In Windows 7 you could adjust the font size and face of every single interface element - the title bars, the dialog boxes, the menu text, the buttons, everything. And of course Windows 10 and 11 took those features out for no good reason.
What you just explained is one of the least a handful of examples of what I have been trying to tell. So many very complacent windows. Users who try to make defensive arguments against experience Linux users who tried to explain to those windows users." Why it makes sense for them to leave windows in favor of Linux " But it is as if these complacent windows users refuse to see facts of reality about how the windows ecosystem has changed for the worst little-by-little. Across the past 2 decades guaranteed.
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
Windows 95 you could change everything. Want an animated background, Sure. Want all your icons in comic sans? Sure, want your title bars hot pink, with green text when selected, yellow with white text unselected, and in apple butter font? Sure. It all was modifiable. My point is, this windows losing features every release is nothing new. What's really odd is with all these modern new languages, huge memory footprints, they can't build the same functionality they made working in C back in 1992 in less time. They literally complained they can't figure out how to calculate the size of the display and that's why you can't change the taskbar. I am sorry, go find your visual source safe drive in a warehouse somewhere and read the code they wrote 30 years ago when they already solved this problem. Explorer.exe today takes 200mb of RAM to run, and has significantly less features than the 2mb version that we had 30 years ago. HOW?
@@SuplexCityF5 Depending on the game, Steam Proton can run a lot of Windows games better than Windows does. The only issue is online games with anti-cheat, those generally don't work But I've been playing BG3 and Fallout 4 with no issues, even got some mods working on FO4 (had to manually install them, didn't feel like trying to get a mod manager working)
Your rant about the control panel and hiding everything is right on spot. I have the exact same opinion. The kids at Microsoft seem to feel the need to change everything their predecessors and fathers laid out. They just change things to change them no mater if what they change from made a lot more sense. Most of us use computers for our work or entertainment and to make things easier and quicker in life. Not to complicate it.
I see it more as developer bloat -- too many people working on one project all trying to justify why they should keep getting paid. This is what happens after a project is mostly done and the designers need to make a bean counter happy with continued "productivity". Someone at Microsoft has a spreadsheet showing fantastic team productivity because the data they monitor doesn't look at if the end product is good or not, only if the employees are doing active work. Metrics do not a better product make...
What I hate of 10 was the oversimplification of the UI to make it "idiot proof", hiding important tools and settings elsewhere and making troubleshooting for someone like me who is not a programmer but tinkers and fixes basic issues by ownself a true nightmare. Hearing that 11 made things even worse makes me completely turned at the idea to upgrade to it.
i use two tools chris titus techs windows tool box and explorer patcher to make windows 11 tolerable , it was only worth the upgrade because it has better ssd perfomance and enhanced hardware security , even with that there are still things that annoy me about it.
MS is destroying the very basic thing that made them the dominant OS of the entire world for so long: Compability and easy UI. There is a reason why more people nowadays go for alternate systems such as linux, most of them that mimic older and simpler versions of windowns. I absolutely hate win 10, but win 11 does makes 10 look like a good OS. Maybe its their strategy.
10 was a nightmare, I used it for ONE DAY before going back to 8.1. Unfortunately I have to use it at my workplace and I hate it so much. Haven't even seen 11 in real life yet, but I don't even want to lol.
I never considered learning linux until 11. Now I'm semi competent with Linux because of the direction Microsoft is forcing me into. This is coming from someone who Beta tested 11 and is still in the insider program.
i was used to using windows 10 until release win11 . I switched to kubuntu. it's not different anymore microsoft windows.I started using the things I used to use directly. even windows games. thanks for "steam" does.
Biggest promoters of Linux distros is Windows 11. Hmmm thanks to Valve, a tiny mobile AMD runs Windows games on Linux and a Threadripper with 64 cores can't run Windows OS. NEATO! Says EVERYTHING about the current state of Microsoft.
I'm in the same camp. I was in the insider program as well, but honestly, I was looking for a reason to go to linux. I'd worked with it off and on for about 10 years. It's finally gotten to the point where migrating isn't really that hard to do.
I'm a new subscriber. I've been working with and building computers since 1977. I've ran every version of Windows since Windows 1.0. I installed Windows 11 just to try it out on a new computer I built for myself. I can honestly say that Windows 11 isn't all that bad, but I do hate that I have to spend more time digging into the clunky UI just to find most of the settings I could easily find in Windows 10. I want to spend more time just using the system and not wasting time digging through the now "hidden setting" if I encounter a problem. Microsoft just continues to crap in their own bed. I'm enjoying your channel. Your no nonsense approach to teaching people about computers is excellent. Many of the popular computer/tech channels could learn from you. Keep up the good work.
Explorer Patcher (or, even better, StartAllBack if you're willing to pay) and Classic Shell will fix pretty much everything in Windows 11. It's not ideal, but makes the system alright.
@@JorgeAraujo97 Some of those do sound great, but after reading the docs and seeing what's involved, I can't quite shake the feeling that Microsoft is going to change something that'll break some of these. Another concern is if we change a lot of stuff with plugins, does it increase the chances that we might end up inadvertently swiss-cheesing some of the security as well?
100 % accurate! Nice to get some validation on this! I have been doing computer repair for a long time as well and I feel like it's getting more and more frustrating with all of these crazy changes. I really hope they actually start fixing things instead of just moving things around and messing things up
Microsoft and many other companies will remove and replace popular working features simply because the new developers want to create something which they can call "their improvements"... the senior developers approve these changes because then they can claim them as part of the upgrades for the OS they managed. Microsoft doesn't care about what users or businesses want, because Microsoft literally has a monopoly.
Windows 11 was more about boosting sales of new PCs than anything else. Also, Microsoft (and no doubt with Intel and AMD’s blessing) introduced the concept hardware obsolescence in to Windows support. This is similar to Apple with their operating systems and means at some point your hardware will not be able to run the latest OS. At present we all know you can work around this in Windows 11 but my guess would be that Microsoft will enforce this at some point e.g. Windows 12. It would never surprise me if in the future we will get to a stage where you buy a PC and it will be able to run n future versions of Windows. Once that is hit you either buy a new PC or you are left on your own. A real shame as I believe Microsoft’s backward support is one of the best features of Windows over the decades and has no doubt reduced the amount of e-waste.
Wrong on so many levels. Windows 11 was about getting security risk systems out of circulation like drunk driving laws get safety risk drivers off the road.
The thing that killed Windows for me was the push to use an online account. Using an online account to access my local data and machine is an absolute no-go. That took me from someone who was ambivalent about Windows to someone who actively despises it and refuses to use it for my day-to-day tasks.
@@LPgmxDan No - but you have to go out of your way to avoid making an online account at set up, and running a Windows 11 machine with only a local account causes the OS to hound you to make a Microsoft account. They are clearly moving in the direction of pulling you into their online ecosystem and making it more difficult to use your machine without being logged into their servers. I'm saying no to that now - what they've done already is bad enough. I refuse to use Windows when I have any other options available so long as they keep on this course.
@@leviathan-supersystem That got patched IIRC. At this rate I have more respect for people like Ghost Spectre than Windows themselves. They're the ones busting their butts to provide the experience Microsoft refuses to provide.
The biggest pain in Windows 11 for me is the changed Taskbar! You can't have a "Quick launch" area anymore and a Taskbar area with icons (buttons) for running programs. You can just have pinned icons. So when you're running two instances of the same program, you don't see two icons/buttons in the Taskbar, you just see one icon which is always there. Also, you can't drag and drop files from one program to another program by moving your mouse down to the Taskbar onto the other program's icon/button. You have to ALT+TAB to the destination program with your other hand and then drop the file in. Horrible!
I want MS to bring back the ability for a user to change the color of the background and the fonts like they had in Win 7. That way, those of us who have vision problems can adjust the colors for maximum usability. The light and dark modes both hurt my eyes after a few hours of use.
The contrast is so low at certain parts of the UI... like hovering over desktop or tray icons. I can barely see the "highlight" and I don't even have serious vision problems.
When WINDOWS 7 was released - functions that were available in WINDOWS XP disappeared. Since then it has been getting worse and not better/ MS is good at screwing things up = That is what they have become better at. I still prefer using WINDOWS 7 to WINDOWS 10 which gives me a headache.
One of the best features about Windows used to be that every command had several ways to do it, so you could just choose the way you preferred. It seems 11 is moving more to the Apple "our way or the highway" method of doing things. The multiple clicks thing seems to be universal as well, every new Google app hides basic features under layers of menus, and don't get me started on TV remotes that have about 5 buttons!
I think this is rather a good thing, good software is lean, having 50 ways of doing the same thing doesn't make any sense, Apple is very sensible when it comes to that aspect, they have their way of doing (which we can disagree with), and if you want to do it another way chances are someone made a software using apple's API, for example , on my Mac I've got the alt tab of windows, (meaning like windows when I press alt-tab I've got a preview of the different apps) chances are 95% of people don't really care or need that feature, but for those who do there is the option to do it, this is a good tradeoff and if microsoft is going this way than I'm glad they they do.
@@pierreollivier1 bro is in miniority happily, i am willing to wait for windows 12 to update my system, lost hope with win 11 tbh, the whole point of windows is to be atleast not like mac which is a whole different ecosystem and speacially this guy mentions it needs special requirements which ofc would be of higher price, if we had to buy something out of our budget won't we all get mac os and iphones, like obviously we don't cause of its price that we use samsung and one plus or even REALME. society norms should be changed but it should be gradual and even if win 11 just got bombing update fixing everything after like 2 years, high chance people like me have already given up on buying a new OS of windows 12 cause maybe the system compatible with win11 might not be with win12 again.
@@ellgitongaming2038 It's going to be the same thing windows 12 is unlikely to be any better than windows 11, the reason being that windows has all those quirks, and retro-compatibilities that drags it down, in terms of actual raw performance Linux based OS will always win because they are leaner, windows is cluttered, and this is why it's so buggy all the time, it's the reason why we all had to suffer through blue screens, and windows updates, and settings that changes all the time, spyware and ads everywhere, honestly even is somehow windows becomes more stable, and more performant than linux/MacOS I don't think that would be enough to make me go with it. The only advantages of windows is gaming/software, but as soon as Microsoft will pivot toward ARM all this will disappear. Mac isn't more expansive than windows laptop, if you include everything, yes Mac and iPhones are more expansive at purchase, but for the price you get premium machine, with well rounded hardware (which is unheard of on the windows machine market) that last for a very long time, get supported for a very long time, you get a zero bloatware/spyware/ads free experience, more privacy, a bit more transparency, you can sell your Mac for way more on the after market than any similarly price windows machine, even years after, you get a lot of free very high quality software out of the box, and there's plenty of MacOS unique software, plus the integration, battery life, is unmatched. I get that it's more expansive especially if you need more storage, but in the grand scheme of thing you can bypass Apple's ridiculous prices by buying an external ssd.
@@pierreollivier1 that’s not reality. In reality, having a good number of options available to hand is good for everyone, as long as Microsoft insists on keeping it uncustomizable. In a couple of weeks at most, one’s brain will be able to process where their most used options are located. In time, even more. Everyone is going to use things more or less often as others. By cascading things so much, you decrease productivity. Have you ever tried exiting a PC game ported from a console where the devs leave too much of the console menus in? It’s infuriating!
@@danceswithchihuahuas7092 I strongly disagree with your opinion. In my view, effective software requires a focused approach to create a high-quality user experience, accompanied by well-developed APIs that facilitate community expansion when necessary. To illustrate this point using a gaming analogy: a game with robust and well-documented APIs fosters a thriving modding community. This community enriches the experience for enthusiasts seeking more. Yet the core experience, which is deliberately designed to cater to a broad audience stay the same a good example of that is Arma 3, you have the Vanilla experience, which try to do one thing well (aka propose a good military simulation) but you can't really expect the studio to keep adding to the game indefinitely, so you promote modding to let people create the experience that they want for them and the community . This principle holds true across all software domains. While striving to create excellent products, it's essential to acknowledge that not every decision will be flawless. This is why designing adaptable APIs is crucial, empowering the user community to extend, refine, or customize certain aspects of the software. This dual-sided dynamic presents a mutually beneficial situation. For development teams, leveraging the community's contributions allows for additional functionality without assuming all the risk. Users who choose to incorporate these features assume responsibility for potential issues, granting valuable insights into future directions. By meticulously crafting the APIs, developers can safeguard proprietary elements while exposing only necessary components. On the community side, this arrangement provides the opportunity to tailor software to individual preferences. The result is more refined, stable software that ultimately enhances the overall user experience. Active participation in refining frequently used tools also contributes positively to the community's engagement. In summary, the crux of our disagreement lies in the balance between a well-crafted, opinionated software experience and the flexibility offered by adaptable APIs. While I respect your perspective, I firmly believe that focused software development, supplemented by thoughtful API design, ensures a seamless user experience while accommodating diverse user needs and preferences.
Thankyou so much. This stuff was making me feel old and out of touch for having these difficulties. to know someone like you doing this stuff as your main profession is having the same issues I have is a such a relief!
I have a Win 10 system, and every time I get the urge to install Win 11 I watch a video like this, and that urge goes away, lol. I don't use a lot of the functions you've mentioned often, but when I do I end up using them for an inordinate amount of time. It sounds like they're neglecting a lot of the quality of life improvements people really want. I think the issue stems from MS trying to make the OS as idiot-proof as possible by catering to the lowest common denominator. The vast majority of "average" users are using their PCs to check emails, watch Netflix, and dink around on social media. I personally think, and have thought for decades, that if you buy a new PC as a new user, you should be forced to take mandatory classes on how to use the OS, and do minor hardware repairs/upgrades. Changing out parts, or installing your OS should not require a trained pro.
@uyierwhk now tech only work's through chat, which will inevitably be a robot soon, and call backs are done for 1 hr by techs who "only work with software " and not hardware, so if they cant push you do a complete reset, they will direct you to a local tech in the end. I detest how much power we have let apple and Microsoft get over something that can potentially destroy our livelihoods.
@@-T--T- Ya know, you're totally right! I forgot about all that, lol. Now that you've mentioned it I remember seeing techs walking people through the various operations with customers at a Best Buy, or a Fry's Electronics. Kind of like how Home Depot used to have employees in each department who knew details about what they were selling. Now nobody is an "ex-carpenter" turned sales associate who can walk you through the different functions of, say, a miter saw. It's just some 20's something who treats their job like it's an inconvenience, and doesn't want to be there. Ok, it's not THAT bad, I'm just a bitter old man, whom expects too much, LOL
The problem comes when you stop updating any computer system. You won't be able to run Windows 10 or 11 forever as MS will want another cash injection long before the next version shows up. @@pressure609
Once Windows 10 ends support, allot of old PCs will go to e-waste. Just like Windows Vista, PC manufacturers were building systems that barely met Windows system requirements which means they could barely run Windows Vista. Microsoft got into trouble for this
Learn that there id =s no such word in the English language as allot Undertake an extensive reading program to better educate yourself and learn to become proficient in the English Language.
These computers could have a much much longer live with a Linux distro and with better perfs. But people for the most will not and prefer to buy a brand new computer to use it exactly the same way that the old one. This forced obsolescence is a shame.
@@andrew_koala2974 says the one who typed “Id =s” and doesn’t punctuate correctly and breaks up sentences in the middle of lines. Oh, and by the way, allot is a valid word in the English language. Buy a dictionary!
I agree with your complaints. While "Just switch to linux" isn't really an answer to the complaints, MSFT is really making me dedicate some time playing with Linux distributions as a backup for the day they decide I can no longer disable a bunch of their telemetry or login without a windows live account. I'm old enough to remember when it used to take more time to install Windows than it did to "tweak" it to remove all the bloat and spyware.
I feel you! I'm in the same boat. I WANT to like Windows 11, being an IT person I don't like to complain and nitpick about the details, especially design-wise, if the functionality is there... but with Windows 11, it almost feels like Microsoft WANTS to upset us. I don't understand it.
I am married to an Andra Pradesh girl. Their culture did not invent or need computers or this type of technology. I don't think it is their DNA. But this is the home of Satya.
I'm a Computer Technician since 2014. I totally agree with you. The bypass I use for Network and Sharing Center is Windows Search. But you mentioned the most important issues I face. 👍
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
I love how this is a really balanced take and isn’t just “new thing bad, old thing good”. And what you’re saying about the new features is bang-on. People would like the new features if the older features weren’t crippled.
You're spot on with all your comments. I can't imagine why the people at Microsoft don't see how aggravating and unnecessary these issues are. I really miss the full featured Control Panel and wish they'd bring it back instead of sloooowly migrating everything to Settings.
For you. Those customers, this pleb is installing legacy software on their PCs doesn't appreciate he dislikes Windows 11. The average user, just wants to open Chrome and browse the web.
"I can't imagine why"... Sure you can. Design by committee. The Peter principle. Incompetent managers overriding expert UI people or not even getting expert UI people to vet the new hires for UI work, and so on.
My mother, father and sister used to tell me a story about the days, a time of peace in the U.S., when the Microsoft, Apple, and Linux, and others kept balance between smooth performance, smooth drive, and others! But that all change when the hackers, social security scams, hard disk drives, data and AI attacks!
Excellent video, it felt like your video was reading my brain, lol. These issues are just bad. I’ve also been in the IT support field for over 20 years and recent started working as a field tech for residential and small businesses and these things run through my head every time, especially when the client is sitting right next to me.
As a VERY longtime Windows user / tech enthusiast / gamer, I still remember how Windows NT (v3.51 & 4.0) had the option to use the "Classic" (Windows 3.x -style) or the newer "Modern" (Windows 95 -style) GUI, each of which had different methods of window operation & desktop navigation as well as a distinct "look & feel" or visual language & aesthetic. The actual software engine of the OS was, of course, unchanged: the only difference was in the "shell" that lay on top of it, yet your choice of shell was a crucial one, as it affected everything about the interface between user & OS. As the yrs marched on, newer releases from Microsoft -- including the 1st Microsoft PLUS! pack for Windows 95, Media Player 7.x, then Windows 98 itself, XP & finally Vista -- showed just how radically different in appearance & functionality different graphical shells (or "Desktop Themes" re. shells meant specifically for the Windows interface) could make the same piece of software, especially when those shells changed the level of ease-of-use & access to features on the fly at the click of a button. (Here I think Winamp deserves an honorable mention.) By the time Windows 7 was rolled out, the whole idea of being able to "hotswap" the look & feel of your Windows desktop was so well established that it seemed as much a core feature of the OS as the Control Panel. Then, of course, Windows 8.x came along -- like a foul ball to the head. It should've been a warning sign to all Windows users that Microsoft was abandoning all pretense of putting the "user experience" 1st as a top-level priority in its proclaimed mission of "innovation": now it seems all they really care about is making each new release of Windows clash w/ the battle-proven GUI concepts that had been hammered out over decades, even to the detriment of PC tech professionals as well as power users who value their ability to operate quickly & effectively. Gotta keep coming up w/ new reasons to make users upgrade to the latest Windows release -- & force MCSEs to keep buying the newest reference texts & recertifying their credentials! Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised ... just disappointed. Evidently, Microsoft continues to rely on the arrogant assumption that Windows users will always be too entrenched, too unwilling to embrace change, to make the leap from Windows to an alternative OS solution....
Very well said! But it's clearly incompetence too, not just malice. Not finishing the control panel replacement after so many years, and also keep removing or hiding away bits and pieces of it it's clearly them just being utter dumb. Like Rich said, first finish the new way, give it a bit of time for people to get used to it, then remove the old stuff. And do the removal in a new version of windows, since it's radical change. How things so simple, so basic, so UX 101 escape them is beyond me! I hope they weep seeing Linux market share increase. Though clearly these are just a result of many people in a big corporation failing to come to a decent conclusion, they don't really care. Sigh.
I agree with you 100%. I went from a Windows 10 to a Mac instead of Windows 11. The MacBook pro takes fraction of the time to load up, than my Windows 10 computer. I even had a Windows 8.1 which is the same way, with BSODs and app crashes (mostly Data Execution Prevention-related). Windows 10 was even worse. File explorer crashes all the time, along with Microsoft Edge, and even the apps from the microsoft store. BSODs are a thing too big time. And notice the performance is sluggish, along with glitches. Even bugs are another. I even have a Lenovo ThinkPad E570 and I am fixing to take a hammer to it. So glad that I switched to a Mac. If you want good performance, then Mac is the way to go.
@@JoshuaAndMom That's a bit weird. Even though I really don't like Microsoft's direction with Windows, I do have to say that it's quite good and stable. My laptop is from 2016, very close to 7 years of age. I had 4 (four) BSOD in these 7 years, and I've used the laptop A LOT. Overall super stable and without issues (once I disabled automatic updates, those were a hassle). I have 46 days uptime right now, and it's nothing special. The most I had were exactly 100 days, and I restarted it because I did the windows updates, otherwise it still didn't had issues. Now I try to keep it around 30-40 days until I do the updates, to be safe. And even though I don't want to touch that stupid Windows 11, I'm sure that it's also rock solid. Unless you have bad hardware (which isn't that uncommon on cheap laptops) or bad drivers.
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
Windows has become so annoying, the only reason I haven't switched to Linux is I don't have time to learn a new OS. Sounds like by the time I have to switch to Win11, I'll have enough to relearn I might as well switch then.
I love how there are a printer's Properties, a printer's Printer Properties, and a printer's Preferences, in addition to the new printer menu in Settings (that can't do everything you need to do).
I whole-heartedly agree with everything you've said in this video! BRAVO! One minor exception is last I checked, Oct 14, 2025 when Win10 support ends, is MORE (not less) than 2 years away as of July 2023.
@@drescherjmWouldn't most Governments/companies use ltsc? Ltsc has support until 2027 and Windows 10 Iot Enterprise Ltsc (Great name btw microsoft) has support until 2032
I'm not a fan of Windows 11's UI either. However, I have to admit that the new Settings page for printers was a life saver for me this week. I had to add 3 printers onto 10 PCs - 10 driver installers in total and I was doing it manually. Windows 11 found the printers each time and installed the drivers themselves within a few mins. Far better than doing it manually. I didnt work for 1 very old printer but we weren't planning to use that one. I felt your frustration when I that 1 didnt work and I wanted the control panel, but I found it better overall.
I expected win11 to be the GUI transition OS to the new settings interface and you are so right, they have just Overcomplicated IT ALL! They could have just spent the time ReSKINNING EVERYTHING and it would have been better. I think one of the most insidiously confusing choices is how they took all of these different sections and just threw them into long lists of options. The only thing I can compare it to: settings feels like they just ripped a ton of sub folders out and put everything in a parent folder. Nothing feels organized. Matter of fact I feel like settings are so scattered that they are just going to start hiding opt-out-tracking toggles throughout and I won’t be able to find them.
yeah they are screwing things up more then anything else windows is less modern then other os's cause of how many more clicks you need to get anything done with the os now days
just imagine about older people..if i give my dad Win11 computer..he is gonna trash it for sure...how come Microsoft desigining products without doing a proper analysis?
Great video, Rich... one creepy little thing I have notice is the Drag and Drop feature is an adventure in Windows 1. D&D tends to be annoyingly temperamental. It seems to forget what's going on partway through the operation while in the process of not being sure if I am moving or copying a file.
Believing Microsoft was something I used to do early in my working career. I've had 40+ years to learn better, but fool me tried MS Windows 11 on my test-bed system. It was not something I would spend money on. Went to LMDE 6 on the test-bed, 'cause brother I'm done with Microsoft.
The biggest thing that's bothered me about using Windows 11 is the sheer lack of compatibility with products that were compatible with Windows 10. There are definitely a lot of things someone could nitpick at with this OS, but I find that to be the sleeper issue that crept up on me over time. In past OS, if a peripheral was incompatible with Windows, it would at least show up in the device manager or notify the user that it's incompatible. Windows 11 doesn't do that, instead, the device won't show anywhere. It treats incompatible devices like they aren't there at all, and having to figure that out the first few times is a bit frustrating. I shouldn't be forced to get rid of hardware peripherals that aren't outdated when updating to a new version of an OS, my general expectation would be that the OS should have backwards compatibility with most peripherals that worked with the previous version of the OS. In my personal opinion, this is a fairly large oversight from Microsoft.
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
The basic Windows 11 system requirements (1 GHz or more, 2 or more cores, 4 GB or more RAM, 64 GB or more storage) make sense (it will JUST ABOUT run on that, but don't expect to install your apps and get any work done on that slug!), but that's where it ends. The artificial minimum requirements stink like they were due to a deal between Microsoft and hardware manufacturers to push people into wasteful spending during lockdown just to keep their profits coming! My 12 year old computer is still a decent machine: i7 3930K (now E5-2697-v2), 64 GB DDR3, RX-580 8 GB. But is not supported by the Windows 11 E-WASTE GENERATOR requirements! I will stick with Windows 10 until support ends in Oct-2025; This gives Microsoft 18 months to stop Windows 11 from sucking, and to remove the artificial requirements. Maybe Windows 12 will be an option by then. My other option will be Linux, running any Windows specific apps on virtual machines.
I DON'T get why Microsoft HATES control panel so much and if they want people to use Settings, how about MAKE IT COMPLETE AND NO SUCK, there are so many things you CANNOT do from setting or takes SO MANY clicks/steps/sub menus to access and all it does is WASTE TIME
9:54 "Untill settings is done, leave the control panel alone." good point. I've had this same problem with Windows 10 where I get confused so many times wondering if the setting I need is in Settings or Control Panel, it's so confusing.
For the Devices and Printers you can get to the window you need by Right Clicking Devices and Printers and clicking Open. For the Context Menu, to always get the full classic context menu hold Shift and right-click.
18:45 «it’s been almost 2 years; Windows 11 should be better by now.» It’s funny, because on the one hand, I totally agree - based on their resources and the poor reception Windows 11 has had and the need for improvements. But on the other hand, I can’t help but thinking “on what basis? Given MS’s track record, why would you expect it to be any better than it is, any faster than it is?” But on the gripping hand: when you said that my first thought was “it’s been almost 30 years [since Windows 95]; MSWindows should be better by now.”
Another thing I hate about modern windows is when opening a settings window, then opening another setting, it replaces the other settings window. Many times I'll be doing many things at the same time, checking the computer specs, searching for updates, and configuring other options. But if it uses the new settings menu it won't allow me to have multiple open at the same time. It just replaces the currently open settings window. So frustrating. That's another thing to add to the list of annoying things.
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
I agree with every one of your points. Windows 11 has made most operations require more clicks than before, and that is NOT an improvement. I'm still using Win 10 on my desktop computers, but using Win 11 on my laptop because that's what it came with. I'm gradually learning workarounds to make Win 11 more like Win 10, but it's still more difficult for no apparent benefit. One annoyance you didn't mention that is present with both Win 11 and 10 is that when you click on the Settings/Windows Update icon, it almost always says "You're up to date" without really checking, but when you click on "Check for updates" it then checks and often finds that you really DID have updates available. So I always check for updates each time.
I'm still running Win 10 and have avoided getting a new PC because I don't want Win 11. My gripes are the interface (of course) and the multiple clickey issues. You have enlightened me about other things to beware of. Thank you.
Great video. The increase in clicks has been a thing since Vista really. I remember in XP that I could access the network status with a single click in the taskbar. From Vista you had to open Network and Sharing Centre and then click the interface link. I remembered getting grilled at the time by users who did it all with keyboard shortcuts or said "just use ipconfig" but it still meant a disruption to my workflow.
@@shupichii9647 If you're talking about pinning it to the taskbar, well I can see two problems with that. Firstly, it takes up space that could be used for something more useful - it's not as if you'd be doing this on a daily basis unless testing or troubleshooting. Secondly, it'll only work on your machine so it's useless if on someone else's.
The more clicks thing is the biggest killer for me. Absolutely takes my workflow and breaks it over its knee. The biggest offender for me has been the forced grouping of taskbar items, i want ungrouped taskbar items. TBH i even want to not have applications taskbar items be pinned to each other either that sucks but it's manageable. But forcing grouped taskbar items made the os unusable. It's taken 2 years to get that feature back. This sucks.
Amazing, you hit the nail on the head with every gripe I have with windows 11. And 1000% it makes us old hats look like fools time and time again. The design choices of the context menu alone are utterly baffling. It's like they asked a professional designer what not to do and rolled with that. Half random icons, half text? WTH! Now at home I happily use fedora linux and love it. But in the professional desktop office, at least in the U.S., that's not happening.
11:27 This is a trend many programers everywere are doing, removing text and only having the icon. Another trend I hate is the shrinking/disapearing scroll bars and tiny scroll bars.
Yes, thank you! I hate the scrollbar trend soo much! Other than giving us just slightly more space, it's worse in all aspects. I hope it dies in pain. And fire.
Omg yes, i have an old monitor on 16:9 at 768p.. The world just insists on making me know my monitor is small and in need of an upgrade.. Everything is gigantic and the scroll bar just keeps shrinking.. There's a thing that is useful life that is also applied to your mouse scroll.. Maybe I like extending that too by just using the click instead
Just want to mention there is a way in Windows 11 to put your scroll bars back to original size. It is just a toggle. Just started Windows 11, so can't tell you where in the settings it is, but if you search for Wide scrollbars" you can change back to the normal scroll bars. One good thing.
Better yet, allow control panel and settings to both control basic configuration operations. There should always be more than one way to operate a computer.
The taskbar, specifically the ability to add toolbars to it. That's my main pet peeve with 11. Everything else is tolerable to various degrees, but was there a valid reason to destroy the taskbar? At least give us the option to bring it back!
These are possibly a long shot away from returning. I believe the official terminology is `Deskbands` - Minimized functional, long-running programs, such as the Language Bar. Programs that minimize to deskbands don't display taskbar buttons when minimized and allows users to access the important commands while minimized. Disadvantages ● Consume more taskbar space. Documentation: UX Guide for Windows (7)
My biggest gripe with Windows has been their tenuous relationship with hardware. Killing support for older hardware that's more than capable is going to influence people to seek refuge in other os/kernel systems. At least in the private non commercial sector. I could be wrong., Though.
YOU ARE, because the Linux crowd are even crazier. They change the things because they can. Look at the hundreds of distros, complete mess. I was there, done that and ran away screaming. Been running Win 7 from 2013, loaded, locked and NEVER updated. Not HW is old, a bit damaged from lightning and I got a new powerful PC and now I'm frozen in space: should I keep this mess of 11 or go to 10, which will be unsupported from 2025 ????+
@@panan7777 "Hundreds of distros" There's really like 3, and then flavors of those 3. Debian and it's derivatives, Arch and it's derivatives, and Fedora and theirs. I like Void, which isn't based on the others, but it's definitely not as popular as Debian or Arch. The Linux Kernel itself just got flak for removing drivers for devices from the 1980s, do you think they really just remove things willy-nilly?
Microsoft accounts make it really easy to associate all your files with you so the next time you reinstall or even move to a new computer, they'll automatically reappear on you new computer. Yes, that means a few more (easy) clicks by technicians, but it's also a huuuge quality of life improvement for regular users. As for settings slowly migrating from Control Panel to Settings, I agree, I can't fathom why this has taken over 10 years and still isn't close to completion.
Hit the nail right on the head there. From someone that's been involved with PC's about the same length of time. I can only totally agree on pretty much all that you have said. I do hope someone at Microsoft is listening. How refreshing it would be to have at least one of those issues addressed.
100% agree with everything you say and a windows tech with 25+ years experience although for 14 years now my workshop PC runs linux. I have also so far been able to avoid selling anything with 11 on it.
life is moving too fast windows gave us extra steps to slow life down alittle, it not just them, online banking is way more button presses than it used to be.
I've used Windows since 2.1 and ALL versions since. I actually didn't mind Win 8 because I could get the look and feel I've been used to since Win 95. But the inability to move and customise the main taskbar on a triple monitor setup without third-party tools is something that Microsoft needs to restore ASAP!
yepp, use a 3 screen setup and the controls is unstable at best since the control panel itself uninstall itself at random times.. and my surround is dependent of the control panel. No download link neither, asked several times. I use the more "stable" windows 10 though... its a semi stable mess...
You can still access all of the control panel options using the address bar. Using this for navigate directly to the control panel item that you're trying to get to such as device and printers and it will open in the control panel.
it may take linking some stuff either to the desktop or task bar, but it's not arduous. I'm so used to Win11 now that while I could go back, I don't care to. It's easy to get around, I tend to think this kind of debate is just the normal people wanting to geek out and have a sook about the difference between operating systems like we saw post Win 7 - oh no you may have to click on more than one thing to find what you want or use the search function, how ever will we cope!
I like your attitude on this a lot. I've seen too many anti-W11 just for the sake of it. Your stance on the control panel is one that allows for change and progress while still calling out the dumb moves (I've been personally frustrated by the Devices & Printers page too).
That anti-W11 stance is not without justification. If you don't experience with previous Windows they you will never understand the gripes against Microsoft Windows 11. Microsoft must had fired their best engineers.
The last version of windows I liked using was Windows XP, windows 7 was okay, and Windows 10 frustrated me to the point of switching to Linux. If you don't like the way Windows 10 or 11 act, and you're willing to learn how to use it, Linux Mint is pretty easy to get into... just be sure to back up your important files and a disk image of your system, in case you change your mind.
OpenShell, tuneups, and turnoffs I've made over last few years have W10 running quite nice. Liking it as much now as I did my fave's XP (64 bit) & W7. Can't go wrong with about any Ubuntu flavour with Mate being my fave
Its not just the context menu in windows though thats the biggest example, but working in corporate america for a while, all the software being developed seems to be being developed by people not at all concerned with making 'good software'. They eliminate so many things that make no real sense to eliminate. Like we have this new piece of software for filing tickets.... the bottom has a drop down list of a loooot of names of assignments for which you are filing the ticket.... For aome reason you cant just tab into the drop down and start typing the option you are looking for. You have to click on it and scroll scroll scroll down if youre unlucky enough to be filing tickets for an asimsignment all the way down at the bottom of the alphabet. Like.... no sense.... Along similar lines... my department uses excel's custom filters alot, contains one field and contains another. You used to be able to tab into the dropdowns, select the option by typing, then tab out with that option being actually selected. Out of nowhere, one update... gone. You can still type to HIGHLIGHT the option but now have to hit the enter key or click with the mouse. I dunno if its a generational thing or what.
I agree with your critique and sentiment. For me what is shocking, in my view, that several features destined for windows 10 upgrades was ported to windows, from what I saw, with no path of upgrading them to windows 10, such as a more integrated live tiles to the desktop, improvinng snapping apps and some personalization features. While a departure of how live tiles were phased out more to the start menu instead of wishfully integrating them to the desktop, the current Os feels more like an android OS from 10 years ago and an odd choice. And then then is the special hardware requirements for windows 11 to run on I've invested on upgrading older hardware that still works fine. For me the upgrade tequirement is the last straw to invest in microsft after more than 20 years. Together with a less valuable upgrade to windows 10 with having to invest more into new hardware, further losing income to more overhead investments, I think for me to stop investing in microsft. The only value it still has for me is office 365 which supports other hardware quite well and offline use of the software is okay with teasonable online synchronization software that almost hits the okay mark on quality. The ecosystem of office 365 on android for example is quite okay and I don't need windows really, except for desktop productivity. But is not good enough to warrant an upgrade to windows 11, even though microsoft may change the policies in the future. For a consumer or small business I don't think microsfts business model makes sense anymore and only makes sense for bigger businesses. But I think Windows 11 or higher is not interesting for a consumer anymore and the investment of additional continuous overhead costs. I think it is a toxic business model that doesn't have the customers interest at hart of likely wanting a bigger for profit model. I see that with the strange itterative updates that don't match the feedback heb comments sent back and these odd patchy updates, that are being mondblowingly chaotic in nature, and make no sense to me. There have been mentions of staafing issues and not enough developers to deliver quality updayes. I don't know how it is now, but from the critique of the video I gather I'm getting a picture that microsft is still struggling, even in business with windows. Only the office suite seems to be working well, although I've noticed on android it still requires still a lot of repeating feedback after every update to keep feedback focussed on improving lingering inssues that last longer than 12 months. An example has been the fact it has been very difficult to add images as a file for the longest time, or personalize the mail inbox layout for a more cleaner look for over 12 months while, it has been available on windows and windows 10 mobile for over 3 years!! It's these kind of inconsistencies that are a lingering headache with Microsofts ecosystems, even though windows 10 has been with us since 2014/2015. And the headache hasn't in my view changed from windows 7 to 8 and 8 to 10. Windows 10 still innmy view has a lot of potential of only the half baked features were adressed, that still haven't been. I think windows 10 would still be strong. I don't understand why microsft seems to show the sentiment of giving up, even though perhaps argumentitively contractually, on windows 10. Windows 11 and 12 in my view does not make sense to the road map the comapny portrayed and communicated to the public and customers between 2015-2019. It feels a little bit like what Nadella recently said have regrets having to stop windows 10 mobile. This feels the same and I do not understand Microsfts underlying motivation to start on windows 11, even move on to 12 for that matter. I feel there is no mission statement behind it that makes sense.
i've been using windows since always, the pc we had in my family at first was running xp, i've seen Windows 7 in places like school and i always wanted to use it myself, then my dad's laptop was running windows 8 which i actually liked (i always open the start menu with the keyboard shortcut so i didnt even notice the start button was gone and having it in full screen looked cool to me) and then i had my own laptop with windows 10, which all i disliked was how they kept forcing to update at the worst moments and file explorer sometimes melting, but i forgave it because updates became less annoying over time and the file explorer glitches were fixed, and overall windows 10 felt good enough my laptop doesnt officially support windows 11, and since the only problem is the cpu being just a bit old, i tried to install it anyways and it felt usable in terms of performance But the problems you pointed out, the end of life of windows 10 getting closer and microsoft adding more unnecessary stuff to make the system slower (like the ai thing they announced) instead of fixing the problems with windows 11 are the reasons that i basically felt forced to switch to linux i really like windows, and as much as im liking linux, if i had to choose windows 7 or linux i would go with windows 7, but microsoft has been making such questionable decisions that i felt forced to say bye to windows
I completely agree with everything you said. I assisted a customer with a laptop she bought at Costco with a slow CPU and ONLY 4G of RAM. Of course it was preloaded with a version of Windows 11 that was 1 + 1/2 years old. Even though I advised against it, she wanted hers connected to her Microsoft account. Since she had only WiFi, it took over 24 hours to update windows 11, and setup her new laptop with the account. When I came back, it had crashed. When I forced it to power off, and got it up again it sat there recovering for another couple hours before it started working. This is by far the most incredibly bad new computer experience I've ever witnessed.
You are spot on in your complaints, I have been running 11 for a couple of months now, did the registry hack to fix the context menu, put a link to Control Panel on my desktop, and kind of forgot about it. But yeah, I hate the "abbreviated menus" and having to click another option to get you back to the menu you are used to. I tweak it to make it easier, but having to use other people's computers without your own personal tweaks, I totally sympathize, that really sucks. I remember setting up 11, I bypassed the restriction for a Microsoft account (there was a workaround I found on youtube), so I login to my 11 machine with a username and password, just like 10, no Microsoft account. And the hardware restrictions are totally arbitrary just like you said. I can navigate around the difficulties, but many users may not be able to. And why should any of us have to? The restrictions of 11 are ridiculous, unnecessary, and seem like a money grab, forcing everyone to buy new computers with "free" Win 11. Thanks Micro$oft.
The almost forced use of a Microsoft account is bad design for so many reasons. Unfortunately since Microsoft has a monopoly there's nothing which can be done except switching to Linux.
I agree with everything you mentioned. I am fed up with MS. The stupidity of some of their changes is on another level and hiding control panel features that work better than their new settings counterpart is annoying.
@@anisoyo973 You know there are people that ACTUALLY USE the PC for WORK, for decades and have ABSOLUTELY NO WILL and TIME to wrestle with the new system, when the old one is working perfectly well. I have yet to see a feature to make me say: WOW, I NEED this.
Great video! Another example is my use of bluetooth ear buds for watching all videos including youtube. About 6 months ago, the earbuds stopped staying paired to the computer when there was no audio being sent to them. That meant that switching TH-cam videos would result in the earbuds disconnecting. It takes 8 clicks to re-connect, every time you switch videos. Yesterday, they pushed a new update to me, and this problem has improved, but the computer still cannot remember the earbuds after a shutdown. For this reason and the ones you outline in this video, I am switching to Linux. 2 of my 4 computers are already running Linux, and it gets better as I learn more about it. I was a windows user since 3.1, and a DOS user since 1.1. Goodbye, Microsoft!!!
The frustrating thing too about the control panel reduction and convolution is that there's no actual equivalent.. you can't access everything in it through the settings menu.. and of course the elephant in the room being that navigating the settings menu is a freaking nightmare, like there's this modern trend of tabs on tabs on tabs.. if I want to change some basic options in the UI interface or display properties.. I'll have to switch between several different major categories, and often have to go into the legacy control panel.. I would absolutely be okay with having both.. keep the control panel around for the people that have familiarize themselves with it unless you're changing the actual function of the thing itself.. and God forbid actually updated in the control panel with the new function.. or God forbid have the function in the settings menu.. and I can't believe that it is a thing where I'm just hoping that just having the options all there in the first place.. and having it be easily navigateable are thoughts that I think are unrealistic to hope for.. I would just hope for it all to be there at this point.. I don't understand why they need to nest and reorganize.. I feel like I'm going on a a research rabbit hole to find where things go to because you have to go to a thing to go to a thing to go to a thing.. and God forbid it's just not there in the first place like the screensaver menu.. One thing that I actually liked about the switch to Windows 10 was that they expanded the operating tools and control over various functions.. I was genuinely surprised.. it seems like they've been trying to walk that back because it might have been a mistake in terms of allowing inherent means of disabling garbage features or configuring them that they may actually want.. and I assume this is why it completely resets them every time you update.. but at the same time they did it, and it was a nice expansion on the way Windows 7 worked which by comparison really felt locked down.. but at the same time Windows 7 wasn't trying to run my computer like a peer-to-peer system to shove updates down a pipeline with a convoluted monkey's paw inspired scheduling system that has pushed me to take a significant amount of extra effort to disable them in the first place.. The fact that Windows 11 takes the dumbest convolutions and problems with Windows 10 that you would look at as bugs to be ironed out or fixed and pushes them like it's a feature.. it really is confusing... remember when previous windows iterations would offer something significant in order to inspire the user to update? Like 64-bit.. or advanced customizing user interfaces or I don't know anything or or something.. rather than offering less things.. and broken things and then trying to force the update by restricting any potential improvements to the broken things to the new operating system so it's like.. it's almost like they hired a crossroads demon and he just doesn't understand that this isn't the best way to do business because he doesn't know anything better and well he's an excellent curse and reward monkey's paw architect, it's all he knows..
I think you're quite right, as long as we're talking about reasonably high-specs PCs the curve of obsolescence is relatively flat; A friend of mine is still quite satisfied gaming on an i5-3570K based system I gave him years ago. The 1990s had much faster upgrade paths, but I think peak insanity was reached in the early 2000s when competition between Intel/AMD and nVidia/ATI was fierce: you could literally build a top of the line system and have it struggle badly to run new software and games less than 12 months later.
I really prefer windows 10, the options in the control panel are better. I upgraded to windows 11 as I was having issues with input lag on 10, using Logitech mice. The performance of 11 is equal to 10, at least in synthetic tests.
I just started using win11 on my i7-7700K/32gb ram/gtx 1070 system, thanks to your steb-by-step installation video... but i gotta say, only after 2 weeks of using it, i'm already considering going back to win10 since i don't like win11 one bit... i mainly use it for gaming/media consumption & occasional programing, but where I just simply can't stand win11 is at gaming, where i spent more than a day trubleshooting an issue where the games (for example cs:go, etc) shows that its runing at 200-300+ fps, but in realitly, the game runs like MS powerpoint, with it constantly stutering and gaming "micro-lag" issues. I'll probalby be going back to win10 and hope that win12 (in a year or so, is hopefully better)
ngl i stay with an older version as long as i can. i have probably only seen 4 versions in my life from msdos to 98 to NT to 7 to 10. i really miss NT and wish there was another monopoly breakup so that competitors could release generic clones of older more beloved versions.
As an avid Linux user, I completely respect people's choice not to use Linux. Its not for everyone. However, Microsoft will never get better. They might roll back some of the arbitrary UI changes with enough backlash, but they will never stop making anti-consumer decisions like arbitrarily dropping support for more than adequate hardware. As long as Microsoft retains a monopoly on desktop operating systems, things WILL NEVER get better. For those like myself, switching to Linux was the solution, but I totally get it if thats not the solution for you. Maybe it means finally breaking out those anti-trust laws and breaking Microsoft apart? Either way, you have two options: continue muddling through whatever abuse Microsoft throws your way or do something about it.
Linux will never become the mainstream desktop operating system. Fragmentation on Linux is insane. There are close to 1000 different Linux distros, each distro often has 2-3 different versions that are in constant development. On top of that then you have different desktop gui interfaces. The most insane fragmentation ever, in any technology category.
@@nekrosoft13some people want to be abused. You cannot stop them! Megadaft is banking on them which explains their audaciousness in doing what they do with impunity: Pissing off their very fanboyz is a height not even Linux can hope to beat in it’s wildest wet-dreams in my opinion.
@@nekrosoft13Just stick to the most popular upstream, like that you reduce the choice paralysis to just 4: Debian, Mynt, Arch and Ubuntu. It's the downstream that's enthusiast-grade+ in terms of their accessibility, the rest of the troubles with Linux come more from program compatibility because people can't really be arsed to make their stuff compatible with Linux as long as Linux isn't widespread.
I'm a lifetime windows user but after installing Ubuntu on older laptops and getting over the learning curve it's just so much better usability wise but the compatibility problems with my usual software just doesn't allow me to stay on it
May be an idea to create a stripped down Windows 11 for customers, default it with the reg hack like the right click, "Administrator" account pre setup and install that. Leave edge in for the customer but make it easier on your self at least when giving customers a fresh OS. Also remove the TPM and processor restrictions from the ISO as well. Doesn't have to be as stripped down as say Tiny 11 but has enough tweaks that it makes it easier for you and makes it easier for the customer. Just a thought.
That's one route. However, I don't install Windows on most customers systems. I'm almost always dealing with a factory install or an install done by someone else.
I’ve used W11 at work and god it’s terrible. Microsoft biggest problem is that they try so hard to look “good” that they’re sacrificing functionality over that. They want to copy other OS interfaces so bad, but don’t understand that what makes windows unique and fast to use are the very things that they’re putting their hands on right now. Windows 11 seems to prioritize everything but usability. That context menu is shit, the settings shows just a minimum part of what you need and most of the times are useless. Whoever is at charge of the whole “modernization” process started with Windows 8 needs to understand that we do NOT care about how shit looks, we just want it to get done. Give me back Windows 95 theme and simplicity ffs
I have an old laptop that had windows 7 on it, and I decided to make it a Linux machine. Then forgot about it. Meanwhile my main desktop has win11 on it and I really really really started to dislike it for many reasons, including the ones you also talked about. Just last week, I found the laptop again, sitting on the shelf for months, and I said, what the hell, let me see what's up. Plugged it in, battery completely dead, waited about 2 minutes before pushing the power button. Bang! Linux Mint loads in like 5 seconds. Beautiful UI, network is on, discovers my printer and runs pretty fast, considering the age of the laptop from 2008 or something, I'm watching videos, checking out some stuff. It literally felt like a breath of fresh air, with no pop up stuff and no annoying messages. Yes, I had the icon appear on the lower right corner that there are new updates, but no nagging about it and neither force downloading itself . Also it seems like Linux brings out more colors? Maybe just an illusion, but to me it seems like I see more vibrant colors on my monitor vs. Windows. I could be just imagining it though. I know Linux on a basic level, used it before about 5-10yrs ago, so lately I really consider switching teams now, especially that the new PCs are powerful enough that I can actually do whatever through vine or other app in linux to run windows or windows apps within Linux.
I used windows 11 for work. It took time to get used to and still havent really gotten as efficient with it as with 10 after 6 months working with it. And thinking about it, there isnt anything apart from file explorer tabs that made me really like 11 more over 10, and maybe built-in Windows terminal which i use quite a bit instead of having to install it from the store.
I still will use windows 10 pro for a bit longer but once I build a new pc I may give windows 11 a shot. I have also been trying out ubuntu linux on my mac mini from like 2012 and that seems to be really reliable it really made my old mac usable again. I do miss windows xp though that was the best os they ever had honestly.
Your statements describing the problems of Microsoft Windows 11 cause me to agree with you all the way. Your presentation is more valuable and important to us than its worth [which is high]. I find that Windows 11 is good for the computer programmer and the computer technician, but learning it as a beginner is like trying to learn to play the piano before learning to play the organ. It should be commended. 👍
I completely agree with this video. I've been a Windows user since 3.1 as well and found that every other version of Windows was bad. Hopefully with the roll out of Windows 12 (maybe in 2024), Windows will be better again. Look at the history of all Windows variations. One was good, followed by a bad version, then followed by a good version (Example: Windows 7 was good, while Windows 8 was bad, then Windows 10 was good).
Every other version tends to build on a mostly completed project or have overrun in terms of Microsoft not having a clear idea of what they want Windows to be. Vista went through development hell and was about five years ahead of the hardware that would have run it fluidly. 8 assumed there would be a touch screen revolution and that eventually we would have the same interface on all devices, phones included. Windows 11 tries to be too many things at once; Microsoft threw crap at the wall and is seeing what sticks and if they can get away with forcing online accounts. They would love to turn Windows into a subscription service
Well, hate to be that guy, but both Windows 95 and Window 98 were excellent! Actually, Windows 3.1 too, so that's 3 in a row ? Same for Windows 2000 and XP! But, yeah, starting with Windows Me onwards, it was one good one bad.
Just installed 11 for the first time yesterday. My first impressions were its terrible. Some things are decent but the icons and feel is taking me away from the PC and towards tablet and cell phone software. I personally dont like my phone over a PC ever, in fact i cant wait for the next best thing to come along so im not controled by a phone. Great video as usual.
I actually love win 11 but only because I use 3rd party tools to remove the crap. I think Microsoft will have no choice but to extend 10 support because the TPM 2 requirement for 11 is not going to pass for very many (still perfectly good) computers. Even if it forces some small percentage of users to upgrade their PC, then it will generate an insane amount of unnecessary ewaste.
Yeah, that's completely retarded. I buy computers from Linux companies like Tuxedo, System76 or Slimbook now. I'm done feeding the massive corporate tech beast when I can avoid it.
That also tells a lot about the users willing to trash a perfectly working computer, just because the OS got out of support. By that time I really hope that the masses learn about Linux. Or that they realize that the can simply still use the computer with Windows 10, though preferably not more than, say, 1 year after its support expire. Because it being 2 days out of support doesn't mean it suddenly doesn't work anymore or that it's full of security holes.
Windows 8.0 had a lot of driver issues and introduced a lot of bugs, which was largely the result of that new additional gui to accomodate the ms app store. Windows 8.1 I had no real problem with, and was the last stop gap before the bloat set in. Windows 10 introduced many features in an attempt to compete with third parties. Despite taking up near 100GB on a large drive (some, but not alot of that, is probably reserved space) Windows 11 is a very minor update with a refreshed gui, new icon set and a few tweaks with a couple of things added or missing. Nothing major. The right click menu should have a feature to go to Show More Options by default, resizing and dragging to the taskbar should be put back in. Even the other changes are largely visual and don't warrant tacking on an 11 as a new OS. As for the traditional control panel options, they are on the desktop by default? If not there already, just create a traditional Control Panel shortcut (right click, new>shortcut>control). If you don't like the start button on 7, 8, 10, 11 you can just install the newest openshell. Or in 11, just reposition the taskbar's main window icon to the left hand side.
I agree that Windows 11 is primarily a visual update, and although the hardware requirements have seemingly increased, I have an older computer (which was obviously incompatible with 11) and installed 11 on it. The performance was like poop. I tried to downgrade to the latest 10, and the performance was only marginally better.
I find the worst example of updates slowing down a system in time is with smartphones. My old laptop is from 2012 and runs 10 on an hdd drive. It takes a long time to startup but other than that is ok. If I didn't update to a desktop system Id probably consider swapping it's hdd drive for an ssd that'll fit for faster boot up.. and finally thermal repaste the cpu to stop it overheating (im many years late for that, but it can be awkward to do on a laptop)@@27.minhquangvo76
Actually I believe moving to a Linux distro is the the answer. Of the 14 machines I have - that used to be windows - only 3 are still windows, the rest are Ubuntu mainly and a few other distros. Two of those are Windows because some of the games we have on steam will only run on Windows. The other because of some proprietary machine dependant software. Any new equipment or games we buy have to be able to run on Linux. Also, I believe only 1 of my machines, an i9-13900k is Windows 11 capable (it runs Ubuntu 22.04), and all of my machines except 1 run at over 4GHZ. LOL
Yawn..there always has to be 1 incel in any comment section like this. Good for you, self cutting virgin! You use Linux EMBRACE the loneliness. (I mean, clearly you already have with that facial hair.)
I appreciate the fact that you deal honestly with Windows' _many_ shortcomings. I am anti-Windows/Microsoft because I think domination of the home PC market leads to this kind of anti-consumer, throw-stuff-at-the-wall-and-not-care-if-it's-giving-customers-problems mentality that Microsoft has.
One reason this may be happening: security. The company I work for supplies computers (and software) to certain public utilities. These utilities do not want individually configurable computers; they want that to be IT'S responsibility. Puts a big strain on IT. Given the nature of these companies it is understandable. But when it comes down to personal computers, it doesn't work.
They do use enterprise and pro operating systems. They simply don't want anybody to have remote access to their network, including IT. Makes it hard to do remote diagnosis. I ha e to drive about an hour to diagnose a simple problem.
I can relate to the new computers running windows 11 I was at a Sam’s Club looking at newer gaming pc’s a few months ago All of them were playing a preview video and they all were doing very good….except for one laptop.. It was just chugging when it was playing that video I forget what brand it was but it was just having problems with the preview the other computers were doing great
This reminds me of when people hated Vista and MS rushed out another OS ASAFP. This also reminds me of when people hated W8 and MS rushed out another OS ASAFP. My roommate's new PC has W11 on it and he HATES it. I just bought a used ThinkPad w/ W11 on it and I couldn't clean install W10 onto it fast enough. Rumor is W12 is due late 2024. I will likely wait a year or two before I try it. Micro$oft has gone SO FAR DOWNHILL in the last several years. Now they make $ collecting your data AND selling the OS to you AND they act like YOUR COMPUTER belongs to them and they're only letting you use it. Government used to break up companies that acted this way. This reminds me of when the government...
Windows-11... What international garbage.🤮 The UI is exactly as you said it is. Well, actually its worse. Unfortunately since MacOS 13 (Ventura) I can see things are getting a little worse on the MacOS side too. meh... I have an old laptop running a Linux Mint distro. I guess that will be my new "safe space".😅 Thanks for another great video CyberCPU Tech!🥰
In Windows 7 you could adjust the font size and face of every single interface element - the title bars, the dialog boxes, the menu text, the buttons, everything. And of course Windows 10 and 11 took those features out for no good reason.
What you just explained is one of the least a handful of examples of what I have been trying to tell. So many very complacent windows. Users who try to make defensive arguments against experience Linux users who tried to explain to those windows users." Why it makes sense for them to leave windows in favor of Linux "
But it is as if these complacent windows users refuse to see facts of reality about how the windows ecosystem has changed for the worst little-by-little. Across the past 2 decades guaranteed.
I mean, you could adjust the scaling...
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
Windows 95 you could change everything. Want an animated background, Sure. Want all your icons in comic sans? Sure, want your title bars hot pink, with green text when selected, yellow with white text unselected, and in apple butter font? Sure. It all was modifiable. My point is, this windows losing features every release is nothing new.
What's really odd is with all these modern new languages, huge memory footprints, they can't build the same functionality they made working in C back in 1992 in less time. They literally complained they can't figure out how to calculate the size of the display and that's why you can't change the taskbar. I am sorry, go find your visual source safe drive in a warehouse somewhere and read the code they wrote 30 years ago when they already solved this problem. Explorer.exe today takes 200mb of RAM to run, and has significantly less features than the 2mb version that we had 30 years ago. HOW?
@@SuplexCityF5 Depending on the game, Steam Proton can run a lot of Windows games better than Windows does. The only issue is online games with anti-cheat, those generally don't work
But I've been playing BG3 and Fallout 4 with no issues, even got some mods working on FO4 (had to manually install them, didn't feel like trying to get a mod manager working)
Your rant about the control panel and hiding everything is right on spot. I have the exact same opinion. The kids at Microsoft seem to feel the need to change everything their predecessors and fathers laid out. They just change things to change them no mater if what they change from made a lot more sense. Most of us use computers for our work or entertainment and to make things easier and quicker in life. Not to complicate it.
Yup, mine is multimedia & gaming specifically.
I see it more as developer bloat -- too many people working on one project all trying to justify why they should keep getting paid. This is what happens after a project is mostly done and the designers need to make a bean counter happy with continued "productivity". Someone at Microsoft has a spreadsheet showing fantastic team productivity because the data they monitor doesn't look at if the end product is good or not, only if the employees are doing active work. Metrics do not a better product make...
I don't care either way because I just type the setting that I want in the search bar and it pops up in one second.
@@flotowncomputerguy6243"bean counter" 😂😂😂😂. Excellent words!!!
@@flotowncomputerguy6243 I believe this, devs shuffling things around to give them something to do!
What I hate of 10 was the oversimplification of the UI to make it "idiot proof", hiding important tools and settings elsewhere and making troubleshooting for someone like me who is not a programmer but tinkers and fixes basic issues by ownself a true nightmare. Hearing that 11 made things even worse makes me completely turned at the idea to upgrade to it.
Windows 11 turned me to Linux , I put a virtual server together and added Win7 and Win10
i use two tools chris titus techs windows tool box and explorer patcher to make windows 11 tolerable , it was only worth the upgrade because it has better ssd perfomance and enhanced hardware security , even with that there are still things that annoy me about it.
@@ladreamin5008same using linux now
MS is destroying the very basic thing that made them the dominant OS of the entire world for so long: Compability and easy UI. There is a reason why more people nowadays go for alternate systems such as linux, most of them that mimic older and simpler versions of windowns. I absolutely hate win 10, but win 11 does makes 10 look like a good OS. Maybe its their strategy.
10 was a nightmare, I used it for ONE DAY before going back to 8.1. Unfortunately I have to use it at my workplace and I hate it so much. Haven't even seen 11 in real life yet, but I don't even want to lol.
I never considered learning linux until 11. Now I'm semi competent with Linux because of the direction Microsoft is forcing me into. This is coming from someone who Beta tested 11 and is still in the insider program.
i was used to using windows 10 until release win11 . I switched to kubuntu. it's not different anymore microsoft windows.I started using the things I used to use directly. even windows games. thanks for "steam" does.
Biggest promoters of Linux distros is Windows 11. Hmmm thanks to Valve, a tiny mobile AMD runs Windows games on Linux and a Threadripper with 64 cores can't run Windows OS. NEATO! Says EVERYTHING about the current state of Microsoft.
Lol! I agree
I'm in the same camp. I was in the insider program as well, but honestly, I was looking for a reason to go to linux. I'd worked with it off and on for about 10 years. It's finally gotten to the point where migrating isn't really that hard to do.
@@N0WYO1 my biggest problem is the programs I am used to. I can't use bartender enterprise on linux
I'm a new subscriber. I've been working with and building computers since 1977. I've ran every version of Windows since Windows 1.0. I installed Windows 11 just to try it out on a new computer I built for myself. I can honestly say that Windows 11 isn't all that bad, but I do hate that I have to spend more time digging into the clunky UI just to find most of the settings I could easily find in Windows 10. I want to spend more time just using the system and not wasting time digging through the now "hidden setting" if I encounter a problem. Microsoft just continues to crap in their own bed. I'm enjoying your channel. Your no nonsense approach to teaching people about computers is excellent. Many of the popular computer/tech channels could learn from you. Keep up the good work.
Thanks.
its a mess
Explorer Patcher (or, even better, StartAllBack if you're willing to pay) and Classic Shell will fix pretty much everything in Windows 11. It's not ideal, but makes the system alright.
@@JorgeAraujo97 Some of those do sound great, but after reading the docs and seeing what's involved, I can't quite shake the feeling that Microsoft is going to change something that'll break some of these. Another concern is if we change a lot of stuff with plugins, does it increase the chances that we might end up inadvertently swiss-cheesing some of the security as well?
@@nuk1964basically it reenables things that are still in the OS that Microsoft locked away
100 % accurate! Nice to get some validation on this! I have been doing computer repair for a long time as well and I feel like it's getting more and more frustrating with all of these crazy changes. I really hope they actually start fixing things instead of just moving things around and messing things up
Microsoft is turned into the making your os a pain to use company these days to torture you with crap you did not ask for and do not need
Microsoft and many other companies will remove and replace popular working features simply because the new developers want to create something which they can call "their improvements"... the senior developers approve these changes because then they can claim them as part of the upgrades for the OS they managed. Microsoft doesn't care about what users or businesses want, because Microsoft literally has a monopoly.
Windows 11 was more about boosting sales of new PCs than anything else. Also, Microsoft (and no doubt with Intel and AMD’s blessing) introduced the concept hardware obsolescence in to Windows support. This is similar to Apple with their operating systems and means at some point your hardware will not be able to run the latest OS. At present we all know you can work around this in Windows 11 but my guess would be that Microsoft will enforce this at some point e.g. Windows 12. It would never surprise me if in the future we will get to a stage where you buy a PC and it will be able to run n future versions of Windows. Once that is hit you either buy a new PC or you are left on your own. A real shame as I believe Microsoft’s backward support is one of the best features of Windows over the decades and has no doubt reduced the amount of e-waste.
Wrong on so many levels. Windows 11 was about getting security risk systems out of circulation like drunk driving laws get safety risk drivers off the road.
*me nervously running my 3 years old Arch install*
I would not be surprised if they forced motherboard manufacturers to ship with locked bootloaders exactly the way smartphones do.
@@steventechno I genuinely hope Microsoft gets sued if that happens because they can sod off. I won’t use windows.
@@roccociccone597 Agreed! I only use windows for EAC games and a few other things. otherwise I daily Linux!
The thing that killed Windows for me was the push to use an online account. Using an online account to access my local data and machine is an absolute no-go. That took me from someone who was ambivalent about Windows to someone who actively despises it and refuses to use it for my day-to-day tasks.
You don't have to though
@@LPgmxDan No - but you have to go out of your way to avoid making an online account at set up, and running a Windows 11 machine with only a local account causes the OS to hound you to make a Microsoft account. They are clearly moving in the direction of pulling you into their online ecosystem and making it more difficult to use your machine without being logged into their servers. I'm saying no to that now - what they've done already is bad enough. I refuse to use Windows when I have any other options available so long as they keep on this course.
Shift + F10 then type oobe/bypassnro
@@leviathan-supersystem That got patched IIRC. At this rate I have more respect for people like Ghost Spectre than Windows themselves. They're the ones busting their butts to provide the experience Microsoft refuses to provide.
@@WilliamShinal I work at geeksquad and use that command every day. Still works.
The biggest pain in Windows 11 for me is the changed Taskbar! You can't have a "Quick launch" area anymore and a Taskbar area with icons (buttons) for running programs. You can just have pinned icons. So when you're running two instances of the same program, you don't see two icons/buttons in the Taskbar, you just see one icon which is always there. Also, you can't drag and drop files from one program to another program by moving your mouse down to the Taskbar onto the other program's icon/button. You have to ALT+TAB to the destination program with your other hand and then drop the file in. Horrible!
Well the drag and drop feature has since been added, but it doesn't work if you're running Windows with UAC disabled (EnableLUA=0).
Try Open Shell
I want MS to bring back the ability for a user to change the color of the background and the fonts like they had in Win 7. That way, those of us who have vision problems can adjust the colors for maximum usability. The light and dark modes both hurt my eyes after a few hours of use.
The high contrast modes in the accessibility settings are customisable, idk what you're complaining about.
The contrast is so low at certain parts of the UI... like hovering over desktop or tray icons. I can barely see the "highlight" and I don't even have serious vision problems.
Then pick a different contrast theme or change the colors yourself to make them contrast more.
When WINDOWS 7 was released - functions that were available
in WINDOWS XP disappeared.
Since then it has been getting worse and not better/
MS is good at screwing things up = That is what they have become better at.
I still prefer using WINDOWS 7 to WINDOWS 10 which gives me
a headache.
@@kneppernicus They can. That's what I'm saying. i.imgur.com/HJbnfBL.png
One of the best features about Windows used to be that every command had several ways to do it, so you could just choose the way you preferred. It seems 11 is moving more to the Apple "our way or the highway" method of doing things.
The multiple clicks thing seems to be universal as well, every new Google app hides basic features under layers of menus, and don't get me started on TV remotes that have about 5 buttons!
I think this is rather a good thing, good software is lean, having 50 ways of doing the same thing doesn't make any sense, Apple is very sensible when it comes to that aspect, they have their way of doing (which we can disagree with), and if you want to do it another way chances are someone made a software using apple's API, for example , on my Mac I've got the alt tab of windows, (meaning like windows when I press alt-tab I've got a preview of the different apps) chances are 95% of people don't really care or need that feature, but for those who do there is the option to do it, this is a good tradeoff and if microsoft is going this way than I'm glad they they do.
@@pierreollivier1 bro is in miniority happily, i am willing to wait for windows 12 to update my system, lost hope with win 11 tbh, the whole point of windows is to be atleast not like mac which is a whole different ecosystem and speacially this guy mentions it needs special requirements which ofc would be of higher price, if we had to buy something out of our budget won't we all get mac os and iphones, like obviously we don't cause of its price that we use samsung and one plus or even REALME. society norms should be changed but it should be gradual and even if win 11 just got bombing update fixing everything after like 2 years, high chance people like me have already given up on buying a new OS of windows 12 cause maybe the system compatible with win11 might not be with win12 again.
@@ellgitongaming2038 It's going to be the same thing windows 12 is unlikely to be any better than windows 11, the reason being that windows has all those quirks, and retro-compatibilities that drags it down, in terms of actual raw performance Linux based OS will always win because they are leaner, windows is cluttered, and this is why it's so buggy all the time, it's the reason why we all had to suffer through blue screens, and windows updates, and settings that changes all the time, spyware and ads everywhere, honestly even is somehow windows becomes more stable, and more performant than linux/MacOS I don't think that would be enough to make me go with it. The only advantages of windows is gaming/software, but as soon as Microsoft will pivot toward ARM all this will disappear.
Mac isn't more expansive than windows laptop, if you include everything, yes Mac and iPhones are more expansive at purchase, but for the price you get premium machine, with well rounded hardware (which is unheard of on the windows machine market) that last for a very long time, get supported for a very long time, you get a zero bloatware/spyware/ads free experience, more privacy, a bit more transparency, you can sell your Mac for way more on the after market than any similarly price windows machine, even years after, you get a lot of free very high quality software out of the box, and there's plenty of MacOS unique software, plus the integration, battery life, is unmatched. I get that it's more expansive especially if you need more storage, but in the grand scheme of thing you can bypass Apple's ridiculous prices by buying an external ssd.
@@pierreollivier1 that’s not reality. In reality, having a good number of options available to hand is good for everyone, as long as Microsoft insists on keeping it uncustomizable. In a couple of weeks at most, one’s brain will be able to process where their most used options are located. In time, even more. Everyone is going to use things more or less often as others. By cascading things so much, you decrease productivity. Have you ever tried exiting a PC game ported from a console where the devs leave too much of the console menus in? It’s infuriating!
@@danceswithchihuahuas7092 I strongly disagree with your opinion. In my view, effective software requires a focused approach to create a high-quality user experience, accompanied by well-developed APIs that facilitate community expansion when necessary. To illustrate this point using a gaming analogy: a game with robust and well-documented APIs fosters a thriving modding community. This community enriches the experience for enthusiasts seeking more. Yet the core experience, which is deliberately designed to cater to a broad audience stay the same a good example of that is Arma 3, you have the Vanilla experience, which try to do one thing well (aka propose a good military simulation) but you can't really expect the studio to keep adding to the game indefinitely, so you promote modding to let people create the experience that they want for them and the community .
This principle holds true across all software domains. While striving to create excellent products, it's essential to acknowledge that not every decision will be flawless. This is why designing adaptable APIs is crucial, empowering the user community to extend, refine, or customize certain aspects of the software. This dual-sided dynamic presents a mutually beneficial situation.
For development teams, leveraging the community's contributions allows for additional functionality without assuming all the risk. Users who choose to incorporate these features assume responsibility for potential issues, granting valuable insights into future directions. By meticulously crafting the APIs, developers can safeguard proprietary elements while exposing only necessary components.
On the community side, this arrangement provides the opportunity to tailor software to individual preferences. The result is more refined, stable software that ultimately enhances the overall user experience. Active participation in refining frequently used tools also contributes positively to the community's engagement.
In summary, the crux of our disagreement lies in the balance between a well-crafted, opinionated software experience and the flexibility offered by adaptable APIs. While I respect your perspective, I firmly believe that focused software development, supplemented by thoughtful API design, ensures a seamless user experience while accommodating diverse user needs and preferences.
Thankyou so much. This stuff was making me feel old and out of touch for having these difficulties. to know someone like you doing this stuff as your main profession is having the same issues I have is a such a relief!
I have a Win 10 system, and every time I get the urge to install Win 11 I watch a video like this, and that urge goes away, lol. I don't use a lot of the functions you've mentioned often, but when I do I end up using them for an inordinate amount of time. It sounds like they're neglecting a lot of the quality of life improvements people really want. I think the issue stems from MS trying to make the OS as idiot-proof as possible by catering to the lowest common denominator. The vast majority of "average" users are using their PCs to check emails, watch Netflix, and dink around on social media.
I personally think, and have thought for decades, that if you buy a new PC as a new user, you should be forced to take mandatory classes on how to use the OS, and do minor hardware repairs/upgrades. Changing out parts, or installing your OS should not require a trained pro.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I swear if you update, you will regret.
@uyierwhk now tech only work's through chat, which will inevitably be a robot soon, and call backs are done for 1 hr by techs who "only work with software " and not hardware, so if they cant push you do a complete reset, they will direct you to a local tech in the end. I detest how much power we have let apple and Microsoft get over something that can potentially destroy our livelihoods.
@@-T--T- Ya know, you're totally right! I forgot about all that, lol. Now that you've mentioned it I remember seeing techs walking people through the various operations with customers at a Best Buy, or a Fry's Electronics. Kind of like how Home Depot used to have employees in each department who knew details about what they were selling. Now nobody is an "ex-carpenter" turned sales associate who can walk you through the different functions of, say, a miter saw. It's just some 20's something who treats their job like it's an inconvenience, and doesn't want to be there. Ok, it's not THAT bad, I'm just a bitter old man, whom expects too much, LOL
Same here. I just got notification saying to upgrade to windows 11. I ain't doing it anytime sooon 😂
The problem comes when you stop updating any computer system. You won't be able to run Windows 10 or 11 forever as MS will want another cash injection long before the next version shows up. @@pressure609
Once Windows 10 ends support, allot of old PCs will go to e-waste. Just like Windows Vista, PC manufacturers were building systems that barely met Windows system requirements which means they could barely run Windows Vista. Microsoft got into trouble for this
Learn that there id =s no such word in the English language as allot
Undertake an extensive reading program to better educate yourself
and learn to become proficient in the English Language.
These computers could have a much much longer live with a Linux distro and with better perfs. But people for the most will not and prefer to buy a brand new computer to use it exactly the same way that the old one. This forced obsolescence is a shame.
That dosent mean u can still use it
I thankfully still use Windows 7
@@andrew_koala2974 says the one who typed “Id =s” and doesn’t punctuate correctly and breaks up sentences in the middle of lines. Oh, and by the way, allot is a valid word in the English language. Buy a dictionary!
I agree with your complaints. While "Just switch to linux" isn't really an answer to the complaints, MSFT is really making me dedicate some time playing with Linux distributions as a backup for the day they decide I can no longer disable a bunch of their telemetry or login without a windows live account. I'm old enough to remember when it used to take more time to install Windows than it did to "tweak" it to remove all the bloat and spyware.
I feel you! I'm in the same boat. I WANT to like Windows 11, being an IT person I don't like to complain and nitpick about the details, especially design-wise, if the functionality is there... but with Windows 11, it almost feels like Microsoft WANTS to upset us. I don't understand it.
I am married to an Andra Pradesh girl. Their culture did not invent or need computers or this type of technology. I don't think it is their DNA. But this is the home of Satya.
MARKETING .... they need something 'new' to sale.
Fixing bugs is 'not' something new.
I'm a Computer Technician since 2014. I totally agree with you. The bypass I use for Network and Sharing Center is Windows Search. But you mentioned the most important issues I face. 👍
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
I don't even use the network and sharing center anymore after it all got moved to the settings app
I love how this is a really balanced take and isn’t just “new thing bad, old thing good”. And what you’re saying about the new features is bang-on. People would like the new features if the older features weren’t crippled.
Windows 8.1 was pretty good. You just had to use Classic Shell to make it usable.
Totally ! Windows 8.1 + classic shell is the windows we grew to love, stable, consistent, comprehensible
@@basilpalichev6732 Totally agree. Great system.
You're spot on with all your comments. I can't imagine why the people at Microsoft don't see how aggravating and unnecessary these issues are. I really miss the full featured Control Panel and wish they'd bring it back instead of sloooowly migrating everything to Settings.
money
@@mrguest3749 yeah well someone should bring back support for windows xp pro x64 just to snub Microsoft for being dicks to us all
For you. Those customers, this pleb is installing legacy software on their PCs doesn't appreciate he dislikes Windows 11. The average user, just wants to open Chrome and browse the web.
"I can't imagine why"... Sure you can. Design by committee. The Peter principle. Incompetent managers overriding expert UI people or not even getting expert UI people to vet the new hires for UI work, and so on.
@@PartyMusic775 just wait till they try to make the my little pony version of windows they will find a way to make that suck to🤣
My mother, father and sister used to tell me a story about the days, a time of peace in the U.S., when the Microsoft, Apple, and Linux, and others kept balance between smooth performance, smooth drive, and others! But that all change when the hackers, social security scams, hard disk drives, data and AI attacks!
Excellent video, it felt like your video was reading my brain, lol. These issues are just bad. I’ve also been in the IT support field for over 20 years and recent started working as a field tech for residential and small businesses and these things run through my head every time, especially when the client is sitting right next to me.
I am a Resi Cable Tech and totally get it.. I don't know if I can make it to retirement, And it's not the work it's the people....
I used to work in a computer repair shop and feel the same way.
I can't tell a difference between 10 and 11 I have been on 11 now for close to 2 years on my Desktop n Laptop and never have an issue....
As a VERY longtime Windows user / tech enthusiast / gamer, I still remember how Windows NT (v3.51 & 4.0) had the option to use the "Classic" (Windows 3.x -style) or the newer "Modern" (Windows 95 -style) GUI, each of which had different methods of window operation & desktop navigation as well as a distinct "look & feel" or visual language & aesthetic. The actual software engine of the OS was, of course, unchanged: the only difference was in the "shell" that lay on top of it, yet your choice of shell was a crucial one, as it affected everything about the interface between user & OS.
As the yrs marched on, newer releases from Microsoft -- including the 1st Microsoft PLUS! pack for Windows 95, Media Player 7.x, then Windows 98 itself, XP & finally Vista -- showed just how radically different in appearance & functionality different graphical shells (or "Desktop Themes" re. shells meant specifically for the Windows interface) could make the same piece of software, especially when those shells changed the level of ease-of-use & access to features on the fly at the click of a button. (Here I think Winamp deserves an honorable mention.) By the time Windows 7 was rolled out, the whole idea of being able to "hotswap" the look & feel of your Windows desktop was so well established that it seemed as much a core feature of the OS as the Control Panel.
Then, of course, Windows 8.x came along -- like a foul ball to the head. It should've been a warning sign to all Windows users that Microsoft was abandoning all pretense of putting the "user experience" 1st as a top-level priority in its proclaimed mission of "innovation": now it seems all they really care about is making each new release of Windows clash w/ the battle-proven GUI concepts that had been hammered out over decades, even to the detriment of PC tech professionals as well as power users who value their ability to operate quickly & effectively. Gotta keep coming up w/ new reasons to make users upgrade to the latest Windows release -- & force MCSEs to keep buying the newest reference texts & recertifying their credentials!
Honestly, I can't say I'm surprised ... just disappointed. Evidently, Microsoft continues to rely on the arrogant assumption that Windows users will always be too entrenched, too unwilling to embrace change, to make the leap from Windows to an alternative OS solution....
Very well said! But it's clearly incompetence too, not just malice. Not finishing the control panel replacement after so many years, and also keep removing or hiding away bits and pieces of it it's clearly them just being utter dumb.
Like Rich said, first finish the new way, give it a bit of time for people to get used to it, then remove the old stuff. And do the removal in a new version of windows, since it's radical change. How things so simple, so basic, so UX 101 escape them is beyond me!
I hope they weep seeing Linux market share increase. Though clearly these are just a result of many people in a big corporation failing to come to a decent conclusion, they don't really care. Sigh.
I agree with you 100%. I went from a Windows 10 to a Mac instead of Windows 11. The MacBook pro takes fraction of the time to load up, than my Windows 10 computer. I even had a Windows 8.1 which is the same way, with BSODs and app crashes (mostly Data Execution Prevention-related). Windows 10 was even worse. File explorer crashes all the time, along with Microsoft Edge, and even the apps from the microsoft store. BSODs are a thing too big time. And notice the performance is sluggish, along with glitches. Even bugs are another. I even have a Lenovo ThinkPad E570 and I am fixing to take a hammer to it. So glad that I switched to a Mac. If you want good performance, then Mac is the way to go.
@@JoshuaAndMom That's a bit weird. Even though I really don't like Microsoft's direction with Windows, I do have to say that it's quite good and stable.
My laptop is from 2016, very close to 7 years of age. I had 4 (four) BSOD in these 7 years, and I've used the laptop A LOT. Overall super stable and without issues (once I disabled automatic updates, those were a hassle). I have 46 days uptime right now, and it's nothing special. The most I had were exactly 100 days, and I restarted it because I did the windows updates, otherwise it still didn't had issues. Now I try to keep it around 30-40 days until I do the updates, to be safe.
And even though I don't want to touch that stupid Windows 11, I'm sure that it's also rock solid. Unless you have bad hardware (which isn't that uncommon on cheap laptops) or bad drivers.
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
Windows has become so annoying, the only reason I haven't switched to Linux is I don't have time to learn a new OS. Sounds like by the time I have to switch to Win11, I'll have enough to relearn I might as well switch then.
I love how there are a printer's Properties, a printer's Printer Properties, and a printer's Preferences, in addition to the new printer menu in Settings (that can't do everything you need to do).
With Windows 11 you have to click two or more to access things than with Windows 10, so you will have to buy a new mouse every year 😂
I whole-heartedly agree with everything you've said in this video! BRAVO! One minor exception is last I checked, Oct 14, 2025 when Win10 support ends, is MORE (not less) than 2 years away as of July 2023.
It's roughly 2 years. 🤷♂️
I'm hopping they extend support personally.
@@CyberCPU I hope governments (possibly EU) and corporations demand that they extend the support and / or relax the requirements.
@@drescherjm That will most likely happen, but only for Windows 10 Enterprise. I don't think that Win 10 home and pro will get extended.
@@drescherjmWouldn't most Governments/companies use ltsc? Ltsc has support until 2027 and Windows 10 Iot Enterprise Ltsc (Great name btw microsoft) has support until 2032
@@hfrox1 We have Education and pay around $110 per year per seat for the OS (upgrade from a licenced windows) + office.
I'm not a fan of Windows 11's UI either. However, I have to admit that the new Settings page for printers was a life saver for me this week. I had to add 3 printers onto 10 PCs - 10 driver installers in total and I was doing it manually. Windows 11 found the printers each time and installed the drivers themselves within a few mins. Far better than doing it manually. I didnt work for 1 very old printer but we weren't planning to use that one. I felt your frustration when I that 1 didnt work and I wanted the control panel, but I found it better overall.
Printer you say?
Try print something isn't the default page size.
I expected win11 to be the GUI transition OS to the new settings interface and you are so right, they have just Overcomplicated IT ALL!
They could have just spent the time ReSKINNING EVERYTHING and it would have been better.
I think one of the most insidiously confusing choices is how they took all of these different sections and just threw them into long lists of options.
The only thing I can compare it to: settings feels like they just ripped a ton of sub folders out and put everything in a parent folder.
Nothing feels organized. Matter of fact I feel like settings are so scattered that they are just going to start hiding opt-out-tracking toggles throughout and I won’t be able to find them.
yeah they are screwing things up more then anything else windows is less modern then other os's cause of how many more clicks you need to get anything done with the os now days
just imagine about older people..if i give my dad Win11 computer..he is gonna trash it for sure...how come Microsoft desigining products without doing a proper analysis?
Great video, Rich... one creepy little thing I have notice is the Drag and Drop feature is an adventure in Windows 1. D&D tends to be annoyingly temperamental. It seems to forget what's going on partway through the operation while in the process of not being sure if I am moving or copying a file.
Believing Microsoft was something I used to do early in my working career. I've had 40+ years to learn better, but fool me tried MS Windows 11 on my test-bed system. It was not something I would spend money on. Went to LMDE 6 on the test-bed, 'cause brother I'm done with Microsoft.
The biggest thing that's bothered me about using Windows 11 is the sheer lack of compatibility with products that were compatible with Windows 10. There are definitely a lot of things someone could nitpick at with this OS, but I find that to be the sleeper issue that crept up on me over time. In past OS, if a peripheral was incompatible with Windows, it would at least show up in the device manager or notify the user that it's incompatible. Windows 11 doesn't do that, instead, the device won't show anywhere. It treats incompatible devices like they aren't there at all, and having to figure that out the first few times is a bit frustrating. I shouldn't be forced to get rid of hardware peripherals that aren't outdated when updating to a new version of an OS, my general expectation would be that the OS should have backwards compatibility with most peripherals that worked with the previous version of the OS. In my personal opinion, this is a fairly large oversight from Microsoft.
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
@@SuplexCityF5 Honestly, if this trend continues with the next installment of Windows, I'll be dual booting, too.
You’re wrong, it does notify you in the task mgr and the notification bar, at least all of mine do.
I agree with the stupid system requirements of win 11. Doesn’t Microshaft understand this is creating an e waste issue !
They don’t care, give Gates his money.
Disagree* (why: cuz Microsoft don't give windows 11 tpm and secure boot requirements (for 22h2 and later i think))
The basic Windows 11 system requirements (1 GHz or more, 2 or more cores, 4 GB or more RAM, 64 GB or more storage) make sense (it will JUST ABOUT run on that, but don't expect to install your apps and get any work done on that slug!), but that's where it ends. The artificial minimum requirements stink like they were due to a deal between Microsoft and hardware manufacturers to push people into wasteful spending during lockdown just to keep their profits coming! My 12 year old computer is still a decent machine: i7 3930K (now E5-2697-v2), 64 GB DDR3, RX-580 8 GB. But is not supported by the Windows 11 E-WASTE GENERATOR requirements! I will stick with Windows 10 until support ends in Oct-2025; This gives Microsoft 18 months to stop Windows 11 from sucking, and to remove the artificial requirements. Maybe Windows 12 will be an option by then. My other option will be Linux, running any Windows specific apps on virtual machines.
I DON'T get why Microsoft HATES control panel so much and if they want people to use Settings, how about MAKE IT COMPLETE AND NO SUCK, there are so many things you CANNOT do from setting or takes SO MANY clicks/steps/sub menus to access and all it does is WASTE TIME
9:54 "Untill settings is done, leave the control panel alone." good point. I've had this same problem with Windows 10 where I get confused so many times wondering if the setting I need is in Settings or Control Panel, it's so confusing.
For the Devices and Printers you can get to the window you need by Right Clicking Devices and Printers and clicking Open.
For the Context Menu, to always get the full classic context menu hold Shift and right-click.
I think you missed the point !
18:45 «it’s been almost 2 years; Windows 11 should be better by now.»
It’s funny, because on the one hand, I totally agree - based on their resources and the poor reception Windows 11 has had and the need for improvements.
But on the other hand, I can’t help but thinking “on what basis? Given MS’s track record, why would you expect it to be any better than it is, any faster than it is?”
But on the gripping hand: when you said that my first thought was “it’s been almost 30 years [since Windows 95]; MSWindows should be better by now.”
I’ve started oscillating between Windows and Linux Mint Debian Edition. You’re really making the case for LMDE much stronger lol.
Another thing I hate about modern windows is when opening a settings window, then opening another setting, it replaces the other settings window.
Many times I'll be doing many things at the same time, checking the computer specs, searching for updates, and configuring other options. But if it uses the new settings menu it won't allow me to have multiple open at the same time. It just replaces the currently open settings window.
So frustrating.
That's another thing to add to the list of annoying things.
So it's "Window", not "WindowS" anymore?!
Tried Linux Mint 3 years ago on my old laptop, I liked it so much & now all my 3 computers have Linux mint as the main OS & i have dual boot Windows 11 just to play games
I agree with every one of your points. Windows 11 has made most operations require more clicks than before, and that is NOT an improvement. I'm still using Win 10 on my desktop computers, but using Win 11 on my laptop because that's what it came with. I'm gradually learning workarounds to make Win 11 more like Win 10, but it's still more difficult for no apparent benefit. One annoyance you didn't mention that is present with both Win 11 and 10 is that when you click on the Settings/Windows Update icon, it almost always says "You're up to date" without really checking, but when you click on "Check for updates" it then checks and often finds that you really DID have updates available. So I always check for updates each time.
I've downgraded windows 11 to 10 in my brand new laptop. Everything seems more complicated to do on w11.
I'm still running Win 10 and have avoided getting a new PC because I don't want Win 11. My gripes are the interface (of course) and the multiple clickey issues. You have enlightened me about other things to beware of. Thank you.
just download win 10 after buying a new machine ???????????????
you can downgrade, that’s what i did
Just buy a custom build.
I got a new machine and installed Windows 10 on it.
Your Shirt just killed me😂😂
Thanks, it's available in the link in the description.
Great video. The increase in clicks has been a thing since Vista really. I remember in XP that I could access the network status with a single click in the taskbar. From Vista you had to open Network and Sharing Centre and then click the interface link. I remembered getting grilled at the time by users who did it all with keyboard shortcuts or said "just use ipconfig" but it still meant a disruption to my workflow.
Alas! Good old XP days
You can literally just... Put any icon into the task bar now....
IP Config is 1 click from networking on the right or bottom.
@@shupichii9647 If you're talking about pinning it to the taskbar, well I can see two problems with that. Firstly, it takes up space that could be used for something more useful - it's not as if you'd be doing this on a daily basis unless testing or troubleshooting. Secondly, it'll only work on your machine so it's useless if on someone else's.
The more clicks thing is the biggest killer for me. Absolutely takes my workflow and breaks it over its knee. The biggest offender for me has been the forced grouping of taskbar items, i want ungrouped taskbar items. TBH i even want to not have applications taskbar items be pinned to each other either that sucks but it's manageable. But forcing grouped taskbar items made the os unusable. It's taken 2 years to get that feature back. This sucks.
Same the grouping is why i'm still on windows 10
Amazing, you hit the nail on the head with every gripe I have with windows 11. And 1000% it makes us old hats look like fools time and time again. The design choices of the context menu alone are utterly baffling. It's like they asked a professional designer what not to do and rolled with that. Half random icons, half text? WTH! Now at home I happily use fedora linux and love it. But in the professional desktop office, at least in the U.S., that's not happening.
11:27 This is a trend many programers everywere are doing, removing text and only having the icon. Another trend I hate is the shrinking/disapearing scroll bars and tiny scroll bars.
Yes, thank you! I hate the scrollbar trend soo much! Other than giving us just slightly more space, it's worse in all aspects. I hope it dies in pain. And fire.
Omg yes, i have an old monitor on 16:9 at 768p.. The world just insists on making me know my monitor is small and in need of an upgrade.. Everything is gigantic and the scroll bar just keeps shrinking.. There's a thing that is useful life that is also applied to your mouse scroll.. Maybe I like extending that too by just using the click instead
Just want to mention there is a way in Windows 11 to put your scroll bars back to original size. It is just a toggle. Just started Windows 11, so can't tell you where in the settings it is, but if you search for Wide scrollbars" you can change back to the normal scroll bars. One good thing.
Wait what? 2 years old already?
I barely noticed it was ever released!!!
Better yet, allow control panel and settings to both control basic configuration operations. There should always be more than one way to operate a computer.
The taskbar, specifically the ability to add toolbars to it. That's my main pet peeve with 11. Everything else is tolerable to various degrees, but was there a valid reason to destroy the taskbar? At least give us the option to bring it back!
a non issue, as you can extend the shell capabilities with third party apps.
@@Squall4Rinoa it's an issue when I don't want to (and shouldn't need to) use third party apps.
@@netincomesuccess If you need apps to make W11 work, than something is wrong with it.
@@johanb.7869 exactly!
These are possibly a long shot away from returning.
I believe the official terminology is `Deskbands` - Minimized functional, long-running programs, such as the Language Bar. Programs that minimize to deskbands don't display taskbar buttons when minimized and allows users to access the important commands while minimized.
Disadvantages ● Consume more taskbar space.
Documentation: UX Guide for Windows (7)
My biggest gripe with Windows has been their tenuous relationship with hardware. Killing support for older hardware that's more than capable is going to influence people to seek refuge in other os/kernel systems. At least in the private non commercial sector. I could be wrong., Though.
YOU ARE, because the Linux crowd are even crazier. They change the things because they can. Look at the hundreds of distros, complete mess. I was there, done that and ran away screaming. Been running Win 7 from 2013, loaded, locked and NEVER updated.
Not HW is old, a bit damaged from lightning and I got a new powerful PC and now I'm frozen in space: should I keep this mess of 11 or go to 10, which will be unsupported from 2025 ????+
@@panan7777 "Hundreds of distros" There's really like 3, and then flavors of those 3. Debian and it's derivatives, Arch and it's derivatives, and Fedora and theirs. I like Void, which isn't based on the others, but it's definitely not as popular as Debian or Arch.
The Linux Kernel itself just got flak for removing drivers for devices from the 1980s, do you think they really just remove things willy-nilly?
Microsoft accounts make it really easy to associate all your files with you so the next time you reinstall or even move to a new computer, they'll automatically reappear on you new computer.
Yes, that means a few more (easy) clicks by technicians, but it's also a huuuge quality of life improvement for regular users.
As for settings slowly migrating from Control Panel to Settings, I agree, I can't fathom why this has taken over 10 years and still isn't close to completion.
Hit the nail right on the head there. From someone that's been involved with PC's about the same length of time. I can only totally agree on pretty much all that you have said. I do hope someone at Microsoft is listening. How refreshing it would be to have at least one of those issues addressed.
remember to fart when people hug you
100% agree with everything you say and a windows tech with 25+ years experience although for 14 years now my workshop PC runs linux. I have also so far been able to avoid selling anything with 11 on it.
life is moving too fast windows gave us extra steps to slow life down alittle, it not just them, online banking is way more button presses than it used to be.
I've used Windows since 2.1 and ALL versions since. I actually didn't mind Win 8 because I could get the look and feel I've been used to since Win 95. But the inability to move and customise the main taskbar on a triple monitor setup without third-party tools is something that Microsoft needs to restore ASAP!
yepp, use a 3 screen setup and the controls is unstable at best since the control panel itself uninstall itself at random times.. and my surround is dependent of the control panel. No download link neither, asked several times.
I use the more "stable" windows 10 though... its a semi stable mess...
You can still access all of the control panel options using the address bar. Using this for navigate directly to the control panel item that you're trying to get to such as device and printers and it will open in the control panel.
it may take linking some stuff either to the desktop or task bar, but it's not arduous. I'm so used to Win11 now that while I could go back, I don't care to. It's easy to get around, I tend to think this kind of debate is just the normal people wanting to geek out and have a sook about the difference between operating systems like we saw post Win 7 - oh no you may have to click on more than one thing to find what you want or use the search function, how ever will we cope!
Wine is actually getting good enough that “switch to Linux” will probably be my answer for desktop once Win10 drops support.
I like your attitude on this a lot. I've seen too many anti-W11 just for the sake of it. Your stance on the control panel is one that allows for change and progress while still calling out the dumb moves (I've been personally frustrated by the Devices & Printers page too).
That anti-W11 stance is not without justification. If you don't experience with previous Windows they you will never understand the gripes against Microsoft Windows 11. Microsoft must had fired their best engineers.
The last version of windows I liked using was Windows XP, windows 7 was okay, and Windows 10 frustrated me to the point of switching to Linux.
If you don't like the way Windows 10 or 11 act, and you're willing to learn how to use it, Linux Mint is pretty easy to get into... just be sure to back up your important files and a disk image of your system, in case you change your mind.
OpenShell, tuneups, and turnoffs I've made over last few years have W10 running quite nice. Liking it as much now as I did my fave's XP (64 bit) & W7. Can't go wrong with about any Ubuntu flavour with Mate being my fave
Its not just the context menu in windows though thats the biggest example, but working in corporate america for a while, all the software being developed seems to be being developed by people not at all concerned with making 'good software'.
They eliminate so many things that make no real sense to eliminate. Like we have this new piece of software for filing tickets.... the bottom has a drop down list of a loooot of names of assignments for which you are filing the ticket....
For aome reason you cant just tab into the drop down and start typing the option you are looking for. You have to click on it and scroll scroll scroll down if youre unlucky enough to be filing tickets for an asimsignment all the way down at the bottom of the alphabet. Like.... no sense....
Along similar lines... my department uses excel's custom filters alot, contains one field and contains another. You used to be able to tab into the dropdowns, select the option by typing, then tab out with that option being actually selected. Out of nowhere, one update... gone. You can still type to HIGHLIGHT the option but now have to hit the enter key or click with the mouse.
I dunno if its a generational thing or what.
I agree with your critique and sentiment. For me what is shocking, in my view, that several features destined for windows 10 upgrades was ported to windows, from what I saw, with no path of upgrading them to windows 10, such as a more integrated live tiles to the desktop, improvinng snapping apps and some personalization features. While a departure of how live tiles were phased out more to the start menu instead of wishfully integrating them to the desktop, the current Os feels more like an android OS from 10 years ago and an odd choice. And then then is the special hardware requirements for windows 11 to run on
I've invested on upgrading older hardware that still works fine. For me the upgrade tequirement is the last straw to invest in microsft after more than 20 years. Together with a less valuable upgrade to windows 10 with having to invest more into new hardware, further losing income to more overhead investments, I think for me to stop investing in microsft. The only value it still has for me is office 365 which supports other hardware quite well and offline use of the software is okay with teasonable online synchronization software that almost hits the okay mark on quality. The ecosystem of office 365 on android for example is quite okay and I don't need windows really, except for desktop productivity. But is not good enough to warrant an upgrade to windows 11, even though microsoft may change the policies in the future. For a consumer or small business I don't think microsfts business model makes sense anymore and only makes sense for bigger businesses. But I think Windows 11 or higher is not interesting for a consumer anymore and the investment of additional continuous overhead costs. I think it is a toxic business model that doesn't have the customers interest at hart of likely wanting a bigger for profit model. I see that with the strange itterative updates that don't match the feedback heb comments sent back and these odd patchy updates, that are being mondblowingly chaotic in nature, and make no sense to me. There have been mentions of staafing issues and not enough developers to deliver quality updayes. I don't know how it is now, but from the critique of the video I gather I'm getting a picture that microsft is still struggling, even in business with windows. Only the office suite seems to be working well, although I've noticed on android it still requires still a lot of repeating feedback after every update to keep feedback focussed on improving lingering inssues that last longer than 12 months. An example has been the fact it has been very difficult to add images as a file for the longest time, or personalize the mail inbox layout for a more cleaner look for over 12 months while, it has been available on windows and windows 10 mobile for over 3 years!! It's these kind of inconsistencies that are a lingering headache with Microsofts ecosystems, even though windows 10 has been with us since 2014/2015. And the headache hasn't in my view changed from windows 7 to 8 and 8 to 10. Windows 10 still innmy view has a lot of potential of only the half baked features were adressed, that still haven't been. I think windows 10 would still be strong. I don't understand why microsft seems to show the sentiment of giving up, even though perhaps argumentitively contractually, on windows 10. Windows 11 and 12 in my view does not make sense to the road map the comapny portrayed and communicated to the public and customers between 2015-2019. It feels a little bit like what Nadella recently said have regrets having to stop windows 10 mobile. This feels the same and I do not understand Microsfts underlying motivation to start on windows 11, even move on to 12 for that matter. I feel there is no mission statement behind it that makes sense.
i've been using windows since always, the pc we had in my family at first was running xp, i've seen Windows 7 in places like school and i always wanted to use it myself, then my dad's laptop was running windows 8 which i actually liked (i always open the start menu with the keyboard shortcut so i didnt even notice the start button was gone and having it in full screen looked cool to me) and then i had my own laptop with windows 10, which all i disliked was how they kept forcing to update at the worst moments and file explorer sometimes melting, but i forgave it because updates became less annoying over time and the file explorer glitches were fixed, and overall windows 10 felt good enough
my laptop doesnt officially support windows 11, and since the only problem is the cpu being just a bit old, i tried to install it anyways and it felt usable in terms of performance
But the problems you pointed out, the end of life of windows 10 getting closer and microsoft adding more unnecessary stuff to make the system slower (like the ai thing they announced) instead of fixing the problems with windows 11 are the reasons that i basically felt forced to switch to linux
i really like windows, and as much as im liking linux, if i had to choose windows 7 or linux i would go with windows 7, but microsoft has been making such questionable decisions that i felt forced to say bye to windows
Windows Vista 2
Not really; at least Vista brought innovation but had horrible optimization. Windows 11 is just a facelift and making change for the sake of change
Windows Mexp
Vista reversed
For example vista does not limit the user for the hardware but has awful performance but windows 11 is the opposite
Vista at least could run on any computer(badly) but was possible without enforcing buying a new PC
Operating system user interfaces were a solved problem 10 years ago. All these changes just cause confusion.
I completely agree with everything you said. I assisted a customer with a laptop she bought at Costco with a slow CPU and ONLY 4G of RAM. Of course it was preloaded with a version of Windows 11 that was 1 + 1/2 years old. Even though I advised against it, she wanted hers connected to her Microsoft account. Since she had only WiFi, it took over 24 hours to update windows 11, and setup her new laptop with the account. When I came back, it had crashed. When I forced it to power off, and got it up again it sat there recovering for another couple hours before it started working. This is by far the most incredibly bad new computer experience I've ever witnessed.
At least, was the customer convinced of how bad of an idea was that ?
You are spot on in your complaints, I have been running 11 for a couple of months now, did the registry hack to fix the context menu, put a link to Control Panel on my desktop, and kind of forgot about it. But yeah, I hate the "abbreviated menus" and having to click another option to get you back to the menu you are used to. I tweak it to make it easier, but having to use other people's computers without your own personal tweaks, I totally sympathize, that really sucks. I remember setting up 11, I bypassed the restriction for a Microsoft account (there was a workaround I found on youtube), so I login to my 11 machine with a username and password, just like 10, no Microsoft account. And the hardware restrictions are totally arbitrary just like you said. I can navigate around the difficulties, but many users may not be able to. And why should any of us have to? The restrictions of 11 are ridiculous, unnecessary, and seem like a money grab, forcing everyone to buy new computers with "free" Win 11. Thanks Micro$oft.
The almost forced use of a Microsoft account is bad design for so many reasons. Unfortunately since Microsoft has a monopoly there's nothing which can be done except switching to Linux.
It's taken you this long to realise it? It went down the toilet after XP.
I agree with everything you mentioned. I am fed up with MS. The stupidity of some of their changes is on another level and hiding control panel features that work better than their new settings counterpart is annoying.
No one has fed up with Microsoft, except for windows 11 haters
@@anisoyo973 You know there are people that ACTUALLY USE the PC for WORK, for decades and have ABSOLUTELY NO WILL and TIME to wrestle with the new system, when the old one is working perfectly well. I have yet to see a feature to make me say: WOW, I NEED this.
Microsoft is getting ready to release in Windows 11 23H2 in a few months, but I don't think it will fix these problems
Great video! Another example is my use of bluetooth ear buds for watching all videos including youtube. About 6 months ago, the earbuds stopped staying paired to the computer when there was no audio being sent to them. That meant that switching TH-cam videos would result in the earbuds disconnecting. It takes 8 clicks to re-connect, every time you switch videos. Yesterday, they pushed a new update to me, and this problem has improved, but the computer still cannot remember the earbuds after a shutdown. For this reason and the ones you outline in this video, I am switching to Linux. 2 of my 4 computers are already running Linux, and it gets better as I learn more about it. I was a windows user since 3.1, and a DOS user since 1.1. Goodbye, Microsoft!!!
The frustrating thing too about the control panel reduction and convolution is that there's no actual equivalent.. you can't access everything in it through the settings menu.. and of course the elephant in the room being that navigating the settings menu is a freaking nightmare, like there's this modern trend of tabs on tabs on tabs.. if I want to change some basic options in the UI interface or display properties.. I'll have to switch between several different major categories, and often have to go into the legacy control panel..
I would absolutely be okay with having both.. keep the control panel around for the people that have familiarize themselves with it unless you're changing the actual function of the thing itself.. and God forbid actually updated in the control panel with the new function.. or God forbid have the function in the settings menu.. and I can't believe that it is a thing where I'm just hoping that just having the options all there in the first place.. and having it be easily navigateable are thoughts that I think are unrealistic to hope for.. I would just hope for it all to be there at this point..
I don't understand why they need to nest and reorganize.. I feel like I'm going on a a research rabbit hole to find where things go to because you have to go to a thing to go to a thing to go to a thing.. and God forbid it's just not there in the first place like the screensaver menu..
One thing that I actually liked about the switch to Windows 10 was that they expanded the operating tools and control over various functions.. I was genuinely surprised.. it seems like they've been trying to walk that back because it might have been a mistake in terms of allowing inherent means of disabling garbage features or configuring them that they may actually want.. and I assume this is why it completely resets them every time you update.. but at the same time they did it, and it was a nice expansion on the way Windows 7 worked which by comparison really felt locked down.. but at the same time Windows 7 wasn't trying to run my computer like a peer-to-peer system to shove updates down a pipeline with a convoluted monkey's paw inspired scheduling system that has pushed me to take a significant amount of extra effort to disable them in the first place..
The fact that Windows 11 takes the dumbest convolutions and problems with Windows 10 that you would look at as bugs to be ironed out or fixed and pushes them like it's a feature.. it really is confusing... remember when previous windows iterations would offer something significant in order to inspire the user to update? Like 64-bit.. or advanced customizing user interfaces or I don't know anything or or something.. rather than offering less things.. and broken things and then trying to force the update by restricting any potential improvements to the broken things to the new operating system so it's like.. it's almost like they hired a crossroads demon and he just doesn't understand that this isn't the best way to do business because he doesn't know anything better and well he's an excellent curse and reward monkey's paw architect, it's all he knows..
I think the issue is that hardware today lasts a long time. It's not like in 1990's when you would upgrade hardware every 12-18 months.
I think you're quite right, as long as we're talking about reasonably high-specs PCs the curve of obsolescence is relatively flat; A friend of mine is still quite satisfied gaming on an i5-3570K based system I gave him years ago. The 1990s had much faster upgrade paths, but I think peak insanity was reached in the early 2000s when competition between Intel/AMD and nVidia/ATI was fierce: you could literally build a top of the line system and have it struggle badly to run new software and games less than 12 months later.
I refused to downgrade to 11, and the next time I build a pc, I'm fully migrating to Linux.
I really prefer windows 10, the options in the control panel are better. I upgraded to windows 11 as I was having issues with input lag on 10, using Logitech mice. The performance of 11 is equal to 10, at least in synthetic tests.
I just started using win11 on my i7-7700K/32gb ram/gtx 1070 system, thanks to your steb-by-step installation video... but i gotta say, only after 2 weeks of using it, i'm already considering going back to win10 since i don't like win11 one bit... i mainly use it for gaming/media consumption & occasional programing, but where I just simply can't stand win11 is at gaming, where i spent more than a day trubleshooting an issue where the games (for example cs:go, etc) shows that its runing at 200-300+ fps, but in realitly, the game runs like MS powerpoint, with it constantly stutering and gaming "micro-lag" issues. I'll probalby be going back to win10 and hope that win12 (in a year or so, is hopefully better)
ngl i stay with an older version as long as i can. i have probably only seen 4 versions in my life from msdos to 98 to NT to 7 to 10. i really miss NT and wish there was another monopoly breakup so that competitors could release generic clones of older more beloved versions.
Windows 11 is Windows 8 all over. Windows 10 is still so awesome - Microsoft should have just continued supporting it!
As an avid Linux user, I completely respect people's choice not to use Linux. Its not for everyone. However, Microsoft will never get better. They might roll back some of the arbitrary UI changes with enough backlash, but they will never stop making anti-consumer decisions like arbitrarily dropping support for more than adequate hardware. As long as Microsoft retains a monopoly on desktop operating systems, things WILL NEVER get better. For those like myself, switching to Linux was the solution, but I totally get it if thats not the solution for you. Maybe it means finally breaking out those anti-trust laws and breaking Microsoft apart? Either way, you have two options: continue muddling through whatever abuse Microsoft throws your way or do something about it.
Linux will never become the mainstream desktop operating system.
Fragmentation on Linux is insane.
There are close to 1000 different Linux distros, each distro often has 2-3 different versions that are in constant development.
On top of that then you have different desktop gui interfaces.
The most insane fragmentation ever, in any technology category.
@@nekrosoft13 Different desktop are hardly different "versions". DO grow up
@@nekrosoft13some people want to be abused. You cannot stop them! Megadaft is banking on them which explains their audaciousness in doing what they do with impunity: Pissing off their very fanboyz is a height not even Linux can hope to beat in it’s wildest wet-dreams in my opinion.
@@nekrosoft13Just stick to the most popular upstream, like that you reduce the choice paralysis to just 4: Debian, Mynt, Arch and Ubuntu. It's the downstream that's enthusiast-grade+ in terms of their accessibility, the rest of the troubles with Linux come more from program compatibility because people can't really be arsed to make their stuff compatible with Linux as long as Linux isn't widespread.
I'm a lifetime windows user but after installing Ubuntu on older laptops and getting over the learning curve it's just so much better usability wise but the compatibility problems with my usual software just doesn't allow me to stay on it
Thank you for making this video. I was thinking of upgrading to Window 11. Now I am happy with window 10.
May be an idea to create a stripped down Windows 11 for customers, default it with the reg hack like the right click, "Administrator" account pre setup and install that. Leave edge in for the customer but make it easier on your self at least when giving customers a fresh OS. Also remove the TPM and processor restrictions from the ISO as well.
Doesn't have to be as stripped down as say Tiny 11 but has enough tweaks that it makes it easier for you and makes it easier for the customer. Just a thought.
That's one route. However, I don't install Windows on most customers systems. I'm almost always dealing with a factory install or an install done by someone else.
I my totally with you man! They need to leave the control panel alone until they can sort it out!
I’ve used W11 at work and god it’s terrible. Microsoft biggest problem is that they try so hard to look “good” that they’re sacrificing functionality over that. They want to copy other OS interfaces so bad, but don’t understand that what makes windows unique and fast to use are the very things that they’re putting their hands on right now. Windows 11 seems to prioritize everything but usability. That context menu is shit, the settings shows just a minimum part of what you need and most of the times are useless. Whoever is at charge of the whole “modernization” process started with Windows 8 needs to understand that we do NOT care about how shit looks, we just want it to get done. Give me back Windows 95 theme and simplicity ffs
Win8 wasn’t as horrible as ME, that’s for sure.
I'm a simple man, with simple needs. I just want my UI to work like windows 7.
I have an old laptop that had windows 7 on it, and I decided to make it a Linux machine. Then forgot about it. Meanwhile my main desktop has win11 on it and I really really really started to dislike it for many reasons, including the ones you also talked about. Just last week, I found the laptop again, sitting on the shelf for months, and I said, what the hell, let me see what's up. Plugged it in, battery completely dead, waited about 2 minutes before pushing the power button. Bang! Linux Mint loads in like 5 seconds. Beautiful UI, network is on, discovers my printer and runs pretty fast, considering the age of the laptop from 2008 or something, I'm watching videos, checking out some stuff. It literally felt like a breath of fresh air, with no pop up stuff and no annoying messages. Yes, I had the icon appear on the lower right corner that there are new updates, but no nagging about it and neither force downloading itself . Also it seems like Linux brings out more colors? Maybe just an illusion, but to me it seems like I see more vibrant colors on my monitor vs. Windows. I could be just imagining it though.
I know Linux on a basic level, used it before about 5-10yrs ago, so lately I really consider switching teams now, especially that the new PCs are powerful enough that I can actually do whatever through vine or other app in linux to run windows or windows apps within Linux.
I used windows 11 for work. It took time to get used to and still havent really gotten as efficient with it as with 10 after 6 months working with it. And thinking about it, there isnt anything apart from file explorer tabs that made me really like 11 more over 10, and maybe built-in Windows terminal which i use quite a bit instead of having to install it from the store.
I tried it and am back on windows 10 cause it's nicer and faster then windows 11 is for gaming plain and simple
I still will use windows 10 pro for a bit longer but once I build a new pc I may give windows 11 a shot. I have also been trying out ubuntu linux on my mac mini from like 2012 and that seems to be really reliable it really made my old mac usable again. I do miss windows xp though that was the best os they ever had honestly.
You're damn spot on!
The context menu is killing me and my productivity.
Your statements describing the problems of Microsoft Windows 11 cause me to agree with you all the way. Your presentation is more valuable and important to us than its worth [which is high]. I find that Windows 11 is good for the computer programmer and the computer technician, but learning it as a beginner is like trying to learn to play the piano before learning to play the organ. It should be commended. 👍
I completely agree with this video. I've been a Windows user since 3.1 as well and found that every other version of Windows was bad. Hopefully with the roll out of Windows 12 (maybe in 2024), Windows will be better again. Look at the history of all Windows variations. One was good, followed by a bad version, then followed by a good version (Example: Windows 7 was good, while Windows 8 was bad, then Windows 10 was good).
Every other version tends to build on a mostly completed project or have overrun in terms of Microsoft not having a clear idea of what they want Windows to be. Vista went through development hell and was about five years ahead of the hardware that would have run it fluidly. 8 assumed there would be a touch screen revolution and that eventually we would have the same interface on all devices, phones included. Windows 11 tries to be too many things at once; Microsoft threw crap at the wall and is seeing what sticks and if they can get away with forcing online accounts. They would love to turn Windows into a subscription service
Well, hate to be that guy, but both Windows 95 and Window 98 were excellent! Actually, Windows 3.1 too, so that's 3 in a row ? Same for Windows 2000 and XP!
But, yeah, starting with Windows Me onwards, it was one good one bad.
Just installed 11 for the first time yesterday. My first impressions were its terrible. Some things are decent but the icons and feel is taking me away from the PC and towards tablet and cell phone software. I personally dont like my phone over a PC ever, in fact i cant wait for the next best thing to come along so im not controled by a phone. Great video as usual.
I actually love win 11 but only because I use 3rd party tools to remove the crap. I think Microsoft will have no choice but to extend 10 support because the TPM 2 requirement for 11 is not going to pass for very many (still perfectly good) computers. Even if it forces some small percentage of users to upgrade their PC, then it will generate an insane amount of unnecessary ewaste.
Yeah, that's completely retarded. I buy computers from Linux companies like Tuxedo, System76 or Slimbook now. I'm done feeding the massive corporate tech beast when I can avoid it.
Can you please share some of the third party tools you use to remove the crap in Windows 11?
That also tells a lot about the users willing to trash a perfectly working computer, just because the OS got out of support. By that time I really hope that the masses learn about Linux. Or that they realize that the can simply still use the computer with Windows 10, though preferably not more than, say, 1 year after its support expire. Because it being 2 days out of support doesn't mean it suddenly doesn't work anymore or that it's full of security holes.
The only thing I find annoying is the context menu, otherwise I really don’t have a problem with Windows 11
Windows 8.0 had a lot of driver issues and introduced a lot of bugs, which was largely the result of that new additional gui to accomodate the ms app store. Windows 8.1 I had no real problem with, and was the last stop gap before the bloat set in. Windows 10 introduced many features in an attempt to compete with third parties. Despite taking up near 100GB on a large drive (some, but not alot of that, is probably reserved space) Windows 11 is a very minor update with a refreshed gui, new icon set and a few tweaks with a couple of things added or missing. Nothing major. The right click menu should have a feature to go to Show More Options by default, resizing and dragging to the taskbar should be put back in. Even the other changes are largely visual and don't warrant tacking on an 11 as a new OS. As for the traditional control panel options, they are on the desktop by default? If not there already, just create a traditional Control Panel shortcut (right click, new>shortcut>control). If you don't like the start button on 7, 8, 10, 11 you can just install the newest openshell. Or in 11, just reposition the taskbar's main window icon to the left hand side.
I agree that Windows 11 is primarily a visual update, and although the hardware requirements have seemingly increased, I have an older computer (which was obviously incompatible with 11) and installed 11 on it. The performance was like poop. I tried to downgrade to the latest 10, and the performance was only marginally better.
I find the worst example of updates slowing down a system in time is with smartphones. My old laptop is from 2012 and runs 10 on an hdd drive. It takes a long time to startup but other than that is ok. If I didn't update to a desktop system Id probably consider swapping it's hdd drive for an ssd that'll fit for faster boot up.. and finally thermal repaste the cpu to stop it overheating (im many years late for that, but it can be awkward to do on a laptop)@@27.minhquangvo76
Microsoft doesn't fix it because they don't think it's broken
Actually I believe moving to a Linux distro is the the answer. Of the 14 machines I have - that used to be windows - only 3 are still windows, the rest are Ubuntu mainly and a few other distros. Two of those are Windows because some of the games we have on steam will only run on Windows. The other because of some proprietary machine dependant software. Any new equipment or games we buy have to be able to run on Linux. Also, I believe only 1 of my machines, an i9-13900k is Windows 11 capable (it runs Ubuntu 22.04), and all of my machines except 1 run at over 4GHZ. LOL
Yawn..there always has to be 1 incel in any comment section like this. Good for you, self cutting virgin! You use Linux EMBRACE the loneliness. (I mean, clearly you already have with that facial hair.)
I appreciate the fact that you deal honestly with Windows' _many_ shortcomings. I am anti-Windows/Microsoft because I think domination of the home PC market leads to this kind of anti-consumer, throw-stuff-at-the-wall-and-not-care-if-it's-giving-customers-problems mentality that Microsoft has.
So right
Video starts at 4:36
One reason this may be happening: security. The company I work for supplies computers (and software) to certain public utilities. These utilities do not want individually configurable computers; they want that to be IT'S responsibility. Puts a big strain on IT. Given the nature of these companies it is understandable. But when it comes down to personal computers, it doesn't work.
They do use enterprise and pro operating systems. They simply don't want anybody to have remote access to their network, including IT. Makes it hard to do remote diagnosis. I ha e to drive about an hour to diagnose a simple problem.
I can relate to the new computers running windows 11
I was at a Sam’s Club looking at newer gaming pc’s a few months ago
All of them were playing a preview video and they all were doing very good….except for one laptop..
It was just chugging when it was playing that video I forget what brand it was but it was just having problems with the preview the other computers were doing great
This reminds me of when people hated Vista and MS rushed out another OS ASAFP. This also reminds me of when people hated W8 and MS rushed out another OS ASAFP. My roommate's new PC has W11 on it and he HATES it. I just bought a used ThinkPad w/ W11 on it and I couldn't clean install W10 onto it fast enough. Rumor is W12 is due late 2024. I will likely wait a year or two before I try it. Micro$oft has gone SO FAR DOWNHILL in the last several years. Now they make $ collecting your data AND selling the OS to you AND they act like YOUR COMPUTER belongs to them and they're only letting you use it. Government used to break up companies that acted this way. This reminds me of when the government...
Windows-11... What international garbage.🤮
The UI is exactly as you said it is. Well, actually its worse.
Unfortunately since MacOS 13 (Ventura) I can see things are getting a little worse on the MacOS side too. meh... I have an old laptop running a Linux Mint distro. I guess that will be my new "safe space".😅
Thanks for another great video CyberCPU Tech!🥰
Thank you.