I am confident that in the days to come Dr Vikram SAMPATH would be listened to and acknowledged especially by the new generation of leaders of contemporary Bharat 🇮🇳
Abbbbsolutely. Shashi Tharoors for all his tirades against the British is not only British in accent but is totally Britis 8:53 h and also leftist in thought word and deed. A pretentious pompous conceit who deserves to be totally ignored if not jeered and hooted at instead of being celebrated and honoured.
J Sai Deepak while explaining many things correctly, there is a sense of hatred and ignorance in his thoughts that sampath doesn't have. Sampath is the combatant for the liberal while Sai Deepak is the combatant for the Muslims.
@@jayspice4987 Well you clearly learn the History , without any bias the reaction then doesn't seem so illogical . BR Ambedkar , Bhagat singh and many more Big people of our India has same result also that Muslims are never of their motherland first , they are of their religion
Vikram totally killed it! He backed all his talks by logic! And every word was worth listening to! It was like Rajdeep and Shashi VS him , yet by the end he proves his point of truthifying HISTORY!
No he did not prove it. He at the end accepted that there are multiple truths. That's why he gave the example of 4 blind men and an elephant. Each of the blind men arrive at their own idea of what an elephant looks like . They are all true and false at the same time. And history is like that.
The truth hurts. No other explanation for his obvious discomfort at having to listen to someone else speak on subjects he (Sardesai) has obvious opposite views on. I'd argue Sardesai has minimal working knowledge (if you can even call it knowledge) on the subjects he blabs about so of course he'll feel inferior and uncomfortable hearing Vikram speak
The only person who tried to bring politics into the discussion was Rajdeep, you should be ashamed of yourself for moderating it this way. Though Dr. Sampath didn't get much time on, he have conveyed some strong messages, thanks for that.
Rajdeep is a traitor and he is living in India a secular nation that is why he is safe… imagine he being citizen in China or Pakistan and speaking against their history by now he would be in hell already 😅😂 traitor of the worst kind. Even hardcore traitors are killed on spot but india is just tolerating him.
Dr Shashi Tharroor Honest was questionable, it appeared he was trying to protect Nehru family and their wrong doings. Shahshi Tharoor may have protected Nehru family but he has lost voters today. Atleast I will never vote for a liar who conceals facts. Rajdeep Sardesai is a clown and he comes out clearly a slave of Nehru family which is more and more evident. If Modi has got so much support today it is only because of liar media which hunting Modi and due to total distrust in congress party. Nehru and his family has been authoritarian and followed cancel culture from the very beginning even before independence. If he was not appointed by British he would have never become Prime Minister. Now we know where Rahul Gandhi gets this brains from. Vikram Sampath in my view was fabulous he came out with his facts in an articulate manner despite the other two intimating him. Very impressive.
This is just an enactment of the infamous ‘kangaroo court’ put up by the Nehruvian rag ‘India Today’ where under the guise of holding a ‘debate’ the host an unashamed ‘minoritarian’ advocate gobbles up all the airtime! What a farce❗️
Vikram sir is an absolute gem. His calm and composed manner while countering their 'political attacks' is commendable.Thank you so much sir for sharing this knowledge and being daring enough to put forward the harsh truth.
The difference between Shashi Tharoor and Vikrams idea of of india is, Shashi Tharoors idea of india begins 75 years ago and Vikram’s idea begins 5000 years ago
@@alvenawasim3572 Obviously its a frikkin borrowed constituion, if netaji would have been alive he would have ordered to create a new constitution for india .
On one hand Dr.Throor has a viewpoint that the British should pay reparations to India and on the other hand he downplays the excesses and barbarism of invaders like ghazni, ghori, tughlaks, mughals, abdalis etc. You can't have different yardsticks for different invaders. It shows politics of convenience.
Geez like no Hindu kingdoms never invaded any territories?? Bro India was feudal back then, you had to expand to keep your kingdom fck that what even Ashoka had to do.
@@yogeshgoel6268 we should also have humanity and productivity taught. we should also teach ppl should not become trolls for 5 rupees. i agree. We should also teach let go is also greatest solution of all time invented by god and kept elite. lol
Vikram Sampath mentioned Tripuris..We are from the state of Tripura which was ruled by The Twipra Kingdom from time immemorial till India was independent We remained independent from time immemorial till now even mughals couldn’t conquer us.. we are one of the greatest independent kingdom of bharat.. we are here from Mahabharata time till now in NewBharata.
If a certain group or sect of people stick with their I securities and sense of being colonized even in 21st century , its their problem. How come the rest of us Indians don't feel this and just some of you ( or a hindu majority ) feels so ? Get out of it guys
@@bluej6127 When your Supreme Court says that the medium of conversation is English, it reflects the colonial hangover of our country, even though "Satyamev Jayate" is not.
@@draxZz__ no, it only reflects that Indians are able to communicate in an international language. If you hadn't the opportunity to learn English, how would you communicate with me here ? If I hadn't the opportunity to learn English how would I deal with scores of people from all over the world on a daily basis which is part of my job ? I couldn't dream of such a job if I knew no English. I consider my language skill as that of power, that of independence, that of education ...everything positive. If you think English is not freeing you from bandage, I guess we need to talk about mental health. Not colonialism.
@@bluej6127 Either you aren't from India or you have no idea about the reality of India. It is a privilege to know English in this country to the extent that people equates intellect with English (which also reflects the hangover). Forget jobs and interacting with Western world, majority of people in India can't even afford basic primary education, also the reason why Govt of India had to come up with Sarva Siksha Abhiyaan and free mid day meal for students. To make it mandatory for an advocate to communicate and articulate his arguments in English which he wasn't comfortable in shows the colonial mindset of our system which isn't the case in European countries. Bdw the rule that states it is mandatory to communicate in English was setup by the English themselves to narrow down the flow of Indian barristers in British India. Stop assuming that every Indian has the same resources and access as you have. What does mental health has to do with this debate? I have nothing against speaking in English, obviously it is a global language and everyone should learn it if they can afford. I gave you one example of the colonial lens that we are subjected to look through.
As a moderator Rajdeep's personal likes and dislikes are out in the open. From his insinuating tone and false sense of righteousness, it is crystal clear which way he swings.
so i want to be part of your gang uncle. where you are paid to target certain people. Can you let me know your salary or what you earn per comment ? i spend a lot of time on net so i can earn and further your and your gang's cause.
You can only imagine the impact of Vikram Sampath from the fact that likes of Shashi Tharoor have started saying Savarkar as a complex figure rather than outright demonisation of Savarkar as a Hindu Supremacist and a bigoted individual. 😀
Naah, I agree with rajdeep, everytime he was trying to just finalize, summarize what each side told and put the question to next side. (My analysis, free to reply to my comments)
As an NRI, and an American whose ancestors come from SW India (Malabar), I feel so good watching these thinkers/philosophers/historians openly discuss their differences, and express their opinions publicly. India is an open society despite all the bad things attributed to a great land. So those who consider these as debates with winners and losers, don't forget there are ideological nations surrounding India where such discussions are held in contempt and participants shot or maimed over their thoughts. Keep it up. It takes me a while to get to these YT videos, but they are so educating.
I feel blessed that I am to able see and listen to people like Dr. Vikram sampath.. I feel so bad for myself that i don't know 0.1% of actually what happened.. so much to learn and listen to.. Again blessed to hear the other side of the stories bcoz i remember I amd my friends diacussing that our history does not feel like our history.. obviously we weren't that mature to contemplate at that time but certainly few years ago we used to have this talk.. But now i know why it didn't feel like our..And today's school going generation is actually blessed to have this content where they can parellely see and know the other side of the stories and even call out to teachers.. we definitely should have more and more this kind of discussions but maybe with an intellectual journalist who doesn't try to politicize it and also other panelist as historian... Favts vs Facts
The Demon behind partition is British stooge & Agent Nehru, these fellow did partition & broke India & created Pakistan muslum rastra against the well being of country& People only to become the first prime Minister of India.... 👎 This is the history & truth which should be told in all our school & history books.......
Congress historian only want to remember godhra ... mujaffarnagar....aur ayodhya....they don't want to remember partition or moplah or Kashmir....or Mughals...
How Tharoor in each discussion takes out ex. of some Ms being lynched in the name of JSR & consistently fails to mention KP in 90's or many incidents of Ms rioting. & if reminded he would merely say - oh! All such incidents are condemned but fails to do so himself every single time.
@@momobhai3792 how can you even put godhra and Moplah in the same line... The scale of both these riots are extremely different. You're downplaying what happened in Moplah.
@@momobhai3792 I agree with you that riots are riots but as u mentioned if u see politics, economic and social impact there is sharp difference while Moplah during NCM period was in different context with different ruling dispensation who wanted divide and rule and there are some fact which still is not in public domain now we are discussing then we are getting information about I had seen if u 1st or 2nd gen after partition they didn't aware about much about these while in case Godhra riots these issues get much representation in media and political space and atleast we need the truth what trigger and there is now or two version of these story but if u moplah riots every one had different perspective that's why we need to differentiate between both having said both have other consequences as well after Godhra riots no major riots happened in Gujarat but in case of Moplah Islamic doctrine was use and hindu muslim unity slowly decreased and further lead to partition. So we need to look at context both were happened in different time and with different dispensation
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH SIR VIKRAM SAMPATH ...THESE WOUNDS HAVE NEVER HEALED SPECFICALLY THE GREAT SCAR OF PARTITION OF OUR MOTHERLAND CANT BE SIMPLY FORGOTTEN . DR. THAROOR SEEMS TO BE DEFENSIVE IN TERMS OF OUR HISTORY AND BIASIS , CRAVING FOR COMPOSITE CULTURE ON THE EXPENSE OF ONE COMMUNITY ONLY .
Rajdeep was trying hard to entice Vikram by throwing politics and extremist examples towards him. Shows how desperate they have become to keep their false narrative intact. Love the helplessness. :)
@@shaitanknowsbest3822 Hi there. My opinion on this issue is that every religion or societal custom does need reforms from time to time. Most practices in religions are no cause for concern, but some really must be changed. The only issue is, that some religions are not open to these reforms and they are complacent in their ways. There are certain misogynistic verses in a few holy books that should be done away with, but under the fear of committing blasphemy, these verses haven't been removed yet. So unless the society makes a conscious effort to reform themselves, some sexist issues will remain. :D Hope this helps.
Very well presented Dr. Sampath. You were very consistent and clear in your point of view about "truthifying" history while Dr. Tharoor's in the end, just took a balanced approach with a tinge of sly on the current government while his own party had indulged whitewashing the other side of history. That was just hypocritical of Dr. Tharoor. Nevertheless, overall a good discussion barring Sardesai's loonicasies.
@@jayanthisrinivasan9055 mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌 and Is marriage nacessary🙄
In the presence of mature, sophisticated and highly knowledgeable people like Dr. Sampth and Dr. Tharoor, Rajdeep's buffoonery gets especially irritating.
I wasn't sure how someone can/ would be so articulate in front of Dr. Tharoor, listening to this entire discussion was such an eye-opener as a history lover. The entire credit goes to Vikram Sampat for his excellent presentation, the points put forth, and his entire poise was so attractive to not leave this conversation. However, we could have had Rahul Kanwal for this!
well in that case you ought to see your false idol and arguably the most dishonest intellectual of our time getting demolished by J Sai Deepak in a book launch event and discussion. You can find the discussion on Tharoor's youtube channel.
Dr Shashi Tharroor Honesty was questionable, it appeared he was trying to protect Nehru family and their wrong doings. Shahshi Tharoor may have protected Nehru family but he has lost voters today. Atleast I will never vote for a liar who conceals facts. Rajdeep Sardesai is a clown and he comes out clearly a slave of Nehru family which is more and more evident. If Modi has got so much support today it is only because of liar media which hunting Modi and due to total distrust in congress party. Nehru and his family has been authoritarian and followed cancel culture from the very beginning even before independence. If he was not appointed by British he would have never become Prime Minister. Now we know where Rahul Gandhi gets this brains from. Vikram Sampath in my view was fabulous he came out with his facts in an articulate manner despite the other two intimating him. Very impressive.
@@Liberty55555 whatever but this Quote is true if you deny the Human History From African caves to Moon,Mars and Evolution of Humankind A Dark Future is ready for You
Vikram Sampath is very right when he says "For the kids in school the story of her country is shown as a third person as of it belongs to some other nation" I always thought about it whenever I reflected back on the history I studied in school (NCERT) It clearly created my thought process that "British were good for India & Mughals were even better" simply based on the information in the textbooks glorifying British (indirectly) and Mughals Directly as well as most of the teachers doing the same. Later on in life I found out about the reality and about the barrage of misinformation it was I was shocked & felt sad for the younger ones still studying the same misinformation in Schools. So proud of Vikram Sampath for shedding some light of truth about our "Pyara Bharat" & giving a befitting reply to the "Brown Angrez" monopoly in the country and creating a bright hope for future generations.
Exactly... The glorification and demonization of certain characters and the language used in the NCERT books really caught my attention... I would think about why was this so... But I am 19 now, I have Twitter and I now know why.... J Sai Deepak and Rajiv Malhotra first opened my eyes✨🙏🏻 VERY GRATEFUL!
Rajdeep isn't capable of holding these kind of debates.This isn't political mumbo jumbo where you can get away with doing dalali. History thrives on facts which is not Raju's forte.
What an eloquent speaker, Dr.Sampath! You can see in his dialogues that he truly has no political motivations and honestly wants Indians to acknowledge their history, move on and build a better future. Dr.Tharoor, you have finally met your match :) let's not forget that the reason why history is getting politicised today is because as Dr.Sampath says, we haven't had closure. Even German students learn in detail about the atrocities of Hitler and the holocaust, it only helps them to come at peace with their past and not hold it against anyone. And if you support denying the truth to Indians, you are only risking the future of this country further, from more grave polarisation or communalism. And if the history of my country has to rely on such shaky bandaids, then you're also underestimating the constitutional secularism. INDIA has always been a pluralistic country, we have always accepted people of other faith and differences. So trust your country with its true history!
Dr. Sampath needs to be heard more, this man knows what He us talking. Him and K.K. Mohammad sir both should do series of sessions on in Indian History historically and archeologically as well
Vikram sampat is one of the most under rated personality of recent times. He should be given the responsibility to rewrite history. Just can't stop listening when he speaks . It's not just articulation but knowledge and sharpness.
Rajdeep desai is a true Muslim and his teachers and parents too who teach him false history. Rajdeep Desai is a pappu Chatu and today he is doing the same chatupana of Congress 🤑🤑
@@FinanceUnlearn No. My point is that he's doing a pathetic job of what's expected of him and I surely not wish to witness a shrewd politician doing the job of what an honest journalist should be doing (which this fellow is Not doing).
शानदार चर्चा🔥🔥🔥...इंडिया टुडे कॉन्क्लेव के आयोजकों को धन्यवाद l जिस तरह से दोनों (बुद्धिजीवियों) ने जवाब देने से पहले (बिना भटके) धैर्य के साथ एक-दूसरे की बात सुनी, वह बहुत सकारात्मक था और इतिहास को वर्णित करने के बारे में विक्रम जी का दृष्टिकोण थरूर जी की तुलना में काफी अधिक ठोस एवं संतोषजनक है।
I have rarely seen tharoor being apologist in any interview to protect his party! Proud of you Vikram sampat! We need voices like you in international press debates representing India.
Exactly and for the first time I saw that Tharoor didn't have an answer when he was asked how he wants people to remember British colonization but doesn't want to remember August 14 or brutality of Mughals. It's not easy to win any argument against Tharoor.
You should also watch J Sai Deepak completely demolish Shashi Tharoor on his own book launch event… Dr. Tharoor was absolutely short on replies by questions and facts bombarded by JSD.
@@shrutiv8866 Tharoor is one of the few people in Indian politics, who can go against the idelogy of his own party and apologies for it's wrongdoings on stage. A clap for Mr. Tharoor as well.
If Indian liberals and political party with agenda glorifying butcher like Tippu for their own benefit we should shy away calling them Desh drohi too...One who celebrate your country's destroyer can't be called a leader anyway.
@@vadirajt Thats the irony of this country. Vikram said that, "U have bakhtiyarpur town near ruins of Nalanda" Aint that amazing ? We R a "brainwashed Republic"
Today’s Muslims who were Hindus sometimes in the past can’t be blamed and we are not blaming them but those who still feel proud about aurangajeb , those must be sent to Afghanistan
@@bennet79 Buddha also preached Dharma. Bhiddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism these are all Dharmic religions. Personally, I am ready to follow anyone or everything of these. I see no difference. It just depends on your perception of God. What you believe in. Sanatan Dharma allows one to be theist, monotheistic, atheist. Just follow Dharma and do the right thing.
@@bennet79 buddhisum arrived much more later. Yes lots of hindus converted to buddhisum, but later, bhagwaan adi shankaraachaary brought them back to sanatan vedic dharma!
There's a difference between how a country stands and how a country runs which Tharoor needs to understand. Country runs by it's constitution but stands on a base provided by it's culture. No country stands on constitution; it only runs it.
Take a bow Vikram Sampath ji. You are giving voice to what we feel all the time as Bharatiya who can't even talk about their own historical atrocities openly just because it's not socially and politically correct and will upset few people. It's unfortunate.
To debate over such a vast subject like history, one has to read properly to be prepared. But he doesn't have that time as he wastes his entire time only to bash the govt.
Vikram sampath kept smiling throughout the debate cz he was so confident with the facts he has under his belly, he answered every counter with grace & facts..
India's true history must be told. Wholeheartedly agree with Dr. Vikram Sampath. Mr. Tharoor seems to believe ignoring history will heal wounds of the past, but he fails to understand that it is this ignorance that is keeping those wounds fresh and not letting it heal. Echos of the past always affect the future, and if the young population of India doesn't understand their true history then it is doomed to be repeated on them.
Vikram sampath destroys lefts with his smile & truth🙃✨ . J Sai Deepak destroys lefts with his unbeatable facts💥🦁 . Anand Ranganathan destroys lefts with his sarcasm😂😂 . Three gems of our Nation ❤ Bharat ❤
Finally an intellectual in true sense of the word has come onto the scene. Government should commission Vikram Sampath to rewrite Indian history since invasion by Muslims. He is young and has ability to do this enormous task.
26:58 I agree with Shashi Tharoor on this that what muslims did 500 yrs ago should not be repaid by the now muslim population. But he always forget same point of view about Hindus. They have spent whole life demonising Hindu caste system (which is bad and fading quickly) of past and that sin is put on us (Now Hindus). This shouldn't be like that. Either both were wrong or both are right.
Dr Shashi Tharroor - Honesty was questionable, it appeared he was trying to protect Nehru family and their wrong doings. Shahshi Tharoor may have protected Nehru family but he has lost voters today. Atleast I will never vote for a liar who conceals facts. Rajdeep Sardesai is a clown and he comes out clearly a slave of Nehru family which is more and more evident. If Modi has got so much support today it is only because of liar media witch hunting Modi and due to total distrust in congress party. Nehru and his family has been authoritarian and followed cancel culture from the very beginning even before independence. If he was not appointed by British he would have never become Prime Minister. Now we know where Rahul Gandhi gets this brains from. Vikram Sampath in my view was fabulous he came out with his facts in an articulate manner despite the other two intimating him. Very impressive.
@@lisaalfred8504 Prior to 1947 many partitions of India took place and much of the hindu lands were made into separate countries now (Most of them are now muslim counties like Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, but some Buddhist countries like Myanmar, Burma, Tibet (which was in 1950 occupied by china). Finally in 1946 East and west Pakistan was made by the british but east Pakistan later separated from Pakistan and became Bangladesh. (Both Muslims majorty nations) In 1947 neither Nehru nor Jinnah was elected by the people they were both appointed by the British. In 1947, the British firstly partitioned India to create Pakistan in 1947 based on religion. India for 90% Hindus, Sikh population and Pakistan for only 8-9% Muslims population. But the land given to create Pakistan is 30% of India this was achieved via 30% reservation to Muslims in provisional elections. But in 1947 the British decided to give 30% of India land was given to form Pakistan which was for the only 8-9% Muslims living in undivided India. In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So 10% of Muslims enjoyed a largely uninhabited Pakistan for muslims. Whereas my grand parents who were Hindu came to an over crowded India not knowing that 90% muslims will not leave the part created for hindus by the British. But this did not bother the British after all this was not their problem. But those 22% Hindus who stayed back in west Pakistan were killed/ converted / forced out by 1991 census their population was reduced to less then 2%. Same happened in east Paksitan hind or bangladesh Hindus were reduced from 29% to 6.5%. In 1947, My Grand Parents were living in current day Pakistan but they were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindh over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. So my grand parents migrated to India as we were told this will be country for Hindus. But this was not the first time ours ancestors had already migrated 6 times earlier due to the Muslim Invasions of India from 10th century to 16th Century. Indians were forced by the British to appoint a certain family favorable to the British hence Nehru was appointed ( not elected by Indians) as Prime minister of India. Till this date this family controls Indian congress party (who ruled India for 65 years since 1947). This family obliged the British to remain in power. Earlier this family had muslim ancestors later they pretended to be Hindu but now the daughter in law took over as head of congress party and she is Christian. In Pakistan similarly Muslim league was caretakers but later Pakistan army done a coupe of constitutional leadership but they themselves became vassals of the Americans later. Never forget it took 75 years of independence to get a verdict in favor of Ram Mandir. 65 years of that was under congress rule. Because India was divided based on religion and India was made for Hindus. In 1951 when the constitution of India was drafted the British forced changes to the constitution of India via the Indian congress party to add clauses to protect rights of the minorities in India. So the Constitution of India says that Minorities of India have right to practice own religion, and they are allowed to teach own religion texts like bible in schools where minorities are in majority. But the congress party later translated that Hindus cannot get these same rights as minority as constitution does not clarify that Hindu majority schools can teach hindu texts like bhagwad gita and vedas in hindu majorty schools. Hence till date Hindu majorty schools in India cannot teach Bhagwad Gita and Vedas but Muslim majorty school are allowed to teach quran and Christian majority schools allowed to teach bible. Actually now hindus in Muslim majorty school must learn quran and bible if they go to Christian majority schools should they opt for it else they can choose social science. But there is not such arrangement for Hindu majority schools. Another thing that happened in 1951 is that Muslims who stayed back in India were not accepting universal law drafted for all Indians. So the congress party appointed Prime Minister Nehru allowed Muslims to follow partial sharia in India whereby they were allowed to marry 4 times but Hindus were denied this right despite their religious scripture do not require them to marry only once. As they were forced to accept universal law (renamed as Hindu code bill) which was universal code bill originally drafted for all Indians. Hindus who protested against this were shot dead. Hence no choice was left but for hindus to accept this. The impact of this was that the Hindu population which was 92% in 1946 changed over the years reduced o 76% and the muslim population in India increased from 8% to 24% but officially we are told muslim population is just 14% during last census. The constitution of India further said that minorites can manage own religions institutions and NGOs. But since the constitution did not clarify this for the hindu majority the Hindu temples in India for the last 75 years are controlled by the state government. And since the government officers can be christian or muslim so any officers can be assigned responsibility to manage the security and treasury of the temples. Congress made sure anyone who protests will be dead and media never covered anything nobody will be left alive to tell his story. Hence in India you can find temples controlled by Muslim or Christian IAS officers of the govt but this is never the case with churches and mosques. As there is no govt control in constitution for minority institutions, Since the govt controlled the treasury and security of the temples. they could at will withdraw money from temple treasury for the greater good of India and its minority welfare. many a times the money taken from treasury of temples was transferred to chief minister fund and then from there it was used for rice donations to Christians and Muslims during their festivals. This is why christian and muslims will only vote for congress party in India. Rice donation to minorities in billions of dollars made with temple funds. Very few news papers and media wrote about this Teaching Sanskrit in schools was already stopped by British in 18 century and replaced with foreign language Persian and English made compulsory. As you know the only language Hindus can read vedas or religious scripts is Sanskrit so gradually children was forced to leave Sanskrit due to which Indians now cannot read from own religious scriptures' so now they depend on the translations made by Germans, British, American Sanskrit scholars. We dont have the means to challenge them even if these translations are fake and corrupt because we dont have research funding in India for Sanskrit. Very few people know Sanskrit in India, Nehru and his congress gave funding for persian, arabic, urdu but not for sanskrit. Now Nasa uses sanskrit but Indians dont use sanskrit. And because Sanskrit is not taught and we cannot read our scriptures most Hindus donot know that Hindu was the name given to us by our invaders it was never the name of our religion, Sanatan dharma is the real name. We dont know that caste is not in Sanatan Dharma but a Portuguese word and British who captured caste in their census documents on purpose to divide Indians. Till date you will see christians & muslims always talking about caste discriminations which are fake, as they were never part of hindu religion. Sati became a practice after islamic invasions. During Islamic invasions girls would be kidnapped by Muslims so to avoid being kidnapped they would kill themselves in absence of any male family member alive to protect them. But the foreign wester writer wrote in their books that this was Hindu religious custom where as it was social solution social due to situation not part of religion. Such fake translations are constantly used in western media to demonize Hindus. The history Indian books and school curriculum books are written to glorify islamic invasions/ donot tell us much about the persecutions by the British but they also ignore to teach us about many of the great hindu rulers of the past. Hindu history is taught with a purpose to create low esteem among Hindus. Our school curriculum books show Hindus and Brahmins in low light. Recently our school teachers are even started teaching us that Kashmir does not belong to India which is far far away from the truth. Despite there is a Hindu majority in India it took us 75 years of court battle to get rights to a temple in India which was illegally occupied by Muslims and Hindus believed it to be birth place of one Hindu god but the case which was started before independence during British time they did not want the Hindus to have this temple so it was differed. This is because our Judiciary system still works they way British wanted them to work. It is not designed for justice but to keep Hindus deprived of justice. In 2019 the judment we have been waiting for a century finally came but we gave the muslims In 1990 in Kashmir the Kashmiri Hindu pandits the original inhabitants whose ancestors lived in Kashmir more then 5000 years faced exodus at the hands of the muslims who came from outside but some sections our Indian media were justifying the genocide and exodus of Hindus saying it was because the the hindus were too educated and hence holding privileged jobs in Kashmir which deprived the muslims so the kashmiri muslims have every right to lynch them to death and do their exodus.
Sardesai quite obviously can't have a discussion without masala. He tried his best between Tharoor and Sampath to fight but that's the difference between intelligence and ignorance. Sampath and Tharoor have differing views but respect each other's perspective and to some extent understand why they hold those views and find them valid. On the other hand, Sardesai is your basic neighborhood aunty who just wants gossip and to witness fighting. No moderator was needed to be honest.
I could not have said it better. Rajdeep is not a good moderator. Period. Moderators typically ask probing questions, and let the experts share their views. Their class comes through in their silence. Rajdeep is instead a voluble, poorly informed man who loves his own voice. I am no way a right-winger (if at all, I am closer to the far left), but this man has roads to travel to become good in his profession.
Vikram sampath is such a genuine and humble person, he have proved that truth need not be shouted unlike the two who are trying hard to push theirs words. He should be appointed for checking the NCERT that is actually not showing the generation the real history of India and the glory or real heroes those given life for saving the culture.
@@arnabchaudhuri1212 left intellectuals can barter anything for ideology as Russian spy Yuri Beznemov said they r useful idiots , they even fear to call 26/11 as isIamist attack rather assume it as rss ki saazish . The whole continent is divided on lines of religion with Jinnah sweeping elections still left is in denial ki "koi to hoga musIim" jo ishwar alla tero naam gaayega ". Twitter utha lo ye jo Arfa Rana Sayema Saba kisi ne bhi APJ Kalam sir ki aniversary pe wish nhi kiya he was nationalist and a native muslim which will in opposite of those whom the want to project .
@@arnabchaudhuri1212 History is what is not taught and yes propaganda of hindutva whats that, actually a thought made by the people who actually can not stand as a sanatni, that is fine with us no worries bro, you are thinking your way out and we are not judging even 😜, and about the old religious things what you want to say about shariya then?? Does that work on today's science?? P.S -:science and tech people are also human.
That’s what Democrats do in every country. They clean up Islamic shit and encourage mainstream population to ingest it. Gandhi was an epitome of that philosophy. The butchers remain what the book teaches them 5x a day.
He also said that every voice of historians should be heard and let ppl have their own opinion. Infact every country has undergone invasion but no one keeps reminding that and use that as an excuse for failing to work. The supposed generation of the invaders are not responsible of what happened in the past. We are no more in kingdom rulers, it’s democratic
@@rafag8574 what do you mean by “supposed generation of invaders”? How many Islamic countries (countries with state religion declared as Islam) are democratic? There are more than 50 of those, right? What has changed for women in those countries? The biggest of Islamic countries with the religious hub doesn’t even allow it’s women to drive?
Yes thats what makes those countries sick and no one wants to live there. Our country Muslims are Indians and they don't belong to Islamic countries. They have citizenship here
I seriously respect people who sit besides Rajdeep and control themselves to not punch him in the face..what a shameless man..even Tharoor is not defending the propaganda of his party as much as Rajdeep is doing.
Vikram Sampath was mesmerizing and his words as pure as nectar. The youth and adult of India have been starving for this kind of clarity in thoughts since Independence. Shashi Tharoor ji again trying to convey to the audience that he is so honest hence, he is with the crooked group just to show them the right way and Rajdeep still trying to find the right way.
shimonPeres may never have told anything of that sort to shashitharoor...he can easily get away with lies... catch someone of that stature sharing his mind with the likes of tharoor...who was he afterall...wrt any Israeli head of state...
Vikram Sampath's clarity of thought is amazing. And he has actually raised the real issue that no one addressed. Social peace cannot be brought until the past crimes have been addressed and made peace with. Its not like the past wounds had healed. It's just we didn't know that there were these wounds. Now that people want to talk about it, suddenly, you are saying why now. It's a political agenda etc. etc.
Rajdeep kept trying that the two get into a heated debate. But these are two learned men and they both agreed with each other. Respect for other views ....what a nice healthy debate. This is the idea of India
I agree to you totally except the first line. Rajdeep infact posed difficult qs to both of them which is the job of a journo. But the beauty is that both of them finally converged at the same point. that was so heartening to see.
Sorry honey,out of all 3 speakers that spoken in this debate, Shashi Taroor's approach is going to be bring higher net positive in term of democratic society,financial and story that India will tells to itself and other countries.By getting cheap debate scores like Taroor said talking about damages of the past and encourage hand pointing even worse discrimination or massacre or policy change based on the past being the catalyst will do no good for current India.Like Vikram said truthtify history but like Shashi said forgive but not forget.Our today's problem is gonna be larger and universal like global warming and water crisis which threaten the needs of a voter not wants or desires.The racism and hatred against Muslims and need to uphold hinduism and the support you all cast fort it only goes to show that you do not respect the Indian constituion that you forefathers attain and upheld with courage despite having witnessed their own people being displaced,torched and murdered with their own eyes.As many nation's citizens on this planet leading towards idealism,thanks to social media exposure comprised with world citizens giving inputs for the betterment of humanity as a whole,it is right to say that India should accelerate its acknowledgement of it's history,be a part of modern society and more importantly plan a better future for it's own sake.
@@visaAVTS You seem to be a classic case of a brainwashed youth in school and college via NCERTs and other audio-visual media. Tell me ine example of 'hate against muslims' or imposing Hindutva on others. FYI, hindutva is a way and philosophy of life according to supreme court, not that it required SC's validation but there it is. If you think calling out radical islamic jihadis in the open, making them bow down to law and making the younger generation aware of iur glorious past and historical achievements in science, philosophy, medicine, public administration, Political science, democracy et al 'imposition of hindutva' so be it. I can only pity your mindset. In a desperate attempt to come across as 'modern' and 'secular' you are wllillingly ( or may be you are afraid ) to whitewash so many atrocities conducted upon the non-muslims and even muslims of the country in the past in so many ways ! That's strange to say the least. And when the correct narrative was brought out in the open by scholars like Vikrama and J Sai Deepak and so many intellegent others, they were immidiately targeted by the so-called 'intellectuals' for no reason. Clearly they can't stand on their own in a debate as it was crystal clear here in case of Tharoor, a convict no less pending full investigation, so they propogate false narrative employing the same ecosystem they have developed over 70 years by the crooked money they looted and scammed. You think calling out past injustices is wrong ? Lol, you are some character my friend. The root cause lies in the fundamentals of islamic philosophy, unless that is reformed no culture or education or anything can bring substantial change. Have you not seen 'educated and wealthy' muslims in UK and elsewhere calling out for death of democracy ? Or demanding beheading for whosoever leaves islam ? These should not be called out in the open acc. to you bcos it may create a hostile environment ? Educate yourself first honey and then put your arguments. As far as constitution is concerned, Indira gandhi declaring emergency was upholding cinstitution, right ? Scams in lakhs of crores was upholding the constitution, right ? Cons like this Tharoor attract folks like you just bcos he speaks fine english and wears a Rolex. The reason is bcos you are still colonized in your mind.
@@visaAVTS Islam isn't a Race. You are preaching baloney using all sorts of whataboutery to divert the issue of the topic. Tharoor is a fraud because he himself is guilty on regularly hating on the British in both his books and speeches. So it's not really about Forgive. Tharoor is desperate to sustain the Marxist Jihadist Mythology where Gandhi is Jesus, Savarkar is Satan, Godse is like jews, Brits are Pagans. Stop shamelessly inverting reality. Muslims are the most racist and oppressive people who continuall6 commit crimes against humanity and embody hatred. You seem to be welfare-baiting prospective abdools into bs. His own party hates on Hindus regularly on fictional Aryan Invasion that never happened, polemical attacks on so called Hindu Casteism, celebrates festivals for Ravan and Mahishashur after demonizing hating on Hindus gods etc. And shut in on climate outrage, Muslims of Middle East continue to be worst polluters
The edifice of national unity or social cohesion cannot stand on the shaky foundations of whitewashed history... goosebumps! More power to you, Vikram Sampath !
Kudos to Dr. Vikram Sampath for handling the debate questions from both Sashi Taroor and Rajdeep with truth, patience and respect.. The two elder’s prejudiced state on the whole issue and not just accepting to understand why correcting the History of India is needed without any political view, minority views.. Wish Vikram all good luck in this Experiment of Truth to bring out the greatness of Bharath! Jai Hind!
Biggest irony of the entire video..... Rajdeep saying, "LET'S BE HONEST"
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Dr Vikram Sampath is criminally underrated. He should be given a bigger stage. A lot more people should listen to him!
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Yes! He should not waste his precious time to appear in a debate of Rajdeep Sardesai
R C Majumdar’s books which were not available earlier are now available stating real history
I am confident that in the days to come Dr Vikram SAMPATH would be listened to and acknowledged especially by the new generation of leaders of contemporary Bharat 🇮🇳
And that’ll happen only when such inflated egos like Tharoor are put in the dustbins of colonialism 🛑
Sai Deepak is little aggressive and Sampath is assertive
I appreciate both of them
True except that J Sai Deepak should be more aggressive and Sampath a lot more assertive. 😄
Abbbbsolutely. Shashi Tharoors for all his tirades against the British is not only British in accent but is totally Britis 8:53 h and also leftist in thought word and deed. A pretentious pompous conceit who deserves to be totally ignored if not jeered and hooted at instead of being celebrated and honoured.
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J Sai Deepak while explaining many things correctly, there is a sense of hatred and ignorance in his thoughts that sampath doesn't have. Sampath is the combatant for the liberal while Sai Deepak is the combatant for the Muslims.
@@jayspice4987 Well you clearly learn the History , without any bias the reaction then doesn't seem so illogical . BR Ambedkar , Bhagat singh and many more Big people of our India has same result also that Muslims are never of their motherland first , they are of their religion
Vikram totally killed it! He backed all his talks by logic! And every word was worth listening to! It was like Rajdeep and Shashi VS him , yet by the end he proves his point of truthifying HISTORY!
No he did not prove it. He at the end accepted that there are multiple truths. That's why he gave the example of 4 blind men and an elephant. Each of the blind men arrive at their own idea of what an elephant looks like . They are all true and false at the same time. And history is like that.
Rajdeep becomes very uncomfortable whenever Vikram starts speaking.
Pandey lol😂😂
true dude!
Yes Pandey ji. Rdeep WASTE n biased.
That's the power of Truth!!
The truth hurts. No other explanation for his obvious discomfort at having to listen to someone else speak on subjects he (Sardesai) has obvious opposite views on. I'd argue Sardesai has minimal working knowledge (if you can even call it knowledge) on the subjects he blabs about so of course he'll feel inferior and uncomfortable hearing Vikram speak
Let's appreciate Rajdeep's perseverance in exposing his own stupidity.
he is an fool no 1 but he has few competitors
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I loved when both of them just ignored rajdeep and started to talk facing each other 😂
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That jerk doesn’t deserve anyone’s attention.. I always remember Ambani’s words, wonder if even his wife takes him seriously..
yeah this was like sampath n shashi disagreeing on some points n then both of them debating against rajdeep
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Can you mention even one point in your video where they ignored him? IT cell is doing quite good job here in TH-cam...LOL
The only person who tried to bring politics into the discussion was Rajdeep, you should be ashamed of yourself for moderating it this way. Though Dr. Sampath didn't get much time on, he have conveyed some strong messages, thanks for that.
Is he a traitor
Rajdeep is a traitor and he is living in India a secular nation that is why he is safe… imagine he being citizen in China or Pakistan and speaking against their history by now he would be in hell already 😅😂 traitor of the worst kind. Even hardcore traitors are killed on spot but india is just tolerating him.
Very true
Dr Shashi Tharroor Honest was questionable, it appeared he was trying to protect Nehru family and their wrong doings. Shahshi Tharoor may have protected Nehru family but he has lost voters today. Atleast I will never vote for a liar who conceals facts.
Rajdeep Sardesai is a clown and he comes out clearly a slave of Nehru family which is more and more evident. If Modi has got so much support today it is only because of liar media which hunting Modi and due to total distrust in congress party. Nehru and his family has been authoritarian and followed cancel culture from the very beginning even before independence. If he was not appointed by British he would have never become Prime Minister. Now we know where Rahul Gandhi gets this brains from.
Vikram Sampath in my view was fabulous he came out with his facts in an articulate manner despite the other two intimating him. Very impressive.
Well said.
Hats off to Vikram Sampath. He rocked this show with his deep research. Rajdeep as usual is a shame on humanity.
Yes,lol.
True
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Exactly
As usual 🤣🤣🤣👌
It was 2 against 1 and still Vikram ji come out at the Top. So, one can imagine how much knowledge Vikram JI possesses on History of India!
Because he is beyond politics.
yeah, I also noticed, the host siding with Tharoor and interrupted him many times, speaking on Tharoor's behalf.
Vikram is a historian so obviously he will be
Vikram ka kutta😂😂
This is just an enactment of the infamous ‘kangaroo court’ put up by the Nehruvian rag ‘India Today’ where under the guise of holding a ‘debate’ the host an unashamed ‘minoritarian’ advocate gobbles up all the airtime! What a farce❗️
Vikram sir is an absolute gem. His calm and composed manner while countering their 'political attacks' is commendable.Thank you so much sir for sharing this knowledge and being daring enough to put forward the harsh truth.
The difference between Shashi Tharoor and Vikrams idea of of india is, Shashi Tharoors idea of india begins 75 years ago and Vikram’s idea begins 5000 years ago
And Rajdeep don't have any idea what's going on here
So the constitution of India is basically shit? 😂
@@alvenawasim3572 Obviously its a frikkin borrowed constituion, if netaji would have been alive he would have ordered to create a new constitution for india .
And Rajdeep's idea of India took a pause somewhere in 2002!
@@alvenawasim3572 absolutely.
On one hand Dr.Throor has a viewpoint that the British should pay reparations to India and on the other hand he downplays the excesses and barbarism of invaders like ghazni, ghori, tughlaks, mughals, abdalis etc. You can't have different yardsticks for different invaders. It shows politics of convenience.
British were enemies of Mughals and Tharoor always is on Islamic side
@@bhavyap590 Britishers faught against Marathas. So which side he is coming from?
@@sanilyadav1450 Tharoor glorifies Mughal invaders so he is never on Marathas side. His side is his growing political vote bank
Has Tharoor converted to Islam?
Geez like no Hindu kingdoms never invaded any territories?? Bro India was feudal back then, you had to expand to keep your kingdom fck that what even Ashoka had to do.
Vikram is truly an intellectual. Very well researched and articulated agruguments.
@@guruv.k488 ? what's wrong
because , RW makes nowadays more research to speak ,and left just keep using same logic from 47s. That's why RW speakers looks more intellect
all that he has to say is unverified . no proof. well funded. and hence today. lol.
@@yogeshgoel6268 but if so much is included in book you will not be able to pass exam. lol i am so sure based on your comment i can bet on it. lol.
@@yogeshgoel6268 we should also have humanity and productivity taught. we should also teach ppl should not become trolls for 5 rupees. i agree. We should also teach let go is also greatest solution of all time invented by god and kept elite. lol
How polite Vikram sampath ji is 😐😐❤️❤️ showing how much knowledge he has because immense knowledge make person polite and calm ❤️❤️
Vikram Sampath mentioned Tripuris..We are from the state of Tripura which was ruled by The Twipra Kingdom from time immemorial till India was independent We remained independent from time immemorial till now even mughals couldn’t conquer us.. we are one of the greatest independent kingdom of bharat.. we are here from Mahabharata time till now in NewBharata.
But no history book teach we that's the question..
Such an amazing piece of history hidden from us... Truly unfair 😢
Great history... But not in books
I wish your glorious history will be mentioned in the every book 🏆
Yes, for sure we want to read the history of North East part of India as well.
"Let's truthify the history" - Vikram Sampath, 2021
The need of this country.
Damn right
There are many truths as he said in the end , with Blind men and Elephant story .
@@kaiwalyaghotkar832 mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
ok andhbhakt
@@Abuzar_khan441 Ohh madrasha chap also comment here
“We might be politically independent but i think our minds are far from de-colonized” Vikram Sampath hit a bull's eye!
If a certain group or sect of people stick with their I securities and sense of being colonized even in 21st century , its their problem. How come the rest of us Indians don't feel this and just some of you ( or a hindu majority ) feels so ? Get out of it guys
@@bluej6127 So should I take permission from you to appreciate a great author/historian ? You made it religious also. Do something better dude
@@bluej6127 When your Supreme Court says that the medium of conversation is English, it reflects the colonial hangover of our country, even though "Satyamev Jayate" is not.
@@draxZz__ no, it only reflects that Indians are able to communicate in an international language. If you hadn't the opportunity to learn English, how would you communicate with me here ? If I hadn't the opportunity to learn English how would I deal with scores of people from all over the world on a daily basis which is part of my job ? I couldn't dream of such a job if I knew no English. I consider my language skill as that of power, that of independence, that of education ...everything positive. If you think English is not freeing you from bandage, I guess we need to talk about mental health. Not colonialism.
@@bluej6127 Either you aren't from India or you have no idea about the reality of India. It is a privilege to know English in this country to the extent that people equates intellect with English (which also reflects the hangover). Forget jobs and interacting with Western world, majority of people in India can't even afford basic primary education, also the reason why Govt of India had to come up with Sarva Siksha Abhiyaan and free mid day meal for students. To make it mandatory for an advocate to communicate and articulate his arguments in English which he wasn't comfortable in shows the colonial mindset of our system which isn't the case in European countries. Bdw the rule that states it is mandatory to communicate in English was setup by the English themselves to narrow down the flow of Indian barristers in British India. Stop assuming that every Indian has the same resources and access as you have. What does mental health has to do with this debate? I have nothing against speaking in English, obviously it is a global language and everyone should learn it if they can afford. I gave you one example of the colonial lens that we are subjected to look through.
As a moderator Rajdeep's personal likes and dislikes are out in the open. From his insinuating tone and false sense of righteousness, it is crystal clear which way he swings.
It’s also evident as a news person.
No moderator is unbiased. Most of them. Especially so in India today.
so i want to be part of your gang uncle. where you are paid to target certain people. Can you let me know your salary or what you earn per comment ? i spend a lot of time on net so i can earn and further your and your gang's cause.
@@OtisAdonisChad timesnow amchors only unbiased
perfectly decoded rajdeep mindset
It is actually a 2 on 1 debate.
But still Vikram sir 🔥🔥
This is more a set up to get at Dr. Vikram Sampath and a desperate attempt to stifle the rising Dharmic 🕉️ consciousness in contemporary Bharat.
sadly, all debates in India are same where anchors behave as participants
he is still making senseless points tho
Dr Vikram Sampath has emerged as a valuable asset to Indian culture.
You can only imagine the impact of Vikram Sampath from the fact that likes of Shashi Tharoor have started saying Savarkar as a complex figure rather than outright demonisation of Savarkar as a Hindu Supremacist and a bigoted individual. 😀
Yes
This is shashi throor a historian vs shashi throor a politician.
Who killed Sunanda Phuskar
Lad, get your English a lvl up.
@@itsyourboyb.s.rathore7950 sir, we dont serve englishmen anymore!
The only time debate becomes unbearable is when Rajdeep speaks , rest knowledge is top notch.
Exactly 😂🤣😂
This is not a debate, it's a discussion cause both intellectuals are agreeing on eachother's point which usually doesn't happen in debates
yeah i like both tharoor and Vikram but can't stand rajdeep 😂😂😂
Very true I can’t withstand that bastard
Naah, I agree with rajdeep, everytime he was trying to just finalize, summarize what each side told and put the question to next side.
(My analysis, free to reply to my comments)
As an NRI, and an American whose ancestors come from SW India (Malabar), I feel so good watching these thinkers/philosophers/historians openly discuss their differences, and express their opinions publicly. India is an open society despite all the bad things attributed to a great land. So those who consider these as debates with winners and losers, don't forget there are ideological nations surrounding India where such discussions are held in contempt and participants shot or maimed over their thoughts. Keep it up. It takes me a while to get to these YT videos, but they are so educating.
Who do you think out of these 3 nailed the conversation?
Absolutely killed it VikramJi. Your book on Savarkar was a eye-opener!
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@@sapnabhardwaj2856 savrakar echoes party 1 and part 2 read it by Vikram samptah
J Sai Deepak and Vikram Sampath are Gems of India.
Also, Rajiv Malhotraji! :)
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Also, Tejasvi Surya!
Totally agree with you. 👍🏻
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Now we are getting true historians. Thank you and all the best Dr. Sampath.
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True. Now I feel compelled to read Dr Vikram Sampath’s two volume book🙏🏼
I feel blessed that I am to able see and listen to people like Dr. Vikram sampath.. I feel so bad for myself that i don't know 0.1% of actually what happened.. so much to learn and listen to.. Again blessed to hear the other side of the stories bcoz i remember I amd my friends diacussing that our history does not feel like our history.. obviously we weren't that mature to contemplate at that time but certainly few years ago we used to have this talk.. But now i know why it didn't feel like our..And today's school going generation is actually blessed to have this content where they can parellely see and know the other side of the stories and even call out to teachers.. we definitely should have more and more this kind of discussions but maybe with an intellectual journalist who doesn't try to politicize it and also other panelist as historian... Favts vs Facts
Impressed with Sampath. He is articulate,polite and well researched
Vikramji is articulate and brilliant.
Vikram Sampath: Facts Facts Facts.
Shashi Tharoor: Opinion Opinion Opinion
Rajdeep: Bark Bark Bark
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The Demon behind partition is British stooge & Agent Nehru, these fellow did partition & broke India & created Pakistan muslum rastra against the well being of country& People only to become the first prime Minister of India.... 👎 This is the history & truth which should be told in all our school & history books.......
@@sathu108 and the guy savarkar who wrote a mercy petition
@@ajaykc004 LOL everyone wrote mercy petitions ... as did Gandhi for saverkar since medal winner Gandhi was so trusted by the brits.
In one word you told the total story
Congress historian only want to remember godhra ... mujaffarnagar....aur ayodhya....they don't want to remember partition or moplah or Kashmir....or Mughals...
How Tharoor in each discussion takes out ex. of some Ms being lynched in the name of JSR & consistently fails to mention KP in 90's or many incidents of Ms rioting.
& if reminded he would merely say - oh! All such incidents are condemned but fails to do so himself every single time.
Well one must not justify riots...Be it godhra or moplah...This whataboutism will never end.
@@momobhai3792 how can you even put godhra and Moplah in the same line... The scale of both these riots are extremely different. You're downplaying what happened in Moplah.
@@Adityatalks..W Riots are riots. People die, economies shut, politicians win.
@@momobhai3792 I agree with you that riots are riots but as u mentioned if u see politics, economic and social impact there is sharp difference while Moplah during NCM period was in different context with different ruling dispensation who wanted divide and rule and there are some fact which still is not in public domain now we are discussing then we are getting information about I had seen if u 1st or 2nd gen after partition they didn't aware about much about these while in case Godhra riots these issues get much representation in media and political space and atleast we need the truth what trigger and there is now or two version of these story but if u moplah riots every one had different perspective that's why we need to differentiate between both having said both have other consequences as well after Godhra riots no major riots happened in Gujarat but in case of Moplah Islamic doctrine was use and hindu muslim unity slowly decreased and further lead to partition.
So we need to look at context both were happened in different time and with different dispensation
COMPLETELY AGREE WITH SIR VIKRAM SAMPATH ...THESE WOUNDS HAVE NEVER HEALED SPECFICALLY THE GREAT SCAR OF PARTITION OF OUR MOTHERLAND CANT BE SIMPLY FORGOTTEN . DR. THAROOR SEEMS TO BE DEFENSIVE IN TERMS OF OUR HISTORY AND BIASIS , CRAVING FOR COMPOSITE CULTURE ON THE EXPENSE OF ONE COMMUNITY ONLY .
Never saw Tharoor running away from a discussion with tail down. l think first time he met someone who can speak more fluently and with context.
Watch J deepak too..
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You much watch J Saideepak's debate with him.😂😂
Its mean you have missed Sai vs tharor.
See his discussion with Sai Deepak
No use trying to justify government previous at all costs
As for Raideep less said of him the better
there should be an option through which we can skip only rajdeep’s part
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Thats what I did, I kept skipping forward whenever he spoke.
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Rajdeep was trying hard to entice Vikram by throwing politics and extremist examples towards him. Shows how desperate they have become to keep their false narrative intact. Love the helplessness. :)
mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
@@shaitanknowsbest3822 Hi there. My opinion on this issue is that every religion or societal custom does need reforms from time to time. Most practices in religions are no cause for concern, but some really must be changed. The only issue is, that some religions are not open to these reforms and they are complacent in their ways. There are certain misogynistic verses in a few holy books that should be done away with, but under the fear of committing blasphemy, these verses haven't been removed yet. So unless the society makes a conscious effort to reform themselves, some sexist issues will remain. :D Hope this helps.
I enjoyed your comment very much!
@@asnm4380 Thank you!
@Khyalo Ki Duniya Umm Im not seeing your point here?
Only for Vikram Sampat Sir👏👏
Very well presented Dr. Sampath. You were very consistent and clear in your point of view about "truthifying" history while Dr. Tharoor's in the end, just took a balanced approach with a tinge of sly on the current government while his own party had indulged whitewashing the other side of history. That was just hypocritical of Dr. Tharoor. Nevertheless, overall a good discussion barring Sardesai's loonicasies.
Loonicasies.That's a wonderful word.
Well put.
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@@jayanthisrinivasan9055 mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
and Is marriage nacessary🙄
Rajdeep's bias is so out in the open that he can't even act unbiased despite best efforts.
mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
In the presence of mature, sophisticated and highly knowledgeable people like Dr. Sampth and Dr. Tharoor, Rajdeep's buffoonery gets especially irritating.
COULDN'T AGREE MORE.
Well said
Yes
Tharoor is Also Rajdeep with some more choice of words.
Both are colonial + G--haad wh!tew_sher garbage.
He is simply the arnab's copy..😑
I wasn't sure how someone can/ would be so articulate in front of Dr. Tharoor, listening to this entire discussion was such an eye-opener as a history lover. The entire credit goes to Vikram Sampat for his excellent presentation, the points put forth, and his entire poise was so attractive to not leave this conversation. However, we could have had Rahul Kanwal for this!
well in that case you ought to see your false idol and arguably the most dishonest intellectual of our time getting demolished by J Sai Deepak in a book launch event and discussion. You can find the discussion on Tharoor's youtube channel.
Shashi Tharoor is a White Indian trying to be British
You should watch Shashi Tharoor's discussion with J Sai Deepak who completely demolished his arguments with his facts.
Dr Shashi Tharroor Honesty was questionable, it appeared he was trying to protect Nehru family and their wrong doings. Shahshi Tharoor may have protected Nehru family but he has lost voters today. Atleast I will never vote for a liar who conceals facts.
Rajdeep Sardesai is a clown and he comes out clearly a slave of Nehru family which is more and more evident. If Modi has got so much support today it is only because of liar media which hunting Modi and due to total distrust in congress party. Nehru and his family has been authoritarian and followed cancel culture from the very beginning even before independence. If he was not appointed by British he would have never become Prime Minister. Now we know where Rahul Gandhi gets this brains from.
Vikram Sampath in my view was fabulous he came out with his facts in an articulate manner despite the other two intimating him. Very impressive.
I , too, was about to mention j sai deepak and m happy seeing his popularity in comment section
2:1 and yet how gracefully he has conducted himself! Kudos Vikram Sampath 👏🏻
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Very true
Samita mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
Even I was thinking the same.
Vikram Sampath is sharp and to the point. Too good to hear him.
The debate was actually Shashi Tharoor Rajdip S. vrs Vikram Sampath sir
Vikram was still not making any good points
"If you are going to deny history
Future will deny you."
- Self-Obsessed
Vikram sampath 👍👍👍
how ? lol . just a typical ajay devgan dialogue ?
Future accepted Gandhi all over the world, not Savarkar.
@@Winston44567 bcs in history we have wrote about gandhi not about savarakar.
@@Liberty55555 o 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@@Liberty55555 whatever but this Quote is true if you deny the Human History
From African caves to Moon,Mars and Evolution of Humankind
A Dark Future is ready for You
Vikram Sampath is very right when he says "For the kids in school the story of her country is shown as a third person as of it belongs to some other nation" I always thought about it whenever I reflected back on the history I studied in school (NCERT) It clearly created my thought process that "British were good for India & Mughals were even better" simply based on the information in the textbooks glorifying British (indirectly) and Mughals Directly as well as most of the teachers doing the same. Later on in life I found out about the reality and about the barrage of misinformation it was I was shocked & felt sad for the younger ones still studying the same misinformation in Schools. So proud of Vikram Sampath for shedding some light of truth about our "Pyara Bharat" & giving a befitting reply to the "Brown Angrez" monopoly in the country and creating a bright hope for future generations.
Yes as Vikram said make peace with the past. Not bury it under the mat.
Exactly... The glorification and demonization of certain characters and the language used in the NCERT books really caught my attention... I would think about why was this so... But I am 19 now, I have Twitter and I now know why.... J Sai Deepak and Rajiv Malhotra first opened my eyes✨🙏🏻 VERY GRATEFUL!
@@ayushnair3587 they are more patriotic than the so called secular Hindus in our country
Thank god it's not a monopoly anymore.
But have to stay awake and united, if we want it to stay that way
i mean the icse text book says things just as they were
Rajdeep isn't capable of holding these kind of debates.This isn't political mumbo jumbo where you can get away with doing dalali.
History thrives on facts which is not Raju's forte.
Yeah that's what I thought throughout the session. What is this joker doing here, trying to sound intelligent.
Yes true
Yeah Arnab should've been there instead!!! who can forget his so called facts about being attacked near CM's house while covering Gujarat riots!!
Absolutely the likes of Rajdeep are not qualified to moderate such debates! In fact it would been a much better debate if Rajdeep was not there!
@@ThisisAnant93 Well, Arnab is not hosting here, so your comment is of no relevance.
What an eloquent speaker, Dr.Sampath! You can see in his dialogues that he truly has no political motivations and honestly wants Indians to acknowledge their history, move on and build a better future. Dr.Tharoor, you have finally met your match :) let's not forget that the reason why history is getting politicised today is because as Dr.Sampath says, we haven't had closure. Even German students learn in detail about the atrocities of Hitler and the holocaust, it only helps them to come at peace with their past and not hold it against anyone. And if you support denying the truth to Indians, you are only risking the future of this country further, from more grave polarisation or communalism. And if the history of my country has to rely on such shaky bandaids, then you're also underestimating the constitutional secularism. INDIA has always been a pluralistic country, we have always accepted people of other faith and differences. So trust your country with its true history!
Dr. Sampath needs to be heard more, this man knows what He us talking. Him and K.K. Mohammad sir both should do series of sessions on in Indian History historically and archeologically as well
Hey sir u can visit jaipur dialogues on TH-cam once for correct history.
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Vikram sampat is one of the most under rated personality of recent times.
He should be given the responsibility to rewrite history.
Just can't stop listening when he speaks . It's not just articulation but knowledge and sharpness.
Rajdeep Sardesai sounds like he has witnessed the Haldighati battle with his own ideological eyes 😀
Immense respect to Vikram Sampath 🙏
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😂 Rajdeep Sardesai needs to retire
Have you seen Haldighati. Have you read primary source
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This is exactly the kind of debate that we should have more of. Assertive, respectful and progressive.
If you life gives you a choice. Be classy as Vikram Sampath. Don't be shameless as Rajdeep 😂
Rajdeep desai is a true Muslim and his teachers and parents too who teach him false history. Rajdeep Desai is a pappu Chatu and today he is doing the same chatupana of Congress 🤑🤑
Or duplicit as the politician
Raju jesa toh bilkul nhi banna !
@@acediyartist9252 chatupana of congress😂😂
You folks are idiots.. he is asking questions .. that’s his job..
Sashi looks like the moderator
Rajdeep, speaking for the left.
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Shame on Sardesai style of journalism. He singlehandedly destroyed the reputation of India today conclave.
Yes, I completely agree. Someone of Sambit Patra's intellect should have been moderating this conversation.
@@FinanceUnlearn not much of a difference in this case
@@FinanceUnlearn No. My point is that he's doing a pathetic job of what's expected of him and I surely not wish to witness a shrewd politician doing the job of what an honest journalist should be doing (which this fellow is Not doing).
Sometimes I wonder how sardesai became journalist
@@thebatman0777 you have so much free time?
शानदार चर्चा🔥🔥🔥...इंडिया टुडे कॉन्क्लेव के आयोजकों को धन्यवाद l जिस तरह से दोनों (बुद्धिजीवियों) ने जवाब देने से पहले (बिना भटके) धैर्य के साथ एक-दूसरे की बात सुनी, वह बहुत सकारात्मक था और इतिहास को वर्णित करने के बारे में विक्रम जी का दृष्टिकोण थरूर जी की तुलना में काफी अधिक ठोस एवं संतोषजनक है।
An advice :-
Do Listen to these intellectual views , but be intelligent enough to have your own opinion.
we make our opinions basis what suits our existing opinions, but talking of relevancy or rationality we are with vikram sir.
@@akhilendrasuryavanshi9193 He is indeed an excellent orator with a very strong perspective.
@@theexamsmadesimple *Strong Facts
@@anilmishra5947 Facts are neither strong nor Weak....Fact is fact..
True, We need facts to have an opinion
Rajdeep is doing lot of talk like an actor than an anchor and his poor understanding of History and History writing is fully exposed
@Soham Kumar did bhagat singh confess that he was a communist but how can someone be Communist when he reads Arya samaj simultaneously
@Soham Kumar puch raha hun bhai kya bhagat singh ne bola tha woh communist hai?
@Soham Kumar but the same communists advertising him for influencing young people towards Communism
Pardon him, as Mukesh Ambani said don't take him seriously 😂
@@DEVAN133 😂😂😂
I have rarely seen tharoor being apologist in any interview to protect his party! Proud of you Vikram sampat! We need voices like you in international press debates representing India.
Exactly and for the first time I saw that Tharoor didn't have an answer when he was asked how he wants people to remember British colonization but doesn't want to remember August 14 or brutality of Mughals. It's not easy to win any argument against Tharoor.
You should also watch J Sai Deepak completely demolish Shashi Tharoor on his own book launch event… Dr. Tharoor was absolutely short on replies by questions and facts bombarded by JSD.
@@shrutiv8866 Tharoor is one of the few people in Indian politics, who can go against the idelogy of his own party and apologies for it's wrongdoings on stage. A clap for Mr. Tharoor as well.
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@@shrutiv8866 mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
Rajdeep needs to surrender his Indian citizenship, and spare us from further shame
As Vikram says, current govt needs to correct history asap. The opposition will shout from the rooftops.
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Opposition be like :- prepare for 2029 nothing will get in 2024
If Indian liberals and political party with agenda glorifying butcher like Tippu for their own benefit we should shy away calling them Desh drohi too...One who celebrate your country's destroyer can't be called a leader anyway.
should not*
@@vadirajt Thats the irony of this country. Vikram said that, "U have bakhtiyarpur town near ruins of Nalanda" Aint that amazing ? We R a "brainwashed Republic"
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N we praise "bharamans" even when it's a brahamab who asked Bakhtiyar to burn down the nalanda
Rajdeep is constantly exposing himself day by day by his stupidity.
This man Sardesai is insufferable. Baffles me, why would you put a guy like that in a debate like this?
Agree, what a greaseball. Just sits there with that shit eating grin on his face even when someone is openly confronting him
Well Pappu & his loyal 🐕 Dogs !!
Insufferable... thats the word.
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Nice to hear the unbeatable arguments of two brilliant minds.❤
It would have been a very productive discussion without Rajdeep's presence.
No, you're mistaken. Such clowns' presence is desirable to some extent.
Today’s Muslims who were Hindus sometimes in the past can’t be blamed and we are not blaming them but those who still feel proud about aurangajeb , those must be sent to Afghanistan
coz we tried 2 tell a history in such a way which glorifies them instead of telling what they were...
thats what whitewash do
Before that they were Buddhist. 🤷♂️
@@bennet79 Buddha also preached Dharma. Bhiddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Hinduism these are all Dharmic religions. Personally, I am ready to follow anyone or everything of these. I see no difference. It just depends on your perception of God. What you believe in. Sanatan Dharma allows one to be theist, monotheistic, atheist. Just follow Dharma and do the right thing.
@@bennet79 before british they all were one. In Nepal Buddhism is not considered as a separate religion.
@@bennet79 buddhisum arrived much more later. Yes lots of hindus converted to buddhisum, but later, bhagwaan adi shankaraachaary brought them back to sanatan vedic dharma!
Vikram sampath brilliant job, finally a smart intelligent spokesperson for India
11:13 can someone please tell me the name of this book
Dr. Sampath is so well read and articulate, really inspires me to work hard
Yes brother... Both Dr Sampath and Dr Tharoor are the gem. We must have facts on the table and learn from it. We must work for our great future❤️🇮🇳
@@Truthseeker7890 but shashi tharoor praises mughals who were just invaders and looters and genociders
Supporting such type of community is wrong
“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.”
― George Orwell
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And how to do that??
As the British, Indian Congress mugal bhaktihar kliji types did
@@satishkumarsajjan2132 go through the NCERT history books. You will get your answers
@@Krishnendu792 I went through it. But i couldn't extract the method. Can u please tell.
There's a difference between how a country stands and how a country runs which Tharoor needs to understand. Country runs by it's constitution but stands on a base provided by it's culture. No country stands on constitution; it only runs it.
Exactly Bhartiya sanskriti is much older than Khanchristution 🙄
well said bandhu
@@saloni2244 Good word. That should go into the dictionary as a synonym for pseudo seculars 👏😂
Absolutely. Cannot ignore Our great culture.
@@saloni2244 Brilliant!
Take a bow Vikram Sampath ji. You are giving voice to what we feel all the time as Bharatiya who can't even talk about their own historical atrocities openly just because it's not socially and politically correct and will upset few people. It's unfortunate.
Rajdeep is proud of his own bias and stupidity, like front bencher trying to impress the teacher, failing at it and being proud about it.
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What's wrong in impressing teacher. Arjuna,Karna,Eklavya did that.
@@ashishpatil30595 Nothing wrong, only hypocrisy of it.
Vikram and Shashi's comments are relevant and make sense in their own way. Rajdeep on the other hand has lost the plot in this debate.
The problem is little learning and taking an oath to be intellectual can be very harmful
To debate over such a vast subject like history, one has to read properly to be prepared. But he doesn't have that time as he wastes his entire time only to bash the govt.
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Vikram sampath kept smiling throughout the debate cz he was so confident with the facts he has under his belly, he answered every counter with grace & facts..
Good discussion! Mr.Vikram.Sampath is simply brilliant 👌🏻
Shashi's only prerequisite for attending this event was JSD's confirmed absence.
Who's JSD?
@@hardboiled_strings J S Deepak
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Dear India today, I sincerely request you to stop giving the mic to Rajdeep to host such insightful debates.
whenever Rajdeep opens his mouth ,he exposes his stupidness and idiotic ness and
He owned 30% share in india today group..
Yeah ,Rubika liyaqat is a better choice
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Golden sentence : India needs to reclaim her history from Delhi ....
India's true history must be told. Wholeheartedly agree with Dr. Vikram Sampath.
Mr. Tharoor seems to believe ignoring history will heal wounds of the past, but he fails to understand that it is this ignorance that is keeping those wounds fresh and not letting it heal.
Echos of the past always affect the future, and if the young population of India doesn't understand their true history then it is doomed to be repeated on them.
Vikram sampath destroys lefts with his smile & truth🙃✨
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J Sai Deepak destroys lefts with his unbeatable facts💥🦁
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Anand Ranganathan destroys lefts with his sarcasm😂😂
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Finally an intellectual in true sense of the word has come onto the scene. Government should commission Vikram Sampath to rewrite Indian history since invasion by Muslims. He is young and has ability to do this enormous task.
26:58 I agree with Shashi Tharoor on this that what muslims did 500 yrs ago should not be repaid by the now muslim population. But he always forget same point of view about Hindus. They have spent whole life demonising Hindu caste system (which is bad and fading quickly) of past and that sin is put on us (Now Hindus). This shouldn't be like that. Either both were wrong or both are right.
The irony of your statement. Caste is very much prevalent to this day, even your surname is testament to that.
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@@qwertyandjoe Caste is not attached to ones surname, it is ones thinking.
We are not asking Muslims to pay for what happened 500 years before. But it is happening even today. Yesterday too in Kerala.
@@qwertyandjoe so does atrocities of I$|amists. What happened to Sanjit of Kerala? What about Bhainsa, Kashmir, Noorpur, Murshidabad etc?
Rajdeep Sardesai should be thrown outside such events, he keeps interrupting.
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Dr Shashi Tharroor - Honesty was questionable, it appeared he was trying to protect Nehru family and their wrong doings. Shahshi Tharoor may have protected Nehru family but he has lost voters today. Atleast I will never vote for a liar who conceals facts.
Rajdeep Sardesai is a clown and he comes out clearly a slave of Nehru family which is more and more evident. If Modi has got so much support today it is only because of liar media witch hunting Modi and due to total distrust in congress party. Nehru and his family has been authoritarian and followed cancel culture from the very beginning even before independence. If he was not appointed by British he would have never become Prime Minister. Now we know where Rahul Gandhi gets this brains from.
Vikram Sampath in my view was fabulous he came out with his facts in an articulate manner despite the other two intimating him. Very impressive.
@@rjhaveri8bh let's talk business
@@lisaalfred8504 Prior to 1947 many partitions of India took place and much of the hindu lands were made into separate countries now (Most of them are now muslim counties like Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, but some Buddhist countries like Myanmar, Burma, Tibet (which was in 1950 occupied by china). Finally in 1946 East and west Pakistan was made by the british but east Pakistan later separated from Pakistan and became Bangladesh. (Both
Muslims majorty nations)
In 1947 neither Nehru nor Jinnah was elected by the people they were both appointed by the British.
In 1947, the British firstly partitioned India to create Pakistan in 1947 based on religion. India for 90% Hindus, Sikh population and Pakistan for only 8-9% Muslims population. But the land given to create Pakistan is 30% of India this was achieved via 30% reservation to Muslims in provisional elections.
But in 1947 the British decided to give 30% of India land was given to form Pakistan which was for the only 8-9% Muslims living in undivided India. In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So 10% of Muslims enjoyed a largely uninhabited Pakistan for muslims. Whereas my grand parents who were Hindu came to an over crowded India not knowing that 90% muslims will not leave the part created for hindus by the British. But this did not bother the British after all this was not their problem. But those 22% Hindus who stayed back in west Pakistan were killed/ converted / forced out by 1991 census their population was reduced to less then 2%. Same happened in east Paksitan hind or bangladesh Hindus were reduced from 29% to 6.5%.
In 1947, My Grand Parents were living in current day Pakistan but they were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindh over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. So my grand parents migrated to India as we were told this will be country for Hindus. But this was not the first time ours ancestors had already migrated 6 times earlier due to the Muslim Invasions of India from 10th century to 16th Century.
Indians were forced by the British to appoint a certain family favorable to the British hence Nehru was appointed ( not elected by Indians) as Prime minister of India. Till this date this family controls Indian congress party (who ruled India for 65 years since 1947). This family obliged the British to remain in power. Earlier this family had muslim ancestors later they pretended to be Hindu but now the daughter in law took over as head of congress party and she is Christian.
In Pakistan similarly Muslim league was caretakers but later Pakistan army done a coupe of constitutional leadership but they themselves became vassals of the Americans later.
Never forget it took 75 years of independence to get a verdict in favor of Ram Mandir. 65 years of that was under congress rule.
Because India was divided based on religion and India was made for Hindus. In 1951 when the constitution of India was drafted the British forced changes to the constitution of India via the Indian congress party to add clauses to protect rights of the minorities in India.
So the Constitution of India says that Minorities of India have right to practice own religion, and they are allowed to teach own religion texts like bible in schools where minorities are in majority. But the congress party later translated that Hindus cannot get these same rights as minority as constitution does not clarify that Hindu majority schools can teach hindu texts like bhagwad gita and vedas in hindu majorty schools. Hence till date Hindu majorty schools in India cannot teach Bhagwad Gita and Vedas but Muslim majorty school are allowed to teach quran and Christian majority schools allowed to teach bible. Actually now hindus in Muslim majorty school must learn quran and bible if they go to Christian majority schools should they opt for it else they can choose social science. But there is not such arrangement for Hindu majority schools.
Another thing that happened in 1951 is that Muslims who stayed back in India were not accepting universal law drafted for all Indians. So the congress party appointed Prime Minister Nehru allowed Muslims to follow partial sharia in India whereby they were allowed to marry 4 times but Hindus were denied this right despite their religious scripture do not require them to marry only once. As they were forced to accept universal law (renamed as Hindu code bill) which was universal code bill originally drafted for all Indians. Hindus who protested against this were shot dead. Hence no choice was left but for hindus to accept this. The impact of this was that the Hindu population which was 92% in 1946 changed over the years reduced o 76% and the muslim population in India increased from 8% to 24% but officially we are told muslim population is just 14% during last census.
The constitution of India further said that minorites can manage own religions institutions and NGOs. But since the constitution did not clarify this for the hindu majority the Hindu temples in India for the last 75 years are controlled by the state government. And since the government officers can be christian or muslim so any officers can be assigned responsibility to manage the security and treasury of the temples. Congress made sure anyone who protests will be dead and media never covered anything nobody will be left alive to tell his story. Hence in India you can find temples controlled by Muslim or Christian IAS officers of the govt but this is never the case with churches and mosques. As there is no govt control in constitution for minority institutions,
Since the govt controlled the treasury and security of the temples. they could at will withdraw money from temple treasury for the greater good of India and its minority welfare. many a times the money taken from treasury of temples was transferred to chief minister fund and then from there it was used for rice donations to Christians and Muslims during their festivals. This is why christian and muslims will only vote for congress party in India. Rice donation to minorities in billions of dollars made with temple funds. Very few news papers and media wrote about this
Teaching Sanskrit in schools was already stopped by British in 18 century and replaced with foreign language Persian and English made compulsory. As you know the only language Hindus can read vedas or religious scripts is Sanskrit so gradually children was forced to leave Sanskrit due to which Indians now cannot read from own religious scriptures' so now they depend on the translations made by Germans, British, American Sanskrit scholars. We dont have the means to challenge them even if these translations are fake and corrupt because we dont have research funding in India for Sanskrit. Very few people know Sanskrit in India, Nehru and his congress gave funding for persian, arabic, urdu but not for sanskrit. Now Nasa uses sanskrit but Indians dont use sanskrit. And because Sanskrit is not taught and we cannot read our scriptures most Hindus donot know that Hindu was the name given to us by our invaders it was never the name of our religion, Sanatan dharma is the real name. We dont know that caste is not in Sanatan Dharma but a Portuguese word and British who captured caste in their census documents on purpose to divide Indians. Till date you will see christians & muslims always talking about caste discriminations which are fake, as they were never part of hindu religion. Sati became a practice after islamic invasions.
During Islamic invasions girls would be kidnapped by Muslims so to avoid being kidnapped they would kill themselves in absence of any male family member alive to protect them. But the foreign wester writer wrote in their books that this was Hindu religious custom where as it was social solution social due to situation not part of religion. Such fake translations are constantly used in western media to demonize Hindus.
The history Indian books and school curriculum books are written to glorify islamic invasions/ donot tell us much about the persecutions by the British but they also ignore to teach us about many of the great hindu rulers of the past. Hindu history is taught with a purpose to create low esteem among Hindus. Our school curriculum books show Hindus and Brahmins in low light. Recently our school teachers are even started teaching us that Kashmir does not belong to India which is far far away from the truth.
Despite there is a Hindu majority in India it took us 75 years of court battle to get rights to a temple in India which was illegally occupied by Muslims and Hindus believed it to be birth place of one Hindu god but the case which was started before independence during British time they did not want the Hindus to have this temple so it was differed. This is because our Judiciary system still works they way British wanted them to work. It is not designed for justice but to keep Hindus deprived of justice. In 2019 the judment we have been waiting for a century finally came but we gave the muslims
In 1990 in Kashmir the Kashmiri Hindu pandits the original inhabitants whose ancestors lived in Kashmir more then 5000 years faced exodus at the hands of the muslims who came from outside but some sections our Indian media were justifying the genocide and exodus of Hindus saying it was because the the hindus were too educated and hence holding privileged jobs in Kashmir which deprived the muslims so the kashmiri muslims have every right to lynch them to death and do their exodus.
"Where were these virtues 25 years ago??" 🤜🤜
Sardesai quite obviously can't have a discussion without masala. He tried his best between Tharoor and Sampath to fight but that's the difference between intelligence and ignorance. Sampath and Tharoor have differing views but respect each other's perspective and to some extent understand why they hold those views and find them valid. On the other hand, Sardesai is your basic neighborhood aunty who just wants gossip and to witness fighting. No moderator was needed to be honest.
I could not have said it better. Rajdeep is not a good moderator. Period. Moderators typically ask probing questions, and let the experts share their views. Their class comes through in their silence. Rajdeep is instead a voluble, poorly informed man who loves his own voice. I am no way a right-winger (if at all, I am closer to the far left), but this man has roads to travel to become good in his profession.
Yes same I want to say
Good expression about sardesai
You can see right through Sardesai. Good expression
Burkha (tent) Dutt and Sardesai cannot moderate their village/municipal school debates!
Vikram sampath is such a genuine and humble person, he have proved that truth need not be shouted unlike the two who are trying hard to push theirs words. He should be appointed for checking the NCERT that is actually not showing the generation the real history of India and the glory or real heroes those given life for saving the culture.
@@arnabchaudhuri1212 No. That is your preconception speaking.
@@arnabchaudhuri1212 ahh yess, a jihadist at its finest
@@arnabchaudhuri1212 left intellectuals can barter anything for ideology as Russian spy Yuri Beznemov said they r useful idiots , they even fear to call 26/11 as isIamist attack rather assume it as rss ki saazish .
The whole continent is divided on lines of religion with Jinnah sweeping elections still left is in denial ki "koi to hoga musIim" jo ishwar alla tero naam gaayega ".
Twitter utha lo ye jo Arfa Rana Sayema Saba kisi ne bhi APJ Kalam sir ki aniversary pe wish nhi kiya he was nationalist and a native muslim which will in opposite of those whom the want to project .
Absolutely correct my sis 🙏
@@arnabchaudhuri1212 History is what is not taught and yes propaganda of hindutva whats that, actually a thought made by the people who actually can not stand as a sanatni, that is fine with us no worries bro, you are thinking your way out and we are not judging even 😜, and about the old religious things what you want to say about shariya then?? Does that work on today's science??
P.S -:science and tech people are also human.
Tharoor wants wounds to heal while butchers are immortalised and glorified. The conquerored is asked to accept it and ‘heal’.
That’s what Democrats do in every country. They clean up Islamic shit and encourage mainstream population to ingest it. Gandhi was an epitome of that philosophy. The butchers remain what the book teaches them 5x a day.
He also said that every voice of historians should be heard and let ppl have their own opinion.
Infact every country has undergone invasion but no one keeps reminding that and use that as an excuse for failing to work.
The supposed generation of the invaders are not responsible of what happened in the past. We are no more in kingdom rulers, it’s democratic
@@rafag8574 what do you mean by “supposed generation of invaders”? How many Islamic countries (countries with state religion declared as Islam) are democratic? There are more than 50 of those, right? What has changed for women in those countries? The biggest of Islamic countries with the religious hub doesn’t even allow it’s women to drive?
@@rafag8574 have you heard about “Islam republic of Pakistan “ ?
Yes thats what makes those countries sick and no one wants to live there. Our country Muslims are Indians and they don't belong to Islamic countries. They have citizenship here
It was not Shashi Tharoor vs Vikram Sampath, it was Vikram Sampath vs Rajdeep Sardesai. Still Vikram defeated both of them 😅
Exactly
I seriously respect people who sit besides Rajdeep and control themselves to not punch him in the face..what a shameless man..even Tharoor is not defending the propaganda of his party as much as Rajdeep is doing.
Tharoor might move to BJP soon
😁 really
@@sureshpolali4616 Tharoor will never be accepted in BJP by any 'karyakarta'. Mark my words.
@@sureshpolali4616 no.
@@sureshpolali4616 he's a colonial sepoy, he can't betray his masters in London like that
Vikram Sampath was mesmerizing and his words as pure as nectar. The youth and adult of India have been starving for this kind of clarity in thoughts since Independence. Shashi Tharoor ji again trying to convey to the audience that he is so honest hence, he is with the crooked group just to show them the right way and Rajdeep still trying to find the right way.
Israel can choose to forget history but, it's neighbours will not.
shimonPeres may never have told anything of that sort to shashitharoor...he can easily get away with lies... catch someone of that stature sharing his mind with the likes of tharoor...who was he afterall...wrt any Israeli head of state...
Vikram Sampath's clarity of thought is amazing. And he has actually raised the real issue that no one addressed. Social peace cannot be brought until the past crimes have been addressed and made peace with. Its not like the past wounds had healed. It's just we didn't know that there were these wounds. Now that people want to talk about it, suddenly, you are saying why now. It's a political agenda etc. etc.
Rajdeep kept trying that the two get into a heated debate.
But these are two learned men and they both agreed with each other.
Respect for other views ....what a nice healthy debate.
This is the idea of India
Very true
At the end it was only Rajdeep who got heated while failing to make others get the same
Yes, I completely agree. Someone of Sambit Patra's intellect should have been moderating this conversation.
I agree to you totally except the first line. Rajdeep infact posed difficult qs to both of them which is the job of a journo. But the beauty is that both of them finally converged at the same point. that was so heartening to see.
@@FinanceUnlearn wow u just dropped the level to brand new
We need more intellectual people like Dr. Vikram Sampath sir to bring out information on our history.
there are like j sai deepak, harsh gupta, rajiv malhotra, anand rangnathan, etc.
If Tharoor had faced such brilliant arguments in his prime days , he'd never had been the 'expert' he is made out to be today.
Precisely
Sorry honey,out of all 3 speakers that spoken in this debate, Shashi Taroor's approach is going to be bring higher net positive in term of democratic society,financial and story that India will tells to itself and other countries.By getting cheap debate scores like Taroor said talking about damages of the past and encourage hand pointing even worse discrimination or massacre or policy change based on the past being the catalyst will do no good for current India.Like Vikram said truthtify history but like Shashi said forgive but not forget.Our today's problem is gonna be larger and universal like global warming and water crisis which threaten the needs of a voter not wants or desires.The racism and hatred against Muslims and need to uphold hinduism and the support you all cast fort it only goes to show that you do not respect the Indian constituion that you forefathers attain and upheld with courage despite having witnessed their own people being displaced,torched and murdered with their own eyes.As many nation's citizens on this planet leading towards idealism,thanks to social media exposure comprised with world citizens giving inputs for the betterment of humanity as a whole,it is right to say that India should accelerate its acknowledgement of it's history,be a part of modern society and more importantly plan a better future for it's own sake.
@@visaAVTS You seem to be a classic case of a brainwashed youth in school and college via NCERTs and other audio-visual media. Tell me ine example of 'hate against muslims' or imposing Hindutva on others. FYI, hindutva is a way and philosophy of life according to supreme court, not that it required SC's validation but there it is. If you think calling out radical islamic jihadis in the open, making them bow down to law and making the younger generation aware of iur glorious past and historical achievements in science, philosophy, medicine, public administration, Political science, democracy et al 'imposition of hindutva' so be it. I can only pity your mindset. In a desperate attempt to come across as 'modern' and 'secular' you are wllillingly ( or may be you are afraid ) to whitewash so many atrocities conducted upon the non-muslims and even muslims of the country in the past in so many ways ! That's strange to say the least. And when the correct narrative was brought out in the open by scholars like Vikrama and J Sai Deepak and so many intellegent others, they were immidiately targeted by the so-called 'intellectuals' for no reason. Clearly they can't stand on their own in a debate as it was crystal clear here in case of Tharoor, a convict no less pending full investigation, so they propogate false narrative employing the same ecosystem they have developed over 70 years by the crooked money they looted and scammed. You think calling out past injustices is wrong ? Lol, you are some character my friend. The root cause lies in the fundamentals of islamic philosophy, unless that is reformed no culture or education or anything can bring substantial change. Have you not seen 'educated and wealthy' muslims in UK and elsewhere calling out for death of democracy ? Or demanding beheading for whosoever leaves islam ? These should not be called out in the open acc. to you bcos it may create a hostile environment ? Educate yourself first honey and then put your arguments.
As far as constitution is concerned, Indira gandhi declaring emergency was upholding cinstitution, right ? Scams in lakhs of crores was upholding the constitution, right ? Cons like this Tharoor attract folks like you just bcos he speaks fine english and wears a Rolex. The reason is bcos you are still colonized in your mind.
Watch Tharoor's debate with the legendary Christopher Hitchens. He was exposed, only the video didn't go viral
@@visaAVTS Islam isn't a Race. You are preaching baloney using all sorts of whataboutery to divert the issue of the topic. Tharoor is a fraud because he himself is guilty on regularly hating on the British in both his books and speeches. So it's not really about Forgive. Tharoor is desperate to sustain the Marxist Jihadist Mythology where Gandhi is Jesus, Savarkar is Satan, Godse is like jews, Brits are Pagans. Stop shamelessly inverting reality. Muslims are the most racist and oppressive people who continuall6 commit crimes against humanity and embody hatred. You seem to be welfare-baiting prospective abdools into bs. His own party hates on Hindus regularly on fictional Aryan Invasion that never happened, polemical attacks on so called Hindu Casteism, celebrates festivals for Ravan and Mahishashur after demonizing hating on Hindus gods etc. And shut in on climate outrage, Muslims of Middle East continue to be worst polluters
Vikram sir, got goosebumps while hearing to your speech. Need to read your book and that is the priority for me now
lol which point was giving you goosebumps? hahah
The edifice of national unity or social cohesion cannot stand on the shaky foundations of whitewashed history... goosebumps!
More power to you, Vikram Sampath !
My thumb's up only for Dr.Sampath for presenting bare history with crystal clarity that too in front of such a biased moderator ! Kudos🙏
mam, may i know your prepective...on how religions affect women empowerment...and should religions change with time 🙏😌
and Is marriage nacessary🙄
Kudos to Dr. Vikram Sampath for handling the debate questions from both Sashi Taroor and Rajdeep with truth, patience and respect.. The two elder’s prejudiced state on the whole issue and not just accepting to understand why correcting the History of India is needed without any political view, minority views.. Wish Vikram all good luck in this Experiment of Truth to bring out the greatness of Bharath! Jai Hind!
A history of truths author is vikra m the other two are subverting the truths the most dangerous one editor India today (most dangerous one )
One should never forget your past. I can make peace with it and try everything to avoid any misdeeds in future.