Timestamps (some WRONG info, please see the DESCRIPTION**): 0:00 - Start 0:36 - Ranged vs Melee 1:23 - Female vs Male, Genderlock? 2:30 - Differences in Identity Skills 4:30 - Bard's Serenade of Courage vs Paladin's Holy Aura 5:13 - Bard: Heavenly Tune (Main Attack Buff) 5:34 - Paladin: Guardian Angel (Main Attack Buff) 6:05 - Heavenly Tune vs Guardian Angel 6:32 - Sonic Vibration vs Wrath of God 7:35 - Wind of Music vs Holy Protection 11:59 - Rhapsody of Light vs Godsent Law **SEE DESC, SOME WRONG INFO** 13:00 - Guardian Tune vs Holy Land 14:06 - Awakening Skills 15:00 - Summary (TL;DR)
I've mained healer/support characters for my entire time playing MMOs. I've been trying to research the differences in playstyle between bard and paladin without much success so far. This is the by far best resource I've seen yet that clearly explains the differences between the two support classes in this game. After watching this video, I think i've finally settled on maining a Bard. Thanks for helping.
@@Aiyulol Thanks! I mained a disc priest on several vanilla wow private servers and classic, and bard seems like the most similar class. Lots of tools, but it takes some experience, skill, and knowledge of the fights to use them most effectively.
@@Aiyulol you have made a mistake - paladins Godsent Law HP shield affects anyone in range of AoE. Not only paladin himself. Atleast thats how it works now on Russia server.
In short: Paladin is active melee playmaker class that can heal, protect, counterattack and have options for anything. It feels fast and mobile. You play it if you want everything in one character and playstyle. Bard is class that you play if you want to be an inpenetrable wall for damage that comes to your party and do not care or even do not want to do dps things at all.
I agree one of the best videos to get the differences by side by side comparisons, take in mind that the paladin has close to no healing at all while leveling up to 50 due to the fact that all the healing comes from engravings what are only available at the start of end game.
I love this presentation. It's so professional. I used your skill build guide for leveling and have the raid guide spreadsheet saved. Will be curious how artist turns out. I love the paintbrush/animation/sound aspect of it. I think the portal is a gimmick and would make players rely on me to move them instead of self awareness, when supports are already doing so much.
Much appreciated! Portal right now is unfortunately really not that useful as a repositioning skill, so I'm thinking it may see some more reworking in the future. It has a delay on cast which prevents it from using it in emergencies, and the reliance on the player actually hitting G is another limiting factor. A bit of a wait and see situation!
@@Aiyulol Yes you did a great job, but i want to ask one question though. Why you didn't tell anything about counter attack capabilities of the Bard and paladin, how they gear themselves and how this gearing affects those classes and playstyle?
As some one who play both classes and who loves both classes, this is an amazing video. I will like to add just one thing from my experience and point of view: Bard is the best class if your party is learning the fight, while Paladin has the upper hand when your party already know the fight.
@@fankey8996 I like paladin better. I find it that paladin is better at buffing damage and with randos that is very important as you might have subpar allies. The 8% heal comes in huge allowing even the most brain dead people to stay in the fight for longer and if you know what you are doing you can shield a lot of damage with it too. Your holy aura is a mix of heal(with engraving), damage reduction, damage buff so unless you have a bard that is very good at getting gauge i consider the paladin to have the superior gauge skill. It wasn't mentioned in this video but a paladin provides a ton of stagger (stunning bosses) and in tier 3 you become one of the best stagger characters with some descent counter potential.
After hearing your analysis of each class, I think that for more of a casual player of this game, such as myself, Paladin is most likely a better choice, since the class can take more punishment and keep itself alive more easily. After all, being better at healing others won't do anybody much good if you're dead.
you outdid yourself with this video Aiyu, TOP tier informative video, my favorite video of yours. Hopefully new peeps can now decide between the two easily ^_^
Yo it's crazy that this video is 9 months old and yet still so relevant. I personally don't play support but my duo partner mains supports in every game we play. She prefers Bard, but does play Paladin as well and I really wanted to understand the difference between the two. This was so well put together and explained that I am blown away! Excellent information, video, and production! I'm sad that I can only give a single thumbs up for such a great videos!
As someone that has never played Lost Ark and wants to play Support, this was a great video! Really well presented and easy to understand the differences, thank you!
The graphics in this presentation are phenomenal. There was a ton of information and you made it very easy to understand. Liked and subscribed and I look forward to future content.
This was incredibly good. Hard to find info on a class other than a "guide" which just tells you which gem to use and which skill without mentioning the whys.
Subbed because your content is displayed so well. Gonna go with paladin but bard sounds really fun too so might go with that for my second character. I hope you upload more so you can help us new players become quality support players in the community!
Wow! Truly awesome guide. Highly useful analysis, great focus and presentation of key info, outstanding visuals, concise commentary. Amazing job! One of the best reviews I’ve seen. Well done!!
Great video, I already decided to be a full support player for my guild and this helped me understand what class to use for what situations as they come up. Paladin main, will have 2 pal, 2 bard, and 2 artists when ever that comes out, should be lit 👌🏻
@@oldmatedave2382 I know that, but with 2 I can run more chaos dungeons as well as guardian raids and abyssal raids:) and I have been enjoying playing support so might as well get more time out if enjoying it 👌🏻
I started out playing bard, then switched to paladin around level 20 when an old gaming friend wanted to join our guild and would only play bard. The rest of our small guild preferred having one of each support instead of two of the same, which is why I swapped. This friend always plays healers, unfortunately she's also pretty awful at it, going way back to vanilla WoW when we were both healers in raids. I'm now leveling a bard in addition to my paladin because I'd like to understand it better. Judging the class purely because my friend's bard is ... well let's just say she doesn't make the class look very good, wouldn't be fair to the class. And who knows? Maybe I can give her tips the next time we play together if I have more experience with bards. As things currently stand, I just assume there won't be any support if I play a DPS alt with her, and that her group will struggle more in 8 mans. My guild thinks bards are trash because of that. It's kind of sad.
+ Waifu is what got me more sold on the Bard I would have compared Wind of Music with Holy Land and Guardian Tune with Holy Protection. This matches cooldown and range a lot better.
Thanks for this amazing video, showing the similarities AND difference really helps understanding what kind of support they are at their core, i figured they were both the same, but i could really get why one is better then the other in certain situations, and now i do! Thank you
I'm still pretty new to Lost Ark, just now hitting 1070 on a paladin. Between you and ATK I'm learning so much, and I appreciate your effort in explaining. I think I'm going to build a Bard as a second toon just to see how they feel.
Great video! Loved how detailed it all is even to the point of mentioning how different builds and changes can affect them or make them more similar. What's a shame though is I feel I'd enjoy bards kit more but would personally find paladins gameplay more enjoyable. Especially as someone that can be a bit slow at learning and with everyone new to the fights, so the stronger healing and more frequent shielding would be great. Helped me in deciding paladin at least!
Damn man ty for this video…..im completely new to this game and could not find any in depth paladin guides on how to play as a support but you definitely nailed both classes in one go!
What a great video 👌 I would have added that Paladin has access to 2 movement skills while Bard has none (charge and forgot the other one)... Thus for new players I'd recommend going pala first then make a bard alt once u have experienced the game more. Im a 1395 pala main with a 1343 bard and I really love both. Can't wait for Artist to come in
this was the best bard vs pally video i've seen and overall awesome presentation and in-depth details that you don't really find with others. fantastic job!!!
Video Quality is 10/10 You've really outdone yourself this time 👍 I'm still not sure what to Main - will level Bard + Paladin after my Blade (depends, if we get knowledge transfer right at start or not) When we dont get the knowledge transfer, i will start Bard/Pala > Blade.. and decide when all are 1300+ what to play (Bard or Pala)
This is the best video I have seen thus far talking about the differences between the two support classes we will be getting with the NA/EU launch. Good video all around dude, keep it up!
This video is edited SOOO well! Great content man and really informative. Excited to be playing a paladin for once (I pretty much always play ranged heals so lets switch things up).
I wanted to play paladin first but was considering bard instead because of all the guides and talk about supports and bards (but barely any mention to paladin). You earned a sub in the first 10sec of the video, thank you !
Holy shit dude. You put mega quality and polish and work into your videos. Subbed. I was going to be snarky and say "your welcome" (that I subbed) but.... No snark. Thank YOU! :)
Thanks for helping me to decide and dedicate my life to the bard sacred rol 😂😂 Very nice guide, from the editing and the content, everything was spot on.
okay so this is my first time watching your videos and the end --- this has been aiyu and until next time, byeu is so damn cute lmao thanks for the info! cant wait for NA launch
suscribed! thanks ^^ from early acces I was playing sometimes bard and other times paladin, was hard to decide a main. I picked bard, looks more complete and fun to me. thx again ^^
After watching many videos, and considering that I'm completely new to the game I've decided to start with a paladin due to the higher defense stat, it looks a bit less punishing and slightly easier to run the solo content. My first alt will be a bard then as many content creators recommend having many alts and enjoying different classes.
Bard can still be pretty tanky with the heavy armor engraving, though still not on par with a Paladin of course. Don't forget to try to learn from your mistakes rather than relying on high survivability to tank hits. If you're playing solo group content then Paladin would 100% feel more reliable for sure, their healing specifically.
@@starbreeze7249 thanks for the advice, my plan is to play the tankier Paladin to learn the boss fights. Once I'll feel more comfortable and know more about the game mechanics I'll feel more confident to run the content with a bard.
As a support or healer main in many mmos (dcuo,ff14,neverwinter,ect.) You are spot on. Sometimes you have to move into melee range to catch a person that is in a bad spot and you might get hit while casting your healing and just live through it. On another note DON'T build for damage if you plan on healing for parties unless you over scale the content I've seen many supports building crit and the team struggle to pull out the raid don't be that guy.
Paladin's founder skin looks like Tyrael from D3. That's all I needed to know I was gonna be maining a paladin. The fact that I enjoy playing melee support is just a massive bonus.
Love this video a lot. As someone who knows literally nothing going into this game, this video has really helped me get a better informed decision on which to play - which is both! xD
so idk if anyone mentioned this but i think I was hearing your lie in april opening 1 hikaru nara in the background around 9:57? Might be wrong but this was a great video!
Nice video! I really like comparisons. However I always thought that Holy Protecion is smore like Guardian Tune. They both give shields in more common versin (Endless Protection+Agile Defence for Guardian Tune) which can be swapped for utility (Cleanse for Holy Protection and Debuff Block for Guardian Tune)
You need to adjust your healing percentages to account for the noticeably higher base HP of a Paladin. The initial value of a heal is based off the CASTER'S max HP, so a 10% heal from a Paladin is quite a bit more than 10% from a Bard.
This was the type of breakdown, comparison I was looking for. I live for details like this. PLEASE do one that compares the Artist. I know she's new, not even a month since she's been released, but I adore her class and would play it regardless if she was terrible if available on release (but of course isn't....). Yes, part of the video would be a rehash of this one, but it's really hard to find Artist content that goes into detail..... A couple other streamers have mentioned thoughts on them, but no direct comparisons like you did in this video. Artist by Saintone (just his thoughts from a recent stream) - Bit of Sorceress/Bard/Summoner in one. - Doesn't do anything they do better than them, but very versatile. - She is Slow and Squishy. - Only thing she is best at is her Heals, nothing heals as well as her. Artist by Kanima (he only made a quick mention on them in a recent stream) - He doesn't seem to like Artist at all. Saying that it doesn't do anything well and thinks it's to annoying to pick up heals and that the heals are not good at all. I forget who mentioned it, but I remember reading that the Artist does what the Paladin wished it could, being a more hybrid class, able to do damage while supporting (instead Paladin, like Bard, really should be used as pure support and for those that like DPS Paladin, sadly will, at least on KR/RU servers, only ever be seen as trolls when PUG-ing it up).
I have been playing my artist (1445) so far, and like I mentioned I plan to make a video exclusively about her later. I left it out of this one because she's still undergoing balance changes (had a big one last week), so I was waiting until the dust settles before making a video which can't be updated.
So i was thinking about leveling a support class as 2nd Character and i couldn't decide which one to pick, since the painter will probably not be released until october/november and i found this video and to be honest, it makes it even harder to decide :D Both of em have their own strenghts and i dont know which i like more. :D
Godsent law does in fact have the same paralysis immunity super armour that Rhapsody of Light has and also has the ability to inflict Lights’s vestige debuff giving 10% damage increase for all party members
It's not the same super armor as Rhapsody, Rhapsody is knockdown/knockup immunity (LV 2 Super Armor) while Godsent Law is hitstun immunity (LV 1). I did make a mistake about the shielding differences which I corrected in the description. You also don't get the vestige debuff if you use the 30% AoE tripod, which most people do.
@@Aiyulol godsent law gives a shield though, while you said it doesn't? Or do people really not use that tripod? I find it to be amazing, those shields are quick to apply and together with the DMG reduction can (in low tier content so far) super easily safe someone or let you just Facetank a boss ability.
Thank you SO so much. I could see the bits and pieces of differences and they seemed so even to me, but having it properly side by side is all I wanted! I honestly expected to stumble on a chart by now! I'd like to ask, however, why are the debuffs that increase the damage the enemy receives/deals are not covered? Or they second awakenings? And lastly, Bundle of Notes which not only brands the enemy but lowers damage received of allies in it and (seems to, please correct me if I'm wrong) stacks with Guardian Tune? Love the super clean presentation and actual helpful clips, by the way!
@@Aiyulol My paladin is a baby and my bard is honestly not much better since I am a new player anyways, sorry to pile on the questions: I could not find a debuff to lower enemies damage on Paladin like Lethargic Harmony on Bard's Dissonance or Suprise Death from Prelude of Death. Granted Prelude of Death seems too hard to use and short lived, but dissonance seemed like a fantastic tool to keep damage low and with note's stacking with everything, I thought Bard maybe had even a bit more edge on the party defense side. Whereas Paladin seems to be able to shield himself with a ton of skills if chosen. Are these attack downs not worth of noting at endgame? Is -30% too little or denied on bosses?
I am a Wardancer one trick on Azena(u.s. east). My wife has mained Bard from day 1. While I struggle to feel relevant to a party, she seems at times dissatisfied with her class. Some of it has to do with (both of us) being F2P and proper gearing and engravings for supports are at times way out of price range despite playing 6 alts each daily. Some of it has to do with how the game weights aspects of the MVP system. I recently used my Feighton Pass on a Paladin support build and it feels more effective than my 4x3 WD. Infact,Paladin makes me feel like a GOD and I've enjoyed every second I have spent on the class. I propose this suggestion. If you have a friend that plays support, go out of your way to make them feel amazing. You do not need to be MVP every time. For example, when we do Chaos dungeons together, I spec my Phoenix Advent, and Wind god to freeze targets. It is a huge loss of dps, but it keeps things locked down. I still have to hold off on damage uptime to not snag mvp but what it has taught me is the Bard's rotation, in addition to having taught me what to watch for in order to increase my dps when it matters and that is something I was not doing prior to taking this initiative on my end. Now, we are 100% in sync as a team and it's downright amazing. Both supports are fun, but I would say it takes Bard longer to get to the same point a Paladin does in regards to how the classes feel to play. In closing, whisper your supports when yall are done and show them your appreciation. It will go a long way towards helping the support shortage, and keep the current ones from rerolling to a new main. Be a TEAM PLAYER.
This video explain exactly why I think Bard is inferior, like of course I rather have a Bard in my part than no support whatsoever, but if I were to choose I would obviously pickup a Paladin... and this would be so easy to fix, just make so Bard can actually play long range, make it be able to give shields at distance and unify the Z and X... Bard would not be broken if that was the case...
Excellent guide. How 'possible' is to have both Bard and Paladin in one group? Since as a different classes their buffs should stack, right? Or the benefits are just not enough and the party will lack DPS for the various checks that bosses have?
This, wife and I have historically duoed as a bard and paladin in pretty much every MMO we've played and are starting down the same path here. The video makes it seem like an "either or". Is there practical value to having both? Sustained higher total group DPS? Sustained better group durability? Or does the group ultimately lose more than they gain by having both?
You want 1 support for every 4 people as having 2 supports will limit their usefulness (synergy debuff doesn't stack, etc.) Most raids are 8-man content so you will want to have 2 supports, one in each party.
@@Aiyulol Much appreciated Aiyulol, can you explain the synergy debuff comment? We didn't play in the beta test so we're relatively clueless on how the later/end gameplay is structured for group play.
Timestamps (some WRONG info, please see the DESCRIPTION**):
0:00 - Start
0:36 - Ranged vs Melee
1:23 - Female vs Male, Genderlock?
2:30 - Differences in Identity Skills
4:30 - Bard's Serenade of Courage vs Paladin's Holy Aura
5:13 - Bard: Heavenly Tune (Main Attack Buff)
5:34 - Paladin: Guardian Angel (Main Attack Buff)
6:05 - Heavenly Tune vs Guardian Angel
6:32 - Sonic Vibration vs Wrath of God
7:35 - Wind of Music vs Holy Protection
11:59 - Rhapsody of Light vs Godsent Law **SEE DESC, SOME WRONG INFO**
13:00 - Guardian Tune vs Holy Land
14:06 - Awakening Skills
15:00 - Summary (TL;DR)
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Thx bro, i was in a dilema about which class to play, but after watching this video now i know that i'll definitely gonna play berserker...
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You had us in the first half ngl
that was good
I've mained healer/support characters for my entire time playing MMOs. I've been trying to research the differences in playstyle between bard and paladin without much success so far. This is the by far best resource I've seen yet that clearly explains the differences between the two support classes in this game. After watching this video, I think i've finally settled on maining a Bard. Thanks for helping.
Glad it helped! Welcome to the Bard family :>
@@Aiyulol Thanks! I mained a disc priest on several vanilla wow private servers and classic, and bard seems like the most similar class. Lots of tools, but it takes some experience, skill, and knowledge of the fights to use them most effectively.
@@Aiyulol you have made a mistake - paladins Godsent Law HP shield affects anyone in range of AoE. Not only paladin himself. Atleast thats how it works now on Russia server.
In short:
Paladin is active melee playmaker class that can heal, protect, counterattack and have options for anything. It feels fast and mobile. You play it if you want everything in one character and playstyle.
Bard is class that you play if you want to be an inpenetrable wall for damage that comes to your party and do not care or even do not want to do dps things at all.
I agree one of the best videos to get the differences by side by side comparisons, take in mind that the paladin has close to no healing at all while leveling up to 50 due to the fact that all the healing comes from engravings what are only available at the start of end game.
I love this presentation. It's so professional. I used your skill build guide for leveling and have the raid guide spreadsheet saved. Will be curious how artist turns out. I love the paintbrush/animation/sound aspect of it. I think the portal is a gimmick and would make players rely on me to move them instead of self awareness, when supports are already doing so much.
Much appreciated! Portal right now is unfortunately really not that useful as a repositioning skill, so I'm thinking it may see some more reworking in the future. It has a delay on cast which prevents it from using it in emergencies, and the reliance on the player actually hitting G is another limiting factor. A bit of a wait and see situation!
Thanks so much for this. You really got all the support abilities info in a solid comparison summary. The presentation was great too.
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
@@Aiyulol Yes you did a great job, but i want to ask one question though. Why you didn't tell anything about counter attack capabilities of the Bard and paladin, how they gear themselves and how this gearing affects those classes and playstyle?
Massive video Aiyu! The information provided is of course, on point! But on top of that, the effects are just icing on the cake!
Fox pogO! Thanks for the compliment :D
As some one who play both classes and who loves both classes, this is an amazing video. I will like to add just one thing from my experience and point of view: Bard is the best class if your party is learning the fight, while Paladin has the upper hand when your party already know the fight.
Thanks for sharing!
hi, so if I am playing solo and q with random people, would u recommend Bard or Paladin? ty
@@fankey8996 I like paladin better. I find it that paladin is better at buffing damage and with randos that is very important as you might have subpar allies. The 8% heal comes in huge allowing even the most brain dead people to stay in the fight for longer and if you know what you are doing you can shield a lot of damage with it too. Your holy aura is a mix of heal(with engraving), damage reduction, damage buff so unless you have a bard that is very good at getting gauge i consider the paladin to have the superior gauge skill. It wasn't mentioned in this video but a paladin provides a ton of stagger (stunning bosses) and in tier 3 you become one of the best stagger characters with some descent counter potential.
@@frking100 🙏🙏
After hearing your analysis of each class, I think that for more of a casual player of this game, such as myself, Paladin is most likely a better choice, since the class can take more punishment and keep itself alive more easily. After all, being better at healing others won't do anybody much good if you're dead.
Paladin is a solid choice!
you outdid yourself with this video Aiyu, TOP tier informative video, my favorite video of yours. Hopefully new peeps can now decide between the two easily ^_^
Thanks fam :>
This was so well put together and the production level is godlike. Nice job mate!
Thank you!
Yo it's crazy that this video is 9 months old and yet still so relevant. I personally don't play support but my duo partner mains supports in every game we play. She prefers Bard, but does play Paladin as well and I really wanted to understand the difference between the two. This was so well put together and explained that I am blown away! Excellent information, video, and production! I'm sad that I can only give a single thumbs up for such a great videos!
this is fkn phenomenal and well edited guide jesus christ, good job man dam
Thank you!
I love the presentation and editing here - very clean and professional, laying out key info in a concise manner. Subbed!
Thank you!
Awesome presentation! And, probably one of the best organized and presented videos I have experienced, ever. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I like how in a nutshell, the melee class has super long range buffs, but the ranged class has all super short range buffs
As someone that has never played Lost Ark and wants to play Support, this was a great video! Really well presented and easy to understand the differences, thank you!
Much appreciated!
This video was fantastic! I was actually considering Gunlance before but this really has me wanting to play Paladin now.
Play both :)
What an awesome video, thank you. Answered a lot of questions I had between the two support classes. Great job!
Great to hear!
The graphics in this presentation are phenomenal. There was a ton of information and you made it very easy to understand. Liked and subscribed and I look forward to future content.
Much appreciated! :D
This was incredibly good. Hard to find info on a class other than a "guide" which just tells you which gem to use and which skill without mentioning the whys.
Dang bro I stopped paying attention half way through but stayed cause the editing was sick
Haha sorry, it's a bit of a long one. Thanks!
Subbed because your content is displayed so well. Gonna go with paladin but bard sounds really fun too so might go with that for my second character. I hope you upload more so you can help us new players become quality support players in the community!
Glad you enjoy it!
Wow! Truly awesome guide. Highly useful analysis, great focus and presentation of key info, outstanding visuals, concise commentary. Amazing job! One of the best reviews I’ve seen. Well done!!
Thank you so much!
Never regretted playing a paladin. Insanely fun class and people love us in a raid :) plus the second awakening skill is so badass
Glad to hear!
Great video, I already decided to be a full support player for my guild and this helped me understand what class to use for what situations as they come up.
Paladin main, will have 2 pal, 2 bard, and 2 artists when ever that comes out, should be lit 👌🏻
Support squad!
fyi u dont need 2, you can register skills on tabs for diff builds
@@oldmatedave2382 I know that, but with 2 I can run more chaos dungeons as well as guardian raids and abyssal raids:) and I have been enjoying playing support so might as well get more time out if enjoying it 👌🏻
@🇵 🇦 🇹 🇮 🇳 🇭 🇦 🇸 definatly paladin, but I haven’t been pushing my bards much, paladin just good all around in my opinion 👌🏻
wow i am overwhelmed by the work that has gone into this video. by far the best video there is on this subject. has helped extremely thank you!
Wow, thank you!
I started out playing bard, then switched to paladin around level 20 when an old gaming friend wanted to join our guild and would only play bard. The rest of our small guild preferred having one of each support instead of two of the same, which is why I swapped. This friend always plays healers, unfortunately she's also pretty awful at it, going way back to vanilla WoW when we were both healers in raids. I'm now leveling a bard in addition to my paladin because I'd like to understand it better. Judging the class purely because my friend's bard is ... well let's just say she doesn't make the class look very good, wouldn't be fair to the class.
And who knows? Maybe I can give her tips the next time we play together if I have more experience with bards. As things currently stand, I just assume there won't be any support if I play a DPS alt with her, and that her group will struggle more in 8 mans. My guild thinks bards are trash because of that. It's kind of sad.
Lol
+ Waifu is what got me more sold on the Bard
I would have compared Wind of Music with Holy Land and Guardian Tune with Holy Protection. This matches cooldown and range a lot better.
Thought about it, decided it was more useful to compare based on use-case/utility than just arbitrary numbers like CD and range. Thanks!
Thanks for this amazing video, showing the similarities AND difference really helps understanding what kind of support they are at their core, i figured they were both the same, but i could really get why one is better then the other in certain situations, and now i do! Thank you
You're so welcome!
@@Aiyulol you are
I'm still pretty new to Lost Ark, just now hitting 1070 on a paladin. Between you and ATK I'm learning so much, and I appreciate your effort in explaining. I think I'm going to build a Bard as a second toon just to see how they feel.
Nice!
Great video! Loved how detailed it all is even to the point of mentioning how different builds and changes can affect them or make them more similar. What's a shame though is I feel I'd enjoy bards kit more but would personally find paladins gameplay more enjoyable. Especially as someone that can be a bit slow at learning and with everyone new to the fights, so the stronger healing and more frequent shielding would be great. Helped me in deciding paladin at least!
Play both at some point, that's what I did!
Had to pause to comment on how extremely well edited your commentary together with the stats on skills were!
Thank you!
this video helped out alot! out of the 2 support classes i will be maining bard :).
Glad I could help!
Damn man ty for this video…..im completely new to this game and could not find any in depth paladin guides on how to play as a support but you definitely nailed both classes in one go!
Glad it helped you man!
This video is amazing. I tried both. The paladin to level 20 and it was soso. I tried the bard and this is the gameplay I like the most.
What a great video 👌
I would have added that Paladin has access to 2 movement skills while Bard has none (charge and forgot the other one)... Thus for new players I'd recommend going pala first then make a bard alt once u have experienced the game more.
Im a 1395 pala main with a 1343 bard and I really love both. Can't wait for Artist to come in
Good call!
this was the best bard vs pally video i've seen and overall awesome presentation and in-depth details that you don't really find with others. fantastic job!!!
Wow, thanks!
Video Quality is 10/10
You've really outdone yourself this time 👍
I'm still not sure what to Main - will level Bard + Paladin after my Blade (depends, if we get knowledge transfer right at start or not)
When we dont get the knowledge transfer, i will start Bard/Pala > Blade.. and decide when all are 1300+ what to play (Bard or Pala)
I'm also making Bard + Blade, good choices ;>
This is the best video I have seen thus far talking about the differences between the two support classes we will be getting with the NA/EU launch. Good video all around dude, keep it up!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, this was perfect for me to solidify my choice!
Glad it helped :)
hey what did you choose ?
This video is edited SOOO well! Great content man and really informative. Excited to be playing a paladin for once (I pretty much always play ranged heals so lets switch things up).
Much appreciated!
I wanted to play paladin first but was considering bard instead because of all the guides and talk about supports and bards (but barely any mention to paladin).
You earned a sub in the first 10sec of the video, thank you !
Glad I could help!
Holy shit dude. You put mega quality and polish and work into your videos. Subbed. I was going to be snarky and say "your welcome" (that I subbed) but.... No snark. Thank YOU! :)
Appreciate it!!
Amazing guide! Also love the departure in the background
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a great video! Keep it up, so informative and not click bait whatsoever thank you so much and needed it now that I launched on steam!
You're so welcome!
@@Aiyulol Would you know what card combination recommendations you have for bards?
Thanks for helping me to decide and dedicate my life to the bard sacred rol 😂😂 Very nice guide, from the editing and the content, everything was spot on.
Glad it helped you!
okay so this is my first time watching your videos and the end --- this has been aiyu and until next time, byeu is so damn cute lmao
thanks for the info! cant wait for NA launch
Haha thanks Kyle! Good luck!
Awesome video, brilliant editing and great clarity, cheers for this.
Much appreciated!
Paladin's Godsent Law gives shield to everyone in the AoE, not just to himself.
Good catch, pinned this for visibility!
godsent law may have shield himself in NA/EU open build. AoE shield added abrelshud hard patch in korea
suscribed! thanks ^^ from early acces I was playing sometimes bard and other times paladin, was hard to decide a main. I picked bard, looks more complete and fun to me. thx again ^^
Glad I could help!
After watching many videos, and considering that I'm completely new to the game I've decided to start with a paladin due to the higher defense stat, it looks a bit less punishing and slightly easier to run the solo content. My first alt will be a bard then as many content creators recommend having many alts and enjoying different classes.
Good choice!
Bard can still be pretty tanky with the heavy armor engraving, though still not on par with a Paladin of course. Don't forget to try to learn from your mistakes rather than relying on high survivability to tank hits. If you're playing solo group content then Paladin would 100% feel more reliable for sure, their healing specifically.
@@starbreeze7249 thanks for the advice, my plan is to play the tankier Paladin to learn the boss fights. Once I'll feel more comfortable and know more about the game mechanics I'll feel more confident to run the content with a bard.
Impressed with the editing, I'd love to learn more about how you make your graphics! Great video!
Made them in after effects! A lot of Trim Paths and just basic masking stuff.
@@Aiyulol thanks for the response! I've spent a lot of time in premiere but not nearly as much in effects. Sounds like it's about time I tackled it.
As a support or healer main in many mmos (dcuo,ff14,neverwinter,ect.) You are spot on. Sometimes you have to move into melee range to catch a person that is in a bad spot and you might get hit while casting your healing and just live through it. On another note DON'T build for damage if you plan on healing for parties unless you over scale the content I've seen many supports building crit and the team struggle to pull out the raid don't be that guy.
Awesome video, with great presentation really helped me make my choice.
Paladin's founder skin looks like Tyrael from D3. That's all I needed to know I was gonna be maining a paladin. The fact that I enjoy playing melee support is just a massive bonus.
Skins are the true Lost Ark endgame!
Love this video a lot. As someone who knows literally nothing going into this game, this video has really helped me get a better informed decision on which to play - which is both! xD
Good choice :)
I've always loved bards in games and this game is no different. This was a very well put together vid so thanks for all the info.
My pleasure!
i keep rewatching this video, cuz its a hard choice but also the info is just so good.
Just watched it again to pin the engravings and exact skills
Great to hear man, the correct answer is to eventually play both :)
I looove the complexity of Bard. People always underestimate supports :/.
Totally!
This is very nicely made video. So informative and no BS. And the Waifu vs Chad got me :D
Glad to hear! :>
so idk if anyone mentioned this but i think I was hearing your lie in april opening 1 hikaru nara in the background around 9:57? Might be wrong but this was a great video!
I think so! It's just a long anime medley track haha.
Nice video! I really like comparisons. However I always thought that Holy Protecion is smore like Guardian Tune. They both give shields in more common versin (Endless Protection+Agile Defence for Guardian Tune) which can be swapped for utility (Cleanse for Holy Protection and Debuff Block for Guardian Tune)
This is huge thank you so much.
You're very welcome!
Well, thats helped. Paladin seems to fit me better. Now to see if I like the play style. Thanks allot, what a great video.
Glad I could help!
Amazing video brother!!!! I'm subscribing immediately!
Awesome, thank you!
Very well produced. Thank you!
Much appreciated!
Wow, what a great guide... all questions about classes was answered in simple and understandable manner))
Glad you think so!
Damn it! Now you come out with this when I am finding gunlance fun af! :)
Make alllllll the characters o/
Very well explained. Thanks for this !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yo this video is insanely good. Great explanation!
Appreciate it!
Excellent video! Amazing job and great editing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
You really deserve more followers! Amazing break down
I appreciate that!
Not even a support but loved every minute. Subscribed.
Thank you!
Awesome presentation! 👏 Thanks for the video.
Glad you liked it!
You need to adjust your healing percentages to account for the noticeably higher base HP of a Paladin.
The initial value of a heal is based off the CASTER'S max HP, so a 10% heal from a Paladin is quite a bit more than 10% from a Bard.
Very well presented and informative. Thank you for your hard work!
Glad it was helpful! :D
holy shit man, the production quality is top notch.
Thank you!
5:13 onwards was visualised very well. It looks really good.
Thank you!
editing is amazing. I know i'm definitely playing paladin as an alt
Thank you!
Omg is that Hunter x Hunter music in the background?? Love it haha
Yup! Good catch.
This was the type of breakdown, comparison I was looking for. I live for details like this.
PLEASE do one that compares the Artist. I know she's new, not even a month since she's been released, but I adore her class and would play it regardless if she was terrible if available on release (but of course isn't....). Yes, part of the video would be a rehash of this one, but it's really hard to find Artist content that goes into detail..... A couple other streamers have mentioned thoughts on them, but no direct comparisons like you did in this video.
Artist by Saintone (just his thoughts from a recent stream)
- Bit of Sorceress/Bard/Summoner in one.
- Doesn't do anything they do better than them, but very versatile.
- She is Slow and Squishy.
- Only thing she is best at is her Heals, nothing heals as well as her.
Artist by Kanima (he only made a quick mention on them in a recent stream)
- He doesn't seem to like Artist at all. Saying that it doesn't do anything well and thinks it's to annoying to pick up heals and that the heals are not good at all.
I forget who mentioned it, but I remember reading that the Artist does what the Paladin wished it could, being a more hybrid class, able to do damage while supporting (instead Paladin, like Bard, really should be used as pure support and for those that like DPS Paladin, sadly will, at least on KR/RU servers, only ever be seen as trolls when PUG-ing it up).
I have been playing my artist (1445) so far, and like I mentioned I plan to make a video exclusively about her later. I left it out of this one because she's still undergoing balance changes (had a big one last week), so I was waiting until the dust settles before making a video which can't be updated.
@@Aiyulol And that is completely understandable.
I cannot wait for it to come out as she is my most look forward to class.
Dude , this video is great, good job man ! ! !
Appreciate it! :D
Great video, so much to digest - still going Bard, but I hope I am up to the challenge :)
Go for it!
Really great presentation, very informative as well. I'm glad I came across your channel and this video, obviously have to sub now!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you!
Best supp comparison on TH-cam! Well done buddy
Glad you liked it!
This video is extremely well done, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
So i was thinking about leveling a support class as 2nd Character and i couldn't decide which one to pick, since the painter will probably not be released until october/november and i found this video and to be honest, it makes it even harder to decide :D
Both of em have their own strenghts and i dont know which i like more. :D
Solid video! I think one of my main alts will end up being a paladin this time around.
dogO
Bard it is until Artist comes out. I would love to see a three way comparison once Artist has more time to develop different builds and metas!
Yeah that's the plan!
Godsent law does in fact have the same paralysis immunity super armour that Rhapsody of Light has and also has the ability to inflict Lights’s vestige debuff giving 10% damage increase for all party members
It's not the same super armor as Rhapsody, Rhapsody is knockdown/knockup immunity (LV 2 Super Armor) while Godsent Law is hitstun immunity (LV 1). I did make a mistake about the shielding differences which I corrected in the description. You also don't get the vestige debuff if you use the 30% AoE tripod, which most people do.
@@Aiyulol godsent law gives a shield though, while you said it doesn't? Or do people really not use that tripod? I find it to be amazing, those shields are quick to apply and together with the DMG reduction can (in low tier content so far) super easily safe someone or let you just Facetank a boss ability.
@@Aiyulol agreed there, most use the 6s cooldown ability to apply the 10% damage debuff to the boss.
Thank you SO so much. I could see the bits and pieces of differences and they seemed so even to me, but having it properly side by side is all I wanted! I honestly expected to stumble on a chart by now!
I'd like to ask, however, why are the debuffs that increase the damage the enemy receives/deals are not covered? Or they second awakenings? And lastly, Bundle of Notes which not only brands the enemy but lowers damage received of allies in it and (seems to, please correct me if I'm wrong) stacks with Guardian Tune?
Love the super clean presentation and actual helpful clips, by the way!
The debuffs are the same for both supports. Note Bundle stacks with Guardian Tune.
@@Aiyulol My paladin is a baby and my bard is honestly not much better since I am a new player anyways, sorry to pile on the questions:
I could not find a debuff to lower enemies damage on Paladin like Lethargic Harmony on Bard's Dissonance or Suprise Death from Prelude of Death.
Granted Prelude of Death seems too hard to use and short lived, but dissonance seemed like a fantastic tool to keep damage low and with note's stacking with everything, I thought Bard maybe had even a bit more edge on the party defense side.
Whereas Paladin seems to be able to shield himself with a ton of skills if chosen.
Are these attack downs not worth of noting at endgame? Is -30% too little or denied on bosses?
HOLY SHIT AMAZING PRODUCTION VALUE!!!!
Thank you!!
Great video man! Keep up the good work!
Appreciate it!
Amazing content, thanks for this! I will probably lvl up a sorc first so that I can clear tower and then focus on my waifu bard :)
Good plan, wish you well!
I am a Wardancer one trick on Azena(u.s. east). My wife has mained Bard from day 1. While I struggle to feel relevant to a party, she seems at times dissatisfied with her class. Some of it has to do with (both of us) being F2P and proper gearing and engravings for supports are at times way out of price range despite playing 6 alts each daily. Some of it has to do with how the game weights aspects of the MVP system.
I recently used my Feighton Pass on a Paladin support build and it feels more effective than my 4x3 WD. Infact,Paladin makes me feel like a GOD and I've enjoyed every second I have spent on the class.
I propose this suggestion. If you have a friend that plays support, go out of your way to make them feel amazing. You do not need to be MVP every time. For example, when we do Chaos dungeons together, I spec my Phoenix Advent, and Wind god to freeze targets. It is a huge loss of dps, but it keeps things locked down. I still have to hold off on damage uptime to not snag mvp but what it has taught me is the Bard's rotation, in addition to having taught me what to watch for in order to increase my dps when it matters and that is something I was not doing prior to taking this initiative on my end. Now, we are 100% in sync as a team and it's downright amazing.
Both supports are fun, but I would say it takes Bard longer to get to the same point a Paladin does in regards to how the classes feel to play.
In closing, whisper your supports when yall are done and show them your appreciation. It will go a long way towards helping the support shortage, and keep the current ones from rerolling to a new main. Be a TEAM PLAYER.
Glad you're having fun! :D Support love
This video explain exactly why I think Bard is inferior, like of course I rather have a Bard in my part than no support whatsoever, but if I were to choose I would obviously pickup a Paladin... and this would be so easy to fix, just make so Bard can actually play long range, make it be able to give shields at distance and unify the Z and X... Bard would not be broken if that was the case...
Excellent guide.
How 'possible' is to have both Bard and Paladin in one group? Since as a different classes their buffs should stack, right?
Or the benefits are just not enough and the party will lack DPS for the various checks that bosses have?
This, wife and I have historically duoed as a bard and paladin in pretty much every MMO we've played and are starting down the same path here. The video makes it seem like an "either or". Is there practical value to having both? Sustained higher total group DPS? Sustained better group durability? Or does the group ultimately lose more than they gain by having both?
You want 1 support for every 4 people as having 2 supports will limit their usefulness (synergy debuff doesn't stack, etc.) Most raids are 8-man content so you will want to have 2 supports, one in each party.
@@Aiyulol Much appreciated Aiyulol, can you explain the synergy debuff comment? We didn't play in the beta test so we're relatively clueless on how the later/end gameplay is structured for group play.
Yoooo is that Parasyte in the background. Subscribed just for that
Yeah it's a whole bunch of songs haha..
Thanks a bunch for this vid, helped me pick my 6th char and not waste 8 hours and 600g on knowledge transfer
Best video on the topic, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!