There’s an interviewer called Peter something who is on TH-cam on the Hoover Institute who quotes his guests books to them, then say ‘please unpack that a bit’ I suspect you would like those videos too So, there you go!
Both of them had there moments of interrupting each other. Neither are perfect, but it was a far more respectful discussion than most when JP is interviewed.
I love how Russel genuinely wants to learn from the people he invites on his Podcasts. You can tell his motive isn't entertainment as much as it is satisfying his curiosity.
I was fine, even impressed, with Russel up to about the one-hour mark, and then he stopped being respectful, began interrupting, and descended to his normal left Wing position The man is a disgrace to the UK, and I have never forgiven him, nor will I ever, for his so called 'pranking' phone call
@@johnboyjordan1915 I literally choked on my water laughing at your comment! In my hours of watching a reading Jordan Peterson ( who I’m assuming you are targeting your misguided criticisms at), he has never said anything to “legitimize neo-Nazi ideologies”. You are obviously extremely biased in your views, have little to no ability to be open-minded, and appear to be quite pompous. Good luck in life!
@@johnboyjordan1915 Maybe we can have a civil conversation *wink*wink* if maybe you have some evidence from a reliable source. I’m not saying that I LOVE Jordan Peterson nor do I hate the guy. My point was, this is how two mature adults with differing opinions have a conversation. With open minds, open hearts, and without automatically hating the other person.
@@johnboyjordan1915 This was just a long list of unbacked ideologies and personal beliefs. I’m asking for a primary source that gives any evidence to what your saying. Otherwise, I’m just talking to a brainwashed wall here. Oh and yes, I do agree with you that he doesn’t like the extreme left or Marxism . That is quite evident. But I’m not going to hate someone purely because they don’t love extreme sides of the political spectrum or is a capitalist (seems a bit harsh to me lol). But again, I’m asking for ANY examples that I can go find that shows he is a neo-Nazi promoter or radicalist who is inciting riots...
@@johnboyjordan1915 Wow! You are a trip! I have done quite thorough research; which is why I’m calling you on your self righteous bullshit. This conversation was doomed from the start ( I should have known). I think it’s best for both parties for us to save our breath from here on out. You can respond, but I will not.
Two of my favorite intellectuals diving into the abyss. I’ve never seen Jordan so comfortable at an interview. His body language tells it all. Most of his encounters are a battle field. Like always, Russel was engaging, Curious and respectful. This is by far my favorite as we can see the ideas, theories and depth manifest before us.
I purposely avoided listening to Peterson for a long time. Partly due to the media hype. Russell Brand though, I have a lot of time for. Loved his early comedy and have been fascinated by his intellectual "evolution"/"coming of age". Putting these two together makes a great deal of sense. It's a great dive into reasoned debate. Forget the sound bites, let's just talk and see what we learn
Brilliant! I'll have to return to this, much to unpack. Like any good course of study it will lead to me to further reading (listening). TH-cam threw up a couple of interviews with Peterson based on my viewing but they were far too shallow to properly grasp his ideas. The algorithm isn't always wrong
This is what a conversation between apposing view points should sound like. No grandstanding, no screaming, no insults, no shaming. This is how you remove the hate/fear from the world! No really, it's that big of a deal!
Kudos to you Russell Brand, I admit to having pre-concieved notions about you, but you genuinely seemed interested in what Jordan Peterson was saying. I think this is a good example of people being able to realize that they may have more in common than they initially think.
Hellhole, he created that character and nurtured it: it's not people's fault that they identified it and followed what he literally wanted to put across.
hellhole , I have never seen Brand on a talk show, only him talking by himself at a camera saying some very irrational and dogmatic things. I think speaking to someone like Dr. Peterson has a way of calming people down and he expresses his views in a way that invites polite discourse. It may be that Russell is growing up but he is still a gigantic bell end
I know I'm super late to the party here, but this is probably the best conversation I've seen on TH-cam. I wish the whole country could talk to each other like this.
@Ela Lamblin why would any sort of physical disability affect a person's intelligence? You sound like an extremely basic person with a below average intelligence who somehow believes themselves to be a wise philosophical sage. You just sound like a 54 year old housewife writing pop-philosphy on Facebook.
J G So you’re saying a man that’s blind, deaf and can’t speak can gather as much knowledge as a normal person? You must be joking. You’d be surprised how much hearing, speaking and sight affect your life
It's incredible that Brand was able to ACCURATELY recount Peterson's espoused views on the subject, and as a result the conversation remained civil and became incredibly insightful.
Axis S 100% agree. So refreshing to hear Peterson say 'yes that's accurate' after hearing his views summarised and then to have the conversation actually move on from that point rather than just devolve into Peterson having to correct an ignorant interviewer with an agenda.
I can't understand why everybody is continually underestimating Brand. He's an intelligent bloke. A very outgoing, *comedic*, and famous one, that's his mistake in the eyes of the public. In there lies the problem. Think about it. We associate famous people, especially comedians, with clowns. Do we? Do you think a clown is intelligent? I don't think people do. I on the other hand don't question anyone's intelligence until I hear them speak more intimately about the subjects. You should never underestimate, or *overestimate* anyone's intelligence, ever, unless you talk to them privately. People tend to do that too often. I guess they read "Daily Mail" daily...
dddux Brand is frequently denigrated by the media specially the BBC, yet the brainwashing from the media does not work. His humour is so disarming he breaks through people’s comfort zone in terms of their ideas. His intelligence is endlessly underestimated because he’s a comedian from Essex with long hair, and yet very few people can shut him down effectively in an exchange. He has more in common with JP in intellect and ability than it would first appear.
20 minutes into the video and I had the thought, "Imagine if our legislative debates were like this." I vote for Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson for senate!
@@lastwhtknight3002 I believe the point being made is that we wish our politicians were not "whores" but civilised, thoughtful people like Brand and Dr. Peterson, and if such civilised individuals were to run for senate, many would vote for them.
Two very different people, respecting each other, vibing with eachother and looking for what could be right... Not who could be right. Ego checked at the door. Beautiful and enlightened discussion
Two people treating each other with respect and asking questions to get to the root of problems instead of trying to create quick sound bites. I really enjoyed this interview.
Jordan doesn't really answer any of Russell's questions. He continually bounces around and provides a series of psychological concepts as if Russell was his student or client. Thus, I don't think Jordan is very respectful of Russell
I believe there is nothing better in life than conversing like this, id rather have an interoectual discussion with someone who disagrees with me on topics than small talk with someone who has everything in common with me 😂
@@alfiewoodley01 Ditto to the Nth degree. Ongoing small talk is, well, it's like I quickly start hearing a clock ticking in my head, ticktock countdown to the end of my time on earth, time I'll never get back. Problem is finding people to have intellectual discussions with who you disagree with (and who preferably know more on some interesting subjects so as to learn from them), who can still master their temper and remain rational and cordial and importantly backup their views with some references when asked instead of getting upset. "Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." Euripides, Athens 480-406 BC
Peterson is not someone that actually "wants to figure shit out" He has made his living dumping his shit on other people then saying, "Hey there! I just noticed that you are covered with shit. Peterson is a controversy generator who attempt to monitize his creations without fail.
@@raykirkham5357 "I dont know, I'd have to think about that." "That's worth giving some serious thought." You're right, that's really spoken like a man who doesnt want to figure anything out(!)
The amazing thing about this dialogue is how close Brand and Peterson actually are in terms of ideas! I would expect them to be so far apart but yet both learn from each other. This is the type of conversation we need to have as a larger society - talking across the aisle; what we find may actually surprise us and bring us to a better understanding!!
Brand is a faker; he prepared his topic without comprehension- its written all over his bald face; always has been since he couldn't make it until he re-marketed himself as a ridiculous sex god
I mean he doesnt have as comprehensive a view as Peterson, he's not a doctor, but he is wise in his own way. I thought it was awesome to see Peterson talk to someone who more like me in terms of knowledge.
if you understand that, then youll understand this... the left and the right are mostly the same... the differences are present in the extremes... much the same as the rest of the testing. as such, our ideas and ideology are similar but the differences are present in the views of how we can build our society to the height that it can come to. if we are able to understand that... then we are on to something.i feel that we are on our way thanks to work from both of these two gentlemen... i love you both Brand, Dr. Peterson. you both are awesome.
Russell thinks SO fast that it is really impressive to me that he is so sane- that he has a lot of clarity and is so positively oriented. When you have such an abundance of mental energy and capability it takes a lot of work and vigilance to keep your mind guided down lanes that serve you and those around you. So I commend you for that Russell :) cheers mate
That may be a reason why he chose to sedate himself for so many years- until it nearly killed him. He’s on fire now, but he’s channeling all that furious energy into something good, something we can all benefit from!
He's either spouting th obvious or gibberish. Read this and learn what Jordan Peterson is all about: www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
Wow, I really really like Russell brand now. A lot of his viewpoints are so well thought through, even if I don't agree with him, I agree with his way of thinking.
Severely underrated comment right here. THIS is what we need to focus on. Way of thinking. We'll never agree on all the things (nor should we, as unity is a fast track to tyranny), but a more intelligent, FAIR, respectful _way of thinking_ is something we need to focus on. We have a loooooooong way to go in that respect, but it's critical.
Maybe you have the same type of thinking. Maybe the environment shaped the both of you different. Such as different viewpoints, other people in your surrounding, maybe believe or non believe.
Russell, you did a terrific job in this interview. In my opinion this is the best public conversation so far that Jordan Peterson has had with a person on the left like yourself. You did something important here that you can feel proud of.
Dionysus - I feel like sam is not very good at talking to people who disagree with him. I think he often takes is view point for granted instead of going with the ebb and flow of the conversation. I agree this podcast was much better.
Daniel Cobar the issue is that Peterson uses ideas, Harris uses facts. the problem is that if the person on the other side of Harris doesn't know the facts, or accept them for the sake of Sams argument, it's frustrating and pointless for him to continue. an example would be debating Islam assumes you be at the very least read the Quran, but Russel hasn't, and won't accept Sams understanding of it - so it's hard to continue the conversation entirely built on t e foundation of the understanding of the factual material. since Peterson focuses on the ideas/philosophy, he can simply fill you in on the punch line on the spot. had he had to argue against Islam, it would have been just as frustrating
I feel incredibly humbled by the fact that Russell and Dr Peterson got together and shared their thoughts and feelings on various topics. This was one of the deepest, most enlightened discussions I’ve seen on YT. I will encourage everyone to watch this video! Thanks you both!
Both Russell and Jordan Peterson are enjoying the conversation immensely. Very intellectually satisfying and, as always with JP, enlightening. Thank you!
jesus jones Interesting. How exactly does Jordan Peterson represent a ME ME ME ME perspective? His professional and moral mission in life seems to be helping others evolve, so it's a bit difficult to see. How does a "satanic luciferian" decide to create a series of lectures dedicated to interpreting the Bible is also beyond me.
I don't worship anyone. I just asked why you would think he is self-centered when all he does online is try to help others. But as you admit, in a roundabout way, that you're unable to tell me what the problem is, then whatever. You send me a link to a video of Tsarion bitching about Peterson not coming on to his podcast? What does that have to do with anything?
Scrolled through a lot of the comments expecting left v right arguments but haven't seen any of that (maybe I didn't scroll far enough?). Happy to see this sort of conversation happening. Perhaps it's a sign of times changing and open discussion between opposing opinions instead of slandering will become the next place we get to. Good stuff.
Since I was a teenager I always find it obvious that there are truth on both sides - and even most religions I know - but also limits, which are not always easy to define, especially when conflicts oppose persons with different views.
This is what two intelligent people discussing their worldviews should look like! A video every politician and interviewee should watch! No overpowering and cross speaking, absolutely interesting to watch!
Right? Two people curious, listening, respectful .... would we have patience for politicians discussing issues this way? Are we conditioned by media to listen only to sound bites? Or is media just responding to our short attention span? Either way, I’d rather live in a world where different perspectives are discussed and learned from...not necessarily a resolution where one side must win
I like your comment I think that both Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand have great vocabulary which describes their issues perfectly it is so amazing to listen to the two Converse and you nailed it with your comment about intelligent and humility along with along with a humanitarian spirit
@@jogo5732 no offense though, why do you think he's not humble? As he comes across very humble to me. Because he always thinks how to word his words correctly
@Daniel Sherwood oh, I agree with you. You are spot-on. That's why I don't think he challenged Peterson so much as interviewed him. There really wasn't much disagreement between them which is fine and right. They're generally isn't between open-minded thoughtful people. But every so often brand would go to his standard go to socialist class struggle rhetoric, because he tends to just see everything through a typical Left lens about power and hierarchy and compassion, which is fine but as Peterson points out is not all that useful for solving problems. It's just a starting point. But when he pulls out his rhetoric which I have heard from him in many different settings that usually goes unchallenged, brand I mean, Peterson gently says well no, not really, and then explains the fault in his logic, and brand wisely gets excited at looking at the situation Beyond his standard rhetoric and ends up having a very interesting exciting conversation. But I think he learned a lot more from this than Peterson, although I think Peterson was listening open-mindedly and the two of them together went to places neither of them would go alone. at least that's how I see the conversation. Overall , an outstanding conversation. I'm sure we can both agree on that
I've watched this several times and it's one of the best interviews I've ever watched. The interaction between the two minds is amazing. The amount of information is explosive. I felt both found themselves intrigued with each other and eventually found more commonality than difference . I really think they could be great friends , even more so by challenging each others perspectives. Bravo
The more conversational interviews I see with JP the more I get the sense he's quietly leading the conversation and treating it as a therapy session, bringing clarity to clouded minds. Great video.
Very true. I meant leading in that he's always aware of where the conversation is going and would rarely be surprised. I think once he has a sense of a person he make certain assumption based on their personality.
I love how the conversation bounces all over the place and explores so many areas. It just goes to show that long format podcasts are better than traditional media sound bites.
omg he mentioned and praised a very well known Romanian author Mircea Eliade He is very respected in our country, one of the best intellectuals of Romania. So cool! Thanks Jordan!
Just goes to show that Dr. Peterson really, truly knows his stuff, and should be taken seriously. Those that dismiss him never take on his arguments, only straw-man him, and label hims with SJW terms.
This video gives me hope that there are people searching for truth, goodness, and self-improvement. Thank you for the civility of the discussion, the depth of the conversation, and the willingness to challenge the audiences of both individuals. We need more of this type of exchange in our public and private lives. GREAT JOB!!!
"The conservatives promote the useful end of the distribution, and the liberals promote the generous end. And those things need to be brought together". Massively underrated statement, I believe there is a lot to unpack there.
Absolutely. There is much utility to both ends of the political spectrum, which stems from our individual, psychological tendencies, and I feel that a lot of people tend to demonize the side which they are not on. Of course, they tend to demonize the far end of the opposite side, which is understandable, but I think most people aren’t on the far ends.
The likely reason that statement is so widely underrated is because without evidentiary context it is too complicated an assertion of Truth for most people to understand on it's own.
@@Jamyn1996 Absolutely. And what's more: for what I personally see, it's becoming more and more common to demonize even not the far end. The simple fact that they are on the other side, tends more and more to be enough. It's becoming less and less a dialogue, and more and more like a stadium, where you cheer up for your 'team' and insult the ones that cheer for the 'other' team
Russel, thanks for this. The genuine communication, the attempt at understanding by both interviewer and interviewee was therapeutic. Just seeing two people actually listening to each other felt like a weight coming off of my shoulders. I desperately wish all news media could step towards how you handled this interview. As a conservative, I think I learned something about myself. I've had so many conversations devolve into arguments that it's changed the way I look at people. I get so frustrated by how news media has become an attempt to be witty and out maneuver instead of a sharing of facts and ideas. I think I've become somewhat like what I hate in that. If you've been struggling with how to do the most good Russel, all I can say is that this interview helped me, continue being an example of good communication.
This is what we need more of. Brand, who is left leaning dude willing to bring in people from the opposite side of the spectrum to sit and chat things out in a restrained and insightful manner. Left and right (granted Peterson is not heavily right but he is a bit more than Brand i think) can disagree in a manner that is actually healthy. The recent polarisation has descended into noise.
Peterson is slightly left leaning I would say. Though I have noticed he doesn't critique the right that much, I suspect because he specialises in warning against communist and radical left beliefs.
Yes but i like the fact he is actually willing to engage in a chat with people like Peterson and Harris instead of taking the recent left wing approach of name calling and pigeon holing.
I think he's more critical of the left because that is the way the world, humans are heading. And for the reason its destructive. I think he would prefer the middle.
Although I wholeheartedly agree with the content they are covering, I am more fascinated by and supportive of their style of communication. They are almost channeling.
JG Alegria a great example and musicians make mistakes when playing live but it’s more about recovering from that live toe stub and making it work with the audience. The right mixture of working together and understanding and focusing on the important bits and work on the mistakes but don’t let them fuck with you.
This was a great interview with Jordan Peterson, I liked Russells interview style and he seems to be one of the only interviewers who actually listened to what Jordan was saying. He also didn't try to push a narrative. Well done Russell.
Jordon Peterson finally put into words what I didn’t know how to express…that Im high on openness and a person who desires conversations that lean towards discovery. I rarely find that in people, and it explains why I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you two! You should do more videos together!
Tilveran , and all who feel this way. Welcome. I've been listening to JBP for nearly a year. His cruel message of responsibility is unparalleled from anything that I have exposed to. Truly, if each of us would just take up our own responsibility. Instead of falling behind what are in the end just excuses not to. This spiral into self destruction. Please clean your room.
jthadcast Brand did exactly what he should do. Have a civil conversation with someone you think you disagree with. If you want to know what someone thinks ask them, then listen. If you listen you find Peterson not to be as he's portrayed.
Dom C in the way he doesn't challenge his assertions of facts, from which he defends those preconceptions. listen to his talk with Sam Harris and i dare you to not pull your hair out after an hour. (e.g. guilt and shame are good, facing them (jung's -young's- shadow) allows an individual to grow, to recognize their true self and achieve compassion for self and others. to avoid these is to suppress the foundation of growth.) askani79705, Brand isn't a journalist and he isn't interviewing pekerson. this is a discussion and conversation of opposing views on reality. jp is the conservative poster child for apathy in the face of economic/social dysfunction driving the 6th mass extinction ... including homo sapiens.
I'm a huge fan of Peterson and typically didn't like Russel Brand. I always kinda considered him a snooty "holier than thou" celebrity type that hated capitalism while ironically benefiting from it. However I must say after watching this interview I now have a lot of respect for Russel Brand. I can see that he's a wholesome soul with a genuine curiosity and I wish him the best with his podcast 🙏
One can 'benefit' and be against something. Good example is Bertrand Russell. Some leftists also argue that the capitalist also suffer under capitalism, but don't realise it.
efcdk92 It's very stupid. Oh I see you're against wage slavery yet you work and buy products. Interesting. As leftists we do have the obligation to support richer people doing the right thing though and not call them names. But Russell is far from elite level finncially.
I think he's 95th percentile in trait openness but without a solid foundation in first principles so he's susceptible to bullshit ideas, especially since he thinks wide but shallow.
Russell is intelligent enough to get his ego out of the way which allows him to learn and grow. He's somewhat stuck in the lefty narrative but he's not dogmatic with it, as we see in this interview. Someone with the depth of JP can bring the best out of Russell because he didn't agitate his rebellious side. Credit to both.
It's harder to connect with our Kids when they're through their "teens" years, but here I am watching my Favorite Professor and mentor Dr. Peterson with my 16 year old daughter which adores Russell, The Universe aligned itself over my Home today Lol...!!!
Smart Cat Collar Project complicated for a 16 year old!? I'm 27 and felt completely out of my depth of understanding most of what they were talking about lol
@@dion6146 and you can watch him become more grounded and less political over time. Like he can simultaneously roast rush limbaugh and have Jordan Peterson on no problem
My view on Russell Brand has taken a 90 degree turn. I hope these two can meet again and have another astounding conversation such as this one. Really, one of the best JP interviews I’ve seen.
I strongly suspect that anyone with a deeply negative, aggressive or bitter stance towards either Russell or Jordan has either not sufficiently listened to their opinions and thoughts over the years or has not allowed themselves to openly consider them. Both, of course, have their primary positions, motivations and fetishes but here they eloquently and intelligently debate and discuss sensitive but necessary topics. I would suggest tempering the lazy and emotive ad hominem attacks and genuinely focusing on the content. An excellent podcast.
Man, I am truly honored to have been able to act as a 'fly-on-the-wall' for this amazing interaction between two GIANTS in our modern times. I admire, respect, & appreciate you both for what you do and sharing it with us so freely. Thank you, you help more people in so many ways that you will never be aware of.
Of all the videos and interviews of Dr. Peterson I've seen to date, Jordan seems the most relaxed, engaged, humorous, and candid. This was wonderful to witness as Jordan laughed out loud and expressed best his own 'high openness'. Likewise, Russell, you have delightfully revealed far more understanding and insight into complex and intellectual concepts than I would have otherwise realized or given you credit. I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation and will most likely have to watch it a few more times to fully grasp all the concepts and applications that were presented and proving so relevant today. As always, balanced and informative. Russell, you did a fine job with your line and quality of questions and comments~ My exposure to Jordan the past six months, like so many others that have been experiencing, has been a blessing far beyond the realm of any other single individual in my personal quest to seek an understanding of our rapidly changing sociological, and personal environment. Thank you, both Russell for compiling and offering this interview to the world and Jordan for continuing to share your lifelong and insightful study of humanity and applications thereof...
To think, it may really be clinical psychology that we all need came out of nowhere for me too, as i languished. He is a much needed ray of light. I was holding my breath wondering if JP would repeat an earlier sentiment about being "scared of saying something wrong", and how RB would respond.
You underestimated Russell because you bought into the slander the "skeptic" community threw at him. You like many others on the internet refuse to think for yourself. You think tribally, you believe that just because someone has socialist ideals it means that they are either unintelligent or malevolent. You people are pathetic.
He is the true journalist in this interview he wants to get to know whats peterson is all about instead of painting him on a wall and then atacking that wall regardless of the picture even matches the person and over the course of the interview he enjoys the journey that at the root level theyre both on the road to something profound in their own way
Just watched this interview for the first time and out of hundreds of interviews I’ve seen of Dr. Peterson this is hands-down, the best. So much ground covered in so many great directions because of the mind blowing depth of the questions. Thank you.
This is how the interview on Channel 4 should have gone, Russell might not agree with everything but he is inquisitive and keeps the conversation going and its been very entertaining, only about 35 min in so far but loving it!
Russell That was a brilliant interview - even when you disagreed you didn’t disconnect You didn’t push an agenda You where fantastic Any chance you pick up a job a news 4😜
The only reason, the ONLY reason Russell Brand condescended to do this interview is because right now, Jordan Peterson is in the eye of the media, and he wants a piece of the limelight. He would not have been remotely interested in talking to Jordan Peterson a year or two years ago.
I most certainly heard an agenda in Russell's questions, and JP responded to that agenda in each one the points they discussed. Both were friendly and respectful, and It made for a good discussion.
achapa799 Russell rarely has the foresight to shut up and learn something from anyone on the other side of politics. He's always too busy virtue signalling and talking over people smarter than himself. This interview is a rare performance.
This works really well. And i think it does so because 1. They are coming from different viewpoints 2. They have great respect for one another. Russell Brand has clearly been doing his homework, and it makes this one of the best discussions ever to take place on social media. Kudos to both men
Tim Hill "he has clearly been doing his homework".........Right! I think too often people don't do their homework which can be seen in the C4 video and, within society at large......Or, to go a little further, they think they have done their homework and then close their mind to new ideas/thoughts. If you're not evolving you might as well be going backwards imo.
I don't think it's closing their minds to new ideas/thoughts that's really the issue in most cases so much as most of the time people's knowledge of the subjects they discuss with him are based on appeals to authority in which case it's perfectly valid to reason that just because they're not aware of the opposing argument doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The main problem is that too many of the people who are aware of the opposing science have just assumed Peterson is an alt-right activist and not worth talking to. I really hope videos like this will gradually change their minds because I'm tired of listening to both(all) sides complain about how nobody who disagrees with them is willing to talk to them. At least with this conversation it's plainly clear that neither of them are being intentionally inflammatory and then whining about how all the people they just insulted don't want to talk to them.
The fascinating thing about this conversation to me is that I think Russell and Peterson have both been misjudged by the left and the right. Most conservatives talk about Russel like he is some hippy dippy twit, and he clearly is not. I enjoy listening to both of the men speak and despite not agreeing with everything either of them says, I get great value from listening to them.
Most of the people regardless of their political position are not critical thinker. There are reasonable arguement from both sides, only a difference of perception. But majority don't manage to judge objectively.
Groundbreak Studios I think they are more mis-labeled rather than mis-judged. Neither of these men have anything to offer the establishment that would help further their respective political agendas. They are intentionally mis-labeled as such, not mistakenly mis-judged. Not trying to split hairs here, just my 2 cents.
That's so important to listen to people even if you dont agree with everything they say or do, because you can still learn from them, like both of these two people. Too many people hear one bad thing and then disregard all their other ideas. You cant agree with everything some says.
I think Mr. Brand's ideas have their problems/differences from me, but I will say this is one of the best Jordan Peterson interviews of "opposing views" I have seen yet. Well done, Mr. Brand...
I didn't sense any opposition, quite the opposite. Sure, they have evolved differences of viewpoint, but there is no opposition here. I strongly sense they came to this each with enormous respect for the other's work, and a great deal of kinship was expressed in this conversation.
russell clearly is prodding JBP for corrections to learn more about himself, hes wording it in a manor of opposition to keep the conversation being a conversation, theres a difference between opposition and seeking of correction by demonstrating the ways in which your currently internalized belief structure is in conflict with these new ideas. JBP always presents opposing information to his own points so he can correct them, doesn't mean hes in opposition with himself when he does that.
Ok, I wasn't going to bother reply to this comment but now everyone seems to be misreading my comment because of it... I'm saying "opposing" in quotes because they DO have different beliefs on a variety of different topics but unlike other interviewers Russell Brand wasn't trying to push an agenda... which made this enjoyable to watch
Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson are an amazing duet. Rarely do you encounter a podcast with such absolute clarity. It’s an absolute privilege that such elucidating discussion is freely available. My personal task is to be better informed about the biblical and psychological references they are making.
This was SUCH a treat to watch - two highly insightful, sincere people picking each other's brains and letting us watch - I'll be back for repeats, that's for sure!
Russell is far from a simple minded oaf. He acts dumb but he is actually very clever. Look at how he manipulates interviewers when he is on their show. He cracked Hollywood and banged Katy Perry. Enough said.
@@MarkMyerson If you ever get the chance, if you haven'y already, check out the Joe Rogen and Maynard James Keenan. It's one of the few I had to hear multiple times.
Mikkel Larsen being a fan is antihuman. fuck the posing arse. words live as we do. characters grow again and again eternally. affected brands can only be sold
This serves to debunk the labels of 'right wing firebrand' for Mr Peterson, who to me is simply a liberal conservative, a practical thinking man-Russell has certainly come a long way, i enjoyed this exchange.
I could take another 8 hours of this. A couple of months ago, I thought "what would Peterson and Brand think of each other?" But then I thought that their worlds are too far apart for them to make contact. Thank God for the internet!
They both have a great respect and value for truth. They come at it from different ends of the spectrum. But both admit their leanings and biases, and generally want to understand the other side. Brand deserves a massive amount of credit, because he is so contrary to a popular Leftist, where they refuse to talk to Peterson. He's the first real pseudo-Left person I've seen engage him in a conversation. They are both searching to make humanity better for all by searching for truth.
See, I really love what Jordan Peterson is doing in these conversations, and he’s inspiring people as a “father figure.” People talk about him almost engaging in therapy, but from my understanding of what he does... I could offer endless praise! But so, where this is a truly incredibly difficult thing to do is when you only have yourself to answer for, and you’ve isolated yourself in misery, and you’re in the middle of suffering for your actions. And I’ll give you a solution that takes real *determination and *discernment, during these times of utter distress. Whatever the conflict is, the inadequacy, the wallowing futility, BRING these things to their Ultimate *Extreme. Begin a bit of brainstorming to *Tell yourself a *Story of wild exaggeration, developing it into a *Comedy with a happy ending. Say, you’re currently stuck at the very point of no return, and you simply can’t will yourself out of the depths... all you need to do is introduce to yourself the possibility of a leap of faith, to hypothetically drop off of the point of no return to the place you fear the most and attain Real, True, Clarity. What Jordan Peterson is doing, and in ironically many more words than I can personally manage, is guiding the conversation to very distinguishable Moments of Clarity and unquestionable Truth. He does NOT have any patience for Deception and self-sabotage. Cathy Newman is an example of him keeping it on such a respectable level that she believes it went well, while he got exactly what he wanted which was those moments of True Clarity (“Ha, Gotcha”) where he felt like he was actually speaking to the real person.
I think the fact so many fans of Peterson seem to be surprised that Russel can hold his own in this conversation illustrates the way people too easily misunderstand Russel which is likely due to a widespread bias against the political standpoint he represents. But cool people are seeing him in a new light
Dorian Rathmanner completely agree with you .... the judgment of R Brand was shocking ... however, I am pleased to see people open up and are able to see him for the intelligent , open minded soul he is ...
I think people are just surprised that anyone outside the immediate academic community can keep up with Peterson and his high level of intelligence and eloquence.
I can see that Russel is far from bad in rhetorics, but that even people like Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols) are complaining about his "revolution" is pretty alarming to me. ---> look it up at youtube: th-cam.com/video/pY6S2TzytVY/w-d-xo.html
Peterson keeps being asked to comment about the fact that most of his audience is male. And some imply that women only listen to find flaws in his arguments, or they only go to his lectures to find boyfriends. There's this push to paint him as only interesting to frustrated male nationalists. I'm just wanting to help point out that in fact there are women who find Jordan Peterson's material valuable, compelling, fascinating, wonderful, motivating and life-changing, too. :D
Hey Black Knight. I'm actually on your side. I'm against feminism in it's current form as well. I think women in muslim nations need some feminism so they can do things like not get legally raped, drive a car, leave the house without a male family-member, etc. But I agree with you 100% that this idea of having "equal representation" of women in stem, military, politics, investment banking, etc, is ridiculous and harmful. :)
One of the most interesting programs I've seen with either of these two individuals. It's so rare that you see a program that is not interviewer and interviewee. This was just two very interesting, thoughtful people having a conversation, honestly trying to understand each other in both their similarities and their differences. Bravo!
See, I really love what Jordan Peterson is doing in these conversations, and he’s inspiring people as a “father figure.” People talk about him almost engaging in therapy, but from my understanding of what he does I could offer endless praise! But so, where this is a truly incredibly difficult thing to do is when you only have yourself to answer for, and you’ve isolated yourself in misery, and you’re in the middle of suffering for your actions. And I’ll give you a solution that takes real *determination and *discernment, during these times of utter distress. Whatever the conflict is, the inadequacy, the wallowing futility, BRING these things to their Ultimate *Extreme. Begin a bit of brainstorming to *Tell yourself a *Story of wild exaggeration, developing it into a *Comedy with a happy ending. Say, you’re currently stuck at the very point of no return, and you simply can’t will yourself out of the depths... all you need to do is introduce to yourself the possibility of a leap of faith, to hypothetically drop off of the point of no return to the place you fear the most and attain Real, True, Clarity. What Jordan Peterson is doing, and in ironically many more words than I can personally manage, is guiding the conversation to very distinguishable Moments of Clarity and unquestionable Truth. He does NOT have any patience for Deception and self-sabotage. Cathy Newman is an example of him keeping it on such a respectable level that she believes it went well, while he got exactly what he wanted which was those moments of True Clarity (“Ha, Gotcha”) where he felt like he was actually speaking to the real person.
While I admire and agree with the message that is Jordan B.Peterson's expression of truth, I am vexed by his habitual use of needlessly inaccurate terminology. 35:52"So what Jung thought-His idea was something like this, that: At the beginning of time, people were unconscious, and that consciousness emerged with all of it's catastrophes. Consciousness of death for example. And, one way out of the burden of consciousness was to return to unconsciousness! You can do that with alcohol, you can do that by being dependent, you can do that by failing to grow up."-An inattentive or low-IQ individual would take this at face value, but let me elucidate in reiteration, his actual meaning: "At the beginning of time, people were *oblivious,* and that *awareness* emerged with all of it's catastrophes of perception, responsibility and blame. *Awareness* of death for example. One way out of the burden of *awareness* was to return to *obliviousness!* You can do that with alcohol, you can do that by being dependent, you can do that by failing to grow up." *Unconsciousness* is the state of sleep, oblivious people are indeed asleep to that which they are oblivious, but they are *awake* thus not "unconscious." Ignorant, yes, unconscious, NO! Jordan B. Peterson's habitual use of context to shift the meaning of "unconsciousness" into a synonym for "obliviousness," and "consciousness" for "awareness," is archaic and irrationally imprecise in the context of explicitly expressing the subtle nuances within the mechanism of psychology. It makes the task of comprehension into one of an IQ test, rather than having his expression be the elucidation that it was intended to be. This linguistic folly has even made its way into the dictionary as if "consciousness" were a synonym for "awareness," when in fact *awareness is actually no synonym for consciousness,* but *a component of it, the other component being attention.* Yes, consciousness expands and contracts in relation to the flow of attention and awareness. Attentiveness culminates awareness and awareness leverages further attentiveness and all in relation to the duration of exerted attention in any given situation. This does not merit the folly of implying that "awareness is all there is to consciousness," that "the fuller psyche is not consciousness," as implied by the way he uses the term "unconsciousness." Unconsciousness is only sleep, it is not your *subconsciousness,* which is the lower and inner layers of consciousness in the total sphere of your whole consciousness. Jordan has the unfortunate habit of falsely equating the the hidden depths of consciousness as if they were disassociated from the surface layers within which one experiences the wakefulness that is ambiguously refereed to as "consciousness-to the exclusion of the subconscious." This is no gripe of empty sophistry but authentic and serious points of discernment that need to be addressed by Jordan B. Peterson's volitional attention and awareness, the surface layers of his consciousness, which then transmit to the subconscious layers the correction as it will make sense to him. 36:14"You refuse the burden of consciousness(awareness) by becoming unconscious(oblivious) again. But there's another way for it, which is to become even(his spirit fires up as he takes on an expression that resembles the expressiveness of Bruce Lee) more conscious. So the Idea would be, a little bit of consciousness(awareness) is like an illness but if you can expand that consciousness upwards enough, then it's stum-something-it starts to become something that-it's-ow that is it's own cure." This notion, the path of progressive character development, that's what Bruce Lee was about. It's also the appeal in good stories and a key driver in role playing video games. It's a progressive expansion into the unknown, with doubt and fear abated by a sense of certainty that's building up from the cyclic yet exponential growth of your power to effect change. While I admire and agree with the message that is Jordan B.Peterson's expression of truth, I am vexed by his habitual use of needlessly inaccurate terminology.
Russel's reaction around minute 35 when Peterson tells him that Jung wrote a book about the story of Job is so genuine and great. You can tell he didn't know about the book and is extremely excited to look into it.
I am an avid fan of Jordan Peterson, but this is one of the most satisfying interviews with him I've have seen so far! Loved the depth they got into! Also loved Jordan talking about the 'masculine' being important in women. "The enemies of the masculine in men are also the enemies of the masculine in women". Agree! This is when women take on the role of victim, and men withdraw. In the west we're trying to leave the whole 'yang' out of the universal yin/yang. Gender relations are collapsing with out it and our society will collapse without it.
The destruction of the family unit is part of the unwritten post modernist ideology. Since gender roles are essential to maintain a successful family unit the destruction of those roles will necessarily destroy the family as consequence. The reason behind this is to create more dependency on the state in the population as a whole. Mass immigration also creates more state dependency through lower wages and high unemployment, higher crime etc.
Femininity has also been bastardized today. Transexuals and feminine or 'flaming' homosexuals are an example of that. The idea that high heels, makeup, incessant beauty routines, gossiping, pretentious ideals are somehow quintessentially 'feminine' comes from media, especially advertising. Then you have the opposite on a soap box claiming feminine power is actually being masculine. When really through time, go back further and the natural feminine power has nothing to do with these things and is incredibly deeper, more innate and quite frankly very needed in a well balanced society. But there has been a war on true femininity for decades now, and the pendulum has swung in so many ways to attack and reform what womanhood is. Women really are the easiest targets in this matter. It's ridiculous and it has truly twisted women up in so many ways. And when you twist women up, the men follow and attempt to make sense of it all and change themselves accordingly or become extremely bitter going off in the opposite direction and you're left with this insanely unhappy and confused society. I'm not saying this is the only contributor, but it is certainly one.
I'm a woman and I have found Petersons work very valuable to me and my family. To get this find on information on utube is a treasure. Thank you Gentlemen. I also enjoy Russle Brand. Thank you both for the time and compassion for humanity.
Hey Russell. Thanks for having Jordan on. I’m a mother and he’s really helped me to stop and think about how I’m interacting with my son. He’s a visionary.
Thank you on behalf of the male sex for trying to raise him with his masculinity intact. As you know, we're in trouble. I love both of these speakers deeply and strive to be my own version of them.
@@MillaloveHandmade It cannot be taken from us, but it is corruptible. In each person at birth are seeds of who they could be and how they grow depends on how they're nurtured.
Sarahfetti Well, if you sincerely would, I’ll start with a few points. We as a society don’t even have a clear conception of what manhood is. Gender roles may be constructed and vary widely among cultures, but they’re not made out of thin air. Without a clear conception, there is less of a sense of identity and direction. It’s more difficult to lead a life with conviction and authenticity when we don’t know what to be authentic to. Soul searching is part of the journey anyway, but still. It’s usually not the intention, but many of us have been taught about manhood in a way that invalidates us. We may integrate the idea that there’s something inherently wrong with being a man. To put it dramatically, that we’re a monster to be tamed and that we will harm others if we don’t suppress our nature. Of course, there are aspects that are to be managed and men have caused harm throughout history, but there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with men that is worthy of shame in itself. The shame this conception can bring leads some of us to deny parts of ourselves to make ourselves harmless. The immediate problem with that is that we lose the healthy implementation of those aspects. There’s truth to the nice guy stereotype here. It’s how some nice guys are born, like maybe me. We’re still in a sour place when it comes to the treatment of our emotions. There’s still the idea that we can’t be sensitive or cry in public and so on. At least when we do cry as kids, we’re told “Don’t cry” more often. There’s still a sense that sensitive men are less desirable. Yeah, we can say it’s ok on paper, but it’s another matter to not look down on a guy who’s breaking down right in front of us. There’s an educational achievement gap between males and females (I use the terms here for age neutrality). Women are getting better grades and more degrees. Men may get more mileage out of what they do achieve, but the missed success and learning remains a concern. Of course, all of this isn’t to the exclusion of women’s issues or anything like that.
@@stefan1924 I'd say he's enjoyed most of the long form discussions he's participated in that have been genuine discussions and not attacks. Even his debate with Sam Harris, an intellectual opponent of his, he cited as an experience that helped him learn and grow his ideas.
YesReneau, just wanted so say I watch your videos :) Also, I agree. The conversations between Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand are pretty fascinating. It’s also nice to see people discuss things and not completely attack people.
Patterson is nothing more than a Christian based pseudo psychologist wannabe, he’s not even capable of looking after his own mental health nor bringing up a mentally healthy offspring. He’s just very bitter but very well spoken. You will find that often those who use overly complex words and grammar are actually attempting to make up for something they lack and portray themselves as more intelligent than they actually are. This man is bitter and angry, which is written clearly on his face and demeanour. Sad man spreading lies.
I've never previously had much time for Russell Brand, but this interview exemplifies how significantly more researched and intelligible he is than 95% of mainstream media and a hang of a lot of high profile social/political commentators. Still don't much like his comedy, but he has my respect.
Russel loves the wu wu peterson likes to push about religion. peterson is great in other areas, but in this metaphoric truth stuff, he is trying to push. it's nothing but wu wu.
My first Russell Brand episode and I must say, By far this is the best Jordan Peterson Interview I’ve experienced. How often do you listen to an interview where both the host and the guest blow your mind at the same time?
Although I may not agree with everything Jordan Peterson says, what I admire is that he doesn't simply look at the surface of issues and base his opinions on that, which is what most people do, he studies them in depth and then formulates his opinion.
At least 20% of professors in social sciences and humanities self-identify as marxists. They are probably many more than that. That's the ideology that has caused >80 millions deaths in 20th century. That's the ideology that is creating all those SJW's sheeps who are spreading hate and division wherever they appear. So yeah, dr Peterson is right about social sciences and humanities.
PZ Myers criticized his understanding of both evolution and neuroscience. I can attest that this is really 101 level shit. The president of the Canadian Bar Association wrote him a letter saying he grossly misunderstood the legal implications of the pronoun bill. He subscribes to the ‘Cultural Marixsm’ conspiracy theory, whereby the Frankfurt School, post-structuralist deconstruction, and queer theory are seen as deliberate Communist strategy to underpin and destroy the West. The nazis were big fans of this conspiracy theory, thus the triple parenthesis. Admittedly I'm no expert in philosophy, but during his Sam Harris debate he seemed to have a decidedly postmodern/neo-pragmatist understanding of truth. All in all, his philosophy seems extremely confused, and contradictory. The subreddit r/badphilosophy had to start a new subreddit for him because he was being posted so often. He posts poorly reasoned critiques of Disney movies, and reliance on red-scare history that most historians are very critical of now a days. He often presents himself as a STEM empiricist, but if psychology is a soft science, he teaches the softest areas of the subject. If experimental psychologists are skeptical of Freud, then they downright ridicule Jung. The two defiantly have interesting ideas, but by no means is it empirically rigorous. Yet Peterson truly seems to believe it all. It made me appreciate my university more, because we were taught to be skeptical of it all. Some of his clinical psychology advice seem good, but then again that is his field. The rest of it is reactionary demagoguery, which is very popular within alt-right, and alt-light circles.
Well only at Jungs level will you be able to understand his work. It is a study of the subconscious and usually only the most individual with a high level of awareness can make sense out of him lol. I do agree with you on the rest but I think his reliance and reasoning critiques is just due to his clinical advice, overly simplifying things fundamentally. But about the conspiracy theory, it does make a lot of sense where the LGBT group and the government are going. With some facts and deep research on them. This is the first time ever in the history of mankind, that's why it's scary. Soon enough, you will see a country for LGBT sjw's trust me if westerners cannot adapt. Why cant westerners be like Thailand maybe and learn to co-exist with one another. Getting into constitutions is begging for seperation.
I didn't expect it at all ! Genuinely - thank you, Russell Brand, for walking firmly in your pursuit of truth. This is something that other figures on the Left lack nowadays. This is your best podcast yet, and , though I didn't expect it at all, this is the most profound conversation of Jordan Peterson up to date. I listened to it 3 times already, and will certainly return to it later. Greeting from Ukraine!
This was an absolutely brilliant interview and discussion. The beauty here is the contrast between Jordan and Russell. It's a testament to the fact that when people are sincerely open-minded and value truth, knowledge, and respect, it doesn't matter how much you disagree on matters to draw out valuable interaction. Jordan Peterson, being a successful professor and well-respected thinker, is obviously better educated, but this actually emphasizes how well Russell did: In my view Jordan was particularly engaging and authentically interested in Russell, not to mention comfortable. To be honest, Jordan has the habit to spin things to the narratives he's comfortable with (understandable as he's touring around with interviews and shows all centering around his book and the political controversies he's known for). Here however, is where I've seen him the most human, and where his experience as a clinical psychologist comes out most charmingly. I haven't seen all of Jordan's videos, with the first time seeing an Under the Skin video, but damn this was great! Again, mad props to Russell.
Russell, I watched these podcasts in reverse order and I've been doing a bit of binging on your videos while reading RECOVERY... You may never read this but I will just say that you have a very solid brilliance and sobriety serves you well. You have the highest ideals for our future that any of us can hope or aspire to achieve and I feel your urgency in trying to find the way to create it. Just keep lending your special form of wisdom and keep talking to influential thinkers. You are helping to give people an opportunity to remold their minds and think of the possibilities of which each person can contribute. Thank you for many excellent conversations and mental exercises for creating a better future. Be blessed. Namaste BRUDDA...
Was about to say the same thing, also reading recovery right now, i found this guy just precious to our world. And this conversation with J.Peterson just made me feel great inside, like there is still hope for humanity to listen to each other, also love the energy of this guy soul!
Russell acknowledges his flaws now too and he acknowledges his bias, but that doesn’t mean his own arguments are factually infallible and he recognizes that as well. Its his quest for knowledge and perspective that is beautiful and you can clearly tell that this man truly wishes to know why he, himself, and others think the way they do.
I didn’t know one thing about Russell Brand before watching this and I have watched hours of Jordan B Peterson’s conversations with various hosts, this is one of the most enjoyable.
Joe rogans Interview was more fluid.it also resonated much better with more clarity and got the viewers engaged passionately.this was bland.russel...lmao
A pro-communist and anti postmodernist walk into room... and have civil discussion trying their best to understand each other, like the way it should be.
Russell had a much more facilitative and productive interview style here than in the Sam Harris interview. It would be great to re-interview Sam using this type of approach.
Danilo Vega Brand's stance is debatable, but I wouldn't call Peterson a religious capitalist - that title is more fitting for Pat Robertson or Joel Osteen... I don't know what to categorize JP.
ApotheosiZ peterson on many occassions has labeled himself a classic liberal. He doesnt want to overturn free markets, but as far as i can tell hes not against gov assistance to help out the less fortunate when needed.
Long form discussions like this are such a blessing. A genuine discussion between two very different people who actually care about each others opinions even if they disagree
Now this is the conversation I needed. A whimsical and intelligent adventure between two brilliant minds that are only fulfilling their inquisitive natures like two very old dragons coming together after 1000 years and conversating about what they have learned so that they will both benefit from their knowledge and wisdom.
I SO LOVE TO HEAR LOVELY, EXQUISITE, INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION!!! Witty, astute, fluent discussion; moreover intensely focused dialogue IN OPEN PEACE WITH GRACE AND EXUBERANT PARTICIPATION GOING SO DEEP ON MANY LEVELS.......I SERIOUSLY CANNOT TELL YOU BOTH HOW THOROUGHLY I ENJOYED YOUR DISCOURSE!!! INDIVIDUALLY YOU TWO ROCK, BUT YOUR TWO MINDS TOGETHER IN ONE ROOM.......I JUST LOVE IT WHEN A MAN KNOWS WHAT A BRAIN IS FOR!!! IT'S SUCH A HOT TURN ON!!!!
“Go on, unpack that a bit.”
Wonderful
Mah man!!!
that was delicious hhaha
omg this snippet made me check out the comment section haha
There’s an interviewer called Peter something who is on TH-cam on the Hoover Institute who quotes his guests books to them, then say ‘please unpack that a bit’
I suspect you would like those videos too
So, there you go!
hahahah that's was great, went looking to see if someone else also picked that up hahaha
How refreshing to watch an interview where two people let each other finish their sentences.
Peterson tryed his best not to let brand do so.
Russell Brand is amazing, of curse Peter Jordan is the master
Theo Von's interview is good also. Comedians both.
Both of them had there moments of interrupting each other. Neither are perfect, but it was a far more respectful discussion than most when JP is interviewed.
Really? Brand was interrupting constantly
I love how Russel genuinely wants to learn from the people he invites on his Podcasts. You can tell his motive isn't entertainment as much as it is satisfying his curiosity.
Yeah, he does so in a way that's respectful , too. He seems to have actually put the time into understanding his guests
Very organic and refreshing
Unfortunately he doesn’t treat Sam Harris with that same respect
I was fine, even impressed, with Russel up to about the one-hour mark, and then he stopped being respectful, began interrupting, and descended to his normal left Wing position
The man is a disgrace to the UK, and I have never forgiven him, nor will I ever, for his so called 'pranking' phone call
Forgive and forget, holding grudges is bad for your health.
This was a breath of fresh air. This is humanity and what we are lacking and craving. A civil conversation centered around understanding.
@@johnboyjordan1915 I literally choked on my water laughing at your comment! In my hours of watching a reading Jordan Peterson ( who I’m assuming you are targeting your misguided criticisms at), he has never said anything to “legitimize neo-Nazi ideologies”. You are obviously extremely biased in your views, have little to no ability to be open-minded, and appear to be quite pompous. Good luck in life!
@@johnboyjordan1915 you’re too far left. That is all.
@@johnboyjordan1915 Maybe we can have a civil conversation *wink*wink* if maybe you have some evidence from a reliable source. I’m not saying that I LOVE Jordan Peterson nor do I hate the guy. My point was, this is how two mature adults with differing opinions have a conversation. With open minds, open hearts, and without automatically hating the other person.
@@johnboyjordan1915 This was just a long list of unbacked ideologies and personal beliefs. I’m asking for a primary source that gives any evidence to what your saying. Otherwise, I’m just talking to a brainwashed wall here. Oh and yes, I do agree with you that he doesn’t like the extreme left or Marxism . That is quite evident. But I’m not going to hate someone purely because they don’t love extreme sides of the political spectrum or is a capitalist (seems a bit harsh to me lol). But again, I’m asking for ANY examples that I can go find that shows he is a neo-Nazi promoter or radicalist who is inciting riots...
@@johnboyjordan1915 Wow! You are a trip! I have done quite thorough research; which is why I’m calling you on your self righteous bullshit. This conversation was doomed from the start ( I should have known). I think it’s best for both parties for us to save our breath from here on out. You can respond, but I will not.
Two of my favorite intellectuals diving into the abyss. I’ve never seen Jordan so comfortable at an interview. His body language tells it all. Most of his encounters are a battle field. Like always, Russel was engaging, Curious and respectful.
This is by far my favorite as we can see the ideas, theories and depth manifest before us.
I completely agree.
I purposely avoided listening to Peterson for a long time. Partly due to the media hype. Russell Brand though, I have a lot of time for. Loved his early comedy and have been fascinated by his intellectual "evolution"/"coming of age".
Putting these two together makes a great deal of sense. It's a great dive into reasoned debate. Forget the sound bites, let's just talk and see what we learn
Brilliant! I'll have to return to this, much to unpack. Like any good course of study it will lead to me to further reading (listening). TH-cam threw up a couple of interviews with Peterson based on my viewing but they were far too shallow to properly grasp his ideas. The algorithm isn't always wrong
Wait. JBP is an intellectual? I thought he was the guy who randomly made up deep sounding shit for white people.
Agree Jordan likes Russell. Relaxed, for a change.
This is what a conversation between apposing view points should sound like. No grandstanding, no screaming, no insults, no shaming. This is how you remove the hate/fear from the world! No really, it's that big of a deal!
Hear here!!
Yes. Save that type of behaviour for "The View"!
P Jameson I disagree that they have opposing view points. I hear different articulation and understanding of the same fundamental view point.
Jordan Peterson got that from Carl Rogers, the proper way to have an argument/conversation.
Am I to infer that you think Peterson is pro-Trump?
Kudos to you Russell Brand, I admit to having pre-concieved notions about you, but you genuinely seemed interested in what Jordan Peterson was saying. I think this is a good example of people being able to realize that they may have more in common than they initially think.
Must admit, I thought he'd be antagonistic and SJWish at him.
Fair play.
Wish he'd have had the same attitude in the Sam Harris interview
Hellhole, he created that character and nurtured it: it's not people's fault that they identified it and followed what he literally wanted to put across.
hellhole I think we all make these snap judgements though, no one is immune to bias.
hellhole , I have never seen Brand on a talk show, only him talking by himself at a camera saying some very irrational and dogmatic things. I think speaking to someone like Dr. Peterson has a way of calming people down and he expresses his views in a way that invites polite discourse. It may be that Russell is growing up but he is still a gigantic bell end
I know I'm super late to the party here, but this is probably the best conversation I've seen on TH-cam. I wish the whole country could talk to each other like this.
Same!!
This is a classic and soon to be scripture, it is February 2024
I had no idea Russel Brand was so intelligent, deep, wise, well spoken, and articulate. What an outstanding interview.
@Ela Lamblin why would any sort of physical disability affect a person's intelligence? You sound like an extremely basic person with a below average intelligence who somehow believes themselves to be a wise philosophical sage. You just sound like a 54 year old housewife writing pop-philosphy on Facebook.
J G that’s not his point. He’s saying anyone can be intelligent
@Ela Lamblin There is also a man called Karl Pilkington
J G So you’re saying a man that’s blind, deaf and can’t speak can gather as much knowledge as a normal person? You must be joking. You’d be surprised how much hearing, speaking and sight affect your life
Star Wars Meme Man no, he said that physical disabilities won’t make you smarter.
Thank you for breaking the echo chambers. I really enjoyed this conversation.
Came here to say ^this^; leaving satisfied. +1
What "echo chambers"
Huzaifa Ahmed exactly...
oh?
It's incredible that Brand was able to ACCURATELY recount Peterson's espoused views on the subject, and as a result the conversation remained civil and became incredibly insightful.
Axis S 100% agree. So refreshing to hear Peterson say 'yes that's accurate' after hearing his views summarised and then to have the conversation actually move on from that point rather than just devolve into Peterson having to correct an ignorant interviewer with an agenda.
He's come a long way.
I can't understand why everybody is continually underestimating Brand. He's an intelligent bloke. A very outgoing, *comedic*, and famous one, that's his mistake in the eyes of the public. In there lies the problem. Think about it. We associate famous people, especially comedians, with clowns. Do we? Do you think a clown is intelligent? I don't think people do. I on the other hand don't question anyone's intelligence until I hear them speak more intimately about the subjects. You should never underestimate, or *overestimate* anyone's intelligence, ever, unless you talk to them privately. People tend to do that too often. I guess they read "Daily Mail" daily...
dddux Brand is frequently denigrated by the media specially the BBC, yet the brainwashing from the media does not work. His humour is so disarming he breaks through people’s comfort zone in terms of their ideas. His intelligence is endlessly underestimated because he’s a comedian from Essex with long hair, and yet very few people can shut him down effectively in an exchange. He has more in common with JP in intellect and ability than it would first appear.
It's not so incredible, when you are familiar with Russell.
20 minutes into the video and I had the thought, "Imagine if our legislative debates were like this." I vote for Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson for senate!
Politicians are whores. Why dont u understand this. Running for office is degrading.
@@lastwhtknight3002 I believe the point being made is that we wish our politicians were not "whores" but civilised, thoughtful people like Brand and Dr. Peterson, and if such civilised individuals were to run for senate, many would vote for them.
The Elections aren't being held in heaven!
Neither of these fellows wants the pressure of being a politician. That's my impression, thus far.
@@lastwhtknight3002 True change can only happen from within. Same thing with changing the toxic political spectrum.
Two very different people, respecting each other, vibing with eachother and looking for what could be right... Not who could be right. Ego checked at the door. Beautiful and enlightened discussion
Two people treating each other with respect and asking questions to get to the root of problems instead of trying to create quick sound bites. I really enjoyed this interview.
Jordan doesn't really answer any of Russell's questions. He continually bounces around and provides a series of psychological concepts as if Russell was his student or client. Thus, I don't think Jordan is very respectful of Russell
"is was a good conversation. did you enjoy it?" a mindset of someone that actually wants to learn and figure shit out.
I believe there is nothing better in life than conversing like this, id rather have an interoectual discussion with someone who disagrees with me on topics than small talk with someone who has everything in common with me 😂
@@alfiewoodley01 Ditto to the Nth degree. Ongoing small talk is, well, it's like I quickly start hearing a clock ticking in my head, ticktock countdown to the end of my time on earth, time I'll never get back. Problem is finding people to have intellectual discussions with who you disagree with (and who preferably know more on some interesting subjects so as to learn from them), who can still master their temper and remain rational and cordial and importantly backup their views with some references when asked instead of getting upset.
"Man's most valuable trait is a judicious sense of what not to believe." Euripides, Athens 480-406 BC
It should apply to both sides
Peterson is not someone that actually "wants to figure shit out" He has made his living dumping his shit on other people then saying, "Hey there! I just noticed that you are covered with shit. Peterson is a controversy generator who attempt to monitize his creations without fail.
@@raykirkham5357
"I dont know, I'd have to think about that."
"That's worth giving some serious thought."
You're right, that's really spoken like a man who doesnt want to figure anything out(!)
Jordan Peterson literally saved my life. Thank you, Russell for giving Dr. Peterson the platform to express his views.
The amazing thing about this dialogue is how close Brand and Peterson actually are in terms of ideas! I would expect them to be so far apart but yet both learn from each other. This is the type of conversation we need to have as a larger society - talking across the aisle; what we find may actually surprise us and bring us to a better understanding!!
Brand is a faker; he prepared his topic without comprehension- its written all over his bald face; always has been since he couldn't make it until he re-marketed himself as a ridiculous sex god
I mean he doesnt have as comprehensive a view as Peterson, he's not a doctor, but he is wise in his own way. I thought it was awesome to see Peterson talk to someone who more like me in terms of knowledge.
if you understand that, then youll understand this... the left and the right are mostly the same... the differences are present in the extremes... much the same as the rest of the testing. as such, our ideas and ideology are similar but the differences are present in the views of how we can build our society to the height that it can come to. if we are able to understand that... then we are on to something.i feel that we are on our way thanks to work from both of these two gentlemen... i love you both Brand, Dr. Peterson. you both are awesome.
I believe this back and forth is an attempt to lead thru example
barryh13 this is the definition of free speech
Russell thinks SO fast that it is really impressive to me that he is so sane- that he has a lot of clarity and is so positively oriented. When you have such an abundance of mental energy and capability it takes a lot of work and vigilance to keep your mind guided down lanes that serve you and those around you. So I commend you for that Russell :) cheers mate
That may be a reason why he chose to sedate himself for so many years- until it nearly killed him. He’s on fire now, but he’s channeling all that furious energy into something good, something we can all benefit from!
You see he had to channel the energy positively in order to let life in
Russel never reads comments
He's either spouting th obvious or gibberish. Read this and learn what Jordan Peterson is all about: www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve
I think it's helped him to get into meditation and self reflection, which can be great help to a fast moving mind. His turn around is very impressive
The difference with this interview is that Mr. Brand appears to have actually read and watched Peterson in preparation for this. Well done, Russell.
Very true gained a lot of respect for russell in this one.
Great interview. Russel was very formidable up against the brilliant Jordan Peterson.
Yeah, I gotta give him some props.
Wow, I really really like Russell brand now. A lot of his viewpoints are so well thought through, even if I don't agree with him, I agree with his way of thinking.
Severely underrated comment right here. THIS is what we need to focus on. Way of thinking. We'll never agree on all the things (nor should we, as unity is a fast track to tyranny), but a more intelligent, FAIR, respectful _way of thinking_ is something we need to focus on. We have a loooooooong way to go in that respect, but it's critical.
Maybe you have the same type of thinking. Maybe the environment shaped the both of you different. Such as different viewpoints, other people in your surrounding, maybe believe or non believe.
"Tyranny is the deliberate removel of nuance!! " 🤓💥🙌🏻
Russell, you did a terrific job in this interview. In my opinion this is the best public conversation so far that Jordan Peterson has had with a person on the left like yourself. You did something important here that you can feel proud of.
Hell yeah this was great. Much better than the Sam Harris interview, in my view.
Couldn’t have been said better!
well said.
Dionysus - I feel like sam is not very good at talking to people who disagree with him. I think he often takes is view point for granted instead of going with the ebb and flow of the conversation. I agree this podcast was much better.
Daniel Cobar the issue is that Peterson uses ideas, Harris uses facts.
the problem is that if the person on the other side of Harris doesn't know the facts, or accept them for the sake of Sams argument, it's frustrating and pointless for him to continue.
an example would be debating Islam assumes you be at the very least read the Quran, but Russel hasn't, and won't accept Sams understanding of it - so it's hard to continue the conversation entirely built on t e foundation of the understanding of the factual material.
since Peterson focuses on the ideas/philosophy, he can simply fill you in on the punch line on the spot. had he had to argue against Islam, it would have been just as frustrating
I feel incredibly humbled by the fact that Russell and Dr Peterson got together and shared their thoughts and feelings on various topics. This was one of the deepest, most enlightened discussions I’ve seen on YT. I will encourage everyone to watch this video!
Thanks you both!
Both Russell and Jordan Peterson are enjoying the conversation immensely. Very intellectually satisfying and, as always with JP, enlightening. Thank you!
jesus jones
Interesting. How exactly does Jordan Peterson represent a ME ME ME ME perspective? His professional and moral mission in life seems to be helping others evolve, so it's a bit difficult to see. How does a "satanic luciferian" decide to create a series of lectures dedicated to interpreting the Bible is also beyond me.
I don't worship anyone. I just asked why you would think he is self-centered when all he does online is try to help others.
But as you admit, in a roundabout way, that you're unable to tell me what the problem is, then whatever.
You send me a link to a video of Tsarion bitching about Peterson not coming on to his podcast? What does that have to do with anything?
Well it was more of a therapy session that Brand I strongly suspect craved. YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT MANY DRUGS AND EXPECT YOUR PSYCHIC TO BE HEALTHY
One must focus on themselves, go internally & help themselves before being capable of helping others.
jesus jones - Oh, that.
Nothing more refreshing than having the ability to tap into a dialouge between two profound and open-minded individuals. 🙏🏼
Yes, it’s such a refreshing pause in the chaos & resentment of the world today. Profoundly exquisite. 🙌🏽
Jordan Peterson open minded??? On what planet
@@Hili24pur Earth
@@Kragh50 ^
Scrolled through a lot of the comments expecting left v right arguments but haven't seen any of that (maybe I didn't scroll far enough?). Happy to see this sort of conversation happening. Perhaps it's a sign of times changing and open discussion between opposing opinions instead of slandering will become the next place we get to. Good stuff.
D Cognit Jesus I feel horrible!! All you guys getting all philosophical and I just got done making fun of Russel's Man Bun.
Since I was a teenager I always find it obvious that there are truth on both sides - and even most religions I know - but also limits, which are not always easy to define, especially when conflicts oppose persons with different views.
There is still hope!
Jordan and Russel are actually pretty similar in some ways. Both extremely creative, curious, empathetic and in many ways spiritual men.
Hej Yeah they seem like they'd make great friends, it really surprised me. With any luck we'll see them chat again.
This is what two intelligent people discussing their worldviews should look like!
A video every politician and interviewee should watch! No overpowering and cross speaking, absolutely interesting to watch!
In politics, shit floats.
@@skiaddict08 Maybe thats apart of the problem? We should take some responsibility for the media and politicians and hold them accountable.
Right? Two people curious, listening, respectful .... would we have patience for politicians discussing issues this way? Are we conditioned by media to listen only to sound bites? Or is media just responding to our short attention span? Either way, I’d rather live in a world where different perspectives are discussed and learned from...not necessarily a resolution where one side must win
I have never seen Dr. JP laugh so much in a single interview. I love it
You should watch the one with Theo Von, it's not as deep but Theo has some solid jokes
@@ollehammarberg8791 squirrels drawing a pentagram
Except with Crowder
True! What a beautiful exchange of good will and respect resulting in JBP at his best ❤️
This is some high high level stuff man. Finally someone matches Dr Peterson's intelligence and humility. Learned a lot, thank you
Humility? Now, that’s a word I wouldn’t ever think to put in the same sentence with Jordan Peterson. Interesting.
Did you mean humanitarian not humilitarian?
I like your comment I think that both Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand have great vocabulary which describes their issues perfectly it is so amazing to listen to the two Converse and you nailed it with your comment about intelligent and humility along with along with a humanitarian spirit
@@jogo5732 no offense though, why do you think he's not humble? As he comes across very humble to me. Because he always thinks how to word his words correctly
have you seen lex fridman interview him?? Epic conversation
Really nice to hear someone challenge JP strongly but in a respectful and intelligent way.
@Daniel Sherwood oh, I agree with you. You are spot-on. That's why I don't think he challenged Peterson so much as interviewed him. There really wasn't much disagreement between them which is fine and right. They're generally isn't between open-minded thoughtful people.
But every so often brand would go to his standard go to socialist class struggle rhetoric, because he tends to just see everything through a typical Left lens about power and hierarchy and compassion, which is fine but as Peterson points out is not all that useful for solving problems. It's just a starting point.
But when he pulls out his rhetoric which I have heard from him in many different settings that usually goes unchallenged, brand I mean, Peterson gently says well no, not really, and then explains the fault in his logic, and brand wisely gets excited at looking at the situation Beyond his standard rhetoric and ends up having a very interesting exciting conversation.
But I think he learned a lot more from this than Peterson, although I think Peterson was listening open-mindedly and the two of them together went to places neither of them would go alone.
at least that's how I see the conversation.
Overall , an outstanding conversation. I'm sure we can both agree on that
It is the only time I have seen him actually challenged but it needs more.
I've watched this several times and it's one of the best interviews I've ever watched. The interaction between the two minds is amazing. The amount of information is explosive. I felt both found themselves intrigued with each other and eventually found more commonality than difference . I really think they could be great friends , even more so by challenging each others perspectives. Bravo
Russell is clever
My sentiments exactly. Well put mate.
It’s fascinating to see how he changed his thinking over time, but even during the interview. I am slowly becoming a big fan of his.
The more conversational interviews I see with JP the more I get the sense he's quietly leading the conversation and treating it as a therapy session, bringing clarity to clouded minds. Great video.
It's interesting how Jordan will first repeat back to the interviewer in condensed form what they said and then he gives his reply.
Definitely agree with this.
Very true. I meant leading in that he's always aware of where the conversation is going and would rarely be surprised. I think once he has a sense of a person he make certain assumption based on their personality.
There's an element of that. But also, it's apparent he's always trying to reconsider his own points as he listens and responds.
Well said. My senses are telling me the same.
I love how the conversation bounces all over the place and explores so many areas. It just goes to show that long format podcasts are better than traditional media sound bites.
omg he mentioned and praised a very well known Romanian author Mircea Eliade
He is very respected in our country, one of the best intellectuals of Romania.
So cool! Thanks Jordan!
Laka Roxana i think he mentioned Cioran too in a podcast.
Aerith Rin great! Good to know
Just goes to show that Dr. Peterson really, truly knows his stuff, and should be taken seriously. Those that dismiss him never take on his arguments, only straw-man him, and label hims with SJW terms.
Yas, yas, yas, yas, yaaaas!!! ^^
indeed. I have the History of Religions back home and it is amazing.
This video gives me hope that there are people searching for truth, goodness, and self-improvement. Thank you for the civility of the discussion, the depth of the conversation, and the willingness to challenge the audiences of both individuals. We need more of this type of exchange in our public and private lives. GREAT JOB!!!
how? Peterson is in it, so all truth and self improvement has ben cast aside for dogma, sadism and love of rape.
"The conservatives promote the useful end of the distribution, and the liberals promote the generous end. And those things need to be brought together".
Massively underrated statement, I believe there is a lot to unpack there.
Absolutely. There is much utility to both ends of the political spectrum, which stems from our individual, psychological tendencies, and I feel that a lot of people tend to demonize the side which they are not on. Of course, they tend to demonize the far end of the opposite side, which is understandable, but I think most people aren’t on the far ends.
I wrote that exact same statement on a notepad when I heard it. It blew my mind, and describes our political system so well.
The likely reason that statement is so widely underrated is because without evidentiary context it is too complicated an assertion of Truth for most people to understand on it's own.
@@Jamyn1996 Absolutely. And what's more: for what I personally see, it's becoming more and more common to demonize even not the far end. The simple fact that they are on the other side, tends more and more to be enough. It's becoming less and less a dialogue, and more and more like a stadium, where you cheer up for your 'team' and insult the ones that cheer for the 'other' team
I missed this statement’s gravity the first time I listened to the conversation. Glad I came back for another round.
Russel, thanks for this. The genuine communication, the attempt at understanding by both interviewer and interviewee was therapeutic. Just seeing two people actually listening to each other felt like a weight coming off of my shoulders. I desperately wish all news media could step towards how you handled this interview. As a conservative, I think I learned something about myself. I've had so many conversations devolve into arguments that it's changed the way I look at people. I get so frustrated by how news media has become an attempt to be witty and out maneuver instead of a sharing of facts and ideas. I think I've become somewhat like what I hate in that. If you've been struggling with how to do the most good Russel, all I can say is that this interview helped me, continue being an example of good communication.
This is what we need more of. Brand, who is left leaning dude willing to bring in people from the opposite side of the spectrum to sit and chat things out in a restrained and insightful manner. Left and right (granted Peterson is not heavily right but he is a bit more than Brand i think) can disagree in a manner that is actually healthy. The recent polarisation has descended into noise.
Pretty much the whole world is to the right of Brand, apart from that small select cabal of power-fiends that control so many of our institutions now.
Peterson is slightly left leaning I would say. Though I have noticed he doesn't critique the right that much, I suspect because he specialises in warning against communist and radical left beliefs.
Yes but i like the fact he is actually willing to engage in a chat with people like Peterson and Harris instead of taking the recent left wing approach of name calling and pigeon holing.
I think he's more critical of the left because that is the way the world, humans are heading. And for the reason its destructive.
I think he would prefer the middle.
multipleman78 wouldn't call Peterson typically right wing, says socialism is needed as a counter balance to capitalism
Although I wholeheartedly agree with the content they are covering, I am more fascinated by and supportive of their style of communication. They are almost channeling.
There was indeed natural synergy between these two. Enlightening to say the least...
JG Alegria a great example and musicians make mistakes when playing live but it’s more about recovering from that live toe stub and making it work with the audience. The right mixture of working together and understanding and focusing on the important bits and work on the mistakes but don’t let them fuck with you.
This was a great interview with Jordan Peterson, I liked Russells interview style and he seems to be one of the only interviewers who actually listened to what Jordan was saying. He also didn't try to push a narrative. Well done Russell.
Jordon Peterson finally put into words what I didn’t know how to express…that Im high on openness and a person who desires conversations that lean towards discovery. I rarely find that in people, and it explains why I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you two! You should do more videos together!
This was such a fantastic conversation! A REAL conversation! My respect for you both has gone up a notch. Well done.
Tilveran , and all who feel this way. Welcome. I've been listening to JBP for nearly a year. His cruel message of responsibility is unparalleled from anything that I have exposed to. Truly, if each of us would just take up our own responsibility. Instead of falling behind what are in the end just excuses not to. This spiral into self destruction. Please clean your room.
brand soft-balled him, might have just as well tossed his salad.
jthadcast - in what way?
jthadcast Brand did exactly what he should do. Have a civil conversation with someone you think you disagree with. If you want to know what someone thinks ask them, then listen. If you listen you find Peterson not to be as he's portrayed.
Dom C in the way he doesn't challenge his assertions of facts, from which he defends those preconceptions. listen to his talk with Sam Harris and i dare you to not pull your hair out after an hour. (e.g. guilt and shame are good, facing them (jung's -young's- shadow) allows an individual to grow, to recognize their true self and achieve compassion for self and others. to avoid these is to suppress the foundation of growth.)
askani79705, Brand isn't a journalist and he isn't interviewing pekerson. this is a discussion and conversation of opposing views on reality. jp is the conservative poster child for apathy in the face of economic/social dysfunction driving the 6th mass extinction ... including homo sapiens.
I'm a huge fan of Peterson and typically didn't like Russel Brand. I always kinda considered him a snooty "holier than thou" celebrity type that hated capitalism while ironically benefiting from it. However I must say after watching this interview I now have a lot of respect for Russel Brand. I can see that he's a wholesome soul with a genuine curiosity and I wish him the best with his podcast 🙏
One can 'benefit' and be against something. Good example is Bertrand Russell. Some leftists also argue that the capitalist also suffer under capitalism, but don't realise it.
Such a dumb and tired argument - "I see you have a problem with capitalism but benefit from it...interesting...I am very smart".
efcdk92 It's very stupid. Oh I see you're against wage slavery yet you work and buy products. Interesting.
As leftists we do have the obligation to support richer people doing the right thing though and not call them names. But Russell is far from elite level finncially.
I think he's 95th percentile in trait openness but without a solid foundation in first principles so he's susceptible to bullshit ideas, especially since he thinks wide but shallow.
Russell is intelligent enough to get his ego out of the way which allows him to learn and grow. He's somewhat stuck in the lefty narrative but he's not dogmatic with it, as we see in this interview. Someone with the depth of JP can bring the best out of Russell because he didn't agitate his rebellious side. Credit to both.
It's harder to connect with our Kids when they're through their "teens" years, but here I am watching my Favorite Professor and mentor Dr. Peterson with my 16 year old daughter which adores Russell, The Universe aligned itself over my Home today Lol...!!!
I had some sympathy for both of them... and enjoyed the good talk. Maybe a bit complicated for a 16 yo teen, though ?
Smart Cat Collar Project complicated for a 16 year old!? I'm 27 and felt completely out of my depth of understanding most of what they were talking about lol
good for you and your relationship
I discovered Jung less than 2 years ago, and I'm much older than you, so... maybe don't feel bad about it !
It’s clear that russell is much more than the eccentric characters he often plays.
I was just thinking the same thing.
Completely agree. Having watched a number of his videos it's clear that he is both very intellectual and spiritual. He has layers like an onion.
@@dion6146 and you can watch him become more grounded and less political over time. Like he can simultaneously roast rush limbaugh and have Jordan Peterson on no problem
And far more sensitive, compassionate, intelligent.
I mean, what characters are you referring to? From any of his recent films?
My view on Russell Brand has taken a 90 degree turn. I hope these two can meet again and have another astounding conversation such as this one. Really, one of the best JP interviews I’ve seen.
I strongly suspect that anyone with a deeply negative, aggressive or bitter stance towards either Russell or Jordan has either not sufficiently listened to their opinions and thoughts over the years or has not allowed themselves to openly consider them. Both, of course, have their primary positions, motivations and fetishes but here they eloquently and intelligently debate and discuss sensitive but necessary topics. I would suggest tempering the lazy and emotive ad hominem attacks and genuinely focusing on the content. An excellent podcast.
You my friend are too reasonable for a TH-cam comment board.
intellectual pygmy... that's a new one. I like it.
Do you really really strongly suspect, or just strongly suspect
Only problem with Russel is he is in bed with the people he says to oppose. Marxist through and through
"Indeed".. (in the voice of Teal'c)
Easily the best interview with Jordan Peterson I've seen as for once he's able to talk without being attacked and properly convey his opinion.
The Rubin Report
@@muz201 Dave Rubin does not have enough knowledge or competence to counter argue JP.
Watch Peterson and Zizek or the Sam Harris Jordan Peterson series those are awesome
@@joshuaharris7869 do you mean the live debate with Sam Harris? I've seen that but not the other one with Zizek
Man, I am truly honored to have been able to act as a 'fly-on-the-wall' for this amazing interaction between two GIANTS in our modern times. I admire, respect, & appreciate you both for what you do and sharing it with us so freely. Thank you, you help more people in so many ways that you will never be aware of.
Of all the videos and interviews of Dr. Peterson I've seen to date, Jordan seems the most relaxed, engaged, humorous, and candid. This was wonderful to witness as Jordan laughed out loud and expressed best his own 'high openness'. Likewise, Russell, you have delightfully revealed far more understanding and insight into complex and intellectual concepts than I would have otherwise realized or given you credit. I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation and will most likely have to watch it a few more times to fully grasp all the concepts and applications that were presented and proving so relevant today. As always, balanced and informative. Russell, you did a fine job with your line and quality of questions and comments~
My exposure to Jordan the past six months, like so many others that have been experiencing, has been a blessing far beyond the realm of any other single individual in my personal quest to seek an understanding of our rapidly changing sociological, and personal environment. Thank you, both Russell for compiling and offering this interview to the world and Jordan for continuing to share your lifelong and insightful study of humanity and applications thereof...
because he is a psychologist and already assessed Brand's need for a father figure. he is offering him nurture:) on top of facts:)
Jordan Peterson has a good sense of humor 💙😍watch Joe’s podcast
To think, it may really be clinical psychology that we all need came out of nowhere for me too, as i languished. He is a much needed ray of light.
I was holding my breath wondering if JP would repeat an earlier sentiment about being "scared of saying something wrong", and how RB would respond.
You underestimated Russell because you bought into the slander the "skeptic" community threw at him. You like many others on the internet refuse to think for yourself. You think tribally, you believe that just because someone has socialist ideals it means that they are either unintelligent or malevolent. You people are pathetic.
He is the true journalist in this interview he wants to get to know whats peterson is all about instead of painting him on a wall and then atacking that wall regardless of the picture even matches the person and over the course of the interview he enjoys the journey that at the root level theyre both on the road to something profound in their own way
Brand does a really good job in this interview. Peterson was a delight to listen to. Really enjoyed it.
The most intelligent conversation I've heard in a long time. Feels like the collective consciousness just expanded its reach from this meeting.
For sure
Nice
Just watched this interview for the first time and out of hundreds of interviews I’ve seen of Dr. Peterson this is hands-down, the best. So much ground covered in so many great directions because of the mind blowing depth of the questions. Thank you.
This is how the interview on Channel 4 should have gone, Russell might not agree with everything but he is inquisitive and keeps the conversation going and its been very entertaining, only about 35 min in so far but loving it!
txmyrmidon The hysterical argumentative female journalist thing is getting old.
X YZ and? Doesn't make it invalid...plus I added comments about this interview specifically it was entertaining to see how these two think.
Russell
That was a brilliant interview - even when you disagreed you didn’t disconnect
You didn’t push an agenda
You where fantastic
Any chance you pick up a job a news 4😜
Talk about damning with faint praise.
Well done, Russel. You managed to resist being an ass-hat for over an hour.
The only reason, the ONLY reason Russell Brand condescended to do this interview is because right now, Jordan Peterson is in the eye of the media, and he wants a piece of the limelight. He would not have been remotely interested in talking to Jordan Peterson a year or two years ago.
I most certainly heard an agenda in Russell's questions, and JP responded to that agenda in each one the points they discussed. Both were friendly and respectful, and It made for a good discussion.
achapa799 Russell rarely has the foresight to shut up and learn something from anyone on the other side of politics. He's always too busy virtue signalling and talking over people smarter than himself. This interview is a rare performance.
achapa799 if u want a great interviewer check out Dave Rubin ... far more accomplished.
This works really well. And i think it does so because 1. They are coming from different viewpoints 2. They have great respect for one another. Russell Brand has clearly been doing his homework, and it makes this one of the best discussions ever to take place on social media. Kudos to both men
Tim Hill "he has clearly been doing his homework".........Right! I think too often people don't do their homework which can be seen in the C4 video and, within society at large......Or, to go a little further, they think they have done their homework and then close their mind to new ideas/thoughts.
If you're not evolving you might as well be going backwards imo.
I don't think it's closing their minds to new ideas/thoughts that's really the issue in most cases so much as most of the time people's knowledge of the subjects they discuss with him are based on appeals to authority in which case it's perfectly valid to reason that just because they're not aware of the opposing argument doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The main problem is that too many of the people who are aware of the opposing science have just assumed Peterson is an alt-right activist and not worth talking to. I really hope videos like this will gradually change their minds because I'm tired of listening to both(all) sides complain about how nobody who disagrees with them is willing to talk to them. At least with this conversation it's plainly clear that neither of them are being intentionally inflammatory and then whining about how all the people they just insulted don't want to talk to them.
This was the most intellectually beneficial interview I’ve seen in years.
The fascinating thing about this conversation to me is that I think Russell and Peterson have both been misjudged by the left and the right. Most conservatives talk about Russel like he is some hippy dippy twit, and he clearly is not. I enjoy listening to both of the men speak and despite not agreeing with everything either of them says, I get great value from listening to them.
Most of the people regardless of their political position are not critical thinker. There are reasonable arguement from both sides, only a difference of perception. But majority don't manage to judge objectively.
Well put. I can't stand a lot of Brand's nonsense, but I would never deny the fact that he has a sharp, curious mind.
Groundbreak Studios I think they are more mis-labeled rather than mis-judged. Neither of these men have anything to offer the establishment that would help further their respective political agendas. They are intentionally mis-labeled as such, not mistakenly mis-judged. Not trying to split hairs here, just my 2 cents.
That's so important to listen to people even if you dont agree with everything they say or do, because you can still learn from them, like both of these two people.
Too many people hear one bad thing and then disregard all their other ideas.
You cant agree with everything some says.
Russell finds people interesting nothing to do with misjudgment. Ironic that as both character's have had media fake news backfire
I think Mr. Brand's ideas have their problems/differences from me, but I will say this is one of the best Jordan Peterson interviews of "opposing views" I have seen yet. Well done, Mr. Brand...
It’s literally his only content worth watching so far.
I didn't sense any opposition, quite the opposite. Sure, they have evolved differences of viewpoint, but there is no opposition here. I strongly sense they came to this each with enormous respect for the other's work, and a great deal of kinship was expressed in this conversation.
russell clearly is prodding JBP for corrections to learn more about himself, hes wording it in a manor of opposition to keep the conversation being a conversation, theres a difference between opposition and seeking of correction by demonstrating the ways in which your currently internalized belief structure is in conflict with these new ideas. JBP always presents opposing information to his own points so he can correct them, doesn't mean hes in opposition with himself when he does that.
Ok, I wasn't going to bother reply to this comment but now everyone seems to be misreading my comment because of it... I'm saying "opposing" in quotes because they DO have different beliefs on a variety of different topics but unlike other interviewers Russell Brand wasn't trying to push an agenda... which made this enjoyable to watch
I kinda figured this. Thanks for affirming.
Dr. Peterson on personal responsibility: "Don't recommend any changes that you would not suffer for if they failed." That is profound af.
agree with you, but it’s merely an extension of Kant’s categorical imperative though
AF? Dan is the type of SJW Feminist that smokes weed and says 'unpack' and 'problematic'.
In other words, be careful what you wish for.
Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson are an amazing duet. Rarely do you encounter a podcast with such absolute clarity. It’s an absolute privilege that such elucidating discussion is freely available. My personal task is to be better informed about the biblical and psychological references they are making.
I respect Russell's ability to manage his disagreement.
he is ok after he shoots up.
Dude has been sober for years
Sarah, poor sweet dumb Sarah ...
This was SUCH a treat to watch - two highly insightful, sincere people picking each other's brains and letting us watch - I'll be back for repeats, that's for sure!
Im actually very impressed by Russells behavior in this one. Thats what I call a fantastic podcast!
His behaviour was facilitated by Peterson
Russell is far from a simple minded oaf. He acts dumb but he is actually very clever. Look at how he manipulates interviewers when he is on their show. He cracked Hollywood and banged Katy Perry. Enough said.
Ezno Snopes: _"He acts dumb"_
Do you have an example of what you are talking about?
I'd say the opposite. He's of average intelligence but larps as an intellectual.
"banged Katy Perry, enough said" ...what is that supposed to be proof of? Meh.
I'd say he has done much better and much smarter things since.
This is blowing my mind. I don’t have words to describe how fascinated I am listening to this.
This is one of the greatest podcasts ever recorded. A meeting of two powerful minds committed to understanding each other. Beautiful.
I can't think of many 1.5hr conversation between two people that I would want to watch multiple times. But I'm definitely going to watch this again.
Like watching a beautiful dance of ideas
@@MarkMyerson If you ever get the chance, if you haven'y already, check out the Joe Rogen and Maynard James Keenan. It's one of the few I had to hear multiple times.
I cannot say that I am a huge fan of Russells, but massive, MASSIVE props for having Jordan on. We're making some progress.
Mikkel Larsen being a fan is antihuman. fuck the posing arse.
words live as we do. characters grow again and again eternally. affected brands can only be sold
This serves to debunk the labels of 'right wing firebrand' for Mr Peterson, who to me is simply a liberal conservative, a practical thinking man-Russell has certainly come a long way, i enjoyed this exchange.
these days all it takes is a strong defense of free speech to be labeled controversial.
No such thing as a liberal conservative.
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Yes there is. It's a person who wants to conserve classical liberal principles.
Lil Dragon did you just call Jordan peterson a liberalist?
Jordan Peterson would describe himself as a classic British liberal lefty. Anyone right of the 'left pole' is going to be describe as right.
Anyone else get chills, hearing this conversation....? I wish I could talk this deeply with someone...
It's rare
I could take another 8 hours of this.
A couple of months ago, I thought "what would Peterson and Brand think of each other?" But then I thought that their worlds are too far apart for them to make contact.
Thank God for the internet!
They both have a great respect and value for truth. They come at it from different ends of the spectrum. But both admit their leanings and biases, and generally want to understand the other side.
Brand deserves a massive amount of credit, because he is so contrary to a popular Leftist, where they refuse to talk to Peterson. He's the first real pseudo-Left person I've seen engage him in a conversation.
They are both searching to make humanity better for all by searching for truth.
See, I really love what Jordan Peterson is doing in these conversations, and he’s inspiring people as a “father figure.” People talk about him almost engaging in therapy, but from my understanding of what he does... I could offer endless praise!
But so, where this is a truly incredibly difficult thing to do is when you only have yourself to answer for, and you’ve isolated yourself in misery, and you’re in the middle of suffering for your actions.
And I’ll give you a solution that takes real *determination and *discernment, during these times of utter distress.
Whatever the conflict is, the inadequacy, the wallowing futility, BRING these things to their Ultimate *Extreme. Begin a bit of brainstorming to *Tell yourself a *Story of wild exaggeration, developing it into a *Comedy with a happy ending.
Say, you’re currently stuck at the very point of no return, and you simply can’t will yourself out of the depths... all you need to do is introduce to yourself the possibility of a leap of faith, to hypothetically drop off of the point of no return to the place you fear the most and attain Real, True, Clarity.
What Jordan Peterson is doing, and in ironically many more words than I can personally manage, is guiding the conversation to very distinguishable Moments of Clarity and unquestionable Truth.
He does NOT have any patience for Deception and self-sabotage. Cathy Newman is an example of him keeping it on such a respectable level that she believes it went well, while he got exactly what he wanted which was those moments of True Clarity (“Ha, Gotcha”) where he felt like he was actually speaking to the real person.
I think the fact so many fans of Peterson seem to be surprised that Russel can hold his own in this conversation illustrates the way people too easily misunderstand Russel which is likely due to a widespread bias against the political standpoint he represents. But cool people are seeing him in a new light
Dorian Rathmanner completely agree with you .... the judgment of R Brand was shocking ... however, I am pleased to see people open up and are able to see him for the intelligent , open minded soul he is ...
I strongly agree with you Dorian. Well said.
I think people are just surprised that anyone outside the immediate academic community can keep up with Peterson and his high level of intelligence and eloquence.
He's interviewed people like Peterson for years, Americans only see Brand on Jimmy Fallon and whatnot
I can see that Russel is far from bad in rhetorics, but that even people like Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols) are complaining about his "revolution" is pretty alarming to me. ---> look it up at youtube: th-cam.com/video/pY6S2TzytVY/w-d-xo.html
I'm a woman and a HUGE fan of Jordan Peterson. Thank you for this great interview! The conversation was thoroughly interesting and engaging.
is being a woman relevant?
Peterson keeps being asked to comment about the fact that most of his audience is male. And some imply that women only listen to find flaws in his arguments, or they only go to his lectures to find boyfriends. There's this push to paint him as only interesting to frustrated male nationalists. I'm just wanting to help point out that in fact there are women who find Jordan Peterson's material valuable, compelling, fascinating, wonderful, motivating and life-changing, too. :D
Hey Black Knight. I'm actually on your side. I'm against feminism in it's current form as well. I think women in muslim nations need some feminism so they can do things like not get legally raped, drive a car, leave the house without a male family-member, etc. But I agree with you 100% that this idea of having "equal representation" of women in stem, military, politics, investment banking, etc, is ridiculous and harmful. :)
And what a woman too!! 🔥🔥
Lol I love the idea that people would go to his talks to find boyfriends.
'Go on unpack that a bit'...Love it from Brand. Fascinating discussion
One of the most interesting programs I've seen with either of these two individuals. It's so rare that you see a program that is not interviewer and interviewee. This was just two very interesting, thoughtful people having a conversation, honestly trying to understand each other in both their similarities and their differences. Bravo!
See, I really love what Jordan Peterson is doing in these conversations, and he’s inspiring people as a “father figure.” People talk about him almost engaging in therapy, but from my understanding of what he does I could offer endless praise!
But so, where this is a truly incredibly difficult thing to do is when you only have yourself to answer for, and you’ve isolated yourself in misery, and you’re in the middle of suffering for your actions.
And I’ll give you a solution that takes real *determination and *discernment, during these times of utter distress.
Whatever the conflict is, the inadequacy, the wallowing futility, BRING these things to their Ultimate *Extreme. Begin a bit of brainstorming to *Tell yourself a *Story of wild exaggeration, developing it into a *Comedy with a happy ending.
Say, you’re currently stuck at the very point of no return, and you simply can’t will yourself out of the depths... all you need to do is introduce to yourself the possibility of a leap of faith, to hypothetically drop off of the point of no return to the place you fear the most and attain Real, True, Clarity.
What Jordan Peterson is doing, and in ironically many more words than I can personally manage, is guiding the conversation to very distinguishable Moments of Clarity and unquestionable Truth.
He does NOT have any patience for Deception and self-sabotage. Cathy Newman is an example of him keeping it on such a respectable level that she believes it went well, while he got exactly what he wanted which was those moments of True Clarity (“Ha, Gotcha”) where he felt like he was actually speaking to the real person.
Tristan Dizzo Well said, thank you.
While I admire and agree with the message that is Jordan B.Peterson's expression of truth, I am vexed by his habitual use of needlessly inaccurate terminology.
35:52"So what Jung thought-His idea was something like this, that:
At the beginning of time, people were unconscious, and that consciousness emerged with all of it's catastrophes. Consciousness of death for example.
And, one way out of the burden of consciousness was to return to unconsciousness! You can do that with alcohol, you can do that by being dependent, you can do that by failing to grow up."-An inattentive or low-IQ individual would take this at face value, but let me elucidate in reiteration, his actual meaning:
"At the beginning of time, people were *oblivious,* and that *awareness* emerged with all of it's catastrophes of perception, responsibility and blame. *Awareness* of death for example.
One way out of the burden of *awareness* was to return to *obliviousness!* You can do that with alcohol, you can do that by being dependent, you can do that by failing to grow up."
*Unconsciousness* is the state of sleep, oblivious people are indeed asleep to that which they are oblivious, but they are *awake* thus not "unconscious." Ignorant, yes, unconscious, NO!
Jordan B. Peterson's habitual use of context to shift the meaning of "unconsciousness" into a synonym for "obliviousness," and "consciousness" for "awareness," is archaic and irrationally imprecise in the context of explicitly expressing the subtle nuances within the mechanism of psychology. It makes the task of comprehension into one of an IQ test, rather than having his expression be the elucidation that it was intended to be.
This linguistic folly has even made its way into the dictionary as if "consciousness" were a synonym for "awareness," when in fact *awareness is actually no synonym for consciousness,* but *a component of it, the other component being attention.* Yes, consciousness expands and contracts in relation to the flow of attention and awareness. Attentiveness culminates awareness and awareness leverages further attentiveness and all in relation to the duration of exerted attention in any given situation. This does not merit the folly of implying that "awareness is all there is to consciousness," that "the fuller psyche is not consciousness," as implied by the way he uses the term "unconsciousness."
Unconsciousness is only sleep, it is not your *subconsciousness,* which is the lower and inner layers of consciousness in the total sphere of your whole consciousness.
Jordan has the unfortunate habit of falsely equating the the hidden depths of consciousness as if they were disassociated from the surface layers within which one experiences the wakefulness that is ambiguously refereed to as "consciousness-to the exclusion of the subconscious."
This is no gripe of empty sophistry but authentic and serious points of discernment that need to be addressed by Jordan B. Peterson's volitional attention and awareness, the surface layers of his consciousness, which then transmit to the subconscious layers the correction as it will make sense to him.
36:14"You refuse the burden of consciousness(awareness) by becoming unconscious(oblivious) again. But there's another way for it, which is to become even(his spirit fires up as he takes on an expression that resembles the expressiveness of Bruce Lee) more conscious.
So the Idea would be, a little bit of consciousness(awareness) is like an illness but if you can expand that consciousness upwards enough, then it's stum-something-it starts to become something that-it's-ow that is it's own cure."
This notion, the path of progressive character development, that's what Bruce Lee was about. It's also the appeal in good stories and a key driver in role playing video games. It's a progressive expansion into the unknown, with doubt and fear abated by a sense of certainty that's building up from the cyclic yet exponential growth of your power to effect change.
While I admire and agree with the message that is Jordan B.Peterson's expression of truth, I am vexed by his habitual use of needlessly inaccurate terminology.
Russel's reaction around minute 35 when Peterson tells him that Jung wrote a book about the story of Job is so genuine and great. You can tell he didn't know about the book and is extremely excited to look into it.
I am an avid fan of Jordan Peterson, but this is one of the most satisfying interviews with him I've have seen so far! Loved the depth they got into! Also loved Jordan talking about the 'masculine' being important in women. "The enemies of the masculine in men are also the enemies of the masculine in women". Agree! This is when women take on the role of victim, and men withdraw. In the west we're trying to leave the whole 'yang' out of the universal yin/yang. Gender relations are collapsing with out it and our society will collapse without it.
Boudica Oak please if you get a chance watch what anarchism isn't on TH-cam
The destruction of the family unit is part of the unwritten post modernist ideology. Since gender roles are essential to maintain a successful family unit the destruction of those roles will necessarily destroy the family as consequence. The reason behind this is to create more dependency on the state in the population as a whole. Mass immigration also creates more state dependency through lower wages and high unemployment, higher crime etc.
Femininity has also been bastardized today. Transexuals and feminine or 'flaming' homosexuals are an example of that. The idea that high heels, makeup, incessant beauty routines, gossiping, pretentious ideals are somehow quintessentially 'feminine' comes from media, especially advertising. Then you have the opposite on a soap box claiming feminine power is actually being masculine. When really through time, go back further and the natural feminine power has nothing to do with these things and is incredibly deeper, more innate and quite frankly very needed in a well balanced society. But there has been a war on true femininity for decades now, and the pendulum has swung in so many ways to attack and reform what womanhood is. Women really are the easiest targets in this matter. It's ridiculous and it has truly twisted women up in so many ways. And when you twist women up, the men follow and attempt to make sense of it all and change themselves accordingly or become extremely bitter going off in the opposite direction and you're left with this insanely unhappy and confused society. I'm not saying this is the only contributor, but it is certainly one.
I'm a woman and I have found Petersons work very valuable to me and my family. To get this find on information on utube is a treasure. Thank you Gentlemen. I also enjoy Russle Brand. Thank you both for the time and compassion for humanity.
Hey Russell. Thanks for having Jordan on. I’m a mother and he’s really helped me to stop and think about how I’m interacting with my son. He’s a visionary.
Thank you on behalf of the male sex for trying to raise him with his masculinity intact. As you know, we're in trouble. I love both of these speakers deeply and strive to be my own version of them.
Alexander Colon lol, if your masculinity is so easy to take from you, did you deserve or own it to begin with?
@@MillaloveHandmade It cannot be taken from us, but it is corruptible. In each person at birth are seeds of who they could be and how they grow depends on how they're nurtured.
Alexander Colon I’d like to know exactly how men are in trouble.
Sarahfetti Well, if you sincerely would, I’ll start with a few points. We as a society don’t even have a clear conception of what manhood is. Gender roles may be constructed and vary widely among cultures, but they’re not made out of thin air. Without a clear conception, there is less of a sense of identity and direction. It’s more difficult to lead a life with conviction and authenticity when we don’t know what to be authentic to. Soul searching is part of the journey anyway, but still.
It’s usually not the intention, but many of us have been taught about manhood in a way that invalidates us. We may integrate the idea that there’s something inherently wrong with being a man. To put it dramatically, that we’re a monster to be tamed and that we will harm others if we don’t suppress our nature. Of course, there are aspects that are to be managed and men have caused harm throughout history, but there’s nothing fundamentally wrong with men that is worthy of shame in itself. The shame this conception can bring leads some of us to deny parts of ourselves to make ourselves harmless. The immediate problem with that is that we lose the healthy implementation of those aspects. There’s truth to the nice guy stereotype here. It’s how some nice guys are born, like maybe me.
We’re still in a sour place when it comes to the treatment of our emotions. There’s still the idea that we can’t be sensitive or cry in public and so on. At least when we do cry as kids, we’re told “Don’t cry” more often. There’s still a sense that sensitive men are less desirable. Yeah, we can say it’s ok on paper, but it’s another matter to not look down on a guy who’s breaking down right in front of us.
There’s an educational achievement gap between males and females (I use the terms here for age neutrality). Women are getting better grades and more degrees. Men may get more mileage out of what they do achieve, but the missed success and learning remains a concern.
Of course, all of this isn’t to the exclusion of women’s issues or anything like that.
This is probably the only discussion Jordan Peterson had enjoyed.
He sure enjoyed his two podcasts at Joe Roegan. Also his interview at the Rubin Report.
@@stefan1924 I'd say he's enjoyed most of the long form discussions he's participated in that have been genuine discussions and not attacks. Even his debate with Sam Harris, an intellectual opponent of his, he cited as an experience that helped him learn and grow his ideas.
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ddandymann that made me look on google for the meanings of words more than anything I’ve seen😂. Was quite something.
JANITOR one of the best!!!!
Well, they are both brilliant, and this talk was refreshing.
YesReneau, just wanted so say I watch your videos :)
Also, I agree. The conversations between Jordan Peterson and Russell Brand are pretty fascinating. It’s also nice to see people discuss things and not completely attack people.
they see the "truth" with different eyes and points of view...
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Patterson is nothing more than a Christian based pseudo psychologist wannabe, he’s not even capable of looking after his own mental health nor bringing up a mentally healthy offspring. He’s just very bitter but very well spoken. You will find that often those who use overly complex words and grammar are actually attempting to make up for something they lack and portray themselves as more intelligent than they actually are. This man is bitter and angry, which is written clearly on his face and demeanour. Sad man spreading lies.
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Absolutely incredible conversation. It's moments like this that will shape a better world. Thank you both for the opportunity to experience it.
I've never previously had much time for Russell Brand, but this interview exemplifies how significantly more researched and intelligible he is than 95% of mainstream media and a hang of a lot of high profile social/political commentators. Still don't much like his comedy, but he has my respect.
I used to really hate Russel, but now I feel like he is attempting to debate people who disagree with him. I like this.
maybe he could start by revisiting small c conservatives like Peter Hitchens and Nigel Farage ... with an apology
Russel loves the wu wu peterson likes to push about religion. peterson is great in other areas, but in this metaphoric truth stuff, he is trying to push. it's nothing but wu wu.
This conversation is the best thing that happened in the history of things. How can old media compete with stuff like this? It can't!
Excellent, I agree ,but best suppose subjective. Look into j.krishnamurti and Dr. David Bohm. Quite fascinating stuff.
My first Russell Brand episode and I must say, By far this is the best Jordan Peterson Interview I’ve experienced. How often do you listen to an interview where both the host and the guest blow your mind at the same time?
Check the Russel Brand TH-cam channel. Might blow your mind.
Although I may not agree with everything Jordan Peterson says, what I admire is that he doesn't simply look at the surface of issues and base his opinions on that, which is what most people do, he studies them in depth and then formulates his opinion.
Yes, and some people hate him for that because if you go deep, like he does, you'll find many flaws in their ideological beliefs.
And what's his ideology?
At least 20% of professors in social sciences and humanities self-identify as marxists. They are probably many more than that. That's the ideology that has caused >80 millions deaths in 20th century. That's the ideology that is creating all those SJW's sheeps who are spreading hate and division wherever they appear. So yeah, dr Peterson is right about social sciences and humanities.
PZ Myers criticized his understanding of both evolution and neuroscience. I can attest that this is really 101 level shit.
The president of the Canadian Bar Association wrote him a letter saying he grossly misunderstood the legal implications of the pronoun bill.
He subscribes to the ‘Cultural Marixsm’ conspiracy theory, whereby the Frankfurt School, post-structuralist deconstruction, and queer theory are seen as deliberate Communist strategy to underpin and destroy the West. The nazis were big fans of this conspiracy theory, thus the triple parenthesis.
Admittedly I'm no expert in philosophy, but during his Sam Harris debate he seemed to have a decidedly postmodern/neo-pragmatist understanding of truth. All in all, his philosophy seems extremely confused, and contradictory. The subreddit r/badphilosophy had to start a new subreddit for him because he was being posted so often.
He posts poorly reasoned critiques of Disney movies, and reliance on red-scare history that most historians are very critical of now a days.
He often presents himself as a STEM empiricist, but if psychology is a soft science, he teaches the softest areas of the subject. If experimental psychologists are skeptical of Freud, then they downright ridicule Jung. The two defiantly have interesting ideas, but by no means is it empirically rigorous. Yet Peterson truly seems to believe it all. It made me appreciate my university more, because we were taught to be skeptical of it all.
Some of his clinical psychology advice seem good, but then again that is his field.
The rest of it is reactionary demagoguery, which is very popular within alt-right, and alt-light circles.
Well only at Jungs level will you be able to understand his work. It is a study of the subconscious and usually only the most individual with a high level of awareness can make sense out of him lol. I do agree with you on the rest but I think his reliance and reasoning critiques is just due to his clinical advice, overly simplifying things fundamentally. But about the conspiracy theory, it does make a lot of sense where the LGBT group and the government are going. With some facts and deep research on them. This is the first time ever in the history of mankind, that's why it's scary. Soon enough, you will see a country for LGBT sjw's trust me if westerners cannot adapt. Why cant westerners be like Thailand maybe and learn to co-exist with one another. Getting into constitutions is begging for seperation.
I follow J Peterson's work. Middle aged, left leaning, female and I'm not alone in my demographic.
Patricia Blue I am female, 38 years old, and I listen to peterson daily.
Ditto!
Patricia Blue same!
I love how focused Russell is during the conversation.
Who knew ??... surprised as well .. thought it might wind up being a complete s. show.. very impressed with both...
Wayne Hiebert same. This is the positive thing of talking to people who you think you may not agree with. Welldone to Russell for inviting him.
Humility is so attractive.
Committed learners are aLWAYS humble because you can't fill a mind full of arrogant opinions.
Thank you ❤️
I didn't expect it at all !
Genuinely - thank you, Russell Brand, for walking firmly in your pursuit of truth. This is something that other figures on the Left lack nowadays.
This is your best podcast yet, and , though I didn't expect it at all, this is the most profound conversation of Jordan Peterson up to date. I listened to it 3 times already, and will certainly return to it later. Greeting from Ukraine!
This was an absolutely brilliant interview and discussion. The beauty here is the contrast between Jordan and Russell. It's a testament to the fact that when people are sincerely open-minded and value truth, knowledge, and respect, it doesn't matter how much you disagree on matters to draw out valuable interaction.
Jordan Peterson, being a successful professor and well-respected thinker, is obviously better educated, but this actually emphasizes how well Russell did: In my view Jordan was particularly engaging and authentically interested in Russell, not to mention comfortable. To be honest, Jordan has the habit to spin things to the narratives he's comfortable with (understandable as he's touring around with interviews and shows all centering around his book and the political controversies he's known for). Here however, is where I've seen him the most human, and where his experience as a clinical psychologist comes out most charmingly.
I haven't seen all of Jordan's videos, with the first time seeing an Under the Skin video, but damn this was great! Again, mad props to Russell.
Jin Lin follow his maps of meaning ... it is life changing
Jin Lin That's right. I was about to say Peterson seems to be not as intense in this interview. They have good chemistry.
Russell, I watched these podcasts in reverse order and I've been doing a bit of binging on your videos while reading RECOVERY... You may never read this but I will just say that you have a very solid brilliance and sobriety serves you well. You have the highest ideals for our future that any of us can hope or aspire to achieve and I feel your urgency in trying to find the way to create it. Just keep lending your special form of wisdom and keep talking to influential thinkers. You are helping to give people an opportunity to remold their minds and think of the possibilities of which each person can contribute. Thank you for many excellent conversations and mental exercises for creating a better future. Be blessed. Namaste BRUDDA...
Was about to say the same thing, also reading recovery right now, i found this guy just precious to our world. And this conversation with J.Peterson just made me feel great inside, like there is still hope for humanity to listen to each other, also love the energy of this guy soul!
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Praying for you Russell - I believe you are absolutely vital and God is on your tail. Love you!
Yes Amelia - me too. He is one provocative truth and goodness seeker !?!? ;)
Oh heavens Russell Brand Is one hell of an interviewer....I need to watch more of his stuff
Im a jerk, i never thought Russell was so deep. There i go judging a book by its cover.
yeah, me too. I'm very glad I watched this
not really, he potrayed himself as a idiote! Now his more himself, instead of a karacter of himself
I read (heard) Russell's book 'revolution' years ago, and I had that same feeling but amplified coz that book is amazing!
Or the Booky Wook for that matter... :-}
Russell acknowledges his flaws now too and he acknowledges his bias, but that doesn’t mean his own arguments are factually infallible and he recognizes that as well. Its his quest for knowledge and perspective that is beautiful and you can clearly tell that this man truly wishes to know why he, himself, and others think the way they do.
I didn’t know one thing about Russell Brand before watching this and I have watched hours of Jordan B Peterson’s conversations with various hosts, this is one of the most enjoyable.
Well now you know EVEN LESS!!😂😂😂😂
Joe rogans Interview was more fluid.it also resonated much better with more clarity and got the viewers engaged passionately.this was bland.russel...lmao
I have listened to all of them. I said one of.
"I had this idea and I wondered if it would hold up to scrutiny, so give this one a thought."
What a thing to say. Words to live up to
A pro-communist and anti postmodernist walk into room... and have civil discussion trying their best to understand each other, like the way it should be.
Russell had a much more facilitative and productive interview style here than in the Sam Harris interview. It would be great to re-interview Sam using this type of approach.
Brand is more of a anarcho-collectivist like Chomsky, Peterson is a religious capitalist
I was expecting a punch line...
Danilo Vega Brand's stance is debatable, but I wouldn't call Peterson a religious capitalist - that title is more fitting for Pat Robertson or Joel Osteen... I don't know what to categorize JP.
ApotheosiZ peterson on many occassions has labeled himself a classic liberal. He doesnt want to overturn free markets, but as far as i can tell hes not against gov assistance to help out the less fortunate when needed.
Long form discussions like this are such a blessing. A genuine discussion between two very different people who actually care about each others opinions even if they disagree
Now this is the conversation I needed. A whimsical and intelligent adventure between two brilliant minds that are only fulfilling their inquisitive natures like two very old dragons coming together after 1000 years and conversating about what they have learned so that they will both benefit from their knowledge and wisdom.
I SO LOVE TO HEAR LOVELY, EXQUISITE, INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION!!! Witty, astute, fluent discussion; moreover intensely focused dialogue IN OPEN PEACE WITH GRACE AND EXUBERANT PARTICIPATION GOING SO DEEP ON MANY LEVELS.......I SERIOUSLY CANNOT TELL YOU BOTH HOW THOROUGHLY I ENJOYED YOUR DISCOURSE!!! INDIVIDUALLY YOU TWO ROCK, BUT YOUR TWO MINDS TOGETHER IN ONE ROOM.......I JUST LOVE IT WHEN A MAN KNOWS WHAT A BRAIN IS FOR!!! IT'S SUCH A HOT TURN ON!!!!