Porsche CEO: "This New Hydrogen Combustion Engine Will DESTROY EVs!"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video, we look into a game-changing news made by Porsche's CEO, Oliver Blume, who has sparked interest in the automotive sector with the discovery of a hydrogen combustion engine. Join us as we investigate this trailblazing step forward that promises to combine the visceral excitement of high-performance sports cars with the urgent need for sustainability.
Dive into an in-depth conversation regarding the probable shift in high-end motoring's future. Learn how Porsche, a brand known for its racing heritage and luxury sports vehicles such as the 911, Boxster, and Cayman, is disrupting the current quo and redefining the future technology roadmap. We compare this move to the electric vehicle (EV) boom driven by industry titans like Tesla with their Model S and Model 3, as well as the proliferation of EVs from classic automakers like General Motors with the Chevrolet Bolt and Ford with their Mustang Mach-E.
This documentary-style movie takes you behind the scenes of Porsche's bold venture, emphasising the link between driving excitement and environmental awareness. It's a conversation between the past and the future in which we look at the role of traditional automakers in a rapidly changing industry. The hydrogen combustion engine is more than just a scientific advancement; it is a game changer that has the potential to reshape the dynamics of energy reliance and transform the landscape of worldwide automotive leadership.
In a market dominated by the push towards battery electric vehicles, Porsche's move is a bold statement. We contrast the tactics of competitors that have extensively invested in electric powertrains, such as BMW's electrified iSeries, Audi's e-tron range, and Mercedes-Benz's EQ brand. Porsche's alternate path to sustainability, on the other hand, raises intriguing issues about the future of performance automobiles in an environmentally conscious world.
Learn how Porsche's strategy may affect not only other premium sports car manufacturers, but also firms like as Toyota and Hyundai, which have made substantial gains in hydrogen fuel cell technology. We talk about the broader ramifications for the automotive ecosystem, the difficulties of constructing a hydrogen infrastructure, and how this relates to customer expectations and regulatory frameworks.
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Combustion engines run by synthetic fuels derived from green hydrogen are more likely to happen that combustion engines run by hydrogen. In any case, let’s hope that Porshe will save the combustion engine in a way or another
Could be fucsia hidrogen?
Not only Porsche but Hyundai, Toyota, Mercedes and probably a few more soon.
Efficiency of hydrogen based fuel is a question. If it is so low that multiply by 3 or 4 the required energy (elec), it may not be a suitable approach…
Note that combustion engine can’t exceed 40% (it is the theory for almost 2 century,cf Carnot) adding hydrogen production efficiency plus conversion to synthetic fuel. It should end into efficiency max of 10 to 20%… quite low to start a revolution …
The combustion engine needs to be demolished, not saved.
The technology exists for engines since the 70's (Audi) and can be improved. It is not a car problem, it is a problem of oil multies to change the type of business to go new ways! 😊
The BMW experiment was NOT limited by infrastructure, it was limited by an inability to maintain the temperatures required for liquid hydrogen storage, which was attempted after calculating that the specific energy (volume for energy produced) of Hydrogen would require the entire vehicle be devoted to high-pressure storage tanks to approach anything like reasonable distance.
Cryogenic H2 is extremely prone to leaking. Just Google all the problems NASA has had with liquid hydrogen (Space Shuttle and Artemis), it's not something we will ever see in a car realistically.
There WILL be a hydrogen infrastructure. JCB and others have demonstrated that plant and heavy vehicles will be too heavy to be electric. We depend on plant and HGV vehicles for construction and distribution, so they will have to have a refuelling infrastructure.
There will also be a need for cars that do not depend on electricity. Research has proven that (in the UK) 55% of the driving population will not have practical vehicle charging at their residence. EVs maybe part of the solution which will have to be a multi sourced solutions. Just my humble, but concerned opinion.
With the price tag of Porsche they can end nothing
Tesla Model X costs more than a base Cayenne, wake the fuck up! VW group is Porsche AUDI and VW. Tesla can never beat the low cost of Golfs and Passats. You really think that Cyber truck will cost $40K while Ford and Rivian are selling EV trucks for $90K++. Go back to sleep
Like Tesla, they developed their inaugural expensive electric vehicles at a time when no other car manufacturers were able to utilize the same tech for a lower price… oh wait
What a fantastic concept! Where can I refill my hydrogen powered Porsche?
Trade it
There didn't used to be battery recharging stations either...
At the hydrogen store of course.
If you were hoping for a film about hydrogen and how it works, this is NOT for you as the only energy source generated is that of hot air for Mr voice-over man.
Porsche owns a refinery in Chile that produces zero carbon gasoline by combining green hydrogen (produced via wind turbines and electrolyzers) and sequestered carbon from a nearby power plant to produce renewable methanol, which is refined into renewable gasoline. I believe they’re using it in their race cars. If they can get the cost to, say, under $10/gallon then this could be an exciting opportunity and a drop-in fuel for existing gas stations.
10 dollar per gallon is never going to happen.
And commercial amounts of this fuel ether.
Of course, this video doesn't mention that hydrogen isn't a fuel... it cannot be drilled for as methane can be, it has to be manufactured, (usually by electrolysis of water) hence it is a means of storing and moving energy as opposed to an energy source. It also has significant drawbacks in that it corrodes metal parts (embrittlement) and has a significantly lower energy density and boiling point than other gases such as butane. These characteristics led to numerous problems on the space shuttle, so much so that many rocket firms dropped using hydrogen in favour of methane.
Hydrogen engines have been around for a very long time. Nothing new there. But there is almost zero infrastructure. Whereas electricity is everywhere. I call BS
I hope it will become successful & become contender to EV. Then we consumers can enjoy a competitive price, not monopolized price.
It takes roughly 50-55 kWh of electricty to produce 1kg of hydrogen. 1kg of hydrogen has exactly 33.33 kWh of energy. Meaning it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the energy you get from it as a fuel source.
Hydrogen ICE will never happen except in a few select places. H2 colour is important. It has to be produced properly. And you still need distribution infrastructure while the electric is already there, just needs to be beefed up.
Hydrogen will never be viable and most likely never happen period. It takes roughly 50-55 kWh of electricty to produce 1kg of hydrogen. 1kg of hydrogen has exactly 33.33 kWh of energy. Meaning it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the energy you get from it as a fuel source.
Porsche's CEO just dug the brand's grave.
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Ikr - if you know hydrogen engines and the logistics in getting out there it’s a joke…
I think cold country would not like EV, the cold winter tends to reduce the battery capacity, while in hot tropical countries this wont be an issue
On the other hand, Hydrogen might be good for Colder countries, for a Hot country the worry is a hydrogen fuel tank can be dangerous and highly flammable. So what works for 1 country may not work for another country.
Go to scandinavia and tell us again.
Others have done this and it’s been a big thud. The infrastructure issues are significant. Perhaps if they started small with F1 Hydro racing to demo the tech.
We'vehad tens of trillion of miles of combustion engine transportaion. We're beyond the need for demo.
The fact that a lot of your videos lately have been titled similarly saying “this will destroy EV’s” regardless who from, is making me take your videos less seriously.
This feels basically the same as the Toyota video you did recently when comparing their hydrogen experiments.
What it doesn’t necessarily mean, is that this “will destroy EV’s”.
I’d love to retain combustion engines. But a hydrogen combustion engine is highly unlikely to happen.
It must be said too that range anxiety isn’t what it used to be. The biggest issue however is still charging times though.
Interesting choice! It will probably be a very small niche, if successful. The drawbacks compared to BEV’s are immense. Hydrogen FC uses incredibly more energy than BEV’s. Well to wheel efficiency is just 30% (BEV 80%). If you burn it in an engine, it will be waaaay worse. Green hydrogen is scarce, it can better be used for making green steel (see hydrogen ladder). Also, this engine will spew out some NOx as well. And the range will be horrible. Something positive? Well maybe it is like a tourbillon to quartz watches.
Water vapour is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. 😮 Apart from that it sounds like a really good long term solution. Also addresses the main problem of EVs which is infrastructure for refuelling. H2 can be stored in tanks like petrol and delivered in bulk by trucks as well.
Unfortunately, unlike other videos, this one says nothing about the technical hurdles to overcome. It looks just like a promotional viodeo.
Here they are making engines that use alternative fuel sources, when there is an abundance of gasoline!
This segment was talking about ICE hydrogen engines while showing a graphic of a fuel cell arrangement. Going back and forth between different technologies without any explanation. I am all for hydrogen ICE engines and many others have proof of concept however hydrogen production is the key.
Awesome . Hope it will be an alternative to the EVs.
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One of the front tires is installed incorrectly.
Bet you did this for feedback. I see this strategy all the time now.
Why should anyone pick hydrogen over electricity? The amount of power needed to produce hydrogen is colossal. There's no way hydrogen will become the future unless a somehow easier and cheaper means of producing hydrogen gets discovered, or nuclear / fusion power becomes standard in the countries these cars will be sold in.
If it makes sense to anybody ... it's for Sport car Companies .... since most of their customers are into hearing a real Engine ... from the Mobility and Energie side of things ... it makes no sense since producing and transporting Hydrogen (until today at least) already needs as much energy as it takes to drive the car
Well, of course, Porsche does this only a few will be able to afford it and just like that special fuel they developed it’s not scalable
That's all very well but are they going to invest in the infrastructure to re fuel with hydrogen? Currently their are no refueling stations in existence in the south island & their are no hydrogen car's for sale for the same reason. Storing Hydrogen & dispensing it is a problem that they need to overcome.
Hindenberg?
Hindenburg!
BMW tried this in 2010. Refueling is the problem. This will never happen if you don’t invest in fueling stations
In the end hydrogen engines are ev engines the difference is instead of a battery pack you have a hydrogen cell. So it all comes down to what weighs less a hydrogen cell or battery cell and i dont see how hydrogen could weigh less. I only see hydrogen working for larger trucks and busses.
Petrol stations could create their very own hydrogen supply, by having a system in place that electrifies water and extracts the hydrogen into a tank on site constantly. We can even have small home set ups.
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Get yourself informed before stating such nonsense
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After you get the very first electric bill, you will stop to produce Hydrogen. Dream on, but before you waste more of your time document yourself first. But it is very useful to know that to produce electricity from the Sun is at least 3 times cheaper, and at least half the cost to store and transport, and that kills Hydrogen indefinitely. Have you wondered why BEV sales have been surging at least 50% yearly, while all ICE are constantly losing market shares and they will continue to do so until total extinction probably in the next 10 to 15 years.
Finally my turn to say: "The grid cannot handle that" 😂😂
MarkNewell7160 states that petrol has 3X the energy of H2. Wrong!! According to the US Dept of Energy, On a mass basis, hydrogen has nearly three times the energy content of gasoline-120 MJ/kg for hydrogen versus 44 MJ/kg for gasoline.
No way hydrogen
hydrogen infratructures are easier and quicker to develop when compared to the boost of eletricity that you need to have in the eletric grid for EV's. it's just crazy to think in the amount of work to boost eletric substations, change transformers, etc etc etc. Just wait for trucks to start becoming eletric and people will see the real problems with ev's.
No mention of heavy hydrogen tanks needed in the car
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While I do think Hydrogen will be the fuel of the future, it will be hydrogen electric. Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE, they are faster and they are more durable.
It was obvious to everyone who has engineering degree. But thanks for the news. First it will be luxury vehicles only, then mainstream and mass production receive this technology. EV will be as second car for groceries.
nah its even more obvious to anyone with a real engineering degree that It takes roughly 50-55 kWh of electricty to produce 1kg of hydrogen. 1kg of hydrogen has exactly 33.33 kWh of energy. Meaning it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the energy you get from it as a fuel source. Hydrogen as a fuel is never going to be viable.
This is even a longer shot to make it practical. But Porsche is known for expensive toys, so expensive fuel, too… maybe makes sense for their buyer base, but still quite a risky bet. I understand, hard to abandon well refined technology that made the company famous
I think they aim at replacing grossly inefficient taycan (compared to the rest of the industry) with even more grossly inefficient propulsion technology by using as much as 3-4 times more primary energy to get the hydrogen in the fisrt place. I'd say "bold move"...
It's very telling that this ad doesn't state any goal related to efficiency at all. In a way this is not very German of Porsche. Now they seem to need to be talking about "emotion" and "heart" instead. Like this is going to make users forget about the way increased cost of recharging. And let's not forget to manage H2 while inside the tank because it leaks... and cryo-storage of H2 is costly and weights more to be able to fit in cars...
Look up the hydrogen pickup truck the red Chevrolet
Hello Again, I think you are behide the times - like so many in the USA, you seem to of missed the British company 'JCB' who have championed Hydrogen Combustion Engine for a good few years, suggest you look at 'JCB'. Regards. RichardA.
Bring the price down and we'll all buy one. 🤜😖🤛
Wow, I can’t believe Porsche thinks this is the future….unbelievably stupid and a complete dead end!
Sounds great. Now go find hydrogen at your local 7-Eleven.
I am 7 minutes in the video and still does not explain what are the specs of this engine. Just general blah blah about Porsche revolution, but no mention of what does this engine do differently. Only that the sound should be better and little else
A lot of people have been saying this for years
With the invention of solid state batteries such as Sodium based, the cost of batteries will become very very cheap. So there is no chances that hydrogen fuel may destroy EV industry.
So, what you are telling me is that a simple car wash will also fill up my car; while washing it? 😏
There’s a hell of a lot of excited talk - sales talk. like most salesman there is very little in details that are relevant
… the biggest challenge doesn’t get more than a couple of dozen words!
Rather than develop a car, to make it happen what ANY car manufacturer needs to do is get, say three of the top five car manufacturer in the world to some sort of partnership to cover the massive cost of infrastructure. probably going to need some assistance from some of the larger governments.
At the moment, it doesn’t justify any of the excitement
You got my click, but I won’t be coming back to this channel
The real evolution...
Long time Porsche owner I would never buy an electric powered vehicle.
I really have to question the intellect of a lot of the Porsche community after reading these comments.
Suddenly, a lot of people become experts in colors and in chemistry.....
Don't bet all your marbles.
You’re assuming that most of the people watch this video because it’s about Porsche.
I’m not that interested in Porsche (a bit above my budget) I’m here because I’m interested in innovation and green solutions
But there is not much in here more than PR talk. So I won’t be coming back to this channel.
You’re not all that impressive yourself Bozo!
WHY ?
Fuel cells are fool cells. Certainly is cars/trucks.
So this is like fool squared?
It just screams stupidity when anyone starts to compare fuel cost per KM/Mile.
This is unparalleled. I read a book with similar content, and it was unparalleled. "The Hidden Empire: Inside the Private Worlds of Elite CEOs" by Adam Skylight
Hydrogen isn't an energy source. It's an energy storage method. It's not difficult to adapt a petrol engine to hydrogen. So what's new here?
JCB did this a year ago, and their engines can run on Hydrogen,
Extraction of hydrogen requires too much energy for it to ever compete with electricity. People will not pay more than necessary for fuel. Elon Musk just shakes his head.
your the first person in the comments to point that out. Im glad someone knows this. It takes roughly 50-55 kWh of electricty to produce 1kg of hydrogen. 1kg of hydrogen has exactly 33.33 kWh of energy. Meaning it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than the energy you get from it as a fuel source.
Looks like they’ve reimagined the VW Diesel.
The way to go..... !!!!!! Is Formula 1 listening ???????
The CEO shows nothing more than his pain at parting with a technology he has grown fond of. If the Volkswagen Group were regularly in the headlines with new records in the development and expansion of renewable energies for the production of hydrogen - I would have a spark of faith in the statement.
Electric cars are here, they are on the market and are NOW benefiting from scaling effects in battery and electricity production. I understand the emotions that ICE triggers. But the zenith has been passed. We still have today's ICE cars to preserve as classic cars in the future.
the best advantage of EV's is that they don't need lubricatns to operate as ICE engine you need to change oil, oil filter etc... So if you need to change engine oil in H2 car you we didn't do much.
The worst advantage is that they take forever to charge.
EV's have a load of oils in them - oil coolant for the motors, oil lubricant for the gearboxes and oil to stop the battery overheating during charging and use.
wow you really don't know much about cars
@@joevelte425215 minutes is forever?
@@xraylifeThis is factually incorrect.
Will be waiting to see those Hydrogen fuel stations pop up...widespread...
30 years in the making, they still are 20 years away XDD
EV has had a slow start because of infrastructure problems with enough charging stations. Will hydrogen stations be different?
Same as like gas station and shorter time to fill up. Unlike EV you need to charge it for long time and it’s not viable in cities or in long drives. The reason why Japanese leaning more into hydrogen then EV’s.
@@grimmronin3386 If 2 cars were in front of you at an hydrogen filling station, filling your 4kg takes a half an hour or longer, a Tesla at a SC it long gone then.
Get your numbers right.
@@rvo8915 if two cars in front of you then refilling a hydrogen takes 6 minutes! It took only 3-5mins per car! You don’t know what you are talking! They were like same like gas engine vehicles! That’s why EV’s does not fit an American lifestyle of long driving and trucking! EV’s only good in short distances cities! Get your facts 😁 you stilll in lalaland! The hydrogen fuel station in some cities are faster than any EV stations! Your still waiting for refill and hydrogen drivers already resting in their homes relaxing watching TV’s while you still in the Highway waiting for 20vehicles in front of you😁
But wait imagine if they perfected a sold state hydrogen?! Bye bye EV’s the reason why Honda drop EV collaboration and some Japanese cars it seems they have the technology already and don’t want to release it yet!
@@grimmronin3386 That is why a lot of American hydrogen car owners complain that many filling points are out of order.
After 2 or 3 fillings, the system needs to bring the pressure back to a freaking 700 bar.
Hydrogen is to complex and consuming a lot of space and is expensive.
Mirai is a big car for only 4 persons and a luggage boot the size of a big suitcase.
Succes with long trips with 4 persons, no luggage allowed.
Hydrogen is crap for passengers cars, it is not going to happen.
No bussiness case for car manufacturers.
Unless someone is going to provide me with hydrogen at my home to fuel my vehicle, like I currently do with my EV? I’ll stick with electricity. Thanks.
Hydrogen gas instead of liquid container
There are issues with Hydrogen that make it difficult to become viable. The rare earth elements required for the fuel cell. The fact that hydrogen produces one third of the energy of petrol. Blue hydrogen costs more per litre than petrol. It has to be stored at 10,000psi. There is no distribution of hydrogen to the millions of petrol stations we use today.
Are you talking about hydrogen or the cars?
But but how much will be the cheapest Porsche?? 😅
I haven’t seen any hydrogen pumps recently and the ones that have been built are all being closed quietly😮😮. Rather than going all in on EV’s the traditional OEMs are living in the past which will cost them their future. See Tony Seba and disruptive technology.
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Hydrogen 😂😂
Zero emission engine running with H2, but internal combustion engines remains way less efficient than an electric motor
i've heard no news here!
H2 is a dead end street.
Porsche in a death spiral!
A lot of fill conversation where's the beef?A lot of talk about hydrogen ,bold foray into without infrastructure means this article has no substance,
Maybe; but at least it's punctuation is meaningful - unlike yours.
Hydrogen is never going to happen for simple reasons: safety (remember the Hindenberg Explosion, imagine the blast that would happen when cars collide and the Hydrogen tank bursts open. This would have such a snowball effect that entire cities would be blown away, only by one car accident!!!!!!!
Hydrogen for engines is an idea that date back to at least 1931. That year was when Mr. Garrett the inventor of the traffic lights, designed his first hydrogen producing carburetor. The hydrogen can be produced locally onboard of a vehicle by using an electrolysis device. The EV technology involves more toxic elements in their batteries than the internal combustion engines.
Yes, of course! It is very simple: you take a water tank and an electric battery on board. Then you use the electricity of the battery to make hydrogen from the water of your watertank (that is your electrolysis device). Then on board do you have another tank to capture the hydrogen. Then you take the hydrogen off that hydrogen tank and put it into a combustion engine. In that combustion engine, you have the reaction from hydrogen plus oxygen to water. And the heat from the combustion reaction you use to drive the combustion engine. This way you save the electric motor that you could have used in order to drive your car in the first place just using your battery. Very simple very smart.
Yet the next cayman next year is a pure EV LOL!!
You mean macan. A car in a search of soul.
No,,,,it was meant to be The Cayman initially. Now they have changed their minds and are offering both EV and ICE
Porsche are late to the gam since JCB is already producing hydrogen engines in the UK and India for their excavators, farm tractors and other equipment and hydrogen has been shipped in bulk by tankers for years JCB only needed to make alterations to the upper end of their diesel engines involving the feed system and a more powerful turbo boost to achieve their goal. This is a low cost solution since it did not require a new plant or training of workers nor of customers service engineers. Tesla, Toyota and others are also following with Tesla launching its first hydrogen car in 2024.
There is no Tesla hydrogen vehicle, that is gross misinformation.
God speed Porsche, save us from the EV crap.
The hydrogen cars are the future even they are slower .
Lots more moving parts. If you want the sound of a revving engine, you can just add the audio file to an EV. Change it up if you like. Have it sound like a lambo or che elle or the jetsons car.
No thanks kid
@@mrdobalina8006 don’t hold your breath on waiting for this hydrogen car. It’s not going to happen.
Not one bit of showing WHICH new engine, just talking about A new engine as do almost all others. Click bite at best.
Bite? BAITE! What's wrong with you poeple? Any English speakers here? We're trying to have an edumacated discussion!
Too many moving parts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. That's why steam engines never took off.
Ask yourself - how do they produce Hydrogen (H), well CH4H2O when subjected to the process gives you two parts Hydrogen H2 but CO2 which unfortunately is the exact carbon we're trying to rid the atmosphere of!
Interesting how you can talk for 10 minutes without saying anything.
LoL.... Still waiting for a commercially vaible vehicle !!!
Spoiler: it won't
Look at the cost of producing hydrogen then come back to me. Stupid idea
unrealistic bollocks. The guy's just trying to prolong his bonus payments until he gets fired.
“Thank for sticking with me all the way to the end”. Well that’s nine and a half minutes of my life I won’t get back.
I was expecting at least a glimpse of the supposed technological advances that the video purports Porsche has made - zero, zilch. A hydrogen combustion engine doesn’t produce CO2, that’s true, but there are still nitrous oxides to consider (those pesky reactions that occur between oxygen and nitrogen at high temperatures).
As things currently stand, a fuel cell is about twice as efficient as a combustion engine, meaning Porsche are going to have to come up with something pretty amazing. You’d be much better off using that hydrogen to power a fuel cell to keep batteries topped up.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Porsches. It just charlatan sprukers I can’t stand.
Please
Well there's 10 minutes of my life I won't get back. Even a basic understanding of the laws of thermodynamics would have one skeptical on producing (and distributing) H for transport. Assuming we're talking compressed H (rather than chilled...) it's impossible to carry enough for an internal combustion engine in a car. And given H is difficult or impossible to replace for certain processes (e.g. fertilizer) and is a great option to clean up others (e.g. steel making), how about we reserve precious green H for those and not waste it where there are more resource efficient, environmentally friendlier and cheaper options??
Toyota already has a hydrogen combustion engine ready to go into production in 2 years... As in they've already built it. Tested it and it works... Very well
So maybe you should really study your thermodynamics because hydrogen can be burned for energy
It can only be a thing of virtue.... that saves Internal Combustion Engines from extinction, and saves real men from the indignity of being reduced to riding in glorified kitchen appliances with the acoustic appeal of a dentist drill, designed by nerds to impress squares, that should sport brand names like "Breville", "Hoover", "Singer", "Miele", "Electrolux", "Dyson", and others familiar to any housewife. Because they're an insult to proud brands & names of REAL cars & motorcycles.
😆😆Toyota and Lexus are laughing at you...
Awesome news this is brilliant ev cars destroying our roads hooray
Pronounce it „Bloom uh“ as „Porsh uh“
HaHa!!
The Battery won……and bs like this change anything…..
This seems made by, or at least endorsed by Porsche. However, the narrator regularly mispronounces Porsche as one syllable. Like nails on a chalkboard. Two syllables. Porsch-e. Not difficult.
Oh, wait. The voice is computer generated. Well, you’d think it would be smart enough…