Michelin Pilot Sport 4S vs PIlot Sport AllSeason 4 vs CrossClimate 2 vs X-Ice Snow! Tested and Rated
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2022
- In this video we test the differences between a summer road tire, the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S, an ultra high performance all season tire, the Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4, the all weather Michelin CrossClimate 2, and an extreme / nordic winter tire, the Michelin X-Ice Snow, on snow to find the real performance differences between the four categories of tires in the dry, wet and snow!
How does the Michelin CrossClimate 2 compare to the Pilot Sport AllSeason 4 or the X-Ice Snow? This test has the answers!
The Pilot Sport 4S is often called the PS4S, the Pilot Sport AllSeason 4 the PSAS4, and the Crossclimate 2 the CC2.
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All four tires are leaders in their respective categories (summer, UHP all season, all weather and winter), with all the tires having won independant group tests in the past few years.
Each tire is tested in traction (acceleration), braking and a timed snow handling lap, wet braking and wet handling, dry braking and dry handling, comfort, noise, hydroplaning, wear.
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How the CrossClimate2 can be so good on snow and ice but still last as long as it does is mind-blowing.
Yeah that's mighty impressive for the US version!
@@tyrereviews I have 70k miles on my cross climate 2 with good tread left!
@@occckid123 Whattttt?! Do you only drive in straight lines at 40 mph?!
@@tyrereviews 😂
Yeah but in dry and wet condition they are pretty crappy...
I have CC2's on my wife's SUV and we take that bulky monster into the snowy mountains every winter. Never an issue. Perfect all-weather tires for daily vehicle.
I use a CC2 on my wifes SUV as a winter tire in SLC :)
@@tyrereviews They don't make the OEM sizes of the CC2's for my BMW X5 M Sport. So either I go with skinner and taller tires or run the AS4's. I think I'll just do the AS4's since we only go to the snow a few times a year... thoughts?
In my country we only get summer tires since it never snows, and still I watched the whole vid! The amount of time and effort it takes to do all testing is incredible
:D PS4S for you then!
Me, too! I leave the Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres on my weekend car all year round, but having lived in Sweden and dealt with tyre changes, I still find this interesting!
Just curious, where do you live?
@@Colorado_Native Costa Rica, instead of snow we do get a very defined rainy season, I actually wanted the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 for my Civic Si but they were too expensive for my budget, settled for the Falken Azenis FK510 for the price to perfomance ratio
@@flymachine014 Thanks for the reply. We bought my wife a Subaru Forester last year and it came with street tires, an all wheel drive car where we get snow (Pennsylvania) and they put lame tires on it. The first thing we did was put the Cross Climate 2s on it. They are great tires, good in the snow, good in the rain, quieter than what came on it with a better ride and handling. We had similar Michelins when we lived in Nova Scotia. Blessings.
So we had just put on the Michelin CrossClimate 2's onto our 2016 Subaru STI. Today was our first 'real' test. We had 7"-8" of unplowed snow on the way to work this morning. Tires were definately not 'on rails', but were super predictable, very stable, accelerated well, and braked extremely well. Thanks again for testing them (so many times), really happy with the tires.
Spot on review! I was swapping the Sport 4s with X-ice seasonally on my RS5. After retiring, had no need for the X-ice, sold them with the rims and went to the AllSeason 4 full time. Love them, never going back. Thanks for all your work, unbiased and practical advice!
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Love how quickly you do your comparisons! I feel like the convenience of having one set of tires for is worth the difference to the X-Ice3, especially having had the X-Ice3 for 4 years. Either way, your comparisons, both subjective and objective, were so informative!
Just got home to Kelowna, BC from Palm Desert, CA. Drove through numerous passes with some serious winter conditions. Compact snow and ice and some fresh snow going over the pass in BC. The climate 2s I installed on my 2020 Acura RDX performed unbelievably well. So Impressed with these tires!! Highly recommend.
This is exactly the tire video I was looking for! Thanks for making this at the perfect time! :) I'd also be interested to see how the performance of this bunch changes when the tires have worn down some. Currently run AS3+ and was surprised at my first experience with snow how easily it could kick out but mine are worn to about 5/32nds I'm sure at full tread it would have been better. Considering the Cross Climate 2 for more peace of mind in snow next time around. P.S. - just watched your next video you made after this and that answered my exact question lol CrossClimate2 it is! Round of applause for the best tire content on TH-cam! Keep it up!
I am having a set of Pilot All Season 4 installed tomorrow. Thank you for the review!
Thank you for comparing the CrossClimate2s to X-Ice. I recently dumped my X-Ice on my Corolla in favour of running just CC2s (wider than stock) all year round suspecting the X-Ice were overkill for where I live. So far, I am extremely pleased with the CC2s. I think they are the perfect road tire for most vehicles. The ability to run only one set of tires all year is a huge advantage in of itself but the fact you get little compromise to performance is downright impressive. Gonna buy CC2s for my wife's car too when her X-Ices are a bit older. Given that I put wide CC2 on my Corolla (225/45-R17 mounted on light wheels), I actually don't notice a huge decrease in fuel economy. What I did notice was that they are exceptionally resistant to hydroplaning. So much so that you need to be careful around deep puddles at higher speeds because the tire will literally pump it's way through and slow you down a lot more than a standard all season with straight cut tread. I also think the CC2s look cool which is a bonus.
Thanks for this review. I’m in U.K. with a Corolla and was wondering to get summer and winter tyres or only CC2s. Will get CC2s now
Just had a pair of CrossClimate 2 tyres installed on our Toyota Yaris TR (2011) in the UK. Did my homework before I chose them; wanted the best urban performance tyre for the dry, wet and snow. We’re not the type of people who abuse their cars by racing them about.
The difference, even installed on a compact Super mini like the 2011 Yaris TR is palpable - felt like a completely different car on the drive home - it previously had two non-matching super cheap budget “unknown” tyres on the front axle.
Did the same I traded in my Blizzaks to CC2's on my accord and they did better than I had hoped. Not as good as the Blizzaks in the worst conditions in Minnesota, but they pull through sufficiently I love em
As someone who lives in Michigan, the Cross Climate 2 tires are absoutely fantastic. They give me good enough traction for my semi-sporty Fusion if I want/need to fly through corners and race while still providing excellent traction and being super safe in the Michigan winters which can drop a foot of snow in one day with no warning in October or November. While you do pay a premium, they are well worth it for a truly excellent all-weather tire. They also last in incredible amount of miles as well. I'm running around 25,000 miles currently and they still look nearly brand new in terms of tread wear.
Such a great video and excellent commentary. This is literally exactly the video I wanted to see. I’m a Michelin fan and love all they have to offer, and I prefer an EV so this is awesome information! Couldn’t ask for anything better!!!! Thank you!!!
I use the A/S4 as the summer tires on my Forester XT in Alaska. They work brilliantly well, and I don't have to worry about dying if I don't put my studded winter tires on before things get all snowy and icy. I loved this comparison video!
Good logic :)
@@tyrereviews Here in Italy we rarely see snow , so for example I would never mount winter tires even in winter ,considering the amazing performance AS tires gets nowadays
why need to worry about dying when you can just stay at home or drive slowly?=) here in Finland we got sudden snow in May or even in June, so couple time i drove with my summer tyres, on snow, all you need to to drive slow and accurate, and yeah studded tyres rocks in winter
So many great Tyre tests that choosing summer and all season/winter tyres is now easier for us that like to make a well informed choice. Thanks.
This review is absolutely spot-on. I have driven both the MPSS and PSAS4 tires...but given these test results, I'm opting for the CC2 for our new BMW x3 M40i to give us that extra needed snow/ice performance needed in our winter conditions. The o.e. tires while stated to be "all season" do not have the 3peak symbol and test reviews (Tire Rack) show them to be marginal in the snow and ice. Safety first ...our MINI Roadster loves the PSAS4..and they do quite well too on the autocross courses! Thanks much for making this review..very professionally done. I appreciate both the stats and your objective commentary.
Bought a set of Cross climate 2s when they launched based off previous good experience with the original cross climates and + model. Your initial review of them really sealed the deal as was about to replace with another set of Bridgestone summer touring tyres (came on new to us car). Feels very good after about a year of driving on them that i noticed the same things you mentioned in this video about slightly slow or vague turn in. Otherwise they haven't missed a beat and will more than likely be replaced with the same whenever they wear out, which looks like it could be a long time!
I still have the original cross climate version 1 on my Saturn Vue. Really good tire
You know the weird thing is they collect a ton of little pebbles in the grooves and these act as pseudo studs.
Great in the snow! Finally got to test them last week on some fresh snow. That said, here in the US at least, I've noticed a more dramatic impact on range in my Model 3 with the CrossClimate 2 than I did with the original CrossClimate+ that I managed to get 36,000 miles out of. The stated rolling resistance is lower (fell from 9 to 8), whatever that unit means. Anyhow, I'm now over 1,000 miles on them, and still seeing about 12 to 15% range reduction, which is quite noticeable for road trips at any speed. I may wind up putting them on our other around-town lower range EV where it matters less.
What I'm getting at is Tyre Reviews is awesome, and I'm so glad to see comparative Rolling Resistance stats at this spot th-cam.com/video/421HkK4Nqss/w-d-xo.htmlm48s , which are found nowhere else! Now if only we had something like this in the US...
@@TinkerTry
If you're doing mostly highway. I would suggest a touring tire. Any high snow rated tire is gonna offer less range IMO.
If you can find ethanol free gas around you, this may offset the loss in tire rollong resistance.
@@TheAgentAssassin But ethanol free gas costs more so the differences in cost are minimal.
Another great video !
Being from Sweden, having used Nordic winter tyres for 25 years, the combination of soft rubber and very low tread wear never seizes to amaze me !
I usually run two sets of summer tyres to one set of winters, then it's probably time to change car 😅
Thank you. This summary was surprisingly helpful.
I have the CrossClimate 2 on my Mazda3 AWD and my CR-V. I have been very impressed!
Thanks for doing this test for real data and validating my choice.
Thank you!!! I was one of those people that asked to compare the CrossClimate2. It looks like a real winner, and super impressive in the snow
As soon as I saw the concept of this channel, I felt almost In a dream and subbed
Finally a test that has the AS4 with the 4s! Lets keep up the great testing with adding the AS tires to the performance test now that we have some data lets get the rest. Cheers!
Hope you enjoyed it!
I love your tests thanks for sharing this! I have owned 2 sets of A/S3 and will be due for some A/S4 soon on my hatch, the balance it gives you for a daily driver is perfect.
The AS4 was quite a good step over the 3+ so you're going to enjoy that upgrade!
Great review.
The most notable thing I find about the Crossclimate's is just how seamlessly the traction control intervenes on cold wet tarmac Vs a summer. You would think that 400hp, 425 ft lbs in a RWD would be too much for them, but they cope remarkably well. Note, I do not use them in the UK as a summer tyre.
I tried my Porsche Roadster with AS4 in the Canadian winter just for fun and decided to put it back in storage pretty quickly lol
I do my Crossfire the same! PS I just got the CC2 for my SUV
what you use in winter. I have a '16 m235i and wondering what summer/winter setup to run
Great detailed video as usual. The UHP All Season did what it does. Looking for the Pilot Sport 4+ or 5 to be launched soon. I only use Michelins. From their most expensive dry weather tyres/tires to their All Seasons. (Despite their years ago problems with wear. They know, getting 20K miles out of a 40-50K rated tyre/tire) They have somewhat corrected this recently. I know this is a Michelin facility commercial video. A Premier LTX lasting 20,000 miles with a 60,000 mile warranty was unacceptable. Many had this problem.
I just got some crossclimate2s and this is the first video I watched from this channel and oh my god what how have I never heard of this man before?? This video was literally everything I ever hoped for and so much more!!!! This is a textbook review video, I couldnt have asked for anything more, except review tires with an 08 subaru Impreza outback sport…. 😅
Where I live we legally have to put winter tyres on. It's very sensible as we drop below 0C for a couple of months but in the summer it gets to 30+. These videos are great at helping me make the right tyre choices!
I won't need new tires for at least a few years, but I enjoy watching your thorough reviews. Thanks!
Glad you enjoy them!
I used to use an ultra summer (and xice or blizzak in the winter) but had issues in the shoulder seasons. Sept/Oct or April/May it could be 25C+ and then snow for a day or two. So you either kept the winters on, or risked death with the summers. The AS4 gives up a fraction, but you know you won't fly off the road if there's a freak storm in Sept. That's going to be my "summer" tire from now on!
When you make the switch let me know how you find them. That's great logic for the purchase :)
@@tyrereviews I watched Steve Sutcliffe new tyre channel (I suspect without mentioning you makes reference to you as "data driven approach") I am convinced Scotland needs performance all seasons for year round safety over summer tyres for year safety. From your videos and his.
If any manufacturer brings uhp all season to market in eu please don't separate the all season test to all season touring and a all season uhp if you can.
I like the first (probably only) company to bring uhp all season to Europe. To show up the all season tourings in your wet scoreing so hopefully more manufacturers bring uhp all season to our market.
If it wasn't for your hard work I wouldn't be this clued up. Infact given your hankook runflat video AS kinergy I suspect for sporty feel on a all season the hierarchy would be
UHP AS>touring rft AS (stiff side wall sharper turn in)> touring AS
Ps why are kinergy 4s 2 rft so hard to find in UK... The reg version is ok
Is that a suggestion for dropping in a line like "this is the sportiest tyre we can get in Europe unlike NA..." For next year's all seasons test.
Yes yes it is! I am suggesting that for a future video.
@@monkiemurdie they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery :) I'm glad someone else is talking about tyres. Like most runflat tyres, they're only available in certain sizes in the range which means finding your size can be a bit hit and miss. I usually grade the best mild climate all season tyre in my tests, which a UHP all season would likely be.
I did exactly the same thing because of the seasons here but I decided to see how the AS4s would hold up in the first few snow storms. It did so much better than I expected that I didn't even bother getting snow tires last season and I was fine. I also have a AWD EV, so that definitely helps, but the tire is amazing.
I have the same issue, really considering the all season 4 year round for my WRX, all of my other cars I ran both summer and winter. Because in Michigan sometimes winter can be really bad but can have random times of cold or snow in the spring or fall. And it was awkward trying to figure out whens the best time to change, because summer tires get hard when it's cold and lose grip even without snow, which has almost gotten me into an accident.
I have been waiting for these exact tires and this exact test! Excellent!
Hope you enjoyed it :)
Very interesting test (as usual). Nice to see differencies between theses tyres to help us making the good choice. It would be nice to have a comparison between the crossclimate 2 of the US and the European one 😊! Best regards
I have a borderline unhealthy obsession with car tires and this channel is a great resource. Thank you so much for providing excellent reviews and data on one of the most critical components to a car's performance. I would love to see a comparison of all-weather tires in snow and ice conditions, specifically the new Pirelli WeatherActive to the CC2. It looks like the WeatherActive is Pirelli's answer to the CC2?
I have the same obsession
Thank you Jonathan! This is exactly the video I’ve been waiting for. I watch all your videos but this one is the closest to home for me for daily driving. I have a Model 3 Performance and I love the 4s tires but I do need some better winter grip 3 months out of the year. Thank you again! But how can you leave us with that cliffhanger of an ending? Looks like you’re learning from Marvel Studios. Lol.
More testing is always the best testing :)
Thanks, great vid. Logically by name and category that the manufacture provides, you kind of know where you stand, that said you work is fantastic. Your excellent work provides a direct visual and numerical (intellectual) comparison that is crystal clear. Being able to see the actual performance not trying to extrapolate from number and or descriptions is priceless. I chose the Pilot Sport all season 4 for my 2014 MX5, I am not going to track as that would require modification like expensive roll bar (it's a hard top convertible), but being that it had a 50/50 weight balance the 4S makes driving very rewarding. Living in North West Florida, no snow, with a few days of sub zero, occ light frost on bridges etc. the 4S is nice to have. Plus being 5 to 6 hours from the foothills and Blueridge and Smoky mountains it is excellent to have. You never know, I have been caught in the snow in April in the Blueridge mountains and the wrong tire in that instance is not a good place to be.
Thanks again, I am one of those who requested this after seeing your snow review and your thorough, systematic, first hand, visual data is 1000% on point. Cheers.
Get some reviews on www.tire-reviews.com :) sounds like you like tires
I am riding a FWD C-SUV, primacy 4 on it. This test showed me that CC2s are as good as primacy 4s, plus snow advantage. Where are live snow stays 3-4 days once or twice during winter season, sometimes never. CC2 s are improved a lot. I am far to CC2 but considering nowadays. Thanks for the great testing.
Jonathan, what an incredible video again. You tell all car-guys exactly what we want to know about tyres! Your kind of testing, comparing, showing exact data, is so incredible and out of this world. For me you are THE standard of tyre testing. It would even be better if you can test the tyres always on the same brand/model vehicle, but I understand that's not always achievable because you have to travel the world for it. And also notable is the fact you DO travel the world for it, to test tyres in real world situations and any climate conditions. Only drawback of this video is you didn't test it on ice, which is also important for winter climates, I miss that a bit. Keep up the good work man!
It's mainly because of YOU I bought CrossClimate+ 185/60 14" in fall last year and I'm still incredibly happy with it in the Netherlands! Great summer performance and still no worries about any winter conditions if they appear. And despite you don't test other tyres in this video, this video still confirms my choise of this tyre :)
Sadly I didn't get time to do ice, but you can be sure the X-Ice would be by far the best!
@@tyrereviews would be interesting to know how much worse the crossclimate2 is compared to x ice, but yes brilliant video
Thank you for the extensive review. It helped me feel even more justified in spending a bit more to put the CrossClimate 2 on my wife's Toyota Rav4 where winter safety is a much higher priority than summer performance... without having to have two sets of wheels.
But you'll still have to change CC2's lot earlier (they'll last only half as long). What is easier: changing wheels more often or changing tires more often?
@@ms-jl6dl First of all, changing tire more often is always advisable as tire lose their traction due to age. For people driving less than 20000km a year, dedicated snow is a waste if weather permit using all weather tires. Tires older than 6 years old, while not posing any safety risk such as failure if vehicle is stored properly, can greatly suffer from performance degradation.
And beside of that, changing tire every couple of years is also easier. No headaches for storing the wheel, no moving around of the wheel, and no extra cost to swap them twice a year. While tire rotation is no differ than swap tires in the sense of labour, tire swap was never offered as a free service like rotation.
And keep in mind, you do have the initial overhead cost on mounting the second set of tire. In the case of all weather tire, this was spent only when the first set worn to 1.6mm (or 3mm if winter is coming).
You made a great choice if you decided to buy the Cross Climates. Makes you feel like you made your family safer.
Thanks for this! Great to find actual data and comparisons.
Your channel is very underrated. Thank you as usual for your hard work.
Thank you very much for all the info.
One thing I would have liked to see was was dry / wet braking & handling numbers at cooler temperatures (e.g. -5C to 5C) (You often hear that winter tires have a significant advantage in cooler temps so I would have been curious to see how the PS AS4 and the CrossClimate 2 would have fared against the X-Ice Snow in cold but clear roads).
Poorly. He's done those exact tests before.
Using an electric car actually makes the video so much clearer. Your audio is so good while not having to compete with the noise that the normal ICE cars make
Finally a purpose for EVs! 😭
Great effort as always! I watch your videos every year, even if I dont need to change my tires. Though, tt would be interesting to compare the results closer to 30-32 Celcius.
I appreciate the extensive range of tyre cosmetics you have there on the shelf! :)
Yes, the definitive test! Thank you. If you get a chance to test CC2s on ice compared to X-Ice Snows, that would be a cherry on top. I imagine Denver is similar to SLC in a lot of cold dry driving and occasional heavy snow and ice so CC2s that do not completely compromise dry traction are a win.
I put the CC2 on my wifes SUV here
I love the Crossclimate 2's they are sporty enough for my WRX, and grip like hell in snow. Definitely the best all weather tire I have seen in my lifetime. AND 60k warranty!
I got a WRX recently. Have you tried All seasons? I want best traction for handling and seems All seasons are better and all weather CC are better for winter but less performance overall?
Now this is the video I have been waiting for! Fantastic!
Hope you enjoyed it!
I just got the cross climate 2s,simply amazing. Thank you for the video
Oh man oh man oh man, I've been waiting for this!!! And they are on a TESLA! I have PSAS4 on my Model 3 and was looking at ICEX to replace my Winter tires.
They'd be my choice given the RR levels
WHAAAAAAAT?!? ANOTHER VIDEO?? Yesssss!
Two in a month, crazy right!
I just Love Michelin tires! I have the CrossClimate 2 on my car and am very happy with them. It's nice to have a set of tires that feel so competent in snow, but also doesn't ruin the ride during normal road driving. I've never owned the Pilot Sport 4S, but did have the 3S+, and they were great as well!
Great vid, I'd love to see them tested on ice! Thanks for all the hard work!
Me too!
The graph you show at 13:35 is extremely valuable. Thank you! I have the “Bridgestone Weather Control A005 Evo” here in Germany and I guess it’s similar to the “Michelin Crossclimate 2”. Even the thread pattern is similar. Great tire and perfect for all seasons. Had no problems in a huge Alpine snow blizzard with BMW xDrive. Drives normal in summer heat but obviously not a race car tire.
It's amazing how much you gain with the CC2s in winter, compared to how little they give up in terms of dry and wet performance. I have fitted CCs to our daily drivers for the past few years as an all year round tyre - and honestly I wouldn't go back to summer tyres.
@@eljay5009 how they perform after these few years? I make 5-6kkm a year, so I won't tear them off quickly.
@@las3k91 I have had no issues with them right up to needing to have them replaced due to wear - they performed well. I didn't notice them wearing out any quicker either.
@@eljay5009 thank you for the info :)
Right. It's a great graph.
The AS4 Is the perfect Canadian summer tire in my opinion. It’s sporty and fun, but if you don’t get your winter tires on before the first snowfall, you’re not immediately dead haha. Plus, overnight low temps in the summer can be only 10°c where I am, and the AS4 Is well targeted for that temperature range
Can't argue with that logic really :)
It is perfect for Alberta where we can see -5 in the mountains and +25 in the city on the same day.
It’s an excellent choice
Will switch to as4 after my as3+
I am debating aplin or xIce for the other set
Or stay with the hakkapeliitta R
why not switching to CC2 then?
@@rcl998 cc2 is not enough performance for the snow and ice we get, and I want more for the wet during the summer. I also don’t mind storing and switching. I have cc on another vehicle, will be switching to cc2 on that one.
The only extra to add to this test for next year, is a add another test, you did the dry/wet test in 20’C ish temps, do the same test but below 10’C so the difference temp makes to tyre types. 👍
Such a good channel doing the Tyre industries work for it.
Thanks for this overview - and thanks for your "Best 10 All Season Tires for 2023/24 - Tested in the Dry, Wet and Snow!" video review (plus Instagram posts) showing all-season and winter tires with similar tread designs. Looking forward to seeing how the Bridgestone Turanza Allseason 6 compares to the Michelin CrossClimate 2.
I know it might have been hard to do, the only thing I would have wanted to see added to this video was grip performance in dry and cold weather. When I purchased my performance winter/snow tires, it was in large part based on cold handling characteristics since I only spend a minority of time handling on actual snow. It would be really interesting to see a comparison to an all-weather tire in those conditions.
Speed Academy did a dry track test a few years back of a Continental winter tire versus a performance all season tire in -15C / 5F weather. The all season tire outperformed the winter tire by a significant margin both in lap time and braking.
@@matthewbrown7659 I wonder if this was partially because the tires had time to heat up during track use?
Anecdotally it checks out though, all-seasons have been doing fine for me as long as it's been dry. Wet/salty/cold was super slippery for me on AS but OK on winters, but I don't have any science to back it up
Great video and just what I was looking for. I definitely like the CC2 performance compared to the PS4S and the AS4. Negligible performance decrease in the dry and wet compared to the other 2 with much greater performance in the snow. It's great as a winter tire for the Canadian west coast with our more wet and milder winter with the occasional surprise snowfall. One thing I'm curious about is ice performance because of our lesser snowfall and greater rain, overnight freezing and ice is of greater concern. I'll still run a dedicated summer/winter setup but definitely going to consider it for my next winter tire.
I got the AS4s as a summer tire that I wouldn't have to change in fall in case we got a freak snow storm. But after trying them out a couple times in the snow I just ran with them all winter and they worked great. I was shocked that something so close to a summer tire could actually work that well in the snow. Next year I might use the CC2s in the winter but I definitely don't feel like I "need" to.
I've been using the CrossClimate2 on my Touareg and they're fantastic! Highly recommend.
Just put the AS4’s on my RWD X5. First snow experience earlier today was a dream. Felt extremely confident.
That was the mind blowing test. It was a perfect comparison. Perfect weather condition, excellent tire choice, in point comparison!!! Just brilliant!!! It would be great if you could test All Weather tires at higher speeds, 100mph and over. We went on to the continent last year and we noticed that slightly unprecise in England becomes highly dangerous on a German motorway. That is something that no-one mentions. I just bought Dunlop All Season as the Pilot Sport All Season were unavailable (I still had to bring them from the continent), so I will have comparison to General Grabber GT, that became scary to drive with such a speed.
My Subaru STI came with Dunlop's from the factory. I got rid of them before they were worn out because I hated them so much. Initially I switched to Bridgestone RE980AS and they were a great improvement over the Dunlop's, unfortunately I ended up having to use the tread life warranty to replace them after just one summer, seems they didn't like the factory rear camber settings of the STI. I replaced them with the Michelin PS A/S 4's this summer and the difference is night and day. They have an excellent on center feel, really locked in, they weight up nicely in the corners and give excellent feedback as to what the tires are doing. (also no uneven wear like the Bridgestone's). The performance of the Dunlop's is downright embarrassing in comparison, it truly doesn't even feel like I'm driving the same car. I have zero desire to move up to a full summer tire, the A/S 4's are all the performance I could want and allow me to run them more of the year before switching to winter tires late December to early May.
I know it's been almost a year since you wrote your reply, I'd be interested to know your take on the Dunlop's.
@@curtisjmurphy I have Lexus RX and the Dunlops All Season Sport have been nothing but great. Very quick steering, great traction on ice and snow. They could have better traction on dry though, but I cannot complain about them otherwise. Excellent in rain. They are about a year old now and I would be probably happy to put buy them again. Next winter and a winter after that will tell if the choice was good though, as winter tires should last at least 3 if not 4 season. With regards to Michelin AS 4, I couldn't find them in my size and Dunlop was the only reasonable choice as they are high performance all season tires. One disadvantage, they developed flat spots very quickly, however I think I mange to flatten them down.
I bought cross climate 2’s because of your previous videos. I can say, best all tires I’ve ever had. Most fun I’ve ever had in my life in the snow, pretty good in the rain and decent when it’s hot and dry on the backroads. Perfect all around tires. They’ve a little loud but that’s literally the only negative thing I can say about them. 11/10 would/will buy again
Any difference in mpgs?
Rumbling sound....
I have the AS4 as my off-summer tire. A very nice tire. I live in the mid-Atlantic so our winters are not too harsh. In the summer I have Pirelli P-Zeros...currently in winter storage.
Because of your tests: A few months ago I picked up my new Ford Maverick, FX4. The 1st thing I did was go to Costco, & install Cross Climate 2's. I sold the stock tires on Craig's List.
It would be interesting to see the Dry/Wet testing again just above freezing instead of 70F to see if there is any change in the results.
the Pilot Sport 4S is the best summer tire I have ever used...ever!! superb handling, super grippy under braking, terrific cornering, etc. Perhaps a little less communicative at the steering wheel, but once you get used to it after testing, then you trust what you've got, and awesomenss ensues. I'd never spent $200 a tire before, but I must say it was well worth it. I am a very passionate driver and I absolutely love these tires!!!
How is it in the snow ?
@@maliknexus Is that a joke question?? You couldn't even dream of using these in the snow!! It would be a total disaster.
@@maliknexus The PS4S tread gets hard as a rock when it's in the 20 degree F range. So they would be a disaster in the snow! They are the best summer tire I have ever used though and they are OK even in the 40s. Having said that, the CC2 does look like an impressive all around tire.
Great video, thanks - the all weather is the perfect full-size spare for running two sets IMO - good in summer but more importantly safer in winter - so long as it's non-directional, like Nokian's WR - I run studded directionals as winters in Canada and have always dreaded needing my summer spare due to the extreme tractions differences - thankfully, I haven't needed yet! One drawback of directionals...
Man you are a legend. Thanks for the great content!
I would have liked to see cold dry and cold wet testing to prove the EU all season being better than winter tires in mild climates without snow.
Great test, thanks!
That's more of a comparison between temperatures for 1 tyre then different tyres. But true that's interesting information and I'm sure Jonathan tries to do such testing. Btw I can remember one of his video's in which he test such things in a indoors temperature-controlled environment, you might try to find that video :) I think this is it th-cam.com/video/bKtnczk8Mxk/w-d-xo.html
I tested as late as I possibly could this year to try and get colder conditions but sadly we were all having a heatwave :(
We want AS4 in EU!
great video as allways. Tina Turner would say simply the best.
Excellent comparison again!
Been waiting for this exact test! I already fitted one car with the X Ice Snow and another car with the CC2 so its good to see i have what i need
Nice combo! :D get a review on www.tire-reviews.com !
Just put over a year on my CrossClimate2's. I have to say I'm rather impressed with them. I live in NH so I do inclines with snow ~25% of the year.
Is your car AWD or 2WD?
You were really pushing that Tesla very hard in some of those shots 👍 Well driven.
Thanks for doing these comparisions.
I'm glad you spend so much time on Michelin tires. That's all I buy for my passenger vehicles. Shame I can't get the AS4, CC2 or the Defender2 for my wife's GLE.
I have replaced my PSAS4's with CC2's. My PSAS4's returned, when new, 60' times of 1.86-1.87 very reliably. My CC2's are returning 1.89-1.91 very reliably. Handling is "softer all around" with the CC2's, but I don't feel they are sloppy or untoward even on a 600hp car. In the rain/wet weather, the PSAS4's returned 60' times in the high 1.9's and low 2.0's, the CC2's are returning 1.94-2.0. This surprised me. They are doing this even in 35*f weather. The PSAS4's lasted me roughly 19k miles until 4/32 tread depth and were an excellent tire. I'll see how these CC2's do.
How are the CC2s doing?
@@yupyup4209 I have about 8K miles on them. They are pulling 1.87-1.89 60' times in the dry, and around 2.0 in the wet. In the snow they pulled a 2.95, ROFL! Efficiency drop was 7.5% from the PSAS4's and Hankook ION AS SUV. Braking distance is about 35ft LESS than the PSAS4 in the rain, but 10ft MORE in the dry. Tread is down to 9/32 all around. Overall, I am absolutely pleased.
@@UnobtaniumsQuickReviews That's awesome to hear, thank you for the update!!
I just purchased the CC2’s in June and immediately lost between 2-3 MPG on my TDI Passat. A week ago I switched to my X-Ice winter tires and gained them all back again. Prior to the switch I was running Pirelli Cinturato all season tires. I wish I would have gone to just about any other quality tire.
I had a set of X-ICE snow's on a 2018 Subaru WRX and loved them. Heck I liked them even better than my summer tires. This was mostly due to having more sidewall as I was running them on 17 inch wheels instead of 18's. But the grip was actually good enough for daily driving and outstanding in the snow as well. Now I have an Acura RDX and just ordered a set of Crossclimate2. It should be good enough for winter and save me having to own a second set of wheels.
Running CrossClimate2’s EU spec on honda Jazz (honda fit). Massive upgrade from previous summer tyres in the wet/heavy down pours. I live in the country side where theres often mud on the road and in winter the roads are not gritted. Looking forward to see how cc2’s perform in the snow. I fitted the tyres after running off the road last year after snap snow fall one afternoon. Im not breaking any land speed records in the jazz so the cc2’s are more than capable for my driving.
Any feedback on these on your hatch a year on? I’ve just ordered 4 and can’t wait to get them on
I run the X-ice snow in the winter and Pirelli UHP tires the rest of the year on my awd cadillac ats here in Michigan. I love the grip, feedback, snow safety net, and increased tread life of the UHP compared to a full blown summer tire, and the winter tires really handle Michigan winters with ease. When it comes time for new UHP tires, I'll be going with the Michelins.
Nice combination, get some reviews on www.tire-reviews.com !
Excellent review as usual
your work should be publicly funded. the absolute authority on tyres. and i absolutely love that the tyre companies obviously recognise that and invite you to test their stuff.
... This dude's tire test series is the very best. .. Informative & entertaining. .. Can't beat that! .. Subscribed years ago..
+1.. Full disclosure: .. Our household is a big-time Michelin user/fan having experienced the Michelin PS2 225/40/17 with my 1998 Carrera S (993) for more than two decades. ..
With our new 2023 MB E450 Wagon (USA). Had the delivering MB dealership ditch the Conti Run Flats before delivery @11 miles. . Fitting Michelin 245/45/19 X-Ice snows for the NJ to Vail, CO road trip. ..
For the Vail, Colorado spring & summer months, I'd go with the Michelin Pilot Sport All-Season 4, also in OEM size 245/45/19 ... @ Costco for $285. ea .. Agreed, the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is a killer summer tire.... the 4S wear metric of 20K miles kills me. .. Taking a flier on the PS A/S 4 for superior drive character & decent wear character at realistic 25K to 30K miles
It always amazes me how you drive fully relaxed at that speed on snow 😂✌️
Years of practice (and good tires)
Around a year ago in 2021, when I got a Nissan small hatchback FWD car, I studied a bit about what tyres can handle most terrain in the south of the UK as I always do in London, after a week I got all 4 cross climate plus for my car.
In 2022 summer the tyres perform great in heatwaves all the time and in very bad rains a bit later in the fall of 2022.
Just last Sunday London got heavy snow and the whole city was stranded. But a little silver Nissan hatchback still had its full control in the snow and icy road. I pick up 2 colleagues up and down and drop off at their homes at around 1:30 am, then made my way back home safely avoiding the A406 as all cars were blocked there.
That happy hatchback driver in the whole night of snow outperforms 100% of sports cars because of these brilliant all-season tyres, with a 1.2-litre small hatchback.
And I am that driver. Great job Michelin!
Fantantic information. 2 Tyre is perfect.
We love our Cross Climate 2's on a Legacy 3.6R year round. Wet handling is confidence inspiring, sporty enough for aggressive daily driving, quiet and smooth. Now do a lengthy episode on the behind the scenes for production. I want to see a video dedicated to the preparation, the test tracks and how they are designed and works, how metrics are collected and analyzed, how much input the manufacturers have on test methods and whatnot.. I'll keep asking!
Being in my first car (econobox hatchback) I chose CC2s as they just give me the confidence all year round in the UK but looking ahead I want to get something sportier and it stumps me how Michelin doesn’t have PSA/S4 in the UK/EU market!!!
This comparison between tire types from Michelin was hugely valuable to me !
The3 CrossClimate2 is not available for another 2-3 months and i need tires now... My driving is in mostly in North Carolina with occasional winter trips up in to the mountains of Pennsylvania where snow driving might be required. This test helped me decide that performance of Michelin's Pilot Sport All Season 4 would be a good fit to my needs.
If i were to make a recommendation - this type of comparison represents the real choice / decision facing customers when they choose tires and including some UHP All Season in with Grand Touring or regular All Season Tires gives us a cross section that makes decisions easier and hopefully Better. THANKS For doing this test!
Well, I'm super happy I have the Pilot Sport AllSeason 4 on my Model S!! Thanks!
I’ve used a set of PSAS3 and AS4 in the past. For NW Oregon, they are legitimately an all year tire. We rarely see more than a few days of snow and usually only see occasional ice overnight when very few people are driving. Because my partner and I both have jobs were we must be at work, regardless of weather, and we have to commute 40 miles one way to get there, we both have dedicated winter tires. If we both worked in town and could call out on a particularly bad weather day, the PSAS4 would work for us year-round. I prefer it over the Crossclimate because, even for a sporty car, there is very little gap between the PSAS4 and a dedicated summer tire when daily driving in the wet and dry, and it’s usable to get you home relatively safely in a surprise snow fall. The Crossclimate2 loses a lot more traction and driving fun in the wet and dry vs a summer tire, so the trade off for better snow and ice traction just isn’t worth it for us (especially when we have winter tires).
Get some reviews on www.tire-reviews.com :)
Would you consider doing the AS4 for your summer tire and then the CC2 for your winter tire since you're in PNW? It seems the CC2 has better wet/dry performance than a full winter tire and since you don't get that much snow, would the CC2 be the better trade off?
Would love to see a comparison on the Pilot 4S vs the AS4 in dry/ wet handling at temperatures below 45 degrees without snow.
I generally switch out PS4S for AS4 in the winter in North Carolina because for a couple of months out of the year with often have temps below 40F and occasional snows
BTW this channel is awesome. Potentially life saving information you are sharing with us!
It's hard to control the weather but i'll keep trying!
Agreed I’d also like to see comparison of Pilot 4S vs some good all season tires in colder temps but without snow. Between 30-45 would be good
@@tyrereviews would you recommend the AS4 for a Camaro Zl1 in Pennsylvania?
@@dollars_rd1073 I think they would be okay but I'd rather have dedicated winter tire so then a ps4s for summer instead
@@tyrereviews would be very interesting, i live in a snowy country and in the end of then summer tyre season its very noticeable that sporty tyres gets quite crappy at a few Celsius, esp when wet.
LOVE YOUR REVIEW!
LOVE THE MICHELIN PILOT SPORT AS 4'S
Cotinental Pro Sport Contact tires came OEM on 2015 VW 1.8T Jetta Sport. Excellent, responsive, comfortable handling road tripping 24K miles all over Western/Southwestern US for 6 months. Arrived in Denver, got stuck in front yard in light snow. Fitted Michelin Premiere All Season Touring tires, excellent in snow, less responsive handling with a bit harder and certainly louder ride than Continentals. Switched out these winter/summer tires for 5 years , went through second set of Premieres.
Just went to using one AS tire. Fitted Continental top AS tires, drove around city and nearby canyons for a week, comfortable ride, but without much road feel, even in a Jetta Sport with wide track/low profile tires and stiff 5.75 inch springs. Headed up to mountains, loaded with 180 pounds of camping gear (perfectly distrubited). Absolutely Pathetic: Tires "floating" all over the road, and suddently "grabbing and darting diagonally" without notice, at any tire pressure. Never even got up past canyons into the snow (which they are highly rated for). Turned around, drove directly back into city to return tires.
Fitted Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4's (Premieres have been discontinued, Cross Climate 2's quite a bit more money but with longer tread life). Incredible upgrade for just a few more bucks. Excellent; sporty, precise, predictable handling in canyons, very comfortable, quiet ride. Full ABS Braking on city ice pack very good, nearly as good as Premieres. Just returned from Keystone Ski Resort, via Arapaho Pass, lots of fresh powder, snow pack, some ice, with a little slippage, but still very predictable, plowed forward on inclines - No Problem!
With 128K miles in the rearview, looking forward to the next 128K AS 4 Michelins year round into the future!
Wow I love this channel so much. How is it that this has never come up in my feed before? Subscribe and like I love all videos about in depth reviews and comparisons for tires, especially michelins. Thanks so much!
I live in the snowy/Icy North of the U.S. not Alaska, and all I can say is I have the Cross Climate 2 for 2 years and this tire has performed better then any high end all season I've come across. This is currently my 2nd winter with these set of tires at 22k miles. I had the tires driving 50 miles on very big and loose gravel back roads for 1hr I swore the tire was going to pop but it performed well.
I have the CC2s as well and the rocks get stuck in them like crazy. Love the way they perform though!
@Zach P LOL, I'll be picking them off when I do a walk around of the car. It'll just be a few here and there for me.
I think the AS4s are great, I replaced my OE tires on my 2018 a4 allroad end of winter 2021 with them. I live in Denver where we get snow maybe 10-15 days during the winter but typically we just have dry cold winter days, so the AS4s are more than up to the task for those conditions. Only problem is with ice and extremely cold snowy conditions the braking and grip goes to hell quickly which makes me consider running a dedicated set of Nordic winters from November to March. Or maybe I’ll just stay home on those days!
what would you say is the low temperature range these tires handle well? Online everywhere it's mentioned that all-season are not good below 44 F (7 C).
You came through with this video!!! Thank you so much! You have me struggling to decide between these 4 tires. I live in Seattle and go to the mountains often during the winter (even to Whistler Canada) and really need that emergency braking power from the x-ice snow or CC2. But the AS4 is a serious contender for the rest of the year… I still think I did the right thing going for my PS4S as a summer and X-ice snow for my winters! The X-Ice is def noticeably worse compared to the other 3 Michelin tires in the dry/wet. Thank you so much for this video!
I think you made a good choice, the only other option would be to swap the X-Ice for CC2 if you don't end up on snow that often.
@@tyrereviews yeah that’s actually very true… you’re making me second guess myself with the CC2 vs x-ice snow tires 😅 I guess since I only drive around snow ~3 weeks per year, prob better to go with the CC2 esp cuz it just rains 9/12 months here in Seattle. Thanks again!!
Your videos are so professional and helpful. Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Even where i live in Norway (at the coast) i would love to have the Pilot Sport AllSeason 4 as my winter tyre, most of the driving in the winter is in wet conditions.
Nice