For a far superior presentation on this, see the following on the Today’s Golfer channel: ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game!
Looking thru the results on your website, i find it interesting that the Titleist ProV1 Yellow was individually tested. I started using this ball in 2022 after doing my own personal testing. I use the very scientific method of lost and found golf balls. After a dive into the local fescue looking for my Chrome Soft, which i didn't find, i came away with a couple strays, one of them being a 2022 Yellow ProV1. I was running low on my Chrome Soft stash i had built up a few years earlier and so i brought this walk-on into action. I immediately noticed the flight and spin really suited my TSR-2 9* driver and being a slightly older golfer, I found the unique yellow cover easy to see in flight and quick to identify on the fairway or green and easier to spy in the rough. Most everything else out there is white. I found myself hunting down a box of Yellows at the local golf store and I've since gathered more boxes to get me thru this season and into the next. For me, finding a driver / ball combination that fit my swing has added back yardage lost the last several years to age and poor equipment choices. It really pays off to educate myself to whats available. Thanks for all your work.
Thanks for releasing the entire raw data set! As someone with a high swing speed, I struggle to keep the ball from skyrocketing into the air. Based on the list, I’m going to test and compare the following generally low-flying balls: Expensive: Pro V1x, Pro V1x Left Dash Mid-Price: Bridgestone Tour B X, Callaway Tour Soft X Cheap: OnCore ELXR, Snell MTB Prime Thanks so much for all of the hard work!
But why????? Soft balls = lower launch. If your desire to hit it lower, use a softer ball. THAT's what their own science says!!!! Don't believe the data they're presenting you here. They used a 7.5 degree head, but if you notice, they also made sure that the launch was reasonable and so the spins are wicked high, actually. You don't need a new ball, you need a lower lofted driver, go with 3, 4, or 5 degree heads, obtainable from the Long Driver shops
@@TheOtherKine With all due respect man, I'm not buying a brand new speciality driver that is far less accurate and consistent than what I'm already getting out of my Titleist TSR3 8 degree. Their data also does not support the conclusion that softer balls launch lower, just that they spin less on average. Their lowest launching ball off the driver is the Kirkland Performance V3+ which is literally a 91 compression ball. The other huge thing I would ask you to consider is the other 90% of the time I'm not hitting a driver - I.E. woods, irons wedges. I also need those to fly lower and this data set 100% lead me to the solution.
I tested out the Tour B X today vs the Chrome X and the Bridgestone blew me away. Long, accurate, and low flying today off all my clubs while still retaining moderate levels of spin. They performed stellar today in a super windy day. I could also tell the Callaway was spinning too much off my irons, which is 100% backed up by the data. Dick's sells the Bridgestone B X for 3 dozen at a time at a reasonable price, so I'm gonna stock up over the winter when they go on sale. Thanks MyGolfSpy!
@@BigDawgCAM Exactly!!! That is what I'm saying, you, nor anybody else, are going to go into a "ball fitting" being told you need a different club with a different loft and CG location and MOI and launch conditions. THAT is the stupidity of this MGS test
Off this video I decided to give the new Mizuno RB TourX a try. After 2 rounds I’m very impressed. Reacts well around the green and with short wedges, good distance and the ball flight is perfect for me.
You guys did it again, the testing you do on equipment and in this case golf balls is amazing. Kudos to the My Golf Spy team. As I digest the data I don't think I have a reason to change from ProV1x Left Dash. I am looking forward to your 2024 players irons review looking to see if the new T100's will beat the Srixon ZX7 MK II's that I have my eye on.
Love My Golf Spy.....but. I wish golf reviews were broke down differently. Maybe it doesn't work because of who is actually watching these. I would like to see : For Low HCP player that will buy $40+ balls we recommend xxxx. For the $30-$40 range -xxxxx. For the sub-$30 range -xxxxx. Then this for Mid HCP and High HCP. Like Kirkland might be really good for my game because I can't seem to get spin no matter what. I may need an outrageous spin golf ball. I've hit a ProV1 into a green with wedge and got 0 spin really, as example
I haven’t heard much about the Titleist tour speed especially since I just listened to over an hour on golf balls and correct me if I’m wrong but not one mention of this ball. The Titleist ProV1 & X get much More attention . I’m 61 and an 8 handicap and I switched f/ the ProV1X to the tour speed and I find the tour speed is just as good if not better then it’s supposedly better V1 & X models, they are also $12 a dozen cheaper. Is there more favoritism shown to the higher priced Titleist balls do to dominance on tour and what the public is buying? I would like to know what MGS thinks of the Titleist Tour Speed.
i totally agree. And the funny thing to me is that everyone that watches MGS knows how hard they harp on "getting fitted" - because what the pros play is RARELY what us commoner peasants should play. I know those guys love the spin, and the ball speed #'s show those high-end urethane balls being faster. But what the tests haven't done (probably not been attempted) is how well some of those slower balls perform on off-center hits. It seems to me that the harder balls require an excellent strike to compress the core, while the softer balls give you a little help with mis-hits with their firmer covers. All i know is that i have no issues putting spin on the ball, and outside of not being able to put a "one-hop stop" on a short pitch with the ionomer-class balls, i like the Velocity and Truefeel. They work fine for me, and they're tough as nails.
I too really like the Velocity and Tru Feel. They fly straighter that urethane balls and for me that means a couple more hit fairways, and maybe a couple more greens in regulation as well. And that is how you shoot your best scores, by hitting the ball straighter, on all your shots, not by stopping it a few feet shorter on an approach shot into the green.
Another factor in people choosing balls is price. I wish you would include your purchase prices per dozen balls (of course factoring in the DTC mode of pricing). This may help a lot of golfers differentiate balls that are very similar in characteristics/performance, but at significant price point deltas. Everything is getting more expensive. If I can save $20 per dozen and not give up nearly any performance that says a lot. I can get the ball I play (Vice Pro Plus) for about $30/dz and not give up much, if any, performance from a Pro V1 which are $55/dz.
Absolutely price is a consideration and this report is just the starting point (albeit a very comprehensive one). From a performance lens, the most important thing is to find a ball that works best for you - and that's where we start our analysis.
Is there an actual “list” or link where we can see the results…I apologize if it is in the notes. Would love to see a visual breakdown of what was discussed…much appreciated guys!! Thank you!!
Love all the tests @mygolfspy performs! I wish they would conduct a ball test for many of the ionomer/surlyn balls. Would love to see how the stack up against some of the top urethane balls.For many of us an ionomer ball if just fine and I'd love to know which perform the best.
Ya I’m feelin down about this. I’ve worked hard to get some 300 yrd drives. I also am a golf equipment guy. This lately has made me start to honestly feel. “ why keep trying in golf ?” I honestly will stop my golf obsession if i “ think” they’ll do this. Not good with the old guard there. I believe a lot of golf enthusiasts will find another hobby. I’m trying to be honest. And I don’t want to play a different ball than the pros. I’ve already put off my next driver fitting like….. who cares if these geezers mess up the game? I’m out. Sad
The best test!! Your test, the TGW test, (much smaller) and what I see when I hit the range of balls I like seem to all line up. I looked at the "today's golfer" guy that does a huge robot test with low/med/high swing speeds, etc., very similar to yours, but he comes up with some results that don't seem to jive. Like, hitting a Titleist wedge@74 MPH and being 22 yards off?? Additionally, some of the guys I have played with now swear the Chrome Soft X is 1/2 a club longer for them on their irons... So, I'll stick with what you guys say and what I am seeing with my own eyes!! 👍👍❤❤🤣🤣🤣🤣
update, bought 3 doz Wilson Staff tour yellow for £76. ( on sale ). what a bargain and a great ball. Usual ball is pro v1 yellow- the Wilson is slightly firmer, not really noticeable through the bag unless you hit the pro V 1 and Wilson back to back, but felt it more with the putter. At £2 per ball versus £4 its a great winter and practice ball and I could easily game it and will if I can get the Wilson regularly at this price
Very interesting. I am nearly your perfect low speed swing at 82-84 mph driver swing speed, 120-124 ball speed. My driver is a Maltby KE4TC Max set at 10* with the rear weight changed from 8 grams to 10 grams and a Helium Nanocore 45g R shaft set at 46.25”. I started playing this year after a 12 year layoff at age 70, so it’s been a relearning experience. I started with a Pro V1 ball, which had good launch conditions, but I needed more spin with my irons. Went to ProV1x which was better with the irons, but I wanted more spin. For kicks I tried a box of TP5x balls. That was the magic ball for me. I did have the driver at 10.5 degrees with a 12g heel weight and I had to change to the 10* and reduce the heel weight to 10*. I did pick up more spin with my 7 iron and I might have lost a couple of yards of carry, but I started holding greens better. Funny that ball doesn’t show up in any of your test results, but it seems to work for me.
I have used both. I know the difference in this test was small but present. The one thing I would state about the yellow ball is that they use some secret sauce in the cover. Not only is it different, but I have found the durability significantly better in my real world use (both ProV1 and Pro V1x). The white ones seem to get dingy over a few holes and tend to scuff up more than the yellow. To be honest I think besides the white becoming grey, Pro V balls are the most durable of all and the yellow just takes it to the next level.
awesome study! did you review the cheaper more common golf balls from big brands and do you have a view of performance per $? I've been usingthe Kirklands and still not sure from this study whether I should bin them off and pay more (Medium swing, 18 handicap and Driver has a tendendancy to go way way right when I hit a bad one)
Testing golf balls in this manner is resource-intensive and because of this, we think it's best to focus on the best-performing balls (aka the premium/urethane category). Other than a price preference, there's no reason golfers (that care about performance) should be playing a 2-piece ionomer ball.
“No point to using a ionomer (Surlyn) ball” you say, yet Tony repeatedly over the years has admitted, and tests from other sources have also proven that ionomer balls will curve less, resulting in slightly straighter shots. I don’t know of anyone other than scratch (or better) handicap golfers that would not benefit from hitting straighter shots. I can put up with an occasional shot rolling out a little bit further on the green, even if one occasionally goes into the back fringe, in order to hit straighter shots that don’t go as far offline. I love hitting a lot of straight shots down the fairway, and also into the greens, and regularly shooting in the upper 70’s and some low 80’s. I hit it high enough I don’t need a high spin golf ball. Try ionomer balls and you may hit an extra fairway or two, avoid the deeper rough a time or two, and hit greens in regulation more often as well. Straighter shots are almost always better shots.
@@scottdean27 When it comes to total performance ( tee to green and everything in between), I don't think you'll find anyone advocating for ionomer > urethane. If hitting the ball straighter is a priority, there are plenty of options, of which playing an ionomer ball "might" be one....but it's pretty far down the list for me and isn't worth the performance trade off...The only reason to play an ionomer ball is to save money which is a legitimate consideration for many golfers - but if it's about shooting lower scores, ionomer doesn't have a seat at the table
on green side spin, apart from tour players and maybe not even them, its the spin consistency that matters I would suggest- you don't want another variable in the equation
Thanks for video. I switched from Calloway supersoft to Chrome soft X about 2 months ago. Instantly a much better putter/chipper like night and day better. If I was a little more consistent with driver I probably could tell if there's any difference. 90-95 mph swing speed for reference.
Hunh??? Huh???? They didn't test these balls for putting. LMAO But, that was a point I was going to make, how can they say it's the "best" ball when they don't know how it putts
@@TheOtherKine Again though I didn't choose a new ball based on this video so me mentioning putting is just helping someone else who's watching this video get a little more info on choosing a ball but carry on being a douchpickle
@@ryancampbell4445 Douchepickle is yourself and MGS, for literally manipulating the data to "gain" certain results, NOT because they actually wanted to show you what the best ball is
Is there any visual graphics to what you guys are talking about? I'm struggling to understand and take in the information without some kind of visual aid.
@@TheOtherKine I have been playing pro v1's, tp5's, some Chrome software, srixon z stars etc. Only premium balls and of that bunch the pro v1 feels best for putting. They all stop and play wonderful around the green right? Well, tge Q star tour goes as far at minimal, goes straighter in the wind (z stars for me are best in the wind out of the premium balls) QSTAR stops as good as all of them and feels better or unnoticeable difference compared with a prov1 on approach. Putting is actually why I save $15 bucks a box on balls. I like the pro v1 as it always seems to roll to the cup and rarely short. Q star tour does the same but feels even softer off my face. I love ball compressions and every year just to see what's out there but always go back to the premiums. Not anymore as that ball putts true and feels so good around the green. I highly recommend the DIVIDE version as it's just fun to watch the ball fly and the orange/yellow are my favorite as you can spot them a mile away. I don't usually line up my put unless it's a 40 footer or practicing as you get instant feedback. Sorry to take so long to get back to you btw RECAP:: LONGER, STRAIGHTER, BEST FEELING GOLF BALL I EVER HIT, STOPS A FOOT OR SO FROM YOUR DIVOT, FEELS WONDERFUL PUTTING. That is my ball of choice, not because I can't afford premium (nice to see $$$) but because of tge performance and feel. Orange/yellow divide enhances the game play, and if Srixon reads this and Jack's up the price I would still pay. Homerun for Srixon. Get a sleeve, might be your new ball. Best
@RaySentner-db8uv Makes sense, I just use the divide cause of the way they look cool in the air. If they don't roll at as well, I believe it cause those balls do stop, which means you can get aggressive with them with confidence. Hope I get to play tomorrow
But they're not! Something is not right with these tests. They used a 7.5 degree head for the fast speed, 10.5 for mid, and 12 for slow!!!! Why???? Something is fishy here. If I was a scientific paper writing on the consistency of things, I would have used the same head all though the test so there are no manipulated variables. Something is not right. Just imagine what would happen if those fast tests were done with a 10.5 and Angle of Attack adjusted to zero
@@TheOtherKine But don't those lofted drivers better fit reality of what those swing speeds use? I don't know about the 7.5 for high . . . but I am a mid speed swinger and I use a 10.5 and my wife is a slow speed swinger and she uses a 12. That seems to be very very common. So it makes sense that they would match the degree GENERALLY with the swing speed. Again, I am with you on the 7.5 - that does seem very low and a lot of high speed swingers also use 10.5 including pros.
@@MichaelMTH-cam And, to add, there's a reason why Titleist have always said start at the short game and work your way back to the tee to choose your ball. These tests purely for speed and launch, manipulated with different heads to "gain" results without explaining to the lay people who don't quite understand, how much things like Spin Loft, CG location and MOI on driver heads account for the way the ball "takes off" the face
Where is your data? This is a long video with a bunch of talking, giving your opinions. Let us see the data so we can make up our minds. This is an infuriating video presentation.
Do you guys cut all the tested balls in half after hitting them? You guys derate balls in cut ups with offset cores, but how much core offset matters to ball performance? It would be valuable to know that offset cores do family differently than centered cores, within brands, and across brands.
Oh no, these asshats would never take that risk of ruining their rigged "data" because they don't want to miss out on freebie SWAG from all the manufacturers to promote their stuff
i enjoy the 2024 Callaway ERC soft the NEW 2024 TITLEIST AVX the PXG EXTREME CALLAWAY TRUVIS WILSON STAFF MODEL VICE PRO SOFT 2024 TAYLOREMADE TP5 and in the spring or fall cool months the SRIXON SOFT FEEL or CALLAWAY SUPERSOFT enjoy using all these balls not really set to one specific one I am 59 years old and a 8 Handicap cheers from Vulcan Canada
Interesting discussion/vid..a lot of work, great content! Anyone else confused by the Mizuno RB Tour X data? It goes further than RB Tour, has less spin. But thats exactly the opposite of what the Mizuno TH-cam channel says...😬
Great test guys! Fuck these haters on timing and shit I know it’s complicated, one question for you. If I’m a high swing speed player that needs more iron spin with my strong lofted irons but less spin on the driver to keep it in bounds, where do you think I would go with that?
They could also have used the same driver all through the test but they used 3 different lofts to manipulate the numbers to help people LIFT the ball, so it's not a reliable list
For next years test, you should work with Arccos to try to figure out the data that most closely matches actual amateur player swing characteristics. Otherwise, great work!
You start by mentioning the featherie. According to several histories of golf and the golf ball, the first golf balls in the early 1400s were apparently made of solid wood, hit with wooden clubs. These may have been used only for a short game involving hitting the ball down streets and into church yards, rather than on open landscapes with multiple holes. From 1486 until 1618, according to one history, Scots imported from the Netherlands and used the "hairy" golf ball, a hand-sewn round leather ball filled with cows hair or straw. In 1554 the hairy golf ball was being made in Scotland. The featherie golf ball may have been made as early as the mid-1500s according to some historical accounts, but the first definitive reference to its introduction in 1618. It was made from boiled goose feathers stuffed into a cowhide cover. then stitched and painted. Both were wet, so while the leather shrank as it dried the feathers expanded, forming a hard round object. They were hard to make and very expensive. A skilled ball maker could produce no more than 4 balls a day, and one history states they might cost more than the price of a club, while others say in today's money they cost $20. They were not always perfectly round, and if they got wet they could soften and come apart. The average driving distance with a featherie by a skilled player was 180 to 200 yards. The gutta percha ball, made from the sap of the Malaysian Sapodilla tree, was invented in 1848 by Dr. Robert Adams Paterson. Golf's first professional, Allan Robertson was the premier club and ball maker in the early 1800s. In 1835 Tom Morris, later Old Tom Morris, began working with Robertson at age 14 making featheries in St. Andrew's. They split when Morris saw the gutta percha ball as the future while Robertson saw them as a threat to his business and fired Morris for playing with one. Morris then opened his own shop in Prestwick. There is a guy in Australia who still makes featheries for history buffs and those who have taken to playing golf with hickory shafts. The gutta percha ball was much cheaper to make and enabled more people to afford to play. It was found that the marks left on gutta percha balls from striking them with clubs improved their spin and control properties over new smooth balls, so makers began indenting the surface with a grid pattern. Later molds were invented to create uniform raised bumps like a raspberry, and then the convex dimple. The gutta percha ball was replaced by the rubber core ball invented In 1898 by Coburn Haskell. It had a solid or liquid filled rubber core surrounded by tightly wound rubber thread with a balata cover made from the sap of the Balata tree from Central and South America and the Caribbean.
Wow! Nice Work!! Now the second part to test - Putting! Reason being, a 5 pc ball maybe not the greatest in consistency for roundness after 180 MpH ball speed.
They also didn't test the balls for putting, off different putter faces, for roll and offline, so this test is meaningless and shouldn't be able to say what is the best ball
@@TheOtherKine Just to clarify, the most comprehensive ball performance test in the industry that assesses performance off the driver, mid-iron, and green-side wedge (along with wet/dry performance and a host of other case-specific studies) is somehow "meaningless" b/c we didn't include putter data which is largely 1) subjective and 2) a function of the putter technology in play...I'm not suggesting that putter data might/could/maybe be useful at some point, but this seems like the type of criticism that's in line with customer who won't eat a restaurant b/c they don't like napkins :)
@@chrisnickel8873 You used a PXG at 7.5 and a Cally at 10.5. So "technology" isn't in play between those heads???? Shut the F up with your BS. The putter is NOT subjective, clearly, otherwise we wouldn't have varying head designs, weights, grips, grip weights, thickness, and face materials etc etc and that goes with ANY club. You can't CLAIM a ball is the BEST if you don't test for ALL of these things
It’s awesome that this list comes out at the end of August instead of I don’t know sometime actually useful like maybe May. Club championships are over in much of the country. The season is basically over so unless I’m stocking up on golf balls now for next year, it’s almost useless.
wait, he is saying X for mid and slow swing speed? ive never heard anyone say X for my swing speed. Im mid speed and play AVX because its soft and i can compress. I cant compress and X
It's about the "lift" - firmer balls are designed to fly higher than soft balls, but with the way they tested it, they manipulated the data here, since they used a 7.5 degree head for fast, 10.5 for mid, and 12 for slow!!! It's a ridiculous list
Yes. And we see it in fittings quite frequently where golfers that thought they "didn't have enough swing speed for _________" find better total performance b/c they need the higher launch, additional spin and bump in ball speed from a higher compression "X" ball.
Tony, we all hate our jobs it's part of this messed up world. What we also hate is watching someone whining about their job as we try to watch content.
I wish MGS would stop saying high compression/low compression and just say firm/soft. The terms they’ve gone with are counterintuitive. High compression sounds like it would be a softer golf ball.
@@GolfSpyC @ryanwalters694 Hearing the phrase "high compression" leads me to believe the ball is highly compressing. I'm not saying anybody is correct. I'm just suggesting that saying describing a golf ball as "firm" or "soft" might be more clear.
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Chris needs to learn how to share the talking with Tony. He’s so anxious to talk that he waves his arms and simply thrusts himself into the conversation, regardless, that TONY is already talking. Good presenters never talk over their partner like Chris does. He is a smart person but needs some coaching on broadcasting with a partner.
Right place, right time... Honored to be included, thanks for all the work that went into this!
Let's get some love for Chris' sunglasses tan also.. 😅
😂😂😂
Go Chris!!!! It's your birthday
And Tony too! He loves a good Miura!
For a far superior presentation on this, see the following on the Today’s Golfer channel: ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game!
"Everyone could use more spin". "The only thing Kirkland has is high spin. It's really a niche ball"
I love the spin and price.
Helps the score, helps the wallet
Not I…. I may only spin my 6i 5000rpm’s(draw), but I have a 50* decent angle from a high ball flight.
Their bias is showing. For mid to high handicapper, the Kirkland V3 is a great ball. Personally, I need a consistency at a good price.
Looking thru the results on your website, i find it interesting that the Titleist ProV1 Yellow was individually tested. I started using this ball in 2022 after doing my own personal testing. I use the very scientific method of lost and found golf balls. After a dive into the local fescue looking for my Chrome Soft, which i didn't find, i came away with a couple strays, one of them being a 2022 Yellow ProV1. I was running low on my Chrome Soft stash i had built up a few years earlier and so i brought this walk-on into action. I immediately noticed the flight and spin really suited my TSR-2 9* driver and being a slightly older golfer, I found the unique yellow cover easy to see in flight and quick to identify on the fairway or green and easier to spy in the rough. Most everything else out there is white. I found myself hunting down a box of Yellows at the local golf store and I've since gathered more boxes to get me thru this season and into the next. For me, finding a driver / ball combination that fit my swing has added back yardage lost the last several years to age and poor equipment choices. It really pays off to educate myself to whats available. Thanks for all your work.
Thanks for releasing the entire raw data set! As someone with a high swing speed, I struggle to keep the ball from skyrocketing into the air. Based on the list, I’m going to test and compare the following generally low-flying balls:
Expensive: Pro V1x, Pro V1x Left Dash
Mid-Price: Bridgestone Tour B X, Callaway Tour Soft X
Cheap: OnCore ELXR, Snell MTB Prime
Thanks so much for all of the hard work!
But why????? Soft balls = lower launch. If your desire to hit it lower, use a softer ball. THAT's what their own science says!!!! Don't believe the data they're presenting you here. They used a 7.5 degree head, but if you notice, they also made sure that the launch was reasonable and so the spins are wicked high, actually.
You don't need a new ball, you need a lower lofted driver, go with 3, 4, or 5 degree heads, obtainable from the Long Driver shops
@@TheOtherKine With all due respect man, I'm not buying a brand new speciality driver that is far less accurate and consistent than what I'm already getting out of my Titleist TSR3 8 degree.
Their data also does not support the conclusion that softer balls launch lower, just that they spin less on average. Their lowest launching ball off the driver is the Kirkland Performance V3+ which is literally a 91 compression ball.
The other huge thing I would ask you to consider is the other 90% of the time I'm not hitting a driver - I.E. woods, irons wedges. I also need those to fly lower and this data set 100% lead me to the solution.
I tested out the Tour B X today vs the Chrome X and the Bridgestone blew me away. Long, accurate, and low flying today off all my clubs while still retaining moderate levels of spin. They performed stellar today in a super windy day. I could also tell the Callaway was spinning too much off my irons, which is 100% backed up by the data.
Dick's sells the Bridgestone B X for 3 dozen at a time at a reasonable price, so I'm gonna stock up over the winter when they go on sale. Thanks MyGolfSpy!
Nacho ball didn’t make any lists?
@@BigDawgCAM Exactly!!! That is what I'm saying, you, nor anybody else, are going to go into a "ball fitting" being told you need a different club with a different loft and CG location and MOI and launch conditions. THAT is the stupidity of this MGS test
Off this video I decided to give the new Mizuno RB TourX a try. After 2 rounds I’m very impressed. Reacts well around the green and with short wedges, good distance and the ball flight is perfect for me.
Go watch this :ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game" @todaysgolfer
I did the same and was very impressed.
VICE has balls for everyone and the Plus and Pro are virtually the same as the Pro V1's. $25 less expensive. 4 handicapper typing.
How bout grouping balls by cost? The top performers are all so close that the separation for most people is cost.
You guys did it again, the testing you do on equipment and in this case golf balls is amazing. Kudos to the My Golf Spy team. As I digest the data I don't think I have a reason to change from ProV1x Left Dash. I am looking forward to your 2024 players irons review looking to see if the new T100's will beat the Srixon ZX7 MK II's that I have my eye on.
Love My Golf Spy.....but. I wish golf reviews were broke down differently. Maybe it doesn't work because of who is actually watching these. I would like to see : For Low HCP player that will buy $40+ balls we recommend xxxx. For the $30-$40 range -xxxxx. For the sub-$30 range -xxxxx. Then this for Mid HCP and High HCP. Like Kirkland might be really good for my game because I can't seem to get spin no matter what. I may need an outrageous spin golf ball. I've hit a ProV1 into a green with wedge and got 0 spin really, as example
Coming to the site next week ;)
Great work as always…you’ve been very helpful in narrowing my ball selection.
How? They didn't test these balls for putting
Go watch this before you decide "ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game" @todaysgolfer
Great to hear the love for the Z Star Diamond. Great affirmation of what I've experienced since recently buying a dozen.
I haven’t heard much about the Titleist tour speed especially since I just listened to over an hour on golf balls and correct me if I’m wrong but not one mention of this ball. The Titleist ProV1 & X get much More attention . I’m 61 and an 8 handicap and I switched f/ the ProV1X to the tour speed and I find the tour speed is just as good if not better then it’s supposedly better V1 & X models, they are also $12 a dozen cheaper. Is there more favoritism shown to the higher priced Titleist balls do to dominance on tour and what the public is buying? I would like to know what MGS thinks of the Titleist Tour Speed.
i totally agree. And the funny thing to me is that everyone that watches MGS knows how hard they harp on "getting fitted" - because what the pros play is RARELY what us commoner peasants should play. I know those guys love the spin, and the ball speed #'s show those high-end urethane balls being faster. But what the tests haven't done (probably not been attempted) is how well some of those slower balls perform on off-center hits. It seems to me that the harder balls require an excellent strike to compress the core, while the softer balls give you a little help with mis-hits with their firmer covers. All i know is that i have no issues putting spin on the ball, and outside of not being able to put a "one-hop stop" on a short pitch with the ionomer-class balls, i like the Velocity and Truefeel. They work fine for me, and they're tough as nails.
I too really like the Velocity and Tru Feel. They fly straighter that urethane balls and for me that means a couple more hit fairways, and maybe a couple more greens in regulation as well. And that is how you shoot your best scores, by hitting the ball straighter, on all your shots, not by stopping it a few feet shorter on an approach shot into the green.
Go watch this "ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game" @todaysgolfer
Another factor in people choosing balls is price. I wish you would include your purchase prices per dozen balls (of course factoring in the DTC mode of pricing). This may help a lot of golfers differentiate balls that are very similar in characteristics/performance, but at significant price point deltas. Everything is getting more expensive. If I can save $20 per dozen and not give up nearly any performance that says a lot. I can get the ball I play (Vice Pro Plus) for about $30/dz and not give up much, if any, performance from a Pro V1 which are $55/dz.
Absolutely price is a consideration and this report is just the starting point (albeit a very comprehensive one). From a performance lens, the most important thing is to find a ball that works best for you - and that's where we start our analysis.
Both the Vice Pro and Vice Pro Plus have almost the identical stats to the Pro V1 according to this test 😂
Decided to go with one type of ball this season. I have decided to go with the maxfli tourX. It works.
How is the TP5X? I saw TP5 get mentioned but not the other.
Is there an actual “list” or link where we can see the results…I apologize if it is in the notes. Would love to see a visual breakdown of what was discussed…much appreciated guys!! Thank you!!
Love all the tests @mygolfspy performs! I wish they would conduct a ball test for many of the ionomer/surlyn balls. Would love to see how the stack up against some of the top urethane balls.For many of us an ionomer ball if just fine and I'd love to know which perform the best.
Ya I’m feelin down about this. I’ve worked hard to get some 300 yrd drives. I also am a golf equipment guy. This lately has made me start to honestly feel. “ why keep trying in golf ?” I honestly will stop my golf obsession if i “ think” they’ll do this. Not good with the old guard there. I believe a lot of golf enthusiasts will find another hobby. I’m trying to be honest.
And I don’t want to play a different ball than the pros.
I’ve already put off my next driver fitting like….. who cares if these geezers mess up the game? I’m out. Sad
The best test!! Your test, the TGW test, (much smaller) and what I see when I hit the range of balls I like seem to all line up. I looked at the "today's golfer" guy that does a huge robot test with low/med/high swing speeds, etc., very similar to yours, but he comes up with some results that don't seem to jive. Like, hitting a Titleist wedge@74 MPH and being 22 yards off?? Additionally, some of the guys I have played with now swear the Chrome Soft X is 1/2 a club longer for them on their irons... So, I'll stick with what you guys say and what I am seeing with my own eyes!! 👍👍❤❤🤣🤣🤣🤣
update, bought 3 doz Wilson Staff tour yellow for £76. ( on sale ). what a bargain and a great ball. Usual ball is pro v1 yellow- the Wilson is slightly firmer, not really noticeable through the bag unless you hit the pro V 1 and Wilson back to back, but felt it more with the putter. At £2 per ball versus £4 its a great winter and practice ball and I could easily game it and will if I can get the Wilson regularly at this price
Very interesting. I am nearly your perfect low speed swing at 82-84 mph driver swing speed, 120-124 ball speed. My driver is a Maltby KE4TC Max set at 10* with the rear weight changed from 8 grams to 10 grams and a Helium Nanocore 45g R shaft set at 46.25”. I started playing this year after a 12 year layoff at age 70, so it’s been a relearning experience. I started with a Pro V1 ball, which had good launch conditions, but I needed more spin with my irons. Went to ProV1x which was better with the irons, but I wanted more spin. For kicks I tried a box of TP5x balls. That was the magic ball for me. I did have the driver at 10.5 degrees with a 12g heel weight and I had to change to the 10* and reduce the heel weight to 10*. I did pick up more spin with my 7 iron and I might have lost a couple of yards of carry, but I started holding greens better. Funny that ball doesn’t show up in any of your test results, but it seems to work for me.
Can anyone explain the big differences between ProV1 and ProV1 yellow?
Colour LMAO
I have used both. I know the difference in this test was small but present. The one thing I would state about the yellow ball is that they use some secret sauce in the cover. Not only is it different, but I have found the durability significantly better in my real world use (both ProV1 and Pro V1x). The white ones seem to get dingy over a few holes and tend to scuff up more than the yellow. To be honest I think besides the white becoming grey, Pro V balls are the most durable of all and the yellow just takes it to the next level.
@@TheOtherKinefkn got em!!!
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Good review guys!!!
Is there a list that shows the data you have captured? I cannot see a link here at all.
Keep up the good work.
Is there a written list?
Yes, written and dynamic. Go to their website
awesome study! did you review the cheaper more common golf balls from big brands and do you have a view of performance per $? I've been usingthe Kirklands and still not sure from this study whether I should bin them off and pay more (Medium swing, 18 handicap and Driver has a tendendancy to go way way right when I hit a bad one)
Testing golf balls in this manner is resource-intensive and because of this, we think it's best to focus on the best-performing balls (aka the premium/urethane category). Other than a price preference, there's no reason golfers (that care about performance) should be playing a 2-piece ionomer ball.
Pointless question as they didn't test the balls for putting off different putter faces and materials
“No point to using a ionomer (Surlyn) ball” you say, yet Tony repeatedly over the years has admitted, and tests from other sources have also proven that ionomer balls will curve less, resulting in slightly straighter shots. I don’t know of anyone other than scratch (or better) handicap golfers that would not benefit from hitting straighter shots. I can put up with an occasional shot rolling out a little bit further on the green, even if one occasionally goes into the back fringe, in order to hit straighter shots that don’t go as far offline. I love hitting a lot of straight shots down the fairway, and also into the greens, and regularly shooting in the upper 70’s and some low 80’s. I hit it high enough I don’t need a high spin golf ball. Try ionomer balls and you may hit an extra fairway or two, avoid the deeper rough a time or two, and hit greens in regulation more often as well. Straighter shots are almost always better shots.
@@scottdean27 When it comes to total performance ( tee to green and everything in between), I don't think you'll find anyone advocating for ionomer > urethane. If hitting the ball straighter is a priority, there are plenty of options, of which playing an ionomer ball "might" be one....but it's pretty far down the list for me and isn't worth the performance trade off...The only reason to play an ionomer ball is to save money which is a legitimate consideration for many golfers - but if it's about shooting lower scores, ionomer doesn't have a seat at the table
@@scottdean27 Go watch the video by @stevemould about spinning things, he just did a video on the Golfball Paradox!!!!
Did someone forget to drop the podcast version ) it never came out on Apple podcast?????
In the 9 recommendations for each swing speed which one is low middle high ball flight is it just l low m middle r high?
You can't tell because they manipulated the data with 3 different driver lofts
on green side spin, apart from tour players and maybe not even them, its the spin consistency that matters I would suggest- you don't want another variable in the equation
But that could change with the type of wedge you use
Need help 95 mph swing but my golf balls have too much spin. I need distance and hit left to right.
Do you guys not upload to Spotify ?
Thanks for video. I switched from Calloway supersoft to Chrome soft X about 2 months ago. Instantly a much better putter/chipper like night and day better. If I was a little more consistent with driver I probably could tell if there's any difference. 90-95 mph swing speed for reference.
Hunh??? Huh???? They didn't test these balls for putting. LMAO But, that was a point I was going to make, how can they say it's the "best" ball when they don't know how it putts
@@TheOtherKine I'm confused on the huhs? This video didn't make me switch golf balls?
@@ryancampbell4445 YOU, LITERALLY said, you are a better putter/chipper, that this video didn't test 🤦♂
@@TheOtherKine Again though I didn't choose a new ball based on this video so me mentioning putting is just helping someone else who's watching this video get a little more info on choosing a ball but carry on being a douchpickle
@@ryancampbell4445 Douchepickle is yourself and MGS, for literally manipulating the data to "gain" certain results, NOT because they actually wanted to show you what the best ball is
12:08 provisional balls are best because they always fly straight and long.If dont believe me test it for yourself.😮
Is there any visual graphics to what you guys are talking about? I'm struggling to understand and take in the information without some kind of visual aid.
On their website
Q Star Tour Divide... does it all, even in heavy winds. Great price too
How's the putting feel? I found Srixon balls to not putt so well for me, and I don't change my putter, I have used the same putter for a decade
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I have been playing pro v1's, tp5's, some Chrome software, srixon z stars etc. Only premium balls and of that bunch the pro v1 feels best for putting. They all stop and play wonderful around the green right? Well, tge Q star tour goes as far at minimal, goes straighter in the wind (z stars for me are best in the wind out of the premium balls) QSTAR stops as good as all of them and feels better or unnoticeable difference compared with a prov1 on approach. Putting is actually why I save $15 bucks a box on balls. I like the pro v1 as it always seems to roll to the cup and rarely short. Q star tour does the same but feels even softer off my face. I love ball compressions and every year just to see what's out there but always go back to the premiums. Not anymore as that ball putts true and feels so good around the green. I highly recommend the DIVIDE version as it's just fun to watch the ball fly and the orange/yellow are my favorite as you can spot them a mile away. I don't usually line up my put unless it's a 40 footer or practicing as you get instant feedback. Sorry to take so long to get back to you btw
RECAP:: LONGER, STRAIGHTER, BEST FEELING GOLF BALL I EVER HIT, STOPS A FOOT OR SO FROM YOUR DIVOT, FEELS WONDERFUL PUTTING. That is my ball of choice, not because I can't afford premium (nice to see $$$) but because of tge performance and feel. Orange/yellow divide enhances the game play, and if Srixon reads this and Jack's up the price I would still pay. Homerun for Srixon. Get a sleeve, might be your new ball. Best
The matte finish does not roll out as smooth tbh. Been playing the divide for a little over a year now. Very hard to lose the ball
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Makes sense, I just use the divide cause of the way they look cool in the air. If they don't roll at as well, I believe it cause those balls do stop, which means you can get aggressive with them with confidence. Hope I get to play tomorrow
Seems like the x balls are all worth it
But they're not! Something is not right with these tests. They used a 7.5 degree head for the fast speed, 10.5 for mid, and 12 for slow!!!! Why???? Something is fishy here.
If I was a scientific paper writing on the consistency of things, I would have used the same head all though the test so there are no manipulated variables.
Something is not right. Just imagine what would happen if those fast tests were done with a 10.5 and Angle of Attack adjusted to zero
@@TheOtherKine But don't those lofted drivers better fit reality of what those swing speeds use? I don't know about the 7.5 for high . . . but I am a mid speed swinger and I use a 10.5 and my wife is a slow speed swinger and she uses a 12. That seems to be very very common. So it makes sense that they would match the degree GENERALLY with the swing speed. Again, I am with you on the 7.5 - that does seem very low and a lot of high speed swingers also use 10.5 including pros.
@@MichaelMTH-cam Players like Dustin Johnson also uses a 10.5, as do MANY, and I mean MANY, use the same type of loft of around 10, on TOUR
@@MichaelMTH-cam And, to add, there's a reason why Titleist have always said start at the short game and work your way back to the tee to choose your ball. These tests purely for speed and launch, manipulated with different heads to "gain" results without explaining to the lay people who don't quite understand, how much things like Spin Loft, CG location and MOI on driver heads account for the way the ball "takes off" the face
Where can you review the data?
Is anyone going to mention washing Chris’ hat? 😮
Where is your data? This is a long video with a bunch of talking, giving your opinions. Let us see the data so we can make up our minds. This is an infuriating video presentation.
Do you guys cut all the tested balls in half after hitting them? You guys derate balls in cut ups with offset cores, but how much core offset matters to ball performance? It would be valuable to know that offset cores do family differently than centered cores, within brands, and across brands.
Oh no, these asshats would never take that risk of ruining their rigged "data" because they don't want to miss out on freebie SWAG from all the manufacturers to promote their stuff
i enjoy the 2024 Callaway ERC soft the NEW 2024 TITLEIST AVX the PXG EXTREME CALLAWAY TRUVIS WILSON STAFF MODEL VICE PRO SOFT 2024 TAYLOREMADE TP5 and in the spring or fall cool months the SRIXON SOFT FEEL or CALLAWAY SUPERSOFT enjoy using all these balls not really set to one specific one I am 59 years old and a 8 Handicap cheers from Vulcan Canada
You talk about the tests and I see comments on them but I have been unable to find the tests, where are they???
Interesting discussion/vid..a lot of work, great content! Anyone else confused by the Mizuno RB Tour X data? It goes further than RB Tour, has less spin. But thats exactly the opposite of what the Mizuno TH-cam channel says...😬
Go watch this "ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game" @todaysgolfer
Kirkland is money from 100yds in
Great test guys! Fuck these haters on timing and shit I know it’s complicated, one question for you. If I’m a high swing speed player that needs more iron spin with my strong lofted irons but less spin on the driver to keep it in bounds, where do you think I would go with that?
Prov1x. Higher compression means more spin, however it's low spin off driver.
Where is Taylor made in all of this??
Hit them with a 5 deg out to in swing and tell me how far offline they go. Maybe an open club face while you're at it.
They could also have used the same driver all through the test but they used 3 different lofts to manipulate the numbers to help people LIFT the ball, so it's not a reliable list
Where is the article on the ball recommendations?
For next years test, you should work with Arccos to try to figure out the data that most closely matches actual amateur player swing characteristics. Otherwise, great work!
If you shoot 80 or worse you will play the Kirkland $18 urethane 3 piece ball as good as anything IMO. I score a little lower.
This is categorically false and one of the myths that gets perpetuated for whatever reason...I really don't get it.
I play off 7and game the Kirkland. Never had any spin issues whatsoever.
You start by mentioning the featherie. According to several histories of golf and the golf ball, the first golf balls in the early 1400s were apparently made of solid wood, hit with wooden clubs. These may have been used only for a short game involving hitting the ball down streets and into church yards, rather than on open landscapes with multiple holes. From 1486 until 1618, according to one history, Scots imported from the Netherlands and used the "hairy" golf ball, a hand-sewn round leather ball filled with cows hair or straw. In 1554 the hairy golf ball was being made in Scotland. The featherie golf ball may have been made as early as the mid-1500s according to some historical accounts, but the first definitive reference to its introduction in 1618. It was made from boiled goose feathers stuffed into a cowhide cover. then stitched and painted. Both were wet, so while the leather shrank as it dried the feathers expanded, forming a hard round object. They were hard to make and very expensive. A skilled ball maker could produce no more than 4 balls a day, and one history states they might cost more than the price of a club, while others say in today's money they cost $20. They were not always perfectly round, and if they got wet they could soften and come apart. The average driving distance with a featherie by a skilled player was 180 to 200 yards. The gutta percha ball, made from the sap of the Malaysian Sapodilla tree, was invented in 1848 by Dr. Robert Adams Paterson. Golf's first professional, Allan Robertson was the premier club and ball maker in the early 1800s. In 1835 Tom Morris, later Old Tom Morris, began working with Robertson at age 14 making featheries in St. Andrew's. They split when Morris saw the gutta percha ball as the future while Robertson saw them as a threat to his business and fired Morris for playing with one. Morris then opened his own shop in Prestwick. There is a guy in Australia who still makes featheries for history buffs and those who have taken to playing golf with hickory shafts. The gutta percha ball was much cheaper to make and enabled more people to afford to play. It was found that the marks left on gutta percha balls from striking them with clubs improved their spin and control properties over new smooth balls, so makers began indenting the surface with a grid pattern. Later molds were invented to create uniform raised bumps like a raspberry, and then the convex dimple. The gutta percha ball was replaced by the rubber core ball invented In 1898 by Coburn Haskell. It had a solid or liquid filled rubber core surrounded by tightly wound rubber thread with a balata cover made from the sap of the Balata tree from Central and South America and the Caribbean.
Wow! Nice Work!!
Now the second part to test - Putting!
Reason being, a 5 pc ball maybe not the greatest in consistency for roundness after 180 MpH ball speed.
Putting is all cover based. Softer or clicky feel. It's all preference.
Gotta say these results would be much more useful in……. May !! 😂😂 not that I don’t appreciate the test but ….
I appreciate how much stock you put into our results....Maybe it's time to start crowd sourcing a robot for HQ!
They also didn't test the balls for putting, off different putter faces, for roll and offline, so this test is meaningless and shouldn't be able to say what is the best ball
@@TheOtherKine Just to clarify, the most comprehensive ball performance test in the industry that assesses performance off the driver, mid-iron, and green-side wedge (along with wet/dry performance and a host of other case-specific studies) is somehow "meaningless" b/c we didn't include putter data which is largely 1) subjective and 2) a function of the putter technology in play...I'm not suggesting that putter data might/could/maybe be useful at some point, but this seems like the type of criticism that's in line with customer who won't eat a restaurant b/c they don't like napkins :)
@@chrisnickel8873 You used a PXG at 7.5 and a Cally at 10.5. So "technology" isn't in play between those heads???? Shut the F up with your BS. The putter is NOT subjective, clearly, otherwise we wouldn't have varying head designs, weights, grips, grip weights, thickness, and face materials etc etc and that goes with ANY club. You can't CLAIM a ball is the BEST if you don't test for ALL of these things
@@TheOtherKine Yes you can. And we did. Move on.
Trying to watch the video, but cant concentrate on anything but the crazy sun burn/tan.
Missed Trust online & Uther Icon Pro Golf Galaxy
Stop talking so much and show us the dam dispersion maps
It’s awesome that this list comes out at the end of August instead of I don’t know sometime actually useful like maybe May. Club championships are over in much of the country. The season is basically over so unless I’m stocking up on golf balls now for next year, it’s almost useless.
I mean you could say the same thing about most wanted clubs too by the time their results come out the next iteration is like 3 months away
Your profile pic is you golfing in the snow. I'd say their testing was done a tad early for you.
Calm down Francis. The same ball will be out next year. I bet you are a lot of fun at parties 😂
@@sdrum13😂😂 right
@@itsjustashow it’s always easy to tell who the Simps are
wait, he is saying X for mid and slow swing speed? ive never heard anyone say X for my swing speed. Im mid speed and play AVX because its soft and i can compress. I cant compress and X
It's about the "lift" - firmer balls are designed to fly higher than soft balls, but with the way they tested it, they manipulated the data here, since they used a 7.5 degree head for fast, 10.5 for mid, and 12 for slow!!! It's a ridiculous list
Yes. And we see it in fittings quite frequently where golfers that thought they "didn't have enough swing speed for _________" find better total performance b/c they need the higher launch, additional spin and bump in ball speed from a higher compression "X" ball.
@@GolfSpyC Go watch this "ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game" @todaysgolfer
A digital dollar would be a tragedy. I guess all the illegals will starve or be given an exemption.
Waste of time....just 2 guys speaking crap
Tony, we all hate our jobs it's part of this messed up world. What we also hate is watching someone whining about their job as we try to watch content.
I wish MGS would stop saying high compression/low compression and just say firm/soft. The terms they’ve gone with are counterintuitive. High compression sounds like it would be a softer golf ball.
I actually don't think it's counterintuitive at all. High compression = Firm, Low compression = soft
High compression means that it takes more force to compress it or activate the core. It’s actually spot on.
Go watch this "ROBOT GOLF BALLS TEST | Find the best 2023 model for your game" @todaysgolfer
@@GolfSpyC @ryanwalters694 Hearing the phrase "high compression" leads me to believe the ball is highly compressing. I'm not saying anybody is correct. I'm just suggesting that saying describing a golf ball as "firm" or "soft" might be more clear.
Get to the point and quit yakking on and on about yourselves
MGS: (completely free of charge, provides mountains of comprehensive, robot-tested ball data for almost every manufacturer, including dynamic charts and graphs on their website and an explanation video with time/info stamps so you can easily jump to the parts you want to hear)
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@@starwf07 The degree to which people complain about free, fair and industry-leading information knows no bounds....but alas, we press on!
Chris needs to learn how to share the talking with Tony. He’s so anxious to talk that he waves his arms and simply thrusts himself into the conversation, regardless, that TONY is already talking. Good presenters never talk over their partner like Chris does. He is a smart person but needs some coaching on broadcasting with a partner.
Where is the link to the results?
Titleist Tour Speed just long Less $ Dash PV1X