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BTW He charges $98,000 for his leadership training.
Lol holy crap 😂 yikes
He'd have to pay me that to listen to that drivvle.
Lolol
🤯 WTF!!! 😂
Well u went for simon sinek now damm bro awesome you just open eyes. Lets see how simon reacts
Simon is a prime example that you can make shit loads of money by saying what people want to hear.
Generally, there's no money in truth telling.
how is joshua any different though? he makes a living off shitting on corporate shit
@@omgstoptakingnames You are right. I guess the difference is that Josh doesn't charge tens of thousands of dollars for his videos. I also don't like Simon's delivery. He said a lot but I never felt he said anything.
@@chrispeng5502 I get the feeling he's just shovelling shite and his tone of voice makes my skin crawl. He's incredibly condescending and manipulative. What freaks me out is that I may have worked with him at Ogilvy ...
Who is a prime example? Tonny Robbins ?
Simon Sinek is not a problem solver; he is a performer.
It’s like Steven Spielberg wrote him a movie script , nobody is that passionate about corporate.
@@sha8888 Haha, so true.
That is his job. Being a successful guru is not about solving issues, it is about selling your solutions. And the best way to sell the solution is to appeal to what the people want.
Companies do not want to pay more, they want more for paying there employees less.
While employees do not want to be blamed for things that are not there fault.
So Simon sells companies and employees exactly what they want to hear as best he can.
He cannot sell the best solution because companies will not accept it, so he would not get the success he is looking for by addressing the elephant in the room.
If you have the best solution, nobody will really care or listen to your solution.
So he sells the idea that it is the leaders fault for not properly leading. If leaders became better at maximizing extraction from employees, then employees would give more.
He sells it to younger generations by saying that they are not giving enough productivity because the system failed them. They were raised that they deserve more when they really deserve less. That they should sacrifice more because it is fulfilling to maximize what you give to employers.
Which is bullshit manipulation, but it is working when it comes to selling his solution, that is what matters.
Most gurus are like this. They rarely sell the best solution, they sell you the best sounding solution that makes them the most money.
A Circus Clown -
I make fun of him all the time everywhere
Perfectly said! He is just a performer, that's it.
Simon is a vaseline seller, so you don't get hurt while you're screwed over and over.
Good analogy 😆
Hahahaha
You mean, to not feel *FEEL* hurt.
OMG
Hey I use that everyday. Haha
Finally someone calls out Simon Sinek BS....
I wasn't told I was special, and I didn't expect to be treated any different than any other employee!
They usually say we are "family", but my job is not my family.
When my gramma died (God Bless her soul), did any of my colleagues cared? No. (there was 1 exception, because he was my friend before this job post).
Later when our boss's dad died, I recieved an e-mail asking if I wanted to participate in a crown of flowers to send to a funeral... are you kidding me? F-That, I'm not drinking the kool-aid. I'm here to do my job and that's it.
I'll fix you computers and manage your servers and IT department, but that's it; they are not paying me to do more than that. I don't own the company, management presents it as family but it is one-sided.
A job is just that, a job. Stop making it more than it is.
Did you tell HR, or the people who organize things like that, about your grandmother? Everywhere I’ve worked would do the same for any employee or none of them. People can’t do anything about something they don’t know about.
You probably didn't have much of social life in your job cause this sounds cartoonish, I don't have much of social life in my job yet when I go through a misfortune my Co workers were very supportative. But then agains this anecdotal. A job is still a job yes people are people just because you are working with someone doesn't mean they all turn into sociopaths.
I'm totally on board with your rant here. What gets me is that when you start vocalising this horseshit with real colleagues, most of them accuse you of being negative and defend the system that screws them over. Drives me insane🙄
preach
Trying to get people to realize that they're plugged into the matrix is a waste of time. Just focus on getting yourself out of it.
I've been in management for over 7yrs now. VERY true. Meetings are filled with Simon Wanna-be's. They can't even imagine that people would leave a mediocre paying job with poor work life balance. They blame it on managers......"people don't leave jobs, they leave bad managers". Omg if I had a dollar every time I heard that horse shit. Its why my departments are always the most stable while others crumble. Understand a job is a job, not a lifestyle. Understand its a transaction. Understand and respect peoples lives....dont guilt trip them for not wanting to hangout after work..... just let it be a job.....its NOT a mission! Once you understand that, you stop trying to manipulate or fool people into staying. Once people feel like they're talking to a real human and not some cheesy motivation salesman they're able to take you seriously and might stay a little longer....might help out more.....
Example.....someone calls u up, it was the wrong number. You tell them "wrong number" they say "oh I'm sorry"...maybe even change a generic joke.
Now imagine a telemarketer is calling you and harassing you.
THAT is the difference. People don't wanna be assholes to normal people, but we LOVE being assholes to people who try to manipulate us and lie to us.
@@laverdadbuscador I agree with you. "People don't leave jobs, they leave bad managers". Well let's run an experiment; if anyone that says that won 500 million dollars in the lottery tomorrow, would they still show up to work? Case closed, y'all cute with your quotes though.
@@wuzumaki An even simpler experiment is, how many of us still work at our first entry level job? My boss wasn't an asshole and was flexible in my needs. Still left because the job sucked and didn't pay enough. I think HR and CEO's like this idea that retention is within their control for free by simply being "nice". Sure if your boss is an ass people will absolutely quit, but if the job just isn't that great it doesn't matter how good a boss is people will still leave.
CEO's want slaves, feel their entitled to slaves, call people who don't wanna be slaves lazy....and call existing slaves "family" because it helps them feel like they're a good person.
I've always had a weird feeling that Simon's talks weren't designed for the regular employee in mind, but to placate to the executives. In their mind, they want justification and excuses for the culture they created.
That is always the case when a company hires someone like him.
Management finds it easier to hire a motivational speaker than to make changes that actually motivate people.
I think you’re overthinking this. It’s not like he goes in there and does a case study of the company - he probably meets with upper management for a few one-on-ones, and then launches into his motivational speech for a company sit down - basically what GaryVee does. You’re statement reads like he’s there to justify bad culture, I’m sure he’s given presentations at companies that have healthy cultures too. Your outlook is too myopic.
@@beretaniastreet6384 Perhaps. Maybe I'm being too hard on him. Change of any significance is tough, lengthy, and takes lots of planning. It may be a case of too little time for mangers to devote to improving workplace culture.
@@Procrastinator411 thanks for the reasoned reply. I actually agree with your original statement. I am certain that many bad companies hire Sinek to do just what you said - and he does so for a fat fee. My position is that, if you read/watch him, there are nuggets of good stuff. Are they original? Nope. Are they particularly insightful? depends on where your at in your career and where you want to go. Like I’ve said in other comments, there 10-20% that is useful. The rest is either junk or not useful to you/me. Take the 10% that can help - throw the rest in the junk pile.
So sorry, if I came off disputing you - I fully think your OP was spot on, I’m just trying to get people to not always throw out the baby with the bath water.
@@beretaniastreet6384 generally if a company if bringing someone like him in, it isn't because things are going well. You don't need to motivate people in a healthy culture
As an engineer, I really appriciate your technical breakdown of this man's style of talking. I've met people like him and they trigger my intuition to throw up a red flag of distrust. Now I have a better understanding why.
The guy is another Tony Robbins, who made money selling books on how to be successful. Now he's peddling real estate and BTC, another hack.
this is exactly how i feel about John Maxwell's development courses...
@@korratheaustralianshepherd5804 One of Maxwell's books was one of the very first self-development books I read over 10 years ago. Fast forward to today, I've realized that all of these millions of self-development books that exist basically just contain the same content, and most of it is really just common sense too.
@@wuzumaki couldn't be more true
Or maybe just throw up....
"This is all nonsense, and no amount of team building family atmosphere being invested diminishes the fact that a job is an exchange of value for money for profit. That's it. Anything else is psychological manipulation." 100% spot on. To add to this, you know you're in a cult-like environment if you get labeled as cynical for having this attitude.
When you pay a personal trainer to tell yourself to do the exercise you already want yourself to do that's also psychological manipulation, but it's voluntary. I have no problem with the fact of psychological manipulation on the job, I try to do this to myself all the time, it just has to have the effects and purposes I agree with. Like when you join the army, you're marching together, shouting slogans, suffering for the sake of suffering, but all this manipulates you to be able to accomplish something as a group that you could never do before.
Lol this guy needs to stop being so edgy, he is scaring the childrens. I think the whole point behind him trying to create a good workplace culture or social environment is to make work worthwhile.
yah his goals are to drive ppl to succeed but why is he demonizing the intent to help ur employees work harder.
What he is saying isn't new and there are numerous examples of good workplace culture driving the company to unprecedented success. Like Zappos and virgin airline.
Lol calling actions with genuine and positive intentions to influence others and in this case motivate them for a common good, a psychological manipulation is like calling a drinking straw a stabbing weapon. Like sure it can stab ppl but at that point u are just twisting facts. Like bro y'all got to put less edge on that. Like he probably thinks he is like the omega male and he tells himself he don't need no friends, that it is his choice.
@@flameynoob bless, give it time you will see why lol
@@flameynoob the road to hell is paved with good intentions
@@handlesrstupid123 having a job is hell now
You've created the channel I wanted to have created 7 yrs ago, except I cared too much about offending people around me that I was too vulnerable to. Keep up the good work.
"You've been here 8 months..." I was 6 months into my first job and worked on a project that saved the company millions. They gave me a pat on the back. I'm not making an impact ON MY BANK ACCOUNT, THAT'S WHY I QUIT!
I always tell them to run me my cheques
This is why I will NEVER go out my way for a company
I'm the top at my employer multi billion dollar company and we're number 2 in the nation in profits. I spent 8 years honing my skill, blue collar outside, being the best and fastest who knows the most. Just so I could get blamed for something that wasn't my fault and when I defended myself, we're in a union, I was told to quit and find a new job. I bellowed loudly and since then I don't give a single fck about anything that happens there
Still work there lol
If you can come up with a plan that saves the company millions, you can more than likely create your own path and work for yourself. Good luck in your future!
A pat on the back after making millions🙉
Simon reminds me of the first dude to get killed in any dystopian future movie
Lmaoo
or the first guy to disappear on a place like China just like how Jack Ma criticized the financial situation in the country
That's because he's the type of guy that thinks knowledge isn't worth anything if it's from the internet and not an official government approved institute
Those who watch my videos will survive the Communist dystopia that is about to come
Don't be Simon Sinek
Nice one mate hah
So true
This is the most unexpected + brutal takedown of a modern influenza, ever.
Best possible summary of the video😂
@Dog Mutt nano is superior tho 👍🏽
And a very bad one. Read his books before you judge the cover.
@@JazzyArtKL he fulfills all the criteria of a modern influenza, I guess you fell for it:
1. talk with your hands and use expressive inflection to project confidence
2. ask the audience questions
3. share a personal anecdote to make the material feel personal
4. appeal to authority
5. throw out statistics and data
6. use images
7. build intensity, then bring it down
8. dress the part
9. change the tone from lighthearted to heavier near the end
10. connect the end of the speech to the beginning
@@cryptodeveloper Again. Did you read any of his books? Or only watched his YT vids? All the points you address here are not dismissing his message. Dig deeper.
Simon: "Millenials are the way they are because they have been told they're special and are too coddled."
Also Simon: "You're special and let me coddle you."
It's always hilarious how the boomers want to hear millenials were treated like they were as kids.
@@cult_of_odin Yeah, what an unfortunate coincidence. Boomers, the generation that raised most millennials, couldn't have anything to do with participation trophies being given to millennials. That's ridiculous.
I guess that Boomers remain the only generation that cares so much about participation trophies, even today.
His whole speech about that is a self-own. He points out how millennials want to be rewarded without earning it, even as that statement is just an evidence-free rant for which he wants a cookie.
Millenials are the way they are because sinds Ronald Reagan everything has been taken away from them !
@cult_of_odin a lot of millennials act like kids
As an extremely patient person, I can say from extensive personal experience that few people ever notice that you are patient. Few people realize you are being patient and thinking of them- most people are self-absorbed and think you just don’t notice how terrible they are being
Wish there was a different saying for this, but Josh, you're doing God's work. Corporate worship should be considered a mental illness. As you said, your company workers are not your family, bro or sister, or parents. That's sick and how people are not laughed out of the room is beyond me.
People aren't laughed out of the room because they are afraid to lose their job. If everyone was a millionaire, this corporate culture wouldn't exist because it wouldn't work.
I couldn’t say this any better. Josh, we’re listening. SINEK IS A SHAM
That raises a question for me. Since when did people start worshipping corporates like this?
News flash: God has more important things to concern Itself with than what ever petty crap is happening in the Universe. Imagine God is a very hot, young woman and how she won't give you the time of day if you had the courage to ask her out. Mentally ill people are every single person, past, present, and future because there is no such thing as "normal".
@@InvestLarge it's a turn of a phrase you idiot. I don't literally mean Josh is a pious holy man.
Simon is the master of : saying things to people without actually saying anything
Literally this: th-cam.com/video/8S0FDjFBj8o/w-d-xo.html
He's like the friendly narcissist in a way...like gentle fluffy gaslighting
I had a teacher like this once, and it took this guy to remind me of her... Well I guess i forgot some lessons from school 😥
I think the bigger issue is that his stuff resonates with so many people. It makes me wonder if a lot of people wander around through life doing very little introspection as to the structure they exist in and how to function well within it.
The fact that he has to point out that you need to find a way to compromise with people in order to work well together screams out that there is a problem in society where people are just not communicating and also are not aware that there is a problem in how they are behaving.
You actually have to be careful around him, because of How he makes people feel. So they dont listen to What he actually says.
I’m so thankful I found your channel. I felt like I was going crazy. Nobody else on TH-cam has ever really addressed these issues before.
Back at my first job they made us watch Simon Sinek. Specifically the video where he talks about how millenials quit too early. Being a fresh graduate I totally believed his words and powered through the job despite it being the most grueling, exploitative, and anxiety-inducing job I've ever been to. I quit after 6 months because I couldn't take it anymore. I would have done so earlier if not for the CEO actually threatening to ruin our reputation if we "broke our promise" of working for the company at least a year. I realize now that they made us watch that vid because of the high turnover rate with that company. Some even quit without notice a week after being hired.
Imagine having high turnover and thinking it's an entire generation's fault rather than looking at your own processes and your own management practices to see what can be improved. Glad you got out of there
I just turned 50 and see how your generation is getting screwed with greasy snake oilers like him using his nice articulate words. Good on you! Go with your instincts
First off...the dude doing the interview is a complete tool. Tried to watch a few of his interviews and just couldn't do it. Second, I've spent 25 years in corporate America. Anyone that thinks these big giant companies give a rat's azz about your personal development and happiness is absolutely clueless. Like Josh says...treat a job as an exchange of work for payment and nothing else and you'll be better for it.
And be VERY careful what you ask for. Even if you are getting f*cked in the ear, that may be the price of food/clothing/shelter for the foreseeable future.
That's how to get ahead in your career. 🙄
I can't believe some people consider 8 month as such short time... I stayed at a shitty job for 6 months and I regret not quitting sooner.
Wow, you did think things might improve and be less shit after learning the workings of the job after 6 months, but I good you tried to stay and thought you should have left earlier.
Oh man, I hear that. I stayed in a shit job for nearly two years (it took that long to finish my degree and find a better job). I knew after three months I wanted to quit.
I literally just quit the worst (but highest paying) job of my life a couple weeks ago.
After 2 months of drowning I knew I hated that job
@@SaneetBonde-kn2ye aviation mechanic at a place called VT Aerospace for UPS.
Worst aviation mechanic job you can find. No job security. Everything about maintenance is sketchy. UPS does not care about quality.
I hate UPS now. American is the same way and so is Delta
Alaska and Southwest are the best aviation companies with the best maintenance programs. Remember that
As long as they keep paying me I’ll keep coming. 😂😂😂
This guy is just a good salesman. He realized how easy it is to trick people and make mad money 😂
I have to give it to him. He is good at marketing
I can't believe how many dumb people are out there that fall for this Simon guy. He basically just regurgitates the same non sense we have seen other self gurus (AKA snake oil salesmen) say for years, and people actually pay money for his BS.
For sure, can’t hate him
@@apostalote
I can.
@@apostalote so can I, very, very easily...
Simon is a con, plain and simple. He knows what to say to make the bag he wants. Easy work. Also, when ever I hear someone complain about the younger generation, just ask who raised them lol
Exactly
We are blamed for being addicted to our phones but are praised for working for companies that monetize that addiction.
Imagine the Josh Ted talk epic and savage
I would watch it. 😍
They'd never invite Josh to do a Ted Talk. Donors wouldn't like it.
Maybe Josh should make a fake Ted talk to make fun of them too. Like parody.
Oh man I really want to watch it now!!!!
@@noelle7287 I’d watch Josh’s fake Ted Talk!
One of the C-suite in the company I work for played a Sinek video in the last department update... My eyes rolled so hard I am pretty sure I could have powered China if you attached a motor to my eyeballs.
Do you also do proverbs? I could use a book of snarky ones if you'd write it down in a book for me
you should sue them for mobbing
My last job played one of his interviews too and I did the same. The boss that played it was cool but ironically he quit a few months later. LOL
I worked at a company that started their vision & mission training with a Sinek video. I updated my resume and starting applying to new jobs as soon as the “training” was over.
soooooo.....? what did you learrrrrnnnnnnn?! hahahaha!!😂😂
“The best leaders are the best followers” what a powerful tool this man is to make people being completely used feel so grateful for it.
It's so patently false, too. I'm naturally overly kind and apologetic. You'd think these would be good leadership traits, but they're actually poisonous as hell. If you hire people, and then you don't know how to direct them, everyone in that interaction suffers. The workers don't know what to do, and the leader gets treated like a fool. A leader has to step up to the expectations, or at the very least, put on a really good façade. The best leaders are leaders.
@@manictiger exactly!!!!!!! Exactly. The traits of good business leaders I’ve had are so specific to being a leader in a business setting and the best and most rewarded subordinates around me have had totally mutually exclusive traits and I couldn’t see them transitioning to be leaders, in my experience.
He´s a name dropper. It´s all status building for him. Run as far away from people like this as you can. You are worthless to them unless you are someone "important".
I'd love to hear musk tell him "you suck" to his face
It’s really interesting to hear an American perspective on work culture and dynamics. I’m from Norway and, from my personal experience at least, I have only worked under good bosses and with a good work culture. Here, it is illegal to fire someone without proof that you have done something actually wrong and haven’t changed after receiving several warnings. And even then, you are obligated to have two months notice. Our minimum wage is great and leader-follower culture is rather flat, i.e. your boss asks you for advice and such.
Anyone had similar experiences in your respective country?
I lived in Finland and there is a very different work culture.
And Trump says we should accept immigrants from Norway not $hithole countries
Man I might move to one of these european countries if I find the motivation to speak the language.
In my country it is also illegal to fire people without justification, there must be reports of bad behavior or non-compliance, but if you are fired without justification they have to give you compensation for the years worked plus 3 months of salary. This is why I have seen many companies make their employees renew their contracts every few months and if they already have long-term employees they will do everything possible to pressure them into resigning. Currently, work is being done to make these illegal practices, but while it happens, I always advise the people I know to runaway from these types of companies.
I was in the military. I've had good leaders who utilized the talents of their subordinates and who put their comforts last. When I became a Sgt, I did the same thing. In the corporate world, leaders are more like managers. Managers here sometimes have a 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude.
I will never get why adults complain about millennials & gen z WHEN THEY WERE THE ONES WHO RAISED THEM!
You are mocking you own parenting skills people!!!
Noooo _my_ child is special! It's everyone else who has problem children
I've been sayin gv this for a while
These old farts too serious & uptight. Must loosen up or you’ll pop a cork - Witcher 3
Exactly! They did not get together as 5 year olds and say, “let’s give everyone trophies.” Parents did that.
Boomers is the first generation in human history that their children generation despise.
In Japanese bad corporate world, middle management is blamed for destroying companies.
They do just enough to be safe in their positions.
And you need spend you "free" time with your boss and play golf with him. All for the boss.
Maybe not the hardest job skill-wise but it's a hard job psychologically because if you push the talent they'll hate you but if you don't push the talent the bosses will hate you.
He just says a bunch of cliche stuff. He's basically the status quo. He's the type that would force me to accept a gift card with a smile on my face. He acts like Chick-fil-A when they're low key threatening their employees livelihoods.
Yep them gift cards, to the company's own stores so they can keep the money in circulation and not out of their pocket
A 5 dollar starbucks card for working overnight.
Chic-fil-A? Haven’t heard anything about it. ?
The workers don't want to be handing out gift cards either
My old employer paid a couple of employees in gift cards once.
Dude, I love you. Some months back when I discovered your channel, I thought you were nuts for putting yourself on the line like you do. But, you stuck to your guns and I'm so glad you're successful here. Amazing!!
I can’t remember which job it was, but they played this exact clip of Simon at a job new comers orientation. It was super weird because you could tell leadership was enthralled with this idea of a family work force.
Simon: wishful thinking
Josh: straight up
Josh got his own blindspots
@@beretaniastreet6384 all people do. Could you be more specific about Josh btw?
@@ontheline3077 After two weeks Beretania Street has no replied to your question. Wonder if he/she has an answer? 🤔
@@ontheline3077 josh only points out the negatives of working at corporations but never provide a solutions or at least he focused on way less of that. It's easy to rant on topics people wants to hear but it's difficult points at possible solutions.
@@nte2336
"never provided solutions"
And that will change something? We can rant in this comment section about what we can change, but none of us have the power to change anything, those who do have that power, are not listening anyway.
It's best to just warn people of the negatives so that they make more educated decisions.
And often times, he does give solutions.
- Work from home? Just let people decide where they want to work, and if their performance suffers, talk to them and if it doesn't work out, let them go.
- Teambuilding? Avoid it, make it optional and don't punish the employees for not attending.
- "Corporate parties" and ridiculous "Company perks"? Just give people more money, a lot of those "perks" are often not real perks.
He does provide solutions, not his fault you're not willing to listen.
Lesson learned: Start your own thing. Disagreements in any corporate and your out faster than you can blink.
I did not notice that, but Simon sound like type of prosperity preacher. He preach what the people wants to hear.
America is filled with people like him...they're worshiped and idolized
@@kwamebushman606 It’s from America’s Calvinist roots: You’re rich because God chose you.
Simon: "I don't understand very complicated things."
Josh: "That's true."
😆
When he was talking about college and Josh said ,”Are you telling me I should go tens of thousands of dollars in debt at 18 to learn how to do my own laundry” I spit my drink out 😂 🤣
The best bosses (I hate the term leader) are the ones that take the blame for your mistakes, and then crap you out in private.
Totally agree
Why hate the term leader? Leaders, good ones only of course, are actually important. They teach you a lot of life lessons
@@livery955 It's become a corporate buzzword (here at least), that's thrown around far too liberally. The idea being that we can all be leaders within our domains of work.
Also, no one likes to think of themselves as a follower, but we can't all be leaders either.
So, it has become a BS word to try make people feel better about eating shit everyday from crappy bosses.
@@shaunk6822 Yeah I was also saying that leadership in its archetypal or academic sense should be about being able to direct the team to solve problems and bring people together positively, but we all know in real life, they're mostly a bunch of self-serving assholes that will throw employees under the bus to save theirs or company's profits.
@@livery955 leader is a euphemism for boss, used by bosses who are trying to manipulate you in some way
I always hate how they don't speak straight and simple, you have to listen to an hour talk to get 2 or 3 concepts. Using a lot of words doesn't make you more intelligent
Well, there is a correlation between IQ and vocabulary, but yeah, this is often a case of bullshit baffles brains
But using a lot of words is sure good if you charge by the hour.
This is also a throwback to older 20th Century college "Compositions" where word count was a requirement. I LOVE short essays that get straight to the point after researching topics using the writings of college professors and their "word salads."
"We have patience, we just don't have time for your bulsh*t" 😂 You just roasted one of my best authorities. It was so hilarious to watch😄 thank you, top content. Changed my mind very drastically.
This is AWESOME! I've been listening to Simon more and more as I try to figure out how things went so incredibly bad with my last job (I'm a nurse accused of insubordination for voicing safety concerns). I really started to feel like he could not relate in any way to the "common worker" but he's so famous. You nailed it. He says a lot about nothing of meaning. Thanks for this.
“We have patience, we just don’t have time for your bullshit” great line. Sell that for 2M views
"you're part of the company" is only true if part of the company is yours
9:59... about "asking questions" that's perhaps one of the riskiest things you can do in many organizations which have a rigid power hierarchy. The reason Sinek could do it in his anecdote while surrounded by "C-levels" is that they were PAYING HIM HANDSOMELY as consultant outsider to actually "ask questions." It sounds all touchy-feely when he says it, but those warm-fuzzies are NOT intended for you, the worker, (unless you're watching Sinek on youtube and he's getting the clicks) they're intended for the suits who will pay BIG money to feel warm-fuzzies.
In reality, as a worker, you will NEVER have a seat in a conference room surrounded by C-levels who are there to listen to what you are saying. Your questions, if you dare ask them and they ever bubble to the top, will get filtered through a thick layer of stubborn incurious managers who are apt to shut you down or dismiss your question, or sometimes you. That said asking questions can absolutely be a noble and necessary thing to do. But first, make sure it's worth the risk because you are really sticking your neck out.
I can verify what you're saying. Now, my old company would bring the workers in... We did the whole Lean Manufacturing thing, with (at one point) monthly Kaisan meetings. A week-long show. They tolerate you giving your ideas, opinions, thoughts, etc, but they're immediately thrown into the circular file as soon as you walk out the door.
The thing where they make you think that you are a business partner within the company even though you're just an associate
Right. If I’m a partner then pay me like one.
What’s amazing is how many motivational you tubers look up to this guy.
It would be great to see you and Simon have a debate about his philosophies it would be really interesting
"We have patience, we just don't have time for your bullshit" - exactly.
Hey Josh, I took a break from watching your videos but came back here in a moment of career crisis, and this content is full of gems. I love this line, "we know the value of patience, we just don't have time for your bullshit!".
Thanks for speaking out about this stuff, keep it up!
"We have patience, we just don't have time for your bullshit." ...Nailed it.
I love this video. No matter how many fake accounts I go through, I always end up back here at least once. This is your best work, Josh.
My personal favorite:
Sinake Oil: "leadership is bla bla bla bla bla"
Josh: "leadership is you do what I say or your fired."
You're a god damn modern day philosopher.
I think there's a lot of misunderstanding here. I mean Simon is not 100% right, yet he is not 100% wrong either.
Agreed. There’s much truth to what he speaks. There’s also much truth to the legendary methods of Jack Welch which Simon straight disagrees with.
@@TerryKashat 👍
"We have patience, we just don't time for your bullshit" 😂😂😂 Josh kills me
I sure as hell wasn't told I was special. I worked my ass off. :/
And you’re the best barista I’ve ever come across!
“Let me give you an example...” - “ No your cliché argument doesn’t need an example, thanks.”
I already wasted my time listening to your cliche arguments, spare me your example
Let me tell you a story.
I’m sure people prefer your cynicism 😂😂😂😂
I so appreciate Josh’s critical independent thinking. He’s authentic. These ppl like he’s referring to are masters at seeming authentic AND ARE ANYTHING BUT.
Great video and comments, Joshua! :) Simon Sinek is the perfect example of the "I wrote a book or two about something so I really MUST be an expert" level of attitude, all neatly packed up, carefully communicated and presented with faked sincerity. You can see the slick ex-advertising executive hack from far away, if one know how to look for the signs.
Simon: I dont understand very complicated things
Josh: True
Me: ROASTED 🤣🤣🤣
How to become an infinite player:
1. Turn on Super Smash
2. Change mode from timed to stock
Your not going to last that long against me.
@Peter Mortensen don’t ask me, ask Mr. Snakeoil
Quite possibly the greatest Smash joke of all time.
Hey Josh you’re creating the Cult of Joshua Fluke. Dude I can’t stop watching your vids LMAO 😂 keep it up Master Guru, keep it up
He is right about the "you need good leaders" to be happy at your job . You work for a truly bad leader one time and you will know it's true, but you ever stumble on a good a decent leader you work under you should be thankful...because they are rare
Watched that video about millennials and I fucking Believed it 😭 even so I changed my first job after 8 months and got 37%+ in salary + remote forever 😹 josh you’re a life saver.
LMAO "glass half full, glass half empty" *drinks the water* okay let's move on.
There are two thing you should take in High School: drama and debate. That pretty much takes care of everything Sinek says you should go to college to learn.
You have your eyes wide open Josh. Most people just don't. That's why this guy is so successful.
The guy makes bank because he’s talking TO Management / Ownership not YOU. Who do you think pays him? It’s kinda like how we make Joshua Fluke $$$ by watching him cause he’s talking to US. No good guys here, just more confirmation bias s’all
idk, I guess I get what you are saying but at least "start with why" helped me get a direction in my career, get in an industry and company aligned with my personal values and beliefs, and that way I was able to achieve more with less spent energy, and feel good about my work, and making work not feel like a drag. This in turn lead me to more career opportunities and I am more satisfied than I was at my past jobs, having more energy to spend outside my job.
In a crowd of boomers shouting lazy you're the voice of reason, thank you Joshua...
Can’t get enough of you and CoffeZilla for entertainment and learning
Coffezilla is my fav
Specially the fake guru's vídeos
My previous line manager was toxic af. I tried being empathetic but it affected my mental health terribly. I left, and joined another company, and it was the best thing I did. If I followed Simon then I would be digging myself a very early grave.
Simon would have told you to leave a toxic environment, which you would know if you actually knew his work and didn't take this taken out of context rant for granted.
@@S__Kay "I have a toxic work environment" isn't the same as "I'm not making an impact" but I'm not sure how that helps the rest of Simon's case
@@hugofontes5708 I don’t think he’s here to help Simons case, but highlighting how off base much of the vitriol pointed at him is. You can hate the guys ideas but you at least have to understand them beyond what Josh has presented here, to make an intelligent decision - otherwise your just ceding your opinions to another person.
@@beretaniastreet6384 Thank you
@@beretaniastreet6384 you sure there's an idea beyond what Josh pointed? Because the idea seems to be pretty bland and old news but in a shiny tasty package
A Crazy TH-cam or conference idea... get Simon and Josh in a live discussion forum. I would pay to see that (if i could afford it).
I'd bring the popcorn!
And chocolate covered pretzels.
Live stream. Call out Simon's bullshit and explain reality to him.
definitely
OMG God yes
Factsss. My ex ‘parents’/‘upper management’ fired me for having a wrinkled shirt 1 month before my first child. I was outpacing all other co workers productivity. That happens 2 years ago I taught myself to code and built my own SAAS. They don’t care for you. Don’t try to fool urself otherwise.
Thank you. The more I watch your videos. The more I am sick of corporations and those kind of speeches. The more I am happy to have switched to an independent consulting position. I just do my job, and I am paid for it. Period. And yeah, it feels good. So thanks.
Mental Masturbation "The act of engaging in useless yet intellectually stimulating conversation, usually as an excuse to avoid taking constructive action in your life."Aka Simon Sinek.
@Adam Dunstan Well according to studies that are too nonexistent for me to cite, experts are finding that people's time just isn't that productive lately. However, I'm here to say that it's not their fault!
I have a better plan, use your time while on corporate clock to go to sleep and then go home fully recharged to work side hustle business. Make your life more profitable!
that's a good one!
@Adam Dunstan Productivity is SO overrated!!! You can be the most productive being and employers will still argue that you can improve yourself. Simon Sinek is the kinda guy who gets all of the accolades for doing essentially nothing. He convinced everyone that he's awesome.
In Spanish: " chaquetas mentales" 😉
The majority of motivational speakers will make you think to blame yourself for not being successful despite there being outside factors and variables that contribute to success. This guy points out that there are things out of your control and it’s not your fault if you’re not successful, but tells you not to do anything about it. Just lie face down or grab your ankles and hope for the best.
"Awww! My boss just made me work an infinite number of hours.....must be the infinite mindset?"
LMAO. You win this comment section. No contest.
Josh you should do a video about employee/employer rights and rules in the US vs the EU.
A lot of things you mention (getting fired without any notion, 40+ hour work-weeks, CEO's spying on employees... are pretty foreign to me, because in the EU they have laws protecting them from abuse like that), not saying that working in the EU is like a dream come true, but I think there seems a pretty stark contrast between working in the US vs EU.
I don't know all of the laws but am familiar with both sides.
You are sort of correct. CEO spying on employees can still happen, it's just very unlikely, but that doesn't stop them from being micro-managey.
"Getting fired without a notice" That has happened more times than I can remember at my first company. No email, no nothing, they just cut off your access to the building and that's how people find out they've been let go.
40+ hour work-weeks, happened quite frequently too, sometimes there are issues or something emergent happened that needed extra time after working hours, sometimes during weekends too, to solve it. I was never paid for any of the hours overtime, and I spent my first months working overtime for at least 2-3 days of the week.
I was also promised a "review" after 6 months of working, where after those 6 months I'd get a raise, wasn't even brought up.
A lot of these shitty practices happen in the EU as well, it's probably just less likely in EU-based companies vs US companies.
Great job, this is the best way to make yourself as famous as Simon. Keep going.
Exactly!! very well said: taking simple ideas, over complicate them and then breaking them down
I used to look up to Simon as well, but when I ACTUALLY became an actual manager, I started to realize the realities and complexities of managing people. In fact this is the same for all the management books (trust me I've read MANY of them) where they just give you positive sounding platitudes but not real methods.
Any material you've found to be useful for you?
Oh my gosh he always annoyed me and I couldn’t tell why thank you for this video. The tactic of a very aloof relaxed person still advocating for a thankless and back-breaking workload just with a positive attitude NEEDS to look more concerning to people instead of having the power to guilt us. Thank you for calling this out because I feel like most people view this rhetoric as so positive and harmless.
I wonder if Simon Sinek has seen a single job posting from the past 20 years; there's some inspirational meme from his Ted Talk going around, where he said you hire people based on their attitude, not their skills. Show me one software company that is willing to train people and doesn't expect you to already know everything.
😂😂
Yep. Former HR Manager here. Once i heard that sentence from him, i laughed out loud.
@@nfspbarrister5681 What are you the current of?
You deconstructed this charlatan in a 26 minutes video. Well done man! 👏
I like your honesty and realism. I find Simon to be a story teller telling stories to kids.
On the point of disagreeing with university lecturers. I did once, as a lecturer had a sociology theory completely back to front. You don’t get thanks or even recognition. The woman went silent and just straight up looked at me like I went in her house on Xmas day and p*ssed on her kids!!!!!
😂
Nowadays she would get you expelled for being "combative" or something.
Maybe you should've been taking science classes instead of sociology. I've never had that problem, my professors are typically grateful for any corrections by the students, It means they are paying attention.
@@aeroscience9834 You also get a degree that can get you a job.
@@aeroscience9834 You have to take certain classes to fulfill requirements. You should actually be taking classes that you wouldn't normally encounter in your major because you might end up broadening your mind and learn something new. This is actually one of the benefits to college.
Ironically most of Joshua's videos are addressing problems that a sociologist works on so I'm not sure why you are shitting on them here.
Josh, you’re my favourite TH-camr on corporate stuff. You always tell the TRUTH and have no incentive to say anything else.
Hi from Finland, i am studying toward medical physicist certification, in finland de facto requirement is phd in physics and 5 years on the job training in a hospital after your masters degree, you do your phd while at the hospital in paid training. This degree is free plus you get government money for living and stuff up until your masters when you transition to paid on the job training phase. I feel its worth it for me to go to college for this under these circumstances. I would also say do not pay single dollar for some bs gender studies degree. If you live in a place where you have to pay for college learn something useful and hard.
Yep. My engineering degree is from Finland as well.
Thank you for this video, its exactly what I was looking for. I am really trying to improve my life and youtubes algorithms keep bombarding me with "fast food self help" content like Sinek's. Its all just vain motivational speeches made to gets lots of views and trick the viewer into thinking watching those types of videos is working on self improvement. The reality is no amount of soothing voices giving generic motivational talks on top of chill background music will change your life. Its up to you.
I was starting to think I'm the only person who is sick of these motivational speakers. Not because I disagree with or dislike what they say, I'm just sick of people's fascination with these speakers
If we are all leaders and all followers, then there is not any leader or follower; just chickens running aimlessly with our heads cut off.
Or chickens chasing the eggs which are chasing chickens
Sounds like the daily zoom meetings at my job
@@VolcanicPenguin hahaha I hear you bro
I appreciate what you're doing. Corporations and start ups need to change
I was handed my "Start with Why" book from a company meeting and my first thought is "Who the f is this guy and why I should read his book?" After seeing where he came from and listening to one of his TED talks I didn't have to waste time reading it. To me he's just stating the obvious and like you said, make me feel good.
We have everything right to critic these "gurus" but then I realize after awhile why not let him. If he's helping someone in a positive way then go at it. It's easy to hate on him, every video I see his ego-sphere expanding beyond the universe. It may be cringe-y and obvious advice, but some people need this to keep motivated and may still steer them in a positive direction.
Motivational speaking and what i've seen more now which is life coaching, where ANYBODY can do it seems. I used to think time goes with experience, so why the F someone in their 20s has life knowledge over me who is way older? Now my perspective is to listen what they offer, regardless of who it is. If they offer advice or knowledge that I think is good, i'll listen. otherwise I won't and move on.
You should totally try it. I'll keep listening
Wow! A nuanced response... you’re gonna get in trouble for that... rules of the game here are black/white no nuance
@@beretaniastreet6384 😂 true
Glad you made a video about this guy. Every once in a while some clip of his popped up and it's almost always wrong
My weird “empath” aunt sent me his video about empathy after we got into an argument. I had feeling it was feel good nonsense.
Wrong
Simon is basically just a used car salesman for corporate incompetence, he says a lot of things but never actually gets any useful information across to the people hes speaking to.
Funny how these "motivational" speakers always work for themselves. If being a worker drone is such a noble calling why is he doing the opposite?
If you ask this, you didn't actually understand what hes saying. Maybe you do nowadays but who knows.
Great expose. A few others are onto the guy as well.
Sinek used to be nauseating ... now he has gotten better at cloning the insights of others as his own and covered with enough grease that he looks smart.
Man, I got leadership classes at my university. We watched the simon sinek famous ted talk. Man, usually it's just common sense but just written on a book "be a good person, be good with yourself, have empathy,etc"
I keep seeing people in my social media network sharing videos of Simon Sinek, and I always saw him as a self-help guru, with feel good messages but ultimately shallow. I couldn't quite put my finger on it and explain to the people in my network why I dislike Sinek, and why I don't think he's as wise as they think he is, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it like this.
It’s sick how they market “family” but discard family like garbage. It’s a business transaction stop the BS.