Good tyres, decent brakes, and decent suspension should help a lot. These are especially important on small tracks such as the one in the video, where power and aero matters less
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You need to shorter the transmission! To get more power you cannot go that fast on this track! And trow away all the interior ( if we can, its free, and we can get some money back!)
As a Subaru owner, it's easier to take the engine out to replace the clutch, rather than taking the gearbox out. - If you want good power, find the VF48 turbo from STI and slap some STI intercooler with STI injectors, should give you around 350bhp. -Coilovers and anti roll bars, with antilift kit for bigger caster in the front, to reduce the understeer. -Subaru forester gearbox with the 4:44 final drive, it will help a lot on this short track. -Good lightweight wheels with some nice rubber. -Gut the interior and put some nice supportive seat, the one in the Subaru has no support In my opinion, WRX can come pretty close to the Lambo
My thoughts exactly. I have a 2002 WRX with the 4.44 gears, definitely going to swap to the STI turbo and injector setup and going to go front mount. Also, did you need to hammer a screwdriver in to split the block and trans like they did here becuase I did when I did mine 😂 it was at 320,000 km tho and Ontario weather, even tho it hasn’t been wintered in forever and the body and frame are really good still, the block and bell housing were basically welded together lol
I wonder how much aero can affect the subaru. since the track is short, drag isn't as important as donwforce. So stick some canards/diveplanes (they can be cheap if homemade) to the front and rear, that will help in fast corners
Not in any appreciable way. The track is short so you're not going fast enough to get any real airflow over the surfaces so you won't make any useful downforce without resorting to kitchen table sized wings. If you look at high end time attack cars they use massively oversized wings and spoilers to generate usable downforce at relatively low speed, this said they also have massively powerful engines to facilitate pushing these huge wings through the air. The point of downforce is to push the tyres into the road surface in order to increase the contact patch area and therefore increase traction, a far simpler method of achieving the same result is to just to let some air out of the tyres. In simple terms, contact patch = vertical load/tyre pressure, so to increase contact patch you can increase vertical load through weight or aerodynamic downforce or lower the tyre pressure.
@@DjDolHaus86 Point of downforce is not to "increase contact patch" (Where did you even heard that). Point of downforce is increasing weight of the (not the mass), more weight = more friction = more grip. Also orginal comment is right, because on such short track maximum achievable speed is not as important as the exit speed from the turn, which will obviously become more if the Bubaru has downforce. More speed out of the turn = more speed on short straights. But I dont think canards, or something as small would make a big difference, I think the need some basic, big aero. Like a wang, splitter, flatfloor with diffuser (its sad that they dont have space for front diffuser).
@@pablomahe1284 Even if they gut the car it's still going to be in the 1300kg range. A well designed wing might add 60kg of downforce at 100mph but they've got a wagon/estate and 100mph is around a corner is ambitious at best. Canards obviously have a far smaller surface area than a wing so will produce far less downforce, they are also close to the body rather than out in the clean air so they are less efficient. Generally canards are more of a tool for enhancing other downforce generating devices by altering the airflow, if you've got an effective front splitter generating low pressure you can use canards to keep separation from higher pressure air. Overall I'd say that if they've got some large diameter plastic drain pipe laying around and they can fashion a couple of canards out of for free then no harm in trying but if they've got to spend £100 on materials or significantly more on premade items then that money could be better spent elsewhere.
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Would stripping out all the seats, and extraneous heavy bits be allowed? You could probably make up for the deficit in power if you could make the vehicle lighter. Also a suspension upgrade might help a little bit lmao. Overall this series is really fun to watch, its relaxed but also serious and very funny.
I think they can get away with replacing the front seats with racing bucket seats which are much lighter. The Subie needs to remain practical, as stated in the previous episode. Removing the rear seats would essentially remove the practicality. It would be interesting to see what kind of weight reduction ideas they can come up with in the next episodes.
@@skygrasper_47 I don't think they'll have the budget for bucket seats that's the problem. I think they'll stick to simple / minimal weight reduction measures ]
It’s supposed to be more practical and faster than a super car. So if you only have 1 seat and a metal interior with no radio that’s not as practical as a super car.
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We know that the 400hp evo in top gear back in the day kept up with a murci, so if the boys spend their money wisely they can beat this in such a tight track
That Murci was running properly on top gear too, it was also a fast open track more suited to a Lambo. This Lambo is sick and he shouldn't have been pushing it with that atrocious misfire. The ignition was breaking up the whole time under load, the WRX should better it quite easily with that budget if used right
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Think Scott might have done you a huge favour here. The Murciélago was never made to be a track day monster like some other supercars. It's very much style over substance. So if there's any supercar you could realistically beat, this would be it
GG wagon, even WRX, has thin 17mm stabilizer in the rear, that's the first thing to upgrade [in 100% fixed car :D]. Second thing are plastic links to metal ones and steering rack mount bush, makes a lot of difference in steering response.
Tyres, suspension, brakes and some weight saving will shave a good 4-5seconds off I'd think. Plus, although you wanted a fair comparison with the driver, as Scott drives the car more he will naturally find more time. However you've kind of shot yourself in the foot by using Curborough. Being such a short and technical track power won't count for much. Another second maybe 2 on top of the 5 with the handling mods. So I'll say now you'll get down to a 1:19 at best and then really struggle to find the last 3 seconds. Good luck, I'll be keeping an eye on this.
I'm happy that they chose a short and technical track because it's the kind of track where less powerful cars have a chance against 600hp supercars. I hope they spent most of the budget on grip rather than power. But we will see.
Part of the challenge is that the Subaru has to be more practical than a supercar. Though I am also sure they could argue a stripped down Subaru wagon is more practical than a supercar so I'm curious to see where this leads!
I think their best chance at getting it to out match the supercar is to match or exceed it’s power to weight ratio. There’s only so far you can push the power on the stock boxer without some very expensive engine work. Weight reduction will make the most of whatever power adder they choose. Plus, if you do enough weight reduction, you can add some back in opportune spots to help your handling.
Challenge accepted and completed this past week. Changed a clutch on a almost identical car. Go through fender well with a very long prybar on both sides and go back and forth between the bars. And really reef on it it. Like almost where you feel like you're breaking it. Then it will go pop.
They are a good clutch, used to have the same on in my 99 WRX, and they will take more power then stated. Good tyres and breaks and a big rear sway bay will make a massive improvement.
@@alexwong7324 *edit.. rewatched it and your right it's 3 laps 👍🏼.. although its 3 laps at under 2 mins total so I imagine they'd be fine with just some decent pads
Kinda similiar with the style, but in Top Gear thay didn't really try to do it well, I always felt kinda sad they didn't make an attempt to actually create a faster car because it would be pretty cool to see a modded Avantime zooming around
Based on all the advice from last video, it seems like: Sway bars 200 tw tires on fat light rims Lowering springs+short shocks (save $!) Racing pads and fluid (save $!) Interior gutting to allowance Front Camber plates Bushings (subframe, lca, etc) Light exhaust with headers for a power tune Anything else?
I think you're gonna have to fully strip the interior to bare metal, remove the rear seats, the stereo, cut a couple hundred pounds out to stand a chance. Coilovers, boost controller, injectors, fuel pump, a new bigger turbo, an ECU with a good tune, and brake pads will be necessary as well. If there's any money leftover, some better suspension components to allow for some suspension geometry tuning will help close the gap some more.
Tip for anyone doing a wrx Trans removal.. on the top of the Trans there is a rectangular boss that is on the bell housing and a flat on the back of the block The gap is just over 3/8" put a 3/8 extension tip in there and use a ratchet to turn the extension 45° It let's you get a wedge in there and gets you a starting point to work around and get the box free
My service team replaced the gearbox during a rally in 40 minutes, with the turbo dead hot. But they were Subaru racing professionals . Nice job, guys, keep doing, you're awesome!
So when my friend and I were removing his trans on a non-turbo Subie, we used a come along (ratchet strap) to pull the trans off the motor. Worked like a charm.
Idea for weight saving: Bend the rules by removing everything behind the two front seats and fitting a plank out of plywood that would make the Subi arguably even more practical since it would have a massive trunk with a completely flat floor so it could easily fit some spare trackday tires.
If u are doing this urself its a pulltype cluch and it has a pin at the top that releases the clutch fork also I found it easier and quicker taking the engine out FYI remove the rad and there is plenty of space in front of the engine. Just food for thought
This is a great series, but I can't help but think there were better cars out there that cause less of a headache in terms of carrying out modifications. Off the top of my head, my go to would be a MK4 Golf GTI or Polo GTI (anything with a 1.8 20VT engine basically) Why? They're extremely cheap, they're lightweight, they're tried and tested because the VW community is massive. Parts are interchangeable with a lot of other platforms to create worthy upgrades. There's an abundance of Aftermarket support with many write ups on how to do it. Also the early model engines come with a forged crankshaft & forged pistons. Car - £1000 TT Front Suspension upgrade - £200 VR6 Brake Upgrade - £300 Forged rods - £300 Coilovers - £800 Uprated clutch - £1000 550cc Injectors - £300 Intercooler - £300 GT25-550 Turbo setup - £2,100 ECU Upgrade - £1,000 Sway bar upgrade - £200 Wheels and Tyres - £1000 £7,600 (plus other silly little bits like couplings, clamps, bolts, lines and adaptors) You have a 400hp car that slays tracks and still have £5k left for other things like meth injection or a Quaife LSD to help put the power down.
Here in Australia Subarus are regarded by most as easier and cheaper than VWs to work on and modify, plus there are so many of them that parts and aftermarket are easy , this is probably the case in many places outside Europe.
@@farnarkleboy It probably makes sense considering that you're closer to Japan and you guys have a lot of Japanese cars in general over there, so it would be seen as the usual thing to work on. Whereas in Europe, 70% of the cars on the road is either VAG, BMW or Mercedes. I've watched someone who's owned Japanese cars their whole life replace a radiator on a VW Golf and get so annoyed by having to remove other parts just to get at it.. Whereas I'd think nothing of removing the front end and core support off a car to get at the radiator, because I'm used to it and can do it pretty quickly. All I meant when I said "easier to work on" was the fact that around the engine bay of a boxer engine is not convenient at all for basic things like spark plug changes or even gearbox removal in comparison to a 1.8T engine.
Lads I don't mean to be rude, but your thumbnails are a borderline ripoff of Donut's HiLow series, down to the shades of blue and yellow used for the cheap vs expensive color scheme. Love the series tho!
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Awesome! Good to see episode 2 is as humorous as ep1, can't wait to see how it goes. I predict you'll get close to the time of the Murci.. But not the sound!!
Should be doable - try and find used performance parts, port stock turbo, gut it. Tires, reducing turbo lag and power to weight are the key on such a small track.
It's so much easier imo to take the entire engine out on EJ motors to do clutches. But then again I've never had a lift when doing them and I've done many of them. You can get these motors out in like literally 30 minutes with two people.
the first time i got my engine and gearbox apart, it literally took a club hammer and bolster chisels and screwdrivers. it was practically welded in place.
Everything depends on the tires. If they use the same compound on both cars it will be very difficult but if they cheese it and put what are essentially track tires on the subaru, then it has a very real chance.
With all due respect this ain't how you do it if you want to have the cheapest fast track car possible. Best option is the following: Buy a cheap audi TT 225 with a bam engine. You can get these under a grand. Then remap the 1.8T to about 300bhp (or buy one already remapped). Spend a couple grand on suspension mods (bracing, coilovers, roll bars). Strip out the interior for free. Remove some of the heavier non-aero panels. Get a haldex controller to bias the awd to the rear. Add some downforce. Then finally stick on some real rubber like nankang ar-1s. Car (£1000) Remap (£500) Suspension (£2000) Haldex controller (£2000) Tyres (£800) Weight reductions (free or potentially even some profit if you sell the seats and panels) Hell there's even money left over for a bigger turbo. You could probably get the 1.8T pumping out near 400bhp within the budget. But hey, I guess it would be less entertaining to watch someone make reasonable decisions to actually try to win this challenge. Much funnier to see a couple guys buy a broken estate and stick ricer rims on it and wonder why their times aren't improving.
I think, based on the highly skilled hammering I saw today, that you can get the Subaru down to about 1:32.0 or so.... 🤣 Yes, I fear you may do more harm than good, but please, continue on, afterall, it's all about the entertainment value.
Coilover, bigger breaks with more pistons (if possible), lighter rims and better tyres for grip, upgrade power and if spare money left maybe some aero. In that order would be my investments to make the car faster
I remember car throttle doing this exact thing at this exact track. But the cars are cooler and skill is higher. Best of luck. I'd imagine that tires and coils would make the bulk of the difference
turbo subaru engines are pretty awesome to work with, unbolt the 4 or 6 bellhousing bolts, unplug the main wiring loom and then undo extra lines and the engine pops out, takes 30 minutes :P
That is exacly how my clutch job on my wrx hatch went😂 we ended up sliding a spatula from the top and slowly added bigger things to help seperate the transmission from the engine
i'm not a mechanic but 2 yr ago i replaced my clutch. all i needed was chain hoist to pull up engine, few sockets wrenches , hour and 40 mins of time . then i was done. removing engine is much easier and faster
Most of the motorsport Subarus reroute the intercooler and put it in the front of the car. It works better than stock position. So if you can try that too.
Turn up the boost, sticky wide tyres, suspension, brakes, remove all unnecessary car mass. 10 seconds is doable yes. This subaru currently is worse than stock, so it shouldnt be that difficult, but I would rather improve the said components before I even try
Bit of a terrain question, isn't it. Not talking about dirt roads and rally driving, but on narrow tarmac with enough bumps narrow corners without any real straights in between corners, every 30 years old hot hatch (and probably even the 75HP budget versions) is able to beat any modern super car. As long as the right person is driving, of course.
Good tyres, decent brakes, and decent suspension should help a lot. These are especially important on small tracks such as the one in the video, where power and aero matters less
It would be interesting to see a racing kart on that track.
A good wheel alignment and even going to an 86 gearbox and only being rwd but removing even more weight
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@@alunesh12345 I believe in racing karts instead
You need to shorter the transmission! To get more power you cannot go that fast on this track! And trow away all the interior ( if we can, its free, and we can get some money back!)
As a Subaru owner, it's easier to take the engine out to replace the clutch, rather than taking the gearbox out.
- If you want good power, find the VF48 turbo from STI and slap some STI intercooler with STI injectors, should give you around 350bhp.
-Coilovers and anti roll bars, with antilift kit for bigger caster in the front, to reduce the understeer.
-Subaru forester gearbox with the 4:44 final drive, it will help a lot on this short track.
-Good lightweight wheels with some nice rubber.
-Gut the interior and put some nice supportive seat, the one in the Subaru has no support
In my opinion, WRX can come pretty close to the Lambo
Lets not forget how important tires are, especially on short tracks like this.
The widest, stickiest tire allowed should be found and installed ASAP.
Get some nangkang AR-1 or NS2R for some solid budget tyres
speaking as a non-car-owner... GET A HUGE SPOILER :D
Yes! I am replacing my clutch on my bugeye soon, removing the engine for sure.
My thoughts exactly. I have a 2002 WRX with the 4.44 gears, definitely going to swap to the STI turbo and injector setup and going to go front mount. Also, did you need to hammer a screwdriver in to split the block and trans like they did here becuase I did when I did mine 😂 it was at 320,000 km tho and Ontario weather, even tho it hasn’t been wintered in forever and the body and frame are really good still, the block and bell housing were basically welded together lol
I wonder how much aero can affect the subaru.
since the track is short, drag isn't as important as donwforce. So stick some canards/diveplanes (they can be cheap if homemade) to the front and rear, that will help in fast corners
Not in any appreciable way. The track is short so you're not going fast enough to get any real airflow over the surfaces so you won't make any useful downforce without resorting to kitchen table sized wings. If you look at high end time attack cars they use massively oversized wings and spoilers to generate usable downforce at relatively low speed, this said they also have massively powerful engines to facilitate pushing these huge wings through the air. The point of downforce is to push the tyres into the road surface in order to increase the contact patch area and therefore increase traction, a far simpler method of achieving the same result is to just to let some air out of the tyres. In simple terms, contact patch = vertical load/tyre pressure, so to increase contact patch you can increase vertical load through weight or aerodynamic downforce or lower the tyre pressure.
@@DjDolHaus86 you're right, but in my experience, even a marginal amount of downforce can make a difference if the car is light enough
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@@DjDolHaus86 Point of downforce is not to "increase contact patch" (Where did you even heard that). Point of downforce is increasing weight of the (not the mass), more weight = more friction = more grip. Also orginal comment is right, because on such short track maximum achievable speed is not as important as the exit speed from the turn, which will obviously become more if the Bubaru has downforce. More speed out of the turn = more speed on short straights. But I dont think canards, or something as small would make a big difference, I think the need some basic, big aero. Like a wang, splitter, flatfloor with diffuser (its sad that they dont have space for front diffuser).
@@pablomahe1284 Even if they gut the car it's still going to be in the 1300kg range. A well designed wing might add 60kg of downforce at 100mph but they've got a wagon/estate and 100mph is around a corner is ambitious at best. Canards obviously have a far smaller surface area than a wing so will produce far less downforce, they are also close to the body rather than out in the clean air so they are less efficient. Generally canards are more of a tool for enhancing other downforce generating devices by altering the airflow, if you've got an effective front splitter generating low pressure you can use canards to keep separation from higher pressure air.
Overall I'd say that if they've got some large diameter plastic drain pipe laying around and they can fashion a couple of canards out of for free then no harm in trying but if they've got to spend £100 on materials or significantly more on premade items then that money could be better spent elsewhere.
Even though it was blurred at the start, you can kinda see it's a Murcielago especially the back. Such an iconic car.
yea
You can hear it as well. Nothing quite like a NA Lamborghini V12 😍
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One of my all time favorite cars, absolutely gorgeous.
Aggressive look, without being too over the top and V-12 and AWD.
I recognised it from the interior
I'm beginning to see this as British version of Donut Media's Money Pit, and I am totally on board
Would stripping out all the seats, and extraneous heavy bits be allowed? You could probably make up for the deficit in power if you could make the vehicle lighter. Also a suspension upgrade might help a little bit lmao. Overall this series is really fun to watch, its relaxed but also serious and very funny.
I think they can get away with replacing the front seats with racing bucket seats which are much lighter. The Subie needs to remain practical, as stated in the previous episode. Removing the rear seats would essentially remove the practicality. It would be interesting to see what kind of weight reduction ideas they can come up with in the next episodes.
@@skygrasper_47 I don't think they'll have the budget for bucket seats that's the problem. I think they'll stick to simple / minimal weight reduction measures
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It’s supposed to be more practical and faster than a super car. So if you only have 1 seat and a metal interior with no radio that’s not as practical as a super car.
@@kunstderfugue you can get bucket seats for $100-$300 easily
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You could easily make those episodes at least 30 mins long, it's so much fun to watch!
I absolutely love the murcielago. Only the miura is a better looking lambo.
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@@alunesh12345 maybe I’ll consider it
We know that the 400hp evo in top gear back in the day kept up with a murci, so if the boys spend their money wisely they can beat this in such a tight track
Where can I watch old Top Gear now
That Murci was running properly on top gear too, it was also a fast open track more suited to a Lambo.
This Lambo is sick and he shouldn't have been pushing it with that atrocious misfire. The ignition was breaking up the whole time under load, the WRX should better it quite easily with that budget if used right
@@darianistead2239 I heard that too. That Lambo needs repairs done and should be a little quicker when finished.
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As a WRX owner I know the struggles of the turbo heat shield 😂😂
The DonutMedia legend!!! You gave it your best shot mate
1min 15 on coils, good track tyres and higher boost sounds doable
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Think Scott might have done you a huge favour here. The Murciélago was never made to be a track day monster like some other supercars. It's very much style over substance. So if there's any supercar you could realistically beat, this would be it
GG wagon, even WRX, has thin 17mm stabilizer in the rear, that's the first thing to upgrade [in 100% fixed car :D]. Second thing are plastic links to metal ones and steering rack mount bush, makes a lot of difference in steering response.
Also poly steering rack bushings
You can tell you Guys have never worked on a Subaru before. Way easier to pull the engine than the exhaust, driveshafts and gearbox etc
Half hour .....45 minutes tops with a brew break 💪
@@scoobysean555 I mean... it's not that big.
i don’t know why did first episode get just 100 k views it should get more
Tyres, suspension, brakes and some weight saving will shave a good 4-5seconds off I'd think. Plus, although you wanted a fair comparison with the driver, as Scott drives the car more he will naturally find more time.
However you've kind of shot yourself in the foot by using Curborough. Being such a short and technical track power won't count for much. Another second maybe 2 on top of the 5 with the handling mods.
So I'll say now you'll get down to a 1:19 at best and then really struggle to find the last 3 seconds.
Good luck, I'll be keeping an eye on this.
I'm happy that they chose a short and technical track because it's the kind of track where less powerful cars have a chance against 600hp supercars. I hope they spent most of the budget on grip rather than power. But we will see.
Ready for part 3 when its ready, this is fun to watch 😁
excited for the next episodes! also god how murci looks SICK as hell. love that design and the colour is just chefs kiss
who cares about the color was your video muted or something? did u not hear it!?!
Thank you for keeping those V12 revs in without any talk over it
finally, video footage of what working on a car is actually like...
Wheel hop could be worth 3 seconds in itself, maybe 5 if it was the other side based on the clockwise bias of the track
Weight reduction, boys. Lots of it.
Part of the challenge is that the Subaru has to be more practical than a supercar. Though I am also sure they could argue a stripped down Subaru wagon is more practical than a supercar so I'm curious to see where this leads!
I think their best chance at getting it to out match the supercar is to match or exceed it’s power to weight ratio. There’s only so far you can push the power on the stock boxer without some very expensive engine work. Weight reduction will make the most of whatever power adder they choose. Plus, if you do enough weight reduction, you can add some back in opportune spots to help your handling.
Challenge accepted and completed this past week. Changed a clutch on a almost identical car. Go through fender well with a very long prybar on both sides and go back and forth between the bars. And really reef on it it. Like almost where you feel like you're breaking it. Then it will go pop.
Sounded like the lambo was missfiring quite badly in the higher revs
The modifications may make the Subaru faster but man the Lamborghini Murcielago is the best sounding car I've heard
Cant wait to see more of this series. omg the lp640 is just so glorious
Been waiting for ep2 for a while
Nice to see some ATP merch in a Driven media vid!
They are a good clutch, used to have the same on in my 99 WRX, and they will take more power then stated. Good tyres and breaks and a big rear sway bay will make a massive improvement.
I'm really happy to have found this channel. You guys are so much fun. Thank you
Imagine the car was already faster then the super car, the series would’ve gone to hell
Some ideas:
1. Remove as much weight as possible
2. Improve handling (tires, suspension)
3.improve braking
4. Incrise power and torque
3* because it's only 1 lap save money any just upgrade the pads ✌🏼
@@law5223 Didn't they say 3 laps?
@@alexwong7324 *edit.. rewatched it and your right it's 3 laps 👍🏼.. although its 3 laps at under 2 mins total so I imagine they'd be fine with just some decent pads
Definitely feels like the Top Gear Avantine eps. 😁😁😁😁 can't wait for more! keep em coming! much love from the Philippines
Kinda similiar with the style, but in Top Gear thay didn't really try to do it well, I always felt kinda sad they didn't make an attempt to actually create a faster car because it would be pretty cool to see a modded Avantime zooming around
This channel is truly the British version of donut media… and I bloody love it! Keep it up !
This is so much fun to watch, I’m waiting for the next episode already!
Based on all the advice from last video, it seems like:
Sway bars
200 tw tires on fat light rims
Lowering springs+short shocks (save $!)
Racing pads and fluid (save $!)
Interior gutting to allowance
Front Camber plates
Bushings (subframe, lca, etc)
Light exhaust with headers for a power tune
Anything else?
I am loving the direction this channel is going. These videos are great!
Goal #1 - make that Subaru **sound** like the Lambo, then WHO CARES how fast it is? :P
I think you're gonna have to fully strip the interior to bare metal, remove the rear seats, the stereo, cut a couple hundred pounds out to stand a chance. Coilovers, boost controller, injectors, fuel pump, a new bigger turbo, an ECU with a good tune, and brake pads will be necessary as well. If there's any money leftover, some better suspension components to allow for some suspension geometry tuning will help close the gap some more.
I love this series, keep up the good work!
Tip for anyone doing a wrx Trans removal.. on the top of the Trans there is a rectangular boss that is on the bell housing and a flat on the back of the block
The gap is just over 3/8" put a 3/8 extension tip in there and use a ratchet to turn the extension 45°
It let's you get a wedge in there and gets you a starting point to work around and get the box free
Welcome back to Hi/Low Money Pit!!
My service team replaced the gearbox during a rally in 40 minutes, with the turbo dead hot. But they were Subaru racing professionals . Nice job, guys, keep doing, you're awesome!
Got genuinely excited seeing the supercar unveiled :)
Haha I could tell from the blurred image and sound at the start that it was a Murcielago
This series makes me wish I could subscribe twice.
This is great content, really hope this picks up the amount of viewers it deserves
I love finding a new channel that literally is exactly what I want to see! Subbed and will be going through them all!
Absolutely loving this series and this channel!! By chance is that an accidental tech podcast shirt?
I drive something very similar to your "normal car", love the series so far please continue
So when my friend and I were removing his trans on a non-turbo Subie, we used a come along (ratchet strap) to pull the trans off the motor. Worked like a charm.
These cars hugely benefit from a bigger rear arb, eliminates that hideous understeer
Thanks for finally uploading I will now have to count the days for the next ep!
i think scott just wanted to drive him Lambo on a track! Cant blame ya!
Idea for weight saving: Bend the rules by removing everything behind the two front seats and fitting a plank out of plywood that would make the Subi arguably even more practical since it would have a massive trunk with a completely flat floor so it could easily fit some spare trackday tires.
it's a hell of a lot easier to pull the whole motor from thw top than pull the trans on an old subaru
I just have to say that pulling the engine is much simpler. Also, I'm jealous that you got to meet the guys at RCM, all of their stuff is amazing!
Keep this amazing content coming. Them boys got soul.
“Support one then jiggle the other one”
If u are doing this urself its a pulltype cluch and it has a pin at the top that releases the clutch fork also I found it easier and quicker taking the engine out FYI remove the rad and there is plenty of space in front of the engine. Just food for thought
uuugh I can't wait for the next episode lads :D much fun watching this hehe. proper good job
This is a great series, but I can't help but think there were better cars out there that cause less of a headache in terms of carrying out modifications. Off the top of my head, my go to would be a MK4 Golf GTI or Polo GTI (anything with a 1.8 20VT engine basically) Why? They're extremely cheap, they're lightweight, they're tried and tested because the VW community is massive. Parts are interchangeable with a lot of other platforms to create worthy upgrades. There's an abundance of Aftermarket support with many write ups on how to do it. Also the early model engines come with a forged crankshaft & forged pistons.
Car - £1000
TT Front Suspension upgrade - £200
VR6 Brake Upgrade - £300
Forged rods - £300
Coilovers - £800
Uprated clutch - £1000
550cc Injectors - £300
Intercooler - £300
GT25-550 Turbo setup - £2,100
ECU Upgrade - £1,000
Sway bar upgrade - £200
Wheels and Tyres - £1000
£7,600 (plus other silly little bits like couplings, clamps, bolts, lines and adaptors) You have a 400hp car that slays tracks and still have £5k left for other things like meth injection or a Quaife LSD to help put the power down.
Here in Australia Subarus are regarded by most as easier and cheaper than VWs to work on and modify, plus there are so many of them that parts and aftermarket are easy , this is probably the case in many places outside Europe.
@@farnarkleboy It probably makes sense considering that you're closer to Japan and you guys have a lot of Japanese cars in general over there, so it would be seen as the usual thing to work on. Whereas in Europe, 70% of the cars on the road is either VAG, BMW or Mercedes.
I've watched someone who's owned Japanese cars their whole life replace a radiator on a VW Golf and get so annoyed by having to remove other parts just to get at it.. Whereas I'd think nothing of removing the front end and core support off a car to get at the radiator, because I'm used to it and can do it pretty quickly.
All I meant when I said "easier to work on" was the fact that around the engine bay of a boxer engine is not convenient at all for basic things like spark plug changes or even gearbox removal in comparison to a 1.8T engine.
I love this channel man, it's just perfect
Lads I don't mean to be rude, but your thumbnails are a borderline ripoff of Donut's HiLow series, down to the shades of blue and yellow used for the cheap vs expensive color scheme. Love the series tho!
Agreed maybe switch it up a bit
That is why they need to change their channel name because there so similar
Thanks for the feedback! The blue is the blue we use in our logo and the yellow is opposite on the colour wheel, so we're certainly not trying to rip anyone off. However, thanks for the feedback and we'll try to find some different options. Hope you enjoyed the video anyway!
Thousands of channels have alike thumbnails, no one cares
Thumbnail police lmao 🚨 🚓 🚓 🚓 🚨
@@OVERDRIVE.studios yeah I absolutely loved the video and have no doubt y’all weren’t intending any similarities, totally get the color wheel logic that’s my bad for reaching, my apologies. Lovely work as always!
Awesome! Good to see episode 2 is as humorous as ep1, can't wait to see how it goes. I predict you'll get close to the time of the Murci.. But not the sound!!
Was the Lambo misfiring?...
Should be doable - try and find used performance parts, port stock turbo, gut it. Tires, reducing turbo lag and power to weight are the key on such a small track.
When you got a new flywheel from Roger Clark it immediately brought back memories of the Gobstopper! A Subaru lovers wet dream of a time attack car!
It's so much easier imo to take the entire engine out on EJ motors to do clutches. But then again I've never had a lift when doing them and I've done many of them. You can get these motors out in like literally 30 minutes with two people.
Only one thing for it.
F1 tyres.
Should’ve gotten an evo
Im actually excited for this series, I've always wondered this, even if you manage to shave it to 1:20 That's impressive, Subarus are awesome cars!
the first time i got my engine and gearbox apart, it literally took a club hammer and bolster chisels and screwdrivers. it was practically welded in place.
Note to self: never buy a 2nd hand Subaru unless it’s had a clutch change yesterday.
The three of you are modern topgear now congratulations.
Everything depends on the tires. If they use the same compound on both cars it will be very difficult but if they cheese it and put what are essentially track tires on the subaru, then it has a very real chance.
Nice shirt.
From a Subaru lover...I removed my tranny on my BRZ the same way
With all due respect this ain't how you do it if you want to have the cheapest fast track car possible.
Best option is the following:
Buy a cheap audi TT 225 with a bam engine. You can get these under a grand. Then remap the 1.8T to about 300bhp (or buy one already remapped). Spend a couple grand on suspension mods (bracing, coilovers, roll bars). Strip out the interior for free. Remove some of the heavier non-aero panels. Get a haldex controller to bias the awd to the rear. Add some downforce. Then finally stick on some real rubber like nankang ar-1s.
Car (£1000)
Remap (£500)
Suspension (£2000)
Haldex controller (£2000)
Tyres (£800)
Weight reductions (free or potentially even some profit if you sell the seats and panels)
Hell there's even money left over for a bigger turbo. You could probably get the 1.8T pumping out near 400bhp within the budget.
But hey, I guess it would be less entertaining to watch someone make reasonable decisions to actually try to win this challenge. Much funnier to see a couple guys buy a broken estate and stick ricer rims on it and wonder why their times aren't improving.
I think, based on the highly skilled hammering I saw today, that you can get the Subaru down to about 1:32.0 or so.... 🤣 Yes, I fear you may do more harm than good, but please, continue on, afterall, it's all about the entertainment value.
Coilover, bigger breaks with more pistons (if possible), lighter rims and better tyres for grip, upgrade power and if spare money left maybe some aero. In that order would be my investments to make the car faster
11m 31s the way that he is pulling the G's enough to pull the tyre away from the rim. Nice!
I thought the murci would get a better time than that, still impressed with the half working Subaru tho
10s! tires and suspension will do the trick. Turbo upgrade vf39, 550 cc injectors, fuel pump, STI intercooler and a tune and you guys will win
The sound of that Merci off the line was RAW 🤤
I remember car throttle doing this exact thing at this exact track. But the cars are cooler and skill is higher.
Best of luck. I'd imagine that tires and coils would make the bulk of the difference
turbo subaru engines are pretty awesome to work with, unbolt the 4 or 6 bellhousing bolts, unplug the main wiring loom and then undo extra lines and the engine pops out, takes 30 minutes :P
you freed the trans the correct way XD
If only the Lambo was as fast as it sounds.
I feel yall when you are taking off that transmission. Took me 2 days to get mine off and I did exactly the way yall did it
That is exacly how my clutch job on my wrx hatch went😂 we ended up sliding a spatula from the top and slowly added bigger things to help seperate the transmission from the engine
i'm not a mechanic but 2 yr ago i replaced my clutch. all i needed was chain hoist to pull up engine, few sockets wrenches , hour and 40 mins of time . then i was done. removing engine is much easier and faster
Most of the motorsport Subarus reroute the intercooler and put it in the front of the car. It works better than stock position. So if you can try that too.
There's an access port between the firewall and the driver's side of the trans that you can put a bottle jack into to get them to separate
Man the Murcielago looks sooooo good. It's timeless
The Murcielago has been my favorite car ever since it was on the original NFS Hot Pursuit 2. Dream car right there.
I don’t care if it beats the amazing looking/sounding lambo, can we hear it again in the next episode ? It’s fun to watch though 👍
Turn up the boost, sticky wide tyres, suspension, brakes, remove all unnecessary car mass. 10 seconds is doable yes. This subaru currently is worse than stock, so it shouldnt be that difficult, but I would rather improve the said components before I even try
Seems like an accurate representation of the experience of wrenching on a Subaru.
Great series. Can't wait for the next one
💪😄👍
Bit of a terrain question, isn't it. Not talking about dirt roads and rally driving, but on narrow tarmac with enough bumps narrow corners without any real straights in between corners, every 30 years old hot hatch (and probably even the 75HP budget versions) is able to beat any modern super car. As long as the right person is driving, of course.