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@@crawlerballer Easy to say, but when you fear for your life, it isn't that easy. Do you know how many child abuse victims there are that have police and child services visit their homes to "check on them" and nothing ever happens. The system does not work to protect children. Unfortunately, nothing ever happens until the parents finally succeed in killing their children. Then they end up all over the news..
Even if they gave each other a smooch on the face, it doesn't make them incest. With that said, Ryan Murphy is a repulsive human being. He said some really awful things in response to Erik's statement about the show particularly portraying Lyle as a psycho, which he isn't in real life. He basically told them to stop "acting like victims."
I keep seeing people say this so I watched the show. I didn't see that at all. The journalist is the one who said it. The journalist talking to his friends around dinner is suppose to narrate what the media and country were theorizing at the time. It was brilliant the way they did that so you could really feel what everyone else felt during that time. The country and media were the ones theorizing the incest relationship.
it's so sad and angering that their shopping spree was never looked at from the perspective of a traumatized person, but immediately labeled as greedy. if i were in their place i would try to dissociate and escape reality as well, and spending money is an easy way to get that stimulation quickly. it's such a common coping mechanism! i'm not surprised that it wasn't taken into account, given the prejudices and lack of understanding at that time, but it's sad regardless.
Exactly! With the means and access readily available, it would be the most tempting avenue to self-soothing and you nailed it! Escape from the reality of their horrific situation. I am praying for their release. ❤️
Um-hmmm - maybe they didn't murder and spend all that money because they cared so much about money. Maybe they did it all because they didn't care at all.
As if the abuse throughout the boys lives wasn’t bad enough, that judge Weisberg created the most despicable injustice in those boys lives. He needs to be made responsible for his crimes.
@@dimitrabouzalas3090 ever watch the injustice done to Jerome Walter Kowalski? Crime Watch Daily did a 1-3 series on his case, YT. I can’t agree with you more!!! The judge in this case DID do time and lost her law license.
Even if they were spending all their dad‘s money, it is still no worse or different than what gypsy Blanchard did. She ended her mother and then rated her safe. Somehow gypsy only got eight years, though, and is now out here living her best life making, big money off of ending her mom. It just doesn’t make sense that these guys are still in jail for life for the very same thing. Somebody else only got eight years for.
Thats what gender inequality still in practice is,Ppl go on yapping abt gender equality but there’s actually been no change in the society internally or in the backstage unlike things what we see everyday
@@aphiwemeleni4087I did not see any theories. What you have is a lot of the brothers’ cheerleaders that only heard the defense side of the trial and that is the expectation of how they wanted to see the show. They refused to see blatant facts like 101 defense witnesses testified yet none of were willing to attest to seeing or hearing the mother abuse the brothers. We are supposed to pretend like the brothers only killed Jose snd the prosecutors evidence and prosecution testimonies do not exist
It seems like many people are treating this Netflix series as a completely accurate account of events, when in fact, I believe Ryan Murphy is telling the story from multiple perspectives, not just Erik and Lyle’s. This not only heightens the drama-since it is a drama series-but also encourages viewers to explore the case further, as the differing viewpoints offer vastly contrasting narratives. Ultimately, it's the viewer's responsibility to research the facts themselves and not let a TV show shape their judgment entirely.
he made lyle seem like a complete narcissist and yes at the start of the show, he was showing different perspectives which confused me too on why people were saying that Ryan had made them look like bad guys till after the murder (in the show), they started making the brothers look like liars, narcissists and complete psychopaths'. They had one specific scene where after the trial, lyle was seen lying
Even if the show was inaccurate, the boys relatives all back up the fact that Jose was a horrific parent and more than one day the boys told them of the abuse years earlier. They did commit the crime and possibly were partially financially motivated. But life without parole when the crimes were committed at a young age under awful circumstances is not just. 5 to 10 years would be just
Both boys were legally adults , but I believe the abuse claims , after watching the Netflix documentary (not the monster series ) . Regardless, I think it is time to free them .
@@kristinebarbaree2697 legally adults yeah, but both young enough that their brains weren't fully developed yet. Not to mention warped by years of abuse.
idk even if they were abused they were adults and could have went to the authorities. if they didn’t want to because of the money, that means they did it for the money
@@nv4219 Children don't just run to the authorities. Have you never heard abused children stories before? They normally tend to keep it within the family because of shame and fear. Doesn't matter how old they are. Their dad was rich and had authority over them. You obviously know nothing about the psyche and behavior of abused children/adults. Educate yourself before spewing ignorance.
@@user-eb9ct6pk4r In “The Menendez Brothers,” a new documentary, the two men speak in extended interviews about what happened in the 1989 murder of their parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez, inside the family’s Beverly Hills mansion.
Netflix should not be allowed to show whatever they like. I was particularily disturbed to see the brothers making out. The director could have spared us from that torture. Who wants to see siblings making out?? It seemed like the director was playing out his fantasy..
12:25 100% false. The brothers absolutely left the house after the murders. They went to AMC Century City to try and get tickets to Batman but the theatre would only sell them tickets to the later show, as is shown in Monsters. They then also went to Taste of LA but were too late to meet their friend. When they returned home they could not believe that the neighbors had not called the police after the shootings, so they staged the 911 call.
No, because this man stated they didnt leave their home on the series , but that is false, Netflix does show them leaving, getting movie tickets and going to a bar,.... @comnandmentsdeadlysins
It is very telling that the judge allowed the Ozeil evidence to be presented in court, despite very strict professional standards, and yet he disallowed the all important s.. abuse evidence.
In 1982, when Erik and Lyle were about twelve and fifteen, their cousin Diane Vander Molen stayed with the Menendez family for the summer. One night, the three cousins began to playfully wrestle. Suddenly and without warning, Lyle and Erik began to undress Diane. Without saying a word, the brothers tied her up and stripped off her shirt. Diane screamed and the brothers retreated from their attack. The brothers had attacked her like a pack of dogs, with no warning. As suddenly as the attack had begun, it ended. Around the same time, Diane experienced another attack. This time, she and Lyle were watching television. Without warning, Lyle struck. He climbed on top of her and began to fondle her breasts. Like the attack that came earlier, she had not enticed Lyle and the attack ceased as soon as she was able free herself.
@@HalfNHalf.July 1988, Erik and Lyle began breaking into homes in Calabasas. The brothers burglarized the homes owned by parents of their friends and were surprised by the large amounts of cash and jewelry that they were able to steal. The brothers had found an easy source of spending money, rather than having to ask Jose for a hand out, or listen Jose lecture about hard work
It's a trip down memory lane for those of us who were kids in the 90s when this all went down, particularly the OJ Simpson cameo, and the choice of the (overrated) Milli Vanilli hit "I'm Gonna Miss You" for the soundtrack is also a nice bit of symbolism.
@@kthxciao1465 I never said it was random, I said it was symbolic. Much like the Menendez bros, Milli Vanilli were also two young men were exposed trying to hide the fact they weren't who everyone thought they were.
This was an egregious miscarriage of justice that the prosecutor limited the evidence of abuse in the second trial. It was abundantly clear those boys were always telling the truth about the abuse. How many victims of one powerful man does it take for the criminal justice system to believe the truth?
Yes, when much of this settles down, I’d love to find out more about how he treated Kitty, and how much he may have been responsible for her mental condition.
The show was a disgusting exaggeration It should’ve been called “Monsters: the Jose and Kitty Menendez story” because they were the real monsters. Not Lyle and Erik.
The Menendez brothers were never abused, but society today looks for any excuse to free criminals, enough of using the excuse of SA or mental problems to free these murderers.Please stop lying, they were never abused, these men traveled all over the world, they were never prisoners or abused, they killed their parents when the father told them they would be left out of the will, the only one who would benefit if Jose died was the mother, that is why they killed her too.
@@MsAngelLenIn 1982, when Erik and Lyle were about twelve and fifteen, their cousin Diane Vander Molen stayed with the Menendez family for the summer. One night, the three cousins began to playfully wrestle. Suddenly and without warning, Lyle and Erik began to undress Diane. Without saying a word, the brothers tied her up and stripped off her shirt. Diane screamed and the brothers retreated from their attack. The brothers had attacked her like a pack of dogs, with no warning. As suddenly as the attack had begun, it ended. Around the same time, Diane experienced another attack. This time, she and Lyle were watching television. Without warning, Lyle struck. He climbed on top of her and began to fondle her breasts. Like the attack that came earlier, she had not enticed Lyle and the attack ceased as soon as she was able free herself.
I think the Netflix Show was not a proper way to show the personalities of Lyle and Erik. Lyle seems like a angry and cold men, which he wasn't in Court at all. In my opinion the Show was a catastrophy
@@leslieacoca5876 the crime that was done was one of the most horrific things that Netflix portrayed accurately they shot their parents to death with a shot gun
I actually stopped watching it because of the amount of things they got wrong or just totally made up. Exactly why I don’t usually watch dramatizations, I won’t be trying again
This is why I won't even watch it. As soon as I heard Netflix was going to portray the brothers as lovers rather than children traumatized by years of abuse and SA at the hands of their own father. I don't want to encourage that kind of distorted "documentary" making either. Blah
@@HedeWho Exactly, the moment they tried to portray that I stopped. I’m sure my stopping won’t affect them much but I didn’t want to feel like I was encouraging it.
@@Areniapixie yeah I had to stop when they were making Lyle look like he was just making it up and that he was a brilliant actor like come on that crying wasn’t fake like no one could fake that look in there eyes
To clarify. You’re saying they never went to the movies and tried to buy tickets to a showing that had already started (to manufacture an alibi) and were told that was not possible? If so, I don’t believe that. That narrative of them going to the movies has been very consistent and Lyle himself says they did that in interviews.
I swear I was just thinking that when he said "they never left the house after the murder" SMDH. You see how still in 2024 these platforms are still being irresponsible and careless and not *properly and accurately* educating themselves.
Immediately after the killings, both brothers remained in the house for a few minutes, expecting the police to respond due to the noise of the gunshots.[35] They left to dispose of their clothes that were stained with blood, and later buried the shotguns somewhere along Mulholland Drive. They also went to a movie theater and attempted to purchase tickets for the film Batman to use as their alibi but abandoned the plan due to the timestamp on the ticket stub.[36] They then headed to the "Taste of L.A." festival at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium.[37] After returning home and finding no police presence, Lyle called 911 and emotionally told the operator, "someone killed my parents", saying that he had just come home and discovered their bodies.
they didn't show how their dad reacted when he finds out lyle was told about erik's abuse, which then prompted them to believe they were going to be killed. rather, it made it seem like it was all in their head and everything was peachy keen between the mom and dad. i felt that was the most crucial piece of the story that was left out.
Erik's most important relationship at Calabasas High was with Craig CignarelliCraig and Erik spent a great deal of time together and wrote a third rate screenplay entitled Friends. The script was a sixty-two-page thriller about a son from a wealthy family who reads his parents' will and learns that upon their deaths, he will inherit $157 million.
@@nellym.6555 "Baralt said that in June or July, 1989, Jose Menendez, who was his brother-in-law, told him of his plans for the will. He wanted to leave Erik and Lyle off the will,” Baralt said. “I did express some concern about how he would tell them. . . . He said he already had.”" The Los Angeles Times, 10/28/1993
@@florencepi They were never prisoners or abused, they killed their parents when the father told them they would be left out of the will, the only one who would benefit if Jose died was the mother, that is why they killed her too.
Well, Id rather die than have the chi ldhood that they had...and then to spend life in prison. No thanks.h Mine was bad , and the effects of it are perha ps worse. B ut it looks like a walk in the park compared to that of these boys. For a long time I wished my dad would have killed me. Another point is th at for Jose and Kitty, Im sure theyd rather be dead than to face the humiliation of prosecution and prison. Both of them sa d those boys and both were unusually cruel to them.
I think this series is terribly wrong. Before watching it, I didn't know anything about this case. After watching, I had one conclusion: there is no evidence of molestation and boys probably made it up as they were convincing their relatives to testify in their favor. After watching few videos about real case, I am finding out that there is a ton of evidence of mole*tation. If I remember well, all they mentioned in the series was a picture of naked kids, and that's what many parents did back then. Now I'm finding out kid's penis on the photo was er*cted that's not normal!!!
@@Lamont_Smythe They were completely broke by the second trial so I beg to differ lmfao. 😂 Their family members still stood by their side with that as well, and still had other witnesses.
It’s not true that “they never left”. They said they waited for a while expecting neighbors to have called police and when they didn’t they left to hide the guns and create an alibi.
The show was pure camp and voyeurism... and says more about Ryan Murphy than it does the facts of the story. It's unwatchable and is hopefully the nail the in coffin of the "Ryan Murphy" treatment of true crime.
I’ve been watching your videos since they’ve started and I’ve always felt like you’ve been a reliable source of information. After this reporting I don’t trust that you fully do your research. This video is titled “everything” they got wrong and it doesn’t even graze the amount of misinformation in that show. You pronounce both therapists names wrong and get a simple fact, easily researchable wrong. They did leave the house after the murders. Jesse are you biased on this case or just not putting in the work?
His mispronunciation of Oziel was surprising. It’s pronounced “oh-zeal”. Oziel was responsible for getting the Menendez brothers arrested and subsequently found guilty. You would think Law & Crime would be able to catch his mispronunciation before airing this video.
It´s easy to say they could have gone to the authorities untill you are in their shoes. Fear,Anger, confusion, pain, shame, family honour.... just to name but a few. Jose and katty in my opinion are the real Monsters here. They´ve done their time, let them go.
Those young boys were failed and I think they shouldn’t be locked up any longer. I think if they were going to have a punishment it should’ve been well over by now. This is coming from a kid who was also physically abused their whole life by their parents. No, I did not hurt my parents, but I understand where those kids are coming from and the cops failed me multiple times how many times I called the cops on my mom, smashing my head into a tile and I was the one being told that I was going to be taken to Juvie because I hit my mom back while she was strangling me. The system does fail children and I absolutely agree what they did to their parents and I’m not gonna lie and anyone who wants to tell me I’m wrong for that. I’ll take it but I get it because I was a kid that was failed by law-enforcement literally my whole life how are you gonna tell a fifth grader that they are wrong for hitting their mother back when their mother was choking them, and smashed their head into tile With my grandma as a witness on my side, the cops still told me I was wrong So honestly, those boys need to be freed and any of the people who put them away for as long as they went away need consequences to in my opinion and again I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m wrong. I am coming from where they came from so my opinion is my opinion and I feel as if it’s right and I won’t accept anything else.
Thank you for your moving sharing. I’m so sorry for what you went through and how the system failed you. I hope all this coming to light gives you strength, and thank you- your sharing is a huge contribution to making the lives of other children safer.
Not at all. I personally wasn't pushing for their release because of the series. Long before the series even came out or it was even a thought, I was praying, wishing and rooting for them to be released. Since I found out about the sa allegations and read on the topic, I felt appalled for what they were put through. There are many clues that tell us they are telling the truth like Lyle's hair loss. What made me even more keen on this was finding out about what happened to the Menudo member at the hands of Jose Menendez.
In the 1980s, when this crime took place, the "abuse" defense was becoming common. "Battered Wife Syndrome" and abuse by parents were quite common. In fact, they were becoming "abused" by defense attorneys. That is most likely why the judge would not allow that defense.
Just cause your cute doesn’t mean you can’t be a murder. Abuse is sad but doesn’t justify the killings. Then they lied and went on a shopping spree. They actually was wailing on the phone accusing someone else of killing their parents that’s horrible.
@@StubbyLegz I’m mad he wasn’t more disrespectful because who cares how you feel about it? You’re a murderer doing life in prison with no parole lol you people are a joke
Erik deserves no respect. They killed their parents in such a horrific manner and continue to kill their characters decades after. What did their mother do to deserve 9 shots at close range?
By real footage what are u referring to there is not true evidence that they were abused just here say doesn’t mean it didn’t happen but we can’t be completely sure what is entirely true
Well, abuse or not, it still is premeditated murder. They were old enough to go away. No one in their right mind having the chance to escape that situation would just stay, go take time to buy shotguns, plan alibis, wait around and commit cold blood murder. They perhaps were abused, but they chose to plan and carry out a murder to take out their parents and enjoy their money. How many teenagers escape abusive parents and run to the streets? The "groomed to stay at home" doesn't make any sense.
I agree 100 percent. The father bought Lyle a condo, bought both brothers cars, paid their college tuition, gave them money, financed their international vacations they went on without their parents, etc. NEITHER brother had a valid reason for still being in that house. The parents even changed the locks and refused to give them a key yet Erik testified he "found new ways to break in the house." Locked doors mean go away. Condos are supposed to be lived in. Cars are meant to be driven. College is meant to be attended.
@@Salee-ze7qt sorry if you were abused, but feeling have no place here. And that's still premeditated murder, they planned it. You don't get to use the abuse excuse to commit a carefully planned murder. It's not the same as if you are defending yourself in an actual attack, they planned it and attacked themselves. Murder is murder, there's no excusing it.
@@S.BlondeErik was in High school at the time. He wasn’t allowed to leave the house for college and that’s when he told Lyle about the ongoing abuse. Erik thought his dad would send him college like Lyle but he was to stay at home. Sad
@@ihaveadreamformykids4400 That is NOT true. Timelines and irrefutable ACTIONS do NOT lie. People lie. The entire Beverly Hills High School Class of 1989 Commencement Ceremony is on here and you clearly see Erik graduating with his father in the audience and this took place a few months before August 20th the crime date. There is no corroboration for Erik's claim that his parents wanted him to stay at home and go to college when the parents' irrefutable ACTIONS prove the exact opposite. The parents filled out numerous college applications for Erik, the father pulled strings at UC Berkely which is 6 hours away for Erik to get accepted there, the parents changed the house locks and refused to give Erik a key. Erik and Lyle are only 3 and a half years apart and ALWAYS lived in the same house except for the last two years. How is it possible this alleged abuse was going on and Lyle did not hear it or know about it and the live in maids did not see or hear it or see any signs of it yet everyone knew about Erik's relations with Craig when Craig did not live there?
There are people who are abused but don't kill their parents in this heinous manner. What has happened is that these guys are now old enough to deeply regret their actions and are hoping to convince everyone they should be released.
Nah they have had the same story since the beginning. I don't think that they regret it anymore than they did back then. Their dad was molesting them and treating them horribly. It does not matter if some people wouldn't have killed their abusers. Their mom was beyond complicit. I think that they've done enough time.
@@TheMariemarie16 They were Lying then and they are Lying now. They were Not Molested. That Lie was Manufactured for their Defense. This Lie has been completely Proven to be a Lie.
Every abuse is different. Don’t disregard what a powerful man Jose was. Top executive at RCA, connections to powerful people- who would listen to the boys?
@@Killersushiofficialimagine making no logical point whatsoever but feeling morally superior. I don't think they are a danger to society. Statistically the chances of reoffending in cases of domestic homicide against an abuser are basically nearly zero. Especially since the brothers have zero history of violent behaviour before or after the tragic incident. For who do you think legal categories such as manslaughter and self defence and chances of rehabilitation exist for if you think abused children acting against abusers should reveive the harshest sentencing the system has to offer and not even have a chance of parole!? People (bullys) like you are more dangerous to society because you are directly supportive of abuse systems and their arguments.....
@@Salee-ze7qt LOL, imagine being so gullible and delusional, believing that you control their minds and movements and that you exactly know their every move till the day they die. PLEASE!!! Go marry both of them already.💀
So far everything I’ve looked up down to them playing hangman in the courtroom actually happens so the guy that made this Netflix show really did his research
Why would a series have to lie about anything that could be proven? They killed their parents over greed! Kids have killed parents over finding out about grades, been kicked out of school, they didn't like their rules, boyfriend, girlfriends i do believe that kids are sa but not these two!
This video says the brothers never left the home after the killings but that is false, they did leave, they ditched their guns and did go to a theater and a restaurant. Also, one discrepancy that isn't pointed out is the whole scene in the show about the safe. That never happened, what did happen regarding the will was Jose's computer was wiped by a computer tech that the uncle hired to hopefully find a will on the PC.
That’s what “imperfect self defense” is. It’s manslaughter. Which is what they should have gotten, but the judge only gave the jurors the option of guilty and life in prison, or innocent and go free. He also didn’t allow any of the abuse evidence into the second trial, which is complete injustice. A jury should have ALL the facts of the case.
I see so many people outraged about their imprisonment. It makes me wonder… Because we see more and more kids, young kids below 18, who unalive their parents. Should abused children not be imprisoned for such extreme actions??
exactly, and they killed their parents because they felt that their life is in danger Is it because of excessive use of drugs (possible hallucinations)?
Watching the series on Netflix I did not expect 100% accuracy, and I did search hoping to find their statements on how accurately the whole thing was portrayed. (which brought me here) it is disappointing they were unhappy with the product, however I personally think the show did a wonderful job at highlighting just how much the court fumbled and how the mass public unrightfully perceived the case, especially at the time. Times have changed. I think their unhappiness with the show comes with the fact they have been robbed of life as things have progressed, and they have not watched other shows. They do not know the extent of the true crime community or even how much the public has truly shifted in SA awareness. I think they’re scared that this may ruin their public image and rightfully so considering they may have a chance at getting out.
I did not watch the series on Netflix,but I watched a documentary a couple of months ago and this is not that different from the Gypsy Rose case. Actually I think Gypsy is more dangerous than them as she seems to be very manipulative. They also were younger than her. Indeed she wasn’t the one who committed the crime,but still I don’t think they deserved this type of time in jail.
It is not about the series, is the documentary in Netflix by Alejandro Hartmann, where both brothers were interviewed, together with their former prosecutor, jurors and family talking on their behalf.
One thing you mention is incorrect. You say the brothers didn't leave the house after the murders. I just watched the real trial. They did indeed go to the movies. There is testimony of seeing Batman vs Licensed to Kill and one movie was sold out so they had to buy tickets for the other and then went to Taste of LA. For all Netflix got right that you mention, I doubt they would take narrative liberties with the actual night of the murders.
Erik says “Let the truth stand as the truth “. Well, the truth is you and your brother chose to murder your parents instead of just leaving home. You committed premeditated murder. That’s the truth.
@@sagemode6Both brother were over 18 and legally adults. If it wasn’t about the inheritance why didn’t they just leave their parents? All they had to do was leave their parents and get away from their grasp.
Hmm the fact that they were willing to even think about killing the psychologist to protect their secret, shows that they did not kill because they were abused and pushed to their breaking point. The psychologist didn’t abuse them yet they had no problem discussing taking his life to protect their secret.
They never threatened to kill the therapist. The therapist was a sleaze & reported back to Jose after each session. He broke patient & client confidentiality. Since 1997 he no longer had a license to practice psychology.
That so called threat to kill the therapist was manufactured by the therapist for his own benefit. Crime Weekly has done an excellent analysis on Ozeil. Very worth watching.
When you stated that the brothers never left the home after the murders That is untrue this testimony came from them that they waited for the police to come and arrest them even though nobody had called 911 Left the house and discarded their clothing and the shotguns and came back to the house and then called the police... And lying and said someone else shot their parents.
I think Ryan Murphy did an excellent job at dramatizing the case from all known perspectives. It was so well done. The scene where Erik tells Leslie about the molestations was incredibly well done. That actor is amazing. This series should result in the brothers’ freedom. Something besides money alone drove these brothers to kill. They will not kill again. They should go free.
Ummm, it’s a movie. The dead tell no lies! Not to say they weren’t but keep things in perspective. No one knows and what we do know got them imprisoned.
@@liveinthenow3571 I get that, but it is causing the DA to look at the case and decide if the alleged abuse was discounted too much in the second trial. Now with more possible corroborating evidence, will he decide manslaughter should have been on the table? That gets them off with time served. Ryan Murphy did an excellent job of presenting the two narratives: that the brothers killed for money or the brothers were abused. He does not come to a conclusion. I think the truth is in the middle, actually.
The more you stand back and look at the Ryan Murphy series and even the documentary you start to see more of why the “abuse” argument makes absolutely no sense at all. They were spoiled brats that did evil. Period. End of story.
So the second trial basically threw out half the evidence to get a conviction. Jurors were given a half story that gave the defense no credible defense.
I’m confused on if the abuse they claim was still going on when they were adults? Like why would it make sense for them to randomly do it then, instead of when it was happening. Only to then go and want to make up a story/alibi about it and spend money like nothing happened. Didn’t they stay in the house after too? If it was so awful why wouldn’t they leave? They were adults by then
@@LenaS-m90 It did occur to me . But then common sense kicks and says , no , it's not an excuse at all . Unless money comes into it , the adults had nothing lose .
@@stephsmanicshenanigans8017 Erik wanted to go to college in another state and his father said he would hurt him if he tried to get away. He was still s*xually abusing him after he graduated highschool
If you let them out then that means you have to let every killer out there out as well. Past abuse doesn’t justify slaughtering two people. Especially considering they were both in their 20’s when they did the deed and were well within their means to get away.
If they never left the house after the murders then how did they get rid of the evidence? The shotgun and the bloody clothes. The show admitted that the detectives regretted not having tested their hands for gunshot residue that night. Which doesn’t indicate that in real life a thorough search of the residence was indeed done. Just seems like the cops should have found something to incriminate the brothers if they’d stayed there the whole time
You are asking what did Netflix Monsters got wrong? Having Ryan Murphy getting involved with writing the story. The most overrated tv and movies creator, he is absolutely just horrible.
I definitely believe they were abused. But to premeditate murder to their parents, go back and reload to finish the job and then spend almost a million dollars after is psychotic behavior and they should absolutely be in prison!!
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Morgan. An Morgan u r my arourney and I told call about my kids u never looked into it
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The uncle testified that Jose punched one of them in the stomach when they were like 5 years old. There was so much abuse in that house of horror.
And this was in front of witnesses. Imagine what went on behind closed doors
Fr the testimony of Marta (jose's sister) explains how much their 'mother' took care of them
@@Certifiedpigeon_56
They shot her 10 times with a shotgun....
Punched Lyle for wetting himself after his father said something so horrible it terrified him.
They did there time let them out new trial
If this was two sisters it would have been a completely different verdict. It’s disgusting that abuse towards a male is judged differently.
@@scarletmontana7 they could have left any time and called the police
Yeah notice how all the men voted guilty in the first trial. Sickening.
@@crawlerballer
Exactly and or reported it.
@@crawlerballer Easy to say, but when you fear for your life, it isn't that easy. Do you know how many child abuse victims there are that have police and child services visit their homes to "check on them" and nothing ever happens. The system does not work to protect children. Unfortunately, nothing ever happens until the parents finally succeed in killing their children. Then they end up all over the news..
Idk if it would have been completely different. The girls would’ve gone to prison as well would be my guess
Ryan Murphy is terrible for the incestuous parts of the story. The dad did abuse them but they weren’t kissing each other.
Even if they gave each other a smooch on the face, it doesn't make them incest. With that said, Ryan Murphy is a repulsive human being. He said some really awful things in response to Erik's statement about the show particularly portraying Lyle as a psycho, which he isn't in real life. He basically told them to stop "acting like victims."
How do you know?
Yeah that was pretty gross to imply. Ryan Murphy is too over the top in a lot of his dramatized series
I keep seeing people say this so I watched the show. I didn't see that at all. The journalist is the one who said it. The journalist talking to his friends around dinner is suppose to narrate what the media and country were theorizing at the time. It was brilliant the way they did that so you could really feel what everyone else felt during that time. The country and media were the ones theorizing the incest relationship.
Agree
it's so sad and angering that their shopping spree was never looked at from the perspective of a traumatized person, but immediately labeled as greedy. if i were in their place i would try to dissociate and escape reality as well, and spending money is an easy way to get that stimulation quickly. it's such a common coping mechanism! i'm not surprised that it wasn't taken into account, given the prejudices and lack of understanding at that time, but it's sad regardless.
Yes and plus mom was a shopaholic
Excatly
Exactly! With the means and access readily available, it would be the most tempting avenue to self-soothing and you nailed it! Escape from the reality of their horrific situation. I am praying for their release. ❤️
Greed.
Um-hmmm - maybe they didn't murder and spend all that money because they cared so much about money. Maybe they did it all because they didn't care at all.
The more I learn about the second trial, the more I am sickened by Judge Stanley Weisberg. That judge needs to be brought to justice! 😰😡
@@dimitrabouzalas3090 same
Judge should’ve been recused from the trail. He was diaguatinf and bias. Those boys never had a chance.
why
@@itskeket21 agree!!!
J*wish judge? Everything makes sense now
Let the truth come out. Shame on any judges not allowing ALL evidence to come in!!
The judge in general is known to be lazy.
As if the abuse throughout the boys lives wasn’t bad enough, that judge Weisberg created the most despicable injustice in those boys lives. He needs to be made responsible for his crimes.
@@Lisay788Worse than lazy. Disallowing the most important evidence is evil.
@@dimitrabouzalas3090 ever watch the injustice done to Jerome Walter Kowalski? Crime Watch Daily did a 1-3 series on his case, YT. I can’t agree with you more!!! The judge in this case DID do time and lost her law license.
BS EVIDENCE
Even if they were spending all their dad‘s money, it is still no worse or different than what gypsy Blanchard did. She ended her mother and then rated her safe. Somehow gypsy only got eight years, though, and is now out here living her best life making, big money off of ending her mom. It just doesn’t make sense that these guys are still in jail for life for the very same thing. Somebody else only got eight years for.
Thats what gender inequality still in practice is,Ppl go on yapping abt gender equality but there’s actually been no change in the society internally or in the backstage unlike things what we see everyday
Gypsy being out is wrong too. They all belong in prison.
I didn’t think that was fair either. Doesn’t mean the brothers should also get less time
@@WhatsUp-zi6wrthe brothers have done enough time. She has not.
@@WhatsUp-zi6wr shes wrong bc she killed her mom that had made her suffer for years ?? ok
Those kids were victims of CSA & it’s heartbreaking that media/ tv shows ignore that part. Which played a huge part in the crime
They have every motivation to lie about that. And even if it was true it doesn't give them the right to kill both of their parents with shotguns.
My interpretation of the show is that ryan murphy was trying to show all the different theories in one timeline.
He should have told the story as it is without bringing his theory
@@aphiwemeleni4087 Murphy is a drama queen so it's expected.
I too thought the same thing
@@stephenhill3286 and how you basically can’t trust anyone and everyone tells their story how they please 😌
@@aphiwemeleni4087I did not see any theories. What you have is a lot of the brothers’ cheerleaders that only heard the defense side of the trial and that is the expectation of how they wanted to see the show. They refused to see blatant facts like 101 defense witnesses testified yet none of were willing to attest to seeing or hearing the mother abuse the brothers. We are supposed to pretend like the brothers only killed Jose snd the prosecutors evidence and prosecution testimonies do not exist
The actors who portrayed the brothers extremely talented and perfectly fit for the role
They looked far too old for me. Looked like 30 some year old actors portraying teenager/young adult.
@@TheAmtwhite both of the actors are under 30….
The incestuous scenes were disgusting!
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Thank you for mentioning that. I won’t watch it now that I know, it will really trigger me.
Poor guys 😢
Literally made me sick to my stomach. Anybody who has siblings will understand
Ryan's Murphy putting his p£rv£rt£d fantasies in a film.
They're only in there because they portray the opinions of a hack journalist lol
It seems like many people are treating this Netflix series as a completely accurate account of events, when in fact, I believe Ryan Murphy is telling the story from multiple perspectives, not just Erik and Lyle’s. This not only heightens the drama-since it is a drama series-but also encourages viewers to explore the case further, as the differing viewpoints offer vastly contrasting narratives. Ultimately, it's the viewer's responsibility to research the facts themselves and not let a TV show shape their judgment entirely.
Except that Ryan Murphy didn't do that. He invented a LOT of things that weren't true and never happened, especially when it came to Lyle.
he made lyle seem like a complete narcissist and yes at the start of the show, he was showing different perspectives which confused me too on why people were saying that Ryan had made them look like bad guys till after the murder (in the show), they started making the brothers look like liars, narcissists and complete psychopaths'. They had one specific scene where after the trial, lyle was seen lying
You do realize that Lyle did attempt to unsuccessfully solicit perjurious witness statements from jail which would help his case…
Great comment 👍
@saritabonita13 finally, someone who understood the show, people are treating it as a statement of fact.
Even if the show was inaccurate, the boys relatives all back up the fact that Jose was a horrific parent and more than one day the boys told them of the abuse years earlier. They did commit the crime and possibly were partially financially motivated. But life without parole when the crimes were committed at a young age under awful circumstances is not just. 5 to 10 years would be just
I agree
Both boys were legally adults , but I believe the abuse claims , after watching the Netflix documentary (not the monster series ) . Regardless, I think it is time to free them .
@@kristinebarbaree2697 I agree!
@@kristinebarbaree2697 legally adults yeah, but both young enough that their brains weren't fully developed yet. Not to mention warped by years of abuse.
@@peacebaby914 true , but just think of the boys younger than them who went to war back in the day , some just 14 or 15 yrs old .
Seems like their dad really did abuse them... What they did was wrong, but theyve done enough time.. Almost 30 years. I say let them out.
35 years!
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More than enough!!
idk even if they were abused they were adults and could have went to the authorities. if they didn’t want to because of the money, that means they did it for the money
@@nv4219 Children don't just run to the authorities. Have you never heard abused children stories before? They normally tend to keep it within the family because of shame and fear. Doesn't matter how old they are. Their dad was rich and had authority over them. You obviously know nothing about the psyche and behavior of abused children/adults. Educate yourself before spewing ignorance.
Netflix also just made a documentary about the brothers with all the people who were there ! Actual facts not a dramatization.😊
How I find the documentary on Netflix?
@@user-eb9ct6pk4r In “The Menendez Brothers,” a new documentary, the two men speak in extended interviews about what happened in the 1989 murder of their parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez, inside the family’s Beverly Hills mansion.
Yeah but it’s still quite simplified and I think it doesn’t focus on all the important things. But at least it’s there!
@@user-eb9ct6pk4r Search...duh
@@user-eb9ct6pk4r It is called The Menendez Brothers | Netflix
I don’t trust Netflix with documentaries
this isn't a documentary
@@hehasnolips1371 How about anything made from Nutflicks...like Making a Murderer?
Tubi is better. It's free
@@hehasnolips1371there’s also a documentary on Netflix as well as the series
That’s great but it’s a fictional DRAMA just like the OJ one with David Schwimmer
Netflix should not be allowed to show whatever they like. I was particularily disturbed to see the brothers making out. The director could have spared us from that torture. Who wants to see siblings making out?? It seemed like the director was playing out his fantasy..
Yes, it was disturbing! Anyone involved in the series got the idea from Dominick Dunne who speculated there was incest btw Lyle & Erik.
I'd be concerned that the people who watched the series think the brothers should go free.
@@aaronsakhai huh? wdym. They deserve to be free.
@@ivyw1tch No, they don't.
They were blatantly in an incestous relationship. Sorry if you don’t like facts
12:25 100% false. The brothers absolutely left the house after the murders. They went to AMC Century City to try and get tickets to Batman but the theatre would only sell them tickets to the later show, as is shown in Monsters. They then also went to Taste of LA but were too late to meet their friend. When they returned home they could not believe that the neighbors had not called the police after the shootings, so they staged the 911 call.
Because you were there or Netflix told you do you know the whole truth? Curious as I know nothing except what I have personally experienced.
Because the Police Department Established this!!!! This was Proven in Court!!!!
@@comnandmentsdeadlysinsit's called reading the facts of the case.
@@comnandmentsdeadlysinsThis case is old, its not difficult to find the facts.
No, because this man stated they didnt leave their home on the series , but that is false, Netflix does show them leaving, getting movie tickets and going to a bar,....
@comnandmentsdeadlysins
It is very telling that the judge allowed the Ozeil evidence to be presented in court, despite very strict professional standards, and yet he disallowed the all important s.. abuse evidence.
O’Zeil only testified in the first trial.
This entire case is so heart breaking. The fact these guys are still in prison is what hurts the most imo.
They belong in prison. Lying, thieving, murderers.
@@robbiess9635 Prison is where they belong
@@Lamont_SmytheYup! I know plenty of people who were abused. Some horribly abused, that never killed their abusers. Most people don't do this.
@@UnderTheShadowOfHisWingsw
They don’t belong in prison
It was an intriguing series, but they really did Lyle (especially) dirty.
Very
In 1982, when Erik and Lyle were about twelve and fifteen, their cousin Diane Vander Molen stayed with the Menendez family for the summer. One night, the three cousins began to playfully wrestle. Suddenly and without warning, Lyle and Erik began to undress Diane. Without saying a word, the brothers tied her up and stripped off her shirt. Diane screamed and the brothers retreated from their attack. The brothers had attacked her like a pack of dogs, with no warning. As suddenly as the attack had begun, it ended. Around the same time, Diane experienced another attack. This time, she and Lyle were watching television. Without warning, Lyle struck. He climbed on top of her and began to fondle her breasts. Like the attack that came earlier, she had not enticed Lyle and the attack ceased as soon as she was able free herself.
@@HalfNHalf.July 1988, Erik and Lyle began breaking into homes in Calabasas. The brothers burglarized the homes owned by parents of their friends and were surprised by the large amounts of cash and jewelry that they were able to steal. The brothers had found an easy source of spending money, rather than having to ask Jose for a hand out, or listen Jose lecture about hard work
@@nellym.6555 um, yes. We watched the series, which recreated that...
@@nellym.6555 Never heard this. Awful !
It's a trip down memory lane for those of us who were kids in the 90s when this all went down, particularly the OJ Simpson cameo, and the choice of the (overrated) Milli Vanilli hit "I'm Gonna Miss You" for the soundtrack is also a nice bit of symbolism.
Lyle chose 'Girl im gonna miss you' for the parents funeral. It wasnt a random choice by the movie makers.
@@kthxciao1465 I never said it was random, I said it was symbolic. Much like the Menendez bros, Milli Vanilli were also two young men were exposed trying to hide the fact they weren't who everyone thought they were.
@@OpEditorialyup one of their lives ended up tragically. Nowadays everyone lipsync
This was an egregious miscarriage of justice that the prosecutor limited the evidence of abuse in the second trial. It was abundantly clear those boys were always telling the truth about the abuse. How many victims of one powerful man does it take for the criminal justice system to believe the truth?
Boys? Don't you mean men?
@@leslieacoca5876check out what the psychologists say about stunted development of s.. abuse victims.
For anyone not interested in the Ad and would like to skip it.
It starts at 6:00 into the video and ends at 6:47
Real one 👍🏻
@@darthmagarth5614 No worries mate, I get that they want to have sponsors, but those along with YT's Ad's is overdoing it imo.
Oh thank so much mate!!
Right when I clicked to 6:47, I got two YTube ads back to back (but could skip after 5sec) 😂
Still, you’re the MVP🙌🏾👍🏾
@@EchoJ get that ad block asap
ONE mans sick and disgusting ways, caused pain for so many people. Just horrible.
Yes, when much of this settles down, I’d love to find out more about how he treated Kitty, and how much he may have been responsible for her mental condition.
The show was a disgusting exaggeration It should’ve been called “Monsters: the Jose and Kitty Menendez story” because they were the real monsters. Not Lyle and Erik.
😂😂😂 Educate
The Menendez brothers were never abused, but society today looks for any excuse to free criminals, enough of using the excuse of SA or mental problems to free these murderers.Please stop lying, they were never abused, these men traveled all over the world, they were never prisoners or abused, they killed their parents when the father told them they would be left out of the will, the only one who would benefit if Jose died was the mother, that is why they killed her too.
Yes! Lyle and Erik are the true victims here.
@@MsAngelLenIn 1982, when Erik and Lyle were about twelve and fifteen, their cousin Diane Vander Molen stayed with the Menendez family for the summer. One night, the three cousins began to playfully wrestle. Suddenly and without warning, Lyle and Erik began to undress Diane. Without saying a word, the brothers tied her up and stripped off her shirt. Diane screamed and the brothers retreated from their attack. The brothers had attacked her like a pack of dogs, with no warning. As suddenly as the attack had begun, it ended. Around the same time, Diane experienced another attack. This time, she and Lyle were watching television. Without warning, Lyle struck. He climbed on top of her and began to fondle her breasts. Like the attack that came earlier, she had not enticed Lyle and the attack ceased as soon as she was able free herself.
@@HalfNHalf. These brothers, they robbed, tried to abuse their cousin and planned how to murder their parents, they were never abused.
I think the Netflix Show was not a proper way to show the personalities of Lyle and Erik. Lyle seems like a angry and cold men, which he wasn't in Court at all. In my opinion the Show was a catastrophy
Um, I think Lyle actually went outside the house after emotying his gun into his parents to finish them off. Is that Warm and fuzzy?
@@leslieacoca5876 the crime that was done was one of the most horrific things that Netflix portrayed accurately they shot their parents to death with a shot gun
I actually stopped watching it because of the amount of things they got wrong or just totally made up. Exactly why I don’t usually watch dramatizations, I won’t be trying again
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fkng snnoying right
This is why I won't even watch it. As soon as I heard Netflix was going to portray the brothers as lovers rather than children traumatized by years of abuse and SA at the hands of their own father. I don't want to encourage that kind of distorted "documentary" making either. Blah
@@HedeWho Exactly, the moment they tried to portray that I stopped. I’m sure my stopping won’t affect them much but I didn’t want to feel like I was encouraging it.
@@Areniapixie yeah I had to stop when they were making Lyle look like he was just making it up and that he was a brilliant actor like come on that crying wasn’t fake like no one could fake that look in there eyes
They murdered their evil parents , now let them out.
Why do they get to go free when their parents aren’t alive anymore because of them…
@@Killersushiofficial They were bad people and they abuse them.
@@o_huskywolfdean7Doesn’t excuse or equate to vicious over-kill *m ur de r* in cold blood.
Murder is evil also.
@ So is abused.
To clarify. You’re saying they never went to the movies and tried to buy tickets to a showing that had already started (to manufacture an alibi) and were told that was not possible? If so, I don’t believe that. That narrative of them going to the movies has been very consistent and Lyle himself says they did that in interviews.
True!
I swear I was just thinking that when he said "they never left the house after the murder" SMDH. You see how still in 2024 these platforms are still being irresponsible and careless and not *properly and accurately* educating themselves.
@@nickoletcampbell4657 True. 🎯👍💯
@@nickoletcampbell4657 I know…that really irked me. So irresponsible!
Immediately after the killings, both brothers remained in the house for a few minutes, expecting the police to respond due to the noise of the gunshots.[35] They left to dispose of their clothes that were stained with blood, and later buried the shotguns somewhere along Mulholland Drive. They also went to a movie theater and attempted to purchase tickets for the film Batman to use as their alibi but abandoned the plan due to the timestamp on the ticket stub.[36] They then headed to the "Taste of L.A." festival at Santa Monica Civic Auditorium.[37]
After returning home and finding no police presence, Lyle called 911 and emotionally told the operator, "someone killed my parents", saying that he had just come home and discovered their bodies.
This series perfectly conveyed how trauma effects generations
@@JD-ht7yw it was incredibly reductive
they didn't show how their dad reacted when he finds out lyle was told about erik's abuse, which then prompted them to believe they were going to be killed. rather, it made it seem like it was all in their head and everything was peachy keen between the mom and dad. i felt that was the most crucial piece of the story that was left out.
But how do you know that really happened? It is only the word of the brothers. No witnesses, no evidence.
Erik's most important relationship at Calabasas High was with Craig CignarelliCraig and Erik spent a great deal of time together and wrote a third rate screenplay entitled Friends. The script was a sixty-two-page thriller about a son from a wealthy family who reads his parents' will and learns that upon their deaths, he will inherit $157 million.
@@marymckenna6482 ummmmmmm I think you need to do your research on menudo Roy rosello and Jose Melendez
@@nellym.6555 "Baralt said that in June or July, 1989, Jose Menendez, who was his brother-in-law, told him of his plans for the will. He wanted to leave Erik and Lyle off the will,” Baralt said. “I did express some concern about how he would tell them. . . . He said he already had.”" The Los Angeles Times, 10/28/1993
@@florencepi They were never prisoners or abused, they killed their parents when the father told them they would be left out of the will, the only one who would benefit if Jose died was the mother, that is why they killed her too.
I know the murder was awful but so was the abuse! That’s so disgusting they had to go through all that.
Well, Id rather die than have the chi ldhood that they had...and then to spend life in prison. No thanks.h
Mine was bad , and the effects of it are perha ps worse. B ut it looks like a walk in the park compared to that of these boys.
For a long time I wished my dad would have killed me.
Another point is th at for Jose and Kitty, Im sure theyd rather be dead than to face the humiliation of prosecution and prison. Both of them sa d those boys and both were unusually cruel to them.
What abuse? Prove it.
@nicolasmahone9303 prove that it didn't happen.
I think this series is terribly wrong. Before watching it, I didn't know anything about this case. After watching, I had one conclusion: there is no evidence of molestation and boys probably made it up as they were convincing their relatives to testify in their favor.
After watching few videos about real case, I am finding out that there is a ton of evidence of mole*tation. If I remember well, all they mentioned in the series was a picture of naked kids, and that's what many parents did back then. Now I'm finding out kid's penis on the photo was er*cted that's not normal!!!
What video did you watch that show the evidence?
They payed people to lie about their father.
@@Lamont_Smythe They were completely broke by the second trial so I beg to differ lmfao. 😂 Their family members still stood by their side with that as well, and still had other witnesses.
@@TheOfficialDirtyDan They literally did. They were found out. This is a fact.
Where was this letter 35 years Ago?????
@@NicolleFrancinni It didn’t exist. It’s a lie.
It’s not true that “they never left”. They said they waited for a while expecting neighbors to have called police and when they didn’t they left to hide the guns and create an alibi.
They killed their parents, attempted to cover up, went shopping and threatened to kill the therapist to silence him
But why tho ? Years and years of abuse
Their therapist was never threatened.
Did that horrific “Dr” lose his license after what he did? I hope so.
@@EffSharp According to what I read he never renewed his license after the trial. He knew he would lose it!
You’ve left out a mountain of evidence
Menendez brothers--> Geragos --> Kardashian --> Diddy. That's a disturbing path.
The show was pure camp and voyeurism... and says more about Ryan Murphy than it does the facts of the story. It's unwatchable and is hopefully the nail the in coffin of the "Ryan Murphy" treatment of true crime.
Very True!!!! I could not agree more.
People will keep watching his work. He’s laughing to the bank.
I thought it was pretty enjoyable
the incestous stuff between the brothers in the show was so distasteful
@@christyamar Exactly, that's one of the elements that seems to be a product of Ryan Murphy rather than an allegiance to telling a truthful story.
I’ve been watching your videos since they’ve started and I’ve always felt like you’ve been a reliable source of information. After this reporting I don’t trust that you fully do your research. This video is titled “everything” they got wrong and it doesn’t even graze the amount of misinformation in that show. You pronounce both therapists names wrong and get a simple fact, easily researchable wrong. They did leave the house after the murders. Jesse are you biased on this case or just not putting in the work?
Great Analysis!!!!
I felt the same...
I completely agree! Well said!
I’ve noticed they’ve been doing this tor other cases just like the Sheriff shooting the judge. They leave out other important information
His mispronunciation of Oziel was surprising. It’s pronounced “oh-zeal”. Oziel was responsible for getting the Menendez brothers arrested and subsequently found guilty. You would think Law & Crime would be able to catch his mispronunciation before airing this video.
The Lifetime network put out a movie based on them years ago and honestly, even that was more tasteful. It also included the toupee scene lol.
That's staying something too that Lifetime was more tasteful 😂 I agree 💯
I’m really enjoying this. The best explanation and evaluation I’ve seen
It´s easy to say they could have gone to the authorities untill you are in their shoes. Fear,Anger, confusion, pain, shame, family honour.... just to name but a few. Jose and katty in my opinion are the real Monsters here. They´ve done their time, let them go.
@@sb_vlogsde3778 Hear hear !
Well said 👌
Those young boys were failed and I think they shouldn’t be locked up any longer. I think if they were going to have a punishment it should’ve been well over by now.
This is coming from a kid who was also physically abused their whole life by their parents. No, I did not hurt my parents, but I understand where those kids are coming from and the cops failed me multiple times how many times I called the cops on my mom, smashing my head into a tile and I was the one being told that I was going to be taken to Juvie because I hit my mom back while she was strangling me.
The system does fail children and I absolutely agree what they did to their parents and I’m not gonna lie and anyone who wants to tell me I’m wrong for that. I’ll take it but I get it because I was a kid that was failed by law-enforcement literally my whole life how are you gonna tell a fifth grader that they are wrong for hitting their mother back when their mother was choking them, and smashed their head into tile
With my grandma as a witness on my side, the cops still told me I was wrong
So honestly, those boys need to be freed and any of the people who put them away for as long as they went away need consequences to in my opinion and again I don’t care if anyone thinks I’m wrong. I am coming from where they came from so my opinion is my opinion and I feel as if it’s right and I won’t accept anything else.
Thank you for your moving sharing. I’m so sorry for what you went through and how the system failed you. I hope all this coming to light gives you strength, and thank you- your sharing is a huge contribution to making the lives of other children safer.
Not at all. I personally wasn't pushing for their release because of the series. Long before the series even came out or it was even a thought, I was praying, wishing and rooting for them to be released. Since I found out about the sa allegations and read on the topic, I felt appalled for what they were put through. There are many clues that tell us they are telling the truth like Lyle's hair loss.
What made me even more keen on this was finding out about what happened to the Menudo member at the hands of Jose Menendez.
In the 1980s, when this crime took place, the "abuse" defense was becoming common. "Battered Wife Syndrome" and abuse by parents were quite common. In fact, they were becoming "abused" by defense attorneys. That is most likely why the judge would not allow that defense.
They were cute boys, their innocence are destroyed since their childhood
Just cause your cute doesn’t mean you can’t be a murder. Abuse is sad but doesn’t justify the killings. Then they lied and went on a shopping spree. They actually was wailing on the phone accusing someone else of killing their parents that’s horrible.
@@nekkwiill218 Not horrible lmao they didnt want to go to jail they wanted to be free from the shackled their parents had on them
Weird thing to say but okay.
Someone dropped you on your head at birth.
I was BLOWN away watching his parents getting demolished by those shotguns in MONSTERS. That was some crazy stuff right there
Ryan Murphy did them so dirty especially lyle
It’s a dramatized series based on theories not facts what did you expect?
What a disrespectful response to Erik’s statement by Ryan Murphy
He doesn't give a SH___. He's laughing all the way to the bank!
@@helenfong3339 I’m sure he is
@@StubbyLegz I’m mad he wasn’t more disrespectful because who cares how you feel about it? You’re a murderer doing life in prison with no parole lol you people are a joke
Erik deserves no respect. They killed their parents in such a horrific manner and continue to kill their characters decades after. What did their mother do to deserve 9 shots at close range?
@@shedokoye8314umm knowingly allowed her husband to abuse them..
Either they were the best actors of all time or they were truly living a horrifying life
Greed for money makes some people into the best actors ever.
It was all fake.
Why would anybody need to watch a series about their story? We have all the real footage from the past...horrifying!!!
By real footage what are u referring to there is not true evidence that they were abused just here say doesn’t mean it didn’t happen but we can’t be completely sure what is entirely true
His psychatrist in prison testified and was so clear as well that he has suffered from severe abuse.
Pure acting lol
Well, abuse or not, it still is premeditated murder. They were old enough to go away. No one in their right mind having the chance to escape that situation would just stay, go take time to buy shotguns, plan alibis, wait around and commit cold blood murder.
They perhaps were abused, but they chose to plan and carry out a murder to take out their parents and enjoy their money.
How many teenagers escape abusive parents and run to the streets? The "groomed to stay at home" doesn't make any sense.
I agree 100 percent. The father bought Lyle a condo, bought both brothers cars, paid their college tuition, gave them money, financed their international vacations they went on without their parents, etc. NEITHER brother had a valid reason for still being in that house. The parents even changed the locks and refused to give them a key yet Erik testified he "found new ways to break in the house." Locked doors mean go away. Condos are supposed to be lived in. Cars are meant to be driven. College is meant to be attended.
Learn about trauma before commenting. And further context of the case.
@@Salee-ze7qt sorry if you were abused, but feeling have no place here. And that's still premeditated murder, they planned it. You don't get to use the abuse excuse to commit a carefully planned murder. It's not the same as if you are defending yourself in an actual attack, they planned it and attacked themselves. Murder is murder, there's no excusing it.
@@S.BlondeErik was in High school at the time. He wasn’t allowed to leave the house for college and that’s when he told Lyle about the ongoing abuse. Erik thought his dad would send him college like Lyle but he was to stay at home. Sad
@@ihaveadreamformykids4400 That is NOT true. Timelines and irrefutable ACTIONS do NOT lie. People lie. The entire Beverly Hills High School Class of 1989 Commencement Ceremony is on here and you clearly see Erik graduating with his father in the audience and this took place a few months before August 20th the crime date. There is no corroboration for Erik's claim that his parents wanted him to stay at home and go to college when the parents' irrefutable ACTIONS prove the exact opposite. The parents filled out numerous college applications for Erik, the father pulled strings at UC Berkely which is 6 hours away for Erik to get accepted there, the parents changed the house locks and refused to give Erik a key. Erik and Lyle are only 3 and a half years apart and ALWAYS lived in the same house except for the last two years. How is it possible this alleged abuse was going on and Lyle did not hear it or know about it and the live in maids did not see or hear it or see any signs of it yet everyone knew about Erik's relations with Craig when Craig did not live there?
To the menendez brothers : WE BELIVE YOU !!!
So its okay to shotgun blast someone while they are watching TV if they've committed crimes in the past?
You’re everything that’s wrong with the jury system.
Love your fair coverage Jesse
There are people who are abused but don't kill their parents in this heinous manner. What has happened is that these guys are now old enough to deeply regret their actions and are hoping to convince everyone they should be released.
Nah they have had the same story since the beginning. I don't think that they regret it anymore than they did back then. Their dad was molesting them and treating them horribly.
It does not matter if some people wouldn't have killed their abusers. Their mom was beyond complicit. I think that they've done enough time.
@@TheMariemarie16 They were Lying then and they are Lying now. They were Not Molested. That Lie was Manufactured for their Defense. This Lie has been completely Proven to be a Lie.
You can't be THAT ignorant to think that all cases of abuse are the same smfh
They regretted it at the time and constantly talked about it during the case and in interviews.
Every abuse is different. Don’t disregard what a powerful man Jose was. Top executive at RCA, connections to powerful people- who would listen to the boys?
Not true that they never left their home. They did in fact go to taste of LA after the murders. Then came home and called 911
Imagine killing your own parents and then using the inheritance to fund a documentary to garner sympathy
Imagine being so ignorant to just spread gossip and think it's morally okay
@@Salee-ze7qt Imagine being so foolishly taken by someone’s looks, you want to free murderers back into society.
@@Killersushiofficialimagine making no logical point whatsoever but feeling morally superior. I don't think they are a danger to society. Statistically the chances of reoffending in cases of domestic homicide against an abuser are basically nearly zero. Especially since the brothers have zero history of violent behaviour before or after the tragic incident. For who do you think legal categories such as manslaughter and self defence and chances of rehabilitation exist for if you think abused children acting against abusers should reveive the harshest sentencing the system has to offer and not even have a chance of parole!? People (bullys) like you are more dangerous to society because you are directly supportive of abuse systems and their arguments.....
@@Salee-ze7qt LOL, imagine being so gullible and delusional, believing that you control their minds and movements and that you exactly know their every move till the day they die. PLEASE!!!
Go marry both of them already.💀
@@Salee-ze7qtThey are a danger. Sociopaths are VERY dangerous. Complete nutcases both of them.
Love this podcast ❤
So far everything I’ve looked up down to them playing hangman in the courtroom actually happens so the guy that made this Netflix show really did his research
This story is absolutely fascinating. So many intricacies.
I hope they get freed imagine going thru it again to not be let out.
Let’s not forget dr oziels sketchy background…
i guess they had no choice to just move out and work at mcdonalds like every other kid who doesn't get along with folks at home?
Thank you. Someone here has common sense. They are evil and need to stay locked up.
They were so abused and their mom failed them. I hope they are set free
That’s all a lie.
Why would a series have to lie about anything that could be proven? They killed their parents over greed! Kids have killed parents over finding out about grades, been kicked out of school, they didn't like their rules, boyfriend, girlfriends i do believe that kids are sa but not these two!
This video says the brothers never left the home after the killings but that is false, they did leave, they ditched their guns and did go to a theater and a restaurant. Also, one discrepancy that isn't pointed out is the whole scene in the show about the safe. That never happened, what did happen regarding the will was Jose's computer was wiped by a computer tech that the uncle hired to hopefully find a will on the PC.
People are so gullible. Especially fan-girls.
Seriously, that Dahmer show had girls sending their underwear to Dahmer's dad
It's not really "self defense" if at the time of the killing no one was doing anything to them.
That’s what “imperfect self defense” is. It’s manslaughter. Which is what they should have gotten, but the judge only gave the jurors the option of guilty and life in prison, or innocent and go free. He also didn’t allow any of the abuse evidence into the second trial, which is complete injustice. A jury should have ALL the facts of the case.
@@mirabelarmstrong433 "imperfect self defense" is pure nonsense.
It’s just murder. Stop complicating it. They are evil. Mom and dad were asleep on the couch. I have zero sympathy for these old demons.
“People said it did happen.” Um were these “ppl” there?
Nope. It’s all a lie.
I see so many people outraged about their imprisonment. It makes me wonder… Because we see more and more kids, young kids below 18, who unalive their parents. Should abused children not be imprisoned for such extreme actions??
exactly, and they killed their parents because they felt that their life is in danger
Is it because of excessive use of drugs (possible hallucinations)?
Watching the series on Netflix I did not expect 100% accuracy, and I did search hoping to find their statements on how accurately the whole thing was portrayed. (which brought me here) it is disappointing they were unhappy with the product, however I personally think the show did a wonderful job at highlighting just how much the court fumbled and how the mass public unrightfully perceived the case, especially at the time. Times have changed. I think their unhappiness with the show comes with the fact they have been robbed of life as things have progressed, and they have not watched other shows. They do not know the extent of the true crime community or even how much the public has truly shifted in SA awareness. I think they’re scared that this may ruin their public image and rightfully so considering they may have a chance at getting out.
I did not watch the series on Netflix,but I watched a documentary a couple of months ago and this is not that different from the Gypsy Rose case. Actually I think Gypsy is more dangerous than them as she seems to be very manipulative. They also were younger than her. Indeed she wasn’t the one who committed the crime,but still I don’t think they deserved this type of time in jail.
Gypsy Rose is creepy with her innocent squeaky voice. She manipulated her so-called BF to kill her mother. Now she's manipulating the men in her life.
It is not about the series, is the documentary in Netflix by Alejandro Hartmann, where both brothers were interviewed, together with their former prosecutor, jurors and family talking on their behalf.
At the end of the day they killed both parents in cold blood, if they were not financially motivated, why did they kill the mom? 🤷
Because she had knowledge of what their father was doing and allowed it & excused it
@@janedoe8717 regardless of abuse they murdered their parents in cold blood
@@nekkwiill218 you probably want Jose Menendez dead if you knew he did that to your child.
@@janedoe8717she was also one of Jose’s victims..she just couldn’t do what her sons did
@@loudpack8648were you there? No.
The family even testified that the spending spree wasn’t unusual because they usually spent that much money before the killings
Cold blooded killers. Life behind bars!
Agreed. They lied from the start.
I have been avoiding watching this, but now I need to check it out 😮
They were 18 and 21. They weren't kids
This isn't documentary series, this is TV show, we can't rely on it for telling us the truth.
One thing you mention is incorrect. You say the brothers didn't leave the house after the murders. I just watched the real trial. They did indeed go to the movies. There is testimony of seeing Batman vs Licensed to Kill and one movie was sold out so they had to buy tickets for the other and then went to Taste of LA. For all Netflix got right that you mention, I doubt they would take narrative liberties with the actual night of the murders.
Erik says “Let the truth stand as the truth “. Well, the truth is you and your brother chose to murder your parents instead of just leaving home. You committed premeditated murder. That’s the truth.
I wonder how you would act if you got graped by your own dad for years and years...
@@sagemode6Both brother were over 18 and legally adults. If it wasn’t about the inheritance why didn’t they just leave their parents? All they had to do was leave their parents and get away from their grasp.
@@petermj1098thank you. Common sense. They are murderers and liars.
Why call them Monsters?? Their brady parents especially Dad was the Real Monster.
Prove it.
Hmm the fact that they were willing to even think about killing the psychologist to protect their secret, shows that they did not kill because they were abused and pushed to their breaking point. The psychologist didn’t abuse them yet they had no problem discussing taking his life to protect their secret.
They never threatened to kill the therapist. The therapist was a sleaze & reported back to Jose after each session. He broke patient & client confidentiality. Since 1997 he no longer had a license to practice psychology.
That so called threat to kill the therapist was manufactured by the therapist for his own benefit.
Crime Weekly has done an excellent analysis on Ozeil. Very worth watching.
@@helenfong3339that’s because the boys were absolutely repulsive liars. Look at everything the dad had to cover up from what they did.
Netflix has been crap for a long time.
When you stated that the brothers never left the home after the murders
That is untrue this testimony came from them that they waited for the police to come and arrest them even though nobody had called 911
Left the house and discarded their clothing and the shotguns and came back to the house and then called the police...
And lying and said someone else shot their parents.
I think Ryan Murphy did an excellent job at dramatizing the case from all known perspectives. It was so well done. The scene where Erik tells Leslie about the molestations was incredibly well done. That actor is amazing. This series should result in the brothers’ freedom. Something besides money alone drove these brothers to kill. They will not kill again. They should go free.
I agree. Just I think money didn’t even enter their minds in bringing them to kill their parents. The abuse was so devastating for them.
Ummm, it’s a movie. The dead tell no lies! Not to say they weren’t but keep things in perspective. No one knows and what we do know got them imprisoned.
@@liveinthenow3571 I get that, but it is causing the DA to look at the case and decide if the alleged abuse was discounted too much in the second trial. Now with more possible corroborating evidence, will he decide manslaughter should have been on the table? That gets them off with time served. Ryan Murphy did an excellent job of presenting the two narratives: that the brothers killed for money or the brothers were abused. He does not come to a conclusion. I think the truth is in the middle, actually.
The more you stand back and look at the Ryan Murphy series and even the documentary you start to see more of why the “abuse” argument makes absolutely no sense at all. They were spoiled brats that did evil. Period. End of story.
José was standing up and yelled "no!!", they shot him from the entry and then Lyle went behind him. Get your facts straight! Source : trial
There was huge support for gypsy rose, she had no way out. Same for these guys. But they were guys so no sympathy.
So the second trial basically threw out half the evidence to get a conviction. Jurors were given a half story that gave the defense no credible defense.
Doesn't matter. They still slayed their parents. If family knew abuse was going on, any decent human being would have done something about it.
Totally agree!
I’m confused on if the abuse they claim was still going on when they were adults? Like why would it make sense for them to randomly do it then, instead of when it was happening. Only to then go and want to make up a story/alibi about it and spend money like nothing happened. Didn’t they stay in the house after too? If it was so awful why wouldn’t they leave? They were adults by then
Did it occur to you that maybe they didn't say anything because they were also afraid of the parents??
@@LenaS-m90 It did occur to me . But then common sense kicks and says , no , it's not an excuse at all . Unless money comes into it , the adults had nothing lose .
@@stephsmanicshenanigans8017 Erik wanted to go to college in another state and his father said he would hurt him if he tried to get away. He was still s*xually abusing him after he graduated highschool
If you let them out then that means you have to let every killer out there out as well. Past abuse doesn’t justify slaughtering two people. Especially considering they were both in their 20’s when they did the deed and were well within their means to get away.
Regardless these guys murdered two people which happens to be there parents , then showed no remorse they shouldn’t be let out
It's scary reading and seeing people believing these creeps
Yeah you are right. Creeps indeed.
If they never left the house after the murders then how did they get rid of the evidence? The shotgun and the bloody clothes.
The show admitted that the detectives regretted not having tested their hands for gunshot residue that night. Which doesn’t indicate that in real life a thorough search of the residence was indeed done.
Just seems like the cops should have found something to incriminate the brothers if they’d stayed there the whole time
You are asking what did Netflix Monsters got wrong? Having Ryan Murphy getting involved with writing the story. The most overrated tv and movies creator, he is absolutely just horrible.
4:31 if its on tv don't believe it at all 😂😂😂
I definitely believe they were abused. But to premeditate murder to their parents, go back and reload to finish the job and then spend almost a million dollars after is psychotic behavior and they should absolutely be in prison!!