JJ Redick Goes Off On Jokic Haters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.พ. 2023
- In this clip, JJ Redick talks about calling the overtime game between The Los Angeles Clippers and Nikola Jokic. He also marvels at Jokic's season and wonders how people can still doubt his MVP credentials and hhis overall greatness.
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the best part about jokic is if i pay a ticket to watch a nuggets game he's actually gonna be there
I like that you are right
cough AD
lool underrated comment and sad reality of NBA with load managing
best ability is availability totally agree
I just bought tickets to see him play at MSG in a few weeks🔥 can’t wait man
By rewarding Jokic with an MVP you are actually rewarding the spirit of team basketball.
My son asked me to scratch his arms up like Jokic.
@@chanty2192 Lol 😆
Such a true statement!
A championship is rewarding the spirit of team basketball
An mvp is rewarding the most valuable player. On any team out of every team.
Steve Kerr, after our recent game with Golden State, said, as best I can remember it, “when Jokic is on the floor, every (Nugget) player is a threat.” High praise from a great coach.
That’s how Nash was. He made his teammates into 10 times the players!
@@josiahmorris5799 Yes he did!
@@josiahmorris5799 J Kidd as well. Look at those Nets rosters he took to the finals in back to back years. Just crazy
@Ace Cream and Coffee Cats What ball hog are you talking about?
You could say the same thing for just about any double digit assist guy. When Giannis is on the court you have to pray he's not trying to make an example out of your team tonight.
NBA never had player like Nikola Jokic. He is amazing player, amazing team mates, funny, helpful, down to the Erath, not bully, not selfish just amazing human being.
Love and support from Canada
They asked him about Perk's statpadding claims after his 100th triple double. Jokic responded "You know it's easy when you're statpadding."
@@berryesseen That was funniest clip, when I heard Jokic say that I lost it laughing.
dirk
He's a 7ft tall Larry Bird.
@@wecanjump7512 that passes like Magic
As a Denver Local I have the privilege of going to Nuggets games pretty regularly. This guy is a joy to watch, and such a humble guy.
Same here!
As a Nuggets fan living in ATL I wished I could watch irl more often but man I went last season and that was just a beautiful experience watching him being one step ahead
the other issue is TV time- Denver area has so many blackouts they can't even watch their home team play
it's not the problem. THEY HAVE NOT WON anything since he's been doing all of this. So, how valuable is he really? That's the main issue. He is doing all this historical stuff but they have not even bee close to the finals. A player like Lilliard has gotten his own team farther as a guard. Do you know how that looks?
@@rockabye_baby187 take a look at his starting lineups the past two years in the playoffs and compare it to the opponents that got them eliminated and tell me whether he had a chance in those series. Facu and Austin Rivers was just not it
Thanks JJ for giving props to the Joker, an absolute beast. People taking him for granted
How is Jokic taken for granted??? The man has 2 "STRAIGHT" MVP'S (on his way to his 3rd) and gets hella love.
If anybody, it's Embiid who gets taken for granted.
@@montrellacton sure but that’s not the fans who voted him to be mvp. If you think Jokic doesn’t get CRAZY hate then you are just under that mossy rock lmao
These comments have to be bots bro
Who taking him for granted ???
Jokic is actually and truly one of the greatest ATHLETES in the NBA! His stamina, strength, almost super-human nuanced moves, dances, spins, behind-the-back and across the court laser-led passes, rebounds from amazing angles--with dazzling and surprising quickness, finesse and agility could ONLY come from a GREAT athlete. So, everyone, please STOP with all this "he's no athlete" nonsense, just because he doesn't do a 3 foot vertical leap.
Yeah, that and he's not ripped = "He's no athlete". Yet, the dude is on his way for a 3rd MVP. Like JJ said "I mean this in a negative way! They're casuals!"
Definitely not one of the GREATEST athletes. He has good balance, but that's pretty much it athletically. He has no bounce, is slow, can't move his feet well, and isn't especially strong for someone his size. He knows how to use his body but he's not a great athlete
@@Charlie-jf1me he sure was moving his feet against the Clippers
@@Charlie-jf1me I agree but he’s definitely strong asl he moves pretty much everyone with ease
@@Charlie-jf1me Amigo, when I read "can't move his feet well," I knew I could ignore the rest of your comments. That's like saying that Steph Curry "has trouble beyond the arc." Try telling the best bigs in the game--who are still spinning after Jokic twisted their ankles--that he "can't move his feet well."
this aged rly well. keep up the good work JJ
I agree with Pop who said: "He just makes me smile." That itself should qualify as a miracle.
My buddy who has coached for decades says: "He thinks/plays like a basketball coach would want his son to."
I wish Pop could coach him before he retires.
@@micahclawrence unlikely, but on the off-chance Pop decides to coach the Serbian national team, this could happen
Jokic smiles caused per 36 are off the charts
"He's magnificent!" - also Pop
I guess coaches dont want their sons to play defense huh
JJ.... you would have absolutely SLAYED playing off Jokic. 1) because your shot is pure and 2) because you were alway running, cutting, moving... you are 100% a Jokic guy.
Coincidentally, the Nuggets were at one time very close to acquiring JJ in the last years of his career I think he ended up in New Orleans though
Jj would be MPJ
Fuckin a.
@@antwanthorogood4921you know that MPJ is more than half a foot taller?
@@antwanthorogood4921 your comment should be erased bro lol
This is why JJ redick clears any other analyst, he actually understands the f’n game
Also, another shocking stat is that Jokic is 33th in the league in usage rating. Meaning that he is putting up these big numbers without even hogging the ball that much.
Nah that stat is easily manipulated especially when you talk about the nuggets system it all still goes through him and most plays are designed for him to have a dump off so he can get his assists without dominating the ball
@@victorufondu2988 it’s impressive either way most guys hold and dribble the hell out the ball to get his type numbers
Centers tend to have lower usage rate because of where they are on the court.
To my knowledge, Embiid is the only center in the top 30. And that's because he has to put 30 a night for his team to have a chance.
That seems so bs tho because we know the offense runs through him, he’s used on every play wether as a distraction or a key point in the play like the stat doesn’t make sense when you actually understand what he does.
Usage Rate only accounts Shot Attempts+Turnovers. His Offensive Load which accounts Shot Attempts+ Turnovers+ Playmaking is one of the highest in the NBA.
“I mean this in a negative way!”
“They’re casuals.” - JJ
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Still a horrible defender
@@NikoBellic20080Average defender, but yea a hater would say his defense is horrible
@@NikoBellic20080 9th in defensive win shares is a horrible defender these days 🤷♂️
@@NikoBellic20080 lmao you're one of the casuals
@@NikoBellic20080 casual
JJ is a pure genius who understands the game.
We all needed this story about casuals whose misunderstanding of basketball game essentials are simply ruining the essence of the game, which is: mind over body. Over pas decades there were many extremely athletic guys, and yet they did nothing. None of them turned into new Wilt, Jordan,Bill Russell, Kobe etc.
If you can remember - it was Kobe first that gave his challenge toJokić to win the MVP, and Kobe knew the essence of the game.
If you think this clown is a genius, you are following the wrong kind of people. JJ Redick is a clown. Calling greats of the past "plumbers and firemen", Yeah, they weren't making millions of dollars averaging 12 points a game like many players are today. Then Redick claiming Larry Bird isn't a top five 3 point shooter of all time which is false.
I don't think anyone claims mind over body. Basketball is basically muscle memory. If you can't shoot, and if you can't pass, you are basically useless. Jokic might not look athletic like other guys. But his body is totally fine. He does whatever it takes to be a great basketball player. He has work ethic like Kobe had.
I thought that challenge was for Giannis.
Kobe challenged both Iannis and Jokic to strive for MVP. Seems he had a good eye, knew greatness and was great motivator.
Wonder how he'd have done as GM.
Lebron
I didn’t realize how good joker was until he one his first MVP and people started talking about the advanced metrics he dominates. Ever since then, I’ve realized his immense value ANYWHERE on the court and quite literally with ANYONE. He has that lebron level team chemistry while being the complete opposite of lebron personality wise. That’s probably why he gets disrespected, he’s not a vocal bucket getter and seems like he couldn’t care less about being a star for the fame. I’ve only seen him interviewed like once or twice… HES A TWO TIME MVP BY THE WAY. He’ll probably be the greatest passing big man ever to grace this game (with respects to arvydas sabonis) and casuals will never give him credit for it because of that more passive and adaptable play style
He has been the best player in the world for three years now.
It wasn’t Lebrons choice to become a star, he was famous in high school and burdened with the expectation to be the GOAT
Jordan's most valuable 3 year stretch was his 4th season to his 6th season. Jokic's last three seasons, including this one, are his 6th season to his 8th.
According to the advanced stats, Jokic has been better.
Jokic actually might be the GOAT.
Best passing big man is already a done deal. Jokic is probably the best passer in NBA history.
Check out Thinking Basketball's video on it.
@@toteispoe4 I love his vid I just watched it the other day. He’s really an unbelievable player
Glad you brought up the casuals argument here. There is no way for some people who haven't played basketball on some level to appreciate the difficulty of things Jokic makes look ridiculously easy. When a casual watches him play you also don't see anything super exciting, just absolutely perfect decision making 99% of the time
Your YMCA games don’t count
The tell is asking them if they are impressed by the little floaters he does off pick and rolls. I think this is arguably the hardest shot in the game that is taken with a good amount of regularity, but some people think that that ~7 foot shot is pretty easy because it is so close to the basket.
You have the name of a baller. I believe you…
I'm 46 years old, my knees hurt, and I'm not a particularly good shooter. But if you put me in a pickup game with a bunch of high school freshmen, my team is going to win almost every time, just because I've put in the time on a court and I can see openings and anticipate things way way better than a bunch of 15 year old kids can, and I'm big enough to impose myself on the game.
That's basically what Jokic does, except that instead of being bigger and having better anticipation than 15 year old kids, he does it to actual NBA players. Oh, and he *is* a particularly good shooter.
Why didn’t he do that against Embiid
I'm glad more people are coming out to defend Jokic. Anyone who hates on him just doesn't watch him play, full stop. He's only 28 - if he keeps up this kind of production for another 7-8 years, he could be in the arguments for top 15-20 all time. There's never been another center like him, and there probably never will be.
If he keeps this up for another 7+ years, he's top 5 all time. This would be insane production for that length of time.
I don’t know about top 15-20 if he doesn’t deliver a finals appearance or a ring in my opinion
If he starts winning chips it’s more like top 10-15
@@jakehoover6655can’t be top 5 without a championship.
If he wins 1 ring and a 3rd mvp in a row, he will be top 15 all time. He even has a cahnce to be the goat, but for that he would need a lot of rings and a few more mvps.
As a Nuggets fan it’s such an honor to watch him he’s completely insane we all just laugh
Ive been watching the Nuggets all season (Denver Native), and sometimes i look at my mother who loves to watch games when Jokic starts to assert himself and go, ‘Oh right, the other team forgot we have the MVP on our team.’
The NBA has struggled to crack the Joker code the last two seasons without this full complement of Nuggets stars. With all of them healthy?
Lets just say ive got $500 to pay $4000 on us making the finals. I believe in this team. Its like buying stock placing my money where my mouth is.
That game against the clippers the other night? The Nuggets of last year, or the year before, fold like a chair and lose… This year? The Clips force Overtime and get ground and pounded into submission.
Come April, May, June… get used to that!!
Until you sob like children in the playoffs. Let’s see if your MVP can get thrown out of another series this year. The rest of us will take up the laughing from there.
@@Dustyphoto915 ill remind you. Last time Jamal MPJ and Jokic all took the floor together we were a AD buzzer beating three from making the finals. Just watch and see.
@@Dustyphoto915Done laughing yet buddy? 😂😂😂😂
@@mihailosretenovic8620 Of course not. It’s just a game. Duh.
He is just so efficient and smooth.
His size, ability to post up, stability on long-range shots, and eagle eyed passes. This man is such a unique all-round player. still so underrated in my opinion.
his mental different level to maintain that consistency
Overrated
How is he underrated if he's leading the MVP race?
@@oliverl.9004 Because tons of people never even thought they are the team to be reckoned with
Maybe its because the Nuggets always underperformed in games that matter like the Playoffs... ☠
"It IS a spiritual experience…" No higher praise, @JJ Redick!
The most amazing thing Jokic could do is help ALL his team mates get better ( not just one team mate) and at the same time perform even better himself on a daily basis. I have never seen a player like this, normally when a player helping his team mates get better his stats drop
He has one of the most unique styles of play I’ve ever seen. He is the definition of a silent 20-25ppg. You’ll see him defer all game and still end up with 20+
Maybe it was a coincidence that all of his teammates have their most efficient years of their careers at the same time and Jokic is just lucky to leverage this. Yes, they are helping Jokic win the MVP by playing their roles perfectly. Even Jokic knows this and says “I wouldn’t win anything without my teammates.”
Very true!! Good observation.
@@berryesseen you cant be serious...
@@berryesseen stop getting high bro
It's refreshing to hear a podcaster who actually knows basketball, played basketball and understands the game on a higher strategic level. Love this podcast! Thanks JJ
I mean both jj and jokic doesn't play defense so of course he knows 😂😂😂
@@jmrayos9930 Getting rebounds IS defense. Don't be a clown.
@@jmrayos9930 yeah, he doesn't play defense. He only led the entire playoffs in points, assists, and rebounds. If only he played defense. He might even win a chip. You never know.
Jokic is a new age Duncan! Just a pure baller!
I don’t no about new age but I know about old age and Jokic doesn’t have long. If he is gonna win five championships he better get started.
I’m so glad that JJ is bringing up pretty much all the points Nuggets fans have been talking about for awhile now.
Best MVP talk of this season, JJ you are the man
He's truly incredible.. hard to comprehend at times bc he's doing so much on most plays
Jokic is OVERRATED. Horrible pick and roll defense and god awful rim protector!
@@NikoBellic20080 no he isn’t … everyone knows he’s got defensive issues but he’s just that good on offense that he’s still up there
@@davidfebreeze428 What does he do better than Embiid besides passing….. I’ll wait
@@NikoBellic20080 I dont understand, he is player with highest + - in NBA for several seasons, and there is included his defensive impact. So, he has some defensive issues, but they are winning with him on the court, and that is point, right?
@@NikoBellic20080 rebounding and efficient scoring. Also plays almost every game
Absolute BEST brakedown of Jokic value and impact for Nuggets so far.
I would only add that in order for other haters and casuals to calm down, NBA should award MVP trophy at the end of the regular season so there is no confusion about what this trophy is all about, not like so far in 3rd round of playoffs or something.
Joker is just amazing. Since he does it all the time, consistent, humble, and not flashy on mid Market team it just goes underappreciated.
Thank you so much for this, JJ. I watch 80% of the Denver games, and a lot of other teams. And i cannot get it how people from American media cannot get it. Its like they do not watch it at all, but make points based on boxscore. You are a fresh breath of air in media and thank you so much for that ❤
Exactly
The American media voted for him two years in a row to be MVP. The media votes on the MVP every year.
That’s what a lot of people do tho lol they love looking at stats and saying hey that’s a great player but fail to actually watch the games and see what’s going on.
He has won back to back MVPs which is voted on by the media I don’t understand your gripe with the media’s take. They certainly give him his credit.
@@jeremiahelliott yeah, that is cool, some of them make sense. But people like Skip, Nick, sometimes Chris are having takes that are just not accurate. For example Skip is unwatchable...
He is so taken For granted. I’ve only watched about 4 full games of Joker. He’s a magician.
He’s about to win 3 straight mvps how is he taken for granted 😭
@@GOKUKAMEHAMHA1people discredit his mvps despite having worst supporting cast last 2 playoffs
@@dewman7477 Because getting 3 straight MVPs puts him in the same category of top 10 players of all time. So the media is saying he is in the same league and lebron, kareem, magic, bird, MJ which is ridiculous. He hasn't even been to the finals and people are acting like he is the goat.
Watching Jokic live is such an incredible experience. He is such a unique talent that seems to be playing a different game compared to everyone else on the court
JJ just spoke out what many do not want to admit to themselves. My respect
JJ getting the badge in 😂
I feel like we’re getting more and more of these JJ rants, where he just goes off about ridiculous NBA narratives, and I’m here for it. Thanks for speaking some truth
The way Joker closed that game out against Kawhi, it made me see how much of a gem he really is...
Joel Embiid gets the most slack of any superstar I think I've ever seen. Everytime he plays poorly we hear that he's either sick or hurt. He's almost 29 and he's never made a finals while having good supporting casts, the other night he was 7/25 because he was constantly shooting over smaller guys instead of driving and we hear no negativity because of his blocks and rebounds. He's nowhere near Jokic. Great video as always boys
so playing on the defensive side of the ball dont matter?
@Technical Tim Embiid is one of the most over-rated defenders in the league. Currently in defensive rating he is a single point over...guess who? Jokic.
@@BigAngryRacoon did you not watch the memphis game?
@@technicaltim1164 Stats don't lie and that's one game, you don't judge MVP over one game
@@GoulagInamte777 it was judged off of one game last year. embiid was the favorite then when we the sixers losts to the nuggest jokic took over.
Really appreciate how JJ just embraces the game in all its nuance and doesn’t try to oversimplify it. He has to be truly provoked for a hot take 😂
I feel like half of the haters have never watched Jokic play and just bandwagon hate him.
I disagree, I think the haters don’t like how he’s supposed to be a great player, but he can’t win anything. His roster has been fantastic, but he still can’t get it done
@@wolfverine9993 fantastic team with Facu and Austin R as starting backcourt last season? or year before without Jamal again and green MPJ. When he had Jamal and 1st season MPJ they went to conference finals... Your argument is terrible wolf boy
@@wolfverine9993 does trolling make you feel better about your probably laughable life?
@@wolfverine9993 Iverson, Harden, Karl Malone & John Stockton, Damian Lillard, Charles Barkley, Chris Paul….
They’re not legends?
@@wolfverine9993 you are the literal representation of someone that hasn’t watch Jokic 😂😂😂😂😂😂. His team was hurt the last two seasons going into the playoffs. The only time he actually had a heathy Playoff roster was during the bubble when they made it to the WCF.
JJ, you have made watching/listening to/thinking about the NBA and basketball so much more valuable. Thank you.
9:13 and 10:15 - THANK YOU!!! FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT PUBLICLY. This is the best take that JJ had in while. These last couple of months he was getting on my nerves with defending this era of basketball and overprotecting today's players like Ben Simmons in his interview. And he disrespected the players from previous eras. But this is a good take.
Totally agree with time stamp analysis. I believe that Stephan A. Knows this and knows better. That's why I prefer to hear this man's analysis and Tim Legler.
Rooting for Joker and the nuggets to win it all this year.
they're going home in the first round.
@@factthatdude4059To who?
FYI, the wrong footed fadeaway that looks like a reverse Dirk is known as a Sombor Shuffle. (after his hometown). When he misses a triple double by one (he's got close to 40 in his career), it's called a Sombor Double.
Dobro, Somborac skapirali smo.
I'm a casual. I'm argentine, here our sport it's futbol. Yet, i did play basket in highscool, i know the rules. I did watch the sport following our national team specialy in Manu's time. I've watched footage of the greatets. Years have passed since i watched basket till i saw Jokic recomended by YT. Since that day i knew it was something special. It remembered of Juan Román Riquelme. Same peace, unortodoxes moves yet pure use of technique and fundamentals, timing. Every love it's like art to me. Jokic Made a casual become a regular NBA whatcher right now since almost a year. Denver fan. Thank you
Serbia loves Argentina and Messi 🤩💫
"Watching him play is a spiritual experience." 😆
maaan JJ is a blessing to us basketball fans! thank you guys ❤️☮️🇱🇹
"He never fights the game" Very true. Usually a good thing, on occasion a bad thing when the team needs the best scorer to force themselves to score. I love Jokic and I hope he can better learn the moments when he needs to force it a bit.. This year's playoffs will be a great opportunity. This is the final level for him to reach his maximum potential.
Forcing himself to score is by definition a bad basketball play because it means you force a shot even if there is a better shot out there. Stop making these bad assumptions that you need hero balls to be truly great, and appreciate the best decision makers in the game. JJ is directly talking to fans with these takes in this clip.
True. There are occassions when "hero ball" becomes necessary. The truly great ones know how to deliver in those moments as well. It took LeBron years to develop that aspect of his game. Hopefully Jokic will learn sooner.
@@cyber6sapien that would be totally misusing his excellent skills. What he needs is a second All-Star high level scorer.
@@Young-ep8ik He got outplayed by Embiid lol.
Really enjoy your show. Great analysis. Jokic is a joy to watch. He makes it look so easy.
JJ is on point! Jokic is just an unreal talent. Watching him play blows my mind
Finally someone said it in the media! Keep it up JJ!
Media crown him MVP every year what are you talkin about 🤷🏻♂️
@@sonik6892 all the big talking head voted for Embiid or Giannis. All the others that you don't hear from that much voted for Jokic. You have the list online of who voted for who.
Stephen A, Perkins, Ramona Shelburn etc etc all vote for Embiid while others that are not that popular or don't have big shows (or any shows at all) vote for Jokic
@@nikolakrstic8079 Ramona 🐷Shelburn holds MVP vote? Oh boy...
@@nikolakrstic8079
Whyte media voted for him of course
@@patrick553 lmao first of all that is not true and 2nd the only thing you can say is pulling the race card
you are done ma boy
I am speechless. The way, you explained this phenomenon is spot on. 90% of media is focus on that casual consumer, who does not appreciate Jokers dominance. No agenda, no drama, no co-star - just water poling basketball to perfection :) Fun fact - Jokic has just ONE game this season with FG% less than 50%! ONE!
and that game was a blowout win where he didn't play a ton of minutes.
The amount of haters he gets is how you know he's an all timer. If they're going to use the time and energy to hate, you know he's doing a lot right.
This hit on so many under-discussed topics surrounding Jokic. Twas amazing. Much respect to JJ for thinking, using his mind to parse out something so nuanced.
Jokic is awesome. That said as a Sixers fan I feel like both fanbases have gotten way too toxic. I love Embiid and love Jokic but his fans are very annoying to me because they dismiss Embiid and that is absolutely because Philly fans are bad and dismiss Jokic all the time too which caused the Jokic fan reactions. Both fanbases need to shut the f up straight up and appreciate both dudes and not bash the other. They have great respect for each other the “rivalry” is between dumb fans. Obviously I do think some people need to step away from the computers a bit when talking about stars. Stats are a reference not a end-all but that said Jokic having great stats doesn’t mean he’s overrated or whatever tho? How does that make sense??
Embiid better
@@angelotrigueros4296 Listen I agree lmaooo like no doubt. I just gotta cope in advance cuz this man is gonna win his 3rd straight over Embiid and I don’t wanna be filled with rage 😂
@@angelotrigueros4296 jokic is better
@@angelotrigueros4296
@@porozil4068 I agree. NBA Twitter can be the worst. That said it’s not just there unfortunately it’s almost anywhere the NBA is discussed
Last night's game was probably the first time I was like, damn JOKIC is on different world when he plays
Actually, the nuggets are currently 27-0 when jokic produces a triple dpuble but Thank you JJ for putting some respect on once a lifetime talent, which a lot of the media always tries to shut jokic out just because he isnt as athletic or flashy as other players in the league but jokic if you actually watch his game is such smooth and natural player when it come to simply playing basketball.
Well said..so profound but simple..just watch the guy play and it will be easy to understand..he is the essence of basketball..a team player
That’s one of the greatest of all time. Hall of fame status.
JJ you are a prize in the abysmal NBA media. Thank you for this, just wish it was common knowledge for everyone. The slander from Perk, SAS, Skip, RJ… it’s getting so old. Appreciate Jokić while we can, I never take being a nuggets fan for granted in the year 2023.
It’s not their fault Jokic is a terrible defender lol.
Props to JJ giving Jokic his flowers. He is a genius of the game. He Playa his strengths. Them 🇷🇸 and 🇭🇷 dudes are tough.
There was a video "5 Steph Currys on the same team" where Steph invited them to a game. They asked him who he wanted them to do next and Steph asked for Jokic.
Ive never seen a clearer MVP than jokic. The man is out of this world. What an elegant way to play
I wouldnt say its that clear, he has a very good team around him, and it will never be clear when you have Giannis and Embid around who have equally good records and stats are comparable. I would give Jokic the edge though
@@gsp3428 Giannis and Embiid have better supporting casts
@@jonjuko8859 Not sure about that. Jamal Murray is an all star calibre guard, Micheal Porter Jr. is a budding star, Aron Gordon looks good, KCP is pretty good, they have a good bench, I like the whole team and they have a good coach.
@@gsp3428 all those players you listed would be average role players outside of the Denver jokic system
@@idkanymore6634 Jamal Murray, your crazy. Micheal Porter Jr. was the number one player coming out of high school and only fell to the nuggets because of his injury. The other guys Gordon and KCP would and are role players but good ones.
Great points made here. Jokic has been amazing this year and deserves MVP
Just shows that JJ has got that basketball intelligence! 🃏 💪
i always feel enlightened listening to jj. analytically and practically sound 👌..jokic is a beast. he deserves it
Thankyou JJ for enlightening the blind masses on his nightly dominance
I don’t think those people actually watch him play, like it’s amazing how good the guy is. I also see this argument that Kobe, Bron, Steph, MJ etc never had three straight MVP, so Jokic can’t get it. It’s stupid how people downplay him. He definitely deserved his past MVPs. I honestly think some of the hate is being an Overseas player. Same with Giannis, a lot of people don’t like seeing overseas players dominating this game. Jokic is a Superstar, and at minimum top 10 in the league.
It's nice to have a big sports media personality stand up for Jokic (even if he literally doesn't care). I just don't understand why they can't see what we see.
Jokic is a force of nature.
1000 likes if I could. The most impressive things about this season: A) He's taking away the last possible points of criticism and shutting the haters up. B) He's averaging a triple-double - without EVER playing for his own stats. That point alone is insanely difficult. C) He's CLEARLY leaving guys who got MVP-worthy seasons in the dust.
It's sooo obvious that Jokic has got the best shot selection in the league which leads to crazy efficiency and it's also obvious that nobody matches him at making the right play as often as possible - which leads to crazy team efficiency and a dominant offense. On/off rating, highest value for the team, no allstars around him - my condolences to Joel Embiid, Giannis and others but at this point, there's no debate to be had, none.
Man I loved JJ takes since he started doing pods, but this one is 🔥🔥🔥
This was a really nice analysis. Thanks for enlightening us, JJ.
Explained everything in these 10 minutes just as I have been saying for ages. Well done JJ 👌🏼
JJ is one of us, I feel special when I share the same opinion as this gentleman, finally someone legitimate to bring things to light.
love your take
to me the mvp, the most valuable player, has always meant: if you put this player on any and or every team in the league, they are going to have a greater impact than every other player in the league. impact in getting and helping the team to maximize its potential and win the maximum amount that the team’s potential has,, if not go beyond it,, whether it be by individual play or making their teammates better
and i feel like jokic embodies that more than anyone
CPIII did that with four different teams and didn't get an MVP. All the other greats (Wilt, Lebron, Jordan) got MVP capped he's a sub-.500 playoff guy who hasn't made the finals.
Well said. “Wtf are you watching “ it’s painfully true how ignorant some people are. If you watch basketball or just study statistics, he’s head and shoulders above everyone
And yet no one thinks the nuggets are winning the title this year. If he is so great he should be able to carry his team to a title if not multiple titles.
@@bumpin0 At the end of the day, basketball is a team sport. Can he carry his team to a championship? Sure. He shouldn’t be EXPECTED to carry his team, though. Other players need to show up.
@@bumpin0 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great point about how almost every other MVP contender is playing with other all-stars. Or just better all-around teams. It also reminds me of how many people did not understand Tim Duncan's greatness (including myself at the time, when I was younger). Greatness is not always flashy or apparent to the least informed :)
How could his team be bad, when last year without their star guard and ascending forward, they were the 6th seed and the argument was well those guys aren’t there and the team was bad because of it. And then this year they come back, the team improves drastically, and somehow the team is still worse then other teams and he’s got no help
@@justingabriel1765 his team is worse without him thats it
@justingabriel1765 To your first point, that's why he won MVP. He dragged that team to the playoffs when nobody else could in the league, period. To your second point, JJ didnt say he doesnt have any help, or that the teams bad. Jokic gets flak for not winning rings, or, say, last years playoffs when his whole starting lineup was hurt. JJ said he doesnt play with other allstars, and
@@justingabriel1765and in todays league you need other all stars to win the championship
@@justingabriel1765 lol he didnt say his team was bad. he said he's the only mvp candidate playing with no other all stars and his team is number 1 in the west.
Thank you so much JJ, I really value your intellectual perspective over the other NBA hosts/broadcasters who do not understand the game anywhere near as you do. Keep it up 👍
"WTF are you watching" 😂🤣😂🤣😂 JJ, So true, so true.
Imagine prime JJ playing with Jokic.... wide open 3s all night long.
JJ jealous of KCP lmao
I mean, JJ kinda overrated tho. He ain't as good as people make him out to be, but yeah he will definitely play better with Jokic.
@@afroemokidhuh
@@ethanrobinson9475 i need to know where they are talking about jj redick enough to even overrate him
@@afroemokid Career 41% from three enough said. No one is going to claim he is an all around great player. But he is one of the greatest pure shooters ever
Jokic is a guy that nobody likes outside of Colorado but everyone wishes they had. In this NBA he is a God!
I like the arguments JJ is making. They are all solid arguments and can be backup up by stats or rely on axioms that are not disputed. Smart dude.
Denver with Jokic on the floor is my favorite NBA watch.
jokic is really under appreciated like his stats really show how good he is and every time i try to have a normal debate with people about who is the best center in the NBA today i say jokic and when i do all the people i debate with just say "are you crazy" or " nah hes trash all he does is get good stats but doesnt impact the game".
listening to him explain the sombor shuffle like that was awesome
Jj knows Westbrook stat patted. There's footage of it
Everybody has the best year of their career when they play with Jokic. What an odd coincidence
Great stuff Mr. Redick!! You need to get more air time on ESPN.
Really good point about Jokic having yet to play with another all-star. That's a huge point that always gets overlooked.
Jamal Murray literally outplayed Jokic in the 2020 playoffs lol
I've been watching basketball for literally decades at this point. Joker is the best passer I've ever seen
As a relatively new basketball fan and a Brit (cavs fan) I had the luxury of being able to watch nuggets vs cavs live in the rocket mortgage arena I couldn’t believe how fuckn good jokic is consistently. When he was on the floor he was just a monster every single play led from a jokic pass/ rebound if he wasn’t scoring the point himself
While it was pretty depressing to fly 4k miles to see my team loose I was in awe of how good Jokic is and to see him average a triple double at his height as a centre is just unbelievable to me
Again I’m no seasoned fan but to see that how can you ever downplay that talent
I like the british clarification, immediately read the rest of your comment in a british accent lol
being a new nba fan and choosing to root the cavs makes you a real one automatically. keep that dream alive
@@matthewtanner5127 hahaha it’s a bit more too it than a choice I lived in Ohio for a year 10 years ago and my dads still out there, essentially the home team for me but appreciate you brother 🫡
Thank you JJ from a Nuggets fan
JJ is a natural communicator of his points.
Jokic backcourt rotation last 2 years :
2020/2021:
Starters:
Campazzo ( plays in Europe, couldnt get minutes for the Mavs)
Rivers ( Timberwolves now, 20 minutes per game)
Bench:
Monte Morris ( Wizards now, starter.. quite decent offensively/ absolutely horrific defender/to small)
Markus Howard ( in Europe/ even smaller)
Shaq Harrison ( doesnt even play anymore/ nobody wants him)
Will Barton ( played two games in 2nd round/ traded to Wizards-DnP‘s/Coaches decision/ got waived)
2021/22:
Starters:
Barton
Morris
Bench:
Hyland ( got traded to Clippers/ DnP‘s)
Rivers
Campazzo
Forbes ( nuggs didnt offer new contract/ got picked up by Wolves/ already waived)
Frontcourt:
MPJ injured in Suns series 2020/2021 (by the way the Nuggets were the only team from the final 4 teams of the bubble, which reached the 2nd round the year after the bubble)
Didnt play at all in 2021/22 playoffs
Jeff green starter in 2021/22 playoffs.. is getting DnP‘s currently and is not in the rotation
Jokic never had an Allstar teammate ( besides Millsap who was way past his prime and was not an allstar while he played in Denver)
Jokic deserved to win the last two MVP‘s, especially the won where Giannis could have won his third in a row, because Jokic had a better record/ better numbers/ played 11 more games and so on
The reason why voter fatigue is and should not be high with Jokic is because it was clear during his last two MVP seasons that he had no shot of doing anything in the playoffs.. the teams were bad (I mean look at the players from above )
And the media members who vote knew from the beginng that even if they give Jokic their vote, they cant hold the lack of playoff success during this seasons against him because it was impossible to be good with these players ( he lost to the champions last year and the finalists the year before)
This year:
Best record in the West
First real chance to go to the Finals ( if players healthy)
25/12/10 on 63/40/82 shooting splits
First player ever to average a triple double while shooting above 50%
Highest apg ever by a center
Most efficient above 20ppg scoring season in NBA history ( 70%TS)
First player ever who reached those shooting splits
Third player ever to shoot above 60% from the field and above 80% from FT-line
Just once this season he shot under 50%
By far highest net rating swing in the NBA
Highest +/- in the NBA
23-0 when he records a triple double
2020 WCF Finals: AD averaged 31 ppg
@@roycedot man that was before his MVP seasons and before he started becoming one of the 3 best players in the world..AD had a hot shooting stretch also like never before during the bubble and shot like crazy from outside
Furthermore AD played with Lebron ( one of the greatest ever) and Jokic had just his second playoff run in his career where he already reached the conference finals and he was exhausted after he played 7 games in each of the first two rounds)
Does Jamal Murray just not exist in your mind or ?
@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx did murray play the last 2 years in the playoffs ?
@@roycedot that was baby Denver Nuggets they were playing... MPJ was a rookie, Murray was 23, Jokic 25.... Also they were coming off of 2 7game series while Lakers had all of the rest... It's easy for Lakers to create Championship team since free agents want to play there and they get to chose whatever player they want.... Also' Jokic didn't have LeBron alongside and other future HOFers...
I play a lot of pick-up basketball & the conversation will come up from time 2 time
“if you could play with any current NBA player,
who would it be?”
Without hesitation these past couple years I always say Joker.
You know how fun it would be to play with someone like that?
How many dope looks you’d get at the basket?
He’s the most unselfish superstar in the NBA and hoopers deep down wanna be around that energy.
We all want to feel like we are contributing to the Team in someway, somehow.
We want to feel apart of. We want to feel connected towards the goal
Nobody does that from a Leadership Perspective in the NBA more than Nikola Jokic.
Period. End of Story.
If you think I’m wrong. It’s okay. You are a casual & me and JJ will pray for you lol
@jj Redick u are awesome! i rly enjoyed the comenting from you @nuggets vs clippers.
ps.: the "wrong turn one legged fadeaway" is Jokers signature move we all call Sombor shuffle! (Sombor is the city in serbia where he is from ).
Well said JJ. Finally someone speaking facts 👏🏻
I didn't even realize he's averaging 63% from the field... on top of averaging a triple double. It'd be one thing if he was inefficient or on a bad team, but his team is 1st in the west and his numbers are the most efficient in the league. To shoot 63% from the field with his kind of volume is absolutely insane
DeAndre Jordan has the best lifetime field goal percentage at 67%. But Jordan hits layups and dunks -- he seldom works for his points like Jokic and he's never double teamed. His scoring average is only 9 points career, and he's never asked to take the last shot.
Jokic's shooting percentage for a man who draws tough coverage and carries his team's scoring load is astounding. And he gets all those rebounds and assists to boot.
I fell in love with Jokic game when he played the Celtics early in his career. His I.Q and the way he made his teammates better was beautiful to watch. Only negative about the Joker is his defense seems average. He has been improving though.
Thank you JJ. He deserves way more love. He is just a unicorn and surprises us nuggets fans on a nightly basis with the crazy things he always does. And is DOMINANT in the playoffs. That might be the stupidest narrative I have heard in long time.
I wouldn’t say dominant. Definitely competitive though. They have been to the western conference finals one time in the last couple of years. Last year the Nuggets didn't even make it past the first round. They were also swept by the Suns in 2021.
@@jeremiahelliott look at the rosters he dragged to the playoffs the last two seasons. His 2nd and third best players were out for almost the entire season on both years, You are part of the problem sir. This is the casual take that we want to avoid getting into. Most of the prominent players from last year's roster are out of the league now or are at best, bench players/washed.
@@jeremiahelliott Durant & Kyrie got swept last year (in the 1st round). Celtics made it to the finals just like the Suns did in 2021. People still argue Durant is the best player in the world. Sometimes you play a team that is just better constructed.
@@rommelgoodie no offense to Jokic, but all-stars drag their respectively underwhelming teams to the playoffs every single year. Yeah he had a particularly bad one last year due to injuries, but I don't see how that makes him any different than the Dame's or Luka's of the NBA.
How can someone be dominant and lose? I think people overuse the word dominant.