've covered that boy's body, yet she never mentioned any blood?Just said he was dressed in black!
2nd person? He watched
Blood doesn't show up on black clothes in the dark
Do you understand or not 'lots stuff been redacted from this 18 paged affidavit ..there's much much more to it as the trial unfolds ..
It was 4am dark in there duh 🙄
No , blood does not show up on dark clothing .
Nope...this woman's intuition is way off
why don't they ask him,,this person is probably open to talk
Perhaps they have. The police keep secrets well.
This is incredibly scary! Something similar as far as a stalker happened to me when I was in my mod 20s and I talked to some guy checking out the house next door to me. He said, “are you the one who put the ad for the house in the paper?” And I said “no”. (The neighbors seemed to have a hard time finding a renter for some time.) Well after that one encounter I started seeing the same white car circle and circle my block and my mail started going missing and i started getting hang up calls (from my missing phone bill this psycho got my phone number!) and eventually the dude broke in while I was sleeping! I know this because he did the hang up call thing a couple times that night and when i woke up my broken TV was the only thing missing and my bedroom door was open which was always closed. Also my back door to my home was open as well! I couldn’t live there anymore after that…
You were right to leave!
I know someone many years ago who went to Gainesville to college. She said she had tea with Ted Bundy. She said he was quite charming & came across as very smart.
I think psychotic people who do these type of crimes snap into a whole different being. Makes it difficult to understand how the person in front of you can do such a terrible thing. A for real Jekyl & Hyde.
Psychopath not psychotic. There is a difference.
Pinging at that house since August is very suspicious!!
Especially given how secluded and small the area is.
What I mean is: he would have just moved to WSU to start the semester, (usually the 2nd week of August is official move in day for students)
Thinking someone from the house may have caught his attention that early on?
It amazes me that Byran didn't see all the cars parked outside and didn't say to himself...naaah not this place
Yea, I agree
We got the “former” everybody putting their 2 cents into this. Every goofball is coming out the woodward for screen time
Tracy is top notch!
The Goverment has been very inerested in this case
It's possible the killer is obsessed with the Amityville Horror murders. Both murders happened on November 13 at 3am. The address of the house in Amityville was 112. The address of the house in Moscow was 1122. It would be worth checking his PC and DVD collection etc for any indication obsession with Amityville Horror.
That's an interesting observation...
interesting
Very interesting!!!
And 11/13, 1122, and 2022 each add up to 6, so together they make 666.
Oh wow!
His sister was in a horror movie
He totally looks like someone who would do this.
He was a vegan. 2 of the victims were servers at a vegan restaurant. That’s where he met them (my opinion). Either obsessed with one of them or was rebuffed. (This is only my guess!)
I didn't know that, so do u think he may have talked to the girls or may have been following them
@@maryharris7985 don’t know, but seems a obvious place to have met the girls.
It wasn't a vegan restaurant, you can look at their menu online. They have a couple of vegan dishes, but he didn't eat anything that was prepared using the same equipment as meat was prepared, so he wouldn't have eaten there.
He got rebuffed by the 'plain jane' of the bunch and that SET HIM OFF !
Idaho student killing suspect Bryan Kohberger 'profiled' as a female hating young man with O.C.D. peculiarities and is a 28-year-old post graduate student at Washington State. Exhibits classic symptoms and habits of borderline personality disorder (BPD) that impacts the way he thinks and feel about himself and others, causing problems functioning in everyday life. It includes self-image issues (Undead Chronic?), difficulty managing emotions and behavior, and a pattern of unstable relationships. Likely a 'rage' or revenge incident motivated by bad interaction with one or more of the women. It is not known at this point if he is MGTOW. As with many MGTOW, likely a childhood trauma (i.e. Mother had an affair, bullied by a babysitter, etc ) triggers the RAGE AGAINST FEMALES later in life.
If you were to search vegan restaurants in Moscow…Mad Greek pops up
Everyone’s ok calling this guy a quadruple murderer but can’t question Dylan letting her friends bleed out while she slept for 6 plus hours then called her friends.Not the police.
Her friends.
This could have been my story. Give a person engagement .. even though it doesn’t feel right and then we lose our lives for it.
I think it’s a classic case of thrill killing.
This devil use to frequent the vegan restaurant where Maddy worked, and Kaylee and bestie was in the restaurant a lot. Someone needs to check this out!!!!!!!!
Xana worked there too.
Yeah. Easy senario. He tried to hit on them while eating veagan food. Was irritated from rejection, and followed them home. Studied there habits and committed the crime.
So sick of the evil that men do.
All genders do evil. It is not a purely male domain.
@@jasonbrown9979 Please. Save it, okay? You’re not making any helpful observations. There is an epidemic of violence against one sex by the opposite sex in this world. You’re either turning a blind eye to it or being willfully obtuse. Either way, the reality is the ratio is a hell of enough skewed that it bears noticing, especially if you are female. Saying all genders do evil is true but in this case pointless. I’m speaking specifically of men targeting and committing violence, including murder, against women, of which an equal ratio between both sexes is glaringly absent. Women do not kill their partners or kill senselessly or commit mass killings on anywhere near as grand of a scale as men. So when one sex commits violence this disproportionately, wtf point are you making with your reply about “all genders?” It’s not “all genders,” it’s an epidemic of violence and murder against women in which men are the main perpetrators.
@@spinflux This is not an epidemic. It is proportional throughout history. Men are the physically dominant sex. This is a biological fact. Since human civilisation began men were stalking and killing. It kept humanity alive for well over 200,000yrs. To say otherwise is naive at best. To assume this basic instinct can be irradicated by a civilization and system of law less than a few hundred years old is sadly fanciful and shows an unrealistic expectancy. My comment was not meant to justify this person's actions, but to give a more encompassing perspective. No doubt indeed that there is evidence of far more men than women finding their place as a stalker and killer. This is a biological pre curser. No doubt also that both sexes are guilty of such thoughts and actions. I wish you health, happiness and safety. Thanks for your comment.
@@jasonbrown9979 Men are aggressive because of biology. However, they’re abusive because of lack of morality and inability to deal with insecurity. Violence and aggression may be the biological factors behind men being dominant. It is not why they’re abusive and unable to function in a civilized society. That’s not biological. Stop making excuses and blaming biology for the lethal misogyny women and girls live with daily.
Tired of getting rejected by pretty girls, maybe? Idk
There’s more layers to peel back into this…very strange happenings here 😮
The "motive" is very weak, and it is sure to be exploited by the defense
Strong motive: Satanic hate. Thats all. Killed for the thrill!
Maybe the prosecutor will reveal the motives during the trial.
TH-cam playing their IDIOTIC "freedom of speech suppression" games again, it says 2 replies, but it only shows Helmy's reply
@@wqv5423ln Tough one to prove in a court of law, and is sure to GIFT the defense "reasonable doubt"
Sorry to let you know @Shea Reese, but youtube has decided to play GOD as usual and suppress your reply, but i could still see it on the notifications
Motive is not required
He looks exactly like he would do this. He looks like a crooked cop
Someone is lying, how did he get in
Sometimes there is no other motive than just to kill
Thats right.. Just hate! Kill for the thrill if you are demonized
Defense will push her not being afraid and not calling the police.
Am i correct on this that the girls had many parties there at the house. I’m just assuming he could of came as a loner to one of the parties driving by. Connected with one of the girls and blew him off maybe. I’m just assuming but to me he knew the inside of the house already, he knew the girls were on the 3rd floor maybe. No facts but i can see this play out.
I think he was definitely obsessed with one of them and also the fun and life they had. So very sad.
Is anyone looking at opportunities around late October or early November where there may have been casual contact between any of the victims and the suspect Brian Kohlberger?
His awareness of their house goes back to Sept. He'd been near it then.
He maybe found them online first
Yes he did contact the girls on Instagram!
There's a lot of reasonable doubt. Their star witness has not called 911 to this day. Someone else called.
A vegan with a leather sheath. Sold, stolen or that could have been planted on a single bed, with 2 victims bleeding for 8 hours. Their bloods not on it?
In affidavit even police said cell data says Brian's cell was near the crime scene on Nov. 14th, but police said he was not.
Police said daily that the car was a 2011-2013. Did they change the year to fit this guy? A guy close to his father & family?
A guy that's a teacher?
Kids that went and partied at the house wore Van shoes. Dylan wore Van shoes.
Really think this student would pick the night Ethan's jeep is there & a Door Dash guy in the driveway? Come on man. This dude is smarter than that.
Bryan's neighbor said she saw a girl with him. Maybe the girl lives near the crime scene. Maybe the girl is Dylan.
you do realise probably more evidence that hasn't been realised,
Oh, he doesn't look like someone who would kill?!?! He looks creepy to me.
Details don't "emerge"
Wonder what is running through the perpetrator dad’s mind? And his mom??……
Dad knew. That’s why he flew across the country to drive home with his son after the plates were switched to new ones. C’mon!
@@Anon1mous nahhhhh. He would’ve gone out there thanksgiving. Not waited all this time. I don’t think his parents knew at all. I feel really bad for them to be honest. You send your kid off to college, he is getting his phd, you’re so proud, and then he (allegedly) kills 4 people in a 15 min span one night. Their hearts are probably broken, or in denial.
I agree, he probably didn't see her. I'd imagine he was focused on getting out and didn't look past getting to that door.
Tracy looks like she could still be 20. (LOL) How reliable will Dylan's memory be under oath? Why pick a night when some members of the house were clearly awake? There's a lot here that doesn't add up. The affidavit is the version the prosecution wants everyone to believe, But how well will it stand up to cross examination?
There's a lot of reasonable doubt. Their star witness has not called 911 to this day. Someone else called.
A vegan with a leather sheath. Sold, stolen or that could have been planted on a single bed, with 2 victims bleeding for 8 hours. Their bloods not on it?
In affidavit even police said cell data says Brian's cell was near the crime scene on Nov. 14th, but police said he was not.
Police said daily that the car was a 2011-2013. Did they change the year to fit this guy? A guy close to his father & family?
A guy that's a teacher?
Kids that went and partied at the house wore Van shoes. Dylan wore Van shoes.
Really think this student would pick the night Ethan's jeep is there & a Door Dash guy in the driveway? Come on man. This dude is smarter than that.
Bryan's neighbor said she saw a girl with him. Maybe the girl lives near the crime scene. Maybe the girl is Dylan.
@@RyanSmith-uw2ni whys his dna on the sheath?
Ur thinking like me! A patsy he is! Why! No friends, no girlfriends no social life! Somebody latched on to that! Here is how I see it!! It may or may not be true!!? Brian is so desperate for a friend, lends his car out to everybody that's asks!! Thinking they will hang out with him,teach him to play pool,go bowling, go to the movies etc fix him up.on a blind date! They all say+car borrower's) they will hang out with him (but they never do) so many ask.to borrow the car, he puts a key fob under near tailpipe!m somebody latches in to the fact, all.these people come up & borrow the car & put it back! And see where the key is! Now one of the people that's sees this had a falling out with Kaylee & Maddie causing them to make fun of that guy in public causing everybody to laugh at him! He stalks the girls! Finds out lights on, lights off! Who's, in who's out! When does all lights go out! But Kaylee is target is leaving shortly so he has to act!! He kills them(he is tall athletic & bushy eyebrows) cleans car little!! Puts it back! He is the one that killed them & sets Brian up! Knife sheaf maybe Brian picked it up at Wal-Mart to buy because one of his fake friends were going to take him ?fishing! The defense might just show u a video of Brian in his robe & slippers opening up apt door to bring in the Sunday paper to read at 4 am when he wakes up! Opening the door, but its not on his doorstep, but looks its in the middle of hallway strewn about because guy at the other end of hallway walks his dog at 3:30 am & takes off leash dog runs up on the paper leaving it messed up all over hallway!! That's his alibi! He never left apt! Time of murders u see him open apt door to get his Sunday paper! Now what for prosecution! He's home the whole time!! The court goes nuts!! Now this may or may not happen! Brian could be so outta reality, he talked himself into believing he never did this horrible thing & it's somebody else !!? But we will find out?(or not? ( what do u think of my theory!
@@gailschwartz4037 Anyone else see the irony that this supposed incel, woman-hater, etc now has a female lawyer with long blonde hair next to him trying to save his life?
@@orangehoof he chose her because she got numerous people off because people tempered with evidence ,police lied etc. I think he checked her out? Don't know how.? Maybe he got the paper with public attorney bio? Don't know how ? Maybe he researched before caught & asks for her?
People are always surprised. ‘ O my God, he lived next door to me.’ Or: ‘My God, I went to school with him.’ That’s the scary thing, murderers live among us.
Yeah where should they live ?? On Mars ??
So BK cleaned his car in PA, so when his dad sat in the car didn't his father notice anything fishy
Like stains , foul smell .
I would think it would be very hard to get rid of the smell of dried blood/ tissue. It would have to be cleaned multiple times with special cleaning agents I would imagine.
Most probably he cleaned it temporarily just after the murder, and cleaned it again thoroughly in Pennsylvania after he started to feel unsafe, when the police said they are after white elantra and his two traffic stops made him more cautious.
I’m not defending him but tbh, he just drove the car across the country. It was probably filthy. Cleaning the car may be indicative of something and it may not. In this case, he had all that time to clean it, and seems to only clean it after he gets to PA??? Come on. Brian laundries mom cleaned the van as soon as Brian got back, from killing Gabby. Now that, was a major red flag
@@Helmy67 nah. If you’re gonna clean it, you’re gonna do it right the first time. Esp when the cops were all over the news looking for the car. You would think he would have not driven his own car, or kept it. It doesn’t make sense. Esp since he studies this stuff and should know damn well about Ted Bundy and his car being so easy to spot.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 if he cleaned his car once or twice, I think the forensic investigators can find traces of blood in some corners on the carpet, let us wait and see.
You know there has been two killings with the same MO only few hours drive away. I find it hard to believe America has more than one murderer with the same MO.