Let's address some comments: Some comments about the phone synchronizing with other devices when you swipe away the notification - that may be but it doesn't explain why when you go into settings, or when you enable/ disable something, there are DNS lookups. Why should any data leave your phone? Some comments about the fact that Apple is understanding how you use your phone....eh...why? Excuse me, but this is my device. I paid for it. I disabled any telemetry and diagnostics. So what you are saying is that its ok for them to spy on how you use your device "in order to make it a better experience" Hell no! Why should I be their testing subject to collect data? They have UX (user experience) teams that get paid for this. I don't know about you, but I never received a check. Some comments about the fact that who cares if they get your phone usage - how about no?! What happens if you get into a car accident and the insurance company refuses to pay because they got data from your phone showing you were driving 20MPH over the speed limit? Do you care now? The bottom line is simple (and for those who missed the entire point because you were furious that your dear iPhone isn't perfect): You have a device that you use every day and everywhere and you have ZERO idea what goes on without your knowledge behind the scene as your phone constantly communicates with servers. Yes, some of the communication is to keep the phone working and some of the data is known data like downloading emails. But what about all the other connections that are being made? AND these are ONLY DNS. And when you install apps, this becomes exponentially worse as let's be honest, most people don't use just the standard apps that come with the phone. So stop trying to justify how this is fine. It is not. Its your private data that you are giving over on a device that you paid for to use a service you pay for. How is this right?
How can we install Pie-Hole on the iPhone? Their website says we have to use another operating system (not ios), so Im confused how to do so. thank you so much for all your amazing info on your channel :)
yep, it goes through icloud/apple servers to dismiss the notifications across all your other devices as well. I really don't have an issue with apple's tracking compared to google's. Google tracks your entire device AND every website you visit, on AND off your device if you choose to use chrome as your browser of choice. Apple doesn't have that level of omniprescence across the internet and devices like google has.
apple tracks notification information because they eventually make suggestions to their users whether they should move the notification to ‘scheduled notification’ to avoid distractions if an app is sending a lot of notifications and the user is simply dismissing them all the time … I have ADHD and personally find this suggestion really helpful because notifications overwhelm me sometimes and I forget that I can set them to be shown to me only at a time on my choosing. So, I actually really appreciate this feature from Apple. And it’s the little quality of life things like these that keep me with Apple. it’s kind of similar to gmail suggesting you to unsubscribe from an email newsletter if you tend to never open and read them.
I own Little Snitch on Mac, and it does protect against many garbage connections. But a lot of things it tries to block actually disrupt the Mac's normal operation.
The bottom line is that as long as you use a phone that requires a login account that identifies you to work you will have no privacy on your phone. This applies to both Android and Apple. It doesn't matter what 'privacy' stuff that Android or Apple say they have on their phones, your identity and usage is NOT PRIVATE FROM THEM. They'll hide your activities from third parties, but not from themselves. The only way out of this is to use a phone that works without a personally identified account - which has your real name, address, date of birth. This is impossible to do on an Apple phone - Apple phones can't work without an account. Privacy can be done on some Android phones if you get one that has an OS that is based on the Android Open Source Project, which has no personal account and no Google tracking software and no Google aps, so you can preserve your privacy from being personally identified. There are some OS that are based on ASOP, such as Lineage OS and Graphene OS.
This video was OUTSTANDING and SPECIFIC as to what apps are watching us! You know...I never thought about my tablets (which is what I use far more than my mobile phones) benefiting from my PiHole! My system is better than I thought. From THIS video...I'm relieved that I stopped even using Facebook apps, and I never used any Amazon apps. I'm glad I'm NOT fun or interesting, so I have no difficulty leaving my mobile phones at home. That probably helps me, too. However... One thing I've always wanted someone to test was this: when a person turns off "Find My iPhone" or "Find My Device" or that kind of thing...does the phone/tablet/whatever ACTUALLY STOP pinging the Apple or Android "Find MY..." BLE mesh networks? We all know that these networks receive pings via BLE without even needing wi-fi or a cell connection. It sounds like "they" always "know" where are devices are and what they're doing. Is there a way for anyone to hear and identify one's OWN BLE signal from one's OWN device to find out whether it's on or not? This, as you know better than I, sounds like a very difficult thing to actually do. I have no idea how to do it. So...this is a BIG "ask." Perhaps you know resources and whom to ask about this. Meanwhile...you, your audience and I continue to stuff devices we aren't actively using into Faraday bags for our peace of mind. Mahalo for a really thought-provoking video! Much aloha to you.
I was thinking of that too and seeing how GrapheneOS works... To install Pi-Hole can be complicated if you are not familiar with Linux or Docker, which is why I haven't done it. It can get complicated quickly, but I do see tutorials on TH-cam which you can follow.
A really good thing to do, is to setup Pi-Hole on a Raspberry Pi (any RP works) and connect it via an Ethernet cable to your home router. Then setup PiVPN on that very RP and connect your devices to that PiVPN via WireGuard. Now you have just built your own ad blocker and self-hosted VPN. If you go outside, even on a different country, your device's IP will always show as if you are still at home, thus taking advantage of the Pi-Hole's ad blocking capabilities even outside your home network.
@@karunasagarprusty9526 I remember when we were allowed the explore the hidden .face folder in Android.. They were just a list of random file numbers until you renamed them with either a .jpg or .png extension at the end, then you could see how Android was collecting face data.. (Even a magazine cover with a face on it from the background of a photo was included.) True stuff.. We aren't allowed to explore that folder anymore as it requires Root permission now. 🙂
@@LironSegev Hi Liron, not sure if you covered the hidden .face folder we used to be able to access on Android in my reply below..? 🙂 Anyways thanks for bringing all this stuff to the public, knowing is a continual quest. 😊
no panic - most of Apple‘s (Finder, etc) and third-party app‘s connections to Apple Inc.‘s servers are icloud-related app sync or e.g. location-based services or messaging (e.g. web api updates by phone sensors and/or internet servers, for instance, a mail server update announcing new incoming mail…) We live in modern times, and though the sheer volume of connections via dns only might be shocking for end-users, it definitely isn‘t for developers. Social media and e-commerce apps are also very telemetry-heavy, to which you gave legal consent when accepting their respective usage terms… let alone those from Apple various device OS‘s. It‘s ‚conditio sine qua non‘ - means mobile sevices are simply not happening without its precondition.
So seems almost all the connections an iPhone makes (without 3rd party apps installed) are to Apple websites (for providing services etc.). From setting up a new iPhone I guess you can turn off things like analytics, personalised ads, etc. to reduce this traffic?
these are only DNS queries - why would Apple need to know when you swipe away notification? What would they need to know when you go into a setting? Yes of course some are to provide the service . But on a brand new setup with nothing installed there is no reason for so many queries to be made so often.
@@LironSegev Because swiping notifications is synchronized with other devices like MacBook. You can get notifications from iPhones on the latest version of macOS.
Watching you're videos always puts us on the right track. I feel that whenever we are dealing with the internet. Privacy is out of our hands. Yes, we can do some things that can help keep our information safe. But it's still not enough. Your videos are so much appreciated. Thank you for sharing.
Great video. One thing I would be interested to see is how much tracking is going on AFTER going into the privacy and security settings and turning off the tracking and location services. I did not see this being done here in the video.
9:29 Just going through the Settings page and the iPhone triggering network requests: Maybe the "Send usage and diagnostics "being turned on Apple is tracking user usage pattern and how long they stay on which part of the OS. Just a theory!
Also, some apps (maybe iOS/Android too?) might not be as agreeable with the DNS settings as ypu might think. I have an solar inverter (Growatt) and the Shinelink still uses its own hardcoded DNS server even though you could set a DNS server manually in the device. It still connects to an Chineese IP for some dns translations. So you have to configure your firewall that all outgoing connections to port 53 are redirected back to your pi-hole/adguard if you want to see those.
dude, if its a fully fresh iphone, there are a lot of analytic and data sharing settings turned on automatically. everyone turns those off. do a test with those settings off, then retry please. thankyou
These videos are great when it comes to information as well should be on the news ie main stream media so people can protect themselves more so the ones who are not tech savy.
Could be and good thinking. But that doesn't explain why when you just go into your settings on your phone it communicates with Apple. That doesn't sync with anything...
In the Settings and Privacy and Security section of the iPhone there is a Transparency Report section. I am curious if Apple’s report matches up with the data you are seeing from your RaspberryPi.
only looked at DNS and if you use a web browser to log into anything, you are still being tracked via the browser (but it will have less info than with a fully installed app)
I'm pretty sure that the connections when you change settings is to save the new setting in icloud. I see you are logged into icloud during this test, apple backs up all your settings to icloud so you can restore from icloud. I would like to see the same test if you don't log into icloud.
Excellent video, great investigation.The spurious data is for R&D, it’s not monetised or shared. The manufacturers have done this for years. The social media apps suck as much personal data as legally possible. So many TH-camrs say turn off manufacturers settings but they are using the data to develop your next dream handset.
there no question that they need data to make the apps work and of course to analyze behavior and usage etc. But there is an overreach of just how much is tracked. I am not aware of any audits done to ensure that this data remains internal but I suppose they just point to the Terms and Conditions and I am sure its in there that we agree to let them use the data...
Thank You Liron. I suspected phones will always find ways to track no matter what apps or sites are being used. At the moment you are correct that VPN's is the only tool we can use to block tracking apps and sites and even Hidden tracking codes behind a photo, Link, audio file. Im sure that will be a video you will be covering one day. Its absolutely terrible that these companies track us all. There is not one ounce of privacy anymore. I wonder if those companies are being tracked?
A lot of these connections are for caching information from the services (like itunes, music, news, stocks, findmy, icloud, appstore etc), to provide a ‘snappy’ user-experience. Others are to sync information from icloud like (your other devices(like your other iphones, watches, airpods, homepods, macs, macbooks, ipads that you’re logged in with your icloud) contacts, photos, calendar, reminders, notes, saved maps favorite locations, saved maps favorite routes, settings, files etc). Finally there is some telemetry data (splunk-nec) for apple to know how they’re doing with their sync and to detect service degradation issues on their end and to figure out if you’re a customer with slower internet connection or fast internet connection. This is tracked because Apple does a staggered auto-updates (if auto-updates are enabled) and this helps them determine what the best day and time would be to push an update to your phone.
I wonder if the strange Settings tracking 9:35 has anything to do with handoff? I think it said it uses your iCloud account, so you can pick up where you left off, on other Apple devices. if you turn handoff off, does it stop?
I think most of those connections are for data analysis, telling Apple, Google and partner companies how you operate your device to build up trends of user behaviour. 🙂
they are overreaching - why should they know that you go into the setting menu? Also remember these are only DNS, so other connections that are made (for analysis) that dont use DNS but direct IP connections are not shown. Also, should they be allowed deeply analyze how you operate your device? Yes, there is value for Apple, but what do they do with that data? For eg: how comfortable are you knowing that Apple knows you are driving at 50Mph and swiped away your notification? maybe you are fine with it, but what if they sell that to your insurance company and then you have an accident. They use this data not to pay you. How comfortable are you now with this info being sold?
Makes me wonder if we didn’t have all these phones - would the people working in big tech be professional stalkers for a living? Maybe they should get over their parents divorce and or mommy & daddy issues
So who looks at these connections? Does it matter? A government computer, CIA, etc? In any case, Big Brother, knows who you are, where you are and what you are doing (on your computer).
Great video but the difference is that Apple is not selling your data to data brokers like google does. Also if you have analytics on for iphone this could be why changing embedded settings make a network call
Apple is selling data, Apple has never denied selling data. It just claims that it does not sell data related to your own personal name or device. That’s easy to bypass if any email (or volumes of other items) ever is linked back to you.
Funny how we pay for these devices that give away our data. They should be paying me to use the device. All this data traffic uses MY data that I PAY for. Great video!
Nope It is not your data once it leaves the device. That goes all the way back to the ole phone book at copper POTS lines, and also first wireless lines. Read the laws (still applicable today) about there is not reasonable expectation of any level of privacy
Does your pixel turn stuff back on in the background… Ie ( I turn off background data or cell ) it turns itself back on each time I turn around . My iPhone doesn’t do this pixel 8a I am asking about . Much appreciated the response . Thanks again man.
If pi hole server meant to block ads is that why the why the iPhone is making query? Why is the iPhone making all those queries. Or this is just FUD to get hits.
Pi-hole has a list of known sites that it uses to check if they are ad servers. Pi-hole isn't making any queries, the phone is making the DNS queries. What see is that the known sites are blocked but pi-hole is and server so what it doesn't know it lets through. As I said, we have very little documentation on what those domains are let alone what they do so these are not on its list. You can manually add those sites to be blocked but then your apps won't work. So the entire point is that your phone talks to servers constantly sending data. Why? Besides making the app work, what else is it sending? What is the data used for? We have no idea.
@LironSegev I think TH-cam is blocking my reply because I replied but I don't see it so I will need to find a way to reply to you what do you suggest I do
If every settings on an iphone is linked with trigging some particular connection then how easy is it for Apple to get a full picture of how we used our phone. How convenient. 😮 Great video as always.
I was kinda horrified so I ran that multiple times on various days randomly to make and it did trigger. I have no way to verify if this is what they are doing but it certainly is strange.... And of course thanks for watching 🔥
You'f love to know what your mobile carrier tracks about your usage patterns. I'd trust Apple with my data versus a lot of other companies out there. There is no escaping telemetry and tracking today unless you turn your devices off and leave them unplugged. Also get some tin-foil for a hat and find a big rock to live under. WHO CARES. And by the way you are using Google for your DNS on unencrypted port 53? Really? ... And you are concerned about Apple? Bahahahahaha ...
Where does one begin... Yes your carrier tracks a lot of telemetry at a transport level vs their main focus being at the app level m Not sure what DNS you are talking about since this literally is my own DNS being pi-hole. I removed the default one as you saw. So no idea WTF you are on about. And again, the question is why should Apple or any company get any data for something you do on the device? The usual response is tin foil hat and who cares. Ok l. But what if your device logs that you watched social media while the car was driving at 50mph and then had an accident. And what if that data was sold to the insurance company. And what if they used that to refuse to pay you? Oh that never happens right? Actually is did and does. Loads of cases where this data was used as supporting evidence. But please go on and tell me how this doesn't matter and privacy is dead and the usual blah blah. K bye
@CedroCron that is after it leaves pi-hole. The point of this video was just to show the DNS entries made by the phone. I don't care about the end destination which is why pi-hole isn't set up. This wasn't a video showing how to secure your DNS traffic
And you skip the part about apple ecosystem, that is half of the apple queries. Are all queries legit?, No. But at the same time you are not researching all the queries and that is somewhat misleading on the numbers. I enjoyed some of your videos, But become disinterested when it is only a snippet of the whole picture.
It's simple; why should Apple get anything when you swipe away a notification on your phone just because you are part of their ecosystem? I don't care what ecosystem you are in, there is zero reason for anything you do on the device that doesn't impact anything on the Apple side and yet it still connects to it. You don't think that's a problem? You don't think that companies are overreaching by knowing what everything you do?
yeah, but mainly to enable certain services for chinese iphone users. If you are located somewhere in the US or Europe or many other countries, there is very unlikely anything to worry about.
Let's address some comments:
Some comments about the phone synchronizing with other devices when you swipe away the notification - that may be but it doesn't explain why when you go into settings, or when you enable/ disable something, there are DNS lookups. Why should any data leave your phone?
Some comments about the fact that Apple is understanding how you use your phone....eh...why? Excuse me, but this is my device. I paid for it. I disabled any telemetry and diagnostics. So what you are saying is that its ok for them to spy on how you use your device "in order to make it a better experience"
Hell no!
Why should I be their testing subject to collect data? They have UX (user experience) teams that get paid for this. I don't know about you, but I never received a check.
Some comments about the fact that who cares if they get your phone usage - how about no?!
What happens if you get into a car accident and the insurance company refuses to pay because they got data from your phone showing you were driving 20MPH over the speed limit? Do you care now?
The bottom line is simple (and for those who missed the entire point because you were furious that your dear iPhone isn't perfect): You have a device that you use every day and everywhere and you have ZERO idea what goes on without your knowledge behind the scene as your phone constantly communicates with servers. Yes, some of the communication is to keep the phone working and some of the data is known data like downloading emails. But what about all the other connections that are being made? AND these are ONLY DNS.
And when you install apps, this becomes exponentially worse as let's be honest, most people don't use just the standard apps that come with the phone.
So stop trying to justify how this is fine. It is not. Its your private data that you are giving over on a device that you paid for to use a service you pay for.
How is this right?
How can we install Pie-Hole on the iPhone? Their website says we have to use another operating system (not ios), so Im confused how to do so. thank you so much for all your amazing info on your channel :)
Not surprised in the least. Great video.
pretty much....
dismissing notifications syncs to mac/other ecosystem things, a lot of the connections are probably relating to that
yep, it goes through icloud/apple servers to dismiss the notifications across all your other devices as well. I really don't have an issue with apple's tracking compared to google's. Google tracks your entire device AND every website you visit, on AND off your device if you choose to use chrome as your browser of choice. Apple doesn't have that level of omniprescence across the internet and devices like google has.
@casualintrovert207 you should really read the terms and conditions that you signed up for when you created your Apple account
I use browsers for TH-cam and Facebook, the apps are basically spyware and riddled with ads.
true - just dont forget that as I said, even with websites you are still tracked
@@LironSegevNot if you use a VPN + a FireFox Browser Fork (Floorp/WaterFox), uBlock Origin Dev version and Privacy Badger.
The websites are still riddled with trackers
I need to use Pi-hole to block Google ads on Roku.
apple tracks notification information because they eventually make suggestions to their users whether they should move the notification to ‘scheduled notification’ to avoid distractions if an app is sending a lot of notifications and the user is simply dismissing them all the time … I have ADHD and personally find this suggestion really helpful because notifications overwhelm me sometimes and I forget that I can set them to be shown to me only at a time on my choosing. So, I actually really appreciate this feature from Apple. And it’s the little quality of life things like these that keep me with Apple.
it’s kind of similar to gmail suggesting you to unsubscribe from an email newsletter if you tend to never open and read them.
I own Little Snitch on Mac, and it does protect against many garbage connections. But a lot of things it tries to block actually disrupt the Mac's normal operation.
You are awesome. Thank you for your hard work and much appreciated information. Great video.
Appreciate you being here 🔥
The bottom line is that as long as you use a phone that requires a login account that identifies you to work you will have no privacy on your phone. This applies to both Android and Apple. It doesn't matter what 'privacy' stuff that Android or Apple say they have on their phones, your identity and usage is NOT PRIVATE FROM THEM. They'll hide your activities from third parties, but not from themselves. The only way out of this is to use a phone that works without a personally identified account - which has your real name, address, date of birth. This is impossible to do on an Apple phone - Apple phones can't work without an account. Privacy can be done on some Android phones if you get one that has an OS that is based on the Android Open Source Project, which has no personal account and no Google tracking software and no Google aps, so you can preserve your privacy from being personally identified. There are some OS that are based on ASOP, such as Lineage OS and Graphene OS.
pretty much
What should I test next?
Hi Liron... Could you please make a video about installingen Pi-hole? and what will require... Anyway thank you for all your videos. So Let's Go! ;o)
This video was OUTSTANDING and SPECIFIC as to what apps are watching us!
You know...I never thought about my tablets (which is what I use far more than my mobile phones) benefiting from my PiHole! My system is better than I thought.
From THIS video...I'm relieved that I stopped even using Facebook apps, and I never used any Amazon apps.
I'm glad I'm NOT fun or interesting, so I have no difficulty leaving my mobile phones at home. That probably helps me, too.
However...
One thing I've always wanted someone to test was this: when a person turns off "Find My iPhone" or "Find My Device" or that kind of thing...does the phone/tablet/whatever ACTUALLY STOP pinging the Apple or Android "Find MY..." BLE mesh networks?
We all know that these networks receive pings via BLE without even needing wi-fi or a cell connection. It sounds like "they" always "know" where are devices are and what they're doing.
Is there a way for anyone to hear and identify one's OWN BLE signal from one's OWN device to find out whether it's on or not?
This, as you know better than I, sounds like a very difficult thing to actually do. I have no idea how to do it. So...this is a BIG "ask." Perhaps you know resources and whom to ask about this.
Meanwhile...you, your audience and I continue to stuff devices we aren't actively using into Faraday bags for our peace of mind.
Mahalo for a really thought-provoking video! Much aloha to you.
Would be nice to see a review of GrapheneOS and tracking compared it to Android and iPhone.
I was thinking of that too and seeing how GrapheneOS works...
To install Pi-Hole can be complicated if you are not familiar with Linux or Docker, which is why I haven't done it. It can get complicated quickly, but I do see tutorials on TH-cam which you can follow.
@@phylnn As a Pixel 6a user running GrapheneOS, I thoroughly second your motion! An excellent suggestion!
Thank you, Liron! I appreciate your content and your explanations are clear and concise, so helpful to a non-techy grandma 😊
Happy to hear that!
A really good thing to do, is to setup Pi-Hole on a Raspberry Pi (any RP works) and connect it via an Ethernet cable to your home router.
Then setup PiVPN on that very RP and connect your devices to that PiVPN via WireGuard.
Now you have just built your own ad blocker and self-hosted VPN. If you go outside, even on a different country, your device's IP will always show as if you are still at home, thus taking advantage of the Pi-Hole's ad blocking capabilities even outside your home network.
@@HeraldKros Yeah, that works great, I’ve used Tailscale for that. Based on wireguard as well
Thank you for following up with this information regarding Apples iPhone and answering the question regarding deleting apps. You are appreciated.
You should try with the files app of the iPhone.
I have heard in macs your interactions with the finder app also sent to apple.
I don't have a Mac so I couldnt test that
@@karunasagarprusty9526
I remember when we were allowed the explore the hidden .face folder in Android..
They were just a list of random file numbers until you renamed them with either a .jpg or .png extension at the end, then you could see how Android was collecting face data..
(Even a magazine cover with a face on it from the background of a photo was included.) True stuff.. We aren't allowed to explore that folder anymore as it requires Root permission now. 🙂
@@LironSegev Hi Liron, not sure if you covered the hidden .face folder we used to be able to access on Android in my reply below..? 🙂
Anyways thanks for bringing all this stuff to the public, knowing is a continual quest. 😊
no panic - most of Apple‘s (Finder, etc) and third-party app‘s connections to Apple Inc.‘s servers are icloud-related app sync or e.g. location-based services or messaging (e.g. web api updates by phone sensors and/or internet servers, for instance, a mail server update announcing new incoming mail…) We live in modern times, and though the sheer volume of connections via dns only might be shocking for end-users, it definitely isn‘t for developers. Social media and e-commerce apps are also very telemetry-heavy, to which you gave legal consent when accepting their respective usage terms… let alone those from Apple various device OS‘s. It‘s ‚conditio sine qua non‘ - means mobile sevices are simply not happening without its precondition.
Domain connections are also shown on privacy settings page on the settings app.
I was waiting for iPhone edition of that video.
you asked for it and here it is 😜
Thank You!
You're welcome!
So seems almost all the connections an iPhone makes (without 3rd party apps installed) are to Apple websites (for providing services etc.). From setting up a new iPhone I guess you can turn off things like analytics, personalised ads, etc. to reduce this traffic?
these are only DNS queries - why would Apple need to know when you swipe away notification? What would they need to know when you go into a setting? Yes of course some are to provide the service . But on a brand new setup with nothing installed there is no reason for so many queries to be made so often.
@@LironSegev Because swiping notifications is synchronized with other devices like MacBook. You can get notifications from iPhones on the latest version of macOS.
Watching you're videos always puts us on the right track. I feel that whenever we are dealing with the internet. Privacy is out of our hands. Yes, we can do some things that can help keep our information safe. But it's still not enough. Your videos are so much appreciated. Thank you for sharing.
thank you for watching - yes to some degree we have no control, but can try do what we can to retain what we can :)
Great video. One thing I would be interested to see is how much tracking is going on AFTER going into the privacy and security settings and turning off the tracking and location services. I did not see this being done here in the video.
9:29 Just going through the Settings page and the iPhone triggering network requests:
Maybe the "Send usage and diagnostics "being turned on Apple is tracking user usage pattern and how long they stay on which part of the OS. Just a theory!
Good one, Liron.
Other than your DNS change, you need to have a network scan to see if anything was being connected directly via IP instead of name resolution
Also, some apps (maybe iOS/Android too?) might not be as agreeable with the DNS settings as ypu might think. I have an solar inverter (Growatt) and the Shinelink still uses its own hardcoded DNS server even though you could set a DNS server manually in the device. It still connects to an Chineese IP for some dns translations. So you have to configure your firewall that all outgoing connections to port 53 are redirected back to your pi-hole/adguard if you want to see those.
Sergey can u make videos on how to do pihole?
Nice Video, Liron! It just shows how complex mobile data comm is on IP network level 3, 4, 5 in a mobile OS like iOS, Android.
only scratching the surface....these were ONLY DNS
dude, if its a fully fresh iphone, there are a lot of analytic and data sharing settings turned on automatically. everyone turns those off. do a test with those settings off, then retry please. thankyou
Analytics and diagnostics were turned off
That is why I quickly got rid of it but I do have a Droid Edge.
cool
These videos are great when it comes to information as well should be on the news ie main stream media so people can protect themselves more so the ones who are not tech savy.
appreciate you!
When I dismiss a notification on my phone, it is then dismissed on my computer. Could this be the reason?
Could be and good thinking. But that doesn't explain why when you just go into your settings on your phone it communicates with Apple. That doesn't sync with anything...
@@LironSegev At least notifications’ settings are mirroring to Apple Watch.
In the Settings and Privacy and Security section of the iPhone there is a Transparency Report section. I am curious if Apple’s report matches up with the data you are seeing from your RaspberryPi.
That’s a great question. I will look into that...
What was your setting for app cross talk?
Another question is, what if you create safari web apps to connect to Facebook, Instagram, Amazon, etc. Does this help?
only looked at DNS and if you use a web browser to log into anything, you are still being tracked via the browser (but it will have less info than with a fully installed app)
DO MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS 👍👍👍
Great video, you are tech doctor.
I'm pretty sure that the connections when you change settings is to save the new setting in icloud. I see you are logged into icloud during this test, apple backs up all your settings to icloud so you can restore from icloud. I would like to see the same test if you don't log into icloud.
Excellent video, great investigation.The spurious data is for R&D, it’s not monetised or shared. The manufacturers have done this for years. The social media apps suck as much personal data as legally possible. So many TH-camrs say turn off manufacturers settings but they are using the data to develop your next dream handset.
there no question that they need data to make the apps work and of course to analyze behavior and usage etc. But there is an overreach of just how much is tracked. I am not aware of any audits done to ensure that this data remains internal but I suppose they just point to the Terms and Conditions and I am sure its in there that we agree to let them use the data...
Do graphene os next on that pixel 😅
I am on it
Hoe gaan dit meneer, dit is skrikwekkend, maar dankie vir hierdie video? Dit lyk asof ons almal vingerafdrukke op die internet het.
Ja, dis reg 👀
How about talking about Sim SWAPS? And debugging.
Sorry about that. I missed part no sim card.
Thank You Liron. I suspected phones will always find ways to track no matter what apps or sites are being used. At the moment you are correct that VPN's is the only tool we can use to block tracking apps and sites and even Hidden tracking codes behind a photo, Link, audio file. Im sure that will be a video you will be covering one day. Its absolutely terrible that these companies track us all. There is not one ounce of privacy anymore. I wonder if those companies are being tracked?
yeah - its tough to balance real privacy and convenience in a tech world
My iPhone can't track me, because I don't own any))
A lot of these connections are for caching information from the services (like itunes, music, news, stocks, findmy, icloud, appstore etc), to provide a ‘snappy’ user-experience.
Others are to sync information from icloud like (your other devices(like your other iphones, watches, airpods, homepods, macs, macbooks, ipads that you’re logged in with your icloud) contacts, photos, calendar, reminders, notes, saved maps favorite locations, saved maps favorite routes, settings, files etc).
Finally there is some telemetry data (splunk-nec) for apple to know how they’re doing with their sync and to detect service degradation issues on their end and to figure out if you’re a customer with slower internet connection or fast internet connection. This is tracked because Apple does a staggered auto-updates (if auto-updates are enabled) and this helps them determine what the best day and time would be to push an update to your phone.
Hey buddy, have you written to Apple about this, and if yes , have they clarified?
I wonder if the strange Settings tracking 9:35 has anything to do with handoff? I think it said it uses your iCloud account, so you can pick up where you left off, on other Apple devices. if you turn handoff off, does it stop?
Is the iPhone frame in your recordings part of the some 3rd party software or was it edited in afterwards?
Thank you
You're welcome
I think most of those connections are for data analysis, telling Apple, Google and partner companies how you operate your device to build up trends of user behaviour. 🙂
they are overreaching - why should they know that you go into the setting menu? Also remember these are only DNS, so other connections that are made (for analysis) that dont use DNS but direct IP connections are not shown. Also, should they be allowed deeply analyze how you operate your device? Yes, there is value for Apple, but what do they do with that data? For eg: how comfortable are you knowing that Apple knows you are driving at 50Mph and swiped away your notification? maybe you are fine with it, but what if they sell that to your insurance company and then you have an accident. They use this data not to pay you. How comfortable are you now with this info being sold?
@LironSegev They've definately gone too far.
So that data is permanent?
Makes me wonder if we didn’t have all these phones - would the people working in big tech be professional stalkers for a living?
Maybe they should get over their parents divorce and or mommy & daddy issues
You need to disable several anti tracking features, as the iPhone will otherwise partly ignore DNS and go some Apple ways instead!
I run a squid server and Proton vpn. I also run in UniFi network environment so I can see on one pane of glass. Great video. Thank you.
Great set-up!
I miss the DNS Cloak App
Can you make the same type of video for GrapheneOS, CalyxOS and LineageOS?
That would explain the battery life issue
Can be
Have you evaluated different VPN services?
Yes th-cam.com/video/BEUuUyE7xig/w-d-xo.html
try to do the same but with mikrotik
Awesome! could that be the sim card
not sure what you mean by SIM card - there was no sim card as I said, only a data connection via the wifi.
Sir, you got a new sub from India. Excellent content and absolutely mind boggling information apart from any tech videos. Kudos Sir
Thanks and welcome
On Android you can set up adguard dns under private DNS. No need for VPN
On iOS you can do the same. Adguard will generate a special profile for it.
What happens if you just disable iCloud? That seems to be the crux of it.
Not sure you can. You can disable backup but not sure you can remove yourself from their entire system. I could be wrong.
So who looks at these connections? Does it matter? A government computer, CIA, etc? In any case, Big Brother, knows who you are, where you are and what you are doing (on your computer).
like I said, not worried about the FBI - I explained how this can be used by developers
Great video but the difference is that Apple is not selling your data to data brokers like google does. Also if you have analytics on for iphone this could be why changing embedded settings make a network call
Eh...did you read Apple terms of service and privacy document?
And analytics were off
Apple is selling data, Apple has never denied selling data.
It just claims that it does not sell data related to your own personal name or device. That’s easy to bypass if any email (or volumes of other items) ever is linked back to you.
At the very least, it seems that it's just connecting to Apple services rather than every spyware company on the planet.
Funny how we pay for these devices that give away our data. They should be paying me to use the device.
All this data traffic uses MY data that I PAY for.
Great video!
we also have to acknowledge that many of us use systems for "free" which costs billions of dollars to run, so as a trade-off "we are the product"
@LironSegev veru true, just wish there was an option where I am not the product.
Nope
It is not your data once it leaves the device.
That goes all the way back to the ole phone book at copper POTS lines, and also first wireless lines. Read the laws (still applicable today) about there is not reasonable expectation of any level of privacy
I just went poop, did it track me? 😅
probably
yes, including the micro-jitters of your bowel movement via the accelerometer, and its data being recognized as such …
And iPhone is SOOOO secure and private ..
What blocklist are you using ?
So which phone would you use sir?.
I have both . Iphone and android. Pixel or samsung. Or iphone. Great video .a response would be awesome.
I only use the Pixel 9 Pro as my main phone. I obviously have others for testing
Does your pixel turn stuff back on in the background…
Ie ( I turn off background data or cell ) it turns itself back on each time I turn around .
My iPhone doesn’t do this pixel 8a I am asking about .
Much appreciated the response . Thanks again man.
How about Protonvpn ?
while a vpn will help shield some of the tracking, its not going to stop apps from communicating with their servers - it will just encrypt that data
to be HONEST, most of them on your screen of the log were to GOOGLE, weren't they?
No tic tok for me. 😉😂🤣
smart
What about other phones? I don't and never will use an iPhone
Here is the link to the Android phone video: th-cam.com/video/sWY2pqUXdts/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SIRz4UUXIveJbBVY
If pi hole server meant to block ads is that why the why the iPhone is making query? Why is the iPhone making all those queries. Or this is just FUD to get hits.
Pi-hole has a list of known sites that it uses to check if they are ad servers. Pi-hole isn't making any queries, the phone is making the DNS queries. What see is that the known sites are blocked but pi-hole is and server so what it doesn't know it lets through. As I said, we have very little documentation on what those domains are let alone what they do so these are not on its list. You can manually add those sites to be blocked but then your apps won't work. So the entire point is that your phone talks to servers constantly sending data. Why? Besides making the app work, what else is it sending? What is the data used for? We have no idea.
What about a de De Googled phone there is a guy on TH-cam that uses one and he also sells them
got a link to that?
Rob Braxman Tech (on you tube)
@LironSegev the TH-cam channel name is Rob Braxman Tech
@LironSegev I think TH-cam is blocking my reply because I replied but I don't see it so I will need to find a way to reply to you what do you suggest I do
If every settings on an iphone is linked with trigging some particular connection then how easy is it for Apple to get a full picture of how we used our phone. How convenient. 😮 Great video as always.
I was kinda horrified so I ran that multiple times on various days randomly to make and it did trigger. I have no way to verify if this is what they are doing but it certainly is strange....
And of course thanks for watching 🔥
reupload?
Yup. Audio issues apparently. See community tab where I explain it
You'f love to know what your mobile carrier tracks about your usage patterns. I'd trust Apple with my data versus a lot of other companies out there. There is no escaping telemetry and tracking today unless you turn your devices off and leave them unplugged. Also get some tin-foil for a hat and find a big rock to live under. WHO CARES. And by the way you are using Google for your DNS on unencrypted port 53? Really? ... And you are concerned about Apple? Bahahahahaha ...
Where does one begin...
Yes your carrier tracks a lot of telemetry at a transport level vs their main focus being at the app level m
Not sure what DNS you are talking about since this literally is my own DNS being pi-hole. I removed the default one as you saw. So no idea WTF you are on about.
And again, the question is why should Apple or any company get any data for something you do on the device?
The usual response is tin foil hat and who cares. Ok l. But what if your device logs that you watched social media while the car was driving at 50mph and then had an accident. And what if that data was sold to the insurance company. And what if they used that to refuse to pay you?
Oh that never happens right? Actually is did and does. Loads of cases where this data was used as supporting evidence.
But please go on and tell me how this doesn't matter and privacy is dead and the usual blah blah.
K bye
@@LironSegev If you look on the right side of your video where the request is going it's going out unencrypted port 53 to Google DNS. K Bye!
@CedroCron that is after it leaves pi-hole. The point of this video was just to show the DNS entries made by the phone. I don't care about the end destination which is why pi-hole isn't set up. This wasn't a video showing how to secure your DNS traffic
And you skip the part about apple ecosystem, that is half of the apple queries. Are all queries legit?, No. But at the same time you are not researching all the queries and that is somewhat misleading on the numbers. I enjoyed some of your videos, But become disinterested when it is only a snippet of the whole picture.
It's simple; why should Apple get anything when you swipe away a notification on your phone just because you are part of their ecosystem? I don't care what ecosystem you are in, there is zero reason for anything you do on the device that doesn't impact anything on the Apple side and yet it still connects to it. You don't think that's a problem? You don't think that companies are overreaching by knowing what everything you do?
The amount of people that don't know this is shocking people have been saying this for years
Agreed
I have nord
Some of Apples servers are in China. Think about THAT for a minute. 😂
yeah, but mainly to enable certain services for chinese iphone users. If you are located somewhere in the US or Europe or many other countries, there is very unlikely anything to worry about.
@@marcd6897 nope. I used to work for Apple.... Most but not all of their servers are in fact in China or Chinese territories.
Now Appol fanboy's know that Iphone is worse than Android when it comes to spying 😄
they are both pretty bad IMHO
Daang this is worse than android 😅
eh....yup
apple fanboys crying hard