I was there among the audience. Many people have complained about cuts. Let me reveal this was because Makarand tried to derail the debate with his continous bickering which Shoma moderated with finesse. Javed Akhtar didn't utter a word to derail the debate while Makarand, as a man child he is, interjected, blabbered and misdirected multiple times. It was a masterclass in moderation by Shoma Chaudhury amidst such high level intellect of Javed Akhtar and cunningness + gaslighting with multiple terms and narratives by RSS spookie Makarand. Shoma Chaudhury hats off. Media editors and self professed high shot news anchors must watch and learn!🙏 PS: If whole video is released then believe you me, Makarand's image of being intellectual will vanish within seconds!
@@ankitBhartiya2 Kiddo go get lettered. google the difference between Quoting someone and praising. He's Normalizing an invader? Ancient hindus are the one who accepted invasion of Mughals . Did not able to fight with them because you guys only know ho how to torture, bully and kill a weak, poor like dalits. You don't have the guts to accept the wrong that has been done by you don't give us moral lessons.
It's not easy to be a moderator between these kinds of speakers and for this complex topic. Shoma Chaudhury did a fabulous job. 👏👏 And obviously it's a treat to listen to Javed Akhtar ❤
I am big fan of Javed Saheb. He always put very strong arguments for his case. However, in this debate, I particularly liked the role played by moderator. This was the best that this debate between two strong persons could be moderated.
Criticism of Islam and unprovoked violence against Muslims are two very different things. Javed Akhtar makes it clear. We can support the other and strongly condemn the other at the same time.
@@nit23sharma the entire West does that especially after 9/11 for decades. Literally invaded Middle East cause of it, what were the consequences for the West for that invasion?
@@nit23sharma Why do u care of consequence....even critising hinduism has consequences from stupid ass people and so does from stupid ass other side radicalists....both lie on same plane.....BUT CRITISISM IS MUST.....selflessly
Mr Makrand was going so out of topic that it became a debate between him and the moderator first to make him understand the theme of the discussion and then to let him debate with Mr Javed.
Clubbing all the religions as the same, Hinduism is scientific and humanistic religion. Purpose of abrahmic faiths is to worship sky god and each of them claim their way is the only way and if you follow any other way the sky god is going to torture you till eternity. Hinduism is a humanistic religion which means its purpose is to help humans live a happier and moralistic life. Hinduism is also a scientific religion and based on sound philosophy of Upanishads & Gita. Hindu god will not punish you for not believing in him.
Seriously Javed sir nailed it. Other debater's should prepare well. Speaking difficult words does not make any impression. So, Be simple and connect to the audience, do not speak to himself.
अच्छे प्रोफेसर को समझने के लिए दिमाग चाहिए । एक शायर तुमको फिलासफी नही समझा सकता । तुम वही सुनना चाहते हो, जो तुम्हारे दिमाग में फिल्म वालो ने भर दिया है ।
Prof. Marakand is missing the theme of the debate here and is giving it a Hindu vs Muslim angle stating Hinduism is better while Javed Akhtar is condemning both the religions.
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Wow, I feel Javedji is just superb, when makarandji was speaking, I was having the same impression that this man is somehow trying in vain to cover up and then when Javedji comes, he is so bang on and accurate. Just loved it 👍
@@neverEndingvoid525 you can't complain about his parents because they are not setting narrative in public meetings like javed. At least think before writing this kind of statement 🤦
I always enjoy the talking skills of Mr Jawed Akthar. So practical, and enjoyable plus logical. May he live longer in good health for more entertainment for people.
As we all know, a prayer is a sincere plea to the Almighty for ourselves and others to seek His assistance, direction, protection, forgiveness, etc. Since faith is a fundamental prerequisite for asking or accepting prayer to Almighty, therefore, it's quite illogical to ask for a long life and health for Javed who does not believe in faith.
He was factually incorrect about Akbar Mughals , and manusmriti 😂you want to follow atheist who gives you reference while quoting follow the caravaka podcast
@@theacousticwolf Javed sahib was actually being nice not only to Makrand but to all British-created country called India. Why were kingdoms from Northwest ( current Pakistan) such as Maurya, Kushan, Dahir, Prithivi, etc., not considered invaders? Mauryans alone killed 30 million ganga jams and destroyed thousands temples of polytheists. They didn't know what hindusthan or India was. Ask south Indians. They hated Indus valley and its kings and refused to call themselves Indooz aka Hindus ( a name given by persians to ppl of Indus Sindh - now in Pakistan) until indra gandhi bombed the heck out of Tamil tigers twice. South Asia is a region and never a natural country. Whoever tried to unite it had to go through millions of deaths and 100's of wars. At the end of that kingdom this regions went back to its original position of over 50 historically, culturally, religiously, racially and linguistically separated nations. Remove British given army and then see your ekta and akhandta. The 1st ones to leave would be all Northeastern states.
Javed sahab is very clear with his thoughts and has the expertise in articulating the same. Whereas Mr. Makrand is playing with the fancy vocabularies, he is unable to connect the dots his thoughts are not channelized. Beating around the bush 😊😊
Shoma Chaudhary moderated the talk brilliantly, one of the rare occasions where the moderator knows the job and without taking sides seamlessly finishes such a controversial but important conversation between two intelligent people. It is very easy to agree with Javed Akhtar, i share most of it myself what he points out. He makes you understand why religion should not be followed blindly and the inherent problems of being religious. However, i can not dismiss most of the things Prof Markrand mentions. The position he takes in this discussion is the controversial one and he does it brilliantly with immense poise and without raising his voice even once. commendable to say the least and even at places where Javed Akhtar almost 'seduces' him to loose his demeanour, he resists in a very dignified manner, mostly with a smile and without interrupting the flow of conversation. A rare example of conversation between two different opinions without any chaos and adding to the content. a very good interaction and to my mind with no losers on either sides.
Did you see the video at all? The RSS guy clearly lost his poise multiple times 42:14 , 42:26 . Moreover he missed the theme of the debate here and is giving it a Hindu vs Muslim angle.
@@indrajitpant276 Who are you fooling? I have never seen a Brahmin with Liberal mindset. Brahmins have historically thrived on caste-based hierarchies, often using religious supremacy to maintain their dominance over other castes. It's the archaic Brahmanical ideology, upheld by people like you, that's holding India back from progress. Shame on you Indrajit!
@@existentialbabyI am ST, I am also Proud Hindu. Most of the people talking about Dalit issue doesn't do so with the intention of solving the problem but they want to use it push their own propaganda. Dharm has never ever propagated discrimination, Varn was based on Karm. It is mentioned in Manusmriti & also in Rig veda. One of the hymns of Rig veda says "I am singer, my father is physician, my mother is grinder of corn(chakki wala kaam)" Member of same family can belongs to different varn. Yes, overtime everything corrupts even Democracy whom we are so proud of is showing the sign of Rotting, it will become more apparent in next 30-40 years.
@@jamalakhtar9783 it's a question of debate . Fhilal javeed Saab hi kyu soche Kya sochne ka tekha 2-4 logo ka hai ?? Humanity tabhi aayegi jab religion ko tata bye bye boli jayegi.. rahi baat law & order ki Uska religion se kya lena dena common sense se lena dena hona chayea.. Kya religion ka invention saza dene k liye hua hai kya ?? Aur itna hazaar saal se religion raha konsa aacha hua ? Sab tikh ho gaya kya ? Kya burai khatam ho gayi aisa kuch ?? Yaa log apraad karna band kr diye aisa kuch ? Religion is a stupid idea to make people moral .. Q ki gyaan dene mai samjhane mai samai aur urja lagta hai .. to sabko darra do to sab sudhar jaynge .. Jabke hona ye chayea k mentally wo sahi galat k bich ka farq samaj le bhale time jitna lage lekin jab samaj aajayega to Kam se kam wo dusra ka dimag mai kachara nhi daalenge
Without any doubt, I can say that Javed Saheb is more knowledgeable than most of teachers of all the religions. I request that one religious meet sd be organised in an auditorium. Religious teachers sd be permitted to ask Javed Saheb their questions. Let it be continued for many days, entire Indian Public sd listen to it on TV. All the religious teachers would finally agree to Javed Saheb that humanity with logics/ reasoning is best way yo live on this earth. Hats off to Javed Saheb. Simply great.
It is not your fault though. I this age where superficiality is at its peak, people take things at face value without trying to get deeper into the matter. If God exists, it’s sensible to accept that to u der stand HIM you will need to make an effort
Javed sir trying to make the conversation between religion and atheist but makarand trying to pull the conversation into Hindu dharma and trying to make Hindu dharma is different and true
Why are there so many cuts in between? A full video must be uploaded without any cuts. We deserve to see the full discussion between these two great people. Pls upload full video.
@@adityap9223believers will always feel it like an arrow through their heart you know.... So is the case with you..... Your beliefs, stupid rituals and superstition of any religion you follow are lame not this quote....
😂😂 Human beings didn’t have company of any religion to come to this stage of civilisation and also don’t require any religion to go further from this point. 😂😂
I don't think so,,,,coz how many money and food you donate to poor people on daily basis ????? *If you don't have any job then also Do you force your parents and family to spend their savings and bank balance to provide food for the poors ?????* . No right 😏 Then pls for the sake of argument don't say that you are following humanity🙏🏻 😏
@@sanyogpatial1819 people can change and their thinking can change as well and as humans we have the basic right of having our own set of believes , so nothing is non existent here.
No he isn't....he is merely promoting his own credentials egotistically.....there is so much he hides....he talks of the impermissibility of Sholay today and cleverly shoves films like PK under the carpet.....totally agenda driven
@@rabinderkoul1577 I don't understand what made you feel like I'm not educated. I'm an MBBS graduate and a practicing medical officer. Even if you don't fully agree with someone, they can teach you valuable things.
@@deepsareen1 One does not have to know a person completely. The Comments on the public forum on specific topic exposes the person about how educated, a person is ona specific issue. If you cannot figure this much, I pity the Schools and teachers who educated you.
34:02 When javed saab said "hindus should not behave like muslims" , he himself is saying majahab is different than dharma. So javed saheb doesnt know what he is talking
Deep down inside Javed akhtar is a follower of Professor Makarand. The mediator was like what's wrong with him. Instead if contradicting why is he agreeing with the Prof. Let me change the topic to Hindutva and Hinduism.
Hindus historically have been very different from Muslims. But this doesn't mean Hinduism as a religion is any better than Islam as a religion. It is also filled with useless rituals and made up laws and discrimination, just like other religions. But yes, Hindus have historically not acted so dogmatic and violent as Muslims. This doesn't mean their religion makes more sense. The good thing about Hindus is they have allowed people to even disagree with their central scriptures, but even in this they are admitting that their scriptures also have some questionable things.
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
@@JoJo-hj4tx you have absolutely no understanding of how power structures work and why certain countries are sanctioned for having a different perspective or outlook on life.
Oh really are you supporting javed just because he quoted Hindu texrs or do you agree that javed being murtad should be punished accordingly as islam says 😊
Hindutwa means to be a hindhu and then live in India but jawed akhtar live there in India as a athiest it means that hindutwa is based on hypocracy and false thinking. Okay
Quotes.: I was reminded of a quotation by the famous American physicist, Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize winning theoretical physicist. Weinberg said "Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. For good people to do bad things it takes religion
Quoting a famous personality doesn't prove anything. What is "good"? and what is "bad"? There's only "what is" on a purely nihilistic worldview because you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way. Look up David Hume's 'IS-OUGHT' problem
@Paran953 Openheimer also quoted from Bhagvad Geeta and Erwin Shrodinger from Upanishads. Openheimer talked referred to Christianity and Judaism as those were the religions he was familiar with. How does that give you the license to quote him when you do not know that in what context he said it. You may want to impress the public by giving his name, but tell me what was his contribution to Physics?
@@jostnamane3951 The Noble Quran Surah Al-Baqarah 2:177 It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and each and every act of obedience to Allah, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masakin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and gives the Zakat, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.) in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqun (pious) This is definition of righteousness by Quran
You included. Secular materialism is a fringe religious movement that is supposed to be an alternative to traditional religion but fails to answer a simple yet self-destructive moral dilemma, the 'IS-OUGHT' problem.
@@ankitBhartiya2 Lol when that guy was whining about getting screwed by Akbar, that's not victim card?? If beta males were not able to protect, they should just accept then they were weak then by your argument. You want to have the cake and eat it too...How RIDICULOUS!!!
Well, I am an atheist, and i believe that we don't need to have debates around faith. Forget religion its a Western concept. Reason being people have full right to pursue and believe whatever faith they want, there isno point in demeaning some ideas because they do not match yours. This is called antitheism not atheism. It's like those orthodox preachers who flock the roads saying that join my religion. A lil more extremism and you become communist. In fact, if we further take it to extreme level, there could be antitheist terrorists.
At start Jawed Saab said there is no difference in religions, but at around 30 minutes. He says Hindus had elbow space that is being taken away and he tells Hindus to be not like others. This is a point to be delved into.
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
You can be a Rationalist and still believe there is a Creator and Pray to it for whatever reason. They are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In fact, stating out right there can't be a creator, (it can be a he or she or even a it) is actually Irrational. Don't you think ?
@@DharmendraRaiMindMap "stating there can't be a creator is an irrational statement". Yes that's what I am saying, These dumbos who call themselves as "Atheists" are not actually Atheists, they are anti-theist. If someone wants to be to Scientifically correct/ rational, they should instead say, they don't even know if they is a God or Not, they can never know. There is word for it, it's called being Agnostic. And when it comes to topic like, Existence of God/creator of this Universe, these so called Atheist are as dumb as people who say God exists. That's what the other speaker what was trying to say, unlike other religion, Hinduism is not actually a religion, it's a collection of philosophies to lead your life. You may either believe in God, you may not, both are welcomed in Hinduism. There isn't one book you have to follow, there are many, just discard the bad things and all you are left with is philosophies which will help you better your life. That's what Hinduism is all about. There are philosophies, just select what you like, discard everything else. There is no blasphemy, because Hinduism is not even a religion in the first place. Would love to know, where you beg to differ ?
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
@@Insaniyat980 Religion is a very personal matter dear. They are just debating their personal views. In the end to each their own. What is important is that we allow each other the space to grow through our own experiences. This is the essence of mostly every other religion.What do you think ?
Which India you are talking about, it is Hindus did it good. Hindus are more than is why it is good, any example of greatness where muslims are more in number, how many pieces India became in 100 yrs, that India did not have any Bhaichara, speciality. And see next 25 yrs only. It is Islam that is destroing peace and prosperity of world.
@@brahm-ahamasmi we r people of vedic civilization. Essence of Vedas is captured in Upanishads and encapsulated in Bhagwat Gita. Bharat was a vast country from Afghanistan to Indonesia. Many people have written many things. Only those portions are to be accepted which are in agreement with Upanishads and Gita and rest not to be considered.
@@jhunuj6243So basically whatever is written in few books becomes the final word for us ? So we have our final book(s) just like abrahmic religions ? I am not against your point of view and wont say you are wrong , maybe you are right and maybe someone else is, just want to explore what you have written a bit more.
I've never read Manusmriti but there are certainly objectional quotes in it that have been pointed out by many scholars. But that's the catch. I've never read Manusmriti despite being born in a Hindu family. I've never been asked to, infact nobody from my family has ever read it. Neither do we have Ramayan or Mahabharat at my home and never have I been asked to read them (However I'm interested). But this is not the case with other religions. You have to read the text, you can not condemn those books or the saying of those books. The people following those books believe all verses to be the true word of God and refuse to accept that it could have been polluted over a thousand years.
But that's not the case with Quran,today most of muslim ummah are following islam the same way as it was 1400 years ago, wordings of adhaan and namaz are same as it was 1400 years ago,Quran is not only the book of prayers,Quran encompass spiritual as well as material level of human life,eg Allah says read salaah and give zakah,means Allah orders us to do namaz and give charity,then Allah forbids interest on debt (ch 2 v 278-279 of Quran)and today we are witnessing the violation of this verse,almost all are under debts,and rich is getting richer and poor is getting poorer
(1) If you have not read Manusmriti, how do you know what is in it and what is not in it. (2) Is manusmritti Governing our Laws. But Muslim Personal law (Sharia) is implimented. Basically you admitted that you are ignorant of the Manusmritti but you have heard a about it many times, so it is authentic. Wow you are such a scholar.
Yes, manusmriti is oppressive. But as is the way with sanatan, every thought, theories, ideologies were permissible. Let people decide what they identify with. For example; Rishi Charvak was a capitalist and Rishi Ashtavakra was an atheist. Yet their scriptures, theories are part of Ved. Sanatan Dharm is very inclusive in nature. 😊
The Hindu or the Sanatanis are the only courteous people, they don’t care what they are addressed as, just listen to the cheering of Javed when he says he doesn’t believe in any religion. The audience may be the picked seculars.
Anchor addressing Javed as Sahab and Profeesor with no similar respectful word is because of legacy of slave mentality of Hndus ruled over and enslaved for 800 yrs by foreign Moghul and British invaders.😂
Javed is burnt because he can't embarrass Hindus like before He used to embarrass them in sholay And enjoy But he didn't know there was no social media then Now Hindus will expose his cunningness
@@Ritesh-rj1sp javad sir is the voice for voiceless ppl. Rss and isis can't stop him from speaking truth. Ya modi will wil be exposed daily. Be pity sure on it
To be real Hindu is to first take a deep dive into yourself and leave behind all the materialistic world, which people have forgotten and have become prey to the filthy politics
Shoma Chaudhry is just AMAZING. What a dignified moderator. And how well she managed to do her job. A masterclass in moderation indeed. And Javed Akhtar, I tip my hat to him. I too was amongst the 75% he cited who did not catch a word of Mr Makarand's 'intellectual mumbo jumbo'. Loved this exchange.
Javed used the word philosophy several times but it seems that he doesn't have any idea about philosophy. Even hardcore atheist philosophers would spit on his face for every single word that he uttered.
It is the responsility of people like Javed Akhtar to preach tolarence and inclusiveness to the followers of his religion and also followers of his atheism.
His religion and atheists is itself an oxymoron which morons dont get it. Atheists dont care about any religion nor incite violence in the name of god or religion so its the responsibility of religious people to maintain peace since they are the ones who take offence to their gods and religion and incite violence.
It was a marvelous public discussion between a highly trained intellectual & a natural one with intrinsic intellect & many gifts. "Thank you", to the chanel, the hosts, the debaters & to the brilliant, extraordinary anchor! 🙏😊 My question: why is the program truncated midway 🤷? Why hasn't it been allowed to conclude in a civilized way?
Javed lacks Knowledge of History and So about Spirituality within Dharma, also... He is somewhat toxicological. Moderator is partial towards Makrand and diplomatically manipulative, Moderator are not to give his/her view by interrupting in between. Makrand is a professor whereas Javed is not a researcher and if a person is Communist/Leftist/Atheist can never pick books to read & learn about Dharma within indic religion and for the sake Chinese Philosopher/Dhamra as well. Javed is also using his age to manipulate the debate and reactive with rage/anger.
i was there and it's supposed to be a 50 min session it was a part of IFP and upcoming sessions and guests were lined up, maybe eth host could have been more strict with javed but ofcourse when such a big perosnity involved you kind of want to give em a few mins leeway for power diffference, i remember javed juvenielly threatening that he come to this annual festival again next year if he isnt given last word despite him being given ample time, this was not the sole even and this is when a thinker develops rationalist enough ego to touch on narcisism, i am saying all this despite bieng a fan of javed and an agnostic myself
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
You didn't understand. He said it clearly that he doesn't do so cuz he as everybody knows Islam would not accept it and all the while also accepted that Hindus are to be respected in that aspect because they are open to it. Actually even Makarand said it in his own words, if you try to reduce Hinduism to Just another dogmatic religion when it is a loss. And you my brother are trying to do the same.
Beautifully debated by Dr Makarand paranjpe sir. I respect Javed sahab but he is really unaware of many historical facts about mughal. He himself said don't become others. What remains to debate after that.
Logic and faith can coexist. Consider the great Ramunajam for example. Unfortunately, that has not been perpetuated as we have a singular view of which should be more powerful. We should all remember: Logic appeals to the cognitive mind, faith appeals to the emotional mind.
Meanwhile Adi Shankarachaya centuries ago debating on logical grounds, from God to materialistic world. Just because Akhtar's religion is completely based on rules and authorities with no scope of questioning doesn't mean all religion are the same
Vedanta is not even known to majority of Hindus lol. Idol worship and demigod worship has been ridiculed in the Vedas and Gita... Just read them. They have been described as those for a lower level mind. The point is, all religions are same in practice, regardless of what the shastra preaches...
Paranjape good sir Spoke with clarity but slight correction on hindutva as it means knowing essence of sanatana dharma in depth which Hindu was disconnected from long as text book not taught and nor parents🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics As he said there was not any words like dalit but the question is why were the aystem of upper & lower caste this is how religion evolved & extremism born for ex islam came from saudi arabia but if you see the saudi islam then you can find out shia & sunni islam but when that islam evolved in india then ahmadia islam happened even there are majority of muslims who óppose ahmadia as a muslim but the point is this is how religion evolved just like a cancer if it happened in your body then it can be grown up
Are you sure? In India, secularism has come to mean advancing Islam. You can see it in Javed Akhtar’s examples of Akbar and other Mughals as secular. India didn’t go that way because of it’s strongly rooted religious traditions. Akhtar and the leftists want to deracinate Indians with ‘modern rationality’ to wipe the slate clean, so India too can go that way. In your own examples, the collapsed states are those where Islam managed to overcome the indigenous religions. Sanatana Dharma doesn’t ask for faith, it asks for logic… Akhtar’s is a straw man argument.
@@MR.FlyingMonkey dude I'm an atheist, and I criticize Hinduism. But looking at your profile, I seriously doubt that you're one... the odds point to you being a Muslim. And the irony of you people using vile words like "pajeet", when that word very well could be used for you.
Basically Javed is saying that hindus should tolerate the abuses and also wants hindus to ask muslims to become like them all expectations from hindus but he has no.guts to ask muslims that why they can't tolerate Taslima and Salman rushdie😊
A very balanced moderation by Shoma ji. Makrand was completely off track he should have answered the allegation of region being irrational or belief in God being superstitious, which he didn't! But as a person of reasoning and rationality, I call out all the atheist including Javed Sahab to tell me how this universe which has a beginning in time and came into existence from non existence without a cause!? There are only two possible answers: 1. This universe itself is its creator which essentially means it is intelligent, self sufficient and eternal. This cannot be! as science itself says that universe is neither eternal, not intelligent and neither self sufficient. 2. The second explanation would be that it is created, sustained and designed by an external, intelligent and self sufficient creator. There is no third explanation for this universe. So even when you "BELIEVE" that there is no creator for this universe, you are basing it purely on your belief and faith while rationality demands belief in God.
Javed akhtar interview checklist points and ready reckoner... 1) faith and belief - example of north pole..conclude faith to stupidity 2) god doesnt stop all evils of society although He has all power 3) 2 peg par religion rukta nahi..sar char jaata hai 4) religion is opium of public..God is a santa claus of adults 5) Akbar se bada great and forward thinker is desh me paida hi nahi hua. 6) India's rich GDP during time of Akbar, Jahangir and Shahjahan. Quote Thomas Row during the time of Jahangir 7) as long as i am abused by both sides, i am happy.. problem will be if i get abused from only one side 8) praising India's democracy and concluding which you will not find till you reach the Mediterranean coast 9) dad whispers communist manifesto in his ears when javed akhtar was born.. foundations of rationality and atheism 10) example of Galileo..earth is round..etc 11) aap athiest ho kar bhi communal ho sakte ho...quotes Jinah, Savarkar.. 12) there is nothing like blind faith..faith ka matalab hi hai blind 13) on being asked why are you Atheist? Because I think... 14) satiring that Eid par mujhe 200 mubarak baad aa jaate hain ..yet he likes to celebrate it and all festivals..hamein hamare tyohar and culture wapas de do...
I am ST, I am also Proud Hindu. Most of the people talking about Dalit issue doesn't do so with the intention of solving the problem but they want to use it push their own propaganda. Dharm has never ever propagated discrimination, Varn was based on Karm. It is mentioned in Manusmriti & also in Rig veda. One of the hymns of Rig veda says "I am singer, my father is physician, my mother is grinder of corn(chakki wala kaam)" Member of same family can belongs to different varn. Yes, overtime everything corrupts even Democracy whom we are so proud of is showing the sign of Rotting, it will become more apparent in next 30-40 years.
If Mr Javed is so honest in his views then ask him to debate any mullah or Maulana’s and debate with him on Islam, and say on face that Islam is a fake religion JA is dishonest person that he will never debate any Maulana on a public platform, he is such a big hypocrite who cud dare only debating Hindu’s guru and intellectuals.
@@jostnamane3951 yes, like how you know about "what is" a rainbow and how it is formed but you still enjoy the sight of it. And just like how you know all about "what is" digestive system from your high school, yet you enjoy desi sweets and savouries. You know "what is" your favourite film and that it is all made up by a bunch of people, but you still enjoy every bit of it.
@@albiorixsaturn3532 what are you even talking about? I'm talking about the "IS-OUGHT" problem. You cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way. Therefore there's only "what is" on a purely nihilistic worldview. what "OUGHT" to be can never be justified because it presupposes the idea that everything we do MATTERS. But it doesn't matter on a purely nihilistic worldview as we are merely a cosmic accident devoid of free will.
@@jostnamane3951 Science and rationality have addressed a great deal of our problems and conundrums. If there are some unaddressed, it doesn't mean we can fall back to dogma, faith, and tradition. If science can't address our conundrums and help moral evaluations, more science is the answer, not less(dogma, faith, superstition, etc).
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics As he said there was not any words like dalit but the question is why were the aystem of upper & lower caste this is how religion evolved & extremism born for ex islam came from saudi arabia but if you see the saudi islam then you can find out shia & sunni islam but when that islam evolved in india then ahmadia islam happened even there are majority of muslims who óppose ahmadia as a muslim but the point is this is how religion evolved just like a cancer if it happened in your body then it can be grown up
But that is a normative statement. You cannot derive "progressivism" from the fact that the world IS a certain way. Therefore a religion being progressive or regressive is completely arbitrary. Social norms or prevailing culture isn't what we are supposed to use to define whether something should be considered progressive or regressive. He already lost the plot if he used normative statements to try to prove which religion is better.
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
Morality is the kryptonite of atheists who make more than enough "OUGHT" statements but inherently know that none of that actually matters on their worldview because you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way under a purely nihilistic worldview.
@Astrophile2345 you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way because all of that presupposes the idea that everything we do MATTERS but it doesn't matter on a purely nihilistic worldview as we are merely a cosmic accident devoid of free will. Of course, you have a personal relationship with the word "logic" but when the tables are turned, you reckon.
@Astrophile2345 but what does that have anything to do with Morality being an atheist's kryptonite? "There is no logic in your statement" You were referring to my previous statement where I said, "Morality is an atheist's kryptonite." It indeed is. You cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way. It's from the perspective of a purely nihilistic worldview. I'm not a nihilist and I believe in free will. YOU are a nihilist therefore morality is your kryptonite and you cannot make any normative statements against religion.
Many inconsistencies and fallacies in Javed’s statements.. spent the first 5 mins excruciatingly explaining the difference between Faith and Belief and then jn the next segment forgot it all and started admonishing all belief systems.. spent a long time trying to explain that he wasn’t a communist but had the same prism that Lenin used to comment on different religions.. couldn’t understand the basic difference between Dharma and Religion, but at last lost his cool and started ranting about how good the muslim invaders were.. it was apparently a left leaning crowd and at many instances was seen pandering to the audience than indulge in a civil discussion and at the end despite being in the wrong, was rude not only to the fellow panelist but also the moderator.. typical hypocrite at play..! Thanks Javed for showing your true colours, yet again!!!
Anyone who doesn't agree with the panelist you like is a fool, that's what I can see. Just because I and some bad person agrees that sexual violence is wrong, doesn't mean I'm same as the bad person. Similarly, if someone believes all religions are bad, and Lenin happens to believe the same, it doesn't make him Lenin. 😂😂
@@shanblues7257I don't think you understood what the original commenter said, you are too fixated on the parallels drawn. While the essence was, javed seemed two faced, his points were not consistent, and lost his cool because if the loss in debate. Thats why its hard to take javed's words seriously. And yes if your veiws are similar to lenin you would be considered a neo leninist, just as some people are considored neo nazi. Javed doesn't get hide hide behind the ambiguity of whether he is a communist or not, if his way of thinking is communist.
Yes, ofcourse, we need religion but what we need more than this a country not run on the basis of religion but pure intelligence!! Look at Singapore they managed religion, infrastructure, people, trades, education everything when even whole world gave up on that place!!! That's what leadership is!!!
@@ArjunAJ-nw7rl no no, a country like ours will crumble without religion, don't blame religion when this country can't have good leader to balance everything.
Billions respects to the logic , reason and reasoned form of reasoning of Javed Saheb.
Too much reason. 😝🤣
😂😂😂😂😂 you smelling the 💩 with aaahahahaha😂😂
Seeing Javed sahab's hand shaking. Sad to see this legend getting older.
sign of Parkinson
Ohh i got you kid. Give your phone to your dad beta. Youre just 8 year old...@@bazlur-Vancouver
Sad the way we are losing our great thinkers and the emergence of staunch opinionated politics
That professor is so one-sided, lopsided in his thinking. Total garbage.
Thank god he is!! He is a great fool
Hats off to Shoma Chaudhary for doing such a great job.
Javed Sahib is a real intellectual.
He is not a muslim. He is an atheist 😂😂
I was there among the audience. Many people have complained about cuts. Let me reveal this was because Makarand tried to derail the debate with his continous bickering which Shoma moderated with finesse. Javed Akhtar didn't utter a word to derail the debate while Makarand, as a man child he is, interjected, blabbered and misdirected multiple times.
It was a masterclass in moderation by Shoma Chaudhury amidst such high level intellect of Javed Akhtar and cunningness + gaslighting with multiple terms and narratives by RSS spookie Makarand.
Shoma Chaudhury hats off. Media editors and self professed high shot news anchors must watch and learn!🙏
PS: If whole video is released then believe you me, Makarand's image of being intellectual will vanish within seconds!
Try to get that for us Ankit.
RSS Stooges are not worth as always.
Makrand has done a great job.
Did you record some of it?
I think markand
is good at language not in wisdom
@@Prakashan-d5l Difficult words are no proof even for a Good Language or a Good Education.
I wish all debates have such good moderators
Man Javed Akhtar is a rare gem in Indian history, no one has stood on Atheist side as he had.
He was praising khiljee 😝. Normalizing an invader, Before claiming atheist credentials first he should behave as proper human being.
His atheistic moral doesn't quotes hadiths and quranic ayats on kafirs 😂😂😂 hypocrite
No he is an hypocrite ass hole.
@@ankitBhartiya2 Kiddo go get lettered. google the difference between Quoting someone and praising.
He's Normalizing an invader? Ancient hindus are the one who accepted invasion of Mughals .
Did not able to fight with them because you guys only know ho how to torture, bully and kill a weak, poor like dalits. You don't have the guts to accept the wrong that has been done by you don't give us moral lessons.
What is the definition of invador bcz he was muslim ruler invador was British who sucked you and country alauddin saved u from mongol@@ankitBhartiya2
It's not easy to be a moderator between these kinds of speakers and for this complex topic. Shoma Chaudhury did a fabulous job. 👏👏
And obviously it's a treat to listen to Javed Akhtar ❤
This is how the moderators in news channels should be. Mam you have done a great job. And Javed Akhtar sahab is just great. ❤
i found him lying quite a lot.
I am big fan of Javed Saheb. He always put very strong arguments for his case. However, in this debate, I particularly liked the role played by moderator. This was the best that this debate between two strong persons could be moderated.
Criticism of Islam and unprovoked violence against Muslims are two very different things. Javed Akhtar makes it clear. We can support the other and strongly condemn the other at the same time.
Where was criticism of Islam...plz tell me where we can do that without consequences
@@nit23sharma the entire West does that especially after 9/11 for decades. Literally invaded Middle East cause of it, what were the consequences for the West for that invasion?
Nonsense
Both are same. Nonmuslims don't promote Islam
@@nit23sharma Why do u care of consequence....even critising hinduism has consequences from stupid ass people and so does from stupid ass other side radicalists....both lie on same plane.....BUT CRITISISM IS MUST.....selflessly
Islam is perfect religion, and criticism is not possible. the death penalty is prescribed by quran itself. So where is the scope of discussion left.
Mr Makrand was going so out of topic that it became a debate between him and the moderator first to make him understand the theme of the discussion and then to let him debate with Mr Javed.
Clubbing all the religions as the same, Hinduism is scientific and humanistic religion. Purpose of abrahmic faiths is to worship sky god and each of them claim their way is the only way and if you follow any other way the sky god is going to torture you till eternity.
Hinduism is a humanistic religion which means its purpose is to help humans live a happier and moralistic life. Hinduism is also a scientific religion and based on sound philosophy of Upanishads & Gita. Hindu god will not punish you for not believing in him.
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Legend sir Javed Akhtar ji please do not get old the world needs you
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Seriously Javed sir nailed it. Other debater's should prepare well. Speaking difficult words does not make any impression. So, Be simple and connect to the audience, do not speak to himself.
That's limitation of your mind Mr MAN SINGH
is there a faceoff between muslim believer vs javed, and javed is bashing off quran and hadith. First try to Clean your house and community.
अच्छे प्रोफेसर को समझने के लिए दिमाग चाहिए । एक शायर तुमको फिलासफी नही समझा सकता । तुम वही सुनना चाहते हो, जो तुम्हारे दिमाग में फिल्म वालो ने भर दिया है ।
@@user-pm4jo5uz4r he cannot debate with Muslim scholars.
@@deshbhaktstrihe did many times and won😂
Prof. Marakand is missing the theme of the debate here and is giving it a Hindu vs Muslim angle stating Hinduism is better while Javed Akhtar is condemning both the religions.
That was his entire agenda. He is a snake.
Absolutely correct.
This type of prof. having brain in tha ass
theres nothing called hinduism, hes just trying to say indian traditions are different from what religion is.
@@rj23lolwa hai sab fantasy wala bakwas hi
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY CUTS IN THIS ????? WE WANT AN UNCUT VERSION OF THIS PLEASE !
Markand ka gala katwana hai kya bhai
Thanks. I was about to watch it. But due to the CUT thing I'm gonna leave this without watching and disliking as well.
@@Narendersingh-id5ng 😂
Because RSS and DHONG r synonyms
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Today i came to know that not all professors are educated 😂
Isiliye to alag subjects padhate hai 😂
Ab itna sach kaun bolta hai 😂
😂😂😂 when the prof. Says something I'm getting confused 😂
He derailed everything!
Wow, I feel Javedji is just superb, when makarandji was speaking, I was having the same impression that this man is somehow trying in vain to cover up and then when Javedji comes, he is so bang on and accurate. Just loved it 👍
Javed does gave cognitive inconsistencies and manipulatuing facts which makrand doesn't
@@Azazel-zo1gx or markand don't have any facts to speak out?
Ignorance is bliss
@muskanustad3834 yeah if you are deaf and dumb
@@muskanustad3834so you think javed your beloved Murtad should not be delt the way Allah says in quran 😊
Javed has made an accurate point in saying that we can't be selective. Rightly so!
javed is an old bozo
@@MrVish6666and so is your mother and father ? But you don't see us complaining about it 🤷🏻♂️
@@neverEndingvoid525 you can't complain about his parents because they are not setting narrative in public meetings like javed. At least think before writing this kind of statement 🤦
@JASIRORBOY who set the vague precedent that someone having or not having a platform decides whether or not it's okay to call someone "an old bozo"
@@MrVish6666yet his brain is younger and more dynamic than yours
I always enjoy the talking skills of Mr Jawed Akthar. So practical, and enjoyable plus logical. May he live longer in good health for more entertainment for people.
As we all know, a prayer is a sincere plea to the Almighty for ourselves and others to seek His assistance, direction, protection, forgiveness, etc. Since faith is a fundamental prerequisite for asking or accepting prayer to Almighty, therefore, it's quite illogical to ask for a long life and health for Javed who does not believe in faith.
He is a poet and script writer so he knows what people likes to hear whether it is more scientific or not.
He was factually incorrect about Akbar Mughals , and manusmriti 😂you want to follow atheist who gives you reference while quoting follow the caravaka podcast
@@theacousticwolf Javed sahib was actually being nice not only to Makrand but to all British-created country called India. Why were kingdoms from Northwest ( current Pakistan) such as Maurya, Kushan, Dahir, Prithivi, etc., not considered invaders? Mauryans alone killed 30 million ganga jams and destroyed thousands temples of polytheists. They didn't know what hindusthan or India was. Ask south Indians. They hated Indus valley and its kings and refused to call themselves Indooz aka Hindus ( a name given by persians to ppl of Indus Sindh - now in Pakistan) until indra gandhi bombed the heck out of Tamil tigers twice. South Asia is a region and never a natural country. Whoever tried to unite it had to go through millions of deaths and 100's of wars. At the end of that kingdom this regions went back to its original position of over 50 historically, culturally, religiously, racially and linguistically separated nations. Remove British given army and then see your ekta and akhandta. The 1st ones to leave would be all Northeastern states.
@@muhammadanees3461the commenter said "may he live". It is hope and not faith.
Javed sahab is very clear with his thoughts and has the expertise in articulating the same. Whereas Mr. Makrand is playing with the fancy vocabularies, he is unable to connect the dots his thoughts are not channelized. Beating around the bush 😊😊
Shoma Chaudhary moderated the talk brilliantly, one of the rare occasions where the moderator knows the job and without taking sides seamlessly finishes such a controversial but important conversation between two intelligent people. It is very easy to agree with Javed Akhtar, i share most of it myself what he points out. He makes you understand why religion should not be followed blindly and the inherent problems of being religious. However, i can not dismiss most of the things Prof Markrand mentions. The position he takes in this discussion is the controversial one and he does it brilliantly with immense poise and without raising his voice even once. commendable to say the least and even at places where Javed Akhtar almost 'seduces' him to loose his demeanour, he resists in a very dignified manner, mostly with a smile and without interrupting the flow of conversation. A rare example of conversation between two different opinions without any chaos and adding to the content. a very good interaction and to my mind with no losers on either sides.
You first admired the moderator and the Javed sir then proceeds to say what you want to say.. That's very clever. You already made your mind
Did you see the video at all? The RSS guy clearly lost his poise multiple times 42:14 , 42:26 . Moreover he missed the theme of the debate here and is giving it a Hindu vs Muslim angle.
Indra,
What's this Bakwas are you doing...? Makrand was a nonsense.
@@SouravSarkar-zs4hk not at all.. No need for such doubt, I have a a very liberal take on this.
@@indrajitpant276 Who are you fooling? I have never seen a Brahmin with Liberal mindset. Brahmins have historically thrived on caste-based hierarchies, often using religious supremacy to maintain their dominance over other castes. It's the archaic Brahmanical ideology, upheld by people like you, that's holding India back from progress. Shame on you Indrajit!
He has not replied about dalit issues.
avg proud hindu, I'm non dalit but what's hippocrisy is hippocrisy
@@existentialbabyI am ST, I am also Proud Hindu. Most of the people talking about Dalit issue doesn't do so with the intention of solving the problem but they want to use it push their own propaganda.
Dharm has never ever propagated discrimination, Varn was based on Karm. It is mentioned in Manusmriti & also in Rig veda.
One of the hymns of Rig veda says "I am singer, my father is physician, my mother is grinder of corn(chakki wala kaam)"
Member of same family can belongs to different varn.
Yes, overtime everything corrupts even Democracy whom we are so proud of is showing the sign of Rotting, it will become more apparent in next 30-40 years.
@@Death__0what would happen to Dr BR Ambedkar if he was a Muslim and burnt the Quran just like he did it with the Manu Smriti
@@fuyoutube854A is great becoz B is Bad??
@@fuyoutube854अल्लाह को प्यारे कर दिया जाता
Javed Saab rocks..🔥
No religion, Only humanity ❤
Ok lets bring UCC ,what say ?
Humanity me kya law and order hatwa Diya jata hai ?? Culprit ko kaise treat karte hai humanity me , zara javed shaab aur atheist logo se puchna
Javed said muslim faith is joke.
Aya maza
Are you an atheist?
@@jamalakhtar9783 it's a question of debate .
Fhilal javeed Saab hi kyu soche
Kya sochne ka tekha 2-4 logo ka hai ??
Humanity tabhi aayegi jab religion ko tata bye bye boli jayegi.. rahi baat law & order ki
Uska religion se kya lena dena common sense se lena dena hona chayea..
Kya religion ka invention saza dene k liye hua hai kya ??
Aur itna hazaar saal se religion raha konsa aacha hua ? Sab tikh ho gaya kya ?
Kya burai khatam ho gayi aisa kuch ??
Yaa log apraad karna band kr diye aisa kuch ?
Religion is a stupid idea to make people moral ..
Q ki gyaan dene mai samjhane mai samai aur urja lagta hai .. to sabko darra do to sab sudhar jaynge ..
Jabke hona ye chayea k mentally wo sahi galat k bich ka farq samaj le bhale time jitna lage lekin jab samaj aajayega to Kam se kam wo dusra ka dimag mai kachara nhi daalenge
Without any doubt, I can say that Javed Saheb is more knowledgeable than most of teachers of all the religions. I request that one religious meet sd be organised in an auditorium. Religious teachers sd be permitted to ask Javed Saheb their questions. Let it be continued for many days, entire Indian Public sd listen to it on TV. All the religious teachers would finally agree to Javed Saheb that humanity with logics/ reasoning is best way yo live on this earth. Hats off to Javed Saheb. Simply great.
So limited, so unaccepting, so fixed, so blind to the extensive logic that characterises the philosophy that is part of the Eastern religions
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@@Seshamani99then it's good to be a logical person rather andhbhakt
Javed Akhtar rocks. All fluffy, all big words cannot hide the truth and reality of adharma.
Ja na bhai
Twko bhi samaza nahi hoga sach batao 😂@@ays162
All are religions and all are same then he cleverly flips and wants Hindus not to be like semantics😂 what a rationality
You don’t have the ability to comprehend what MP has said.
It is not your fault though. I this age where superficiality is at its peak, people take things at face value without trying to get deeper into the matter. If God exists, it’s sensible to accept that to u der stand HIM you will need to make an effort
Javed sir trying to make the conversation between religion and atheist but makarand trying to pull the conversation into Hindu dharma and trying to make Hindu dharma is different and true
Why are there so many cuts in between? A full video must be uploaded without any cuts. We deserve to see the full discussion between these two great people. Pls upload full video.
I agree so many cuts when prof Makarand sir speaks
@@nikkeipvck8529that professor is chomu
Why this reference of great people, a discussion on beliefs is a common dialogue of pro’s con’s. Sadly this a very low level debate🤷🏻♂️
This is the standar practice of leftist, full debate will prove that javed akther is a buffoon.
Yeah same question
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
That a lame quote
@@adityap9223believers will always feel it like an arrow through their heart you know.... So is the case with you..... Your beliefs, stupid rituals and superstition of any religion you follow are lame not this quote....
Not as lame as Religions.
@ amazing argument
😂😂 Human beings didn’t have company of any religion to come to this stage of civilisation and also don’t require any religion to go further from this point. 😂😂
200%agreed with Javed Saheb
400% agreed with Markarand
@@mrbeyonder6081 mahendra I found a kid in your comment section 😂
I don't deny my religion , but today's scenario , I can only say that I am proud to say that, I am following humanity,
You must be a Hindu to even think and talk like this 😅
I don't think so,,,,coz how many money and food you donate to poor people on daily basis ????? *If you don't have any job then also Do you force your parents and family to spend their savings and bank balance to provide food for the poors ?????* . No right 😏 Then pls for the sake of argument don't say that you are following humanity🙏🏻 😏
@@ankitSharma43825 they just keep saying I follow "humanity" bro, it doesn't mean a thing.
Jawed sir let us have a debate with Dr. Zakir naik
Ur right when u r in safe country. Now ask same question in Pakistan. U will get humanity.
Hi. Can you please upload the uncut version?
My life goal is to meet Javed Akhtar and have a chat. He is very knowledgeable man in India ❤❤❤
As an ex Muslim atheist ⚛️ , i also get slammed from both sides , javed sir is totally true
Muslim and atiest is non existent.
@@sanyogpatial1819 be an ATHEIST
@@sanyogpatial1819 people can change and their thinking can change as well and as humans we have the basic right of having our own set of believes , so nothing is non existent here.
@@Adeel-m5i yeah people can change but people change only when it suits them or when it is convenient for them.. Javed is an opportunist. .
@@sanyogpatial1819 Really !!!!And what opportunities was he getting for changing his views ?
JAVED AKHTAR is a real Liberal and secular Man.
No he isn't....he is merely promoting his own credentials egotistically.....there is so much he hides....he talks of the impermissibility of Sholay today and cleverly shoves films like PK under the carpet.....totally agenda driven
@shiva4ever Only after PK , he realised the Sholay scene could not be done today .
he is a katmulla... what he is doing is known as Al-taqqaiyya
and you 😂😂😂
Javeed Akhtar 8s an Arheist 😊
It was a very healthy and enlightening discussion. A wise person is one who takes valuable ideas from both the speakers without being biased.
To be wise and find wisdom, one needs to be at least educated. Javed is not and you indicate that you are neither.
@@rabinderkoul1577 I don't understand what made you feel like I'm not educated. I'm an MBBS graduate and a practicing medical officer.
Even if you don't fully agree with someone, they can teach you valuable things.
@@rabinderkoul1577
To say what you said; without knowing a person, is surely lack of education.
@@deepsareen1 One does not have to know a person completely. The Comments on the public forum on specific topic exposes the person about how educated, a person is ona specific issue. If you cannot figure this much, I pity the Schools and teachers who educated you.
Finally Makarand showed his true color.
34:02 When javed saab said "hindus should not behave like muslims" , he himself is saying majahab is different than dharma. So javed saheb doesnt know what he is talking
Deep down inside Javed akhtar is a follower of Professor Makarand. The mediator was like what's wrong with him. Instead if contradicting why is he agreeing with the Prof. Let me change the topic to Hindutva and Hinduism.
Hindus historically have been very different from Muslims. But this doesn't mean Hinduism as a religion is any better than Islam as a religion. It is also filled with useless rituals and made up laws and discrimination, just like other religions.
But yes, Hindus have historically not acted so dogmatic and violent as Muslims.
This doesn't mean their religion makes more sense.
The good thing about Hindus is they have allowed people to even disagree with their central scriptures, but even in this they are admitting that their scriptures also have some questionable things.
@@whatsgood7840as an atheist true can't even argue with muslim folks
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
@@JoJo-hj4tx you have absolutely no understanding of how power structures work and why certain countries are sanctioned for having a different perspective or outlook on life.
Great Javed Sahab...
Beliefs and faith
By questioning..
Caves and trees....
Javed sahab in opening statement itself heavier than professor sahab whole statements
😂😂😂
The whole life of Javed lives like atheists, and punishment of atheism is death in islam. Read your Quoran. Wine drinkers Javed
Oh really are you supporting javed just because he quoted Hindu texrs or do you agree that javed being murtad should be punished accordingly as islam says 😊
Why you calling him sahib he is not sahib
You want to do something about that?@@liamjabriel0807
Hindutwa means to be a hindhu and then live in India but jawed akhtar live there in India as a athiest it means that hindutwa is based on hypocracy and false thinking. Okay
No religion. Only kindness, dignity, respect, and humanity is needed
Quotes.: I was reminded of a quotation by the famous American physicist, Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize winning theoretical physicist. Weinberg said "Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. For good people to do bad things it takes religion
Quoting a famous personality doesn't prove anything.
What is "good"? and what is "bad"?
There's only "what is" on a purely nihilistic worldview because you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way.
Look up David Hume's 'IS-OUGHT' problem
@Paran953 Openheimer also quoted from Bhagvad Geeta and Erwin Shrodinger from Upanishads. Openheimer talked referred to Christianity and Judaism as those were the religions he was familiar with. How does that give you the license to quote him when you do not know that in what context he said it. You may want to impress the public by giving his name, but tell me what was his contribution to Physics?
@@rabinderkoul1577 r there any agencies to give me license what to quote ?
@@param953 what is "good" and what is "bad"?
@@jostnamane3951 The Noble Quran Surah Al-Baqarah 2:177
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and each and every act of obedience to Allah, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masakin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and gives the Zakat, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.) in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqun (pious)
This is definition of righteousness by Quran
I feel a lot of people who are making negative comments are afflicted with some kind of religion.
Atheism is a very honest position. Faith is bs.
You included. Secular materialism is a fringe religious movement that is supposed to be an alternative to traditional religion but fails to answer a simple yet self-destructive moral dilemma, the 'IS-OUGHT' problem.
Victim Card Everywhere. 😅
@@ankitBhartiya2 Lol when that guy was whining about getting screwed by Akbar, that's not victim card?? If beta males were not able to protect, they should just accept then they were weak then by your argument. You want to have the cake and eat it too...How RIDICULOUS!!!
Well, I am an atheist, and i believe that we don't need to have debates around faith. Forget religion its a Western concept. Reason being people have full right to pursue and believe whatever faith they want, there isno point in demeaning some ideas because they do not match yours. This is called antitheism not atheism. It's like those orthodox preachers who flock the roads saying that join my religion. A lil more extremism and you become communist. In fact, if we further take it to extreme level, there could be antitheist terrorists.
At start Jawed Saab said there is no difference in religions, but at around 30 minutes. He says Hindus had elbow space that is being taken away and he tells Hindus to be not like others. This is a point to be delved into.
Thts because the other guy defended hinduism. He started by saying he denounced islam too. So i think ur biased
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
@@Human-xz2gr cute IT cell very cute
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
When Lindus can't Defend their Hinduism !
Then divert debate towards abrahamic religions 😂
Oldest Kulture strategy 😂
I am really happy that still india has rationally and logically thinking men like javed sahab in these waves
Is it debate or reel? Why anchor cutting both in every 2minute without clear explanation? No use of such kind of thing if not proper debate
U think you're better 😅
Rationality offers a serenity most humans never experience
You can be a Rationalist and still believe there is a Creator and Pray to it for whatever reason. They are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In fact, stating out right there can't be a creator, (it can be a he or she or even a it) is actually Irrational. Don't you think ?
@@NaaaaaRK it is rational to believe there may be a creator and proof would be welcome
@@NaaaaaRKstating there can't be a creator is an irrational statement
@@DharmendraRaiMindMap "stating there can't be a creator is an irrational statement". Yes that's what I am saying, These dumbos who call themselves as "Atheists" are not actually Atheists, they are anti-theist. If someone wants to be to Scientifically correct/ rational, they should instead say, they don't even know if they is a God or Not, they can never know. There is word for it, it's called being Agnostic. And when it comes to topic like, Existence of God/creator of this Universe, these so called Atheist are as dumb as people who say God exists. That's what the other speaker what was trying to say, unlike other religion, Hinduism is not actually a religion, it's a collection of philosophies to lead your life. You may either believe in God, you may not, both are welcomed in Hinduism. There isn't one book you have to follow, there are many, just discard the bad things and all you are left with is philosophies which will help you better your life. That's what Hinduism is all about. There are philosophies, just select what you like, discard everything else. There is no blasphemy, because Hinduism is not even a religion in the first place. Would love to know, where you beg to differ ?
Look at the pseudo rational Akhtar foaming in his mouth
Magnificent debate. This is what India is all about. Coming together of perspective 's. Wonderful.
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
@@Insaniyat980 Religion is a very personal matter dear. They are just debating their personal views. In the end to each their own. What is important is that we allow each other the space to grow through our own experiences. This is the essence of mostly every other religion.What do you think ?
Which India you are talking about, it is Hindus did it good. Hindus are more than is why it is good, any example of greatness where muslims are more in number, how many pieces India became in 100 yrs, that India did not have any Bhaichara, speciality. And see next 25 yrs only. It is Islam that is destroing peace and prosperity of world.
People will always love Javed ji, because he addresses the human curiosity, the human mind. He doesn’t rely on a God to answer the queries. ♥️♥️
For Hindus central scriptures are Upanishads and Gita but not Manu Smriti.
Manu means law giver.
They change from time to time.
Stuti means facts, smriti is all about interpretation
For Hindus, there are no "Central" scriptures. Every Hindu can choose what to believe and there is a huge diversity.
@@brahm-ahamasmi we r people of vedic civilization. Essence of Vedas is captured in Upanishads and encapsulated in Bhagwat Gita. Bharat was a vast country from Afghanistan to Indonesia. Many people have written many things. Only those portions are to be accepted which are in agreement with Upanishads and Gita and rest not to be considered.
@@jhunuj6243rightly said
@@jhunuj6243So basically whatever is written in few books becomes the final word for us ? So we have our final book(s) just like abrahmic religions ? I am not against your point of view and wont say you are wrong , maybe you are right and maybe someone else is, just want to explore what you have written a bit more.
We need 100 more javed akhtars
great javed sahib ..i 100% agree .respect and applaud your sincerety , honesty frankness .
What a man @Javed ji...hats off to you....ur intellectual...wow....used simple words try to understand the main topic...just nailed by Javed ji
I've never read Manusmriti but there are certainly objectional quotes in it that have been pointed out by many scholars. But that's the catch. I've never read Manusmriti despite being born in a Hindu family. I've never been asked to, infact nobody from my family has ever read it. Neither do we have Ramayan or Mahabharat at my home and never have I been asked to read them (However I'm interested). But this is not the case with other religions. You have to read the text, you can not condemn those books or the saying of those books. The people following those books believe all verses to be the true word of God and refuse to accept that it could have been polluted over a thousand years.
But that's not the case with Quran,today most of muslim ummah are following islam the same way as it was 1400 years ago, wordings of adhaan and namaz are same as it was 1400 years ago,Quran is not only the book of prayers,Quran encompass spiritual as well as material level of human life,eg Allah says read salaah and give zakah,means Allah orders us to do namaz and give charity,then Allah forbids interest on debt (ch 2 v 278-279 of Quran)and today we are witnessing the violation of this verse,almost all are under debts,and rich is getting richer and poor is getting poorer
Please do some research there are different versions of quran. Though one version is the most popular in the world.
(1) If you have not read Manusmriti, how do you know what is in it and what is not in it. (2) Is manusmritti Governing our Laws. But Muslim Personal law (Sharia) is implimented.
Basically you admitted that you are ignorant of the Manusmritti but you have heard a about it many times, so it is authentic. Wow you are such a scholar.
Yes, manusmriti is oppressive.
But as is the way with sanatan, every thought, theories, ideologies were permissible. Let people decide what they identify with.
For example; Rishi Charvak was a capitalist and Rishi Ashtavakra was an atheist.
Yet their scriptures, theories are part of Ved.
Sanatan Dharm is very inclusive in nature. 😊
There is only one version of Qur'an@@RohitKumar-vd3wc
I am happy to see such a kind of debate in India.
Why does the moderater address Javed with prefix Saab while she calls Prof Makrand only as Makrand
Javed is Sabah . . . originated from Family of Prophet.
❤valid observation
@@tinguzzprophet is mythology, never excited beyond stories, no parallel reference or proofs are found anywhere.
The Hindu or the Sanatanis are the only courteous people, they don’t care what they are addressed as, just listen to the cheering of Javed when he says he doesn’t believe in any religion. The audience may be the picked seculars.
Anchor addressing Javed as Sahab and Profeesor with no similar respectful word is because of legacy of slave mentality of Hndus ruled over and enslaved for 800 yrs by foreign Moghul and British invaders.😂
Such an important conversation. Love each one of them. Had wonderful time watching this ❤️
Loving kindness, compassion, appreciative joy and forgiveness these four human qualities are real Dharma and religion.
Agreed
Well done Mr. Paranzape
🙏
Its unfortunate that Makrand was discussing with jawed who was not ready to hear... and it was cut in between...unfortunate
Makrand is an intellectual and knowledgeable person. Javed is a buffoon he has very shallow knowledge.
i think makrand told to much than javad. Idk how u judges the converstions 😊. Javad sir rocks when it comes to logic and rationality
Javed is burnt because he can't embarrass Hindus like before
He used to embarrass them in sholay
And enjoy
But he didn't know there was no social media then
Now Hindus will expose his cunningness
@@Ritesh-rj1sp javad sir is the voice for voiceless ppl. Rss and isis can't stop him from speaking truth. Ya modi will wil be exposed daily. Be pity sure on it
To be real Hindu is to first take a deep dive into yourself and leave behind all the materialistic world, which people have forgotten and have become prey to the filthy politics
Shoma Chaudhry is just AMAZING. What a dignified moderator. And how well she managed to do her job. A masterclass in moderation indeed. And Javed Akhtar, I tip my hat to him. I too was amongst the 75% he cited who did not catch a word of Mr Makarand's 'intellectual mumbo jumbo'. Loved this exchange.
Excellent Prof. Marakand Paranjape!
Haag dia usne! Kuch sense tha hi Nahi!😂
Yeah excellent in vocabulary and diverting from the debate.
Moderator already gave her judgement by calling javed as rational😂😂😂
Javed u r best!!
Shoma - great job of moderating the complex subject with two higly complex and knowledgeable speakers. Kudos!
desperately need a part 2 of this , or at least upload the full version of the entire debate .
Now this moment I miss Osho 😢😢😢
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Agree
Jab kabhi bhi javed sir ko sunnte hai( lisen) hai .
Aur bhi naye tarike se rational,logical human bann jate hai
So thanks sir❤
Javed used the word philosophy several times but it seems that he doesn't have any idea about philosophy. Even hardcore atheist philosophers would spit on his face for every single word that he uttered.
Stupid javed
@@farazahmad7229he got Dawkins award
Fitting reply by Javed saheb to the Manuwadi Paranape. Javed Sir, you are great.
It is the responsility of people like Javed Akhtar to preach tolarence and inclusiveness to the followers of his religion and also followers of his atheism.
Abay ghanchakkar! He left his birth religion ling time ago, abhi tak nai samjha??!
How can you derive "tolerance" from an arbitrary starting point if there's only "what is"?
didnt javed indicate he's an atheist? im pretty sure he's atheist
His religion and his atheism? Bro, you confused or what?
His religion and atheists is itself an oxymoron which morons dont get it. Atheists dont care about any religion nor incite violence in the name of god or religion so its the responsibility of religious people to maintain peace since they are the ones who take offence to their gods and religion and incite violence.
It was a marvelous public discussion between a highly trained intellectual & a natural one with intrinsic intellect & many gifts. "Thank you", to the chanel, the hosts, the debaters & to the brilliant, extraordinary anchor! 🙏😊
My question: why is the program truncated midway 🤷? Why hasn't it been allowed to conclude in a civilized way?
What was so marvelous. J behaved as illiterate
Javed lacks Knowledge of History and So about Spirituality within Dharma, also... He is somewhat toxicological. Moderator is partial towards Makrand and diplomatically manipulative, Moderator are not to give his/her view by interrupting in between. Makrand is a professor whereas Javed is not a researcher and if a person is Communist/Leftist/Atheist can never pick books to read & learn about Dharma within indic religion and for the sake Chinese Philosopher/Dhamra as well. Javed is also using his age to manipulate the debate and reactive with rage/anger.
i was there and it's supposed to be a 50 min session it was a part of IFP and upcoming sessions and guests were lined up, maybe eth host could have been more strict with javed but ofcourse when such a big perosnity involved you kind of want to give em a few mins leeway for power diffference, i remember javed juvenielly threatening that he come to this annual festival again next year if he isnt given last word despite him being given ample time, this was not the sole even and this is when a thinker develops rationalist enough ego to touch on narcisism, i am saying all this despite bieng a fan of javed and an agnostic myself
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
Javed should write a scene on his own religion like he did in Sholay
He will not dare because money matters
You guys missed the whole point. Even after it was so evident.
He told islam is intolerant...
Hindus mustn't be like Muslim.
You didn't understand. He said it clearly that he doesn't do so cuz he as everybody knows Islam would not accept it and all the while also accepted that Hindus are to be respected in that aspect because they are open to it.
Actually even Makarand said it in his own words, if you try to reduce Hinduism to Just another dogmatic religion when it is a loss. And you my brother are trying to do the same.
U r suffering from disease called faith and fascism.
Javed Sahab; A living legend of 21st century in the field of literature.
Kudos to Javed Sahab 👏👏👏👏👏
😂😂
Beautifully debated by Dr Makarand paranjpe sir. I respect Javed sahab but he is really unaware of many historical facts about mughal. He himself said don't become others. What remains to debate after that.
Chup andhu ... Tu bhi us Makarad sir jaisa fake intellect hai kya?
Javed ji is the Rockstar.
How come ?
He is a Fidayin and devout Muslim who tries to hide behind being an atheist ,,
He never takes any criticism of Muslims and always rubbish Hinduism
😂he is school kid in front of prof makarand 😊❤
History is repeating again after 10 years. Loved it.
Logic and faith can coexist. Consider the great Ramunajam for example. Unfortunately, that has not been perpetuated as we have a singular view of which should be more powerful. We should all remember: Logic appeals to the cognitive mind, faith appeals to the emotional mind.
Meanwhile Adi Shankarachaya centuries ago debating on logical grounds, from God to materialistic world.
Just because Akhtar's religion is completely based on rules and authorities with no scope of questioning doesn't mean all religion are the same
Vedanta is not even known to majority of Hindus lol. Idol worship and demigod worship has been ridiculed in the Vedas and Gita... Just read them. They have been described as those for a lower level mind. The point is, all religions are same in practice, regardless of what the shastra preaches...
Paranjape good sir
Spoke with clarity but slight correction on hindutva as it means knowing essence of sanatana dharma in depth which Hindu was disconnected from long as text book not taught and nor parents🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Shoma Chaudhury excellent!!!
Thanks!!!
❤makarand Paranjape you have just established our feelings so well. Shoma could not discipline him 😂
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
As he said there was not any words like dalit but the question is why were the aystem of upper & lower caste this is how religion evolved & extremism born for ex islam came from saudi arabia but if you see the saudi islam then you can find out shia & sunni islam but when that islam evolved in india then ahmadia islam happened even there are majority of muslims who óppose ahmadia as a muslim but the point is this is how religion evolved just like a cancer if it happened in your body then it can be grown up
Are you sure? In India, secularism has come to mean advancing Islam. You can see it in Javed Akhtar’s examples of Akbar and other Mughals as secular. India didn’t go that way because of it’s strongly rooted religious traditions. Akhtar and the leftists want to deracinate Indians with ‘modern rationality’ to wipe the slate clean, so India too can go that way. In your own examples, the collapsed states are those where Islam managed to overcome the indigenous religions. Sanatana Dharma doesn’t ask for faith, it asks for logic… Akhtar’s is a straw man argument.
Javed Akhtar is stupid person
There are cuts in this video, plzz upload the uncut video. btw great talk.
When Lindus can't Defend their Hinduism !
Then divert debate towards abrahamic religions 😂
Oldest Kulture strategy 😂🤡🚩
Very good now get out of my country@@MR.FlyingMonkey
@@MR.FlyingMonkey stop with these inciting comments. Don't promote hate speech.
@@wutangmuslin why they play Whatabouttry ?
@@MR.FlyingMonkey dude I'm an atheist, and I criticize Hinduism. But looking at your profile, I seriously doubt that you're one... the odds point to you being a Muslim. And the irony of you people using vile words like "pajeet", when that word very well could be used for you.
Great job by Shoma. Hats off to her moderation. It was a huge responsibility to maintain balance and control of the discussion.
Basically Javed is saying that hindus should tolerate the abuses and also wants hindus to ask muslims to become like them all expectations from hindus but he has no.guts to ask muslims that why they can't tolerate Taslima and Salman rushdie😊
Javed is ashamed of his religion. But he has a big ego to accept that Dharma is much superior concept than majhab.
A section of hindus are intolerant at this point of time
He did not say that. Once.
basically you're stupid.
@Human-xz2gr That's the hypocracy and in urdu it's munafiqat which is taught them in their mazaa hub
I am an atheist too share same feelings and sentiments as Javed sir shared 🫡
A very balanced moderation by Shoma ji. Makrand was completely off track he should have answered the allegation of region being irrational or belief in God being superstitious, which he didn't!
But as a person of reasoning and rationality, I call out all the atheist including Javed Sahab to tell me how this universe which has a beginning in time and came into existence from non existence without a cause!? There are only two possible answers:
1. This universe itself is its creator which essentially means it is intelligent, self sufficient and eternal.
This cannot be! as science itself says that universe is neither eternal, not intelligent and neither self sufficient.
2. The second explanation would be that it is created, sustained and designed by an external, intelligent and self sufficient creator.
There is no third explanation for this universe. So even when you "BELIEVE" that there is no creator for this universe, you are basing it purely on your belief and faith while rationality demands belief in God.
Javed akhtar interview checklist points and ready reckoner...
1) faith and belief - example of north pole..conclude faith to stupidity
2) god doesnt stop all evils of society although He has all power
3) 2 peg par religion rukta nahi..sar char jaata hai
4) religion is opium of public..God is a santa claus of adults
5) Akbar se bada great and forward thinker is desh me paida hi nahi hua.
6) India's rich GDP during time of Akbar, Jahangir and Shahjahan. Quote Thomas Row during the time of Jahangir
7) as long as i am abused by both sides, i am happy.. problem will be if i get abused from only one side
8) praising India's democracy and concluding which you will not find till you reach the Mediterranean coast
9) dad whispers communist manifesto in his ears when javed akhtar was born.. foundations of rationality and atheism
10) example of Galileo..earth is round..etc
11) aap athiest ho kar bhi communal ho sakte ho...quotes Jinah, Savarkar..
12) there is nothing like blind faith..faith ka matalab hi hai blind
13) on being asked why are you Atheist? Because I think...
14) satiring that Eid par mujhe 200 mubarak baad aa jaate hain ..yet he likes to celebrate it and all festivals..hamein hamare tyohar and culture wapas de do...
I am ST, I am also Proud Hindu. Most of the people talking about Dalit issue doesn't do so with the intention of solving the problem but they want to use it push their own propaganda.
Dharm has never ever propagated discrimination, Varn was based on Karm. It is mentioned in Manusmriti & also in Rig veda.
One of the hymns of Rig veda says "I am singer, my father is physician, my mother is grinder of corn(chakki wala kaam)"
Member of same family can belongs to different varn.
Yes, overtime everything corrupts even Democracy whom we are so proud of is showing the sign of Rotting, it will become more apparent in next 30-40 years.
kya Tumhara sath bhedbhav hota hai ❓
fake Dalits 😂id
Check SCST Crime Everyday
Aise hi karwate raho apna bhai👍
Okay pandit ji😅
@@vlogtanveer201 Okay Maulvi ji
Javaid saab is great thinker.... Love u sir
If Mr Javed is so honest in his views then ask him to debate any mullah or Maulana’s and debate with him on Islam, and say on face that Islam is a fake religion
JA is dishonest person that he will never debate any Maulana on a public platform, he is such a big hypocrite who cud dare only debating Hindu’s guru and intellectuals.
@MSKhanserventofAllah He is much more better than so called religious people
ghantaa, he defends islamic brutality in india
Javed Akhtar is legend!!!!!
We can clearly see that Shoma and Javed Akthar supported each other with their agenda and Prof. Markandji stood strongly with befitting reply!
prof. markandji is criticizing islam. meanwhile topic of debate is something else. its religion vs atheism.
Prof. continue shifting goal post in live match.😊
That’s a professor in India. Then no one can save Indian students from getting brainwash.
Prof seems to be a duffer...what kind of logic is he giving
"If any philosophy, political, social, whatever, if it expects faith from you. It is a suspect." - Javed saab.
And there's only "what is" on his and your worldview, which destroys any possibility of meaning, purpose, ethics, or knowledge.
@@jostnamane3951 yes, like how you know about "what is" a rainbow and how it is formed but you still enjoy the sight of it. And just like how you know all about "what is" digestive system from your high school, yet you enjoy desi sweets and savouries. You know "what is" your favourite film and that it is all made up by a bunch of people, but you still enjoy every bit of it.
@@albiorixsaturn3532 what are you even talking about?
I'm talking about the "IS-OUGHT" problem. You cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way. Therefore there's only "what is" on a purely nihilistic worldview. what "OUGHT" to be can never be justified because it presupposes the idea that everything we do MATTERS. But it doesn't matter on a purely nihilistic worldview as we are merely a cosmic accident devoid of free will.
@@albiorixsaturn3532 I'm talking about the "IS-OUGHT" problem
@@jostnamane3951 Science and rationality have addressed a great deal of our problems and conundrums. If there are some unaddressed, it doesn't mean we can fall back to dogma, faith, and tradition. If science can't address our conundrums and help moral evaluations, more science is the answer, not less(dogma, faith, superstition, etc).
35:04 He accepted the Distinction that Hinduism is much more plural and progressive than monotheistic religions like Islam/Christianity.
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
As he said there was not any words like dalit but the question is why were the aystem of upper & lower caste this is how religion evolved & extremism born for ex islam came from saudi arabia but if you see the saudi islam then you can find out shia & sunni islam but when that islam evolved in india then ahmadia islam happened even there are majority of muslims who óppose ahmadia as a muslim but the point is this is how religion evolved just like a cancer if it happened in your body then it can be grown up
Yes he accepted because he want to embarrass Hindus again and again like he did in sholay
But that is a normative statement.
You cannot derive "progressivism" from the fact that the world IS a certain way.
Therefore a religion being progressive or regressive is completely arbitrary. Social norms or prevailing culture isn't what we are supposed to use to define whether something should be considered progressive or regressive.
He already lost the plot if he used normative statements to try to prove which religion is better.
Wo toh sach hai hi as a atheist bhi mai accept krta hun
That's because Hinduism is pluralistic, but the debate is religion vs atheism not x vs y religion.
Mr Javed is so well spoken. Truly amazing 🤌
"God is the santa claus of adults" ❤🙌😂
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
Morality is the kryptonite of atheists who make more than enough "OUGHT" statements but inherently know that none of that actually matters on their worldview because you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way under a purely nihilistic worldview.
Morality is an atheist's kryptonite
@Astrophile2345 you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way because all of that presupposes the idea that everything we do MATTERS but it doesn't matter on a purely nihilistic worldview as we are merely a cosmic accident devoid of free will.
Of course, you have a personal relationship with the word "logic" but when the tables are turned, you reckon.
@Astrophile2345 but what does that have anything to do with Morality being an atheist's kryptonite?
"There is no logic in your statement"
You were referring to my previous statement where I said, "Morality is an atheist's kryptonite."
It indeed is. You cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way. It's from the perspective of a purely nihilistic worldview. I'm not a nihilist and I believe in free will. YOU are a nihilist therefore morality is your kryptonite and you cannot make any normative statements against religion.
Many inconsistencies and fallacies in Javed’s statements.. spent the first 5 mins excruciatingly explaining the difference between Faith and Belief and then jn the next segment forgot it all and started admonishing all belief systems.. spent a long time trying to explain that he wasn’t a communist but had the same prism that Lenin used to comment on different religions.. couldn’t understand the basic difference between Dharma and Religion, but at last lost his cool and started ranting about how good the muslim invaders were.. it was apparently a left leaning crowd and at many instances was seen pandering to the audience than indulge in a civil discussion and at the end despite being in the wrong, was rude not only to the fellow panelist but also the moderator.. typical hypocrite at play..! Thanks Javed for showing your true colours, yet again!!!
Anyone who doesn't agree with the panelist you like is a fool, that's what I can see. Just because I and some bad person agrees that sexual violence is wrong, doesn't mean I'm same as the bad person. Similarly, if someone believes all religions are bad, and Lenin happens to believe the same, it doesn't make him Lenin. 😂😂
@@shanblues7257I don't think you understood what the original commenter said, you are too fixated on the parallels drawn. While the essence was, javed seemed two faced, his points were not consistent, and lost his cool because if the loss in debate. Thats why its hard to take javed's words seriously.
And yes if your veiws are similar to lenin you would be considered a neo leninist, just as some people are considored neo nazi. Javed doesn't get hide hide behind the ambiguity of whether he is a communist or not, if his way of thinking is communist.
@@kanavdawra I don't agree with you, but at least Javed made a lot of sense, while Makarand at times wasn't even coherent.
may be your religious sentiment got hurt lol
Nonsense spoken by right wing chaddis like you
As anchors can you keep a bit quiet and let the SPEAKERS talk. Thats why they are invited
Moderators are meant to stop them when they are breaking decorum.
Yes, ofcourse, we need religion but what we need more than this a country not run on the basis of religion but pure intelligence!!
Look at Singapore they managed religion, infrastructure, people, trades, education everything when even whole world gave up on that place!!!
That's what leadership is!!!
We don't need any religion enough is enough
@@ArjunAJ-nw7rl no no, a country like ours will crumble without religion, don't blame religion when this country can't have good leader to balance everything.
@@ImperialCosmos nope we absolutely do not need religion. we need education which inculcates civic sense and critical thinking.
@@ImperialCosmosexistence of China proves this statement wrong.
Javedjee your tone itself & label yourself as rational, shows you believe yourself to be superior
I totally agree with Javed sir what he said in first 5 minutes.