Indian Is WORSE Than Harley! Here's Why...
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Papa yam.. I dont mean to offend but at 4:53 I believe you mistakenly said "168cc" but meant "1868cc"
Tried one, was like waking around with a piece of ceramic tile in my pocket.
But Yammie Noob your late to the party. Ridge wallets are awesome and replaced my leather one 6 months ago...
Indian a premium over Harley buddy
Hellbent wallet dawg
If my Harley ever starts leaking coolant, something is horribly, horribly wrong. Oil, sure. Fuel, maybe. But if coolant ever comes out of my very air-cooled Harley, I will have some questions.
Yeah coolant pfffft. This guys definitely a noob.
I did have a oil cooler for my 99 sporty but that was just oil going through a air filter
You’re aware that Harley does make water cooled bikes right?
The vrod has always been. And the new touring bikes are water cooled since 2017
@@jeckwhite9099 yep, and everything else started making the switch in 2014. I was just talking about mine specifically, which is not a vrod, and is an older model.
Jeck White correct! The M8s have water cooling passages built into the heads.
The Indian dealership where I bought my Scout gave me all kinds of swag (including a shirt), played my song of choice over the speakers, and revved a few motorcycles in the showroom while I rang a bell. It was pretty awesome. He completely failed to mention the Indian Motorcycle Riders Group (Indian's version of HOG). Lastly, I don't know where he bought his motorcycles or compared prices but my Scout was a better value than anything comparable that Harley had. I'm pretty sure he just did this video to get views and comments. Well, it worked.
I cant stand to look at a scout closer than 20ft. Pictures were great. In person it looks really cheap. Like Taiwan cheap
Literally every single motorcycle dealership does that
When I bought my Chieftain DH this summer, they were running a special and I got $750 worth of free apparel and parts.
I didn't get my song played but , got some shirts and a vest and a killer bobber
Took my new Challenger by the finance guy's house (for the local HD dealer) and he said there's no way HD could have come close on price.
If Harley's the standard, thank God there's competition.
if Biden is the answer, it must be a stupid question.
Have a 2017 Ultra, one of the best bikes I've owned
@@mikewheeler3994 still junk....
Deep down we know u secretly want a Harley. It’s ok. We understand…
@@hunterbidenscrackdealer3753 I'm pretty sure what he meant was competition is the way to progression. back then GM was top dog, almost untouchable. they got complacent and started putting out plastic shit boxes.
if the Japanese didn't come in and took them on they wouldn't go to drastic measures to make better quality products
"every bike breaks down eventually"
*except for Goldwings.*
The only way they "breakdown" is not being ridden but my God are they willing to come back to life for more! (Picked up a 75 that sat for 20 years, thing was seized but came back with some work by a rather inexperienced backyard mechanic....me)
Not true from a former goldwing owner. Mine broke and I know many others that have. 😢
Thanks Yammie,
I went out and bought an Indian Scout because of you. Most incredible motorcycle I have ever owned and ridden.
Now he’s telling you they suck. 🤦🏽♂️ and he’s riding one I think. 🤦🏽♂️. Love my scout. Going for the bagger next summer. Harley stands for hardly working & running. And a lot of throttle play. Don’t care what Harley you got!!
@@IsmailiaSix It is ok when you work harder and apply yourself more you can quit telling yourself you love your fake Indian. Ugly ass motor, ugly ass bad copy of the HD lineup with the only difference is the designer just had to keep putting bits and bobs on that bullshit bike. I get it ll you got is using the it doesn't run of the AMF days but HDs run really well now and the AMF days were part of the long stretch Indian wasn't around. Including today because those aren't Indians my man Indians ceased to exist in 1953. The "Indians" are a plastic facsimile of Harleys for guys who have to go around the internet and tell you why their Indians are so amazing. They just aren't. They could be better than your old lady at ATM, blow dollar bills out the exhaust and I still wouldn't be seen on one of those lady bikes. Now go back get your GED apply yourself, make some money so your own family respects you a little bit and STFU.
I hate the Indian scout. By no means am I a Harley fan boy. Yes I have a 2017 HD breakout but I’m not biased. I actually want a challenger dark horse in the near future. That being said, my friend bought a scout bobber and sold it within 6 months. wait until you have to change a battery. Also you can’t jumpstart a scout. suspension is garbage as well and the seat is terrible.
@@MrLunchHour2 my battery was really easy to change lol. Also jump if needed
@@MrLunchHour2 Changing a battery scared you away from the scout? I hope it didn't get your skirt dirty.
I'm actually confused with this video. I fully support critiquing indian because that's how you end up with a better product at the end of the day.... but alot of this video was just points that were not true at all or straight opinions that come from a harley salesman
Especially when he said "It just ain't a Harley"
Thats kinda what this video series is about. You can't think too much into it, theres a video for every brand and why it sucks, with just fun or arbitrary points not meant to be taken seriously. Just fun content to meme about.
@@ottovonjizzmark9864 it ain't
Also, the Challenger comes with leds all the way around, remote locking saddle bags and 3 rider modes for the same price as the basic roadglide. Win Indian.
This video made me unsubscribe.
This video only made me solidify the fact that I'm buying a Scout Bobber in the spring lol
Do it! The Scout is priced pretty much the same a the Sportster. Wich most people compare too. When another Scout 60 is the closer bike.
Just took delivery of my Scout Bobber 3 weeks ago. I’m 50, have owned over 10 bikes and couldn’t be happier.
Great bike. Ive got a 2020 scout and couldnt be happier.
dont do it theres no resale value in that bike?
Got mine this spring. Yea buddy!!
Despite some valid points, there is so much bias in this video it makes me feel sad for its maker. In 2021 I'd rather ride a Chieftain of a Challenger than their H-D counterparts and I'm running a Harley Custom bike shop... At the end of the day test ride both, get the one you like the most, whatever the reason, period...
I’m a Harley tech for over 20 years now and trust me when I tell you Harley has major design flaws. Harleys major design flaw is the single pin crank that is pressed together and is prone to failure by the flywheels twisting or pinching on the rods. I have studied the Indian 111 now a 116 and the water cooled challenger and they are way better engineered! All that being said please don’t stop buying Harleys because I need a job and Harleys breaking down keeping me employed! If all I had to work on were Indians I wouldn’t have a job because they are super reliable and I’d just be sitting around like the Maytag man.
hahahaha
Thanks for being honest. You might get hungry for lack of work but you'll sleep good.
An an Indian owner, I came with the mindset that we all have to laugh at ourselves once in a while. I get the spirit of the video but I couldn't help but notice a lot of these talking points are not accurate. The Chief is solo but the cruiser class also has the Vintage which is equipped for a pillion. The Challenger starts at $21,999 whereas the top-of-the-line Limited and Dark Horse models start at $27,999. This is similar between HD's standard and Special models. The Challenger has a 108 and not a 106. Despite it having the smallest engine of the big Indians, it is unquestionably the most powerful. Just a little more time on the Googles would have paid dividends here.
Yeah he's clueless!!
@@tmar0075 He's a tool.
@@TheOriginalArcticEd so true brother!!😀
This kid is a douche, 42 years on HD and I bought a Roadmaster. Everything I wanted, but my 49 pan has owned me for 36 plus years and its still the best.
@@railroad7401 love the old school bikes...nice 😀
"Harley set the standard." So did Ford but much better brands followed. Harley's issues created the Japanese motorcycle industry. I rode a Yamaha 1100 in the 70's and 80's while my friends all rode Harleys. I spent so many hours sunning myself on the side of a highway watching them trying to get their bikes to run or trying to find the part that fell off. Just about every Harley "innovation" came about 10 years after it was on a Japanese or European bike, so they have no right to get condescending. Harleys are the beautiful blonde you marry that can't cook, clean, work or f__k.
Right I do the same thing on my Indian while the broke down harleys figure out where’s the nearest Harley dealer.
But just think of all the guys that were
inspired to become Bike mechanics!!
If bikes never broke down, there would be
no need for bike mechanics. Bikes would
be disposable n no improvements would be
developed. That's why there are tons of
aftermarket parts available for Harley's. They
can be improved, and made to go faster, if that's your thing. The ground is just as hard at
50mph as it is at 200mph... 🧐
Honda had a hydraulic clutch on the 83 Goldwing.
@@kacowboy there are kits to put hydraulic clutches on any bike over 250 cc,i've seen em,,you can even put a draw thru turbo charger on engines down to 50cc,the 21st century is going to kill the gasoline engine motorcycle,but it will have no effect on mine,as i will raise the compression and burn whisky
@@strattuner that is true but I am not talking about aftermarket. Duh
I'll never own a Harley again...
This guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about
As an actual Indian owner I was actually interested to see this video, but so much is really wrong in this video that it wasn’t even an interesting watch. And that has nothing to do with indian or Harley, just not even getting facts right or conveniently leaving out facts. Like not even mentioning that the challenger is water cooled, only focusing on the displacement. Or forgetting that indian has offered “cruiser” options but people opt to buy the ones with the bags(since it’s the same bike underneath and you can take the bags off and have you’re cruiser whenever you want) so they’ve stopped offering the stripped down versions(though yea they do need a more middle weight option). And forgetting that the vintage darkhorse was just a Chief darkhorse last year, so now you get the bags with it, instead focused on what you don’t get from a different model(the vintage started as just a Chief with a couple extras added, vintage darkhorse did the same thing). Also specifically knocking the vintage darkhorse for not having passenger seat(while showing one with a passenger seat) even though the Harley deluxe doesn’t come with a passenger seat nor does the electraglide standard(both of which are also “only” a 107 for barely less than the vintage darkhorse). And to even start with Indians prices while never mentioning harleys CVO is just ridiculous(and if you’re comparing top trims that would be the comparison, you even say fanciest version then don’t use the fanciest version because it would make Harley look stupid). And again never mentioning that the challengers 106(which is actually a 108 not 106 as stated here) is a water cooled engine just comparing displacement. And not mentioning that the reason Harley aftermarket is so large and you can build a sportster at home is because their bikes haven’t really changed in decades. That’s not really a good thing. Plus the challenger has barely been out a year, of course there’s not going to be much aftermarket for it. And from experience riding with harleys, nobody mistakes my indian for a Harley and every ride people ignore the harleys and praise the indian. If anything every Harley looks exactly alike so nobody cares anymore. Can’t even remember the last time I saw a Harley that wasn’t white or black out on the road. I like both brands and enjoy the banter between them, but this video just didn’t do either side justice really. To me just made Harley owners look worse. Trying to trump harley up by leaving out facts from both sides and misleading/wrong information. Most of this is just conjecture and bias. If you’re going to make a video like this at least make it worth it. Again, I enjoy the banter from both sides of it, so this isn’t just an Indian owner being biased(unlike this video clearly being a Harley owner being biased). Just get all the facts and get them right before just picking and choosing what makes Harley sound better. Then go ahead and make a video about indian sucking. If you do it right I’ll enjoy it even with being an Indian owner. But this wasn’t enjoyable.
Nobody is reading this long ass cry baby comment.
You can keep all of that fisher price chrome, and all of that crappy plastic. You can keep all of the rusty parts too. Every bike is overpriced, but Indian wants way too much money for these crappy bikes.
@@John-td5lu what insight
Stopped at my local Indian dealer today to check out the Challenger and Chieftain Dark Horse. Gorgeous bikes. And I was amazed by how many used Harley's they had for sale. That is saying something.
both nice bike
Can’t say I’ve ever been into a Harley dealership where anyone actually greeted me let alone tried selling me a bike. I’ve been into at least 3 where everyone just sat around on their phones
exactly....Harley dealers treat new customers terrible.
and they just talk shit about indians, and insult you right to your face
Last week Spite: Indian is the best Amerocan Manufacturer.
This week Spite: Harleys are better than Indian!
Lose the pandering we all know which is better....
probably got hate from the harley crowd. Wouldn't be surprised.
Some of the things he said are true though, but hardly goes against Indian.
Honda?
@@patrickdecambra2219 honda's not american if thats what yer askin
@@whiskey6964 what difference does it make where the manufacturer has his Corporation plenty of Hondas are built right here in the United States
@@patrickdecambra2219 what i meant was the Honda was founded in the united states so its not an american company, im not hating on honda, i know theyre a good brand
I bought a new 1994 Harley FLSTN and rode it for 20 years, I had many service issues with it, but fortunately my son was a Harley mechanic and took care of them for me. The engine gave out at 100,000 miles. My son put a new engine in for me. I took a demo ride on a 2014 Indian Chieftain and loved the ride & power. I gave the Harley to my son and bought the Chieftain and have added the 2 stage exhaust, air cleaner and cams. It is the best riding bike I have ever ridden and the power is hot. I had my Harley up to 100 mph and seen other Harley’s at similar speed and it looks very scary and feels scary feeling the suspension getting a speed wobble. I have had my Indian up to 140 mph and it feels & rides stable and smooth. I am 78 years old tomorrow and still riding.
Happy belated birthday! You're an inspiration.
You are the first person that created a post that addresses the reliability question between the two bikes. I would guess that Indian would try to outsell harkey davidson by creating a slightly more reliable bike.
I jumped to Indian from HD. Never really had any issues with my HD’s. My Challenger has been in the shop 5 times in one year. Still has some “phantom” issues. Not really happy, but taking such a big loss in trade isn’t feasible. And just a side note, the Challenger starts to shut down @ 114.
@@chiefjoseph8154 Bad break with that one.
Lol bro, I’m all for calling companies out on their bullshit but bro... please tell me this whole video is a joke. You didn’t even compare the like models between the two brands. Let alone you quoted an almost maxed out version of the Challenger as their entry level bike. 😂
I had a 2015 Chieftain until recently and every where I went I got complements. On a group ride a few years ago my IMRG chapter pulled into a bar and grill as we were dismounting our bike a group of Harley riders across the street pulled out their cell phones and started taking pictures. Each one of the Indian motorcycle looked different. Most of the Harleys were black and looked very much the same. Loved the Indian so much I just purchased a 2021 Roadmaster, and love it. Its a head turner too.
Never have I ever heard someone claim "The dealership experience" as a reason to buy a motorcycle.
I actually just bought a Triumph from a HD/Triumph dealership solely because the experience at the dealership was better. I was originally buying a kawasaki z650 but the salespeople were absolute tools so I decided to go with the Triumph instead. I understand not everyone is going to have the same bike purchasing experience but for me I just bought from the salesman who treated me better.
It actually makes a difference for people on the fence, a lot of time the better experience is the deciding factor in the buying process.
@@Jakekimchthat's understandable.
@@millennialmalaise9386 I get that, but why have it on a list talking about the cons of Indian and pros of Harley, when it's such a minor aspect?
I bought mine during covid so didn’t get the bell ringing music playing experience lol
What does Harley have today that can go up against an FTR 1200. That "small 1200" will smoke every stock model in the Harley lineup for less money and look better doing it.
warlok9 Damn straight way better looking than anything Harley has to offer.
Low rider S. 119ft-lbs
@JP Rides i guess if you rank all bikes in some sort of 0-60 world. But thats barely a sliver of how most people use a bike. The Livewire is the only Hog thats even similar to this Indian. Lets race it across country with a Dyna.....
the new 1,100 honda rebel gets my vote hahahaha
@@randymarks4011 Moto Guzzi MGX 1400 gets mine.
How basic to think everyone has a top speed as their main priority in a bike. Simps will be simps.
Indian started in Springfield MASSACHUSETTS NOT Illinois. You’ve invalidated your entire review. Do your research.
In Indian's defense, the Scout Bobber is a better bike than anything Harley makes.
its a absolutely beautiful bike
100%
The bobber is a great bike, except for its (stock) saddle.
@@micaw7108 everybody sooks about stock seats on nearly every bike.. iv grown up riding dirtbikes all day long and it never bothered me. I think you guys have just be spoiled by car seats or adv bikes
100% correct. spite is HD fanboy so yea he will say anything to justify and get a kick back
Sounds like one big Harley advertisement. Picking on a man's motorcycle is like picking on his wife
Better put down that soy lil fella Harley has been getting it for years. You’ll get used to it.
Someone picking on your motorcycle is worse then picking on your wife. My motorcycle always makes me happy!
Never heard that before but could not agree more.
Hebshits on everything. He is a fan boy with a youtube channel. The only reason anyone sees his videos is because he is attached to Yammies taint. If they where to separate he would be a floppy dong in the wind of failure.
@@OGBandit1 haha !!
"At the dealership, they threw a party for me and gave me a bunch of swag in return for making this video!"
You made this in 2020, Harley stopped using the Vtwin motor in 2018... With that 3 year off, easy known detail. What do you really know? LMFFFAAAOOO
This guy is just fan boying on harly and just hating indian
Pretty standard for Spite. "A competitor for Harley? Need to shit all over them to vidate all the money I've spent on Harley gear."
You mad
OMG, Papa Yam has dissed Harley in many videos. He even dissed the "Harley" rider and I took no offense.
Been on Harleys since the 80s as there was not an Indian option. Great to see another cruiser from the USA in the market now.
@@bugsbunny8239 bro iam not a indian fan but the way he is comparing bikes that's what I didn't like .He is just praising brand name harly than their bikes .no hate to harly iam a biker who want to try every type of riding .nice to meet u bruhhh
@@bugsbunny8239 dude iam a royal Enfield fan you don't know how many times they both dissed us .But I like this guys so much what to do😁😁😁😁
Wow, the Harley Fan Boi is strong with this one. Spite forgot to mention all the gear with tassels you can pick up at all the Harley boutiques err, "dealerships". Harley, dressing like a pirate to show your individuality, just like everyone else.
@Hoinyack Yates .
He's not really a fanboy he had never even ridden a bike with forward controls until recently. He knows nothing about these types of bikes. He he raffles off bikes and that gets him traffic. It's just one of those internet things.
Easy there on the “showing individuality by looking like everybody else”. Although that is true to an extent with Harley riders, BMW riders are in a class by themselves on that one and own that award. And some may say the same with the crotch rocket riders in all their race gear (although most have never scrubbed a foot peg). The certain “look” just goes with certain styles. Nothing to pick on or make fun of (although we ALL do)
Yeah, but doesn’t that S&M flogger on the handlebar look badass?
@@blacnite7253 True, but only Harley riders look like butt pirates.
Just bought a 2021 indian springfield darkhorse sagebrush smoke with only 1500 miles (previous owner could not ride anymore because of lower back surgery) and I am in love with it, and this is from someone who has ridden sportbikes since 2011. It's incredibly comfortable and fast enough to get by any traffic situation or on the highway. Saving up to get the stage 1 camshaft set and forward intake with tune installed somewhere next month or the next. It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you enjoy it
Due to the fact that Harley-Davidson dealerships all want to rip off their clientele, no one but no one can buy a Harley-Davidson in good conscience. The Harley Corporation is willfully oblivious to this and it is destroying their business. I have the scars myself.
Pathetic. I’ve tested every single Indian and Victory in production as a former employee of Polaris. (I’m now an RN) I’ve tested many Harleys for direct comparison as well model for model. Not demo days, not hours, not days but months of test riding. Since 2014 HD been changing their depends trying to figure out how to keep up. Features, overall dependability, comfort, performance, bang for the buck are all there on the Indian showroom floor. If you’re going to shill for HD then just say it. I’m open about being an Indian guy as overall Indian makes a better motorcycle. Yeah Indian may not TOTALLY have the name and expansive apparel selection of HD, but the bikes speak for themselves. I used to be more diplomatic about this but I’m not in the industry anymore. My greatest enjoyment during my time in the business was when a Harley rider would trade in his Harley for an Indian. I don’t give a damn about a name. I approach it from a scientific perspective. If you want an overpriced name, underperforming bike by all means go Harley. If you want better performance, better balance and better price go indian.
And there’s a showroom full of HD’s at my Indian shop! And Don’t Mess With Texas!!
I’ve owned 3 HDs and can’t wait to try a Challenger. Love HD; but tired of the over-priced association (because “HD”) and the stupid little problems that are outrageou$ to fix.
Any company that would wrap a driveshaft in a piece of rubber and call it a carrier bearing doesn’t deserve to be in business. I’ll never own a Polaris product.
Ha! So far I have own 8 HD's. I use to own a Victory Cross Country and a Victory Judge. Nice bikes and very solid engine until Polaris kill the brand to focus on the Indian brand. Once they kill the Victory brand I trade both Victorys for two Harleys. Never again buying a Polaris product. Wait until they kill the Indian brand. Polaris just bought the Indian name/brand. The bikes are not really Indian Motorcycle like the original brand that die in 1953. They just make the engine to look like the original Indian bikes. No warranty they will not kill the brand. Harley-Davidson has been Harley-Davidson since 1903. You get an HD and pay high dollar because of the name and legendary tradition. Is as American as Apple pie. If I want cheap and reliable I will get me a Jap bike but it will never have the appeal of the HD brand.
@@robertbenz another salty victory boy choosing to look at the negative instead of the positive. Bruh victory lives on in indian motorcycles. The indian scout bobber is basically a victory octane and the challenger is a victory powerplant. They bought victory for their engine technology. Keeping two brands alive and separate would be a difficult money sink.
My sister got a 2019 Indian Springfield Dark Horse and 2 weeks later they gave her a 16"×30" mirror plaque with her name and a picture of her bike and date of purchase and other info. Also a leather Indian toolbag AND a t-shirt. No Harley buyer ever got that. Plus the bike is sexier, faster, smoother, and more unique than the equivalent Harley, if it existed.
I picked up a scout bobber and about a month or so later a package arrived full of stickers, pins, a shirt, and a canvas backpack. It was a nice and unexpected surprise.
You had me at your sister!? What da
You don't say the bike is faster because the Harley Davidson Road King Special has 100 horsepower but the Springfield Dark Horse is rated at 92 horsepower. No beef, both are great bikes but you can't say that the Springfield is faster. It may be at par in terms of performance.
I got a bookbag, a leather patch, a scout owner patch, a tshirt, an imrg patch and pin. My second indian I got 3 facemasks, sanitizer, sunscreen, tshirt, koozie, pen, 2 keychains, and a bunch of other trinkets from the dealer. Haven't got my second box yet though
try selling it, see how much value an used indian has compared to a Harley? try not to cry
I cant tell if its intentional trolling, or just pure laziness that resulted in so much misinformation and photos of different bikes than the ones your talking about
Harley had to beg the USA to put large displacement restrictions on imported bikes just to stay a float. Just saying
The challengers stock motor is more powerful than harleys biggest crate 131 motor.... huge oof. You danced around that real slick like.
Right? And the Scout 1100 puts out more power than a Road King while weighing in 300 lbs less
Challenger is 122hp at the crank... 128tq 131 gets 135hp 145tq on a Harley tuner. 155hp with a power vision. That’s at the wheel numbers too... what’s the challenger make at the wheel like 105? I don’t really know which one is better though. If the Harley has a 114 the challenger is more power and speed for sure. But in the end they will both be big baggers anyway... sport bike still gonna slap I found it challenger is 103hp/113tq the wheel
Wrong
Yeah!
Um no man thats just not true the 131 stage 4 is making 150ftlbs 140hp
7. H-D’s cruiser/softail line up is 11 versions of the same bike. Second, Challenger has a 108, not a 106, and it is water cooled which is why it is smaller. Puts out more power than H-D’s largest stock motor (117)(yes I’ve ridden both)
6. It actually starts at $23K. The road glide will scrape earlier than the Challenger. H-D does not include the electronics, but will gladly sell them to you for $2K. Challenger has higher wattage sound system with more clarity. There’s no way you did any research before this edgy nonsensical video.
5. Bought or sold, a brand is a brand. H-D would have died twice if no one took pity on them.
4. H-D Storefront and buying experience truly is pretty sweet. But then again, they sell “incomplete” bikes, so they need to soften up customers to make sure they come back and buy those accessories and better handlebars.
3. Literally no other manufacturer has (or needs) the aftermarket/factory part support of a Harley. Again, it’s because they always leave “something missing” on every model.
2. This argument gets old and is baseless. Cue list of bike manufacturers that don’t have immediate dealer support in every city in every state (sorry moto guzzi).
1. My niece thinks every sports car is a Lamborghini and every sports bike is a gixxer. What’s your point. 99 percent of unbiased riders taking a blind test of both brands will pick the Indian after their spine bottoms out, they don’t find the adjustable windshield switch, don’t find the saddlebag lock button, and have to go back to the H-D dealer because they didn’t pay for the Apple CarPlay “module”.
Bravo, well said.
I think they got paid for this commercial...
Yup, having recently made the choice to buy Indian these were my thoughts exactly. Knowing Yami I assume most of what he says is sarcasm but if he meant it, you points are exactly correct
I love the Indian dark horse series how dare he call us emo and edgy
I'm glad there are real keyboard warriors like you that help with idiots like this guy 😡... Perfect response. I left another comments in which I described this video as idiotic. And truly is... uninformed... Completely bias, very few facts.
Don't get me wrong.... Harley Davidson will always have a place in my heart...but as far as my garage.. Until they get the game together my garage belong to Indian... Or Polaris if someone wants to be technical.
I recently met an old man in his early 70s. He's a Goldwing man now, and all he said to me was "Take this lesson from me, because I wasted many years of my life riding Harleys"
What has always bothered me about Harley is for the price the brakes and suspension.
I'll just keep my 16yr old Honda It will soon be broken in.
True... true.
Honda sounds like Spartan man
I had a 02 vtx1800c and a 2011 kawasaki Voyager 1700 but got rid of both and bought a low mileage 15 cvo road glide ultra last yr and like it alot. Put 15k on it this yr and has been problem free and wife says its way more comfortable then my Voyager. Took out a 17 Road master too but wife liked the harley better.
Honda will never die, BUT they are kinda boring tbh, yet most of my exp was on their sport bikes. I have not yet graduated to cruisers.
Unlike the Hog which will probably just be "broken"
You’re forgetting one important point..! Indian makes the FTR, which trumps anything Harley Davidson has to offer. 👌🏻😂
and from where i’m sitting the scout bobber kills harley too only time harley wins is with old man cruisers
@@charlestoncooper5265 The new Revolution Max bikes will cure that soon.
@@zf4hp24 i mean the only model that would compete with indian that will have that engine is the bronx the pan america is going to be an adv bike and if i’m being honest it’s going to be really hard for them to break into that market
@@charlestoncooper5265 For the short term I was implying the "Custom", or whatever it'll be called. Supposedly 145HP. My hope is the Bronx and eventually a power cruiser to replace the V-Rod will come along with the more powerful engine.
@@zf4hp24 yeah but HD branching out always is a massive up hill battle don’t get me wrong i want them to do good competition is always good but they have a bad habit of retreating to their comfort zone like what they did with the vrod
I feel like a "includes paid promotion by Harley Davidson" label from such an infomercial.
Funny, I went riding with my uncle who rides a HD Breakout. He's spent big $ on customisation. We stopped for lunch and everyone who walked past was admiring my scout bobber.
Too true. I've owned Ducati, Triumph, Yamaha, and Indian bikes.
I've never had more compliments than while riding my 2021 Scout Bobber. Not even on the Ducati...
The challengers engine doesn’t need to have the biggest engine cuz that “smaller” engine is more powerful than their 116
Harley Davidson 116? That's a NEW one....News flash they dont make a 116!
Sundown Headsup he is referring to the 116 from Indian not Harley. The 109 engine has a better torque ratio over the 116.
@@snakeoil2182 Indian makes the 116. He's saying their smaller engine is actually more powerful than their biggest engine. The point being that displacement is not relevant in that argument. The Indian 108 puts out more than Harley's CVO 117 and is not far from the $6000+ 131 crate motor they just released.
*Other brand makes more powerful cruiser than Harley*
Harley people: "Nobody cares about power in cruisers"
*Harley makes obscenely large and expensive crate motor*
Harley people: "HAHA! TAKE THAT!"
@@aircooledgaming In all fairness, power doesn't matter in cruisers. Torque does. I like that Harley has put out a big bore engine, but if you want real performance from your Harley there's only one place to go and that's aftermarket. The 131 is an overpriced motor that underperforms so you can keep your factory warranty and keeps the EPA happy.
Get it tuned properly, and it runs cleaner, and more fuel efficient. I just don't get how the government gets important things so wrong. EPA controlled engines use more fuel, and pollute more than engines with a good tune. DOT helmets don't do shit to protect your noggin. You want a good helmet look for ECE or SNELL.
I’m just glad that there’s another American motorcycle company besides Harley so there can even be a comparison video
Victory?
@@DeCavalcante Oh, Victory... That poor wizened child.
They are a Canadian company
@@DeCavalcante OUCH
@@davehahn5639 no they're not.
Indian riders say if my bike breaks down while Harley riders say when my bike breaks down 😂
Owned Harley for 20 some years, my buddy owns Indian Chief for couple years. 2018 rolled around, I eventually was Intrigued, I went to Indian dealership and test drove the Chieftain. Fell in love! Traded my fatboy for 2019 Chieftain and never looked back. My Indian in every way is a better experience than all the Harley's I rode. I don't understand the disconnect with motorcyclists, they act like Ford and Chevy fanboys but wont try other bikes to even see if they like it, they just talk trash. Mind you, my buddy that had the Chief. He bought dyna glide this year and he loves it. Everyone likes something different and that's freaking awesome, lets stop talking shit about each others bike and ride like hell.
Did anyone else notice when he started talking about the Harley street glide he put up a picture of a road glide 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Also starts talking about the Indian not having passenger seat when they show the bike with a seat and foot boards. Then start talking about harley accessories while showing a Honda Shadow 🤦 YN needs some new editors lol
@@willl84 yeah, kinda undermines his credibility...
Yup!
And when showing the dash he showed the Street glide and not the road glide he had been showing. Every time I watch one of his videos it just confirms why I don't subscribe...
He don’t know, he’s a townie
Took forever to get to the content then the content was terrible 🤷🏼♂️
isnt this the dude that wrecked his bike too?
I agree, & I ride SCOOTERS .
yup over 2 minutes
He forgot to mention that HD has more letters in their name than Indian
I wish Harley came in mens sizes. Instead of that short little wheelbase. If your over 6 feet you’ll end up sitting on the tank. If you have a passenger it’s really cramped…
Nice how he can’t tell the difference between a Streetglide and a Roadglide and proved it five times in the video.
He was wrong on a ton, but i knew it was just satire to talk crap. Its fine everyone to there own. But what I do see is they envy in there eyes lol.
I like indian's more than harley
Ali Waleed and FTRs are really nice lookin bikes
Jorelplay ftr 1200 is one of the best bikes
@Tyler Staton ftr is one of the best bikes ever
@Tyler Staton 55 and ever had a bike. If i did have a harley, it would be the 60s or 70s models. Now, i would get an indian just because they arent the norm. I like different and unique.
I like chevys more than fords?
It was not Springfield IL it was Springfield MA, so maybe read a few books before doing a video. Isle of man win was a big thing at the time, as Canon Ball Baker did something remarkable. When he rode across country there was NO gas stations. You bought gasoline from the local market in Mason jars. There were no highways and the few paved roads ended in towns the rest were dirt. In some cases the only way across a river was highering a boat to get across. He was a remarkable man. But to your point I did ride a new Indian and hated yes HATED how it sat. Long time Harley guy and at 6'4" I am way to tall for Indian. I felt like I was on a gynecological table. And you're correct Indian after market is non existent as is the dealer network. If you want a harkey clone buy a metric. Plus they don't make 3 wheelers, getting back to your point of selection, which since my foot was crushed in the Marine corps it makes 2 wheels a scary propersition.
Street Glide is a fork mounted fairing. The Road Glide is the fixed fairing. The Challenger has more hp, torque, better, more intuitive infotainment that is more closely mounted to the rider, more travel, better handling, braking, acceleration.... the list goes on and on. Harley started in 1903. That is 2 years after Indian/Hendee; not 3. Indians' dealership experience was far more elaborate than my experience at H-D. Harley acted like I was lucky to have been there. Ignored for 40 minutes. Bought the Indian. Got a t-shirt with both purchases, plus plenty of other swag. The ownership group offers discount and is worldwide. Granted they don't have as many aftermarket parts. They are newer to the market. The 106 is only a couple of years old. But they already look better from the factory so you don't have to paint them up with goofy chrome bullshit. It is already there. You were leaking coolant because you were on a Harley. That is just a fact. Deal with it. Then Go tug your balls, you dusty fart. Your H-D disappears when an Indian shows up. If you think your H-D looks better, You're dreaming, Mate. Trust me. My Indian Chief Classic made a H-D Deluxe look like it was drawn by a deranged child. My Chieftain Limited was just voted best looking bike at a 100 motorcycle charity ride where every other bike lest one was a Harley. Harley being better looking is Subjective? I believe the word you were looking for was delusional.
I love the Indian scout bobber. Just looks gorgeous, has great power and just a badass bike.
Agreed. Wish they would build a bigger version of it though.
@@justcoolin3384 they do, it's the challenger (atleast from an engine performance standpoint). Actually riding a springfield feels like an oversized bobber.
Nick here ladies and gentlemen telling us Indian Scout Bobber is a lame girlie bike 😂 gtfooh
@Nick I would've fell for the bait if you didn't mention the Gixxer 😂
I love most of your videos but this is the most biased video I’ve seen. Just sounds like a Harley commercial
Exactly
No, Charles, it is bad because it listed inaccurate and untrue information that was biased against Indian.
That was a really good summation of the way I see it too. I own a well upgraded Roadglide but I'm in the market for a 2nd smaller after-work get-around bike that I might take on longer rides every once in awhile. I've owned Sporters and Fatboys in the past and was wanting something new...BMW, Triumph or V-MAX... but the aftermarket and dealer support keeps me with HD....lol...plus I own way too many HD T-shirts and HD leather jackets. I still didn't get the 2nd bike yet but right now I'm thinking StreetBob.
Sounds like your main reason to choose a specific motorcycle is because it will impress other people. I chose my bike because I really liked it, not because I hoped other people would approve of it. Plus Indian may not be as big as Harley, but I'm glad there are multiple motorcycle manufacturers available. Competition is a good thing, and it gives us variety.
I’m a Indian owner but I get it. The reason I purchased an Indian than an HD is because there’s too many black Harley Davidson’s everywhere I live and work. I really have nothing against them just wanted to be different.
Love my rare 05 blue and silver RK, any harley I look to buy...black the last color i would get, agree.
That’s why I got my chieftain dark horse, that and it’s a better bike
Talks about Vintage not having a pillion seat, while literally showing a Vintage with...
Wait for it....
A PILLION SEAT.
Yeah this video is extremely lazy in general, poor quality stuff coming from this channel lately in SPITE of it being called "Yammie Noob" (see what I did there?)
In his defense, he was talking specifically about the Darkhorse. You have to order the regular Vintage seat separately and install it yourself, or the dealer would probably do it for you.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 he doesn’t know what he’s talkin about
Modern Harley culture itself pisses me off. They built their legacy on being the rebel, it's how they've always portrayed themselves. Walk into a Harley store these days. It's like being in a fucking Walmart. You can walk in and get your pre patched, over priced vest that was made in China. Then your 20 dollar Harley shot glass. How about a pair of jeans that cost an extra 60 bucks because there's a Harley logo on them that by covered by your belt. Then you can close out your magical journey by snagging one of those cool poker chips. They're not free any more though, 10 bucks a pop. And don't forget the 20 dollar cardboard map so you can show all your other weekend warrior Harley buddies that you went to the Harley store in "name a city". It's a stupid subculture more worried about polishing chrome and showing off their second mortgage midlife crisis than they are about actually riding. And the sad thing is there are plenty of metric cruisers that cost so much less and are better Harleys than Harleys
My experience was great buying my indian, and I actually did get a free T-shirt.
"Indians just don't look as good as Harleys"
I dunno, I'm not a cruiser guy but imo the visual lines on literally any of Indian's offerings flow way smoother and nicer than any Harley I've ever seen (I especially like the Scout and the Vintage). Not to mention the FTR which looks cool as hell and doesn't really have a rival on Harley's end.
Yeah, many of the points seem either valid (dealer network and part availability) or kinda weak, but the aesthetics point is bullshit and completely subjective. I own a Sportster, I like my Sportster, but *NOTHING* in the Harley catalog looks anywhere near as good as the Polaris Indian line. The Challenger has some odd visual elements that look too modern for a more retro styled line, but holy crap do the rest of their bikes look fantastic. They're just better looking machines, IMO. And FFS, nobody buys an Indian if they're yearning for a Harley. They cost roughly the same. You buy an Indian if you like a Harley-like bike but aren't as sold on the styling or find the whole Harley culture off-putting. Used Harleys are way cheaper. You have to buy near-new for the Indians, so if you're actually buying one, it's sure as hell not from Harley jealousy.
@@packgrog We own Harleys but imo an Indian Chief has the most beautiful lines. I've adored them since the first time I saw one which was in the early 90's, while in my late teens.
I loved the classic art deco lines of the early Indians, but Indian seems content on discontinuing that look in favor of a knock off Harley look, they already got rid of the original Chieftain design, the Chief (!?!?), and the regular Vintage. Only the Dark horse Vintage (both the regular Dark Horse (Chief) and regular Vintage have been discontinued), Springfield classic, and Roadmaster Classic, still have that look. Roadmaster is next to be dropped for sure, now they introduced the new style Harley Wannabe Roadmaster.
I agree. To me different Harley models just seem to be different combinations of parts on essentially just 2 basic bikes. Traditional with a conventional pair of shocks and soft tails where an attempt is made to emulate a hard tail with a suspended rear frame section. Then it's like full or minimal blade type front fender. Mags or conventional spoked wheels., handle bars. Honestly though, when i look at the bikes; Harley's all look alike to me and it's far from a look on equal with the old hard tail classic knuckle head.
@@packgrog The Scout is way cheaper than a Sportster and a better bike when you consider it has better performance, water-cooled and belt drive.
Deep down I'm thankful for not buying an HD. I will stick with my Indian Roadmaster and happy to do so.
Yes I almost bought an ultra classic but deep down I am so happy I have my Victory now !
Too bad that I can't buy a new Sportster in the EU anymore, because it doesn't meet the minimum regulatory requirements. But seems like I could buy the frame and build it myself. Sure feels like an exclusive club. 😂
These videos are dedicated to brand snobs. I'm not one and hope to own both one day. It's like having a blonde AND a redhead.
You forget the $5000 needed to get the Harley running well.
My is all stock runs awesome
I've never seen Spite shill this hard.
@Car&Track7 I've ridden a good few Indian bikes, and I have to say that I disagree. More than that, when you compare them to harley until just a couple weeks ago, the performance to price was untouchable. Also, mechanically they are more sound. Post-PanAmerican(dirtglide) this may not be true, but at the time this video was released it absolutely was. The dirt glide may change harleys outlook a bit though.
@Car&Track7 Pure bullshit. The only thing I've had to do to my 2016 Scout is fork seals. My Harley riding friends have spent way more on maintenance and paid more to buy their bikes.
@Car&Track7 Have you owned one or are you talking out of your ass?
While I generally like your videos the only point I found valid in my case would be point number two. I'm actually looking at getting a scout 60 bobber
I'm just an old guy with little experience not looking for power or speed and the 60 bobber felt absolutely great compared to my Suzuki Boulevard.
When i sold Indians, the number one motorcycle traded in was HD. I got very familiar with the ride of all their models and various trims. As well, the customers weren’t shy about telling me how great the buying experience was with us versus at the HD dealer, and I was only treating customers the right way so I wasn’t sure how that could be screwed up. Finally, i NEVER had anyone tell me how much more expensive our bikes were against HD models. IF that’s true THEN they only didn’t say anything because the quality was worth it.
If anyone ever said, “nice Harley” about my bike I didn’t fly into a rage because my fragile ego couldn’t handle it. I’d just smile and educate them about a great uniquely styled bike that I thoroughly enjoyed riding. For Indian riders it’s about enjoying the ride and every HD rider I sold an Indian to felt the same way.
As long as you ignore that Indian Challenger:
*has more hp
*brakes better
*handles better
*better electronics
than a Road Glide, then you’re right on. BTW. I’ve owned a 2001, 2007 and 2011 Road Glide. Challenger is a superior bike...period.
And lost its ass to a Harley in Battle of the Baggers 😂
You forgot to mention that they are all
Made out of the cheapest plastic that you can make.
2024 mission King of the Baggers competition split victories, HD and Indian each winning a race on Saturday , the final the race on Sunday saw Indians Troy Herefoss taking first place, HD's Kyle Wyman taking second and Indians Tylar O'Hara taking 3rd place.@@Jaybird_86
"It's not what you're riding. It's where you're going."
That’s why I rather listen to Sean. He actually rides them...
Absolutely makes no difference what you ride and enjoy your trip and destination no one cares
And how you look getting there
Thats like saying it doesnt matter what youre eating, its that youre full. Hard no. Both are important to me. Im grateful to not be hungry, but im much happier eating ribs than crackers
SRK cycles
Just one problem or should I say many problems with HD - why are there so many YT videos on how to fix the "poorly designed" HD engines. Brand new models with issues seem to be far to common and these are not cheap bikes but some of the most expensive one s on the market. So what are you paying premium prices for - it appears the name and the mystique surrounding the brand.
Hell...... when I paid $22 thousand for a Rzr Turbo, they literally drove it out of the show room in the middle of the parking lot and disappeared !!!!!! ....... when I was loading it on a trailer someone came out and tried to accuse me of attempting to steal it !!!!!.... NO JOKE !!!!!!!!! ....BUT !!!!!!!..... there is nothing like it !!!!!!! ..... NOTHING !!!!!! ......the power and reliability are unmatched !!!!! :-)
You forgot the Indian springfield, so the chief isn't the sole cruiser
And it smokes all the Harley cruisers in every aspect xd personally my favorite indian
Indian classifies the Springfield as a bagger technically. But I would say it's a cruiser as well. Not that it matter noob is an idiot and just trying to get the clicks.
@@4tech69 the funny thing is the only difference between the chief and the springfield is the rake and the springfield comes with the 116. And stock bags but those bags fit on the chief and the 116 can be swapped into the chief as well
He left a LOT of relevant details out. Especially on the Challenger, that bike obliterates any Harley out there (except the Vrod) and he expressly picked the most expensive trim model.
I love he starts this off by essentially saying "I'm only doing this to make some of the commenters happy."
I love how you’ve never heard of sarcasm
As a United States citizen, I believe that NO ONE should pay $27,000 for an Indian or Harley Davidson motorcycle. I mean good lord! You can get a 2022 BMW S1000R M, fully decked out with all the packages offered for $21K. What the hell!!
I bought a black Yamaha MT-09 and I'll NEVER have to worry about being left stranded. EVER.
after sitting through this i dont want to hear this dudes voice ever again
The harley shilling is way too much, yammie, come and save us
Wheres yammir
The fact of the matter is, I pull up next to a bunch of Harleys with my Scout Bobber 20 and no one says shit about the Harleys - they just tell me how beautiful my bike is.
Harley is the reason why other bike companies had to step up to the plate and actually make good bikes for us to buy. Thanks Harley!
Oh my............
I don't know now what to choose between the Harley, The Indian and the Ridge wallet. Right, the Ridge has no pillion and you loose some chrome, but what the heck
This just proves that Kawasaki is the best cruiser manufacturer. Sorry spite, Japan just does America better.
I'd personally go with Suzuki and the M109R instead, but yes, Japan does it better. lol
@@Gofr5 Suzuki's offerings are bullet-proof from my experience but they are getting very, very long in the tooth.
@@anthonybessel1086 You're not wrong.
My vulcan 750 still rocks...
I'm a Suzuki fan boy, but would take a Vulcan 900 or v star over the Boulevard. Tho would take any japan cruiser over HD....
My 2006 road glide at 80mph feels like it’s doing 150mph so that’s good enough for me.
The reason I didn't go with anything American is really just for 2 reasons
1) they're RIDICULOUSLY expensive. How do American motorcycle brands expect to get to get any kind of new brand loyalists when their bikes are so expensive?
2) is there a single bike they make that isn't a cruiser? I started off with a rebel 250, and you can hardly call that a cruiser for someone my size. After trying some boulevards, I decided cruisers aren't for me. Don't get me wrong, I love the vintage look, but I want to feel sporty on a motorcycle. Not like I'm on a recliner going 70mph.
All the other reviews where they ride Challenger and The harley back to back every time they said challenger was the better bike.
All I have to say ride a Harley then ride a Indian and it’s not even close Indian is a better ride . Also go to a Indian dealership you will see a ton of used Harleys end of story.
After the launch of the Challenger, most bikers said the Challenger was a better bike then Harley, and most test riders are H-D riders...Indian Rocks\m/ !!!
I've ridden both road glide and challenger..I personally like the challenger, sport mode option, beautiful sound, and better tech including speakers and map nav, plus a better price
@@alkeron598 I rode both and I prefer the HD. Better ergonomics, better handling, more torque off the line, better sound and nav system plus feels more premium. Indian dealer support is terrible. I live in the largest metropolitan area in the world and only one Indian dealer in the entire area. I know many that have bought from the one dealer and god forbid you need work done you have to leave your bike with them for two to three weeks.
If it wasn't for Ronald Reagan, Harley would be bankrupt by now.
And that along with signing in the Hughes Amendment are reasons why is not amongst the top tier of presidents.
I love ronald reagan barock who?
And if it wasn't for Trump, I'd be a Harley owner. Won't forget Milwaukee HD cancelling Trump's visit as they surrendered to the woke mob threatening protests; Wrote HD off and went Indian.
I was a HD guy. Since I bought my Chieftain, I will NEVER buy another Harley. I’ve owned 3 of them. Indian is simply a better machine.
8:19 How did you take your MSF (Motorcycle Safety Foundation) at a Harley dealer? You mean you took your MSC (Motorcycle Safety Course,) which is ran by the MSF, at a Harley dealer? Or to be more specific, you took your BRC (Basic Rider Course) with the MSF (organization.)
Fuck that I’m still getting a Chief Vintage.
If you are going to review a company you should at least have one clip of you riding their products. I dont have a whole lot of experience with a ton of motorcycles but if I had the platform that you do I would make a way better effort to actually review the bikes you are trash talking and not just make vague accusations about the brand as a whole.
Clip at beginning...when he road Dans
I have a Victory I was sad to see Polaris drop the brand when they bought Indian! Yammer, what do you think of the now discontinued Victory motorcycles
When I bought my Harley they gave my wife a leather riding jacket. That was a nice touch because she was pretty upset that I bought the bike.
F9 actually just had a good video going in depth about why the scout makes so much more power than the sporster, and its a noticeable difference, I've owned both
He he. I'm still buying a new Yamaha in the spring. I've had my share of Harley headaches. No matter how much you polish a turd, it's still a turd.
Strange. When I bought a new Harley I did get a short tour of the dealership, but no book like you describe. I only got a sales pitch to illegally remove my catalytic converter, replace the exhaust, add an enhanced intake and tuner to richen the mixture...all against EPA regs.