did you measure for pushrod length or did Anderson tell you what use? Also I'm assuming you know there's more to installing rockers than just tighten them down I've done it buy just torquing them down and it always has worked but if changing heads cam and rockers which I know you didn't change heads I would measure for pushrod length and follow the full procedure to get correct rocker arm geometry this is just to help others reading the comments I'm not trying to tell you or anyone for that matter how to do things that know what's going on just thought it might help someone who doesn't know trying to learn car sounds great.
That part was one of the things missing in the video. Anderson does recommend.050 longer pushrod for this cam. We forgot to order them so we decided to use the stock length which worked well. With that being said he is ordering the correct length for the car. Also I dropped the ball on mentioning the fact that I was ONLY referring to stock heads with pedestal mounts. Not studded poly lock rockers. I do apologize for not being as thorough as I should. This video was a wreck to edit.
1) Exactly what I started to ask. 2) Question is.... Measuring is the only accirate way to know the correct rocker geometry. Is CLOSE enough, good enough ?? Small time investment required.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY You do plenty to help people out I don't mind mentioning a few things that maybe will help out also nothing wrong with the video was fine people could always ask questions if they're not sure.
@@hotrodray6802 With a pedestal mount rocker you want 1/4 to 1/2 turn to the torque spec once zero lash is reached, if more or less then you would add or subtract shims.. that is on the base of the lobe. I'm not sure why they didn't bother checking that?? You'll know if it's incorrect because you will have valvetrain noise like you hear in this video. Also, you want to add some assembly lube, or at least engine oil to the tip of the pushrod, the cup on the rocker & on the roller tip.
Sorry for this crazy late comment, but I just had to go with .7 when I did it. Man it would be awesome to have an interested/dad,/ friend to work with in their garage. PROPS TO YOU MY FRIEND!!!
@@kenb1918 very true and when you put a 4 barrel on them they growl even louder i will never forget when I drove my first one when i was 8 its a sound i can never forget
Used to run their B31 in a 306 that was intended for N2O but never had it. With all the supporting bolt ons it made 321/336 on the dyno in naturally aspirated form. I’ve currently got an N91 sitting in the box on the shelf if I ever get off my tail and do my 408. I’ve just gotten too old and busy ( or lazy lol) in addition to having fun with my new Coyote…
I have b21 with 1.7 rockers stock bottom afr 165 heads, 4lbs of boost, FBO and (holley)terminator x 427RWHP ON mustang dyno that b21 cam sounds awesome.
alwased wanted a anderson cam but my stocker with goodies develiped ever so tiny vaccuum leake somewhere i never found..drives and runs fine with plenty of power and i gots the bump too!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@BREW2LFOXBODY we had one at my automotive work was thinkin about use it but whole place close down sell off all equiptment owner retire i loose job so....i just drive the car..unemployed for over a year now....
I have the 1.6 scorpions did know you can still get them anymore mine are pretty old pedestal style slap them on and go 👊🔴💪🔧🚗🦊🇺🇲 sounds good those roller rockers are some times uncomfortably noisy if you listen to hard run it for all its worth 💪💪🚗🦊🔥🙏🇺🇲
Couldn't help but notice the Hanlon motorsports flag in the background. I had them fully rebuild the T-5 out of my 86 GT way back in 1994. They did an excellent job and turn around time for me living in Illinois at the time was fast! Great to see they are still hard at it!!! Oh and I used Anderson motorsport for my mass air conversion on the same car!
I made an Anderson cam spec post on the corral about two decades ago with the same user name. I made 296/339 with this cam, my own ported explorer intake and my own ported gt40 heads. Car went 11.86@117/118 in 1999-2000ish. I too ran them with 1.72 rockers. The b21 and b31 were identical specs except the b31 was meant for 1.6 rockers. This is actually a blower cam, but runs excellent with a high compression NA setup or with nitrous. Speaking of nitrous, this cam is almost identical to the n21 cam abet a slight difference in centerline
One last time before I give them to someone else....if Andrew wants some free stock headlights that are not yellow...I'll ship them to him for free....just doing it because your channel inspired me to do all my own work on Trinity (88 lx)...it's all good either way master Brew2l 👍
Now I want one. I used to race dirt track mini-stock class and so many mustangs were chopped up for dirt track 4 cylinder racing it wasn't even funny. They were a dime a dozen back then. Personally I ran a Ford pinto chassis because I liked the suspension better for a dirt track surface it was just easier to tune into the track surface than the mustang suspension setup was. Leaf springs with shackles and double wishbone front suspension is much quicker to adjust than the struts and four link in the back of the mustangs. I love a fox body for what it is but a dirt track car with suspension rules to abide by was not a situation that it excelled at. It wasn't as adjustable to the surface nearly as quickly or easily as old fashioned leaf springs and double wishbone front suspension was. The drag strip was where the fox body excelled honestly. It came with everything necessary straight from Ford to be able to make it work well. Leaf springs are a whole different animal at the drag strip requiring much more adjustment to make things work night to night.
You have to love those Anderson cams! I put an N-41 cam in my fox and it was NASTY!!!! I loved driving that car and it always got attention from people at stop lights and gas stations!
Can you do a video on the 1987 foxbody engine explaining every wire/hoses saying what they are and what they do? I would like to know what I need and what I can clean up and put aside since my car doesn’t have an ac compressor and I have some unconnected hoses laying in my engine bay!!
What is max lift for this set-up.....my heads are rated for .550 max lift....do I need to get stiffer springs for .600 max lift??...i try not to rev past 5,500 rpm. Running elbrock e street heads 2.02 valves.. pistons have the big valve reliefs....I'm more worried about maxing out the Valve springs
I know hi now andrew feels. I just put a crower 15511 in my vert and it sounds like hell lol. I haven't let it run long enough to pump up. I've heard others say just tighten them up wherever too but been afraid to hurt something. Do you even count the turn after zero lash or just tighten them up? I was under the assumption they need to be torqued down to 20#
I loved my N-41 in my 5.0 that I put in my 90 Mazda RX7 after the 160hp 15mpg rotary, I decided why do that when I can easily get 320 HP with hand ported and milled GT40P heads and it got a better 25 mpg with my foot out of it. It was a good mild cam with great drivability, If I remember right it was 224in 228ex with 112 centerline and around .540 lift or so with 1.7 roller rockers (was like 25 years ago) An old friend of mine has a first gen RX7 that weighs like 2400lbs with a LS3 and a turbo that is pushing a little over 650hp to the wheels, as you can imagine he says it is more than a hand full! th-cam.com/video/o8uicwy49Ho/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Motorin
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did you measure for pushrod length or did Anderson tell you what use? Also I'm assuming you know there's more to installing rockers than just tighten them down I've done it buy just torquing them down and it always has worked but if changing heads cam and rockers which I know you didn't change heads I would measure for pushrod length and follow the full procedure to get correct rocker arm geometry this is just to help others reading the comments I'm not trying to tell you or anyone for that matter how to do things that know what's going on just thought it might help someone who doesn't know trying to learn car sounds great.
That part was one of the things missing in the video. Anderson does recommend.050 longer pushrod for this cam. We forgot to order them so we decided to use the stock length which worked well. With that being said he is ordering the correct length for the car. Also I dropped the ball on mentioning the fact that I was ONLY referring to stock heads with pedestal mounts. Not studded poly lock rockers. I do apologize for not being as thorough as I should. This video was a wreck to edit.
1) Exactly what I started to ask.
2) Question is.... Measuring is the only accirate way to know the correct rocker geometry.
Is CLOSE enough, good enough ??
Small time investment required.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY You do plenty to help people out I don't mind mentioning a few things that maybe will help out also nothing wrong with the video was fine people could always ask questions if they're not sure.
@@hotrodray6802 With a pedestal mount rocker you want 1/4 to 1/2 turn to the torque spec once zero lash is reached, if more or less then you would add or subtract shims.. that is on the base of the lobe. I'm not sure why they didn't bother checking that?? You'll know if it's incorrect because you will have valvetrain noise like you hear in this video.
Also, you want to add some assembly lube, or at least engine oil to the tip of the pushrod, the cup on the rocker & on the roller tip.
Roll tide
Yea baby😎!
Good one guys
I have a 5.0/AOD in a '69 F-100. This is a great channel for some great SBF tech! Thanks from Southern Colorado.
Andrew HEADLIGHTS!
😂😂😂😂
Sorry for this crazy late comment, but I just had to go with .7 when I did it. Man it would be awesome to have an interested/dad,/ friend to work with in their garage. PROPS TO YOU MY FRIEND!!!
Andrews car Is sick!!!
Nothing can beat the sound of a pushrod small block ford!
Exactly 👌
Man I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had mopar and Chevy guys say that, just something about the sound of a SBF that just makes it stand out
@@kenb1918 very true and when you put a 4 barrel on them they growl even louder i will never forget when I drove my first one when i was 8 its a sound i can never forget
That thing sounds nice!!!!!!!
Some old AFM numbers in case anyone was wondering…
Anderson AFM
AFM B1 220/222 .490/.530 110
AFM B2 218/224 .524/.544 w/1.6 rocker 112
AFM B3 218/226 .542/.542 w/ 1.6 rocker
AFM B4 224/232 .542/.563 112
AFM B25 218/226 .544/.544 w/1.7 rocker 272/280 112
AFM B-21 218/226 .542/.542 w/1.7 rocker 272/280 112 108
AFM B-31 218/228 .544/.544 w/1.6 rocker 270/280 112 108
AFM B-41 228/236 .544/.544 w/1.6 rocker
AFM B-4R(renegade cam) 226/234 .544/.544w/1.6 294/302
AFM B451 232/240 .576/.576 w/1.6 rocker 112
AFM N2 ? ? ? ? ?
AFM N3 218/226 .542/.542 w/1.6rocker 280/288 110
AFM N4 222/230 .512/.512
AFM N6 ? ? ? ? ?
AFM N-21 219/229 .512/.512 w/1.6 rocker 110
AFM N-41 222/232 .512/.512 w/1.6 rocker 110 106
AFM N-51P 228/238 .499/.4976 w/ 1.6 rocker 110
AFM N-61 228/236 .544/.568 w/1.6 rocker 110
AFM N-71 232/240 .576/.576 110
AFM N-81 236/244 .568/.576 110
AFM N-91 240/248 .576/.576 110 106
Used to run their B31 in a 306 that was intended for N2O but never had it. With all the supporting bolt ons it made 321/336 on the dyno in naturally aspirated form. I’ve currently got an N91 sitting in the box on the shelf if I ever get off my tail and do my 408. I’ve just gotten too old and busy ( or lazy lol) in addition to having fun with my new Coyote…
N-21 should be w/1.7 rocker and duration is actually 220/228@0.50
Thanks for the update Stephen. I’d update my website but it’s been shut down for years.
I have b21 with 1.7 rockers stock bottom afr 165 heads, 4lbs of boost, FBO and (holley)terminator x 427RWHP ON mustang dyno that b21 cam sounds awesome.
Yeee
alwased wanted a anderson cam but my stocker with goodies develiped ever so tiny vaccuum leake somewhere i never found..drives and runs fine with plenty of power and i gots the bump too!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you build one of the smoke testers? Definitely should help find that leak.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY we had one at my automotive work was thinkin about use it but whole place close down sell off all equiptment owner retire i loose job so....i just drive the car..unemployed for over a year now....
Love it Mr. BREW2L!
Gnarly, dude!
You’ve got an awesome channel. I need to start at the beginning one day to watch all you vids
The n21 is basically a Ford racing f cam. Lift 512-512 duration 219-229 110lsa. Old alphabet cams. 90s
Nice job , 👏 Sounds Great
Hell Yeah!!!
Nothing sounds better on a 50 then flow masters😎
Man that sounds beautiful
So many good cams that I can't use in California 😢
B cam mafia
yup shes still ticking aa bit.
Loved the thumbnail for this video! Your thumbnails are so creative
Thanks 🙏
Nice!
Great job fellas
Good job young buck!
Wow . Those headlights need some love . Lot's of love.
😂👌
Hi, yo need change valve springs? To install this cam
Yes. Anderson sells the springs as well.
Need to do this to my 79 mustang ghia coupe
Great job on this 👏
Ughh those 93 Cobra R rims up on the shelf 😍😍😍…possibly my favorite mustang wheel
Ohhh boy she sounds awesome now
Chopping pretty awesome!
Good job Andrew sounds good
I run the N412 it's a talker and a good street cam
I have the N41 cam, love it!
I loved your reassuring tone with him.
It’s nice to have someone that’s gone through things before.
Is it fuckin 1994 ? Who is still cam swapping a 5.0 coupe with a stock intake manifold?? Holy shit they’ve been living under a rock for 26 years
Another awesome video!👍
I put a n41 in mine and the 93 cobra heads and gt 40 upper and lower runs good for what it is
Sounds very good. Well done
Damn look at that shop though
😂😂 Andrew was looking pissed he say it sound like rod knock
That's the cam I recently put in my 93 Cobra.
I have the 1.6 scorpions did know you can still get them anymore mine are pretty old pedestal style slap them on and go 👊🔴💪🔧🚗🦊🇺🇲 sounds good those roller rockers are some times uncomfortably noisy if you listen to hard run it for all its worth 💪💪🚗🦊🔥🙏🇺🇲
Couldn't help but notice the Hanlon motorsports flag in the background. I had them fully rebuild the T-5 out of my 86 GT way back in 1994. They did an excellent job and turn around time for me living in Illinois at the time was fast! Great to see they are still hard at it!!! Oh and I used Anderson motorsport for my mass air conversion on the same car!
Love it! Awesome video man that cam sounds mean!
I just wish I could order a cam from them. They need to get their shit together and get some cams in stock.
Sounds pretty good 👍
Enjoy all your vids, my pops is using a n41 Anderson cam in his new 306 setup. Hoping its sounds and performs good
Good Video!!
The car sounds great!!
Sounds good. Nice work!
I dont know what it is but i love to see you in your Proud moments.
I’m definitely proud of how much Andrew has learned😎
I made an Anderson cam spec post on the corral about two decades ago with the same user name. I made 296/339 with this cam, my own ported explorer intake and my own ported gt40 heads. Car went 11.86@117/118 in 1999-2000ish. I too ran them with 1.72 rockers. The b21 and b31 were identical specs except the b31 was meant for 1.6 rockers. This is actually a blower cam, but runs excellent with a high compression NA setup or with nitrous. Speaking of nitrous, this cam is almost identical to the n21 cam abet a slight difference in centerline
There is no replacing that sounds these days. Nothing like a cammed V8 with a deep exhaust.
Agreed 💯%
One last time before I give them to someone else....if Andrew wants some free stock headlights that are not yellow...I'll ship them to him for free....just doing it because your channel inspired me to do all my own work on Trinity (88 lx)...it's all good either way master Brew2l 👍
@BREW2L
Pay it forward sir, well done.
Let’s do it!! He’s never gonna buy a set anyway 😂 thank you brother I appreciate that. He’ll he happy when they’re installed 👍
I send an email for your address.....ty boss
LMR please donate this man some headlights.
Decent fox body mustangs have become hard to find. When I was younger I didn't care for them very much because they were literally everywhere.
Now I want one. I used to race dirt track mini-stock class and so many mustangs were chopped up for dirt track 4 cylinder racing it wasn't even funny. They were a dime a dozen back then. Personally I ran a Ford pinto chassis because I liked the suspension better for a dirt track surface it was just easier to tune into the track surface than the mustang suspension setup was. Leaf springs with shackles and double wishbone front suspension is much quicker to adjust than the struts and four link in the back of the mustangs. I love a fox body for what it is but a dirt track car with suspension rules to abide by was not a situation that it excelled at. It wasn't as adjustable to the surface nearly as quickly or easily as old fashioned leaf springs and double wishbone front suspension was. The drag strip was where the fox body excelled honestly. It came with everything necessary straight from Ford to be able to make it work well. Leaf springs are a whole different animal at the drag strip requiring much more adjustment to make things work night to night.
Hell yeah. Good job Andrew, Sounds good!
Still has A/C too😳👍🏽🍻
Does cams or rockers add torque or hp? Thk u
This cam good got turbo ?
What part of bama y’all live in I just moved to gardendale Alabama from Florida just bought a coupe I’m building
You have to love those Anderson cams! I put an N-41 cam in my fox and it was NASTY!!!! I loved driving that car and it always got attention from people at stop lights and gas stations!
Can you do a video on the 1987 foxbody engine explaining every wire/hoses saying what they are and what they do? I would like to know what I need and what I can clean up and put aside since my car doesn’t have an ac compressor and I have some unconnected hoses laying in my engine bay!!
You ever driven a high comp heads/cam sbf?
Yes sir! One of my favorite combos instant power 🔥
Hi , where can I buy this cam . Can't find it anywhere on line .
Sounds good, great job Andrew
Could i use this setup im a AOD Fox
I use to run it in mine, it’s awesome
If Andrew isnt going to put headlights in the car. Hook him up with a wet sand and compound/polish on them.
Awesome job bro!!! Keep it up and sounds bad ass!!!
Maybe it’s just the audio, but that thing sounds like a like a model T with some extra cylinders?
Wow what a difference, great job Andrew. Now the white spider is talking some shit, and with some better exhaust
the white spider will sound so sweet.
Them jakes @4:48
Andrew!!!!!! Come on with the headlights!!!!!
I was going to use this cam but went with the n41 when they became available again
I never understood why Anderson doesn't put their cam specs out. Main reason I've never installed one.
1.7RR can be used with stock pistons and the B21. Like 2400-6200 rpm range or something like that.
I'm thinking about swapping Bcam with N41 for my setup.
Leaving us with a teaser lol
What is max lift for this set-up.....my heads are rated for .550 max lift....do I need to get stiffer springs for .600 max lift??...i try not to rev past 5,500 rpm. Running elbrock e street heads 2.02 valves.. pistons have the big valve reliefs....I'm more worried about maxing out the Valve springs
Sounds good! This might be a dumb question but you don’t set your valve lash?
Not on hydraulic cams and lifters.
Hey man, appreciate the shoutout! I’m just glad y’all were able to get ole Andrews car up and thumpin. Love the Merch by the way!
I know hi now andrew feels. I just put a crower 15511 in my vert and it sounds like hell lol. I haven't let it run long enough to pump up. I've heard others say just tighten them up wherever too but been afraid to hurt something. Do you even count the turn after zero lash or just tighten them up? I was under the assumption they need to be torqued down to 20#
A camshaft from a company that doesn’t put out the measurements to the public? What are they hiding, because calipers are pretty damn simple to use?
You only get the specs on the cam card when you buy the cam. I think he was respecting that by not sharing it.
@@jamesweaver7262 I think you’re correct, but why would he care?
She sounds mean after some modifications lol. Kickass job Andrew 🤘🏻
Lifters scared me one time I replaced the valve seals.
How big is your shop?? Looks pretty sweet! I’d have to use more trusses in my area for snow load lol
Andrew still have his terminator?
Throw some old school Mac exhaust on it
Great video. We should do a collaboration together. We can port parts for you so you can do before and after gains.
Love my N41 cam. Pulls hard and sounds amazing. Use a straight through exhaust muffler I promise you'll love it.
I loved my N-41 in my 5.0 that I put in my 90 Mazda RX7 after the 160hp 15mpg rotary, I decided why do that when I can easily get 320 HP with hand ported and milled GT40P heads and it got a better 25 mpg with my foot out of it. It was a good mild cam with great drivability, If I remember right it was 224in 228ex with 112 centerline and around .540 lift or so with 1.7 roller rockers (was like 25 years ago) An old friend of mine has a first gen RX7 that weighs like 2400lbs with a LS3 and a turbo that is pushing a little over 650hp to the wheels, as you can imagine he says it is more than a hand full!
th-cam.com/video/o8uicwy49Ho/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Motorin
Oh yeah, the new lifter pump up sound! About like an inline 6 with solid lifters cold!
Sounds good for being completely closed up with old stock exhaust! She is definitely going to bump with some free flowing exhaust system.
After modifications sounds like a beast!
Been running those same rockers on my 306 E cam car and they are noisey. Sounds awesome Andrew! I'm buying bar stools!