Shashi Tharoor and Kapil Sibal on the Toxic Cocktail of Politics and Religion That's Poisoning India
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- In this episode of Central Hall, Kapil Sibal and Shashi Tharoor have a freewheeling conversation on the place of religion in Indian politics - how it is being used to push a polarising, identity politics - and also the challenges facing the INDIA alliance as we come up to the 2024 Lok Sabha elections.
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It's wonderful to hear great brains speaking for "BEAUTIFUL INDIA "
For that all communities must participate. That is a challenge my friend.
Happy Birthday dear Sasi Tharoorji
Trully
@@MM-pm7kgAlmost impossible in BJP's rule
Indeed a very challenging one.
The beauty is that you can both agree and disagree and agree to disagree and continue to dialogue. This is part of common and diverse identity. Thanks Kapil and Shashi for this open conversation.
diasgree..but agree to lose the elections big time!..lol
This is how educate people discuss & brings ideas together for common good.
There was never India but from 1947 as Union of India. Before that all individual princely states and Rajas. There was never pluralism in these princely and Raja states. If there was pluralism why domicile rule in now Union of India ? Why rations in different forms ? Coming to religion. Why Indians have 330 crores gods and beliefs and faiths ? This is pluralism in religion ? Religion, Territory, Language are created by ONE TRUE GOD. You and me are created by ONE TRUE GOD. Religion is said in English and Dharma is called in hindi and so on in the world. In India There is prohibition to enter in some Hindu temples in kndia. Plus ladies are separated from menstrual occurrences. Why ? Look at Christianity religion of God Jesus Christ thru His Father Almighty God. Do Christians ✝️ have all these differenc. Coming to Government, Creation Hindu Rashtra is breaking India. There is no inclusiveness pluralism togetherness but just words especially from Modi and RSS. India has to have a government of the people for the people and by the people. Shashi and Sibal spoke only of Hindus. Where are Muslims ☪️ Christians ✝️ Dalits Atheist ⚛️ Monoiest and all others ?
@@blandinoviegas4262 what is the definition of "one true god"?
@@blandinoviegas4262 dharma is not religion...get ur facts right...
Message by Kapil Sibal to INDIA alliance is very important.
You( KS)are one of those who is to be blamed for today's situation !!
Yet absurd. Shouldn't they know what is needed to be done without being told?
@@mathewthekkel2940 Partially agree. He was also part of the mess that was created by the Congress.
Exactly! We really need effective spokespersons like Kanhaiya Kumar, Supriya Shrinate, Sanjay Raut etc.
Congress had 60 yrs to do what Kapil is preaching.
The country is in right direction, in education and health care as well . Divided Alliance will never work
This conversation should be dubbed in all the languages of our country and shared.
Need Tamil
Today we don't have good quality debates and discussions that used to happen during the UPA era .... But we do still have some places left in this country where people can sit together, disagree and still conduct a good quality discussion ! .... This is the power of democracy .... Enjoyed the conversation ! .... Thank you .... 🙂 .... 🙏 ....
Can't ignore these pressing concerns in India. Time to unite for the benefit of all.
Sibal suggession for INDIA alliance👌
Indian land geography itself is diverse. India's soul is in diversity….!
Wonderful to hear two brilliant politicians discussing this issue
Two?
Wonderful, illuminating, refreshing. I agree with Mr Kapil Sibal, the alliance projection, image, figure to match the ruling party/Modi is crucial. The Alliance to defend the Constitution, highlight the doldrums of the economy, unemployment, the plight of the poor, minorities, farmers, the concentration of wealth on a few hands, the destruction of environment ecology, crony capitalism recent electoral bonds etc
❤ Happy Birthday dear Honorable sir! God bless you, your fly and friends mightily! I thank God for your services for our great ancient Nation!
Felt so great to hear from two brilliant intellectuals about their worry towards current situation in India... truly wonderful
Really. Cos they speak elite English. Load of jargon.
current situation= 5th largest economy...
Both are definitely more educated and experienced as compared to some of the biggest Politicians in India, and definitely more honest.
@@stallionspirit1576 1%
The top 10% of the Indian population holds 77% of the total national wealth. 73% of the wealth generated in 2017 went to the richest 1%, while *670 million Indians who comprise the poorest half of the population saw only a 1% increase in their wealth.
941 yrs
It would take 941 years for a minimum wage worker in rural India to earn what the top paid executive at a leading Indian garment company earns in a year.
What an enlightening discussion by two stellar intellectuals who have brought to the fore the weopanisation of religion in today's toxic politics.
@@suriyhaprakhas356 you mean anti-rss and anti-bjp who are not Indian to the rest of us lol. Go cry to papa modi and give him a kiss for us
Rohan Davis ki maa ki tashreef ke saath Khela hai Kapil Sibal 😂
@@rohanxdavis Are you the certificate dispensing authority??
Happy birthday Tarorji ✌️
As Kapilji rightly said, we need to have Spokespersons for INDIA and giving message to youth about hope in plurality, education & health is the immediate action required.
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Many many happy returns of the day to the person majority of Indian admire most. HAPPY BIRTHDAY
SHASHI JI.🎂🌹
Happy birthday Mr. Shashi Tharoor. India needs great men like you, to lead us back from the stoneage that Modi has taken India into in the past almost 10 years of his draconian rule.
@@annilinesudarshinikawal9720 Really we need thoroughly gentle and educated with worldwide experience, persons like SHASHI THAROOR.
Great conversation INDIA Alliance has to pay heed to kapil sibal's words about campaign
Well done Mr Sibal as Education and Health are a good beginning.
Happy birthday dear Mr. Tharoor and good wishes for you and your role in our country to be effective for a long time.
The pluralistic idea of India was destroyed when Congress accepted separate electorates, when Jinbah demanded Partition and the Congress passed a resolution resolution accepting it. So much for pluralism
Congress set the stage for goons way back. We're witnessing it now. All one needs is a provocateur..
What an engaging conversation! Full of intellectual inputs and valid logics. Please make it a regular affair. Thanks.
Absolutely. This conversation is valued by anyone with some amount of intellectual girth. I loved the ideas expressed here
Very interesting and informative interview. Happy Birthday 🎂 to Shashi tharoor 🎉
Thoughtful and wise action plan for India alliance from Kapil sibal. Need spokespersons who can speak in Hindi as well as who can highlight India alliance standpoint on how to make future India better.
My bothering to collective fight against BJP by INDIA Alliance is now rightly answered by Nr Sibal. His views are much note worthy and seriously looke into and start implement immediately. Thanks to both Sibbal&Tharur.
Pl do free india from satainc clutches of bjp.
I like the points make by Kapil S.
Messages needs to be conveyed to the masses who has suffered under the regime since 2014.
Happy Birthday to Dr. Tharoor.
Thank you bhai
Absolutely intellectual, authentic and true secular thoughts.. We need to learn from history and avoid repeating the same mistakes again that is what is needed for 'Akhanda Bharat' Every politician need to be on the same page when we talk about Indian progress ...
Happy to hear such a great, civil, insightful conversation.
The way they contextualized the history of the nation, pluralism that was understood by rishi's and being made a joke of with the definition of religion being portrayed in the name of vote bank politics.
It is a sad reality of our nation and like mentioned here, it can lead to huge issues in the coming future for the nation.
The ruling party of the time, clearly doesn't care about the constitution.
If being given a chance for the third term, the next thing that will be in danger will be the constitution of this nation that gives the judiciary independence from the executive branch.
very brilliant discussion by two brilliant statesmen of this great nation.they both should be given their rightful position to execute their talents in nation making
Happy Birthday to Dr.Shashi Tharoor and Pray God Almighty bless you abundantly. Thanks to the Wire and Kapil Sibal for this presentation. As Kapil rightly says Religion is a very personal issue because we are unable to comprehend the full meaning of real spiruality. Only recently we see how these political parties are using religion as a way to sway and misguide the people. The ignorant and backward people are easily moved and get emotional. What is so beautiful in our Army Services is that there is no place for Religion or the Army does not encourage any religion, since equality is sublime. There is a good reason why the Great Mahatma Gandhi Said that "" God has no religion"" All Men are equal in the eyes of God. It is our dirty politicans who want to use Religion to further their own interests. Jai Hind !
I totally agree with Mr. Kapil Saibal, that there should be atleast a few people in each states to speak about the vision of " INDIA " and a team of cordinator/s based in Capital to match the voice of present Government and substitute the misinformation by it.
Sadly all these politicians are fighting for Money Power bungalows and enriching themselves and their families.
For the last couple of years, we are being deprived of such fruitful discussion or debates and conversations on important issues whether on TV, in parliament or anywhere else .
Such a nice discussion,great to listen from both of you
This is what knowledge and educated people are unlike most of are elected representatives in today's world
What a brilliant discussion, it was a treat….thanks Mr Sibal & Mr Tharoor 👌🏻
A good suggestion by Kapil Sibal, INDIA alliance must appoint persons to propagate it's manifesto.
Great conversation which every sane Indian should listen to.
Excellent talk by two great stalwarts ! Hatsoff to you both Sirs.
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Mr. Sasi tharoor is an important personality because his knowledge and experience is far away from many politicians. I like him very much and hope he can become a good Chief Minister after a few years from now. His hair style is changed now, but i like the old style because my grand son is around seven years now and he used his hair style also just like sasi tharoor and I use to tell him to show me that style because I like it and he is in Manchester, UK. PL. convey this to Mr. Sasi tharoor. ❤
Even God can't save our country if such thing happens.
We are always with neutral and intellectual media ❤😂🎉..
When educated people talk you are able to hear and respect multiple opinions. ❤
True.
We have forgotten humanism... Equality
Read sanathana codes, where there is no equality, only varnas
Excellent. Thank you Mr Kapil Sibbal and thank you Mr Shashi Tharoor.
Very very congratulations to Mr. Shashi Tharoor......,.🎉🎉
When Shashi tharoor sir mentioned that there is a rise of authoritarian support (83%) in india and people believe that they should have a leader who doesn't have to worry about parliament and all...
To which Kapil sibal sir replied, "that's the idea of enlightened despot"
That one line was n eye opener... Just how the common masses have been made to perceive Modi ji as...
Happy Birthday Sashi Sir! May God bless you abundantly.
Great discussion and we need more of such discussions to tell people that we have great minds to lead us.. Also, I wish if they consider topics about reforms in state and central opposition political structure. I have seen in UK parliament having opposition govt with shadow ministers. each shadow minister will observe the policies brought by their counter part ministers and enlighten people explaining drawbacks and also proposes alternate policies. so more leaders will be involved in opposition and people will get to learn what exactly happening with the govt and country.
Great salute to you both for the delightful conversation of the highest order 🙏
So enriching...so intriguing...so touching... Thanks Wire
Just knowledge and pure wisdom in the room, this is what earned my subscription to “The Wire”. Both of them are true gentlemen, discussing everything with a neutral viewpoint and with clear intent, motive and understanding, this has been an enlightening experience! 😊
Hat’s off to the team and everyone involved!!
very nice and useful discussion
Happy Birthday Dr Shashi Tharoor.....God bless you in winning the elections from Trivandrum 🙏👏
brought smile on my face when TH-cam recommended this video.......always pleasure to hear them.
I, as a 70+ citizen of my country, don't want to appear pessimist, but undoubtedly am worried, whether the much revered and talked about Constitution, will at all remain and exist in it's desired formafter a few months, if present establishment returns back to the office.
worried about being...5th largest economy...going to be 3rd largest??
Opposition needs ground leaders who don't give up to agencies pressure and a strong narrative to attract voters and win the hearts of people then elections !
The talk has moved ahead a lot to philosophy of a secular state from current hate politics..🫡🫡🫡🫡
Such amazing and inspiring people . I adore both of you. Stay strong and stay healthy. Gob bless both of you .
Very important & enjoyable discussions 👍
Please do conversation in Hindi so that such valuable information can reach the masses! Thanks
Use less discussion.
*I found it very informative*
Constructive discussion❤
@@atulkumar-pr4youseless to the useless people
Use more English so entire India can hear this.
Atleast you guys agree that India is secular because India is Hindu
As a indiann Muslimm I totally agree,india is secular because of a Hindu majority. But the way bjjp had radicalized young generation will only harm the future of our nation.
Indiaa was proud of its young population assets but it'll go in vain if we don't get ourselves developed before the population ages. China did it very well,now they're a superpower,while we're still stuck in the history.
How can one possiblly torture modern day indian Muslims because the foreign rulers from the middle ages were coincidentally Muslimm
Yes todays Muslim is not responsible for what happened centuries ago
What my Muslim brothers and sisters can do is join the mainstream and fight for a place for themselves as equals and not as a vote bloc
Happy Birthday Shashi Tharoor sir!! Personally you're my biggest inspiration and role model and you have had a profound impact on my life in choosing my carrer path as international Relations, You're books have guided me with knowledge and of course Your wisdom in english language has helped me with, thank you so much sir!!
important and very relevant discussion... Shashi tharoor sir and Kapil sir 🙏🏻🙏🏻👏👏💕💕
Will you let Shashi speak 🤔
Ya... Kapil Sibel is too eager to talk and express his opinions instead of getting guest's opinions. Maybe he like to hear his own voice :)
धर्मों रक्षती रक्षतीः
Happy Birthday dear Shashi Tharoor. It's lovely to hear two intelligent people discuss our country which requires like minded people like you bring awareness to the people of the rotten happenings in today's India.
Very fruitful discussion...... 💯 agree to their standpoints , thanks for this highly crucial session
Great personality s
Please make shashi tharoor the next PM. Someone educated and classy.
Toxic cocktail of Religion and politics.
I heard a Jain preacher told in a discourse that politics and Religion are two eyes of a person.
I like both these guys. I here them for their English, knowledge and neutral politics. Good job The wire..Good 👏 👍
So what about the IFTAAR PARTY in rashtrapati bhawan?🤔
Just love this discussion.
Dear Sri Kapil Sabal,
Thanks for bringing Dr. Thsroor for the conversation!
Coz I am a congress person from his constituency!!
Though mocked program perhaps his intelligence is unmatching!!! I know you both are two knowledgeable persons existing in India for the Congress party!!!
It is so educative to listen to such scholars debate
Our constitution has not allowed torture of women in the name of religion.
Religion got reformed. Never forget Sati
Ohh suddenly u thought about
"" constitution "" ......⁉️
There r animals who don't want to recognise wrongs in religion.😂 Just wanna live in 7th century. Thanks to our social reformers who reformed Hinduism.❤
Does constitution allowed spreading hatred as jihad, jizya tax, maal-e-ganimat, gazwa-e-hind in the name of religion ????
@@coastofkonkan No one is practicing sati but jehad, jizya tax, maal-e-ganimat, gazwa-e-hind is going on due to appeasement politics of those politicians.
We want an India safe and secure for the comming generation.
@krishnanbgk.. with the likes of tharoor and sibal gettinf irrelevant, and congress decaying - future generations of bhArat are quite safe. I am not saying BJP is the only or perfect solution. Just in case you are about to fling something at me....
Beautiful talk ❤
Where alse can we find intellectual debate like except the wire and between two great intellectuals. Thank you both to Shadho Tharoor and Kapil Sibal.
Let Tharoor speak!!!!!!!
Such an insightful conversation.
One of the best i have ever listened 👍
Very enlightening
Brilliant minds, truly!!
Nutshell Congress muslim appeasement is 'secular' 😂
Muslim voting in block 'secular'
But hindus/other voting/breathing/existing is communal 😂😂
😂😂😂
Exactly. They already prized for those in election in 14 and 19 and also will be prized in election in 24 .
well I mean if modi can use it why not congress lol its just all politics but me as a citizen when I look at other countries India seem to be lacking in the basics and fundamentals so much like education idc about modi or anyone but the matter is that our level of education is so far behind major economies even some African countries are doing better and its not either of modi or congress but citizen itself only compromising for survival , bus chalne do hume kya I want a leader who really is visionary like Mr. kalam and take our country to next level and please don't argue that modi is the one lol he's doing what is bare minimum as person who comes from business background
@@Typhonnyxgo to Africa 😂
It is really refreshing to hear Mr. Sakshi Taroor and Mr. Kapil talk. Something for the good of common man.
This is real meaning of hav'n Conversation & Debate, where you don't dominant the other person of makn them accepting your Opinions & statements. A Conversation & Debate should resonate Respect as the fundamental principle of it.
Why do we act so shocked now, when we stood by watching as it happened day after day, year after year, over a decade.
You are right Tharoor. Criticizing Hinduism is not wrong. But only criticizing Hinduism is. That is what congress and other alliances doing. This makes the other religious group believe that are perfect but being mistreated.
सब नमस्कार मैं भी कपिल ही हू मैंप्रधान हूं आपकी जो इस चीज है बहुत अच्छी लगी है मुझे
Most informative, communicative and intellectual - goading you all politicians to reach it common citizens of a pluralistic/ secular India in a simplified language as was done over more than six decades. India has to prepare itself for alternate views in politics and look beyond slogans
Mr Tharoor's soft hindutva in display!
We are a beautiful country. We have the capacity to lead the world using Gandhian principles. We do not need America, China, Russia as role models
May god bless these Amazing gentlemen who Have spoke M the truth about our country india with no Bias towards any religion but fare discussions and how I wish the present day politicians can be trained by these Shrewed politicians to look For a better india if not its going to be Disaster for india as specially when the present goverment involve Religion as there weapon to put down Minorities and that is bound to collapse sooner or later thanks to these great gentlemen Sir Sashi Tharoor & Sir kapil Sibal god bless you two .
Great conversation
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Take this ---------->👟👅
Why secular congress supported Khilafat movement?
Why secular congress divided country and created Islamic Pakistan but not Hindu rastra?
Why muslim majority state Kashmir have special status?
Why reverse shahbano judgement by congress? Why special privileges to minorities in educational institutions scholarship, Hajj subsidy, wafq board grant, imam salary, personal law and many more based on religion? Are Hindus getting any such privileges as a minority in any country across the world? Why big temples under government control?
They never give you any answer s because in their points of view Hindus lives not matter
Congress didn't create Pakistan, Brits did, approved by Congress and Muslim League. Congress is hardly a Muslim supporting party, and proof for it is there in the Sachar report. It was Congress that refused to share seats with Muslims that made people like jinnah demand Pakistan. All the cow slaughter ban in India was started by Congress.
A lot of the examples in your silly post above are just weak. For eg: there is no hajj subsidy today, so what r u on about? The subsidy came into being when travel by sea was stopped, to help the poor who couldn't afford air travel. Congress didn't create Pakistan, Brits did, and was agreed by Congress and Muslim League. Personal law is not just for Muslims, but is given to Hindus as well. The special provisions for Kashmir was due to the instrument of accession signed by the Hindu king Hari Singh
Hindusim is an amalgamation of various philosophies, it is not a monolith and is amorphous to the extent that it assumes the nature of being tolerant if and when it is scrutinized ... but basically the religion as such is based on class division and the perpetuation of that division ... It's because of India's constitution that hindusim has not been able to become intolerant but that's changing as more and more people seem more interested in calling themselves as Hindus that living as Hindus ....
@@LITTLE-ROCK which are Hindu personal law? Just put Hindu before law it's does not means Hindu personal law? And if there is Hindu personal law then need to remove and convert to comman civil code,
Also happy birthday to dear Shashi tharoor ji, 🌹
Kapil - these are great conversations !!!! Can you please get the tech team to work on the microphones on you and the guests please
saari tolerance Hindu ko sikha do baaki apne votebank ke baare me kuch mat kehna
2 rs konse account me bhejun ?
We want to look one' of you as pm of india
It was heartening to listen to Kapil Sibal ji's deep intellectual ideas. I agree with him on so many levels except patriarchy.
Great conversation! Education & Healthcare for all Indians. This should be our Dharma!
Kapil sibbal fought case for pfi😅