Caddies shouldn’t be allowed on the greens or to advise on the upcoming putt. Slows down the game too much and removes a required skill from the player.
I have felt for years that golfers should not have caddies at all. I figured I was in the minority on this one. Force the golfer to make their own decisions. Sure, they will have a swing coach, etc before the tournament, but once the round starts, I feel it should be only the golfer.
No lines on balls, no caddie help. They have clock on hat when they get to ball it starts and players have that long to hit :). They can hold epic Cheba Hut grub for players that’s it.
Speed Golf - I don't wear a glove when i'm putting - ever. Wearing a glove putting makes it more difficult to make sure my hands are gripping the putter the same each time. The ProV1 Yellow is a great fit for me and my swing along with my current bag of clubs AND the yellow cover is easier for me to follow in flight and spot on fairway, green, rough, etc. I have confidence in it. Mr Caddy PhD. - Carry the bag, shot advisor, steadying force, unfair advantage? Does a caddy help speed up play or actually slow it down? Interesting thought, give a PGA Tour Pro a push cart and a laser range finder and they're just like me. I kinda like that. I would miss the caddy's though.
I mentioned this in the forum, but didn’t get much response/traction, so I’ll bring it here too. Has MGS, or any one of the testers here, ever done a performance comparison of the same club head-to-head new versus used. I’m talking same manufacturer, same model, same loft, same shaft, same grip, same everything but a New/10 version versus a Like New/9, version versus a Good/8 version versus an Average/7 version versus a Poor/6 or below version? I am very intrigued to see if condition effects performance and at what level (if any) does it drop off and how it correlates to price savings/reductions (which I know many members here would be interested in). Is there a difference for performance drop off by condition for drivers/woods versus irons or wedges (I’m sure used wedges would have to be less effective since they tell us to replace them after 75 rounds right?)? It would be interesting to see if $150-$250 less for the exact same driver and upwards of $500 less for the exact same used irons perform as well or nearly as well as the brand new ones.
I had the old Mizuno balls. In fact I have 1.5 dozen in a closet somewhere. After the last NPG I bought a dozen of the RB TourX and they’re one of the best balls I’ve played. Where I play I won’t find any in the woods but then again, if someone finds one they’ll know it’s mine. As far as caddies, I think they should give yardage and weather conditions. Other than that no advice should be given. Plus enforce slow play by giving stroke penalties.
I AGREE!!! If you are a PRO why have a caddy. I would like to see one or two tournaments where there is no caddy and they can figure this themselves. I think this clearly shows who is the best Player in golf and they need to navigate the course, id what club to hit and read the greens.
So if yellow makes a statistically significant difference to white, could the split colour balls like the tour divide potentially cause issues to players depending on how the orientation of ball on fairway/tee?
I've been using the white/yellow Z Star Divide for over a year. No question it helps with alignment on the tee and putting green. On the fairway?---I don't even notice, but since I'm usually the only one in my group playing this, it quickly helps me determine which ball is mine !
@@tomlassar1089 I was thinking more along the lines of if you were hitting the yellow side you'd come up shorter than if you got the white side. And spin rates differing, or even causing dispersion issues. Probably so minor it would never be noticed out on the course, but if you've a swing robot free it might be an interesting test. I'm all for identifying your own ball quickly, I use yellow for that too like your divide one. They must look cool on little chips where you can see them spinning!
DSG has REALLY upped their game on the yellow Maxfli balls for 2023. I'm blown away at how much more durable the finish is. I presently have a Tour that I've played on my last 43 holes - hitting 3 trees, three cart paths - and coming out of a few sand traps. It looks nearly new. The old model shedded paint if you looked sideways at it. I'd go as far as to say that the new Yellow is more durable than the new white. The Yellow Pro V1 seems nearly indestructible.
Good to see Adam on the Tube. Got to get your hat Chris! Caddies should be the electric gizmo that follows you around. Nobody gives me advise on the course. And Mizuno balls are pretty damn good!
I agree. Couldn't tell you how many times I've missed a putt on an unfamiliar course and said afterwards, "Can you believe that putt didn't break?" A caddie would have taken that element of the game away.
Give the guys push carts and send out some forecaddies to find balls and rake bunkers. Just for one event, even on a lower tier tour just to see how it goes. Also let them have rangefinders and wear shorts. The time was 15 years ago.
Love the pairing idea... but I'm not sure it can be simply taken off the paper. Would it be worth having testers try different combos to see if the simple math holds up in real life? For example, if you take the 3 longest drivers and test each with the 3 longest balls, will the expected rankings hold?
Have you ever considered a full bag setup series based on swing speed like you do for the ball testing.. ie, X ball is best for a bag set up of X Driver, X Irons, X wedges for a player whose driver swing speed is XX and broken down even further for Distance, Forgiveness, etc..
Love the idea of getting the caddies off the green. Aim point is slowing the game down enough but the caddies straddling the line for every 3 footer is out of control.
It's not the caddy slowing the player down...A slow player will probably be slower without a caddy. I truly think fast players will always be fast----Slow players will always be slow.
Curious specifically to see Yellow tests for Srixon Z series and Bridgestone B series since they have the most clout and use on Tour as the yellow options from Fred Couples, Ernie Els, Hideki (for a quiet flash of a minute) etc.
Once again you missed any mention of the Wilson Tour Model. You tested it. Your numbers say it deserves mention. 3 for 2 sale. Srixon Diamond this year - you could pick up two doz for the price of one.
Certainly mentioned it and have often stated/touted the performance of Wilson balls...for this one, we went with our top pick in each given category. If we went with a top 3-5 in each category, Wilson would have been in there.
Those players do whatever works best for them...and I'd tend to put more stock in the other 9,423,435 golfers who have played professionally over the last 100 years....add to that competitive amateurs, collegiate players, etc....and it's pretty clear that while outliers will exist, there's a reason that we call them outliers.
@koltonwood5984 Slows down pace, plus walking near someone's line is essentially cheating- grooving a path to the hole depending on condition of greens
I paid my high school tuition caddying, so I am “pro caddy.” However, I feel strongly the tours should do away with green reading books and yardage books. Make the pros calculate their distances from the markings on the sprinkler heads and give them 30 seconds from the time they teach their ball to make their calculations AND play their shot, because a round of golf should never take more than 4 hours…period!
I finished 2nd at Harbor Town during a Golfweek major to a guy who hired a course caddy. I lost by 1 stroke, and absolutely saw the caddy lining him up on every putt. He even argued with the caddy a couple of times, but still used the caddy's read. I know I would have won but not for the caddy.
Great question - In general, I'd like to think it would help speed things up on the course (monologue should be quicker than a dialogue), but in general, slow players are going to be slow regardless and the opposite is equally true.
Not sure but on a different topic I’ve always wondered why the pros have that big ass pocket to carry that bulky yardage book when it can easily fit into the caddies bib or somewhere..that just seems to be a real bother but I guess not. They even have pants specifically made with oversized pockets..
I am willing to be a Sub 70 putter tester. I have been on the look for "the best putter" for a couple of years now. However, I play left-handed. I hope that would not eliminate my qualification to test.
Are the results from the ball testing posted? If so, where? I love G.S. it was a great idea and it helps so many golfers. Cross country is a very tough sport. There is no one cheering you on except at the starting line and the finish. Mentally tough sport.
Are the green reading books banned or was that just for the Masters this year? I haven’t seen many pros using them much this year now that I think about it. Definitely should not be allowed.
Straighter golf balls… please tell us which balls are straighter. This info will help at least 95% of golfers shoot lower scores. And lower score might mean rounds of golf take a few minutes less time for everyone as an added benefit! So, which balls go straighter?
The caddie's service of reading greens for a golfer is a tradition that stretches back at least two hundred years. It should stay. The real reason everyone is currently upset is mostly due to the use of AimPoint. You take a caddie for their preexisting knowledge of, or their ability to read greens. That's a fair practice. Allowing the player AND their caddy to use a new measurement practice that is effectively using the human body as a measuring tool should be restricted just like the use of a level or restricted to the player's use only. If the caddie and player have preexisting knowledge and want to use it, fine, thats a tradition that's been in place for 200 years. Using a measurement system that eats up everyone's time and possibly adds more stress to the area around the hole should be stopped or restricted.
Interesting thoughts here....but if you're going to allow caddies to read greens b/c that's how it's traditionally been done, I don't think you can restrict the method by which they decide to read the greens...reading the greens "with your feet" isn't a new concept at all - someone just had the foresight to create a system around it, package it and sell it.
If you dont think caddies should help players read greens you don’t travel much… the entire game is played on the greens and a good caddie makes or breaks the experience. Adam’s first point is that no one thinks about their reason if they disagree with him. He’s a total DB… no talent no clue.
Caddies shouldn’t be allowed on the greens or to advise on the upcoming putt. Slows down the game too much and removes a required skill from the player.
Love the idea of no caddies 👍 very interesting which players would thrive and which would drop away 🧐
I have felt for years that golfers should not have caddies at all. I figured I was in the minority on this one. Force the golfer to make their own decisions. Sure, they will have a swing coach, etc before the tournament, but once the round starts, I feel it should be only the golfer.
No lines on balls, no caddie help. They have clock on hat when they get to ball it starts and players have that long to hit :). They can hold epic Cheba Hut grub for players that’s it.
Love seeing Adam back on the channel !👍
I like the most forgiving/accurate driver ball combination
Speed Golf - I don't wear a glove when i'm putting - ever. Wearing a glove putting makes it more difficult to make sure my hands are gripping the putter the same each time.
The ProV1 Yellow is a great fit for me and my swing along with my current bag of clubs AND the yellow cover is easier for me to follow in flight and spot on fairway, green, rough, etc. I have confidence in it.
Mr Caddy PhD. - Carry the bag, shot advisor, steadying force, unfair advantage? Does a caddy help speed up play or actually slow it down? Interesting thought, give a PGA Tour Pro a push cart and a laser range finder and they're just like me. I kinda like that. I would miss the caddy's though.
I mentioned this in the forum, but didn’t get much response/traction, so I’ll bring it here too.
Has MGS, or any one of the testers here, ever done a performance comparison of the same club head-to-head new versus used. I’m talking same manufacturer, same model, same loft, same shaft, same grip, same everything but a New/10 version versus a Like New/9, version versus a Good/8 version versus an Average/7 version versus a Poor/6 or below version?
I am very intrigued to see if condition effects performance and at what level (if any) does it drop off and how it correlates to price savings/reductions (which I know many members here would be interested in).
Is there a difference for performance drop off by condition for drivers/woods versus irons or wedges (I’m sure used wedges would have to be less effective since they tell us to replace them after 75 rounds right?)?
It would be interesting to see if $150-$250 less for the exact same driver and upwards of $500 less for the exact same used irons perform as well or nearly as well as the brand new ones.
I had the old Mizuno balls. In fact I have 1.5 dozen in a closet somewhere. After the last NPG I bought a dozen of the RB TourX and they’re one of the best balls I’ve played. Where I play I won’t find any in the woods but then again, if someone finds one they’ll know it’s mine.
As far as caddies, I think they should give yardage and weather conditions. Other than that no advice should be given. Plus enforce slow play by giving stroke penalties.
I AGREE!!! If you are a PRO why have a caddy.
I would like to see one or two tournaments where there is no caddy and they can figure this themselves. I think this clearly shows who is the best Player in golf and they need to navigate the course, id what club to hit and read the greens.
Shaft/Head combos for Irons at different speeds and different angle of attacks.
On the caddie topic... Why does the QB get 70 yards passing on a 5-yard out route when the WR ran the other 65 yards?
I have always putt with a glove on. I like the feel.
I think Jack did ok with that method
Even Matt Kuchar hired a local caddie at Mayakoba. Worked out great for him, just not the caddie.
Oh yea I remember all the flack he got for that 🤣🤣
So if yellow makes a statistically significant difference to white, could the split colour balls like the tour divide potentially cause issues to players depending on how the orientation of ball on fairway/tee?
I've been using the white/yellow Z Star Divide for over a year. No question it helps with alignment on the tee and putting green. On the fairway?---I don't even notice, but since I'm usually the only one in my group playing this, it quickly helps me determine which ball is mine !
@@tomlassar1089 I was thinking more along the lines of if you were hitting the yellow side you'd come up shorter than if you got the white side. And spin rates differing, or even causing dispersion issues. Probably so minor it would never be noticed out on the course, but if you've a swing robot free it might be an interesting test.
I'm all for identifying your own ball quickly, I use yellow for that too like your divide one. They must look cool on little chips where you can see them spinning!
DSG has REALLY upped their game on the yellow Maxfli balls for 2023. I'm blown away at how much more durable the finish is. I presently have a Tour that I've played on my last 43 holes - hitting 3 trees, three cart paths - and coming out of a few sand traps. It looks nearly new. The old model shedded paint if you looked sideways at it. I'd go as far as to say that the new Yellow is more durable than the new white. The Yellow Pro V1 seems nearly indestructible.
Sorry to bother you, but if you would tell me the exact ball to look for, I am very interested in trying it. Thank you!
Maxfli Tour CG@@jeromekemmer8148
Good to see Adam on the Tube. Got to get your hat Chris! Caddies should be the electric gizmo that follows you around. Nobody gives me advise on the course. And Mizuno balls are pretty damn good!
I haven't worn a golf glove in over 20 years
Never really liked the caddie tradition, always believed it takes something away from the players skill
Where are you buying your Kirkland balls I can buy them in store right now for 27.99$ for 2 dozen!?
On the caddie discussion…guess Matt Kuchar was already ahead of the curve when his Mexican caddie wasn’t worth at least 7% after the win?
When are the wet ball results going to be released?
Why is your podcast feed not showing new episodes? Spotify and Pocket Casts both show your last episode as August 23rd.
I agree. Couldn't tell you how many times I've missed a putt on an unfamiliar course and said afterwards, "Can you believe that putt didn't break?" A caddie would have taken that element of the game away.
Give the guys push carts and send out some forecaddies to find balls and rake bunkers. Just for one event, even on a lower tier tour just to see how it goes.
Also let them have rangefinders and wear shorts. The time was 15 years ago.
Love the pairing idea... but I'm not sure it can be simply taken off the paper. Would it be worth having testers try different combos to see if the simple math holds up in real life? For example, if you take the 3 longest drivers and test each with the 3 longest balls, will the expected rankings hold?
Have you ever considered a full bag setup series based on swing speed like you do for the ball testing.. ie, X ball is best for a bag set up of X Driver, X Irons, X wedges for a player whose driver swing speed is XX and broken down even further for Distance, Forgiveness, etc..
Love this idea!!
Love the idea of getting the caddies off the green. Aim point is slowing the game down enough but the caddies straddling the line for every 3 footer is out of control.
It's not the caddy slowing the player down...A slow player will probably be slower without a caddy.
I truly think fast players will always be fast----Slow players will always be slow.
I don't think caddies should out there doing aim point and taking practice puts with wedges like I been seeing on tour. It's a joke.
Top Flite Bombs are the best value golf ball. No joke!
So are Vice golf balls..well worth trying
Curious specifically to see Yellow tests for Srixon Z series and Bridgestone B series since they have the most clout and use on Tour as the yellow options from Fred Couples, Ernie Els, Hideki (for a quiet flash of a minute) etc.
Hell they shouldn’t have caddies at all
Once again you missed any mention of the Wilson Tour Model. You tested it. Your numbers say it deserves mention. 3 for 2 sale. Srixon Diamond this year - you could pick up two doz for the price of one.
They spoke about Wilson right at the start, they glossed over the ball but they did mention it
Certainly mentioned it and have often stated/touted the performance of Wilson balls...for this one, we went with our top pick in each given category. If we went with a top 3-5 in each category, Wilson would have been in there.
I never putt with a glove but for some reason always chip with one. It just feels weird to me with no glove for some reason.
Lucas Glover, Fred Couples, and Ben Hogan all disagree with your very flawed golf glove test.
Outliers shouldn't dictate the norm though
Those players do whatever works best for them...and I'd tend to put more stock in the other 9,423,435 golfers who have played professionally over the last 100 years....add to that competitive amateurs, collegiate players, etc....and it's pretty clear that while outliers will exist, there's a reason that we call them outliers.
Take the no caddy one step further.
No ball alignment on putts. Aligning your bodybover the put is part of the game.
I putt with a glove Great video guys
Did you do any matte ball testing?
Yes it’s in the ball review. Matte balls are not ranked highly.
@@ekinjtizll I don’t see any data, just observations at best.
Kirkland balls are bigger in diameter than pro v or maxfli, many more lip outs because of the size difference..
Never heard that before 🤔🤔
Caddies should not be allowed to... AIMPOINT! 🤬
@koltonwood5984 Slows down pace, plus walking near someone's line is essentially cheating- grooving a path to the hole depending on condition of greens
@koltonwood5984 sounds like a guy who can read greens but not make putts
I paid my high school tuition caddying, so I am “pro caddy.” However, I feel strongly the tours should do away with green reading books and yardage books. Make the pros calculate their distances from the markings on the sprinkler heads and give them 30 seconds from the time they teach their ball to make their calculations AND play their shot, because a round of golf should never take more than 4 hours…period!
@@jmf54 hell ya. 🤘
Talking about Wilson irons and no mention of our old friend Harry. Wow
Jack's caddie simply carried the bag. He never asked him what club should he hit. And that's from his son who carried his bag in 1986 Masters.
I never knew that before..I’m sure he at least gave Jack the yardages
Caddies do a great job.
Show up, keep up, and shut up! That was Jack's job description fir a caddy.
On my opinion pro golfers should carry or push theyre own bag/clubs. No caddies at all. Just themselves.... Just like Tennis players.
I finished 2nd at Harbor Town during a Golfweek major to a guy who hired a course caddy. I lost by 1 stroke, and absolutely saw the caddy lining him up on every putt. He even argued with the caddy a couple of times, but still used the caddy's read. I know I would have won but not for the caddy.
My Wilson Zips cut through the wind, but prob in my imagination...
Do you think not having caddies would speed up or slow down play?
Great question - In general, I'd like to think it would help speed things up on the course (monologue should be quicker than a dialogue), but in general, slow players are going to be slow regardless and the opposite is equally true.
Not sure but on a different topic I’ve always wondered why the pros have that big ass pocket to carry that bulky yardage book when it can easily fit into the caddies bib or somewhere..that just seems to be a real bother but I guess not. They even have pants specifically made with oversized pockets..
I am willing to be a Sub 70 putter tester. I have been on the look for "the best putter" for a couple of years now. However, I play left-handed. I hope that would not eliminate my qualification to test.
Are the results from the ball testing posted? If so, where? I love G.S. it was a great idea and it helps so many golfers. Cross country is a very tough sport. There is no one cheering you on except at the starting line and the finish. Mentally tough sport.
Go farther,power carts for the senior tour,shorts optional and ban green reading books.
Are the green reading books banned or was that just for the Masters this year? I haven’t seen many pros using them much this year now that I think about it. Definitely should not be allowed.
Caddies should be sequestered someplace off the greens, Pace of play would improve improve.
Straighter golf balls… please tell us which balls are straighter. This info will help at least 95% of golfers shoot lower scores. And lower score might mean rounds of golf take a few minutes less time for everyone as an added benefit! So, which balls go straighter?
The caddie's service of reading greens for a golfer is a tradition that stretches back at least two hundred years. It should stay. The real reason everyone is currently upset is mostly due to the use of AimPoint. You take a caddie for their preexisting knowledge of, or their ability to read greens. That's a fair practice. Allowing the player AND their caddy to use a new measurement practice that is effectively using the human body as a measuring tool should be restricted just like the use of a level or restricted to the player's use only. If the caddie and player have preexisting knowledge and want to use it, fine, thats a tradition that's been in place for 200 years. Using a measurement system that eats up everyone's time and possibly adds more stress to the area around the hole should be stopped or restricted.
Interesting thoughts here....but if you're going to allow caddies to read greens b/c that's how it's traditionally been done, I don't think you can restrict the method by which they decide to read the greens...reading the greens "with your feet" isn't a new concept at all - someone just had the foresight to create a system around it, package it and sell it.
Everytime I see players using aimpoint I know the round will take extra time. Game on TV is already too long. Outlaw it!
Michael Jordan don’t need no advice to call his B-ball shots
Disagree on the caddies. It’s one of the few “team” aspects of the game. Everyone can benefit from bouncing ideas of a trusted person
When are they gonna put a tracker in the ball? Waste so much time looking for the damn ball
That why Lee Trevino was one of the best he clubbed himself and putted no one helped him
If you dont think caddies should help players read greens you don’t travel much… the entire game is played on the greens and a good caddie makes or breaks the experience.
Adam’s first point is that no one thinks about their reason if they disagree with him. He’s a total DB… no talent no clue.