regardless of your thoughts on the menendez brothers, i think we can all agree it’s insane that people like casey anthony can walk free while they’re still locked up.
Yessssss, Casey Anthony….why isn’t she held accountable? The videos I’ve seen of her shows a woman disassociated from her actions. Very weird speech, mannerisms even her body language. Very sad
Seriously ? Casey was also a product of abuse. And she adored Caylee the videos showed that. Her mother Cindy was an absolute control freak. George was a POS I read all the 20,000 doc dumps , videos etc. Casey was as much of a victim as was Caylee.
The trunk that smelt like a dead body but Casey’s mom said it was old pizza . Lie after lie after lie. All Casey did was lie and she was found not guilty. I know there is special place in hell for Casey. Her daughter would be 19 .
abuse causes personality disorder. In order for children to be mistreated and abused for two decades, a lot of people have to look the other way. Teachers, trainers, the close environment ...American society is therefore partly to blame for the murders.
My husband and I were talking about this case, I was only 12 when it happened, but when at that age once I heard they were being SA I felt they should have been let go, this continues to happen to children and it is so sick how the mothers let it happen because of the financial backing the father has. And if they were girls, I feel they would have had books, made for TV movies, be advocates and heros, and it's pretty sad that we don't protect our boys the same way we would protect our girls. Their mother should have done something to protect her boys 😞
Mother should be jailed for knowing, aiding and abetting. Why was she not charged. And very true, if they were girls... It would be different. And that's WRONG. That's unlawful, to treat boys differently to girls
@@Fadingroses19Most. Because there are some amazing people in this field. People who genuinely care and will protect their clients. They even become like family to the artist or band.
I'm old enough to have watched their trial in real time and it was... everywhere. Bigger than the Depp/Heard trial. And when I watched those boys give testimony about the abuse they suffered at the hands of their monster of a "father", I believed every... single...word. I was absolutely gutted that they were found guilty. I hope like crazy that the interest in this case is growing enough and if people talk about it enough, they may be forced to consider another trial. One where the evidence of abuse isn't covered up.
Me too. I wonder how people can be so cold to say they lied. It would be even more painful to admit to the whole world the sexual abuse endured… was WILD how people reacted
I think the jury simply didn't like them. They saw the brothers as rich brats who had it all and yet still greedy for more. Majority of the jurors are probably working class, and as working class we've always had this prejudice/animosity towards the rich and that doesn't help the brothers' case at all.
@@hepianesti4269 When a person is being considered to be a juror in a massive criminal trial, both the Prosecutor and the Defence get to question these people, because they have ways of exposing any prejudices or animosity by the questions they ask. So anyone who may show even a hint of not being fully impartial, will be automatically dismissed. So I don't think you need to worry about the legitimacy of the jury. It's more likely that YOU are the one who simply didn't like them.
Nope, it has already exposed that the jury that found them guilty were men who refused to believe that boys could be sexually abused by their own father, plus any evidence of sexual abuse was not allowed in court. @@221BBakerStreet
So everyone in it deserves to be killed? No, just like these two shouldn't have been convicted based on how likeable or unlikable they were. Neither one is justice, condemning everyone in the music business based on a few stories you've heard in your life is just as wrong as those two getting convicted based on some popularity contest nonsense. People need to quit thinking with their emotions, especially when the subject is justice, take it from someone who watched the person who murdered my best friend get a walk from a jury who let their emotions do their thinking for them.
@@dukecraig2402 I’m sorry your best friend was murdered. I can’t imagine what it’s done to you seeing the killer go free. I hope you are able to find peace. I believe the country is getting fed up with the chaos that’s been unleashed on our society and there will be a hard reverse of course, which will include a return to law and order. Take care of yourself.
Those two men need therapy not punishment. I feel like the Menendez brothers should have gotten institutionalized rather than being incarcerated. Incarceration can cause further psychological damage to abuse victims.
@joan-lisa-smith I know, I just feel that incarceration isn’t beneficial for them though. Even though they have had some positive experiences in prison, being locked up can further damage their mental state. Staying in a residential mental health facility or having an ankle monitor would have been more appropriate for the brothers.
Greed may have been somewhat of a factor, but I absolutely believe they were abused in horrific ways. Sounded like the father was a piece of human debris, and the mother was just as bad in other ways. Not to say they should have been murdered, of course, but it’s so indescribably vile to hear what they allegedly did to Erik and Lyle. I don’t know what I would have done had I suffered such abuse. Thank God my parents are incredibly loving and did everything they possibly could to help me. Makes me more thankful knowing some kids are so unfortunate to have worthless parents. No child should have to suffer like that, especially not at the hands of their parent/parents.
What else do you believe? You have no facts, weren't there, and didn't know a single person involved. But you're so sure that molestation occurred. Well understand this -- even if it did it doesn't give anyone the right to murder two people.
That whole sexual abuse stuff came out later, I actually don’t even believe it. These boys were spoiled, rotten, and didn’t respect anyone.!!! There is no new evidence, they belong just where they are!!!!
I believe they were molested. As far as the spending of the money, it’s not so difficult to believe. The amount they spent, though a lot to someone like me, wasn’t to them and what they were used to in their lifestyle. Yes, they killed their parents, that was never in dispute, but spending the money may have been a feeling of freedom. Freedom from abuse, freedom to do as they please, so with their lifestyle it’s spending money. Yes, they probably should have done some time for the crime, but manslaughter, not murder, not life. They have served more than enough time. The woman, my father’s last wife who he was divorcing because she was an alcoholic shot and killed him. Premeditated murder, said if she couldn’t have him nobody could. She wanted to meet him to talk and he unfortunately agreed. He was found that night in a ditch, never regained consciousness. She got life, prosecutor said she wouldn’t be out in less than 36 years, she served 14. This was 47 years ago, it took me 38 years to be able to talk about it. So I don’t take this stuff lightly, my stepfather abused me from ages 3-14. I personally haven’t found life to be very enjoyable, but I was lucky enough to have 3 kids who love me despite all my history of abuse and depression. If I’m standing up for the brothers, it means a lot.🤷🏻♀️
Have you watched the case? Not documentary the case where they provide proof and other witnesses. The jury wasnt allowed to know and after it was done THEN theh found out what happened and said the outcome would ha e been different had they known @historyiwitness5915
@@debbied9842I am so sorry for the ABUSE you went through. The devil comes to steal kill and destroy. Jesus came to save heal and restored God bless you and your family
So Gypsy Rose is free, with a truckload of evidence proving she was the mastermind behind the killing, and these two rot in prison despite severe sexual abuse? Hardly seems fair. Let them out. They’ve suffered enough.
This case is complicated in so many ways. But two things can be true. They could have been "brats" and cold hearted and cruel in their behavior to their parents and they could've been deeply traumatized by years of abuse. Erik was likely sexually abused for 12 years. Having learned a lot about SA and trauma it seems to me like there's a really good chance they disassociated in many ways and were emotionally detached from their parents, likely from the many years of abuse they suffered. And they were also likely emotionally stunted. They were also used to their parents showing their "love" with money.
So they disassociated from the abuse, but not the money, not the lifestyle not the luxury, not what it brought them who kills their parents. Either way there is never any excuse to kill your parents they were grown enough to get away from them and never deal with them again, or grown enough to go to the police and report it why do you get to get away with killing them? Did you kill your offender as a victim of S A??
@@Gemma-e7ctoo many of you still exist. And there always will be. Thank God it is becoming a minority. The harshest critics are usually those who live in a disassociated shame coma ...
The statement meant that if they were girls, people would be more likely to believe they were abused. The man who said that is a famous defense attorney, and he believes the brothers were abused.
@@blu48: Abused or not, they were not justified in committing the murders. They were young, strong and healthy. One was 21 years old and the other 18, meaning they could've walked out of their home at any time. They were monsters.
@@janabell3810: Precisely. For whatever reason, they desired to murder their parents. I´ve no idea if they truly believed they'd get away with it or not, but they wanted to murder them bad enough to take that chance rather than just leave, which they were both old enough and capable of doing.
Corey Feldman is absolutely right. The double standard is staggering. It's absolutely okay to mock abuse victims as long as it's a boy, not a girl. I'm a guy who was abused by a classmate back when I was a freshman in high school nearly 30 years ago. I didn't tell anyone for almost 20 years. After it had occurred, rumours flew that we had hooked up, but small town and smaller mines let everyone to draw their own conclusions. It took a toll on my self-esteem and I nearly did off of this planet numerous times because of it.
More needs to be done to support male SA victims. It's statistically proven less than 1% of male victims come forward. I understand how emasculating the ordeal is and how much more it hurts the boys vs girls. I was SA for years, but I'm female and all I felt was violated and worthless, but boys feel it so much more deeply. It needs to be talked about more for the boys/men. So the male population feels heard and understood. Maybe if they felt more comfortable knowing they aren't alone, they can open up about it. I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm still dealing with PTSD and trauma, but I'll be ok. I'm too old to worry about it ruining me now. Lol I hope you found peace within yourself, and know that doesn't make or break the person you are meant to be. It doesn't define who you are and it won't take away from the strong male inside of you. The person (s) that did this to you are the cowards. They are the weak ones. Not you.
A Menudo band member has come forward saying he was sexually assaulted by the father when he was 14. He’s very believable and they have court proceedings in progress looking at this. There was a documentary on Peacock called Menudo and Mendez. Very eye opening.
They Should NEVER have gone to Prison NEVER. Their Father Not Only SB them . He Beat them and Made them do Awful things . Their Mother Knew what was going on AND Did NOTHING to help her Sons . They had NO Help from Anyone. I feel so sorry for them . They should be FREE. 🙏🙏🙏
"If the brothers were 2 sisters, they would not be in prison." Putting them in prison, they are victims all over again. I pray that they get to be released very soon✝️🙏🏼
Yeah, Lyle was so dumb for that! At least when Eric confessed to the counselor, it was out of grief and guilt. When Lyle bragged to his pen pal girlfriend, that was just out of arrogant grandiosity. He got that arrogant grandiosity from José.
I think he was just didn’t really think and he was younger and set up by the girl, and I think he was in denial as it’s a traumatic experience and he just didn’t really know how deal with it at that moment
@@themaggattack Yes I believe he was the one who would've ended up like Jose, but I think he changed a lot later in life while in prison. He matured and being away from that kind of abuse for a long time now gives you time to heal. It wasn't who he really was, it was what his father wanted him to be. He wanted him to be the "killer" figuratively and literally. Trump was raised that way too, according to Mary Trump's book about her uncle.
@@themaggattack. Can u tell me WHICH IS WHICH?? And who is the oldest, Lyle or Eric?? Is Lyle the one with a thin, prominent nose?? Thank u very much!!
@@KChelseaVenus Mary Trump should shut her mouth. She just wants fame and money at the expense of the Trump family. There are hundreds of stories out there of Donald Trump being kind and generous through the years, helping other people, and I just saw a TH-cam video by a guy who went to a private school with Donald,, and his dad died, and Donald Trumps dad came by their place and told the mom not to worry, he will pay for her sons schooling until he graduated. There are lots of people who have told their experiences, but the main stream media wants to make them look bad. It’s a crime how they smear that family. Look how well respected, and hard working all of the Trump kids are! Not coke heads and criminals like Hunter Biden. Donald Trump was well loved and respected until he changed from a Democrat to a Republican and since that day, the democrat regime has tried to destroy him. Anyway, please stop spreading rumors. It’s ridiculous and disgusting.
@@sleeplessdreamer1814 The girl who killed her overbearing mother, who made her believe that she was mentally sick. And kept her away from things that normal people, when she wasn’t really sick as her mom lie.
@@JuliaOBrien06 I do not know how I missed it. But I honestly did. I know about Munchausen by proxy having worked in mental health. I plan on looking up GRB and Dee Dee.
I don't know if the abuse is true or made up, but I 100% agree that if it was "the Menendez Sisters" they would have gotten off. The justice system is HORRIBLY sexist against men.
Thats called double jeopardy. Thats is beyond illegal. They can not get a new trial. There can just be laws passed to make them eligible for parole. Its so sad how little this country understands the law system
Those guys deserves a new trial because you watched a documentary and two TH-cam videos and you think you know more about the case than the autorithies involved 👍 thx God you not part of a jury
@@marion.4021The whole point of the story is that there is critical evidence that was hidden during the trial. Letters from the brothers as children to a cousin about the S.A. they suffered, famous children the father worked with that said he also raped and abused them, and pictures of the father groping his sons privates. Why not try looking into the new evidence first, before reverting back to the same old song and dance from 20 years ago...
@@Bringbacksuprafootwear Double Jepordy doesn't apply when convicted. If they were found innocent and let go, then more evidence that came out later that they were guilty, they couldn't be brought up on the same charges. However, they could be brought up on lesser charges that weren't part of the original trial.
@Bringbacksuprafootwear The ruling that I can think of that maybe you're confusing this with is the minors being given death and life without parole for their sentences is unconstitutional (Miller 2012) Each minor who was convicted is now entitled to a sentencing review trial to see if the sentence stands.
@@sheilaartis5728 no ma'am I don't know them or their parents. But I know plenty of people that have been abused and they didn't kill anyone. I'm sorry their lives have been such a horrible tragedy. But murder is not a given, it is a choice.
To take the lives of the very people who brought them into this world is sick. I know they claimed they were abusive, but it’s the way they went about it instead of getting help instead they murder them in cold blood then right away start going on a spending spree! Sadly, all they cared about was the money! Killing of your parents so horrifically is a coldness so cold it sends a shiver up the spine!
@@SouthernBelle67it’s people like you that stops children coming forward when abused. There is proof out there there were 3 cousins who they spoke to as friends an now a letter has been found that Erik wrote as a child ! Them parents did not deserve such beautiful boys . The parents were the monsters
Why was the one piece of furniture kept and taken to the Marina del Rey condo they bought with daddy’s money Erik’s bed that was supposedly his place of torture? And why did Lyle try to suborn perjury by asking his then GF to claim (falsely) that Jose had sexually attacked her? And why did they lie so many times about the days leading up to the murders? Jose was a terrible father. He was involved with Lyle’s plagiarism at Princeton and he got them off the felony hook after they were caught stealing from their friends’ homes. They were adults and could have left but then they wouldn’t have inherited millions. They knew Jose was going to cut them off and that’s why they hired the computer expert to make sure there was no new will on Jose’s PC. Erik claimed the last time Jose abused him was after a tennis tournament in Michigan in the week before the murders only Lyle later testified Jose came home later, not with them, so Erik lied.
Please remember that after they killed their parents they went out and spend their money that doesn’t look good I don’t believe they were abused that’s my instincts
@@laurabarber6697 Well luckily for you I have been and no I rarely talk about it but also if I had the capability to keep the SA to myself I damn well would also be able to keep murder I'm getting away with to myself too. There's also a huge stigma against murdering your parents btw.... Like no kidding if you can legit hide the Sa the murder would also be easy to hide because well hiding stuff already.
Sa was something DONE to him ...murder was something he DID ...the guilt and shame felt would be different one he was the victim and other perpetrator ...
@@charlenetime3486I am a therapist and we have a duty to report to the authorities if someone has committed a crime or intends to do so. The only wrong thing the therapist did was not report it to the police right away - especially if he was not aware of the sexual abuse
Therapists are Mandated Reporters. If someone has the intent, or has already committed a crime they have to report it. The greedy brats should have been reported, breaking into homes and what not, hating their parents cuz they wanted to live high off the hog on their parent’s dime, not work, they were grown they could’ve moved out.
The Chief District Attorney and Mrs. Clark failed with the O.J. trail. We saw the extent they were willing to go to get a conviction. The two brothers spent a lifetime being abused by their father and the mother did not protect them. The brothers had their lives ruined by the parents. A lifetime of accumulation of pain and hurtessed up their minds. Children minds became infected with hate,tears,heartbreak,and no hope of being safe by the DOJ . Their minds stayed locked in a world of desperation
I agree and they could have called the police Remember they went on a shopping spree with the expensive ROLEX WATCHES, after having killed their parents
Exactly right!! There is still greed at the root of this. My friend ran away too. I knew her as a homeless person. She asked me for a ride to her parents house one day. I was shocked. They lived in a beautiful mansion in Miami Beach. Spiral staircase and marble floors. Gold fixtures everywhere. But she was there for all of 4 minutes to pick up a few of her belongings and we left. She’d rather be homeless than put up with that or kill her parents!
@@gasmith7486Was she afraid that her parents would find her and kill her? Because the Menendez brothers were. José would 💯 have murdered them if they had tried to escape his control. He would have gone to any length to keep them from telling how he SA's them. And their mother would have backed her evil husband up, like she always did. That's why they felt their only escape was to murder their parents.
@@gasmith7486pls do not judge other people easily for what they chose other way different from your ideas. One thing is clear for me, you are right they were greedy, bug 30 years is ENOUGHT and now let them free!!
They could have told police ,They could have told a relative they trusted,They could have told one of their good friends,They could have told ANYBODY!THEY DID NOT .They are so guilty and not just a little either.THEY PLANNED IT !
They did tell their cousin. The cousin even witnessed some thing's way before the murders . The cousin cried his eyes out in court . Their Dad was a record executive / producer . He even raped a band member of the all young male group called Menudos . Their father had cops and lawyers in his pocket for years . There Father was like a DIDDY . Their father would had unalived them before giving them a chance to leave and tell police . Their Dad was a sick narcissist person. He was forcing one of the boys to try to become the world's greatest tennis player . How would YOU like to try to escape from a man evil as DIDDY ?
But they did tell their cousin and several other family members. He testified in the 1st trial, but not allowed to in the 2nd. The Court were so afraid of the idea of the reality of this, that they refused it to be planted into the minds of the average person. The boys saw this as their only way out of the pain and shame they suffered for years of their life!
The fact that you’re saying they could’ve told someone even after both brothers said that their father threatened to kill them if they told anyone IS INSANE. Stop trying to justify abuse and r@pe, it’s disgusting.
They were controlled by their billionaire DIDDY type of sick father . He had cops and lawyers in his pocket .He even raped a young male member of the band The Menudos .
For years I thought they were guilty. But with the new evidence it's clear that the Menendez brothers were abused and then wrongfully accused. I'm happy there is new evidence and angry that their father not only abused them, but also other members in his social circle. It's terrible and they should have not been ignored or punished. Did their mom deserve to die though? I'm just asking. I would think she would have tried to save them from the monster she married. If not then she was wrong too. Nobody deserves to be murdered. But those men were innocent boys who were at the mercy of evil in their home. I hope they do get exonerated. And I hope this story helps future generations. And if there is indeed abuse in your home, don't murder, ask for help. This may have been a last resort for them. It's truly sad and disturbing.
The mother knew and she pretended not to. All the while she actually HELPED the father to keep getting away with it!! She would make sure nobody went near the bedroom or the bathroon whenever the father had the boys back there, torturing them. She refused to believe Eric's aunt who tried to tell her. The parents smeared the young boys reputations by telling everyone they were just spoilt brats. They forced them to place CRUSHING value on success and they punished them to the degree of making them sick if they didn't succeed at everything. Lyle lost his hair at only 20 years old from the stress his father put on him to succeed at Princeton. Their parents pushed and chided them and deprived them until they acted out- and then they turned around and said "see how bad these boys are?" The parents gaslit and sabotaged them. On top of the horriffic SA & other physical abuse. The parents threatened to kill the boys if they ever tried to get away from the abuse or tell anyone about it again. Murdering their parents absolutely was the boy's final, desperate attempt at escaping their parent's relentless abuse and control.
No matter what abuse happened they both pulled the trigger that killed them.dont get that part twisted.no kind of abuse allows you to take the law into it own hands.period,point,blank
...as you can see by the fact that no one listened or believed them, the system failed them, what they did was their ONLY option. They saved others from being potential victims!!!!
If they didn’t go on a 700k shopping spree I would have looked at this case in a whole different light. Also they burglarized before the killings and that just shows lust for money. Furthermore, their arrogance and body language/ smile in the beginning days of the trial was just aweful. I just don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ the parents didn’t live to defend themselves
A simple note left behind is not evidence of innocents. They had ample opportunity to seek out other options available to them rather than murder. They were not prisoners in their home. They were free to go to parties, trips. They could have sought out counselors, police, friends. They could have moved out on their own. They had multiple options other than murder and they CHOOSE MURDER. Legally, having other options prevents them from making a claim that they had no other choice. When the did . . . guilty as charged. The brothers' defense team discovered a letter written by Erik to his cousin in 1988 opening up about his father's abuse. However, they only started talking about abuse after the killing. One letter now is not worthy of release.. These clowns were free, rich and went to parties, traveled. Told no one when they had ample opportunity to do so.
It wasn't just a note, two cousins testified that they were told of sexual abuse by the brothers. The female cousin was told by 8 year old Lyle, Andy was told by Erik somewhere around 10 or older, and the letter that was found was found in Andy's things by his mother after Andy committed suicide. Their doctor testified that injuries and issues they had were typical of sexual abuse victims, such as the injury to Eriks's throat and palate. And Lyle's abdominal muscle issue. The entire family believes they were being sexually abused as they and their cousins claimed. And now the Menudo boy has come and said Jose raped him. As Lyle said, people who barely even knew Jose were saying this was the worst human being they ever met, which is why there was not one character witness to testify in his favor, and why his own siblings testified to his abusive behavior that included screaming at 2 year old Erik to hold on to a bar as long as he could and to stop crying.
You make “moving out” sound simple. I was also abused, and brainwashed to believe that I had no options, that I couldn’t survive without my parents, and that I would be a total failure if I did anything other than what my parents demanded of me. Even so, almost 40 years later, my biggest regret in life is not telling my parents to go duck themselves and escaping with my life.
@@CH67guy1Exactly. Some people are brainwashed and groomed to think they are a prisoner and others aren't and just leave. These boys were groomed. So sorry you dealt with such evil!
Your parents did not have billionaire DIDDY power ! There Dad got away with raping a young male band member from that band The Menudos . He had cops and lawyers and " Yes" Men in his pockets .
Ne'er a truer word was uttered. They really came across as completely unlikeable brats. Immaturity and a lack of emotional intelligence was there downfall. I remember when I first heard about the abuse by their dad, and their mother's complicity, the idea was so improbable to me.
I thought they were lying too, until I watched the documentary on Prime. It's very believable, and I believe the SA happened....but I DON'T believe these brothers are angels, or in any way normal people, who should be let back in society! The first tell was when they lied about what happened. When they called the cops they should've told the truth up front. Then I might've believed they were redeemable.
There Dad had huge power . Like DIDDY power . He would had unalived his sons before allowing them to ever have a chance to reveal his evil secrets . He raped one of the young males from the band Menudo. Their mother allowed the abuse , she never tried to protect them or leave her husband and she abused the boys .
It was also a slaughtering of awful parents. They’ve paid their debt to society and they’re no threat to anyone. Let them live the rest of their lives in peace.
Oh, stop, they murdered their parents and are now paying the price, end of story. It seems every defendant now wants a free pass because they were sexually abused. I know several people who suffered being sexually abused, and they don't have murders on their minds!
These guys were definitely abused. When trauma such as this happens you're stunted in the age when the trauma started. They were immature for their ages and had been abused for years. I don't condone what they did but I do believe they were truly in fear and felt it was their parents or them. 2nd degree murder. I think they've done their time. Either vacate the conviction or retry the case with ALL the evidence including others who were molested by Jose Menendez.
Agree. As a SA victim myself I can tell you that you get locked into a certain age and maturity level. I was 5 when it started, almost 8 before it stopped. The age when you start learning coping skills. I still don't cope, just learned to pretend that certain things didn't happen. Thankful my abuser wasn't a family member. I was so young and didn't know how to tell my parents. When I did, it's like a light bulb turned on. Parents said my personality and behavior changed drastically around that time. Family has always been there for me- I cannot imagine what these 2 went through with zero support. Enough is enough. They need out or a new trial.
Every time they left that house to play tennis or go shopping or whatever,they chose to drive back there when they could have at their age very easily found a secure place to stay and then went to the police. They had a large extended family they could have stayed with. They wanted the money.
@@akosua8779 True. And as bad as it was for me, I wouldn't have been able to commit murder. I've always been satisfied just hurting myself, as well as blaming myself. Years of therapy and I see that many SA survivors have the same line of thinking as mine. The only people who really knew what went on in the Menendez household were the 4 that lived there. 2 are gone. The other 2 are paying the price. I don't honestly know the correct answer to this, truth be told. Just feel like there was too much suffering, however it came about
I kind of remember this when it was hot, right around the OJ drama, and I gotta say-the spin is SO crazy! Back in the early '90's it was all about their flippant attitudes and their blatant and disgusting disregard for the value of money, and frankly, the life of their parents. They were always SO arrogant. Never once did they pull on any of America's heartstrings. Instead, they ran around blowing Daddy's money faster than we could say "Bob's your uncle". Only now has this story turned from one of severe greed and pure evil towards one of secrets, abuse and pity. And, while they truly could have been sexually abused, I feel like John Q. Public is missing the point - we do not blow the heads off ANY abuser in this country!! Our law is not "An eye for an eye". Normal people are law abiding, even when sexual abuse has taken over their entire lives. They turn to trusted sources, seek help from Drs and therapists, and report abuse to authorities. Civilized society isn't vengeful and causing bloody carnage. While rape and sexual abuse is taken much more seriously than 30 yrs ago, it's always been an appalling and heart wrenching crime. I do believe the brothers would have been taken seriously by authorities. What this case was about was GREED. The will. We saw two entitled, rich, pompous silver spooned , vile, cold hearted greedy brothers who only cared about inheriting their father's enormous fortune, and eliminating the other hurdle- their mother! Knowing about the sexual abuse moreso than I heard about it 30 years ago-would that change my opinion about them and the case?? No. I never saw two victims or grieving sons, repentant heartbroken brothers --it was a story about two psychopathic narcissistic sociopaths whose greed took over I have no doubt that the Netflix show sheds light onto horrible abuses the brothers endured but it won't change the fact that they were consumed by greed. They only cared about $. They committed very violent, gruesome crimes against their own blood. Let's not forget that. And mentally stable, healthy adults do not brutally murder their parents. And especially not in so grotesque a manner! Who blows their fathers brains across a room, and takes their mommy's kneecaps and face out??? Abuse or no abuse, they are guilty of brutally murdering their parents. Period
Bull 💩 ! Their Dad had billionaire power like DIDDY ! He even raped a young male band member from the band The Menudos . He had cops and lawyers in his evil pockets .
There were letters from them as children to their cousin asking for help about the abuse they were enduring, other victims have come forward about the abuse they experienced by the same man, the boys teacher came forward saying the father had made disturbing comments about SA children, not to mention there were pictures of him groping the boys private parts. Lots of evidence available now that was sadly hidden during the trial.
There were letters from them as children to their cousin asking for help about the abuse they were enduring, other victims have come forward about the abuse they experienced by the same man, the boys teacher came forward saying the father had made disturbing comments about the children, not to mention there were pictures of him groping the boys private parts. Lots of evidence available now that was sadly hidden during the trial.
I don’t know why anyone would excuse two grown men for double murder of both their parents. The reason battered women are considered for leniency is because of the dominance of men over women due to their strength and threat. Two grown adult men could have walked away and did not.
Regardless of what their father done and for their mother who didn’t protect them. Murder is murder. But not by death, but to live and rot in jail. Felt like it was a show in this case.
I think the brothers lied so much that it makes it very difficult to believe them about the abuse. I’m not saying that it didn’t happen. However, looks like Lyle also SA his younger brother. Should Erik “unalive” Lyle as well? There are so many aspects to look at in this case that just for a SA stand point is not justifiable to say they should be free. They meticulously planned their parent’s mrdr. They didn’t just snap. Lyle went back to reload the gun to make sure his mom was dead. They were manipulative and tried to get people to lie for them in court as well. These guys were bad no matter their upbringing.
There's a picture of their father and them . The father holds his hand all over the younger brother's private parts, while sitting on fathers leg , the boy's face speaks a million words ( scared !! and sad face) The older brother stands behind the father, smiling bc he can't see where the father's hand is .
@@elouise5593they could have gotten real job's & taken care of themselves elsewhere! This was all about the money! And they were not willing to work for something that would continue to suport thier lifestyles! Had they not been caught would have been broke & liveing without that money! It was greed! They wouldn't even do the work to get a degree to be able to suport themselves! Why should they when they could have it handed to them all while traveling & partying! Nope it was GREED plain & simple!
I asked YT to take down the episode of SNL depicting their assault as comedy fodder . I said as an SA survivor it was triggering to myself & other survivor’s. As far as I know it’s still up. I always knew there was a deeper story than what we we’re told.
This is such a bizarre case because why didn’t Erick admit to the psychologist he was abused but admitted the murder? Why was Lyle in the phone while in jail and said he acted on the stand? Maybe they were touched but why did they go on this huge shopping spree after they killed the parents. So many questions
I'm sure their feelings of freedom and relief had them play out in real life how they felt inside after knowing the people who raped and abused them for over a decade are finally no longer a threat
Unless you’ve been a victim of sexual abuse, especially by someone you trust, you don’t know how hard it is to come forward about it, because of shame. Especially if you were a man. It was drilled into them from an early age to not trust anyone. And that’s what their dad wanted to make them believe so that these things don’t come out.
They were grown men. They may have been abused in some form or another; I don’t know. They could’ve left. They didn’t have to stay in that house with their alleged abusers. Could they support themselves with the life they were accustomed to? No, definitely not. I think that is more of a factor than any abuse. Regardless, of it all. No one has the right to take another’s life. Unless, you’re defending yourself from mortal danger. That was not the case here. They’re exactly where they belong.
I think it was more of a form of scapism for the brothers for the shame and remorse they might have felt after killing their abusive parents. And also they might have felt free to spend their money however they wanted without their parents limitations. It could have been a trauma response but ppl got distracted by this and ignored the bigger issue: the horrible abuse the brothers endured.
I think it's a lot more complicated than that - it's way too easy just to label someone "evil" but that's a very neat way for society to deny any accountability. Just as it takes a village to raise a man, the same is true for a killer.
They may have been abused, but they were also adults, who could have left at any time. Pretty much every abuse victim wants to kill their abuser. But they don’t do it. And they don’t do it in such a heinous way and try to cover it up by claiming inheritance, tampering to hide the crime, and trying to cover it up.
People who are NOW coming forth with sexual abuse stories about the dad have been promised a big payment is my guess. Same with the their female lawyer and others.
Your guess is WRONG. Sadly they were abused by the evil psychopath father. Even the boys teacher came out and said the father had made disturbing jokes about raping children.
Lots of people have suffered abuse more horrible than these young men did and do not kill their parent or parents. You will never convince me that money wasn't part of the motive. Plus, mom & dad aren't around to defend themselves and offer evidence.
And lots of people have suffered sexual abuse and have killed their abusers. Many women have done that. There is so much evidence of their sexual abuse, their paediatrician came forward with medical records of the injuries they sustained that are associated to the sexual abuse. Eric wrote a letter to his cousin Andy in 1988 detailing how the abuse hasn’t stopped. This was before the murders. And this letter was found by his mother after Andy had died. And their dad managed a music group of young boys and the dad raped one of the boys. He came out about it. That along with the letter pushed the courts to reevaluate the case. The dad took inappropriate pictures of the children, and the mom kept them in an envelope and had her handwriting on it for his birthday, 51 family members in total from both sides of the family came together to testify on their behalf
I urge all those saying free them to read the detailed autopsy reports, this was a premeditated, brutal execution murder, and they celebrated with months of spending sprees, zero remorse...sociopaths
First of all, their weapons of choice were powerful shotguns that would do the damage you're talking about. Poisoning or stabbing would have been more personal and premeditated..psychologically speaking, there is distance with a gun. The abysmal abuse they suffered at the hands of Jose while mother turned a blind eye and a black heart is THE WORST damage little children can endure. Secondly, their remorse was clear and profound from the jump. They still, in many respects, kept protecting their parents 'reputations' and their own shame. I believe they served enough time.
Yea because back then it was really normal for males to report abuse. Please come down to reality a bit. It’s not sus it’s actually pretty normal and it’s normal for them not to come forward because of comments like these. And I’m not even gonna go into how they are probably stunted because of the abuse. Despicable comments. SMH.
@@carlaamanda86 despicable? To question things? To openly discuss? To not automatically agree with you? That’s despicable? I find your attitude despicable.
They had their trial, were convicted, so leave it alone. No parent deserves to die at the hand of their children no matter what. You free them and who’s next.
Maybe your parents didn't use your body for gratification over the course of many years. I guess you don't understand the depths of despair that comes with suffering greatly at the hands of those who are supposed to be your living caretakers. I don't think you have ever read or heard about abuse. It can make you sick just hearing what is done to children and young adults. I read things that almost made me throw up. And often parents ARE involved.
@@carlyanny666 exactly, I totally agree with what you said. I think they are lying through their teeth about being abused and it's working. To even consider releasing them would be such an injustice.
@@johndoe-fq7ez bought it Hook line and sinker. When you're a survivor of this sick stuff, you know when another person is telling the truth about it. You have no clue. These kids were tortured. Bought it, 100%.
@@johndoe-fq7ez bought every bit of the truth. You can't make up what these kids talked about. Even the singer for Manuto was raped by their dad. And a letter to Eric's cousin before the murder talked about how he can't take the sex abuse any more. This sick stuff went on for years and years.
I remember this case very well. It went on for so long. Everyone jumping in with their opinion and finally I suspected that someone desperately wanted these young men to be found guilty. I’ve always wondered why that was. I I felt bad for them because I didn’t think they got a fair and impartial trial.
Abused kids are like anyone else, we all show our emotions differently. Cry, laugh, catatonic, brats, loud, quiet, mute, abuser, crusader, we are all different.
Idk about that but they recently found a letter one of the boys wrote to a cousin, who testified at the 1st trial and is now deceased. He testified the brother told him what was going on. A lot of family members came forward supporting them. An aunt was cleaning out his room and found this letter. It doesn't come out and say 100% my dad SA'd me but it insuates it and the letter was written I believe yrs before the trial. The judge wouldn't allow the SA to be brought up at the 2nd trial. The same judge from the 1st trial who previously allowed it. Just kind of convenient they knew what they needed to leave out in the 2nd trial to get convictions.
@@strangerthings88yep. I didn’t believe their bs in trial and don’t believe them now. Remorseless killers who believe they are smarter than everyone (but are actually quite stupid)
Pictures of them waist down and naked with extra focus on their genitals. As babies. All their teachers, coaches, etc had crazy stories about how they behaved and off behavior from the father. Experts explained that there were too many symptoms of abuse that the boys really shouldn't even know to fake because people don't just know that. For example Lyle, due to extreme stress, is bald. That's not real hair. Erik has a hearing disability that his teachers noted and told his parents if he got treatment early it would go away. His mother outright refused and he continued to have trouble. Even on the stand he would regularly mishear questions. Also no male, ESPECIALLY at that time, would choose to claim their father and mother raped them. Even now many don't believe males can be abused or assaulted. If you actually hear testimony, Erik has TOO many details for it to be lie and also justifies or underplays acts of abuse from his parents because he didn't recognize how bad it was. Lyle has a lot of childlike mannerisms, which is a symptom of extreme abuse as a child
I have seen quite a few kids who kill their parents when they turn 18 as no one would believe them. When the parents are rich and powerful no one will intervene. If they do they use their job
They need rehabilitation for institutionalized victims of this judicial system it’s barbaric and wrong to lock people in bars send our men home and educate them obviously there’s a problem here
They were adults. The could have left their home anytime, but they wanted their parents money. They also went on a shopping spree after the killings showing they were nothing but a pair of brats
You make “moving out” sound simple. I was also abused, and brainwashed to believe that I had no options, that I couldn’t survive without my parents, and that I would be a total failure if I did anything other than what my parents demanded of me. Even so, almost 40 years later, my biggest regret in life is not telling my parents to go duck themselves and escaping with my life.
Those two will never see the light of day. If they were so terrified of their parents they would have not been robbing their friends parents of over 100k in cash and other valuables, they wouldn’t have been screwing up in college and getting suspended and looking at expulsion, and they definitely wouldn’t be goofing off at their dad’s company which led to employees reporting them to Dad. That doesn’t sound like scared “boys” to me. What I do see is how Lyle influenced his younger brother Erik to help him commit crimes as a teen and kill their parents once Lyle was disinherited. Also, why shoot mom so many times as she was trying to crawl away from them? I’m not buying their sob story and I’m glad the JURY didn’t either.
regardless of your thoughts on the menendez brothers, i think we can all agree it’s insane that people like casey anthony can walk free while they’re still locked up.
Agreed!!!!!!!😮
Yessssss, Casey Anthony….why isn’t she held accountable? The videos I’ve seen of her shows a woman disassociated from her actions. Very weird speech, mannerisms even her body language. Very sad
Seriously ? Casey was also a product of abuse. And she adored Caylee the videos showed that. Her mother Cindy was an absolute control freak. George was a POS I read all the 20,000 doc dumps , videos etc. Casey was as much of a victim as was Caylee.
@@TheAll5555She's a psychopath.
The trunk that smelt like a dead body but Casey’s mom said it was old pizza . Lie after lie after lie. All Casey did was lie and she was found not guilty. I know there is special place in hell for Casey. Her daughter would be 19 .
Abuse can do strange things to a child's developing psyche
Half the prison population suffered worse than these two did. You don't bat an eyelash for them.
Yep! Look at Donald Trump. That man was fundamentally broken as a young child.
@@linda48223 I think inheritance and life insurance policies also do something strange to folk 😄
abuse causes personality disorder. In order for children to be mistreated and abused for two decades, a lot of people have to look the other way. Teachers, trainers, the close environment ...American society is therefore partly to blame for the murders.
No reason to kill in that savage way
My husband and I were talking about this case, I was only 12 when it happened, but when at that age once I heard they were being SA I felt they should have been let go, this continues to happen to children and it is so sick how the mothers let it happen because of the financial backing the father has. And if they were girls, I feel they would have had books, made for TV movies, be advocates and heros, and it's pretty sad that we don't protect our boys the same way we would protect our girls. Their mother should have done something to protect her boys 😞
Mother should be jailed for knowing, aiding and abetting. Why was she not charged. And very true, if they were girls... It would be different. And that's WRONG. That's unlawful, to treat boys differently to girls
I can bet if it was happening to you, given the circumstances, you would have done what those boys did.
Ruthless
Perhaps their mother was abused as well. Then they would have murdered another victim.
Look at Gypsy rose she got out.
Not for nothing, but Jose Menendez (their father) was a big record executive. We all know the music industry has evil entities.
Every industry has evil. Even the church aka religious industry.
All or most?
He would have killed them if they exposed him.
@@Fadingroses19Most. Because there are some amazing people in this field. People who genuinely care and will protect their clients. They even become like family to the artist or band.
You made a stupid comment. You said music= abuse. DUMB WITH A CAPITAL D.
One of the original band member of the Menudo group also accused the Menendez father of horribly S. Abused him.
I think his name is Roy. There is speculation Ricky Martin was molested but he isn't speaking out as of today
Really? That's very interesting. Where did you find this out?
@@gingerelle101 - The Menudo guys were interviewed where he spoke about his experience. It is on you tube.
Yes that is true
Ask Ricky Martin what happened when he was a kid in Puerto Rico
@@gingerelle101you are already too late..if you watched the documentary of this you would know..😅
I'm old enough to have watched their trial in real time and it was... everywhere. Bigger than the Depp/Heard trial. And when I watched those boys give testimony about the abuse they suffered at the hands of their monster of a "father", I believed every... single...word. I was absolutely gutted that they were found guilty. I hope like crazy that the interest in this case is growing enough and if people talk about it enough, they may be forced to consider another trial. One where the evidence of abuse isn't covered up.
Me too. I wonder how people can be so cold to say they lied. It would be even more painful to admit to the whole world the sexual abuse endured… was WILD how people reacted
I think the jury simply didn't like them. They saw the brothers as rich brats who had it all and yet still greedy for more. Majority of the jurors are probably working class, and as working class we've always had this prejudice/animosity towards the rich and that doesn't help the brothers' case at all.
@@hepianesti4269 When a person is being considered to be a juror in a massive criminal trial, both the Prosecutor and the Defence get to question these people, because they have ways of exposing any prejudices or animosity by the questions they ask. So anyone who may show even a hint of not being fully impartial, will be automatically dismissed. So I don't think you need to worry about the legitimacy of the jury. It's more likely that YOU are the one who simply didn't like them.
Nope, it has already exposed that the jury that found them guilty were men who refused to believe that boys could be sexually abused by their own father, plus any evidence of sexual abuse was not allowed in court. @@221BBakerStreet
His powerful father put them in jail. The kids were forever hopeless. Those yrs in prison couldn’t pay their father’s crime. Justice denied.
I just started watching the new series and now I’m obsessed with this case
That’s literally me rn 😭 im looking up everything and anything that has to do with them
Same
Same
Me too!
You wil learn, i hope. The father desirved it. And they should be free. Netflix are lying
Now we can see how evil the entertainment industry is..
Sickening.....
So everyone in it deserves to be killed?
No, just like these two shouldn't have been convicted based on how likeable or unlikable they were.
Neither one is justice, condemning everyone in the music business based on a few stories you've heard in your life is just as wrong as those two getting convicted based on some popularity contest nonsense.
People need to quit thinking with their emotions, especially when the subject is justice, take it from someone who watched the person who murdered my best friend get a walk from a jury who let their emotions do their thinking for them.
@@dukecraig2402Thats not what the comment said...but do go on and on
@@longlongshadows392
I wasn't addressing you, so don't go on.
Wasn't Ricky Martin in this group? And didn't he say something about being abused when he was a teenager?
@@dukecraig2402 I’m sorry your best friend was murdered. I can’t imagine what it’s done to you seeing the killer go free. I hope you are able to find peace. I believe the country is getting fed up with the chaos that’s been unleashed on our society and there will be a hard reverse of course, which will include a return to law and order. Take care of yourself.
Those two men need therapy not punishment. I feel like the Menendez brothers should have gotten institutionalized rather than being incarcerated. Incarceration can cause further psychological damage to abuse victims.
100% agree besides the damage from their parents now another damage from the prison
@joan-lisa-smith I know, I just feel that incarceration isn’t beneficial for them though.
Even though they have had some positive experiences in prison, being locked up can further damage their mental state.
Staying in a residential mental health facility or having an ankle monitor would have been more appropriate for the brothers.
Greed may have been somewhat of a factor, but I absolutely believe they were abused in horrific ways. Sounded like the father was a piece of human debris, and the mother was just as bad in other ways. Not to say they should have been murdered, of course, but it’s so indescribably vile to hear what they allegedly did to Erik and Lyle. I don’t know what I would have done had I suffered such abuse. Thank God my parents are incredibly loving and did everything they possibly could to help me. Makes me more thankful knowing some kids are so unfortunate to have worthless parents. No child should have to suffer like that, especially not at the hands of their parent/parents.
What else do you believe? You have no facts, weren't there, and didn't know a single person involved. But you're so sure that molestation occurred. Well understand this -- even if it did it doesn't give anyone the right to murder two people.
That whole sexual abuse stuff came out later, I actually don’t even believe it. These boys were spoiled, rotten, and didn’t respect anyone.!!! There is no new evidence, they belong just where they are!!!!
I believe they were molested. As far as the spending of the money, it’s not so difficult to believe. The amount they spent, though a lot to someone like me, wasn’t to them and what they were used to in their lifestyle. Yes, they killed their parents, that was never in dispute, but spending the money may have been a feeling of freedom. Freedom from abuse, freedom to do as they please, so with their lifestyle it’s spending money. Yes, they probably should have done some time for the crime, but manslaughter, not murder, not life. They have served more than enough time. The woman, my father’s last wife who he was divorcing because she was an alcoholic shot and killed him. Premeditated murder, said if she couldn’t have him nobody could. She wanted to meet him to talk and he unfortunately agreed. He was found that night in a ditch, never regained consciousness. She got life, prosecutor said she wouldn’t be out in less than 36 years, she served 14. This was 47 years ago, it took me 38 years to be able to talk about it. So I don’t take this stuff lightly, my stepfather abused me from ages 3-14. I personally haven’t found life to be very enjoyable, but I was lucky enough to have 3 kids who love me despite all my history of abuse and depression. If I’m standing up for the brothers, it means a lot.🤷🏻♀️
Have you watched the case? Not documentary the case where they provide proof and other witnesses. The jury wasnt allowed to know and after it was done THEN theh found out what happened and said the outcome would ha e been different had they known @historyiwitness5915
@@debbied9842I am so sorry for the ABUSE you went through. The devil comes to steal kill and destroy. Jesus came to save heal and restored
God bless you and your family
So Gypsy Rose is free, with a truckload of evidence proving she was the mastermind behind the killing, and these two rot in prison despite severe sexual abuse? Hardly seems fair. Let them out. They’ve suffered enough.
I hope this to brothers can walk free someday. Children have to be in loving home not abusing home.
This case is complicated in so many ways. But two things can be true. They could have been "brats" and cold hearted and cruel in their behavior to their parents and they could've been deeply traumatized by years of abuse. Erik was likely sexually abused for 12 years. Having learned a lot about SA and trauma it seems to me like there's a really good chance they disassociated in many ways and were emotionally detached from their parents, likely from the many years of abuse they suffered. And they were also likely emotionally stunted. They were also used to their parents showing their "love" with money.
Thank you for sharing. Excellent points.
So they disassociated from the abuse, but not the money, not the lifestyle not the luxury, not what it brought them who kills their parents. Either way there is never any excuse to kill your parents they were grown enough to get away from them and never deal with them again, or grown enough to go to the police and report it why do you get to get away with killing them? Did you kill your offender as a victim of S A??
@@Gemma-e7c if there's no excuse to killing your parents for sexually abusing you, then is there any reason to sexually abuse your own children?
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@@Gemma-e7ctoo many of you still exist. And there always will be. Thank God it is becoming a minority. The harshest critics are usually those who live in a disassociated shame coma ...
It makes me so angry when he says “if they were sisters, they would be free now.” The brothers don’t deserve this, they didn’t deserve any of it
The statement meant that if they were girls, people would be more likely to believe they were abused. The man who said that is a famous defense attorney, and he believes the brothers were abused.
@@blu48similar double standard when the r*pe victim is male and perpetrator female, the other way around will be decades in jail.
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Abused or not, they were not justified in committing the murders. They were young, strong and healthy. One was 21 years old and the other 18, meaning they could've walked out of their home at any time. They were monsters.
The bottom line is that they could have left home, even if that meant being cut out of the will.
@@janabell3810:
Precisely. For whatever reason, they desired to murder their parents. I´ve no idea if they truly believed they'd get away with it or not, but they wanted to murder them bad enough to take that chance rather than just leave, which they were both old enough and capable of doing.
Corey Feldman is absolutely right. The double standard is staggering. It's absolutely okay to mock abuse victims as long as it's a boy, not a girl. I'm a guy who was abused by a classmate back when I was a freshman in high school nearly 30 years ago. I didn't tell anyone for almost 20 years. After it had occurred, rumours flew that we had hooked up, but small town and smaller mines let everyone to draw their own conclusions. It took a toll on my self-esteem and I nearly did off of this planet numerous times because of it.
I’m so sorry for what you went through, no one should ever go through that
More needs to be done to support male SA victims. It's statistically proven less than 1% of male victims come forward. I understand how emasculating the ordeal is and how much more it hurts the boys vs girls. I was SA for years, but I'm female and all I felt was violated and worthless, but boys feel it so much more deeply. It needs to be talked about more for the boys/men. So the male population feels heard and understood. Maybe if they felt more comfortable knowing they aren't alone, they can open up about it.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm still dealing with PTSD and trauma, but I'll be ok. I'm too old to worry about it ruining me now. Lol
I hope you found peace within yourself, and know that doesn't make or break the person you are meant to be. It doesn't define who you are and it won't take away from the strong male inside of you. The person (s) that did this to you are the cowards. They are the weak ones. Not you.
@@iononcantomascrivo I’m so sorry to hear this, you’re not alone. We can endure the shame, the insecurities and move forward
And the “New Evidence” is?????………. Never told🤷♀️
Exactly!!
Sexual abuse, so far there's is a picture of the father having his hand all over the younger boy's private parts. I'm sure there is more
A guy from a boy band admitted to eww Jose menendes raped him too.
It's a short and a teaser for Fox Nation.
A Menudo band member has come forward saying he was sexually assaulted by the father when he was 14. He’s very believable and they have court proceedings in progress looking at this. There was a documentary on Peacock called Menudo and Mendez. Very eye opening.
I'm so sorry for these men, especially when they were boys. Abused boys need a voice.
They Should NEVER have gone to Prison NEVER. Their Father Not Only SB them . He Beat them and Made them do Awful things . Their Mother Knew what was going on AND Did NOTHING to help her Sons . They had NO Help from Anyone. I feel so sorry for them . They should be FREE. 🙏🙏🙏
They're lying and they're psychopaths
@@christinewigley2206are you out of your mind
@@susanberry2560 NO I most certainly am NOT. Are YOU by any chance .
@@christinewigley2206she is, ignore these idiots
"If the brothers were 2 sisters, they would not be in prison." Putting them in prison, they are victims all over again. I pray that they get to be released very soon✝️🙏🏼
If they were not recorded bragging about out how stupid we all and attempting to write a book maybe they would have been believed
Yeah, Lyle was so dumb for that! At least when Eric confessed to the counselor, it was out of grief and guilt. When Lyle bragged to his pen pal girlfriend, that was just out of arrogant grandiosity. He got that arrogant grandiosity from José.
I think he was just didn’t really think and he was younger and set up by the girl, and I think he was in denial as it’s a traumatic experience and he just didn’t really know how deal with it at that moment
@@themaggattack Yes I believe he was the one who would've ended up like Jose, but I think he changed a lot later in life while in prison. He matured and being away from that kind of abuse for a long time now gives you time to heal. It wasn't who he really was, it was what his father wanted him to be. He wanted him to be the "killer" figuratively and literally. Trump was raised that way too, according to Mary Trump's book about her uncle.
@@themaggattack. Can u tell me WHICH IS WHICH?? And who is the oldest, Lyle or Eric?? Is Lyle the one with a thin, prominent nose?? Thank u very much!!
@@KChelseaVenus Mary Trump should shut her mouth. She just wants fame and money at the expense of the Trump family. There are hundreds of stories out there of Donald Trump being kind and generous through the years, helping other people, and I just saw a TH-cam video by a guy who went to a private school with Donald,, and his dad died, and Donald Trumps dad came by their place and told the mom not to worry, he will pay for her sons schooling until he graduated. There are lots of people who have told their experiences, but the main stream media wants to make them look bad. It’s a crime how they smear that family. Look how well respected, and hard working all of the Trump kids are! Not coke heads and criminals like Hunter Biden. Donald Trump was well loved and respected until he changed from a Democrat to a Republican and since that day, the democrat regime has tried to destroy him. Anyway, please stop spreading rumors. It’s ridiculous and disgusting.
Just look at Gypsy rose, did she even do 10 years? Now she's free..
Who?
@@sleeplessdreamer1814 The girl who killed her overbearing mother, who made her believe that she was mentally sick. And kept her away from things that normal people, when she wasn’t really sick as her mom lie.
@@Aaron-MackHartford I never heard of that case.
@@sleeplessdreamer1814 How have you not heard of Gypsy Rose Blancherd Her mom had munchausen by proxy
@@JuliaOBrien06 I do not know how I missed it. But I honestly did. I know about Munchausen by proxy having worked in mental health. I plan on looking up GRB and Dee Dee.
I don't know if the abuse is true or made up, but I 100% agree that if it was "the Menendez Sisters" they would have gotten off. The justice system is HORRIBLY sexist against men.
Prejudiced in many ways. Weisberg treated Leslie Abramson abysmally, partly because she is a woman.
I was born 76 in Sweden. But remember seeing their faces on newspapers
They were groomed. The parents gave everything and spoiled them so their crime would cover..
Yes they parents gave then a lot of humiliation, anal sex, raped, post traumatic stress disorder, etc.
Such an amazing coincidence that all this new evidence suddenly appears when there's no chance to verify it
Exactly
Those guys getting a new trial is legit on my 2024 bingo card.
Thats called double jeopardy. Thats is beyond illegal. They can not get a new trial. There can just be laws passed to make them eligible for parole. Its so sad how little this country understands the law system
Those guys deserves a new trial because you watched a documentary and two TH-cam videos and you think you know more about the case than the autorithies involved 👍 thx God you not part of a jury
@@marion.4021The whole point of the story is that there is critical evidence that was hidden during the trial. Letters from the brothers as children to a cousin about the S.A. they suffered, famous children the father worked with that said he also raped and abused them, and pictures of the father groping his sons privates. Why not try looking into the new evidence first, before reverting back to the same old song and dance from 20 years ago...
@@Bringbacksuprafootwear
Double Jepordy doesn't apply when convicted.
If they were found innocent and let go, then more evidence that came out later that they were guilty, they couldn't be brought up on the same charges. However, they could be brought up on lesser charges that weren't part of the original trial.
@Bringbacksuprafootwear
The ruling that I can think of that maybe you're confusing this with is the minors being given death and life without parole for their sentences is unconstitutional (Miller 2012)
Each minor who was convicted is now entitled to a sentencing review trial to see if the sentence stands.
They were cut out of the will. They were men in college. Not little kids. They planned it. They could have left
Sometimes being abused creates psychopathy.
"Cannot be firmly established by scientific means"
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Grown men with education can go anywhere they wanted. There was no need to kill anyone.
You dont know their life or the facts about their parents.
@@sheilaartis5728 no ma'am I don't know them or their parents. But I know plenty of people that have been abused and they didn't kill anyone. I'm sorry their lives have been such a horrible tragedy. But murder is not a given, it is a choice.
I can’t believe they’re still locked up smh
Why?? They are murderers!
I agree. They’ve paid their debt to society. They’re no threat to anyone.
they murdered 2 people wdym??
@@suzann824One of them is married and has children
Life means LIFE!!
This is heartbreaking to say the least. They have suffered enough, FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHER NOW!!!!
You´re as sick as they are.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@sangteikhiangte2390you find this amusing????
To take the lives of the very people who brought them into this world is sick. I know they claimed they were abusive, but it’s the way they went about it instead of getting help instead they murder them in cold blood then right away start going on a spending spree! Sadly, all they cared about was the money! Killing of your parents so horrifically is a coldness so cold it sends a shiver up the spine!
@@SouthernBelle67it’s people like you that stops children coming forward when abused. There is proof out there there were 3 cousins who they spoke to as friends an now a letter has been found that Erik wrote as a child ! Them parents did not deserve such beautiful boys . The parents were the monsters
Why was the one piece of furniture kept and taken to the Marina del Rey condo they bought with daddy’s money Erik’s bed that was supposedly his place of torture? And why did Lyle try to suborn perjury by asking his then GF to claim (falsely) that Jose had sexually attacked her? And why did they lie so many times about the days leading up to the murders? Jose was a terrible father. He was involved with Lyle’s plagiarism at Princeton and he got them off the felony hook after they were caught stealing from their friends’ homes. They were adults and could have left but then they wouldn’t have inherited millions. They knew Jose was going to cut them off and that’s why they hired the computer expert to make sure there was no new will on Jose’s PC.
Erik claimed the last time Jose abused him was after a tennis tournament in Michigan in the week before the murders only Lyle later testified Jose came home later, not with them, so Erik lied.
Interesting. Seems you studied the case very closely.
Do you think they had an incestuous relationship ?
@@Violet-fj8yd no they didn't wtf. That's why you don't watch stupid shows.
If they'd not gone on a buying spree, if they'd turned themselves in, citing the abuse, this would've ended very differently.
One of the brothers did come back from another country and turn himself in
Please remember that after they killed their parents they went out and spend their money that doesn’t look good I don’t believe they were abused that’s my instincts
I don't know, they told the therapist about murder because they couldn't keep it to themselves but not sa? Hmm.
There is such a social stigmatism to make SA- especially back then. Unless you have been SA there is no way you can really understand.🤯
@@laurabarber6697 Well luckily for you I have been and no I rarely talk about it but also if I had the capability to keep the SA to myself I damn well would also be able to keep murder I'm getting away with to myself too. There's also a huge stigma against murdering your parents btw.... Like no kidding if you can legit hide the Sa the murder would also be easy to hide because well hiding stuff already.
Sa was something DONE to him ...murder was something he DID ...the guilt and shame felt would be different one he was the victim and other perpetrator ...
I can see that being a thing. I had counselling for DV. Couldn't bring myself to mention the SA I also subjected to
I think you mean SRA ( Satanic Ritual Abuse) though God knows that goes on too.
Imagine the only reason why they got called because his therapist recorded the conversation. Wow.
Now I never want to go to therapist then. They are not a safe place if we have mental issue. They might want us to get killed.
I've been to many therapists, and only a couple have i felt safe with. An independent therapist imo is safer. My experience anyway. @charlenetime3486
@@charlenetime3486I am a therapist and we have a duty to report to the authorities if someone has committed a crime or intends to do so. The only wrong thing the therapist did was not report it to the police right away - especially if he was not aware of the sexual abuse
Therapists are Mandated Reporters. If someone has the intent, or has already committed a crime they have to report it. The greedy brats should have been reported, breaking into homes and what not, hating their parents cuz they wanted to live high off the hog on their parent’s dime, not work, they were grown they could’ve moved out.
Yet no mention of ever molestation to the therapist…🤦♀️ Regardless, if they were molested or not, you cannot blow someone’s head off
The fact is those boys were old enough to walk away from any abuse they were receiving. Instead, they chose a different path. Their where they belong.
The Chief District Attorney and Mrs. Clark failed with the O.J. trail. We saw
the extent they were willing to go to
get a conviction. The two brothers spent
a lifetime being abused by their father
and the mother did not protect them.
The brothers had their lives ruined by
the parents. A lifetime of accumulation of pain and hurtessed up their minds.
Children minds became infected with
hate,tears,heartbreak,and no hope of
being safe by the DOJ . Their minds
stayed locked in a world of desperation
I agree and they could have called the police
Remember they went on a shopping spree with the expensive ROLEX WATCHES, after having killed their parents
You obviously don't know what happens psychologically to abused children / adults. Keep to what you know!
They were brainwashed and couldn’t walk away.
@@Susan-sr3ge well if you say so the parents are no longer here to defend themselves and a drowning person holds on to anything to survive.
Us daughters never receive justice either. When it's dad or brother, we just take it in silence as NO ONE CARES ABOUT KIDS. 😢😢😢😢 ❤❤❤❤
U are right. I'll say no more.
Yep
My mother accused me of lying about some and covered up for her husband
Our relationship was never close from then on.
I’m sorry. ❤
@@amyrussell860I’m sorry,❤
@@naturegazer6749That’s a terrible thing for a mother to do. ❤
They are both victims and villains. I grew up in an abusive home. I didn't kill my parents. I got away from them as soon as I hit 17.
Exactly right!!
There is still greed at the root of this.
My friend ran away too.
I knew her as a homeless person. She asked me for a ride to her parents house one day.
I was shocked. They lived in a beautiful mansion in Miami Beach. Spiral staircase and marble floors. Gold fixtures everywhere. But she was there for all of 4 minutes to pick up a few of her belongings and we left.
She’d rather be homeless than put up with that or kill her parents!
No abuse is the same
They did enough time.
@@gasmith7486Was she afraid that her parents would find her and kill her? Because the Menendez brothers were. José would 💯 have murdered them if they had tried to escape his control. He would have gone to any length to keep them from telling how he SA's them. And their mother would have backed her evil husband up, like she always did. That's why they felt their only escape was to murder their parents.
@@gasmith7486pls do not judge other people easily for what they chose other way different from your ideas. One thing is clear for me, you are right they were greedy, bug 30 years is ENOUGHT and now let them free!!
They sure did find a talented lawyer. She blew me away with her skill in the courtroom.
They could have told police ,They could have told a relative they trusted,They could have told one of their good friends,They could have told ANYBODY!THEY DID NOT .They are so guilty and not just a little either.THEY PLANNED IT !
They did tell their cousin. The cousin even witnessed some thing's way before the murders . The cousin cried his eyes out in court . Their Dad was a record executive / producer . He even raped a band member of the all young male group called Menudos . Their father had cops and lawyers in his pocket for years . There Father was like a DIDDY . Their father would had unalived them before giving them a chance to leave and tell police . Their Dad was a sick narcissist person. He was forcing one of the boys to try to become the world's greatest tennis player . How would YOU like to try to escape from a man evil as DIDDY ?
But they did tell their cousin and several other family members. He testified in the 1st trial, but not allowed to in the 2nd. The Court were so afraid of the idea of the reality of this, that they refused it to be planted into the minds of the average person. The boys saw this as their only way out of the pain and shame they suffered for years of their life!
Easy for you to say, that they could have .
There will always be people like you, unfortunately.
The fact that you’re saying they could’ve told someone even after both brothers said that their father threatened to kill them if they told anyone IS INSANE. Stop trying to justify abuse and r@pe, it’s disgusting.
They were not children when they murdered their parents.
They were controlled by their billionaire DIDDY type of sick father . He had cops and lawyers in his pocket .He even raped a young male member of the band The Menudos .
Yes they were 6 yrs when they were raped… and the father keep doing even when his son was 18 thats why
They are just guilty guilty guilty,everyone with a brain knows that
For years I thought they were guilty. But with the new evidence it's clear that the Menendez brothers were abused and then wrongfully accused. I'm happy there is new evidence and angry that their father not only abused them, but also other members in his social circle. It's terrible and they should have not been ignored or punished. Did their mom deserve to die though? I'm just asking. I would think she would have tried to save them from the monster she married. If not then she was wrong too. Nobody deserves to be murdered. But those men were innocent boys who were at the mercy of evil in their home. I hope they do get exonerated. And I hope this story helps future generations. And if there is indeed abuse in your home, don't murder, ask for help. This may have been a last resort for them. It's truly sad and disturbing.
The mother knew and she pretended not to. All the while she actually HELPED the father to keep getting away with it!! She would make sure nobody went near the bedroom or the bathroon whenever the father had the boys back there, torturing them.
She refused to believe Eric's aunt who tried to tell her.
The parents smeared the young boys reputations by telling everyone they were just spoilt brats. They forced them to place CRUSHING value on success and they punished them to the degree of making them sick if they didn't succeed at everything. Lyle lost his hair at only 20 years old from the stress his father put on him to succeed at Princeton. Their parents pushed and chided them and deprived them until they acted out- and then they turned around and said "see how bad these boys are?" The parents gaslit and sabotaged them. On top of the horriffic SA & other physical abuse.
The parents threatened to kill the boys if they ever tried to get away from the abuse or tell anyone about it again.
Murdering their parents absolutely was the boy's final, desperate attempt at escaping their parent's relentless abuse and control.
@@themaggattack Yep. The mom enabled the pedophile predator who raped her children. Sick.
@@themaggattackone was 21 and the other was 18, why didn’t they just move out?
No matter what abuse happened they both pulled the trigger that killed them.dont get that part twisted.no kind of abuse allows you to take the law into it own hands.period,point,blank
@@BlueLace-pf4dzWhere to with absolutely nothing!!!!??? 😡
They had so many options. There was no reason to choose murder.
Everyone's minds doesn't work the same way.due to severe and continuous abuse, can make a person monster .
...as you can see by the fact that no one listened or believed them, the system failed them, what they did was their ONLY option. They saved others from being potential victims!!!!
I have cptsd and I am sure they do too, it doesn't make you rational.
They did not have so many options.
If they didn’t go on a 700k shopping spree I would have looked at this case in a whole different light. Also they burglarized before the killings and that just shows lust for money. Furthermore, their arrogance and body language/ smile in the beginning days of the trial was just aweful. I just don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ the parents didn’t live to defend themselves
A simple note left behind is not evidence of innocents. They had ample opportunity to seek out other options available to them rather than murder. They were not prisoners in their home. They were free to go to parties, trips. They could have sought out counselors, police, friends. They could have moved out on their own. They had multiple options other than murder and they CHOOSE MURDER. Legally, having other options prevents them from making a claim that they had no other choice. When the did . . . guilty as charged.
The brothers' defense team discovered a letter written by Erik to his cousin in 1988 opening up about his father's abuse.
However, they only started talking about abuse after the killing. One letter now is not worthy of release.. These clowns were free, rich and went to parties, traveled. Told no one when they had ample opportunity to do so.
It wasn't just a note, two cousins testified that they were told of sexual abuse by the brothers. The female cousin was told by 8 year old Lyle, Andy was told by Erik somewhere around 10 or older, and the letter that was found was found in Andy's things by his mother after Andy committed suicide. Their doctor testified that injuries and issues they had were typical of sexual abuse victims, such as the injury to Eriks's throat and palate. And Lyle's abdominal muscle issue. The entire family believes they were being sexually abused as they and their cousins claimed. And now the Menudo boy has come and said Jose raped him. As Lyle said, people who barely even knew Jose were saying this was the worst human being they ever met, which is why there was not one character witness to testify in his favor, and why his own siblings testified to his abusive behavior that included screaming at 2 year old Erik to hold on to a bar as long as he could and to stop crying.
They shouldn't kill. Period.
And their father shouldn’t force himself on little boys. Guess what? Now he doesn’t.
Yes, A LOT of people shouldn't be killing.....And yet they still do🙄😒
@@JebidiahStillkrackingagaina lot f people shouldn't be committing suicide they still do
@@JebidiahStillkrackingagaina lot of people have been molested or worse & didn't choose to commit murder 👀
@@AngelNegrete-j9j That is true, in fact with your point, I believe you're making MY point FOR me.😶
I was abused with complicit mother. You don't kill them. You just move out. Well you may not get that money but killing?
You make “moving out” sound simple. I was also abused, and brainwashed to believe that I had no options, that I couldn’t survive without my parents, and that I would be a total failure if I did anything other than what my parents demanded of me. Even so, almost 40 years later, my biggest regret in life is not telling my parents to go duck themselves and escaping with my life.
@@CH67guy1Exactly. Some people are brainwashed and groomed to think they are a prisoner and others aren't and just leave. These boys were groomed. So sorry you dealt with such evil!
Your parents did not have billionaire DIDDY power ! There Dad got away with raping a young male band member from that band The Menudos . He had cops and lawyers and " Yes" Men in his pockets .
@@STARSanSTRIPES everyone deals with trauma differently
Exactly!
I’ve always questioned this case.
The documentary is on Netflix.....
Ne'er a truer word was uttered. They really came across as completely unlikeable brats. Immaturity and a lack of emotional intelligence was there downfall.
I remember when I first heard about the abuse by their dad, and their mother's complicity, the idea was so improbable to me.
I thought they were lying too, until I watched the documentary on Prime. It's very believable, and I believe the SA happened....but I DON'T believe these brothers are angels, or in any way normal people, who should be let back in society! The first tell was when they lied about what happened. When they called the cops they should've told the truth up front. Then I might've believed they were redeemable.
They were adults. They could have left home
There Dad had huge power . Like DIDDY power . He would had unalived his sons before allowing them to ever have a chance to reveal his evil secrets . He raped one of the young males from the band Menudo. Their mother allowed the abuse , she never tried to protect them or leave her husband and she abused the boys .
I'm old enough to remember hearing and watching the Charlie Manson family trial.......
That was an awful slaughtering of their parents.
It was also a slaughtering of awful parents. They’ve paid their debt to society and they’re no threat to anyone. Let them live the rest of their lives in peace.
Oh, stop, they murdered their parents and are now paying the price, end of story. It seems every defendant now wants a free pass because they were sexually abused. I know several people who suffered being sexually abused, and they don't have murders on their minds!
I had forgotten about this greed of crime
These guys were definitely abused. When trauma such as this happens you're stunted in the age when the trauma started. They were immature for their ages and had been abused for years. I don't condone what they did but I do believe they were truly in fear and felt it was their parents or them. 2nd degree murder. I think they've done their time. Either vacate the conviction or retry the case with ALL the evidence including others who were molested by Jose Menendez.
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Agree. As a SA victim myself I can tell you that you get locked into a certain age and maturity level. I was 5 when it started, almost 8 before it stopped. The age when you start learning coping skills. I still don't cope, just learned to pretend that certain things didn't happen. Thankful my abuser wasn't a family member. I was so young and didn't know how to tell my parents. When I did, it's like a light bulb turned on. Parents said my personality and behavior changed drastically around that time. Family has always been there for me- I cannot imagine what these 2 went through with zero support. Enough is enough. They need out or a new trial.
@mesalily-TeHWoRld as a fellow victim
S.a doesn't justify murder when it doesn't happened at that moment....
Every time they left that house to play tennis or go shopping or whatever,they chose to drive back there when they could have at their age very easily found a secure place to stay and then went to the police. They had a large extended family they could have stayed with. They wanted the money.
@@akosua8779 True. And as bad as it was for me, I wouldn't have been able to commit murder. I've always been satisfied just hurting myself, as well as blaming myself. Years of therapy and I see that many SA survivors have the same line of thinking as mine. The only people who really knew what went on in the Menendez household were the 4 that lived there. 2 are gone. The other 2 are paying the price. I don't honestly know the correct answer to this, truth be told. Just feel like there was too much suffering, however it came about
I kind of remember this when it was hot, right around the OJ drama, and I gotta say-the spin is SO crazy! Back in the early '90's it was all about their flippant attitudes and their blatant and disgusting disregard for the value of money, and frankly, the life of their parents. They were always SO arrogant. Never once did they pull on any of America's heartstrings. Instead, they ran around blowing Daddy's money faster than we could say "Bob's your uncle". Only now has this story turned from one of severe greed and pure evil towards one of secrets, abuse and pity. And, while they truly could have been sexually abused, I feel like John Q. Public is missing the point - we do not blow the heads off ANY abuser in this country!! Our law is not "An eye for an eye". Normal people are law abiding, even when sexual abuse has taken over their entire lives. They turn to trusted sources, seek help from Drs and therapists, and report abuse to authorities. Civilized society isn't vengeful and causing bloody carnage.
While rape and sexual abuse is taken much more seriously than 30 yrs ago, it's always been an appalling and heart wrenching crime. I do believe the brothers would have been taken seriously by authorities. What this case was about was GREED. The will. We saw two entitled, rich, pompous silver spooned , vile, cold hearted greedy brothers who only cared about inheriting their father's enormous fortune, and eliminating the other hurdle- their mother!
Knowing about the sexual abuse moreso than I heard about it 30 years ago-would that change my opinion about them and the case?? No. I never saw two victims or grieving sons, repentant heartbroken brothers --it was a story about two psychopathic narcissistic sociopaths whose greed took over
I have no doubt that the Netflix show sheds light onto horrible abuses the brothers endured but it won't change the fact that they were consumed by greed. They only cared about $. They committed very violent, gruesome crimes against their own blood. Let's not forget that. And mentally stable, healthy adults do not brutally murder their parents. And especially not in so grotesque a manner! Who blows their fathers brains across a room, and takes their mommy's kneecaps and face out??? Abuse or no abuse, they are guilty of brutally murdering their parents. Period
Many kids suffered under their parents. They could just have left and started their own lives. There was no need for murder.
Bull 💩 ! Their Dad had billionaire power like DIDDY ! He even raped a young male band member from the band The Menudos . He had cops and lawyers in his evil pockets .
Compassion and healing sent to you both.
Could someone tell me what evidence they have of abuse? They shot their parents in a brutal manner.
When their father told them they are out of the will, because they were entitled lazy brats, that’s when they planned the murders!!!
@@fidelmakelly6432not true
There were letters from them as children to their cousin asking for help about the abuse they were enduring, other victims have come forward about the abuse they experienced by the same man, the boys teacher came forward saying the father had made disturbing comments about SA children, not to mention there were pictures of him groping the boys private parts. Lots of evidence available now that was sadly hidden during the trial.
There were letters from them as children to their cousin asking for help about the abuse they were enduring, other victims have come forward about the abuse they experienced by the same man, the boys teacher came forward saying the father had made disturbing comments about the children, not to mention there were pictures of him groping the boys private parts. Lots of evidence available now that was sadly hidden during the trial.
There are several pieces of hard evidence but when I share it, it deletes my message. All I can say is their father did what the boys said he did.
I don’t know why anyone would excuse two grown men for double murder of both their parents.
The reason battered women are considered for leniency is because of the dominance of men over women due to their strength and threat.
Two grown adult men could have walked away and did not.
Yeah, but they'd also have to walk away from all that money. They found that more intolerable than killing than parents.
Regardless of what their father done and for their mother who didn’t protect them. Murder is murder. But not by death, but to live and rot in jail. Felt like it was a show in this case.
I think the brothers lied so much that it makes it very difficult to believe them about the abuse. I’m not saying that it didn’t happen. However, looks like Lyle also SA his younger brother. Should Erik “unalive” Lyle as well?
There are so many aspects to look at in this case that just for a SA stand point is not justifiable to say they should be free. They meticulously planned their parent’s mrdr. They didn’t just snap. Lyle went back to reload the gun to make sure his mom was dead. They were manipulative and tried to get people to lie for them in court as well. These guys were bad no matter their upbringing.
They were broken
There's a picture of their father and them . The father holds his hand all over the younger brother's private parts, while sitting on fathers leg , the boy's face speaks a million words ( scared !! and sad face)
The older brother stands behind the father, smiling bc he can't see where the father's hand is .
Lyle only did what he learnt from his father.
@@annetakubiak3374 that picture tells you everything you need to know.
The 18 and 21 year old MEN could have packed their bags and left!!!! Still living at home with “monsters” at 21?!
Nope- all about the $$.
Their father told them he would make sure they never found a decent job anywhere and threatened to kill one of them.
@@elouise5593they could have gotten real job's & taken care of themselves elsewhere! This was all about the money! And they were not willing to work for something that would continue to suport thier lifestyles! Had they not been caught would have been broke & liveing without that money! It was greed! They wouldn't even do the work to get a degree to be able to suport themselves! Why should they when they could have it handed to them all while traveling & partying! Nope it was GREED plain & simple!
I asked YT to take down the episode of SNL depicting their assault as comedy fodder . I said as an SA survivor it was triggering to myself & other survivor’s. As far as I know it’s still up. I always knew there was a deeper story than what we we’re told.
This is such a bizarre case because why didn’t Erick admit to the psychologist he was abused but admitted the murder? Why was Lyle in the phone while in jail and said he acted on the stand? Maybe they were touched but why did they go on this huge shopping spree after they killed the parents. So many questions
I'm sure their feelings of freedom and relief had them play out in real life how they felt inside after knowing the people who raped and abused them for over a decade are finally no longer a threat
Because there are still too many people like you that exist.
Stupidity like their supporters
Unless you’ve been a victim of sexual abuse, especially by someone you trust, you don’t know how hard it is to come forward about it, because of shame. Especially if you were a man. It was drilled into them from an early age to not trust anyone. And that’s what their dad wanted to make them believe so that these things don’t come out.
They were grown men. They may have been abused in some form or another; I don’t know.
They could’ve left. They didn’t have to stay in that house with their alleged abusers. Could they support themselves with the life they were accustomed to? No, definitely not. I think that is more of a factor than any abuse.
Regardless, of it all. No one has the right to take another’s life. Unless, you’re defending yourself from mortal danger. That was not the case here. They’re exactly where they belong.
I watched this trial from beginning to end & I KNEW something was going on deeper than what was revealed in that trial.
Doesn't matter they killed them. Then went on a spending spree. Sounds like money is the real motivation.
I think it was more of a form of scapism for the brothers for the shame and remorse they might have felt after killing their abusive parents. And also they might have felt free to spend their money however they wanted without their parents limitations. It could have been a trauma response but ppl got distracted by this and ignored the bigger issue: the horrible abuse the brothers endured.
This is what evil looks like.
Guess you mean the evil father!?
I think it's a lot more complicated than that - it's way too easy just to label someone "evil" but that's a very neat way for society to deny any accountability. Just as it takes a village to raise a man, the same is true for a killer.
Jose Menendez
They may have been abused, but they were also adults, who could have left at any time. Pretty much every abuse victim wants to kill their abuser. But they don’t do it. And they don’t do it in such a heinous way and try to cover it up by claiming inheritance, tampering to hide the crime, and trying to cover it up.
They were 18 and 21! Move out and press charges against abusive parents. You dont get to murder people. They belong in jail.
People who are NOW coming forth with sexual abuse stories about the dad have been promised a big payment is my guess. Same with the their female lawyer and others.
Your guess is WRONG. Sadly they were abused by the evil psychopath father. Even the boys teacher came out and said the father had made disturbing jokes about raping children.
Your guess is wrong. He did what they said he did. Even the boys teacher set the father had made disturbing comments about SA children.
Lots of people have suffered abuse more horrible than these young men did and do not kill their parent or parents. You will never convince me that money wasn't part of the motive. Plus, mom & dad aren't around to defend themselves and offer evidence.
And lots of people have suffered sexual abuse and have killed their abusers. Many women have done that. There is so much evidence of their sexual abuse, their paediatrician came forward with medical records of the injuries they sustained that are associated to the sexual abuse. Eric wrote a letter to his cousin Andy in 1988 detailing how the abuse hasn’t stopped. This was before the murders. And this letter was found by his mother after Andy had died. And their dad managed a music group of young boys and the dad raped one of the boys. He came out about it. That along with the letter pushed the courts to reevaluate the case. The dad took inappropriate pictures of the children, and the mom kept them in an envelope and had her handwriting on it for his birthday, 51 family members in total from both sides of the family came together to testify on their behalf
I urge all those saying free them to read the detailed autopsy reports, this was a premeditated, brutal execution murder, and they celebrated with months of spending sprees, zero remorse...sociopaths
First of all, their weapons of choice were powerful shotguns that would do the damage you're talking about. Poisoning or stabbing would have been more personal and premeditated..psychologically speaking, there is distance with a gun. The abysmal abuse they suffered at the hands of Jose while mother turned a blind eye and a black heart is THE WORST damage little children can endure. Secondly, their remorse was clear and profound from the jump. They still, in many respects, kept protecting their parents 'reputations' and their own shame. I believe they served enough time.
Abuse, or no abuse, you can’t 86 your parents and expect to not go to jail.
There is NO such thing as being sentenced to jail for murder
@@BostonEsq prison, not jail. Sorry.
Smh is there any evidence of them ever going to anyone about their abuse ? Or did they just up and murder them. These are adults, not children.
Their cousin knew of the abuse by both the parents . He cried his heart out in court , he told on their parents .
@@AprilW-ls6bdjust one cousin ?! In all those years. Sus
Another troglodyte.
Yea because back then it was really normal for males to report abuse. Please come down to reality a bit. It’s not sus it’s actually pretty normal and it’s normal for them not to come forward because of comments like these. And I’m not even gonna go into how they are probably stunted because of the abuse. Despicable comments. SMH.
@@carlaamanda86 despicable? To question things? To openly discuss? To not automatically agree with you? That’s despicable? I find your attitude despicable.
They had their trial, were convicted, so leave it alone. No parent deserves to die at the hand of their children no matter what. You free them and who’s next.
Maybe your parents didn't use your body for gratification over the course of many years. I guess you don't understand the depths of despair that comes with suffering greatly at the hands of those who are supposed to be your living caretakers.
I don't think you have ever read or heard about abuse. It can make you sick just hearing what is done to children and young adults. I read things that almost made me throw up. And often parents ARE involved.
The Judicial system is so Corrupt 😡
Because she was poor and her mother had years of documented medical abuse against her. That situation is totally different.
Just HOW is that different? Abuse is abuse, no matter in what way it was done!
The fact that we can accept ( ????) Fathers do assault their daughters is just as horrifying as refusing to accept fathers do assault their sons.
I will never believe them!
I don't believe them either, not even a little
I don't believe them at all, it was pure greed, if life with their parents was so bad they would have hit the road ASAP not stay.
@@carlyanny666 exactly, I totally agree with what you said. I think they are lying through their teeth about being abused and it's working. To even consider releasing them would be such an injustice.
I'm sorry I won't either
Not greed. Torture. Sick parents.
Don’t buy it.
@@johndoe-fq7ez bought it Hook line and sinker. When you're a survivor of this sick stuff, you know when another person is telling the truth about it.
You have no clue. These kids were tortured. Bought it, 100%.
wtf do you mean, it’s true
@@Getoandgojoo no evidence, of course they had to say all of that, and the people that could defend themselves were killed
@@johndoe-fq7ez bought every bit of the truth. You can't make up what these kids talked about. Even the singer for Manuto was raped by their dad. And a letter to Eric's cousin before the murder talked about how he can't take the sex abuse any more. This sick stuff went on for years and years.
I remember this case very well. It went on for so long. Everyone jumping in with their opinion and finally I suspected that someone desperately wanted these young men to be found guilty. I’ve always wondered why that was. I I felt bad for them because I didn’t think they got a fair and impartial trial.
Abused kids are like anyone else, we all show our emotions differently. Cry, laugh, catatonic, brats, loud, quiet, mute, abuser, crusader, we are all different.
Oh please, now we are defending these two men? Really?
Their Psychologist...betrayed Them ... ?
Was there ever any physical exam to prove the abuse because that evidence would be 100 percent apparent.
Idk about that but they recently found a letter one of the boys wrote to a cousin, who testified at the 1st trial and is now deceased. He testified the brother told him what was going on. A lot of family members came forward supporting them. An aunt was cleaning out his room and found this letter. It doesn't come out and say 100% my dad SA'd me but it insuates it and the letter was written I believe yrs before the trial. The judge wouldn't allow the SA to be brought up at the 2nd trial. The same judge from the 1st trial who previously allowed it. Just kind of convenient they knew what they needed to leave out in the 2nd trial to get convictions.
@@becca0912 the letter seemed like planted evidence to me he wasn’t even close to that cousin
@@strangerthings88yep. I didn’t believe their bs in trial and don’t believe them now. Remorseless killers who believe they are smarter than everyone (but are actually quite stupid)
@@strangerthings88 totally planted.
Pictures of them waist down and naked with extra focus on their genitals. As babies. All their teachers, coaches, etc had crazy stories about how they behaved and off behavior from the father. Experts explained that there were too many symptoms of abuse that the boys really shouldn't even know to fake because people don't just know that. For example Lyle, due to extreme stress, is bald. That's not real hair. Erik has a hearing disability that his teachers noted and told his parents if he got treatment early it would go away. His mother outright refused and he continued to have trouble. Even on the stand he would regularly mishear questions.
Also no male, ESPECIALLY at that time, would choose to claim their father and mother raped them. Even now many don't believe males can be abused or assaulted. If you actually hear testimony, Erik has TOO many details for it to be lie and also justifies or underplays acts of abuse from his parents because he didn't recognize how bad it was. Lyle has a lot of childlike mannerisms, which is a symptom of extreme abuse as a child
There are many "people," including myself, who has been SA, yet "We" are not murderers. The shopping spree shortly after the fact was very telling.
I have seen quite a few kids who kill their parents when they turn 18 as no one would believe them. When the parents are rich and powerful no one will intervene. If they do they use their job
Someone once told me they knew someone that could make something happen to my abuser and just say the word. The word was NO!!!
ELLOS FUERON VÍCTIMAS DE LOS PADRE POR TANTO ABUSO PEDOFILIA
The mother too?
They need rehabilitation for institutionalized victims of this judicial system it’s barbaric and wrong to lock people in bars send our men home and educate them obviously there’s a problem here
It’s not barbaric to incarcerate people!!
And EDUCATION does not fix evil, silly person!
Why didn’t they just move out and live far away from the parents, they were adults at the time.
They were adults. The could have left their home anytime, but they wanted their parents money. They also went on a shopping spree after the killings showing they were nothing but a pair of brats
they should never have been allowed to father children in prison for murder that is absolutely disgusting!!!!!! never should happen!!!!!!
They have kids!
Yeah, what??? Really???
They should Excape the prison !!😂😂😂
Baloney. If their father did abuse them, that is wrong, but they were both adults and could have left the home. A pair of psychopaths.
You make “moving out” sound simple. I was also abused, and brainwashed to believe that I had no options, that I couldn’t survive without my parents, and that I would be a total failure if I did anything other than what my parents demanded of me. Even so, almost 40 years later, my biggest regret in life is not telling my parents to go duck themselves and escaping with my life.
Those two will never see the light of day. If they were so terrified of their parents they would have not been robbing their friends parents of over 100k in cash and other valuables, they wouldn’t have been screwing up in college and getting suspended and looking at expulsion, and they definitely wouldn’t be goofing off at their dad’s company which led to employees reporting them to Dad. That doesn’t sound like scared “boys” to me. What I do see is how Lyle influenced his younger brother Erik to help him commit crimes as a teen and kill their parents once Lyle was disinherited. Also, why shoot mom so many times as she was trying to crawl away from them? I’m not buying their sob story and I’m glad the JURY didn’t either.
True.. but Kim K will save them... the world gone mad
This has absolutely nothing to do with them murdering their parents and in the way they were murdered...👀👂👂
The boys behaviour before, during and after the murders spoke volumes.
I don't think I'd behave like every Tom, Dick and Harry after being abused and groomed my whole life.
They can say whatever but their parents are not here to defend themselves. I hope they never get their freedom.