Flat Earthers absolutely HATE this video - Comparing ISS timelapse to weather records
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Hey there Mr. Mckeegan. Have you ever thought about taking on the cult leaders of flat earth? The likes of the eric dubay, mark sargent, or flat brain dave? Mainly to finally shutdown this idiotic idea of the earth being flat.
I still wonder whether or not flat earthers could just say the footage in the videos here is actually partially authentic & are truly filmed in the atmosphere, but CGI is used to make the edges round and show the Earth as a sphere, even though the unedited footage shows it's flat. How would you answer such a partially real but partially CGI explanation?
Also, flat earthers would just argue that even one week of free time between the date the photo was taken and the date of publishing is enough for super advanced CGI to be done well enough, because, say, the most advanced CGI tech isn't available to the public and only limited versions are used by Hollywood to ensure that NASA's stuff seems realistic, and that since hiding the shape of the Earth is so important & gigantic of a coverup that it's not hard to imagine funding NASA with billions of dollars to pay attention to detail in order to make the fakery as convincing as possible. I think one way of dealing with that objection is to point out the actual practical problems with doing such advanced CGI work, disputing the actual factors needed for such super advanced CGI that can do hyperdetailed effects in a few days, and that one week of time and even Trillions of dollars aren't enough to actually compensate for.
That is amazingly thorough work Dave!
What any flat earth/anti space flight people really cannot explain is why any of this *public domain* data has been created. If they were involved in predicting the weather, they would not say such a thing.
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NASA according to Flerfs: so good at CGI that they match up the clouds in their ISS photos but also sometimes they forget to add in stars and don’t edit out “bubbles”
Yeah.
It's the classic double standard tactic.
And wires.
"It's hard to see stars inside a big city, so the city must be FAKE" -solid flerf logic
But if it's CGI, why should there be bubbles?
Flerf explanation: …it was probably the “new guys” on the CGI team who forgot to remove the wires and bubbles and stars and the more experienced ones working on matching up the clouds.
Still waiting on a solid explanation as to why dozens and dozens of CGI experts are on a team doing all of this work in secret to fool everyone for….what reason? For fun? No whistleblowers? No leaks? After all these years? Hmmmm….
I loved the "as flat images they wouldn't stitch together exactly. I wonder why that could be" comment. It's just one of many many many reasons the Earth simply couldn't be flat, but something they can never actually acknowledge.
show me the bend and the low pressure next to the high . Don't talk about CGI capabilities
@@rebornbrain Oh look, a silly flat earther caught with his pants down and squirming in the comment section, trying desperately to move the goal post.
Walk up a hill and observe how the horizon extends with increased elevation - there is your curvature (or bend as you stupidly called it).
Why do you think people climbing Mt Everest needs to bring their own oxygen? Nathan Oakley runs away every time I ask him.
Now run away in shame #GottaLieToFlerf
@@rebornbrainnice try. Unfortunately for you those are not problems for us to explain as they are flawed ideas to begin with, oozing directly from your own malformed understanding of the model.
@@rebornbrain Low pressure next to high? Have you never seen a weather map with isobars on?
@@rebornbrain I assume when you talk about "the bend" you mean in the water? You realize the tides exist, right? That phenomenon where the sea level is higher in some places and lower in others?
And with "low pressure next to high" I assume you're trying to argue that space can't be a vacuum. Hey genius, atmospheric pressure decreases and the air gets thinner as you go up in altitude -- why wouldn't that just *continue* to happen? Because if we were under a sealed dome and gravity didn't exist, atmospheric pressure with be the same regardless of altitude.
As always, flat earthers are too stupid to think through literally the most basic facts.
very smart of those CGI artists to do all this insane work on stuff that 1 in a million people will even look at
That's true! I didn't even know about these time-lapses until I watched Daves previous videos.
Not only that 1 in a million people would even look at the pictures or even knew they existed, but to match the clouds and astronaut reflection just in case somebody checks for that.
1 in a million people on earth is aprox 7500 people
@@mikevaujin4525 Why would nasa release footage of iss footage that doesnt match the weather? of course they would fake it
@@moonblue5833 Well, it's a bit over 8000 people.
NASA live stream of the ISS has 135 people watching at the moment...
Sir, please don't use sarcasm on flat-earthers, they barely understand basic geometry.
So they can't tell acute sarcasm from an oblique comment.
@@brianedwards7142 They think they're being acute, but they're really being obtuse ;)
What - flerfer is supposed to have even an idea what geometry is?
@@ABaumstumpf They have a very clear idea it's taboo - after all, it means measuring the Earth.
@@ABaumstumpf Well Bev, Brian Leaky, and Brian’s Logic all pretend to know.
To bad they open their mouths and remove all doubt.
I can't wait for LEO to cherry pick a single frame out of this video where the clouds don't match pixel perfectly and then claim the entire thing is false and CGI because of it.
I imagine if LEO responds then his argument will probably be "but space isn't demonstrable reality that can be tested and verified by all, therefore ISS can't be real so images must be fake"
LEO trying to debunk this would be like watching a 2-year-old trying to beat Messi in one-on-one football.
LEO is very good at spotting differences between what's shown in space footage and how _he_ expects it to look, and claimimg the footage is fake. For some reason he never considers the possibilty that his expectations could be wrong . . .
@@DaveMcKeegan My problem with LEO is that he always immediately jumps to CGI to explain phenomena while not actually explaining how it can be faked with CGI. Some things are incredibly, incredibly difficult (if not impossible) to fake in still images, let alone videos (such as the RAW camera files you talked about a few videos ago). If he put the effort in to show and perhaps even demonstrate (he is a demonstrable realist after all) how you could recreate the "faked" media, then he would be a lot more believable and his videos wouldn't be "hidden by the algorithm" (codeword for: not get a lot of views because they are low effort and boring).
But of course he isn't going to do that because he's ultimately either an elaborate troll / con artist that does it for the thrill / small profit, or he really is just so ignorant and incapable of understanding the world around him that he refuses to even try to comprehend a narrative different to the one in his head and will cherry pick as much as he can to support his crumbling facade.
All in all, thank you for what you do Dave, no matter what happens there will always be people out there denying it but at least you keep us entertained and you get money from sponsorships and ad revenue eh?
But his subs don't watch him to learn anything or debate the facts. They just want to listen to his snarly troll voice telling them that those "smarty pants that make you feel dumb are the REAL dummies and you are actually smart for not believing the lie!" Like MAGA voters, no amount of evidence is going to work because its not about "truth" anymore, its about their side winning no matter what.
Physicists, Astronomers, Historians, Geographers and more: *unable to convince flat earthers despite best efforts*
Photographer (rolling up his sleeves): "Step aside, lads."
I don’t think he’s actually trying to convince flat earthers. Every sane person knows that, while proving the Earth to be a globe is a trivial task, convincing fideists is an impossible one.
I’d say he’s only exposing flat earthers for what they really are, so unwary people wouldn’t see them as role models.
@@rafaelmarangoni That's fair. Dubay, Oakley, and the rest will never be convinced otherwise.
I think what he actually said was "hold me dog" 😂
@@prdurnion83I don’t think most of the “biggest names” in the flerf community actually believe the nonsense at this point, it’s just a grift which makes them even more awful.
Lol as a geographer I'm not trying to convince flat earthers that they're wrong. I try to convince them that they're stupid haha
lol LEO can't debunk a 50 minute ISS tour video even though he's been ASKED to. And yet here we have Dave proving the ISS is real by looking at the reflection of an astronaut in a 1000+ image time-lapse, because he WANTS to. Keep up the good work Dave 👍
Well he says he did but he clearly didn’t. All I saw him do was lie through his teeth while just saying it’s fake because I say it is.
LEO never actually watches the videos he tries to debunk, he just gives it a quick scan and repeats nonsense he's heard/said in the past... usually along the lines of "pANtoMiMe CGI PeRForMAncE. TheY aRE sHOwiNg uS DeMonsTrAbLe ReALiTy... oH WAiT, IMeAn, ItS DEmonStRaBlY ImPoSsIbLe.. PaNtoMImE. Or something"
Having done 3D modelling and animation myself, I can appreciate the task it would take to, first of all plan all this beforehand, model it with the correct textures and mapping of the weather data. The rendering would be the least of the time needed.
same here, and same conclusion.
Yet still, the quality and detail of ISS images is pretty insane. What I especially would not want to do, are the flawless transitions from day to night and back, with all the subsurface light scattering and volumetrics 😂
None of these fools think beyond it’s CGI and go no further. They have no idea how it works assuming you click a switch and done.
The .blend file would be big to say the least. lol.
The sky is also CGI, and it's the same model that is used to generate both all space images, and weather data and and the sky. /s
It's a piece of cake if you have several billion people on your payroll. You would think it would be cheaper for NASA to simply pay social media platforms money to simply remove the flat earth channels on them instead of paying over half the planet to fake everything to maintain the Big Conspiracy.
Flerfs are convinced CGI is magic and can be done nearly instantly
Flerfs are also convinced that this level of CGI existed back in 1966, when they "faked" the first photo of Earth from Lunar orbit! 🤦♀
Well clearly they must be using AI! Cuz everyone knows AI image generation is famous for its accuracy and consistency! ;>
Yet the closest they ever came to doing it was Rachie (of many zeroes) to use some very simple 3D rendering app on her phone ... (as far as I can tell)
Just goes to show not only do they not understand science, the earth and logic but they also do t understand CGI and the process that goes in to making CGI works.
No, it's generated months in advanced, and projected on the sky. /s
The "Flat images don't line up for some reason" comment will go further over a flerfs head than the ISS.
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Dave, you are the best flat earth debunker ever. Your calm, concise, and evidence based explanations are irrefutable and well presented. It's always tempting to insult or at least be sparky about flat earthers and their arguments, but you keep it to a bare minimum and are a very respectful person, even to those who probably do not deserve that respect. Keep doing what you are doing, sir.
Yeah really, I once had the misfortune of finding some other guy who's the exact opposite. He was so bad I couldn't even tell who was the flerfer for like 5 minutes!
Yup. He makes the best videos on that topic so far I've seen. No mockery, no hate, just pure science with a few funny comments that don't go to attack anyone. That's class.
The level of detail, and research Dave does is incredible. No flerf would spend any time cross referencing and validating sources. Those sources are not on TH-cam.....
As well as Dave here, I've also always loved the classic 'Cool Hard Logic' series on 'Testing Flat Earth' and 'Testing Geocentrism'... "It's all B@LLOX", the clown type music and his brilliant sense of humour he has blowing these Flat Earth/Geocentrist idiots out of the water... Hahahaha CHL knows his stuff, and lays it out with proper scientific facts and proper maths... They are always worth watching/re-watching those series of videos! 👌
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Agreed. I really don’t like that scimandan is the most popular of these kinds of channels. Dan is way too smug in his “demolition” of people who are clearly less intelligent than most. It’s not much of a win Dan. Plus Dan seems to miss the most obvious debunks and even sometimes gets his facts wrong. “Well that’s another stupid idiot flatearther debunked. See you in the next video” - smugmandan
you know when you say undebunkable the flat earthers will come with their buzz words and magnetic magic
Which just shows they have nothing and they know it.
@@Isolder74 yep totally agree, they call CGI on everything knowing that's their only way out of the facts presented to them
B-b-but, our magnets prove everyyyythiiing, your just not understanding and cognitive dissonance and magnetic declination
@@Traplock1 haha its not magnets they need its less meth
@@Rickrill give em enough and theyll fall off the edge
Flat Earthers always severely underestimate how difficult, time consuming, costly and labor intensive CGI work is. They think it's just that thing lazy hollywood directors use to avoid shooting practically, instead of a field of expertise and art that takes much to get right and almost nothing to get wrong.
Also funny how they only make CG claims for footage after the advent of it, regardless of footage and photographs taken before or the decades that technology spent in its infancy.
Always my favorite one lol. "This is a photo of Earth from before computers could generate images." "It's CGI!"
I've seen plenty of flerfs crying CGI to photos and films made long before the technology was capable of making such images. It's pretty clear they know about as much about computers as they do about photography.
@@khandimahn9687 well of course. Computers and photography require math and 95% of them seem like they flunked kindergarten math...
Many, not only flerfs, also underestimate how much they got tricked by movies prior to CGI even being a thing, e.g. not being aware of techniques like matte painting. Had this in a conversation just recently: "you can't trust what movies show you anymore" and almost swallowed my drink down the wrong pipe hearing that ...
@@hartmutholzgraefematte painting, practical effects, dummies, lots of stuff back then.
Even if there would not be a single flat earther left on our beautiful shaped globe, please keep making this videos. I love the determination and level of research you do, and with that, everytime I learn something new.
Agreed. I don’t give a s*t about flat earthers, their argument is way too primitive to be bothered with.
But I enjoy how well he explains basic scientific concepts.
at this point his videos are so good that its an overkill hahahha
But we know we love to see more!
@@Sacrengard Yeah, when I’m explaining similar things, I’m lazy, and there are many holes in my explanation which I need to further explain.
No holes here, these explanations are complete. Also both deep yet understandable.
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I understand that referencing flat earthers is a good clickbait, so more views, but it should be an educational channel
@@juzoli same
I agree, it’s so funny there are people that believe we live on a “flat plane” lol - where does the gravity derive from?
The attention to detail, you bring to your videos is unparalleled. At 7:17 you can also see above Greece, the huge fire that was caught at Evros at 19th of August until 4th of September, with all the smoke, going down to the Ionian sea. I was at Zakynthos island at that moment, and the sky was red-grey from all the smoke.
Only here for the dog.
Science stuff is a plus.
Jk love your content, keep up the good word.
Remarkable attention to details, something flat earthers should probably learn to do as well.
Then they wouldn't be flat earthers
They pay so much attention to a tiny detail which they think supports them that they don't notice all the rest that contradicts them.
Flat Earthers focus so much on the flat they miss the curve.
@@5peciesunkn0wn actually they focus so much on finding flaws in "the curve" that they miss to produce any actual evidence for the flat ... :o
That would backfire on them immediately. So it's best they are as vague as possible.
Faking this at this level of exactness and consistency would be a vastly bigger achievement than just fucking going to space, Jesus Christ.
I know right. It's like why use wires and green screen and fill the pool with water if it can all be faked with cgi. Fe'rs have no logic and no working bs detector.
you have no idea what you can do with 10x holywoods blockbusters top 10 movies' budget a year..you can fake jesus in space for that .....
anybody who says these images are faked has absolutely positively no idea, not even the first clue what they're talking about.
No flat earther or conspiracy theorist is knowledgable, in general. Since their misbeliefs roots in simply not knowing enough. And there are usually one or two of them who are somewhat knowledgable, so they can lead the rest with their half truths to their dark places :)
@@Sonnell Flat earthers, yes, but don't forget how many conspiracies, and thus their theorists, have been proven right in the end. MK Ultra, the dead baby project, government poisoning alcohol during prohibition, government spying via smartphones and social media...I could go on and on. More recently, COVID-19 originated from a lab leak, which the government vehemently denies, and got people banned from FB and twitter, but appears to probably be true. Sure, some conspiracy theories, like denying the moon landings, are from lack of knowledge, but a significant percentage of conspiracy theories are plausible, and quite a few turn out to be true.
@@Sonnellthe overly religious ones are the worst
@@Sonnell Knowledge is one thing - understanding is much more important, and there flerfs fail really big …
@@Sonnell I kid you not the Bible doesnt even claim a flat earth yet some Christians try it anyways.
I’m a CG artist and have worked in the industry for 13 years. It wouldn’t be possible to achieve what we’re seeing here in that timeframe. Simple as that.
I suspect Flat earthers must believe 400 million Chinese people are working on CGI to create fake images, and were doing so before computers could even render a scene at all
Ha! Then the flatties have got that wrong, really wrong, it's more like 400 million people using up the electricity supply of China mining Bitcoin. Which you could do with an abacus before computers existed. I have been reliably informed about the abacus bit by an insider from NASA. Or something like that. . .
I don't want to think how huge the task would be using cel animation.
The only people claiming CGI and visual effects are people that have absolutely no idea how CGI and vfx works and how much time and effort it takes. Not to mention our technological limitations completely preventing us from rendering some of the things they claim are rendered
I was and will be always an globe earth believer but man....this episode of debunking flat earth it's something I haven't seen until now...it's something else! AMAZING! Love your work!
There is no such thing as globe earth believer.
@@XtreeM_FaiL yeah, only a believer of facts
It is pretty good hey?
@@twatbird Facts are great because they still exist even if no one believe them.
I don't need to believe the earth is a globe. I know it is.
Flat Earthers won’t be able to comprehend this video, but hopefully rational people will find it appropriately fascinating. Always love seeing how relaxed and happy your dog is.
Indeed. Screw the Flerfs and their insular, wonderless, biblical, flat world. I prefer the real one with all the fancy stuff happening in it, and all the crinkly bits that we can see from space.
Why not go and watch dog videos then... [eyeroll] To many fucking dogs in the world already.
And a dog of the exact same breed bit me three times whilst I was delivering a parcel....
Next dog that tries that will be extirpated ahead of his termination date. No messing.
@@memkiii daf 😆
You are right, they didn't... I was in a FLERF group chat playing this video, and they Hated the guy, AI could do anything now, and they never show the ISS completing a whole trip, always cutting off the stream, and this photos was taking by high altitude balloons showing the actual clouds etc. etc. etc...
@@TruthSeeker8717 very convincing proof, buddy.
This is the kind of forensic photographic analysis flat earthers think they are capable of
I doubt that even the top digital graphics companies combined could churn out the amount of CGI needed to fake even half of this footage in the time frame.
Even if they could, there's no way NASA would shell out the money for state of the art software, workstations, render farms, and the army of top-tier CG artists it would take to pull this off.
I absolutely love your Flerf debunking work. You do such a great job laying out why what we all know to be true is actually true. There's only so much pure "look at these stoopids" content I can take (not that there's anything wrong with that, just not totally my thing), whereas "look at this cool thing that could only happen if mainstream science is right" is content I can consume all day
7:02 can someone explain what is that light reflecting out of ground
7:02
@@Usaisshittyit looks very similar to the sun reflecting off of rivers and small lakes from about 20 seconds earlier
@@Usaisshitty Have you ever looked at the sea, a river or a lake glistening from the reflected light of the sun?
@@Usaisshitty The entire Globe that's in the frame is reflecting light, from the Sun... Are you looking at a cloud? Clouds are white, making them very reflective...
5:10 I can hear flat earthers ask: "Why does the ISS fly a curve? This doesn't make sense! IT'S FAKE!!" 😁
"The UK isn't really known for it's good weather", he says in a video posted on the hottest UK day of 2023 😆
So far no glitch found in the matrix!
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away."
-Philip K. Dick
Did he say/write this? Amazing, as he's one of those authors who gave us Total Recall (I read "Do Robots Dream of Electric Sheep", but the story on which the films were based I haven't - don't like his very dark and depressing world-building).
It would be literally 100 times easier and cheaper to just put the ISS in orbit than to fake all these images. I know this argument doesn't convince FEs because they think the ISS is just impossible but damn, they do think the government is just incredibly powerful.
The government which FE depicts is such omnipotent and interplanetary, that it is begging the question. Why we even need to go against it? It is the globalization which we dream of. Humanity under one flag.
Yet, at the same time, can't seem to remove "harness wires" from the astronauts inside the ISS. Or "bubbles" from video of EVAs.
The logical inconsistencies are amazing with flerfs.
Finding that face in those few frames, downloading the RAW file and enhancing it was brilliant. As many have said, the sheer huge volume of data and images going back to the start of space exploration is staggering. Not only are there hundreds of thousands of images, going back way before the days of cgi (something I will never understand about FErs - they can't imagine outside their own timeline). They're are also thousands of written records going back right to the start. Of course some of it is incredible reading but there are countless documents over a 60 year period that would make the dullest reading. It is idiotic to think that this huge volume of data has been created to fool the masses.
Exactly the first thing that came to my mind: They can CGI time lapses of earth including all visible weather details, forest fires and whatever. But then they fail on hiding "harnesses" of astronauts in almost every video FLERFS try to pick apart... futily biting at compression artifacts and transmission errors. Would be ridiculous if it wasn't so sad.
Worse, why even use harnesses, wires, and hairspray if they can just cgi it all? Why even fill the pool with water?
Fer's are hysterically dumb.
Dear flat earthers out there: I am right now working my ass off with a team of 12 (!) to get a short cgi-sequence for a game done; if I could only show you the amount of work it takes to get just a few frames (not even a second) right, to have lightning, shades, motion, angles, and perspective just half way decent! Even if you had a million guys work for you, this wouldn't change a thing, because the next guy would have to wait for that one frame you are working on, before he can do his task on just the same frame. It is tedious, you can make many obvious mistakes, and you need a shit ton of data space! A sequence of many many hours of uninterrupted video stream is impossible to do in just a few days!!!
Brilliant, Dave!!!
(As the Concept Designer for 'Gravity', working with probably the biggest CGI company in the world, I know that that sequence would have taken years to produce...)
We had a lot of help from NASA, who always seemed to have operatives wearing dark glasses, even in London, and somehow would only talk to their wrists... don't know what that was about?
PS... with regard to 'Gravity'. I know that there are several things technically wrong (myself having been an Aerospace Engineer in the long distant past before becoming a film Production Designer), such as airlocks opening outwards, seeing debris moving at 15,000 mph (really?), the fact that the Shuttle was taken out of commission while we were too far down the line, and maybe a couple of other things...
I tried to argue with the Director (Alfonso Cuaron... I had worked with him previously on 'Children of Men' to solve a few problems, hence my strange title on that as 'Vehicle Designer' or some such... lovely man!).
His answer, which I will always cherish... "I make films for audiences, and if they have to stop and think at some point because of an obscure point... I will have lost them...)
PPS my lurcher says Spaniels are OK!
Thats great,out of curiosity is there anywhere we could see your works?
Always cool when someone who was involved with something mentioned in passing in the video casually drops in to provide some context and background story. It's like a visitation from the gods, except without the religious aspect. Thanks for the cool story. 😄
@@EvenTheDogAgrees Thanks for that... and even my dog agrees!
@@АндроидБишоп Jon Bunker on Google... imdb best?
Dave, I feel the need to tell you something, even if you never see this.
Being geographically challenged, I generally cant tell apart the landmasses beneath the ISS.
So seeing you point each one out in reference to a map, gave me a whole new perspective on all of these ISS timelapses.
The ability to see right across from Germany to Italy, while still having the resolution to see the shimmers of light from the rivers of France, the sheer distance the ISS goes in such a short time, the fact you could even identify the specific astronaut who wanted to take a timelapse of the ISS flying over his own home country... This video actually made me full-on emotional. I was tearing up by the end and couldn't even laugh at you dissing the flat earthers. This video just made me even more appreciative of the marvel of engineering that is the ISS. Thank you.
Getting the weather right in real time is indeed excellent evidence.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate how smoothly Dave segues into promoting his sponsors!
That’s a talent in itself.
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I've never heard the phrase "I've cottoned on to it..." is that a misprint, or is it a regional thing?
And I appreciate Dave's flawless segue to sponsors as well! Smooth operator
@@joerichardson4325 The comment you're referring to doesn't seem to be here anymore so I don't know the context, but "I've cottoned on to..." is used in the UK and it means "I've now realised/I've now understood" (don't know how regional it is so can't answer that but I believe everyone in the UK at least would know this phrase) .
@@Pixietoria
Thank you! As that was about 5 mos ago, I don't recall the comment I was referring to either. And in viewing several of the Flat Earth debunking channels/vids, I'm noticing a lot of folks are from UK, Australia, etc where the dialogue can be country/region specific. As I'm in the southeast area of the US, we have our fair share of speech issues! "Hey yaw'll...I'm fixin' tah go tah tha' stow' an pick up a few thangs...yaw'll need ennythang?" (I don't know if the translate button will fix that for you!!!) 😁
My late Dad grew up on a cotton growing farm in West Tennessee, and I'd never heard anyone on that side of the family use that phrase, so naturally I was curious of it's origins, etc.
Again...thanks for responding and teaching me something new and cultural! Take care!
@@joerichardson4325 Funnily enough I wouldn't have an issue interpreting what you said there... but don't forget that US TV and films are shown all over the world so we get used to the way you speak probably more than you guys might recognise the way the rest of us in various other areas might speak and idioms we use. ;)
Glad to be of help. I had no idea it wasn't a known phrase wider than our shores. But yup it's used ALL the time here. So now you've cottoned on to that (HA HA) you can use it yourself! :)
@@joerichardson4325 (tbf, I'm now middle aged and I don't understand a hell of a lot of the things people twenty years younger than me say in my own country. Words, phrases, sometimes I'm like WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? and get laughed at :D
Language is crazy how it changes and the language differences you find within the same language.)
I was watching TH-cam on my dad’s account at his house, and this was so thoroughly researched and well written and executed that I had to look this video up on my account to leave a comment of appreciation and a second like. Wow. This is truly excellent work.
P.S. I couldn’t help but laugh, and it’s 3:30am currently. This is so absurd.
Wow, that's some amazing sleuthing. I loved the reveal of Sultan AlNeyadi from the raw file.
3:09 flat earthers will say that’s fake because there’s no rainbows and leprechauns or Welsh dragons.
Wales should totally make a Welsh dragon that can be seen from space.
Whenever I watch flat-earth debunking videos, I constantly feel as though the debunk isn't being explained/backed up enough... but this guy never leaves any loose ends or un-addressed possible arguments. (at least none that I can think of) It's so satisfying.
So very entertaining to view your videos, thank you for all the effort you put into this and all of your videos.
Putting all of this together must have taken such a long time.
Cannot wait for the Flat Earthers to spout some ridiculous claims.
They are quiet so far ....
@@DaveMcKeegan Spotted at least two, but as usual they haven't contributed anything worth paying any attention to.
@@DaveMcKeegan Hold on, I need to know if Im doing my flat argument to blend in properly:
"Nuh-Uh"
Did I do it right?
@@rezokaryou forgot "yeah, whatever" and "oh please".
@@FutureWorldX "It just doesn't make any sense to me!" and "words words words, it's just words"
It's just a proof that the NASA ISS Wires Removal CGI team is underpaid, while the NASA Obscure Photos team has some great talent 😉
First off, its surreal how this stuff happens. How we have people in space orbiting and satellite images. Just a great testament to what we have achieved in such a short period of time.
Second of all, its absolutely hilarious. Dave basically says "Here flat earthers, here's why you're idea is ridiculous!" but he doesn't stop there. "Oh, by the way, let me just go above and beyond to show you even more reasons why." and then continues "but wait! There's more!" and tops it off with "now just let me take this idea and run with it for miles and miles and miles" hahaha.
Great video! It truly blows me away how a person could honestly think Earth was flat despite the overwhelmingly insane amount of evidence that its not. At this point, I'm convinced that none of them actually believe it, its just a cry for attention.
This is so excellent, Dave. Especially the light adjustment showing Al Neyadi's face so perfectly. A true slam dunk.
I bet you anything that in the near future that flat earthers will move the excuse from "it's CGI" to "A.I. did it"
Majestic. This video starts well, escalates to mid point excellence then sails through the stratosphere for a standing ovation finish. Without seeming to break a sweat.
It amazes me how basic observations that happen on a globe cant happen on a flat earth yet they still "pursue truth"
This is exactly the method that I was thinking I would use if I ever met a flat earther - thankfully I haven't ever met one... my plan is to use a cheap SDR with a patch antenna to directly receive and decode weather images from weather satellites such as GOES and NOAA... because you personally have to aim the antenna, and you must use the orbital ephemeris to know where to point the antenna. Then once you've decoded the image, simply look up at the sky and see if the weather overhead matches the image you have (generally you should have no trouble finding your location in the image if there is at least some area not covered by clouds). And this works no matter where on the planet you are... so the fact that you used orbital information to locate the satellite and aim the antenna says volumes about what kind of object you are standing on.
That won't work. As soon as you start unpacking your gear and antenna, they will run away screaming in fear.
@@OrbitalCookie Fine then... I'll even provide the tinfoil.
That part about seeing the astronaut brought all of it into an insane level of detail that I didn’t even know existed in these images. YOU CAN SEE HIM he’s there but only there if you edit the photo. Way to much for an agency who should be spending there time developing missions to space like Artemis 2 and Dragonfly to make in the short time period that flat earther’s claim they did
now THAT is what I call " do your own research" !
excellent video Dave, very informative. 👍
You do really good work. I appreciate your videos.
Your style, your presentation and your hard work is evident!
Allow me to offer what seems to be the standard flat earther response.
"NUH UH! MAGIC CGI MEAN IT'S NOT REAL! ALL EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY DOESN'T COUNT! LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
Wow. This is one of your best videos yet. You're hitting ideas for evidence I've thought up myself and going into WAAY better detail. I've thought about using the matching clouds as well, but instead, I just waited for the ISS to fly over my house via the live feed and just looked up. Actually, using the live feed would make for great INSTANT comparison of clouds.
I'm still waiting for a flattie to say "It's all CGI. See? We did our own version!" I suspect I'll be waiting a while.
Flat Earthers can't even CGI their own flat Earth, I doubt they are going to manage the globe 🤣
@@DaveMcKeegan They're still struggling to get everything lined up, like you.
Since Flerfs clearly don’t understand spaceflight, You can hardly expect them to understand CGI.
Dave, my deepest RESPECT for your work. Besides all the details on HOW this would have been done if it where CGI, there is always the good old WHY. Why would they put this much "effort" just to freely publish loads and loads of insanely big images just for people to see. From Argentina, keep up the awesome job.
The flerfs have a highly inflated sense of their importance to NASA; the folks at NASA are waaaay too busy to care what such a sad group thinks about them. Except to have a good laugh over drinks.
Very nice Dave, the ISS strikes again! The livestream also shows hurricanes/tornadoes, wildfires, volcanoes, moon phases, the comings and goings of visiting vehicles and probably more I'm forgetting and they stream all this on the internet 24 hours a day for some unknown reason. ¦¦+¦¦
I always like the segues into the ad reads you do Dave, love your work.
Beautiful video, well done Dave. And with the cherry on top - the astronaut picture in reflection.
Btw, could we (you really, lol) go step even further, and take something like Himawari satelite last minute photo, and compare it with the view outside of your house? This of course might require some timing with more distinguish clouds situations in various times of day, but the method and of course your results, might become persuasive enough for at least some flat earthers to go out and see that by themselves. And then, consequently, if they simply cannot catch the Himawari sending the "wrong rendering" down to Earth, which doesn't match what they see when they look up, and we all know they cannot, they MIGHT get convinced that this whole flatearth business is just one big bullshit.
I thought of the same and the Flat Earther response, "High altitude balloons are transmitting weather data..." (no evidence or understanding of the ridiculous logistics and secrecy that would take to accomplish that).
@@RodCornholio Flerfs should ask those who actually deal with balloons of all sorts about "steering" them on a perfect path that can be predicted months in advance. But I guess they would never do, because it would burst their balloon. Oh, wait, their bubble …
@@c.augustin Right. I know enough (about the subject) to know the idea is outlandish.
Posting this because I hear it helps the algorithm. And just wanted to say thanks for all your efforts. Amazing detail.
I can't want for a flerf to claim this doesn't match because the map is upside-down compared to the time lapse. Or that they can't see the black line boards in the time lapse.
They will just see this and say they did this perfectly but all the errors in the iss footage is from laziness 😂
Yup, it's the apparent dichotomy of perfect CGI with "mistakes" included to let conspiracy folk know the "truth."
Your best one yet, especially the final segment. "an insane level of detail for a CGI dept to go into" 😂
The last 5 minutes were top-notch in mentioning Sultan.. keep on doing great work debunking the flat earth idiots!
@DaveMcKeegan, do you have an info on the camera that was used? Flerf was concerned about the shutterspeed not being fast enough, and not seeing 'chemtrails' from the ISS.
I believe you can see the info on the site where you can download the images
I’m not a globe believer. I’m a globe certain-er. Outside of mathematics, the fact that we live on a globe comes with such a breadth of evidence that it doesn’t require belief. It’s requires not to be crazy or in a psychological state of susceptibility
I’m sure you’re just being jokeful, but people tend to think that “believing” something is an issue, when it’s not. You can believe in something based on the evidence pointing in that direction. The issue is not actually a belief, but faith.
Having faith is a type of belief. It means “believing without demanding evidence for it”. Although faith has its uses (e.g. notary public: when you just trust the authenticity of a certified document), that’s not adequate for scientific inquiry.
So, as long as you believe the Earth is spherical based on the evidence that supports that claim, there’s nothing wrong with the term.
The sad part is, all this was hashed out centuries ago. The preponderance of evidence already determined the facts about the shape of the earth among other aspects of the universe we live in and flerfs try to ignore the mountain range of evidence that not only supports the shape of the earth but how it has its shape, how tides act the way they do, how eclipses work, and so many other things that are interconnected and point at one specific piece of evidence and claim it doesn't fit so therefore the mountain range of evidence is invalid.
@@rafaelmarangoni Now I'm mildly curious why someone edited the Wikipedia article on fanaticism to claim flat earthers are "cranks", not fanatics, without bothering to make any definition for crank. Anyhow, I agree that there's a significant distinction between belief supported by evidence, belief as yet untested, and belief despite evidence. It's a bit depressing how flat earthers tend to build their claims not based on the topic at hand but irrational belief that someone else has to be wrong.
The thing about CG is that the images by default are very clean. We have to put in extra "crappiness" just to make them feel at all real. Lens flares, dirt, light contamination, etc. And the images for multi-million dollar Hollywood films still look much cleaner than NASA's. No one would go to the lengths of constructing a detailed room and an animated character for a reflection that few people would ever see.
The biggest difference between flat earthers and scientists is that scientists look for evidence to disprove their claim while flat earthers look for evidence to prove theirs.
What a joke - you claim a magic force field but you dont even have a consistent natural phenomenon, the first step in a scientific proof. Most of you clowns dont even realise your high priests in lab coats bailed on "your mass attracting mass Newtonian shyt" a 107 years ago. You make claims that contradict Natural Law - that would be a a near perfect vacuum (space claim) adjacent gas pressure. (atmos). This claim is complete shyte backed up by zero evidence except fables from an institution called NASA receiving 65 million a day to do 'trapeezze' acts and test out hair spray. What? Gravity is the barrier? Gravity aint a force, gold fish --- NEXT !!!
@@dunningkruger-o1xWhere is your model then?
@@Tom-jw7ii [ Where is your model then? ] - falsification does not requires substitution --- NEXT!
@@dunningkruger-o1x You’re right; that would be like asking the Nigerian prince to just take some gold out of the box to pay for the shipping fee.
A stellar video as always, I love how meticulous you use camera know-how or thorough research to present very profound proof. At times, it seems like faking space station would be harder than actually making one lol.
But I just have to give a quick shoutout, seeing these rivers and lakes in France light up like silver in the sunlight, that's just marvelous! I wish I could see that from the ISS myself. That will never happen, but I know, if I could go there, I would do nothing but look at the earth below gliding past. How could something so beautiful ever become boring?
Conspiracy people think CGI is magic. You just press a couple of buttons and the computer instantly creates the image.
I tried on a few occasions to engage with a flat earther.
To start with I pointed out how ridiculous the notion was but then got a barrage of foul mouthed abuse. I then offered to have a civilized conversation on the subject but it all went very quiet after that.
Why is this?
Good question. I've found flatEarthers to be full of fear, rather than genuine confidence. They will dodge questions, lash out in anger, and scoot when cornered. They don't follow evidence to a conclusion, but instead they desperately seek evidence to support a pre-selected conclusion on which they've staked their emotional well-being. As for the _"why"_ ...who knows? It could be paranoia, a reversion to childhood, tribalism or extreme stupidity.
Love it!! Amazing the amount of effort you put in to price something that has been known for hundreds of years. Thank you for your awesome content.
Impressive work. Especially the section with the astronaut.
Flerfers don't understand CGI....I read one saying that this stuff can be done in BLENDER...BLENDER?!
Dude...it would take literally THOUSANDS of artists to pull these off...perfectly...pixel by pixel....
Each image would take hours...days...and close communication with comparing images with every image....and omg the cpu that would be required.
~ Comupter art major.
"AI can do it in seconds!"
The AI: hands have ten fingers!
So in order for this to be CGI (and that being the most perfect CGI ever), NASA would have to be spending an MCU movie sized budget and work load almost DAILY.... so $400m/ day x 365 days = $146b... well within the spending limits of their $23b a year budget...😂
I came here just to see the ISS moving over the clouds and the shadows they cast over the ground, mesmerizing. Dave, you tricked us into watching incredible footage from our awesome planet again.
Nerdgasmic video. Thank you for poring over the data and making this. I keep saying it, but I'll say it again: even without flat earthers, it's good for the general public to be aware of all this, the science, the public resources, etc.
It's also good to share! Having recently bought an 8'' dobsonian telescope, showing people Saturn, Jupiter and everything else available (the Pleiades, the Andromeda galaxy, etc.) is one of my favorite things. Thanks for sharing, Dave!
Pretty damn thorough once again, Dave. This is a masterclass in globe proofs.
Not to mention the CGI people have been around since the late 40's when the first V2 rockets started photographing the earth from low orbit, so they are probably just a bit tired.
This is what you get when you actually do your own research. :)
Have any flat Earth people tried to do CGI to re-create such images? I'd love to see that...
Well, it’s possible with start of the art hardware and software, several weeks to create the models, and maybe an hour to render each frame.
Of course, you’d need the weather data from one of the geostationary satellites, located 40,000 km above the equator, to feed in for the cloud modelling.
So, for a flat earther, who doesn’t believe that satellites are real, that’s a big ask, even with such hardware and software: and the technical skill and experience to set it all up in the first place. Which they do not, and could never, have.
I can’t believe that arguing with flat earthers is still a career.
Flat head: "All this stuff looks really convincing and like it's not debunkable - but is is, because it's all fake!"
Excellent video, Dave. Since this one deals with weather, I've often wondered how flat earthers explain the Coriolis effect and how hurricanes and typhoons rotate in opposite directions above and below the Equator on a flat earth.
They can't, it's one of the many things that we can see and observe ourselves that flat earth theory cannot explain. The planet having 2 hemispheres is a fundamental part of it being round, and every phenomenon that is caused by that is a thorn in the side of flat earth theory, along with the axis tilt of 23.5 degrees that gives us our seasons. Flat earthers also forget that when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, it's winter in the southern hemisphere, and again, that cannot happen on a flat earth, and yet we all know it does happen.
@@TheIrvy Dont mention polaris, its taboo in their community because it alone debunks the flat earth.
@@rezokar Lol, there's a long, long list of things that, on their own, completely disprove the flat earth theory.
As aircraft seem to be overflying my house recently, I have started looking at live flight radar.
Watching planes follow great circles in the northern and southern hemisphere when aviation fuel is a major cost to the aviation industry is a real problem for flerfs to explain.
To create all those time-lapse videos in such details would require an extremely complex setup with lots of high-tech equipment... Something like a space station in orbit. 🤔
Wait until they find out the universe is flat...
This is probably my new favourite video of yours. Sometimes, as a fun little though experiment I try to put myself in the head of a flerfer playing devil’s advocate to think of why they claim everything is faked. I cannot think of a single thing with this video, there is only the same old baseless “it’s still cgi” claims they make. 10/10.
Sorry to be that guy, but I need to remind everyone here that proper research requires using the most blurry and highly compressed photographs with extremely high number of artefacts.
S**t sorry I forgot about that 😂
@@DaveMcKeegan being serious now - great job once again!
Then film it with a shitty phone in one hand while pointing at the screen with the other. 😆
The snark on the flat image not stitching, has me in stiches. Kind of makes the flat earth round doesn't it.
I just love the intelligent ideas Dave has, and his attention to minute details, which repeatedly shatter the Flat Earth Beleivers protests and strange ideas about the CGI renderings happening Non-stop.
I say this to them when they pop into the live ISS stream I often visit over my day; Show me a comparable CGI Video that looks just like this. CGI still looks unreal, yes? Usually, it's 'more real than real' with too much color, with unrealistic perspective, with the outlines or edges of bodies being not quite right when seen against any distant background, such as a distant sky. Compare the ISS images and videos to Avatar2 or Gravity; they do NOT at ALL look real compared to ISS' images.
Thanks for your careful research and work to bring us these facts, Dave!
I have to say, that Gravity looked pretty convincing to me. The only obvious mistake that I remember is when she is floating away from the spacecraft, connected with a cord to it, and the cord pulls straight and doesn't bounce back.
Then again, it is a long time ago I saw.
Of course, Avatar is about a fictional world that is supposed to look alien.
@@renedekker9806 It is a rather unclear scene at best. I think they had an idea of how it would work, and one example is if they were rotating at a decent rate, but it's unconvincing to try to reconcile the drama with physics. They also had quite unrealistic distances between craft.
Isn’t there a Neil DeGrasse Tyson video where he talks about the science of Gravity and it comes out quite well? One of the most ‘correct’ sci-fi films ever, I believe. Remembering that it is still a film, and therefore narrative is more important than precision.
@@lidbass There are several floating about. This particular one relates to why he tweeted "When Clooney releases Bullock's tether, he drifts away. In zero-G a single tug brings them together." There's a multitude of more or less fantastical ideas about, but the script, final movie and physics just don't say the same things. The script explanation would only have worked with a highly elastic tether, but the scene showed the character stopping and later floating away, not the tether snapping back.
Neil did quite enjoy the movie, but also expressed his curiosity about what appeared incongruent - and some of it is.
@@0LoneTech Thanks for that!
DAVE, I was listening on my Baofeng UV5 radio to Sultan chatting to a Ham radio station on Earth at the same time as this time lapse was going on. See if you can get a recording to confirm Sultan was on the ISS during this time. There will be a record somewhere of the radio contact.
Jokes on you, weather’s a part of the ploy!
Then why are we laughing at you?
@@TheIrvy because I’m an idiot!
RIP flat earth… We’ve just attended the funeral…
I also want to understand how they got "CGI" from the early sixties, when a computer display from the 1960s was a bank of light bulbs.
I've always felt that a live stream from a camera on the ISS or some other satellite that captures a volcano eruption would be a good CGI counter-argument.
Of course volcanos have been caught on ISS cameras, but the footage probably hadn't been made until at least several hours after the fact.
Didn’t the ISS have a livestream at some point? Cause I have a memory of it having one.
We have live stream from the Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption in 2022. It was taken by the Japanese Himawari 8 weather satellite.
@@AtelierGod They do, but they don't catch everything that happens for obvious reasons, basically i think he means it would be good if a flat earther was watching it and saw an eruption in real time from the ISS and knew it was about to happen down here on the surface, CGI can't be done in real time, so they would be screwed on their CGI go to and prove to the without a doubt that the ISS and all the rest is actually real.
@@AtelierGod it still does ...it just changed sponsorship and feed URL at some point as far as I remember
They live-stream a lot from space, like Dragon docking or Space-X launches. I suspect the clouds match the weather perfectly.
From some things I've noticed by dealing with flat earth believers, they don't care if they're wrong, they often know they are, they care that they can get a rise out of people, and in some cases get paid for it. This isn't all flat earthers, some genuinely don't know better, but I've dealt with more who knew flat out the earth was spherical and purposefully latched onto only things that would help support that ideal, in a couple cases, they did it specifically to catch out people who genuinely believed the earth was flat. Like baiting them, because it's easier to get people to admit certain things when they think they're talking to someone with a like minded perspective. As example, say you believe in psychic abilities, and watch the difference as compared to if you say you don't. Or certain politics. This is of course because humans have a sort of desire to fit in more than stand out in the majority. So it's easier to coax out who the flerfs are when you act like a contrarian. Nice pictures though, it's amazing that people would think cgi could reproduce those images so faithfully in such a short amount of time and without an enormous budget. Cgi can get so expensive, not to mention how much data would be used and needed for drives to accomplish even short segments as compared to what is available. Anyway, sometimes, when you encounter a flat earth believer, they may be someone who doesn't genuinely believe that, but sadly, there are a lot of people who do.
Flerfers seem to fall into a couple of different categories. The grifters looking to make a quick buck, the trolls in on the joke, and the mentally ill who don't realize their the sucker for the first two.