Hey Thanos! I bought one of your boards and have everything working on MMos but would love to try out the VNM firmware, what would the process be for flashing that over?
Awesome video buddy, it has definitely come a long way since I first started using it Only thing I'd say is lacking is documentation on set up should be in the git repository as many times I've had to go back to discord for troubleshooting but that may come later down the line I'm likely going to buy a set of his pedals and shifter at some point too when I upgrade to a better less flimsy rig Keep the videos coming
Hi, i've ordered a Ali stm32 board in order to put it onto the TDD board with the HoanTV FFB software. We are kind of struggling though to get it flashed. I have the usb cheapcharlie v2 programmer, but it doesnt seem to work although it states programming completed. maube its a good idea to make a summary video in how to flash it, and what steps to be taken. As i understood, there needs to be made/deleted a bridge on the TDD board as well, but i dont know whichone. These are small issues, that can consume a lot of time, where a video would help, which boostst support as a result as well. Just a tip. And keep up the good work! I Lllllove it!!
I did go through the steps of flashing. But you have to remember I have the V1 prototype TDD which uses a waveshare core407V as stated in the video. I don't have to cut any traces.. just flash and go. You'd have to ask thanos what needs cutting.. I'm unfamiliar with what stm32 board yous use nowadays.. it should be as simple as looking up that board and finding out how to flash it.. If someone donates me a new board then sure I can make a video but yeah its a bit hard without one. How long does it say it took to flash? Mine is like 2.5secs
Hi guys. I do have one firmware i wanted to compare with this new one. Its the emc development firmware. I have the "full" version. From what i saw on the vnm you need to have one stm32 on each of your components (using too many usb ports) and for the emc version it needs only one stm32f10xxx (blue or blackpill) and you already have the xy axis shifter. I really dont know if its worth the upgrade...? give it a try 😉
I run thanos as well. You'll just need a $10 st-link programer and you can flash it with thos firmware. But get it all setup and try it out with mmos first. Then after a week or so try it out and see the difference ;)
@@peacemakermotion3949 aye! That's so good! So far only have the board incoming but cheap servos are coming up on ebay that im looking into grabbing. Its just a matter of compatibility.
Thats using the TDD DAC. To use software DAC you have to solder jumpers and cut traces etc. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the TDD.. would just turn it into an expensive breakout board haha. If you want to use software DAC just buy a cheap stm32 board and wore that up like my diy video. You can get boards for like a fraction of the cost of a discovery board that will work (like the black board used in the TDD).
@@peacemakermotion3949 thanks for the reply mate. Love your videos btw, your the only content creator in Sim racing space that makes video about affordable builds. Would love to see a video of you testing the VNMware software DAC. I wonder if that will improve the high pitch noise coming off the AASD drive. Cheers
Hi, switched from MMOS to this. Once ive centered it, it aligns itself. I then try to calibrate it, and it does it, but at the end it just spins freely clockwise for some reason. Please can someone help me with this? Cheers
Hello, I am also having trouble understanding everything , will this software work with the tdd. that I want to order? Is there any other hardware needed?
When I calibrate, my wheel spin infinitely not like what demonstrated in the video. How do I solve that. Thanks in advance. My driver is AASD 30A. i'm using the newest firmware and UI.
Emc looks to be arduino.. stm32 is superior hardware so I've heard so I'd imagine so. But I haven't tried it or looked into much but I know alot of arduino users are converting over. You're best to go ask in the discord for VNM. You'll get a much better answer from more knowledgeable people haha. As for the black pill I don't think so because the flash size isn't large enough for the firmware.
@@1djvaloh cool, yeah the video i watched was arduino but the clicking on the link then says arduino has been stopped and its now stm32. cool!! looks alright.
@@peacemakermotion3949 got everything set up. Using PA4,PA5. but i am not getting any motion in the motor at all when clicking calibrate. Tried PE9 and PE11 to no avail either. Though the motion is being picked up in the animation when manually turning it. Spec's are stm32 + 130ST-M10015 (25NM) + AASD-30A. Settings at PN001 = 22 (motor code, requires restart) PN002 = 0 PN003 = 0 PN018 = 0 PN051 = 1500 PN053 = 18 PN188 = 159 PN189 = 39 PN190 = 0 PN191 = 1 PN198 = 250 DB25 connector Pin 25 - PE9 Pin 20 - PA1 Pin 18 - PA0 Pin 15 - PA2 Pin 13 + 10 - GND Pin 9 - 5v Pin 7 - Pe11 Pin 6 - GND its as if its not getting power or a signal to turn?
@@jamieb78 try swapping your estop NC and NO. Basically when you release the estop you should hear the AASD start to whine and power up. If that's not happening then you may have estop setup wrong. Triple check all your pinouts also
@@peacemakermotion3949 I currently have that ground pin6 directly in. Leaving the estop out. Had a suggestion on discord to PA4 to pin 25, PE11 to pin 7. Set "internal dac" for controller on hardware tab and "signal + DIR" for mode. But looks like my STM board has blown since doing it. New one ordered now 🙄
This firmware is horrible ... i checked their github and wiki and there is no guides or tutorials how to connect wires, no pinout diagrams, discord is a mess.
The fimware setup from mmos too vnm went easy .soldering pin 11 too pin 8 .on mi discovery board .onley the setup in vnm is tricky.ill go back to mmos .and for a lot of games that not work with mmos .will work with a xml file .
Hi ! your video is perfect ! I'm french and i don't understand everythings. I have question, is it possible to use this software with the Thanos TDD board ? Thanks a lot
Hello, I am also having trouble understanding everything , will this software work with the tdd. that I want to order? Is there any other hardware needed?
@@arcoa8710 Hi there, yes it will work with TDD board. Thats what I am using :) I have the prototype TDD so I have a different stm32 board but will work the same. You may need to remove a jumper to flash the board then put it back on to run firmware thats all. Pretty simple.
@Peacemaker Motion I have a Thanos board and am trying to run VNM Wheelbase on it. Having some trouble with it. I've gotten to the point where the UI recognizes the wheel, but the wheel won't lock at normal 900 deg of rotation locks. it can rotate past that. Also the calibrate function doesn't work, I click it but it doesn't do anything. Then randomly it will start shaking. Any thoughts on how to fix that? Is there something I need to do to the Thanos board to make it work? I've seen something about the pin outs in VNM being different than MMOS, if that is true do you know what needs to be changed?
HI bro， I have saw U video，but I can'T get your Point， I Know There are two options ,VNM OR MMOS ,but ，which is better？and what‘s the difference. U have two of them, may be you could tell the difference, I want built one too, Sorry for the ENG,
So you say it’s night and day, is that after tweaking the filters? I would think it would be the same with all the filters turned off as you had in the video? Or is there a difference even then?
Those were the user effects i turned off. I only use them to test forces outside of a game and in the software. I guess if a game had weak ffb effects you could run a bit of extra dampening etc with these effects but they are just constant effects and not driven by the games data. Not sure if people use them in game or not.. there is another button I forgot to click on which has all 12 effects and their gains listed but I just leave them all maxed out. MMOS has the same user effects option but you can only play with one at a time via a drop down box hence why I'm assuming they are only intended for testing purposes..
@@peacemakermotion3949 right but so with the user effects turned off in both cases with mmos and vnm there is still a difference with the way they interpret in game ffb settings?
@@volod3mir yes there is. There's heaps of ways to interperate ffb data. Even just watching how the simucube software continually changed the experience for the user over a couple years says there's alot that can be done on the software side to change and improve ffb. I'm not a programmer so I can't elaborate much more than that though haha.
@@volod3mir he did mention today he's having issues with belt driven wheels and minimum force settings so if you've got a belt setup maybe head over to the discord and ask about it. Video was already live at this point though
Yeah I think he has some belt users.. but I know they had issues early on so maybe it didn't work too well. Go jump into his discord and ask about it. They'll be able to answer it better.
You can wire up pedals but not shifter in my understanding. The pin needed for the shifter to work is used for something else in vnm. But there is a pinout to get pedals working. Best bet is probably get a usb adapter that plugs both pedals and shifter into and converts to usb. They're like 30usd on ebay. Alternatively there's an arduino tutorial to use ardunio and make your own on TH-cam
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Cool! I'll try it. I was hesitant to do so far because of the bugs... your review gave me some more confidence again 👍
Yeah all the kinks have pretty much been ironed out for the AASD which is good. definitely worth a try now!
Hey Thanos! I bought one of your boards and have everything working on MMos but would love to try out the VNM firmware, what would the process be for flashing that over?
@thanos I ordered the your board this morning, can it be flashed before shipping 😁
@@darzl yes, I can ship it with VNM firmware, but you still need to get a programmer to update it later again. VNM is still under development...
@@tronicgr your a star, no issues reprogramming it and probably will do because I won't see it until I get home in 7 weeks
Thanks to you I jumped the gun and ordered the whole lot from Thanos and Ali. Looking forward to the build and driving experience!
Awesome video buddy, it has definitely come a long way since I first started using it
Only thing I'd say is lacking is documentation on set up should be in the git repository as many times I've had to go back to discord for troubleshooting but that may come later down the line
I'm likely going to buy a set of his pedals and shifter at some point too when I upgrade to a better less flimsy rig
Keep the videos coming
Works with stepmotor ? Nema 17, 23?
Good vid. Nice one Chris.
Love your humor Chris !! Keep up the amazing sim work and updates. #MotionSimBuilders #DOFRealityBuilders
Hi, i've ordered a Ali stm32 board in order to put it onto the TDD board with the HoanTV FFB software. We are kind of struggling though to get it flashed. I have the usb cheapcharlie v2 programmer, but it doesnt seem to work although it states programming completed. maube its a good idea to make a summary video in how to flash it, and what steps to be taken. As i understood, there needs to be made/deleted a bridge on the TDD board as well, but i dont know whichone. These are small issues, that can consume a lot of time, where a video would help, which boostst support as a result as well. Just a tip. And keep up the good work! I Lllllove it!!
I did go through the steps of flashing. But you have to remember I have the V1 prototype TDD which uses a waveshare core407V as stated in the video. I don't have to cut any traces.. just flash and go. You'd have to ask thanos what needs cutting.. I'm unfamiliar with what stm32 board yous use nowadays.. it should be as simple as looking up that board and finding out how to flash it..
If someone donates me a new board then sure I can make a video but yeah its a bit hard without one. How long does it say it took to flash? Mine is like 2.5secs
Hi guys. I do have one firmware i wanted to compare with this new one. Its the emc development firmware. I have the "full" version. From what i saw on the vnm you need to have one stm32 on each of your components (using too many usb ports) and for the emc version it needs only one stm32f10xxx (blue or blackpill) and you already have the xy axis shifter. I really dont know if its worth the upgrade...? give it a try 😉
Awesome video Chris well done.
Cheers bro. Now go get your wheel going! :p
This is a good video introduction
very perfect
Great video Chris, watched your other vids and it inspired me to build a DD for my son whole will probably be a eSports driver one day
awesome man, your boy will love it :) What games does he play mainly?
@@peacemakermotion3949 He plays F1 mainly but he has all the games, he races for a Spanish team atm in one of the leagues.
Each video that you make are very interesting and i can say also original lol !!!!! Nice friend ;-)
Haha thanks mate :)
Just brought a Thanos controller a few days ago due to your videos. Really hope I dont have to change hardware again.
I run thanos as well. You'll just need a $10 st-link programer and you can flash it with thos firmware. But get it all setup and try it out with mmos first. Then after a week or so try it out and see the difference ;)
@@peacemakermotion3949 aye! That's so good! So far only have the board incoming but cheap servos are coming up on ebay that im looking into grabbing. Its just a matter of compatibility.
@@EnvyOCE the TDD has breakout of the 4 pins needed to attach external stlink programmer to change to this firmware. 😉
@@tronicgr thankyou for letting me know! I'll be in touch when I have it in hand, as I may need some guidance (first time doing this sort of work)
looks awesome!!
Does this support DC Brushless hoverboard motor?
Look at VNM's Discord. The application is designed to handle any and all AC or DC motors with exceptions
Hi Chris, did you use a TTD board with external DAC in this video? Or were you just using software DAC of VNMware?
Thats using the TDD DAC. To use software DAC you have to solder jumpers and cut traces etc. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the TDD.. would just turn it into an expensive breakout board haha. If you want to use software DAC just buy a cheap stm32 board and wore that up like my diy video. You can get boards for like a fraction of the cost of a discovery board that will work (like the black board used in the TDD).
@@peacemakermotion3949 thanks for the reply mate. Love your videos btw, your the only content creator in Sim racing space that makes video about affordable builds. Would love to see a video of you testing the VNMware software DAC. I wonder if that will improve the high pitch noise coming off the AASD drive. Cheers
Hi, could you please share encoder wiring diagram.Thanks
do you think that you could have shifter wheelbase and pedals on one stm board is there any way to flash more hex codes onstm board
how can i back to mmos if i had installed vnm? how can i entering dfu mode with vnm? thanks
Hello, I'm pretty new to this and I wanted to know of its possible to make a DIY wheel with a motor, power supply and an arduino based board?
Did you already tried EMC utility pro? Do you have a opinion on it please?
Hi will this work with a lenze with argon drive ? It runs MMOS .
thanks .
Hi, switched from MMOS to this. Once ive centered it, it aligns itself. I then try to calibrate it, and it does it, but at the end it just spins freely clockwise for some reason. Please can someone help me with this? Cheers
Did you try changing direction on your aasd?
@@peacemakermotion3949 that's mode pn191 right? I will try that.
@@lou2737 yep that's it
@@peacemakermotion3949 that actually made it worse for some reason...really don't know what's going on here
@@lou2737 does it spin to one side and bounce off its end stops? If so try doing fn007 and calibrating your torque offset
Hello, I am also having trouble understanding everything , will this software work with the tdd. that I want to order? Is there any other hardware needed?
hi! can be used with bts7960?? thanks
When I calibrate, my wheel spin infinitely not like what demonstrated in the video. How do I solve that. Thanks in advance. My driver is AASD 30A. i'm using the newest firmware and UI.
Try playing with pn191= 0/1 or try reverse encoder setting also
Is that only for Direct drive wheel?
does it work on the black pill stm32? is this system better than EMC PRO?
Emc looks to be arduino.. stm32 is superior hardware so I've heard so I'd imagine so. But I haven't tried it or looked into much but I know alot of arduino users are converting over. You're best to go ask in the discord for VNM. You'll get a much better answer from more knowledgeable people haha.
As for the black pill I don't think so because the flash size isn't large enough for the firmware.
@@peacemakermotion3949 EMC PRO is software and fimware used on steering wheels with force feedback as well, and uses stm32 boards.
@@1djvaloh cool, yeah the video i watched was arduino but the clicking on the link then says arduino has been stopped and its now stm32. cool!! looks alright.
Why VNMWheelConfig is increasing CPU ussage so much when the wheel is connected?
can't say i've noticed it? maybe head over to the VNM discord and ask Hoan. perhaps theres a bug somewhere?
How is it now?
Are you able to test with the onboard DAC? Does it work well with the onboard?
Great content!
I haven't personally. Might do a video on it soon and see how it compares. But I hear it does alright
@@peacemakermotion3949 got everything set up. Using PA4,PA5. but i am not getting any motion in the motor at all when clicking calibrate. Tried PE9 and PE11 to no avail either. Though the motion is being picked up in the animation when manually turning it. Spec's are stm32 + 130ST-M10015 (25NM) + AASD-30A. Settings at PN001 = 22 (motor code, requires restart)
PN002 = 0
PN003 = 0
PN018 = 0
PN051 = 1500
PN053 = 18
PN188 = 159
PN189 = 39
PN190 = 0
PN191 = 1
PN198 = 250
DB25 connector
Pin 25 - PE9
Pin 20 - PA1
Pin 18 - PA0
Pin 15 - PA2
Pin 13 + 10 - GND
Pin 9 - 5v
Pin 7 - Pe11
Pin 6 - GND
its as if its not getting power or a signal to turn?
@@jamieb78 try swapping your estop NC and NO. Basically when you release the estop you should hear the AASD start to whine and power up. If that's not happening then you may have estop setup wrong. Triple check all your pinouts also
@@peacemakermotion3949 I currently have that ground pin6 directly in. Leaving the estop out. Had a suggestion on discord to PA4 to pin 25, PE11 to pin 7. Set "internal dac" for controller on hardware tab and "signal + DIR" for mode.
But looks like my STM board has blown since doing it. New one ordered now 🙄
@@jamieb78 Have you dealt with the correct connection of the wires? If so, can you write how? i have the same kit as you.
This firmware is horrible ... i checked their github and wiki and there is no guides or tutorials how to connect wires, no pinout diagrams, discord is a mess.
The fimware setup from mmos too vnm went easy .soldering pin 11 too pin 8 .on mi discovery board .onley the setup in vnm is tricky.ill go back to mmos .and for a lot of games that not work with mmos .will work with a xml file .
How do you get logitech g29 (g25/27) Shifter and pedals to work with this software?
If you listen to the video, its still under development. THey're currently only working with their own branded shifters etc.
Hi ! your video is perfect ! I'm french and i don't understand everythings. I have question, is it possible to use this software with the Thanos TDD board ? Thanks a lot
Hello, I am also having trouble understanding everything , will this software work with the tdd. that I want to order? Is there any other hardware needed?
@@arcoa8710 Hi there, yes it will work with TDD board. Thats what I am using :) I have the prototype TDD so I have a different stm32 board but will work the same. You may need to remove a jumper to flash the board then put it back on to run firmware thats all. Pretty simple.
@@peacemakermotion3949 ok, i will order the thanos TDD board and I will plug and play with this software ! Thanks
@Peacemaker Motion I have a Thanos board and am trying to run VNM Wheelbase on it. Having some trouble with it. I've gotten to the point where the UI recognizes the wheel, but the wheel won't lock at normal 900 deg of rotation locks. it can rotate past that. Also the calibrate function doesn't work, I click it but it doesn't do anything. Then randomly it will start shaking. Any thoughts on how to fix that? Is there something I need to do to the Thanos board to make it work? I've seen something about the pin outs in VNM being different than MMOS, if that is true do you know what needs to be changed?
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HI bro， I have saw U video，but I can'T get your Point， I Know There are two options ,VNM OR MMOS ,but ，which is better？and what‘s the difference. U have two of them, may be you could tell the difference, I want built one too, Sorry for the ENG,
he said in the video like 100 times....
Thx maaan. From Russia with love.
hi bro, internal DAC not working! Can someone explain to me how it works?
What are you talking about ? You have DD Wheel and your DAC dont work ?
Fixed already, it was not giving any voltage on multimeter, just reinstall firmware!
So you say it’s night and day, is that after tweaking the filters? I would think it would be the same with all the filters turned off as you had in the video? Or is there a difference even then?
Those were the user effects i turned off. I only use them to test forces outside of a game and in the software. I guess if a game had weak ffb effects you could run a bit of extra dampening etc with these effects but they are just constant effects and not driven by the games data. Not sure if people use them in game or not.. there is another button I forgot to click on which has all 12 effects and their gains listed but I just leave them all maxed out.
MMOS has the same user effects option but you can only play with one at a time via a drop down box hence why I'm assuming they are only intended for testing purposes..
@@peacemakermotion3949 right but so with the user effects turned off in both cases with mmos and vnm there is still a difference with the way they interpret in game ffb settings?
@@volod3mir yes there is. There's heaps of ways to interperate ffb data. Even just watching how the simucube software continually changed the experience for the user over a couple years says there's alot that can be done on the software side to change and improve ffb. I'm not a programmer so I can't elaborate much more than that though haha.
@@peacemakermotion3949 good to know, I wasn’t sure, will have to try it out then!
@@volod3mir he did mention today he's having issues with belt driven wheels and minimum force settings so if you've got a belt setup maybe head over to the discord and ask about it. Video was already live at this point though
do you think this would work on a belt drive system?
Yeah I think he has some belt users.. but I know they had issues early on so maybe it didn't work too well. Go jump into his discord and ask about it. They'll be able to answer it better.
Beat em
hello, is the connection scheme the same as the mmos?
yes, but if you want to use the built in DAC on the stm32 board you have to swap pe9 for pa4 :)
@@peacemakermotion3949 and e-stop wiring?
Can this work on Arduino Uno r3
I dont think so - I think this uses the STM32F407 disco board
with vnm is it possible to use the g25's pedals and shifter?
You can wire up pedals but not shifter in my understanding. The pin needed for the shifter to work is used for something else in vnm. But there is a pinout to get pedals working. Best bet is probably get a usb adapter that plugs both pedals and shifter into and converts to usb. They're like 30usd on ebay. Alternatively there's an arduino tutorial to use ardunio and make your own on TH-cam
What motor are you using
M10015
high i built myself a steering wheel but when i enable the spring efect it starts oscylating like crazy any idea how to solve it Thanks
Ensure the pn001 is set correctly to what motor you have
@@peacemakermotion3949 jeah its set corectly what else could it be?
@@Kurth_Engineering PN191 at 0, or if you have on 0, put in 1