Flat Earths own claims debunks Flat Earth ... Again
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This video debunks Flat Earthers' claims that 'atmospheric magnification' is the reason why the sun & moon don't shrink in size as they move towards the horizon
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Every flerfer on their magical dirt pizza: "I don't understand your explanation, therefore I reject it."
"I understand your explanation, but I'm an anti-intellectual contrarian, therefore I reject it, and I offer no counter-explanation."
Flerfs: don’t know anything about shape size and motion of the earth, but I’m certain you’re wrong. It just can’t be what we’ve been told.
Oh look more satellite photos of hurricanes
They DO understand it.
But simply choosing to DENY it...
@@jocec3283
Pure cosplay. Or…
FE is retelling a joke that has been played out a long time ago, or they are it’s victims.
FE is a joke.
I think it would be more accurate to say, "I don't understand your explanation, therefore it is wrong."
These idiots don't simply reject the conclusion; rejection of a conclusion would indicate that the explanation could be accepted with better / different data. Flerfing morons believe that no amount of data can demonstrate the Earth isn't a magical dirt pizza.
Flat Earth model should be the easiest thing in history to model - the fact that they among them selves can't agree on any of it says all that needs to be said.
It is amazing seeing some of them making claims which directly screw up other flat Earthers claims
@@DaveMcKeegan Some say amazing, others say hilarious.
They just need a flat earther with a degree in maths or physics to document their model. Oh, but wait ...
@@DaveMcKeegan You know the absurdity of the flat Earth revival movement when few of them can even agree amongst themselves how their model even works-@PhuketWord's morphing continent model (as one's perspective changes) is the latest absurdity being offered as a “true” model (see the _Azimuthal Map, Anywhere_ map site, which is simply a dynamic map projection illustration, which @PhuketWord has taken as a literal physical model).
Social media Flat Earth-ism is nothing more than a _grift_ for incompetent trolls, IMHO.
@@DaveMcKeegan The same thing is happening among globetards even with all their technology, money and budged they still are contradicting each other everytime, so ur argument is as weak as ur all debunking videos that can fool only brainless sheeps. Double-standars bots
I remember failing (or nearly so) algebra in high school. I just had such a difficult time understanding, even after careful explanation, so imagine if I had simply told my teacher, "I don't comprehend your equations, so they must be wrong." That's a flat earther's approach to everything.
Absolute nonsense they have made up these astronomical equations so you can’t figure it out because it is total rubbish.pier Luigi ighina is all I’ve got to say
Indeed, When my brain was melting trying to understand differential calculus I should have just said "it am fake".
@@daviddorset307 I'm always flabbergasted by the hubris of people like you. You're so full of yourself that you think everything is fake that goes over your head. That "rubbish" astronomical equations make incredible precise predictions. Like the solar eclipse on April the 20th.
So, how do you explain the precision of these predictions.
Flattards never were able to make any predictions.
@@daviddorset307 You may not be able to figure it out, that doesn't mean others can't. Stop trying to drag everyone down to your own level.
@@daviddorset307 Exactly 💯. The common theme of these numbers and equations can all fall back on a repeat sequence of numbers and formulae. Most Globies DON'T EVEN realise 360 astral revs equals 359 solar days & 4 minutes (240seconds) quicker than a day ( all a degree off). Then with the vast distances they model, the Moon is supposed to be only traversing a thirtythird faster, even though it's meant to orbit us at a speed 30 miles less than an hour to relative spin of Earth, though somehow it magically appears longer 50 minutes than it should or could daily.
I like how SciManDan recently said if the Earth were actually flat, these people would be claiming it's spherical, and I totally believe that would be the case!
No, if the Earth were actually flat it would disintegrate and the pieces would clump together to form a sphere, with no life on it.
@@ShizukuSeijiyup hydrostatic equilibrium. It would crush into a ball lol
SciManDan is a dummy. He presents only add homonyms and no science....only pseudo science.
@@ShizukuSeijiwhy do you think they said if it was flat
@averagetectonicplateenjoyer yes if it was flat it would crush into a sphere
Scientists for thousands of years:
"Why do I see this? Let me figure this out and define what I see."
Flat Earth Scientists:
"I see this. Let make an explanation for what I see despite all of the other research to do the same thing."
Scientists go, "These are the facts I have observed, this leads to this conclusion."
Flerfs, like all CTs, "This is what I want, which facts can I make fit into my pre-determined outcome?`"
I had a FERF say globers use revere engineering to come up with the globe..
I politely said.. Correct... we make observations and come up with a model that best predicts the observations, then make more and see if they match.. The globe does predict the observations we can make..
I then pointed out.. FLERF's use excuse engineering.. that is Make up excuses why observations don't match expectations on a flat earth..
This video's subject matter is a perfect example.
@@entangledmindcells9359reverse engineering should be figuring out the system someone already did
scientist wouldn't be doing reverse engineering because it is figuring out nature, but for casual, it is fair to say we are doing reverse engineering because many people don't have direct contact to those fields
(i get what the flat earther was trying to make reverse engineering sounds like a bad thing, which make no sense)
@@fakestory1753 I agree, this is just my way of turning their argument back on them.
So... They basically took the Creationists position only they left out God because it conflicts with their active drug addictions.
I like this little contradictory progression that Flerfs do:
- Trust their senses and reject the globe earth, because things look pretty flat at first glance from where they're standing.
- Encounter some phenomenon that doesn't make sense on the flat earth.
- Explain away this phenomenon with optical effects, like refraction and atmospheric lensing.
So can a flerf trust their senses or not?! I guess it depends on how much they want their preferred conclusion to be true lol. If only the real world was so convenient...
Even worse. These same people tell you there can't be a vacuum out there because the atmosphere would rush out into the vacuum. Then they tell you the light changes its angle as it passes from vacuum to atmosphere.
YES. Absolutely. Flerfs get to pick and choose as it suits them.
...and then they'll turn around and say "Because holograms!" despite having zero evidence.
I wouldn't list refraction for Flerfdom excuses. Flerfdom gets refractive effects backwards. They tend to use Flerfspective and optical droppity nonsense. Personal dome nonsense. Personal dome nonsense is destroyed by two or more observers and logic. And observations of Polaris and how it relates to 1° = 60 NM traveled on Earth's surface.
Refraction would take place, whether a globe earth, flat earth, concave earth, pretzel earth.
Refractive conditions can be measured and calculated.
...a high altitude amateur rocket flight, like what Kip Daugirdas did, demonstrates earth curvature.
...rectilinear lens used to prevent fish-eyed lens distortion. Center-of-frame images show earth curvature.
Did you say flat ?
The Canterbury Plains, about 180 kilometres long and of varying width, are New Zealand’s largest area of flat land.
I remember flat earthers once tried to prove that earth is flat with science and they proved that it's actually round and they declared the whole experiment to be wrong
This is the problem with trying to prove the earth is flat, the real question should be what shape is the earth? We just dropped a rap debunking the flat earth nonsense 🌎🔥🔥🔥🌎
Once? Several times ... most of them learned from that: learned to not do actual experiments
Well according to Oxford Dictionary the word round means shaped like a circle or cylinder shaped. Sooo
@@lbj2642 niGh what??
@@lbj2642 “this word means circle so the earth is flat “
They have no model because there is no model that explains everything we see. They can sorta explain one thing, but the whole thing falls apart when you have to explain something else on the same model.
It's silly.
Idk why the haven't adopted the Creationists' motto for this and just say, "God Done It!" Or, "Miracle!" every time something thoroughly debunks their dumbass ideas.
The first problem with this "atmospheric magnification" would be, imo, that it would have to be constant and always the same. There would need to be exactly the same amount of it, day and night, regardless where you are on a flat earth, independent of weather and other atmospheric conditions. So.. basically, a personal lens-system that moves with each person and adjusts automatically. Sounds legit 😂
some flattards have suggested a personal dome as a reason the stars and sun and moon move the way they do sadly.
Exactly. There are so many different factors, like air pressure and humidity and wind, that are constantly changing. If it was affected the Sun as much as they claim, then the "image" of the sun should change wildly throughout the day as conditions change. Like most flat earth "observations" they only work for a single observer.
@@grimreefer5159 Yeah, I've heard that one. A personal lens system would be impressive, though 😂 I mean, if any group of people is made for special pleading it's flerfs, seeing how they are certainly special.
It's an interesting question in the context of mirages. One of the often cited "proofs" for a Flat Earth is the visibility of Chicago skyline from the other side of Lake Michigan.
Which shouldn't be possible, and is explained "atmospheric refraction", due to specific weather conditions.
What the Flat Earthes conveniently ignore... if that wasn't the correct explanation, and you can see Chicago because there is no curvature... why don't we see this skyline all the time?
Well... consistency is not the Flat Earther's forte. You can even say: every Flerf explantion they bring to explain one observation is directly contradicted by another explanation used to explain a different observation.
Flerf science is conditional. It always works in the way the Flat Earther needs in a specific situation.
Yup, I live around the equator. By their claim I should either never see the sun or constantly see it.
You are my favorite flat earth debunker. Clear facts, explained simply, with a minimum of sarcasm and no insults. (Always excepting the Nathan Oakley video but I think anyone can be forgiven for giving Oakley as good as he gets. ; ) )
Thank you 😊
@@DaveMcKeegan
Good video as usual.
One suggestion if I may. Many Evil Globers such as yourself point out the flaws in "atmospheric magnification", but IMO a more devastating question to ask of the Flatlanders is how the sun and moon can maintain the same angular SPEED overhead vs at the horizon, for all observers at the same time.
Objects like airplanes headed to the horizon constantly decrease in apparent speed, but the sun and moon do not. The only conceivable way to explain this on Flatland is that they are somehow being accelerated (while being magnified) in order to maintain that constant angular speed throughout. But if this were somehow occurring, what about for the person UNDER or the the side of the sun and moon, while you watch them near the horizon?
That should get them to run home to Momma.
I second this. You (Dave) are clear, concise, thorough, and non-offensive.
Ditto. Well done, Dave.
@@PaulSchober
another good point.
It's funny that sailors from the 1100s understood there was a curve
people from thousands of years before that also knew the earth was a globe the information just got lost and they rediscoverd it
Anyone in time immemorial who looked up and saw the moon probably thought the Earth was of a similar shape.
@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT - It wasn't even lost. FE is an entirely modern belief with no ongoing historical precedent.
Especially later on...the pirates. who were masters of navigation
@@jamesdominguez7685 idk man all the babies born might have perpetuated the flat earth theory
I'm sure a lot of flat earthers really don't like that Dubay keeps making positive claims about the distance to the sun, but that's what the flerf reset button is for.
What the hell do you know anyway
Like the next disciple's book....
Keep trying till it sticks.
Dubay isn't really a flat earther...he knows damn well what shape the planet is. He's a con artist. He lies for cash, and he is very aware that he lies for cash, because he knows saying the things he does can make him money from a small number of idiots. He's a textbook con artist.
Dubay doesn't think the earth is flat, but he sells flat earth merchandise, so he can say whatever bullshit he wants as long as people are dumb enough to buy.
Flerfers are just trolling by this point! We just dropped a rap debunking the flat earth model 🔥🔥🔥🌎🔥🔥🔥
This really highlights the problem with the modern flat earth model versus the ancient one.
While ancient people even in prehistoric times probably figured out the earth was curved when traveling great distances, the flat earth model works as long as you stay in the same place, with the sun and moon circling under and then over the earth plane (hence lot of mythology of the sun passing through the underworld and such). Even after people had discovered this was wrong, talking about the world like this was still common in mythology and folklore.
But if you try to take that model into modern day, you'll have to account for the fact that the sun and moon and the stars move differently depending on your location, and night in one place is noon in another.
This just doesn't work with the old flat earth idea that only accounts for how everything moves when you stay in the same place, so people have to invent nonsense reasons for how the sun can be always visible above in the sky somewhere, but not everywhere, throughout a flat plane.
Basically, flatearthers aren't even using an ancient model (as much as they claim that ancient societies knew better then we do today, and then ignore all the ancient societies that figured out the curvature of the earth), instead they are using a nonsense model that even they don't understand, hence why there is no actual proper working model out there on the internet, just some vague ideas
If there are multiple suns and celestial objects moving on their own paths how would you account for that
According to the Nordic flat Earth model, the Earth wasn't flat. The Earth had one hemisphere that was land and one that was ocean. AKA the Pangaea model.
Then came the Gaia and Theia myth wherein an iron Mars-sized planet named Theia was embedded into Gaia to create the Earth. Presumably then continental drift occurred after the impact.
Mars, Moon, Mercury, and some of the other moons also have a monocline, or evidence of a dichotomy of hemispheric thickness, like Giai once supposedly had.
Honestly Im starting to believe people want to feel like the next smart person nowadays but end up being way more stupid than so. Which explains flat earthers and many conspiracy theorist.
@@bluenightfury4365 in my opinion, you nailed it precisely. Flat earthers have zero interest in the actual truth, they just want to believe the earth is flat because it makes them feel smart and special. Same is true of most conspiracy theorists. That’s why no amount of evidence will ever convince them they are wrong, because the _actual_ shape of the earth has nothing to do with their belief. The most we can accomplish by demonstrating that they are wrong is force them to come up with more buzz words like “relative density disequilibrium” or “atmospheric magnification” in order to excuse their blatant unjustified dismissal of our arguments. I’ve “debated” many flat earthers in comment sections like this one and seen the same pattern every time. Whenever a halfway decent argument is made against them, they dismiss it entirely (usually without giving any reason or evidence), deflect by changing the subject, or just run away from the conversation altogether. They never engage in good faith.
They've done this on purpose, lumped you either into a globe earth or flat earth category when the truth is between. They did the same thing with the moon missions, where we are on the disinformation end. If you look at the moon, what really is there, is many flat earths. Cities under collapsed glass, the mera, or black portions of the moon. This was how the ancient built their cities, its where they put people to do the farming and production. So the theory is we are on a curved plane, sort of flat disc with Antarctica being the vertical city structure, on a larger planet than what we were led to believe.
The tangled web of convoluted self deception displayed is grief worthy. Dave, you are demonstrating so much patience here… hope to not see you hit your breaking point. Happy April.
This is I think a more useful version of debunking than what we see from a lot of other FE debunking videos that lean into a "look at these idiots" style. I'm not sure FE people are fully available to be convinced rhetorically but doing it in a less confrontational style like this Dave does is probably more effective. Videos like Professor Dave's usually just get dismissed with "ThEY didn'T even AddresS My pOinTs tHEy jusT aTtACkEd Me! Ad HoMiNEm! AD HoMINEM!"
@@MrRtkwe
my mother-in-law's best friend has a son that is an alcoholic and addict. he's a drop out of life and apparently gorges himself on internet conspiracy horseshit to make himself feel special. when he he starts spouting his moronic nonsense at family gatherings, i remind him that he is an uneducated addict that lives in his mom's car in the parking lot of the bar where he washes dishes under the table (he was kicked out of her apartment for disturbing the peace when he goes on a bender). he gets angry and storms out, which is best for all of us.
@@MrRtkwe If Dave sticks at this for long enough, he will probably end up being a bit "short" with the flerfs too. A lot of the Debunkers and flat Earthers have had many encounters with each other over the years.
Happy May.
@@daveg2104 I would imagine he will have explained all the science and then just stop responding. You can't prove science to someone who wants to believe their own thing. You can't talk to someone who is not part of the same conversation. If you are talking to someone about what time you should meet up tomorrow and they respond by shouting colours at you, the conversation ends and you probably won't bother trying to speak to them anymore. People make the mistake of thinking this is a conversation about what we can see, hear, prove, demonstrate etc. It's not. It's about FE cultists keeping the cult going no matter what. They must be special. Anything else is irrelevant and they are not listening. Anything you say will be warped into their narrative. They're just shouting colours at you... you can't 'win'.
There's a certain poetic justice in flerers needing something flat to be curved in order to prove the curved Earth is flat.
I've been on a flat earth debunk video binge.
I love being able to laugh at delirious people while being able to learn more about science.
That may the most useful part of reading FE advocates: one learns how some things actually work just because their attempts at explaining don't work.
Now only if I could do the same with debunking communism advocates
@@RandomRothbardian amen brother
They always put the camera OUTSIDE the magnifying glass. The camera needs to be INSIDE the magnifying glass.
I saw a flerf call the globe Earth a "religion based on false beliefs". The irony was so great I almost lost my grip and dropped it on my foot... you know, from the relative density of it. 😆
Conspiratards in general are obligate experts at projection.
Dropped what?
@@blakksheep736the irony
I love how you took all of their own CGI models that they use to say ‘this is what it is’, to say ‘this is exactly what it can’t be’ lol 😂
More problems for flat earth that they will not even bother looking into and then continue to deny deny deny. Oh well.
Very well-argued and researched.
It's a shame it won't make any difference to people with an emotional need to deny the existence of the rest of the universe because space being huge makes them too upset & scared.
Take a ball and pour water on it and it falls off. Then take a plate and pour water in it and it stays! Checkmate globies! Hundreds of years of brilliant science debunked!
-flat earther logic lol 😆
@@LisaAnn777 lol I assume you're doing a bit here-Yeah it's a good illustration of how flat earthers completely misunderstand the principles behind gravity, and I always wonder how much of that is some kind of genuine mental block and how much is just mendacity.
I still want a reason that Polaris cant be viewed form the southern hemisphere. Or why I can't see the southern cross from the northern hemisphere. *On a "flat earth."
The dome is a hologram. All earth based observations can be explained.
Allow me to give you the best flerfing answer I can think of...
FLERFRACTION, FLERFSPECTIVE, WATER IS FLAT, SHOW ME THE CURVE, NASA LIES. Checkmate, globetard.
But in reality...I'd love them to give even a marginally plausible answer to this question. But I know they never will.
Or, why the stars rotate counter-clockwise in the Northern hemisphere, but clockwise in the Southern hemisphere. Good luck explaining that with a flat earth and a dome.
Or why the angle of Polaris above your north horizon corresponds to your latitude.
Then take your distance to the north pole and calculate the altitude of Polaris.
Each latitude on a "flat " earth has a different altitude of Polaris. Hmmm...
@@dougaltolan3017
"All earth based observations can be explained."
Yes. And the explanation is "the earth is a globe".
On a flat earth none of them can be explained.
“This sun is small: that sun is far away…”
Thanks Ted!
Feck off! We just dropped a rap explaining why the earth is NOT flat 🌎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Dougal would be the one disproving the flat earthers with his wistful innocence. Like when he converted that bishop after one conversation.
But I still hear them saying "erm, ah, but, doesn't make sense, your lying, doesn't prove anything, our maps prove otherwise but we can't show you...etc etc " 😂
Another issue with the magnification idea is that it cannot be uniform over the whole horizon. For example, if 1/10 of the whole horizon so 36° is magnified to 72° so x2 magnification then the remaining 9/10 should be reduced from 324° (=360-36) to 288° ( = 360-72) so x0.88 on average. This is because the angular size of the observed horizon has to be equal to 360°. A FE model for atmospheric magnification would have to explain why the Sun and the Moons (and all stars?) raise and set in parts of the horizon where the horizontal magnification is x2.
The second that your brought numbers & math into it, you lost every flerf out there. Numbers are scary & confusing, therefore they just handwave it all away.
"Math.? Science.? Just pour water on a ball, no science needed! FE forever!" - a flerf, probably.
"...OK, one last time. These are small... (Shows a toy cow) but the ones out there (points at cows outside) are far away. Small... far away... ah forget!"
- Father Ted, 'Father Ted' (1995)
All I can do is hope that one day you might actually come to more fully inner-stand perspective and convergence, and it's implications, and how it effects everything we observe, including everything we observe in the sky, and is why it all appears like it does..
which if you can actually inner-stand this, you would be part of the way to shaking off an indoctrinated belief system, and realising some actual truth for a change
also if you can let your gravity god go and realise some actual science for a change instead of pseudo-science, you might find it interesting how the physics and properties of water are to find and maintain a flat and level surface, it's only when you are indoctrinated and deluded with a gravity god fantasy that water in large bodies will imaginary bend on the surface to account for an imaginary curvature of an imaginary space ball..
It's just real science and reality after all... Shame most people can't seem to tell the different between actual science and pseudo-science though or there's a small chance even more people might be able to start seeing through the helio-centric religious indoctrination
''but but there's no upside down on duh ball though, but but you can't feel motion though, but but you just don't inner-stand psyience and physics though.. but gravity though''
Yes, yes, but can you just try to picture/imagine your helio-centric space ball fantasy from an outside perspective of the whole earth, you see the airplanes flying upside down right? You see those ships sailing upside down stuck to a curved ocean surface because of a fantasy mass attracting mass gravity god that holds most of your indoctrinated nonsense together, and those people walking upside down stuck to a rotating sphere because of the huh duh gravity god right?
''but but there's no upside down on duh ball though, but but you can't feel motion though, but but you just don't inner-stand psyience and physics though.. but gravity though''
Yes, yes, but can you just try to picture/imagine your helio-centric space ball fantasy from an outside perspective of the whole earth, you see the airplanes flying upside down right? You see those ships sailing upside down stuck to a curved ocean surface because of a fantasy mass attracting mass gravity god that holds most of your indoctrinated nonsense together, and those people walking upside down stuck to a rotating sphere because of the huh duh gravity god right?
''but but there's no upside down on duh ball though, but but you can't feel motion though, but but you just don't inner-stand psyience and physics though.. but gravity though''
Yes, yes, but can you just try to picture/imagine your helio-centric space ball fantasy from an outside perspective of the whole earth, you see the airplanes flying upside down right? You see those ships sailing upside down stuck to a curved ocean surface because of a fantasy mass attracting mass gravity god that holds most of your indoctrinated nonsense together, and those people walking upside down stuck to a rotating sphere because of the huh duh gravity god right?
Explains how/why people are indoctrinated to believe they must believe in god and jesus for eternal life and to be saved, and how/why it's not the truth, and what the truth is
''but we need jesus to be saved''
Explains how/why people are indoctrinated to believe they must believe in god and jesus for eternal life and to be saved, and how/why it's not the truth, and what the truth is
''but we need jesus to be saved''
Ahh, the joys of attempting to explain actual truth to people indoctrinated with belief systems, that are seemingly not capable of realising they've been indoctrinated with a belief system, and only seem to get more deluded, and more indoctrinated the more truth and sense that is shown and fed to them.. But of course there is reasons for all of this, which I'm sure you know all already...
Oh and you can have the other comment I bothered to drop in here with the 2,000 + levels of stupid
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Unfortunately those with an actual brain and some actual knowledge can't just fix indoctrinated stupid with added delusion of knowledge and intelligence, so wouldn't be able to explain to you or people like you how the stars appearing to move how they do like that is a perspective thing, and makes perfect sense if you actually know and inner-stand a thing that's actually true for a change
But then again perspective and convergence is such an important thing to actually inner-stand, if you're actually going to inner-stand a lot of what we're actually observing in the sky, and why it actually appears like it does, which would be why you wasn't actually told about it properly in the indoctrination camps when you were being indoctrinated with the helio-centric belief system
But then again there's lots of important things for people to inner-stand, but they're often too busy imagining they know everything to actually inner-stand something that's actually true
Might help people to try to inner-stand what belief systems are and do to people, and how they think and perceive, and how someone might carry a belief system, and defend it, regardless of how true any of it actually is.. You might soon realise that some of the religious beliefs, and mainstream science, big bangs, monkey people, helio-centric model and gravity god are 2 of the main examples of what indoctrinated belief systems can do to people
So then you might want to ask yourself what indoctrination really is, and why people are purposefully being told from as young as the age of about 3 years old, of space balls, big bangs and gravity gods, sprinkled with a bit of monkey people?
Then you might be 2 out of 2,000 things on your way to realising how, why, when and what the actual truths are when it comes to the shape of the earth.. Because sadly most people are too stupid and deceived to realise a lot of other obvious and simple things about what's going on here on earth, never mind having the intelligence to actually see what the shape of the earth is, without their indoctrinated belief system and their delusions of knowledge and intelligence telling them what to think and see
FEs will blow a gasket if they ever peruse the online publication *_Journal of Geodesy._*
Does the sun circle above a flat Earth?
Just take a stick and plant it in the middle of your lawn on a sunny day.
Put a stone where the shadow of the tip of the stick falls every hour. Do these stones lie on (part of) a circle?
YES?
Congratulations! you live on flat Earth!
NO?
Well then you live on something else..
If no circles, then no flat Earth!
It's that simple!
Spoiler alert!
On the equinoxes that track is a straight line, and on no day in the year is it circular!
Hey Dave. I commute to and from New Orleans for work. I drive across the I-10 Twin Span bridge which has a "hump" for boats to pass underneath. On the same body of water and only slightly less than 20 miles away is the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway. When at the top of the hump on the Twin Span, I still cannot see the Causeway... which has three similar humps. Of course I understand why but this would be an exemplary scenario to posit to a flat earther. This is a relatively short distance and, on a flat plane, it should be easily visible.
Ah, but you see, atmospheric lensing only affects objects that seem to support their theory. If it provides a counter-example, it's an exception for... uh... reasons...
Personal atmospheric dome generated by NASA agents!
A guy flew a plane from Sydney over the south pole, across Antarctica, up the Americas, over the North Pole in the Arctic, and then south over Russia and back to Australia. The trip was fully documented with high quality photos and involved hundreds of people along the route. A book was published in 1991 documenting the entire journey.
The earth is a globe. This is 100% documented undeniable fact.
Humans have seen and photographed it from space as well, starting in 1947, waaaay before CGI
''and as the guy was flying his plane upside down around a giant imaginary space sphere, his compass suddenly went from pointing north to erm.. pointing north, as he crossed the southern non-magnetic field of the earth, and started heading north around an imaginary curvature''
and the guy was a genius, just like the 6 billion or so other hopelessly lost, deceived and oblivious people, but not without their delusions of freedom, knowledge and intelligence
Don't mind me, I just came online and typed flat earth into youtube and looked in comment section for a minute because I wanted to be reminded just how many wannabe intellectual mental midgets there are out there, defending their helio-centric mind control fantasy with their delusions of knowledge and intelligence.. Absolutely no difference to a general religious person trying to defend their indoctrinated belief system, with their indoctrinated belief system
More importantly, repeatable by anyone who wants to find out. There are even experiments that anyone can do at home to save flying. The problem is, nothing can prove anything to cult members. They don't want proof and will show more aggressive rejection as the cognitive dissonance increases. They will claim to have been drugged during the flight or have their memories altered or some other nonsense. We've all seen clips of people who have demonstrated the facts to themselves and then sort of paused and blinked and reset. It must be a conspiracy against them else their world crumbles because they're not as special as they believe they are. They can and will discount anything that isn't their belief.
What is the name of the book?
I still haven't found a flat earther who can explain how the sun appears to move away from us, appearing to set, while moving 15 degrees around the disc at the same time. They have offered up some mangled science, but they refuse to tell me why I cant simply turn at the same speed as the sun, meaning that it would never set from my position.
The dome is a hologram. The sun can appear to do anything "they" want.
Nobody knows where the sun is or what it is.
Here on earth its measurably flat,
The Maldives islands are completely flat.
@@Hellndegenerates I like how you didn't address the original question and deflected to something unrelated. Typical flerf
@@Hellndegenerates
sorry shortbus rider, but we certainly do know that the sun verifiably does not do laps over flattardia.
@@dougaltolan3017
assertions without evidence can be dismissed.
I once asked two questions to a FLatEarther for which I never got an answer from.
What drives the sun to move back and forth from the tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorns?
As the tropic of Capricorns has a larger radius on the flat earth, the rotation of the sun over the earth needs to speed up after June 21st, what force make the sun rotating faster?
I once asked a glober what is gravity and they told me its magic, It can do anything 🙄
@@keithmc8654 really? It’s not magic. It can’t do AnyThINg. That’s a ROUND out lie :]
@@keithmc8654 So on the evidence of a single uneducated person, you assume that the vast majority of the population are wrong?
@@keithmc8654 Can a Flerf provide 1 Single experiment that follows the Scientific Method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe?
Can a Flerf present an accurate 'Flat Earth' map?
Can a Flerf present a Working 'Flat Earth' model?
The answer to all 3 is, no you Can't. Because the Earth is a Globe, that's a tested, measured, demonstrated, observed Fact.
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From the channel "Dial"
MAGE II - What shape is the Earth?
From the channel "Mr Sensible Live"
56 Miles (90 km) Above Earth - Successful Amateur Rocket Launch
From the channel "Kip Daugirdas"
Dude Perfect Goes to SPACE
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NASA and SpaceX Launch U.S.-European Mission to Monitor World’s Ocean (Recap)
From the channel "NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory"
Mars Odyssey lift-off, booster separation, main engine cut-off, staging, fairing jettison
From the channel "Kerbonaut"
Atlas V GOES-S Rocket Cam
From the channel "United Launch Alliance"
Inside a Rocket From Take Off To Orbit (External Cameras) in HD
From the channel "999metalme"
Simple DIY Round Earth Experiments
From the channel "Astrum"
ISS through my Telescope (Compilation)
From the channel "J.W.Astronomy"
Flight footage and facts for Flat Earthers who don't understand how aircraft fly.
From the channel "Wolfie6020"
Absolutely No "fish-eye" lenses used in the videos above.
And articles,
The History of Geodes: Global Positioning Tutorial
From the NOAA web site.
How do scientists measure or calculate the weight of a planet?
From the Scientific American web page.
Measuring the Earth, Modernized | Britannica
Encyclopedia Britannica web page.
Measuring the earth from space - Science Node
From the Science Node web page.
Measure the Circumference of the Earth - NASA/ADS
From Harvard University.
Curve of the earth visualized and measured
From the mctoon web page
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The Globe observed, demonstrated, measured, recorded, Confirmed.
Flerfs Can't provide a Single experiment, that follows the scientific method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe. Because Flat Earth isn't a Theory, it's a Belief.
You will ignore All the clear, testable, observable evidence I provided, because you Don't want to know the Truth. You want to protect your Belief based on Faith.
"You got to Lie to Flerf".
You're lying to everyone here, but worse, you're Lying to yourself, and that's the pathetic part...
@@keithmc8654 - I can show you detailed mathematical models that accurately show the movement of planets in our solar system. Can you do the same for your "theory"?
Flat earthers can't even explain sunrises and sunsets without using mental gymnastics and word salad. Not one thing would happen the same as it does if earth was flat.
I think you should do a video explaining in detail to flerfs how to focus their cameras on stars, combining some elements of your past channel content.
I think that might be necessary given some of the examples I've seen
@@DaveMcKeegan Dave Weiss sitting there in front of those out of focus videos of stars is hilarious though. The whole "out of focus" star thing is probably one of the funnier parts of the flat earth world.
There is no way that Dave Weiss is for real. He knows those videos are just out of focus. He has to.
Flatards don't understand science. It's a waste of time.
With their P900s 😂. Or is it P1000s now.
@@DaveMcKeegan The dome is a hologram, no earth based observations can tell the difference between a hologram and real space.
Except 1, and I'll leave that for you to find out.
“But the magnetic diffraction of the declination of the buoyancy of the dome!!!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a south African I have to apologise for South Africa flatzoid... unfortunately he's a result of the 20% pass mark required in today's South African education system
Savage, but fair.
Wait, another flerf that is a southerner?
Nicely done, Dave! There's also this problem: on the equinoxes, everyone on the equator sees the Sun traveling in a straight line all day long. (It rises and makes a straight line toward the observer before going straight overhead and straight off to set on the opposite horizon with sun dials confirming it never deviates left or right.) This itself destroys the flat earth because no flat earth model works if the Sun travels in a straight line all day. It has to circle to get back to its origin point. But you know what really annoys me? How flat earthers are always going on about how obvious the flat earth is and complaining about how no one believes them. Yet globe earthers have made prediction after prediction that has come true. Another one is coming on April 20, 2023: a hybrid solar eclipse. These predictions have been so spot on over the years, no one doubts they will happen. Flat earthers, on the other hand, never make ANY predictions! If someone is properly predicting the weather week after week, and someone else is never willing to tell me what the weather will be the next day, who am I going to believe knows more about the weather?
Not to mention: sunrise is at 6am local within a few minutes at the Equinoxes at every location from the furthest point north to the furthest point south on the same longitude(IE the SAME TIME) all day long, from west to east on those two days.
That would be impossible with the Sun being a local object - sunrise almost simultaneously at 0E, then 1E, etc all day long. Of course, the next day it would NEARLY as impossible, and so on.
Sunrise/set times are only even vaguely possible on a flat Earth for a week or two at midsummer and midwinter...but then only in the Northern Hemisphere.
The Southern Hemisphere sunset/rise times are always impossible without resorting to complete nonsense like something someone ranted to me like "everyone has their own personal Sun and Moon and stars - we each perceive our own".
I wish that was a joke.
@@bobsurface908 Working hand in hand with that, the terminator line separating night and day is always a straight line - which wouldn't be true of the Sun was a close, local spotlight.
@@jwb932 Learn about parabolic mirroring, sacred geometry and spectrometry before espousing you preschool observational content. You just made a lot of other Gingers, seem to be dumber than what they are!
@@jwb932 Also the small fact that the sun is completely circular at all times of day, unlike a spotlight, which would be an ellipse at all times aside from the brief point it is directly overhead.
@@bobsurface908 I don't mind if people want to believe this tripe. But they shouldn't be allowed to vote or work in any kind of important roles . Lol. I say to them, enjoy your delusions and maybe condsider medication if it's getting a bit out of control, but don't try and join in any real conversation about the world or influence policy that is based on reality. I used to know a guy who thought his girlfriend and unborn baby were talking to him telepathically. I would chat with him about how that felt, as if it was real, because it felt real to him and so the feelings he had were real. But I didn't tell him I believed it and he was on heavy medication because he was diagnosed as schizophrenic. Cracking guy but some brain wiring was off and it caused delusions. Nothing anyone said could convince him because he could hear them talking to him. FE is a different process but equally as delusional because they refuse to challenge the beliefs, even though they could if they wanted to.
Thank you. I like your channel because you are making an effort to teach me something. Most other channels are flat earth debunkers. That’s all they do, debunk. It feels a little like bullying. We know that flat earthers haven’t based their model on scientific methodology, we know they don’t do research, we know they can’t even work out their own inconsistencies, they are an easy target to laugh at, we know this and still so many channels just debunk and mock. However, with you, I learn about something genuinely interesting and new. Again, thank you.
Some of these explanations are above my head. Why can't other people say: "I don't know?" Instead of I know everything, everything, everything... Great vid!
you are doumb lol
One question they never answer is , if the world is flat, what's on the underside?
"It's been proved it's under 2400 miles". That's an amazingly interesting statement. So, who "proved" this, when was it done, and exactly what "proof" was there, I wonder...
Yoga teacher maths
From the photo behind it, he's using crepuscular rays and ignoring (ironically) perspective.
I stopped debating with flatards. I told them to go find the edge of flat earth and jump into space. Melts
But... laser penguins!
Flat you say,
The Maldives islands are completely flat.
@@Hellndegenerates To what precision level did you measure it?
@@Hellndegenerates Why are they shrinking in size on Pizza world if water is flat?
@@Hellndegenerates My coffee table is flat. Everest is not completely flat. I live in a level home built on a round hill... None of this is relevant to the subject. Not sure what your point is but reading your mindless copy-pasta from before, I suspect trolling is afoot. 😛
The funny thing about flerfs is that if you press them hard enough they will all admit that everything looks like the earth is a globe, but that there are unexplained phenomenon that just make it look that way.
Something is showing the sun setting when in reality the sun is hundreds and hundreds of miles off to the west and very much above the disc.
Something is making the sun appear to move at a constant angular speed and size across the sky when it's actually getting smaller and larger and moving *much* faster at noon than the rest of the day.
Something is causing the moon to light up exactly asif it's being lit by the sun.
Something is causing eclipses.
What are those somethings? They don't know, probably NASA. Apparently NASA was a ble to influence sundials back in the stoneage...
Turbine 11.8 miles away fully visible to the very last mm at the bottom, view height 3.5ft...
Refracted Horizon = 2.47 miles.
Refracted Drop= 79.59 feet
Refracted Hidden= 49.71 feet.
So an horizon 8 miles more than the globe allows, and you have 49.71ft to account for, over to you?
@@Hellndegenerates Can a Flerf provide 1 Single experiment that follows the Scientific Method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe?
Can a Flerf present an accurate 'Flat Earth' map?
Can a Flerf present a Working 'Flat Earth' model?
The answer to all 3 is, no you Can't. Because the Earth is a Globe, that's a tested, measured, demonstrated, observed Fact.
Videos just on TH-cam alone-
ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!!
From the channel "Up, into space!"
ONE OF THE MOST DETAILED ISS TOUR!!! #2 [DEUTSCHE VERSION]
From the channel "Up, into space!"
James May Rides in a U2 Spy Plane [HQ]
From the channel "Dial"
MAGE II - What shape is the Earth?
From the channel "Mr Sensible Live"
56 Miles (90 km) Above Earth - Successful Amateur Rocket Launch
From the channel "Kip Daugirdas"
Dude Perfect Goes to SPACE
From the channel "Dude Perfect"
NASA and SpaceX Launch U.S.-European Mission to Monitor World’s Ocean (Recap)
From the channel "NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory"
Mars Odyssey lift-off, booster separation, main engine cut-off, staging, fairing jettison
From the channel "Kerbonaut"
Atlas V GOES-S Rocket Cam
From the channel "United Launch Alliance"
Inside a Rocket From Take Off To Orbit (External Cameras) in HD
From the channel "999metalme"
Simple DIY Round Earth Experiments
From the channel "Astrum"
ISS through my Telescope (Compilation)
From the channel "J.W.Astronomy"
Flight footage and facts for Flat Earthers who don't understand how aircraft fly.
From the channel "Wolfie6020"
Absolutely No "fish-eye" lenses used in the videos above.
And articles,
The History of Geodes: Global Positioning Tutorial
From the NOAA web site.
How do scientists measure or calculate the weight of a planet?
From the Scientific American web page.
Measuring the Earth, Modernized | Britannica
Encyclopedia Britannica web page.
Measuring the earth from space - Science Node
From the Science Node web page.
Measure the Circumference of the Earth - NASA/ADS
From Harvard University.
Curve of the earth visualized and measured
From the mctoon web page
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The Globe observed, demonstrated, measured, recorded, Confirmed.
Flerfs Can't provide a Single experiment, that follows the scientific method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe. Because Flat Earth isn't a Theory, it's a Belief.
You will ignore All the clear, testable, observable evidence I provided, because you Don't want to know the Truth. You want to protect your Belief based on Faith.
"You got to Lie to Flerf".
You're lying to everyone here, but worse, you're Lying to yourself, and that's the pathetic part...
@@Hellndegenerates "Look, random numbers with no context! Checkmate, globehead!"
@@Hellndegenerates Exactly as I predicted.
"You will ignore All the clear, testable, observable evidence I provided, because you Don't want to know the Truth. You want to protect your Belief based on Faith."
Flerfs Can't provide a Single experiment, that follows the scientific method, that can be repeated to get the same results, that demonstrates the Earth is flat, Not a globe. Because Flat Earth isn't a Theory, it's a Belief.
@@jamesdominguez7685 Also: copypasted response that has nothing to do with the themes of the post
Here's one maybe you've covered: They say the reason you can't see the sun at night is because the light doesn't travel infinitely. Basically it fades before reaching you. So how is the moon lit by the sun when the sun isn't visible? It's a simple triangle equation. The distance from the sun to the moon and then to you eye is always equal to or larger than the distance from the sun to the observer. Not to mention there is still light after the sun is no longer visible at sun set and before sunrise.
I had a flerf say the same thing to me once, so I asked how come we can still see the stars after sunset, since they are even dimmer and further away than the sun? Still waiting for a reply on that one.
They say the moon creates its own light.
@@MrEjwheeler Devils advocate here. They could easilly just claim the lights only appear dimmer because they have lost their luminosity on the way to us, but that they are in fact much brighter than the sun.
@@throwawayavclubber7269 with phases to further perpetuate this idea of a globe!
I remember them demonstrating that in Level. It was an open scam because the reason the camera was in the dark was because the rim of the flashlight was between the camera and the bulb.
By the way, the sunlight travels farther in the winter on Flat Earth. If you look at the light patterns, the sun moves outwards as it moves south.... but illuminates more of the Southern Hemisphere on the opposite half than when it was closer to it.
If the sun actually acted like a spotlight like they pretend, Australia should probably be winter year-round like Narnia. Even if the sun is higher overhead, it would never have more than 12 hours of sunlight unless the light swatch is large enough to also still have more than 12 in the North too.
Even though all their hypothesis' fail or their own experiments prove a globe Earth, they still soldier on with insane stubbornness. I wonder what the next shape of the Earth will be once they are exhausted with the pizza disk planet.
Ask them which map they really use to navigate Earth. It took about a dozen jabs, but I finally got this one today...
jose fernando lopez acosta
4/17/2023
@TJ Jones I use Google earth to calculate distances on Earth.
It's so much more gratifying to make THEM do the debunking. :)
Even a zero-g plane debunks the flat earth. Whenever I asked a flerf what’s happening on a zero-g flight, they either suddenly don’t answer anymore or they start to insult me. Curious. 🤣
I'm not sure I follow this one, can you explain? Not asking because I don't believe you, but because I don't understand what that would have to do with the shape of the earth.
@@garconrouge9099 It has to do the flat earthers typically not believing in gravity, as gravity wouldn't play nice with any flat earth model. They instead typically claim that gravity is something else, like an inverse buoyant force from the atmosphere, or some sort of magnetic force.
@@garconrouge9099 like the other guy said. Gravity debunks flat earth, because on a zero g flight gravity is cancelled out.
So their buoyancy claims are distroyed, because suddenly stuff that normally falls to the floor is hovering in much lighter earth, which doesn’t follow their made up law of buoyancy anymore.
Bro is systemically ripping my old worldview to shreds. Wish I had found your channel a few years ago.
This might just be my biggest gripe about the flat Earth theory. If there was a sun orbiting a flat Earth, you would always see it because it's above the horizon. No matter if you're in Asia or South America, the sun would always be visible on a flat disc. But it's not, is it?
You've never seen the video of the sun traveling away and disappears because it's too far away to see? That's some amazing flat earth proof yo.
You would need multiple suns that crash into earth every night and then rise up out of the earth in the morning. But, everybody has different times for sunsets and rises hence you need a bunch of suns.
That one bugs me too, because if you ask any further questions about that model it falls apart. If the Sun were like a spotlight, we would see it stay above the horizon and wink out, and the precise instant of "sunset" would happen first at the top of a building, when in reality it happens at the bottom. If the atmosphere were blocking it like a video game render distance, we would see the Sun stay above the horizon and fade out, and when we flew in airplanes we would see less of the horizon, not more. And so on...
@@nunya_bizniz Nah. You just need the elephant to cock its leg as the sun goes past underneath.
The sun isn't a sphere...
It's a "spotlight"
Ah ha ha ha!
They make up stuff to fit their current talking point and then make up some contradictory stuff to support another talking point.
Its all to do with Eggs, Salt, and Unicorn Farts, as far as I know.
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Thank me later
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Listening to a flat earther is like listening to a politician -- nonsense just to scam you.
Best flat earther debunker there is. Great stuff👍👍
The best flat-earth debunking video i've seen, is Professor Dave's "response to globebusters".
Really worth a look ;-)
But Dave here, does a superb job too.
Yeah, he really gets to the bare bones of the argument & just crushes it.
@@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 . . He crushed nothing from my perspective and neither did he debunk anything.
This was just another one of the many click bait videos out there to keep the globers believing they still live on a spinning ball hurling through outer space.
Rev 12:9 KJV And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Ah, you may think that, but that's because you never saw the CHL "testing flatards" series. Epic stuff and my introduction to flerf destruction.
Try to debunk a FEr on the BS promulgated by your MK agents worldwide for the last three years. Oh wait you'll have to maintain that lie also, just so your ego isn't krushed🤭😏.
I guess their argument would be that the hundred-mile-high ice wall holds the atmosphere, which is also flat, turning us into a Cylinder Earth
I just love the never ending ways flat earth can be debunked.
You'd need a cold air sphere that sat inside a temperature gradient atmosphere without resorting itself. And we'd need one that moved on front of anything we looked at instantly, for all people. Because a magnifier has only one focal point.
It's not worth a breath.
Amazing how they claim atmospheric refraction doesn't exist when looking at distance objects and saying "I don't see enough of a curve!" Yet suddenly it not only exists but has magic powers when arguing it makes the sun stay the same apparent size.
Sun is local
@@Globeisahoaxx It is surely not. That can actually be tested. But you were a little non-responsive to my questions, weren't you?
@@Globeisahoaxx you are a liar
they'll argue it doesn't exist even though *you can see the phenomenon on a hot day over water or the ground.*
@@GlobeisahoaxxYeah no we're drifting across the universe because of the sun and other things.
I’ve come to read the flat earther’s responses of “Nuh uh!”
Flatzoid gonna "you just debunked yourself"
Dave, your sponsorship segways are always so clean; I legit missed the part when we started talking about Squarespace lmfao. I love it though, as well as your debunking flat earth, so keep it up.
Also, since air is denser closer to the ground, light that's travelling towards or from the horizon will tend to bend down, sort of like the path of a baseball. If the Earth were flat, as we looked slightly above the horizon at increasing angles, those paths would bend down and strike the surface of the Earth farther away, causing it to look like we were sitting in the bottom of a bowl.
But air (the atmosphere) isn't denser closer to the ground on the FE, because FE's deny the existence of gravity, which is why in the _real_ world, we can measure a pressure gradient as our altitude changes. Without gravity, there can be no pressure gradient, ergo the FE atmosphere is homogeneous at all elevations from the FE surface to the wall of the impenetrable/impermeable “firmament dome” 20k km overhead (at the North Pole). A pressurised gas cannot share an enclosed volume with a vacuum-it will always seek to fill the void and create equilibrium.
Therefore, any attempt to explain apparent observations of the sun's position near the horizon, through lensing or worse, _perspective,_ on the FE, is utter nonsense.
_Flattards_ are immune to irony and allergic to self-awareness.
@@MelioraCogito Meanwhile, me boiling water in Denver and going hmmmmmmm
8:26 _The presence of pressure gradient causes problems for flat Earth._
Meaning that their atmospheric arguments defeat their own premise of a flat Earth.
i love the way you quickly and subtly imply that the optical lensing that the Flerfs talk about is only possible on a round earth, and then just drop it right there and refuse to elaborate further.
A simple question:
a sailor 2m tall standing in a lifeboat on the open sea can see the horizon in a distance of 5km. Another sailor climbed up the mast and is now 45m (i.e. on the Gorch Fock) above the sea, his horizon is 24km away. They both carry lanterns and they can see each others light up to a distance of 29km.
How to explain this on a flat earth?
Obviously they (who?) exactly calibrated the magnification to make us believe we're on a globe with radius 6371km...
nee-kon p1000
I like how Dave stays in his lane of expertise, optics. His debunks are solid and yet varied.
As a retired geographer, I see other sets¹ of debunking that would be fun to see someone use, especially if they were as knowledgeable and had their own cuddly lap-happy dog.
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¹ Things such as the Coriolis effect, atmospheric circulation, plate tectonics...
PhD Tony showing Seismic arrival times on a globe and on flat earth
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Wolfie6020 showing his necessary inflight adjustment for Coriolis effect
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I'm still waiting for an army sniper to tell a flat-earther to perform a 2km precision shot whithout taking into account the Coriolis effect... and to see the reaction of said flat-earther when his shot don't hit without, but hit with.
it's honestly sad that these people will never get to experience the beauty of math
Let's not forget that in a flat Earth map the meridians are wider spaced the southernmost you go, making for wider time zones. How that matches with the fact that days and hours last the same than in the North? How is it that in Southern winter (June) there are less hours of sunlight there than in the North at the same time? ¿Does the Sun has a lampshade?
Another case where basic geometry breaks everything related to flat earth.
The Maldives islands are completely flat.
@@Hellndegenerates Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. And the Maldives range from 5 to 7 feet above sea level, so not they are not flat.
@@Hellndegenerates Fact, You're a liar.
@@Hellndegenerates - A quick Google Images search proves that wrong immediately.
@@Hellndegenerates flat brain
Other than destroying flat earth indisputably my favorite part is the fact your pup is just straight up comfy as hell the whole time
Dubay is a fan of a certain German leader of the 1930s. That tells you all you need to know about that guy.
Certain German leader of the '30s... Philipp Scheidemann?
He likes dogs?
@@DowncastParadox no, hes referring to Adolf Hi****
@@FlatEarthKiller Never heard of him.
@@DowncastParadox woah uhhh uhh how do i explain him soo uhh he was basically an austrian art student who ruled germany and uhh uhh killed the jews?? his name is adolf hitler
That's strange, I must've missed the giant floating magnifying glass magically hovering over earth. I really must get to specsavers.
To correct the moons size when it's close to the horizon, bend over and look at it upside down .
This is a wind up, right? Like walking round and round a monument untill a whole crowd joins in....
You just want a load of people to go out on the next moon lit night and stick thier heads between thier legs to see the moon upside down.
Not that I can possibly *not* try it..
@@dougaltolan3017 Bend over sideways , hold on to something , the moon will look normal . It is caused by seeing the moon close to objects like trees or buildings on the horizon that makes it look bigger , be flipping the the view the brains sees the moon normally
If you want to find out what it's like to be learning to drive again, turn your head sideways while you're driving down the freeway. Same effect.
Ah yes, the origin of the word "mooning" ...
I wonder if flerfs love the Truman Show and they all want to be Burbank Truman.
I know of only one valid reason for the earth to be flat... it's hard to fold a globe like you can a map.
th-cam.com/video/eG29HrU6Slw/w-d-xo.html
That's why that exists
Thanks Dave, I assume this wraps up the whole discussion about the shape of the Earth. I'm sure we'll never hear from flat Earth again. 😂
it's really confusing to me how a flerf can look at a simple model that's perfectly consistent and makes total sense, and then understand it worse than a series of magical handwavey statements about how the laws of thermodynamics are false and everything discovered after pythagoras is false
The fact that there’s such a vehement discussion about whether the earth is flat or not in [current_year] is…disturbing.
But its only a vehement discussion with a microscopically irrelevant %age of the world's population. I mean if a really HUGE %age of people thought the Earth was flat - like maybe 1% of the world's population then we might have a problem, but with only a few 100 thousand idiots we're good. There are much bigger issues with the much larger percentage of people who are murders, rapists or thieves. Flerfers are just ... nobodies and not worth bothering about.
We've always had crazy and stupid people.
love the content dave 🥰
I had one flat Earther mention atmospheric magnification to me once and I said, "OK so if that's the case a full Moon at the horizon should look much smaller when viewed from an airplane at 35, 000 feet because your almost 80% out of the atmosphere. Never heard back.
two more experiment to mention:
1- forget about east-to-west measurements and measure the shadow angles north-to-south and it will lead to a globe.
2- earth has two night sky axes where stars follow two different circular paths diverging at the equator: famous north-star-centric photos and not-so-popular south-centric ones. direct result of being on a sphere.
Unfortunately those with an actual brain and some actual knowledge can't just fix indoctrinated stupid with added delusion of knowledge and intelligence, so wouldn't be able to explain to you or people like you how the stars appearing to move how they do like that is a perspective thing, and makes perfect sense if you actually know and inner-stand a thing that's actually true for a change
But then again perspective and convergence is such an important thing to actually inner-stand, if you're actually going to inner-stand a lot of what we're actually observing in the sky, and why it actually appears like it does, which would be why you wasn't actually told about it properly in the indoctrination camps when you were being indoctrinated with the helio-centric belief system
But then again there's lots of important things for people to inner-stand, but they're often too busy imagining they know everything to actually inner-stand something that's actually true
Might help people to try to inner-stand what belief systems are and do to people, and how they think and perceive, and how someone might carry a belief system, and defend it, regardless of how true any of it actually is.. You might soon realise that some of the religious beliefs, and mainstream science, big bangs, monkey people, helio-centric model and gravity god are 2 of the main examples of what indoctrinated belief systems can do to people
So then you might want to ask yourself what indoctrination really is, and why people are purposefully being told from as young as the age of about 3 years old, of space balls, big bangs and gravity gods, sprinkled with a bit of monkey people?
Then you might be 2 out of 2,000 things on your way to realising how, why, when and what the actual truths are when it comes to the shape of the earth.. Because sadly most people are too stupid and deceived to realise a lot of other obvious and simple things about what's going on here on earth, never mind having the intelligence to actually see what the shape of the earth is, without their indoctrinated belief system and their delusions of knowledge and intelligence telling them what to think and see
The magical fFerfspective is of course the defeater to all your logic.
All hail the magic globe destroying Flerspective.
This is the best explanation I’ve seen regarding atmospheric lensing. Those animations and diagrams definitely helped.
Flerfers don't need more debunking videos. They need professional mental counselling.
Also, how does flat earth explain white nights in the Arctic summer and endless nights in the Arctic winter?
no need. the target audience for flat earthers is sheeple who do not ask questions
I saw the ice wall with my own eyes
My bad that’s just Detroit
@@christopherhaynes8101AND YOU ARE STILL ALIVE :O
Thank god for youtube flagging this with a flat earth fact-check; otherwise I might have become a flat earther after watching this
What's hilarious is that flat earthers can't explain how if the moon follows the sun around the desk of the earth how can there be sunrises sunsets moonrise moonset phases of the Earth eclipses which could never occur
Flerfs have created their own version of the English language. Dubay uses these words quite freely, with the term "proven" perhaps the most frequent. He simply ignores the reality that evidence is required by most people for such claims. A no time does he produce the methodology by which his claims about the sun's size and distance are "proven". Simply substitute the words "I believe" for every time Dubay uses proven and you'll be realize what his precision instrument really is: a monotone, pedantic speaking voice.
...A pedantic voice that can fill otherwise calm and peaceful folk with a barely-controllable urge to forcibly rearrange his dental work.
Thanks, i needed a good chuckle this week
Although you can't see the change in the Moon's angular size with the naked eye over its transit, with a dslr or smartphone you can, and use that information to confirm its approximate distance. Of course, with such an imprecise method and confounding variables like refraction, it will only be an estimate, but it'll be _good enough_ to disprove flerther claims.
"Want to measure the distance to the Moon yourself? Now you can!," Shannon Hall, Universe Today, Phys.
I tried it with an "old" camera (1k resolution), and because of that, my result wasnt really good, but still in the order of ~100 000 km😅
Atleast I can say, I tried :P
To disprove the experiment, flat earthers should try looking at the sun through a magnifier glass and see if there's a difference with and without it.
Disclaimer: Ok don't do that, that's extremely dangerous but knowing them, they might actually try it.
Damn you and your disclaimers!!!!
the dog knows the moon is actually cheese and the sun is a mouse chasing the cheese for eternity
the dog doesn't give a cats ass about the flerf 😄
I think that the telescope idea mentioned at the end of the video, is intended to use the curvature of spacetime, not the curvature of the atmosphere.
The title of the paper he shows actually says "... Using the earth as an atmospheric lens".
This isn't like using stars as gravity lenses.
The terrascope concept is from the Cool Worlds lab and Prof. David Kipping, if you are interested I can recommend their TH-cam Channel (www.youtube.com/@CoolWorldsLab). I find his voice is unbelievable calming by the way :D Best regards from Germany
Gravity lensing is a thing but the paper he cited is about atmospheric lensing. Look at the title again
Thought the same and did a search. Apparently there are a few serious proposals of using the atmospheric lensing effect. Claims you could do planetary astronomy on exoplanets out to somewhere around 12 LY from us with a similar acuity as we are doing solar system astronomy from earth now.
The paper is freely available, search for "arxiv terrascope". It explains everything in great detail.
What's the flat earth explanation for the fact that the Sun disappears in the west and appears in the east. In the opposite direction? If they say that the Sun goes around under the earth they are admitting that the earth is three dimensional so, why can't it be a sphere?
Perspective, somehow.
We live on a Pacman world!
Portals?
@@rickkwitkoski1976 Pacman world is probably the best explanation!
nope.. THey claim it circles above..
just perspective makes it look like it sets..
excuses are endless.
I'm not a teacher - but I have some understanding of how earth works. If it was flat - nothing would or could work. We wouldn't even be here - earth couldn't exist. It makes no sense at all. That much I do know.
finally some quality content
I'm still trying to figure out what defines an equator in a flat earth.
I also want to know how on some days, the sun never sets on what we call the south pole
For them the equator is right through the middle
And the south pole simply does bot exist 🫥
@@Wasgone_jr if the equator is through the middle of the" flat earth", isn't the middle of a plate where the north pole would be?
Get close to the edge of their flat earth. I don't care where you stand, simply get on the attic. It will take about 2 months for the sun to set, and you will not see the sun from October through March.
Then again, on a flat earth, the only way the sun could set is if the sun went below the earth. It won't matter where you stand on the earth, if the sun is always abalone the earth, you will never ever see the sun set as it sets below the edge of the earth
im not a flat earther but i know that they resort to conspiracy when you talk about it so idk@@richlaue
@@richlaueopen Gleason flat earth map and see the land layout.
@@richlauesun set and rise is simply Sun movements above the earth. Sun is local
The important part you glossed over is this. In order to alter the apparent size without changing the object's shape, the magnifying medium must operate symmetrically. Like a convex lens, which is rotationally symmetrical about an axis (the optical axis.)
The horizontally arranged density gradient of the atmosphere results in any refraction operating essentially only in the vertical (discounting small-scale, localized refraction within turbulent intermixing.)
Unless there is present some anomalous gradients, such as in inversions and such, differential refraction most often has the Sun and Moon appear somewhat vertically squashed when very near the horizon. And so it is more often the case that these objects when rising and setting are actually a wee bit smaller; rarely larger. And the horizontal width is never altered by the general vertical gradient.
Another argument against this 'atmospheric magnification' is the fact that the patterns of the stars are clearly not so altered. A star cluster of apparent size equal to the Sun/Moon looks fundamentally the same through a telescope whether high or low in the sky.
And finally, the very specific kind of refraction required to operate on the flerf's Sun and Moon would have to present as a magical lensing effect for all places and observers, but never be present in any other place in the sky (so as to not similarly affect the stars, for instance.) The only place such a lens can exist is in a flerf's addled brain.
The flerf's habit of arguing a phenomenon in isolation, without taking an holistic approach, is what can make their notions seem to make some sense for an uneducated, credulous moron.
Once again some flat earther theory gets debunked by basic elementary school explanations, truly amazing how adult human beings can be this dense...
How many times do flat earthers have to explain this? Light is magic and does whatever it needs to do
Reasonable explanation from reasonable people.
It's hilarious that the answer for them is always "...magnets do it."
Once again a flerf explanation demolishes their own theory. Who would have guessed?
they don't have a theory. They have a jumble of inconsistent ideas.
It's atmosphere, not atmoflat.
Checkmate, Flearthers