Need Of Religion In Today's Time | Javed Akhtar | Makarand Paranjape | Shoma Chaudhury |
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- In 21st century, what is the role and need of religion? When two minds as brilliant as Javed Akhtar and Makarand Paranjape sit down to discuss this, it surely becomes one of the most interesting conversations.
Javed & Makrand dive deep into their own thoughts and beliefs of religion and faith. With this, they also dive into the realms of dharma and spirituality. While one is against religion, the other is a staunch believer of it, while one stands by logic and reasoning, the other believes in the existence of dharma and quantum physics. While there are two such different people on the panel, the conversation goes in all the directions it can.
This session was recorded at IFP 12.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
3:57 - Javed Sahab Is Against Religion
4:43 - What Is Faith?
6:05 - Faith & Stupidity is Same?
6:18 - Problem of Religions
7:05 - What is The Distinction Between Dharma & Religion?
8:01 - Religions are Not The Same
10:28 - Complicated Word - Spirituality
10:53 - Is There Any Hierarchy in Religions?
13:00 - India Has Pluralism
14:25 - What Is Dharma?
16:36 - Belief in Religions
17:03 - What is Conscious Mind?
18:11 - What Is Spiritualism?
20:43 - Believing in The Religion & Spiritualism
25:21 - Who needs Religion?
26:42 - Religion & Politics
27:42 - Hindutva And It's Loss
28:55 - Can Religion Be Good & Bad?
30:38 - Against Purdah, Hijaab, & Triple Talaq
31:37 - Meaning of The Word 'Religion'
33:00 - Sholay & Religion
33:55 - What is The Strength Of Our Country?
35:10 - God is Santa For Adults
36:03 - Sanatani Accords
38:39 - Role of Religion
41:13 - Debate Over Manusmriti, & Mughals
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I feel a lot of people who are making negative comments are afflicted with some kind of religion.
Atheism is a very honest position. Faith is bs.
You included. Secular materialism is a fringe religious movement that is supposed to be an alternative to traditional religion but fails to answer a simple yet self-destructive moral dilemma, the 'IS-OUGHT' problem.
Victim Card Everywhere. 😅
@@ankitBhartiya2 Lol when that guy was whining about getting screwed by Akbar, that's not victim card?? If beta males were not able to protect, they should just accept then they were weak then by your argument. You want to have the cake and eat it too...How RIDICULOUS!!!
@@jostnamane3951 there is no is ought problem. Oughts are just made up rules in order to minimise chaos, harm and misery for a society.
Javed Akhtar rocks. All fluffy, all big words cannot hide the truth and reality of adharma.
Ja na bhai
Twko bhi samaza nahi hoga sach batao 😂@@ayushisharma162
Beliefs and faith
By questioning..
Caves and trees....
Javed sahab in opening statement itself heavier than professor sahab whole statements
JAVED AKHTAR is a real Liberal and secular Man.
I think he is in the middle ground between liberal and conservative ideologies , atleast better than being at the extremes of both sides.
No he isn't....he is merely promoting his own credentials egotistically.....there is so much he hides....he talks of the impermissibility of Sholay today and cleverly shoves films like PK under the carpet.....totally agenda driven
@shiva4ever Only after PK , he realised the Sholay scene could not be done today .
he is a katmulla... what he is doing is known as Al-taqqaiyya
and you 😂😂😂
Javed has made an accurate point in saying that we can't be selective. Rightly so!
javed is an old bozo
@@MrVish6666and so is your mother and father ? But you don't see us complaining about it 🤷🏻♂️
@@neverEndingvoid525 you can't complain about his parents because they are not setting narrative in public meetings like javed. At least think before writing this kind of statement 🤦
@JASIRORBOY who set the vague precedent that someone having or not having a platform decides whether or not it's okay to call someone "an old bozo"
@@MrVish6666yet his brain is younger and more dynamic than yours
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY CUTS IN THIS ????? WE WANT AN UNCUT VERSION OF THIS PLEASE !
Markand ka gala katwana hai kya bhai
Thanks. I was about to watch it. But due to the CUT thing I'm gonna leave this without watching and disliking as well.
@@Narendersingh-id5ng 😂
Because RSS and DHONG r synonyms
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Prof. Marakand is missing the theme of the debate here and is giving it a Hindu vs Muslim angle stating Hinduism is better while Javed Akhtar is condemning both the religions.
That was his entire agenda. He is a snake.
Absolutely correct.
Am Hindu agnostic and your right ,
This type of prof. having brain in tha ass
theres nothing called hinduism, hes just trying to say indian traditions are different from what religion is.
Mr Javed Akhtar is not only a great poet but a great scholar too.His views are subtle and as authentic he is loved for his liberal views all over the world. Salute to u jenab Javed Bhai u r an integrated personality we all respect n love u.Mr Javid bai makrand is shifting from one point to another and is not certain & clear what he says.
India’s gdp may have been high at the time but the per capita income was the poorest most of the money was sent to ottomans, Mecca and the like Aurangzeb destroyed entire agricultural regions by stampede with horses resulting in millions of death due to famine
Makrand's toung runs into wheels.
I am a christian but sorry Indic religions and Middle Eastern religions are not the same. Fundamental outlook towards the world is different thereby the outcome. Abrahamic religions at the basic are rule driven, which is why you can quantify the tangibles in these societies. Indic religions on the other hand are fundamentally not rule based. Which is why there are so many sects within Indic religions. So I agree with Makrans for not falling for Javed’s trap
India does not even has the concept of religion.
Baloney & crap . Shankaracharya, the high priest of Sanatana, said there are shanmatas, ie, 6 religions & called them Soura, Shaktya, Shaiva, Kourmarya,Ganapatya & Vaishnava . Besides , he also wrote in Soundarya Lahari about Dravida. If Dravida was a mere geographical denomination, he , as somebody born in today's Kerala, would have called himself also as a Dravida
I don't know why Christians pretend as if Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) was not from the middle East?
absolutely right. In Islam rules are defined by God.. We cannot ignore divine rules depending upon the time era
@@muhammadalikhan7605 We don't consider your rules divine, we consider them evil.
Akbar did not translate Ramayana and Mahabharata into European languages, it was Dara Shikho, Shah Jahan's son who was slaughtered by Aurangzeb.
Abdul Qadir Badauni translated the Ramayaṇa and the Mahabharata and many Sanskrit tales and the Hindu epics in Persian in accordance with the wishes of Akbar
@@SWAMISWAMI-ie5gf true
Dara shikoh converted bhagwat gita and upnishads in Persian not ramayana
Oye illiterate.. It was Akbar who commissioned for its translation.. And only after that came with the idea of din e elahi😂😂😂.. Sanghi better get your facts in place
@@MarsalllllI am a student of history. Can you please provide some scholarly references to your claims?
Wow, I feel Javedji is just superb, when makarandji was speaking, I was having the same impression that this man is somehow trying in vain to cover up and then when Javedji comes, he is so bang on and accurate. Just loved it 👍
Javed does gave cognitive inconsistencies and manipulatuing facts which makrand doesn't
No religion, only humanism ❤
Define "humanism" and "religion" on your worldview
Humanism ko bhi define Kar de bhai
No isms
You are mad
@@dhrbolai any worldview with its presuppositions is an "ism"
Is it debate or reel? Why anchor cutting both in every 2minute without clear explanation? No use of such kind of thing if not proper debate
U think you're better 😅
34:02 When javed saab said "hindus should not behave like muslims" , he himself is saying majahab is different than dharma. So javed saheb doesnt know what he is talking
Deep down inside Javed akhtar is a follower of Professor Makarand. The mediator was like what's wrong with him. Instead if contradicting why is he agreeing with the Prof. Let me change the topic to Hindutva and Hinduism.
Hindus historically have been very different from Muslims. But this doesn't mean Hinduism as a religion is any better than Islam as a religion. It is also filled with useless rituals and made up laws and discrimination, just like other religions.
But yes, Hindus have historically not acted so dogmatic and violent as Muslims.
This doesn't mean their religion makes more sense.
The good thing about Hindus is they have allowed people to even disagree with their central scriptures, but even in this they are admitting that their scriptures also have some questionable things.
@@whatsgood7840as an atheist true can't even argue with muslim folks
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
@@JoJo-hj4tx you have absolutely no understanding of how power structures work and why certain countries are sanctioned for having a different perspective or outlook on life.
Quotes.: I was reminded of a quotation by the famous American physicist, Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prize winning theoretical physicist. Weinberg said "Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. For good people to do bad things it takes religion
Quoting a famous personality doesn't prove anything.
What is "good"? and what is "bad"?
There's only "what is" on a purely nihilistic worldview because you cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way.
Look up David Hume's 'IS-OUGHT' problem
@Paran953 Openheimer also quoted from Bhagvad Geeta and Erwin Shrodinger from Upanishads. Openheimer talked referred to Christianity and Judaism as those were the religions he was familiar with. How does that give you the license to quote him when you do not know that in what context he said it. You may want to impress the public by giving his name, but tell me what was his contribution to Physics?
@@rabinderkoul1577 r there any agencies to give me license what to quote ?
@@param953 what is "good" and what is "bad"?
@@jostnamane3951 The Noble Quran Surah Al-Baqarah 2:177
It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and each and every act of obedience to Allah, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masakin (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and gives the Zakat, and who fulfill their covenant when they make it, and who are As-Sabirin (the patient ones, etc.) in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of fighting (during the battles). Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqun (pious)
This is definition of righteousness by Quran
Logic and faith can coexist. Consider the great Ramunajam for example. Unfortunately, that has not been perpetuated as we have a singular view of which should be more powerful. We should all remember: Logic appeals to the cognitive mind, faith appeals to the emotional mind.
Its unfortunate that Makrand was discussing with jawed who was not ready to hear... and it was cut in between...unfortunate
Makrand is an intellectual and knowledgeable person. Javed is a buffoon he has very shallow knowledge.
i think makrand told to much than javad. Idk how u judges the converstions 😊. Javad sir rocks when it comes to logic and rationality
Javed is burnt because he can't embarrass Hindus like before
He used to embarrass them in sholay
And enjoy
But he didn't know there was no social media then
Now Hindus will expose his cunningness
@@Ritesh-rj1sp javad sir is the voice for voiceless ppl. Rss and isis can't stop him from speaking truth. Ya modi will wil be exposed daily. Be pity sure on it
To be real Hindu is to first take a deep dive into yourself and leave behind all the materialistic world, which people have forgotten and have become prey to the filthy politics
For Hindus central scriptures are Upanishads and Gita but not Manu Smriti.
Manu means law giver.
They change from time to time.
Stuti means facts, smriti is all about interpretation
For Hindus, there are no "Central" scriptures. Every Hindu can choose what to believe and there is a huge diversity.
@@brahm-ahamasmi we r people of vedic civilization. Essence of Vedas is captured in Upanishads and encapsulated in Bhagwat Gita. Bharat was a vast country from Afghanistan to Indonesia. Many people have written many things. Only those portions are to be accepted which are in agreement with Upanishads and Gita and rest not to be considered.
@@jhunuj6243rightly said
@@jhunuj6243So basically whatever is written in few books becomes the final word for us ? So we have our final book(s) just like abrahmic religions ? I am not against your point of view and wont say you are wrong , maybe you are right and maybe someone else is, just want to explore what you have written a bit more.
Makarand really speaks the hidden truth. Unfortunately not many will listen with an open mind. Even open minds may not fully understand due to no fault of their own.
We don't need religions. We need to follow dharma. Live a just and peaceful life
Muslim religion and brahman(mainly upper caste) destroyed akhand bharat, culture philosophy and all indian orgin religion. One gave peaceful mazhab and afjal com in the world and second give caste system,cruptio and shrest caste in indian ocean claim himself meritdhari, even they don't know the currectt history,economics,basic philosophy,psychology,civilization. Both give ganga jamuni tahjeeb and oppoesd womenright,killed, Torchered, physically and mentally many year on year
If you read ambedkar ji in detail and watch exmuslim channel.
Basically Javed is saying that hindus should tolerate the abuses and also wants hindus to ask muslims to become like them all expectations from hindus but he has no.guts to ask muslims that why they can't tolerate Taslima and Salman rushdie😊
Javed is ashamed of his religion. But he has a big ego to accept that Dharma is much superior concept than majhab.
A section of hindus are intolerant at this point of time
He did not say that. Once.
basically you're stupid.
@Human-xz2gr That's the hypocracy and in urdu it's munafiqat which is taught them in their mazaa hub
The baisness of the host is quite evident. Makarand point was cut cleverly at various intervals. He is making very correct point.
baisness.???...very cooect point??? get an education to start - then opine.
@@rayzimmerman6740 Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
Cut has been inflicted in Makarands speech because he is trying to propogate one religion.
@@anandanmathivanan4712not all religions are same. Islam is an expansionary religion with force and hiduism is not. So clearly one is better than the other. When speaking on these facts, people want to get offended and not allow one to speak. What good is this debate then? You will only allow to speak those who agree with your view? Is that the intolerance you are imbibing from Islam?
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
Makrand is talking realistically, he doesn't answer questions straight away, while he certainly can
We don't need religion but we do need Dharma.
❤makarand Paranjape you have just established our feelings so well. Shoma could not discipline him 😂
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
As he said there was not any words like dalit but the question is why were the aystem of upper & lower caste this is how religion evolved & extremism born for ex islam came from saudi arabia but if you see the saudi islam then you can find out shia & sunni islam but when that islam evolved in india then ahmadia islam happened even there are majority of muslims who óppose ahmadia as a muslim but the point is this is how religion evolved just like a cancer if it happened in your body then it can be grown up
Are you sure? In India, secularism has come to mean advancing Islam. You can see it in Javed Akhtar’s examples of Akbar and other Mughals as secular. India didn’t go that way because of it’s strongly rooted religious traditions. Akhtar and the leftists want to deracinate Indians with ‘modern rationality’ to wipe the slate clean, so India too can go that way. In your own examples, the collapsed states are those where Islam managed to overcome the indigenous religions. Sanatana Dharma doesn’t ask for faith, it asks for logic… Akhtar’s is a straw man argument.
Javed should write a scene on his own religion like he did in Sholay
He will not dare because money matters
You guys missed the whole point. Even after it was so evident.
He told islam is intolerant...
Hindus mustn't be like Muslim.
You didn't understand. He said it clearly that he doesn't do so cuz he as everybody knows Islam would not accept it and all the while also accepted that Hindus are to be respected in that aspect because they are open to it.
Actually even Makarand said it in his own words, if you try to reduce Hinduism to Just another dogmatic religion when it is a loss. And you my brother are trying to do the same.
U r suffering from disease called faith and fascism.
He has not replied about dalit issues.
Javed u r best!!
Seriously Javed sir nailed it. Other debater's should prepare well. Speaking difficult words does not make any impression. So, Be simple and connect to the audience, do not speak to himself.
That's limitation of your mind Mr MAN SINGH
is there a faceoff between muslim believer vs javed, and javed is bashing off quran and hadith. First try to Clean your house and community.
At start Jawed Saab said there is no difference in religions, but at around 30 minutes. He says Hindus had elbow space that is being taken away and he tells Hindus to be not like others. This is a point to be delved into.
Thts because the other guy defended hinduism. He started by saying he denounced islam too. So i think ur biased
Javed Akhtar has very shallow knowledge and he talks nonsence. India was already rich before the Islamic invaders came. In fact only because of its wealth the invaders wanted to be here and plunder it.
@@Human-xz2gr cute IT cell very cute
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
When Lindus can't Defend their Hinduism !
Then divert debate towards abrahamic religions 😂
Oldest Kulture strategy 😂
India needs people like Javed Akhtar,he is the true unbiased atheist i have ever seen.
That's the power of a Rational Atheist... The One liners coming from the clarity of mind just destroys debris of Religious irrationality.
Makrand, you shouldn’t be debating with people who do not share the same level of learning and understanding as yourself. Javed himself said at the beginning, albeit deprecatingly, that he did not understand 75% of what you said. But then this is so true even when you take away the sarcasm from his statement. While concluding too, he said that you were speaking to the wrong person. That’s again so true, though not in the sense Javed imagines.
Bcoz spiritual/DHARMA/Religion are semantics theists making or trying to derive something more than thier religion to fool ppls through concepts like Dharma and spirituals
I've never read Manusmriti but there are certainly objectional quotes in it that have been pointed out by many scholars. But that's the catch. I've never read Manusmriti despite being born in a Hindu family. I've never been asked to, infact nobody from my family has ever read it. Neither do we have Ramayan or Mahabharat at my home and never have I been asked to read them (However I'm interested). But this is not the case with other religions. You have to read the text, you can not condemn those books or the saying of those books. The people following those books believe all verses to be the true word of God and refuse to accept that it could have been polluted over a thousand years.
But that's not the case with Quran,today most of muslim ummah are following islam the same way as it was 1400 years ago, wordings of adhaan and namaz are same as it was 1400 years ago,Quran is not only the book of prayers,Quran encompass spiritual as well as material level of human life,eg Allah says read salaah and give zakah,means Allah orders us to do namaz and give charity,then Allah forbids interest on debt (ch 2 v 278-279 of Quran)and today we are witnessing the violation of this verse,almost all are under debts,and rich is getting richer and poor is getting poorer
Please do some research there are different versions of quran. Though one version is the most popular in the world.
(1) If you have not read Manusmriti, how do you know what is in it and what is not in it. (2) Is manusmritti Governing our Laws. But Muslim Personal law (Sharia) is implimented.
Basically you admitted that you are ignorant of the Manusmritti but you have heard a about it many times, so it is authentic. Wow you are such a scholar.
Yes, manusmriti is oppressive.
But as is the way with sanatan, every thought, theories, ideologies were permissible. Let people decide what they identify with.
For example; Rishi Charvak was a capitalist and Rishi Ashtavakra was an atheist.
Yet their scriptures, theories are part of Ved.
Sanatan Dharm is very inclusive in nature. 😊
There is only one version of Qur'an@@RohitKumar-vd3wc
Javed akhtar interview checklist points and ready reckoner...
1) faith and belief - example of north pole..conclude faith to stupidity
2) god doesnt stop all evils of society although He has all power
3) 2 peg par religion rukta nahi..sar char jaata hai
4) religion is opium of public..God is a santa claus of adults
5) Akbar se bada great and forward thinker is desh me paida hi nahi hua.
6) India's rich GDP during time of Akbar, Jahangir and Shahjahan. Quote Thomas Row during the time of Jahangir
7) as long as i am abused by both sides, i am happy.. problem will be if i get abused from only one side
8) praising India's democracy and concluding which you will not find till you reach the Mediterranean coast
9) dad whispers communist manifesto in his ears when javed akhtar was born.. foundations of rationality and atheism
10) example of Galileo..earth is round..etc
11) aap athiest ho kar bhi communal ho sakte ho...quotes Jinah, Savarkar..
12) there is nothing like blind faith..faith ka matalab hi hai blind
13) on being asked why are you Atheist? Because I think...
14) satiring that Eid par mujhe 200 mubarak baad aa jaate hain ..yet he likes to celebrate it and all festivals..hamein hamare tyohar and culture wapas de do...
Prof. Makarand Parnjape is on the Dot!
Moderator already gave her judgement by calling javed as rational😂😂😂
Why is Javed Akhtar addressed as "Javed Sahab"?
At the same time, you address Makarand Paranjape as just "Makarand"
Why this distinction???
Age
Javed g is seniir citizen and a respectible writer ..
Because this was cheating done across show so as loser Javed will be seen as a winner... All leftist cry baby incompetent comperer also loser
Mu$lim privilege
lol Makarand Paranjpe is also a senior citizen and for you nachne vaala Javed must be more respected but for people who have brains they respect prof Paranjape more
Meanwhile Adi Shankarachaya centuries ago debating on logical grounds, from God to materialistic world.
Just because Akhtar's religion is completely based on rules and authorities with no scope of questioning doesn't mean all religion are the same
Vedanta is not even known to majority of Hindus lol. Idol worship and demigod worship has been ridiculed in the Vedas and Gita... Just read them. They have been described as those for a lower level mind. The point is, all religions are same in practice, regardless of what the shastra preaches...
This is a debate between a man and a brainwashed man. Javed is using his mind to form his opinion while Makarand like all religious people uses opinions read from religious books . Which is exactly the difference between a thinker and an educated person .
Bro do u knows conditioning?A Person conditioned by society. Ur statement is wrong
आप कहना चाहते है कि सरल सहज मितभाषी उदार समतावादी संयम संतोष मनोवृत्ति वाले लोग सांसारिक धार्मिक छल कपट हिंसा प्रति हिंसा आधिपत्य मानसिकता से उदासीन रहने वाले लोग कमजोर और मूर्ख होते है...!!
Hi. Can you please upload the uncut version?
Why does the moderater address Javed with prefix Saab while she calls Prof Makrand only as Makrand
Javed is Sabah . . . originated from Family of Prophet.
❤valid observation
@@tinguzzprophet is mythology, never excited beyond stories, no parallel reference or proofs are found anywhere.
The Hindu or the Sanatanis are the only courteous people, they don’t care what they are addressed as, just listen to the cheering of Javed when he says he doesn’t believe in any religion. The audience may be the picked seculars.
Anchor addressing Javed as Sahab and Profeesor with no similar respectful word is because of legacy of slave mentality of Hndus ruled over and enslaved for 800 yrs by foreign Moghul and British invaders.😂
We are humans,it is our duty to protect the lives of the world of human,animals and rare species of all in earth including plants.
Jab kabhi bhi javed sir ko sunnte hai( lisen) hai .
Aur bhi naye tarike se rational,logical human bann jate hai
So thanks sir❤
Javed didn't mention the killing and atrocities to Hindu by Mougal .
Like Upper caste Hindus doing over thousands of year to Dalits.
@@teakadai43no proof of that
@@ujjwalyadav3783 In Mahabharata, Eklavya was more Talented than Arjuns.
But Still he was not Considered as Equal to Arjuna Only because of he was Lower Caste.
This is Was just a Example from Yours Books.
Even Now Dalits cannot Enter Temple.
@@teakadai43 in mahabharat eklavya was the son of commander in chief of the army of magadh- the most powerful army. 😭
@@ujjwalyadav3783 he was belongs to a Lower Caste.
Religion has now became a belief system when viewed through Abhrahmic lens. The Indian understanding is very different. Javed Akhtar is a convenient atheist.
His movies are there to see.
He talks about Akbar only because he is Muslim and not because he studied what Akbar did. That’s why Bollywood writers glorified invaders.
They glorified invaders because
1. They always considered the invaders as their ancestors.
2. They Got lots of money from the invaders class like Dawood and other intellectuals of same class inside and outside the country.
Akbar never declared himself as a Muslim. Rather he was despised by Islam as a heretic. He founded and propagated a new religious faith named Din-i-Ilahi.
@@venkataramanakotamraju94143. Petro-dollar
@@subhajitroy3644 doesn't matter what he called himself. He cause untold misery to Hindus. Johar happened because of him.
30000 civilians were slaughtered in one attack by him and his cruel army.
He was also illiterate that he could not even read or write. What cult he has started is his own problem. Doesn't make a big difference especially when coming from a rakshas like him.
Any worldview is a belief system. That's not an argument.
What is the Indian understanding you tell us?
India is a land where different theological foundations with often contradictory narratives flourished alongside. Among one of those who rejected the Vedic infallibility in their times [The Nastikas] were indeed heretics. But the same heretics today are revered by many Astikas of India. You ask the question, why? Why revere the people who rejected the signs of the unseen? Is there no universal understanding of Indian philosophy? Or there's no Indian understanding to begin with and it's just an umbrella term for a set of distinct theological foundations with often contradictory narratives.
Javed is right on the money. All religions have lofty ideas but they are words that serve as lipstick. What really comes out is castism, untouchability, violence, wars, dogma, dominance, politics, and a sense of superiority. All religions should be questioned in this age and time. ALL, period.
Great Javed Sahab...
Prof. Makarand's points are highly rational. A healthy discussion enriches mind.
Do you believe in casteism? Do you support intercaste marriage?
@@AmarkantVishwakarma Yes. Individual is more important than invisible caste tag.
@@AmarkantVishwakarma No.
@@AmarkantVishwakarmathey won't do intercaste marriage 😂😂
I would like to know how does a carpet have consciousness. Secondly, does Hinduism not believe in one or multiple Gods who are very powerful and very nice beings? So, doesn't that make it alike other religions as to the presence of a God and since Javed considers it irrational, it does make Hinduism irrational too, isn't it?
Third, Manu Smriti has beautiful verses. But so do Quran and Bible. But does it negate the presence of bad verses?
Makarand, you were fabulous!!
how ?
Makrand was highly stupid and lousy. Felt like listening to some aboriginee blabbering after getting high on Marijuana. How did this guy become a professor? Such low quality arguments and no intelligence !
He himself don't know😂@@Dhanan-J
great javed sahib ..i 100% agree .respect and applaud your sincerety , honesty frankness .
Paranjape Sir always shines bright amidst the ocean of mediocrity and Hypocrisy
Rationality offers a serenity most humans never experience
You can be a Rationalist and still believe there is a Creator and Pray to it for whatever reason. They are not necessarily mutually exclusive. In fact, stating out right there can't be a creator, (it can be a he or she or even a it) is actually Irrational. Don't you think ?
@@NaRc0s_G it is rational to believe there may be a creator and proof would be welcome
@@NaRc0s_Gstating there can't be a creator is an irrational statement
@@DharmendraRaiMindMap "stating there can't be a creator is an irrational statement". Yes that's what I am saying, These dumbos who call themselves as "Atheists" are not actually Atheists, they are anti-theist. If someone wants to be to Scientifically correct/ rational, they should instead say, they don't even know if they is a God or Not, they can never know. There is word for it, it's called being Agnostic. And when it comes to topic like, Existence of God/creator of this Universe, these so called Atheist are as dumb as people who say God exists. That's what the other speaker what was trying to say, unlike other religion, Hinduism is not actually a religion, it's a collection of philosophies to lead your life. You may either believe in God, you may not, both are welcomed in Hinduism. There isn't one book you have to follow, there are many, just discard the bad things and all you are left with is philosophies which will help you better your life. That's what Hinduism is all about. There are philosophies, just select what you like, discard everything else. There is no blasphemy, because Hinduism is not even a religion in the first place. Would love to know, where you beg to differ ?
Look at the pseudo rational Akhtar foaming in his mouth
Burnol moment for Javed. Lol quite typical of his ilk. Paranjape was brilliant and kept his cool.
Totally agree 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Bholi bhakti
If you could understand what he meant then you should be called Vishwaguru.😂😂😂😂😂
Pseudo secularist
Fully agrees with Javed.❤
Javed is eye opener to the world.Manipulation in religion is very subtle.For eg I am supposed to say jai ram ji ki as greeting to all Indians even if they not hindus.Then I have the right to say to say jai shaitaan ji ki or jai ravan ki in response.And nobody should feel bad ! 😅
Magnificent debate. This is what India is all about. Coming together of perspective 's. Wonderful.
Wow 🤦♀️
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
@@Insaniyat980 Religion is a very personal matter dear. They are just debating their personal views. In the end to each their own. What is important is that we allow each other the space to grow through our own experiences. This is the essence of mostly every other religion.What do you think ?
It is the responsility of people like Javed Akhtar to preach tolarence and inclusiveness to the followers of his religion and also followers of his atheism.
Abay ghanchakkar! He left his birth religion ling time ago, abhi tak nai samjha??!
How can you derive "tolerance" from an arbitrary starting point if there's only "what is"?
didnt javed indicate he's an atheist? im pretty sure he's atheist
His religion and his atheism? Bro, you confused or what?
His religion and atheists is itself an oxymoron which morons dont get it. Atheists dont care about any religion nor incite violence in the name of god or religion so its the responsibility of religious people to maintain peace since they are the ones who take offence to their gods and religion and incite violence.
It was a very healthy and enlightening discussion. A wise person is one who takes valuable ideas from both the speakers without being biased.
To be wise and find wisdom, one needs to be at least educated. Javed is not and you indicate that you are neither.
@@rabinderkoul1577 I don't understand what made you feel like I'm not educated. I'm an MBBS graduate and a practicing medical officer.
Even if you don't fully agree with someone, they can teach you valuable things.
@@rabinderkoul1577
To say what you said; without knowing a person, is surely lack of education.
@@deepsareen1 One does not have to know a person completely. The Comments on the public forum on specific topic exposes the person about how educated, a person is ona specific issue. If you cannot figure this much, I pity the Schools and teachers who educated you.
Dear Javed sir,
Caste discrimination is rooted not in religion but culture. Caste was an ancient system of occupational class delineated in Hindu texts that over the years developed into a rigid social hierarchy. The lowest castes, or untouchables, were marginalized and faced persecution. Caste-based discrimination is not intrinsic to Hinduism and should not be thought of as religiously sanctioned. the poorer workers involved in 'unclean' occupations such as sweeping or leather work were historically segregated and banished outside the city limits. Over time, personal cleanliness came to be identified with "purity", and the concept of untouchability eventually spread to the rural areas. Manusmriti text was never implemented as a law code in ancient India. The caste system as it exists today is the result of developments during the rise of the British colonial government in India. The British Raj furthered this development, making rigid caste organisation a central mechanism of administration. By 1860 the British formulated the caste system into their system of governance, granting administrative jobs and senior appointments only to Christians and people belonging to certain castes.
35:04 He accepted the Distinction that Hinduism is much more plural and progressive than monotheistic religions like Islam/Christianity.
That right wing professor couldn't understand javed sahab point that all religions are the same because as you can see any country doesn't matter from which religion they have following but whenever they choose religion instead of secularism they have totally been vanished like iraq iran Afghanistan pakistan Even if you go to india before democracy then you can easily find out beautiful sati pratha breast tax child marriages devadasi niyog etc etc even you can compare current india from 20 years old India then 20 years old india was much progressive than the current india just because of religious politics
As he said there was not any words like dalit but the question is why were the aystem of upper & lower caste this is how religion evolved & extremism born for ex islam came from saudi arabia but if you see the saudi islam then you can find out shia & sunni islam but when that islam evolved in india then ahmadia islam happened even there are majority of muslims who óppose ahmadia as a muslim but the point is this is how religion evolved just like a cancer if it happened in your body then it can be grown up
Yes he accepted because he want to embarrass Hindus again and again like he did in sholay
But that is a normative statement.
You cannot derive "progressivism" from the fact that the world IS a certain way.
Therefore a religion being progressive or regressive is completely arbitrary. Social norms or prevailing culture isn't what we are supposed to use to define whether something should be considered progressive or regressive.
He already lost the plot if he used normative statements to try to prove which religion is better.
Javedjee your tone itself & label yourself as rational, shows you believe yourself to be superior
Yes, ofcourse, we need religion but what we need more than this a country not run on the basis of religion but pure intelligence!!
Look at Singapore they managed religion, infrastructure, people, trades, education everything when even whole world gave up on that place!!!
That's what leadership is!!!
We don't need any religion enough is enough
@@ArjunAJ-nw7rl no no, a country like ours will crumble without religion, don't blame religion when this country can't have good leader to balance everything.
@@ImperialCosmos nope we absolutely do not need religion. we need education which inculcates civic sense and critical thinking.
javed sir nailed it.
Fully agree with Javed sir's points.Was surprised to see so many critical comments against him.But the audience reacted differently.
Exactly
Beautifully debated by Dr Makarand paranjpe sir. I respect Javed sahab but he is really unaware of many historical facts about mughal. He himself said don't become others. What remains to debate after that.
God is the santa claus for the adults. This made me trip :D :D :D . Javed Rocks!!
Javeed ji on fire. he nailed it.
Well done Prof Makrand you have exposed both in front of you.it will be excellent if we could watch the uncut portion also..👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏
Love for Javed Sir. Salute to you for your rational😊 thoughts
Javed Akhtar just nailed it
Hats off to Javed Sahab...for a branded Muslim to call out negatives is much more courageous...while Makarand sidelined the practice of A caste based Hindu society ...in all the thousands of years ...between the Vedic times and ....after
Well said
Javed Akhtar is ashamed of his religion and other abrahmic religions because they are based on dogmas and want their followers to blindly believe in their illogical theories and doctrines. So he calls himself an Atheist. But t at the same time he is egoistic and doesn't want to understand the beauty of Sanatan Dharm which implores a human to be a seeker, and promotes to seek truth with its philosophical logical knowledge. In Sanatan dharm karma is main thing which a human should perform. Javed Akhtar is either foolish not to understand the difference between religion (majhab) and Dharm or he is cunning enough to obfuscate peoples mind by bundling both as same.
Are you a Hindu Mitra ji?
As anchors can you keep a bit quiet and let the SPEAKERS talk. Thats why they are invited
Moderators are meant to stop them when they are breaking decorum.
Makarand rocks . People in comments didn't understood him .
Javed nailed it!
Visibly javed was uneasy and unable to hide his hatred while anchor shoma was busy defending javed or toeing his line all along.
Makrand coolly destroyed their plans to corner him.
So you are still religious ! Yay ! Makarand won ! How could he have even lost ?
Kudos to Javed Sahab 👏👏👏👏👏
perfect mediator and perfect debaters! loved it!
Why do we need to identify as certain religion, can't we take what's useful and actually implement....and what's so much to seek pride for even every religion says having pride is not a good thing 🍀
Paranjape, all the way!❤
Javed wanted to empower you. But you are already a slave.
Salute you Javed Sir....
Makrand Sahib
Very very confident
Sanatan Dharma has not been understood and explained properly by anyone in recent times say hundred years
That is why religions have formed
Sanatan Dharama is a philosophy of evolution not a religion
We appreciate effort on the part of trio
can Jawed Taqiya man condame Quran?
He does
Learn to spell unpad
Fix your "Inglis" first.
Taqiyya is done when a believer feels threatened by non-believers. For example, when a believer is forced to renounce his faith at the expense of his life or his family or co-religionist's life, he can do taqiyya.
Javed Akhtar did condemn the Qur'an on many occasions for what he considers as "problematic" even though there's only "what is" on his worldview.
Loving kindness, compassion, appreciative joy and forgiveness these four human qualities are real Dharma and religion.
Agreed
engaging discussion ....what i can gather after listening is our founding fathers knew all this too well and crafted a constitution which can be a real guiding principle ....
200%agreed with Javed Saheb
400% agreed with Markarand
Excellent Prof. Marakand Paranjape!
Makrand sir rocked❤
U understood what he said???
Facts about religion: Do good be away from bad deeds. There is life after death good ones are awarded and bad ones are punished. Recognise creator of this beautiful universe and worship creator alone.
Be loving with all human beings irrespective of colours,caste etc.
All three of them are just awesome.
In india its difficult to have such moderatera like her. She has indepth knowledge of topics she headed, not like current godi media.
Paranjape good sir
Spoke with clarity but slight correction on hindutva as it means knowing essence of sanatana dharma in depth which Hindu was disconnected from long as text book not taught and nor parents🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Javed akhtar resorted to bullying in the end.
Agree , he jeopardizes most debates with out of context arguments
Kitna interesting discussion tha..... I can listen it 24 hours 😊
are you thinking the same as me? ❤❤❤
Javad Sahib 💐💐💪
Lets arrange a debate of Javed with Adam seeker. Lets see how Javed responds there.😂
Well, Javed Akhtar is ātheist too..
Why promote people with fake personalities? Adam seeker, your demigod lost his cool when he refused to say "Allahu Akbar" and instead said "Om hu Akbar" in a live stream and that's how we know where he's coming from.
Javed Akhtar is clearly an atheist, or is your brain isn't braining?
Why promote people with fake personalities?
Who the hell is he.
"If any philosophy, political, social, whatever, if it expects faith from you. It is a suspect." - Javed saab.
And there's only "what is" on his and your worldview, which destroys any possibility of meaning, purpose, ethics, or knowledge.
@@jostnamane3951 yes, like how you know about "what is" a rainbow and how it is formed but you still enjoy the sight of it. And just like how you know all about "what is" digestive system from your high school, yet you enjoy desi sweets and savouries. You know "what is" your favourite film and that it is all made up by a bunch of people, but you still enjoy every bit of it.
@@albiorixsaturn3532 what are you even talking about?
I'm talking about the "IS-OUGHT" problem. You cannot derive normativity from the fact that the world IS a certain way. Therefore there's only "what is" on a purely nihilistic worldview. what "OUGHT" to be can never be justified because it presupposes the idea that everything we do MATTERS. But it doesn't matter on a purely nihilistic worldview as we are merely a cosmic accident devoid of free will.
@@albiorixsaturn3532 I'm talking about the "IS-OUGHT" problem
@@jostnamane3951 Science and rationality have addressed a great deal of our problems and conundrums. If there are some unaddressed, it doesn't mean we can fall back to dogma, faith, and tradition. If science can't address our conundrums and help moral evaluations, more science is the answer, not less(dogma, faith, superstition, etc).
Firstly, the argument that is to be presented by either party must be on core belief system . Like an atheist no matter what he says his responsibility is to prove that God doesn't exist in any way similiar to this a believer must present his remarks on God's existence. But these debates have no boundaries and are only based on one's interpretations and can go on for ever !
Shoma cant hear Javed properly sitting next to him, but audience can
Many inconsistencies and fallacies in Javed’s statements.. spent the first 5 mins excruciatingly explaining the difference between Faith and Belief and then jn the next segment forgot it all and started admonishing all belief systems.. spent a long time trying to explain that he wasn’t a communist but had the same prism that Lenin used to comment on different religions.. couldn’t understand the basic difference between Dharma and Religion, but at last lost his cool and started ranting about how good the muslim invaders were.. it was apparently a left leaning crowd and at many instances was seen pandering to the audience than indulge in a civil discussion and at the end despite being in the wrong, was rude not only to the fellow panelist but also the moderator.. typical hypocrite at play..! Thanks Javed for showing your true colours, yet again!!!
Anyone who doesn't agree with the panelist you like is a fool, that's what I can see. Just because I and some bad person agrees that sexual violence is wrong, doesn't mean I'm same as the bad person. Similarly, if someone believes all religions are bad, and Lenin happens to believe the same, it doesn't make him Lenin. 😂😂
@@shanblues7257I don't think you understood what the original commenter said, you are too fixated on the parallels drawn. While the essence was, javed seemed two faced, his points were not consistent, and lost his cool because if the loss in debate. Thats why its hard to take javed's words seriously.
And yes if your veiws are similar to lenin you would be considered a neo leninist, just as some people are considored neo nazi. Javed doesn't get hide hide behind the ambiguity of whether he is a communist or not, if his way of thinking is communist.
@@kanavdawra I don't agree with you, but at least Javed made a lot of sense, while Makarand at times wasn't even coherent.
may be your religious sentiment got hurt lol
Nonsense spoken by right wing chaddis like you
There are cuts in this video, plzz upload the uncut video. btw great talk.
When Lindus can't Defend their Hinduism !
Then divert debate towards abrahamic religions 😂
Oldest Kulture strategy 😂🤡🚩
Very good now get out of my country@@SkyMonkeyLing
@@SkyMonkeyLing stop with these inciting comments. Don't promote hate speech.
@@wutangmuslin why they play Whatabouttry ?
@@SkyMonkeyLing dude I'm an atheist, and I criticize Hinduism. But looking at your profile, I seriously doubt that you're one... the odds point to you being a Muslim. And the irony of you people using vile words like "pajeet", when that word very well could be used for you.