Why Ralf Rangnick's Early United Tactics Failed | Rangnick 4-2-2-2 Tactical Analysis |
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- What were Ralf Rangnick's Early United Tactics?
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Do you prefer his new formation?
433 suits united’s current squad down to a tee imo, with Fred as the number 6 but should’ve been upgraded in the window
The 433 may not have the best suited midfielders for it but it gives the team more balance. The wingers and bruno were not really effective in the 4222 and now are doing better with elanga and rashford both being influential. What the team lacked was a creative element in the final third as bruno dropped deep. Sancho would be the ideal player for the imo. He was unfortunate that once rangnick shifted to the 433 in the last 4 games he has been absent due to injury or personal issues.
United don't have a quality Defensive Midfielder. McTominay, Fred and Pogba are box-to-box mids while Matic is the only DM but he is not as fit and young as he used to be. Matic cannot play the full 90 mins nor can he play 2 games in a week.
McTominay and Fred are not a net positive value players. Fred is technically poor- has a bad touch, loses ball frequently, rushes into duels and fluffs his line. He compensates his poor tech with hard work and availability.
They don't have a balanced midfield. Pogba needs players behind him to cover for his mistakes, turnovers and his lack of defensive duties in midfield. He needs a Kante lind of partner but you will rarely find a more a workhorse like Kante in Europe anymore.
Yes it suits the team but we need a defensive midfield solution asap otherwise we will use matic for 45 min and then switch to 532. Or we can play look Shaw as CDM I know it's bad but he can pass long ball very well and he can defend ball well with his physicality. We can try that. Need Pogba as 8 as need creativity in midfield.
Btw you explained the prev formation problems very well .
No i don’t, Ronaldo 9 & Bruno 10 doesn’t work.
I don’t think this formation failed. It did not reliably win matches that’s true. But it’s purpose was meant to evaluate the players football IQ and develop stamina since there was literally no time to train this squad.
It will not work
@@lexkanyima2195 They havent used 4-2-2-2 for weeks now
@@26markiemark pretty sure ragnick is moving to a back three anyway
@@AngryJawa0094 4-3-3 seems to be Rangnick's best formation. Funny, that was the formation Ole wanted to use with the current squad! Maybe he wasn't confident enough in it?
@@AngryJawa0094 Don't think he needs to unless necessary, as according to Michael Cox recently the trend for a back 3 has dropped. Teams might still deploy it if they want to got 1v1 for every man against a team that plays a back 3, but overall it's going out of fashion. Teams used it at first only when they faced Conte's Chelsea, then some found use for it as it still had an element of surprise against some teams who can't handle it.
But most teams have now figured out how to play against it without deploying back 3 as well (and it also requires very, very good wing backs which is rare to find). That's partly why Chelsea is on a yo-yo form too, as well as losing Chilwell and James.
Ralf is starting to use the 433 more now, he said we've switched to it and we seem to be getting better results. So hopefully all goes well
Maguire out
@@Jeffhardy21 clubs needs to sell
Personally, I completely believe in this man, he just needs suitable players and more time to be able to perfectly implement his thoughts as they should. And if we can't bring Ten Hag next season, I'd prefer to continue with this man.
Let Utd give him the job. I prefer him and his philosophy to anyone else
Yes...
I prefer him over others!!
the coach was good, but the player is a clown 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yup, so do i. I believe in this man. Prefer Ragnick and give this man job and time.
You and most Man United' fans have been manipulated by Rangnick since he first came. Rangnick is liar. He is using Man United to give his former employee jobs. And he made people like you to believe, if Man United want to catch European big club's level like Bayern, Madrid, PSG, even Liverpool and Man City, then the MLS' level that are brought by his two incompentence assistants would be solutions. At first he acted like he would bring new fresh stronger tactics, but at the end he and his incompentence assistants are completely no clue and only copy Ole's formation, choice of players and results.
My personal opinion about Ralf Ragnick's formation and style :
- First of all , he just started , he did not have pre season , nor the players he wants for his style. So it will take time for him to adapt his style to the team
- From a creative chances , his only player that does that in the midfield is Bruno Fernandez , back then it was Pogba + Bruno , but due to Pogba been out of shape , its Bruno carrying most of it. Most united midfielders are like box to box , defensive midfielders that are recovering the ball , and fast pass
- In addition to that , Bruno most of the time is not playing where he wants , which is in the middle as CAM or as a center midfield. Putting him on the wing or left middle its like taking away his explosiveness and creativity in the middle of the pitch where he does danger
- Also Ralf Ragnick comes with the 4-2-2-2 so that the midfield can cover for the right and left back and the strikers can cover for the midfield. This leads to more consistent ball recovery , and will not make United lose games like 0-5 or 4-1 lol
- Playing with two strikers these days is not really ideal , since they can collide with each other or they can take each other space. It also takes away creative chances since two players will go for the finish. But Ralf knows that Cavani in Uruguay plays with Luis Suarez and CR7 played with Benzema back in RM , so both CR7 and Cavani knows how to synergize with each other.
- Overall , I believe is very unfair to make conclusions about Ralf's style and formation , he can't give results right away. Example like Kloop , he needed at least 3-4 years to completely adapt his pressing style into Liverpool , and make them the beast they are today (winning Champions League 2019 and Premier League 2020)
Excellent breakdown. The point about Fernandez is important and why Ralf has to adjust. Also, if this is a pressing formation and Christiano does not press, then the formation is doomed from the start.
I've been waiting for this explanation so badly, and now I'm waiting for the new formation explanation 👍
Keep it up 👍👍
Would be interesting to compare this with Tuchel's usage of the 4-2-2-2 formation
This analysis is incomplete and somehow failed to explain the real United problem.
United problem is the consistency of their player and what kind of passes they would opt for their game.
You can see this in City. Guardiola opted for agile players who had really good ball control rather than physical.
United tradition is basically preferred 'physical rather than dynamic'. Except for Ronaldo and Giggs, I never saw United players in the past dribble the ball.
All play straightforward fast passes to the box and use physical in winning the ball.
I think United coaching team is confused because most United players are not fit to play that style.
Very informative. Thanks much.
I think Ragnick knows the tactical side and development of teams very well, we hv seen dalot against the likes of valencia where he heavily struggled specially in 1v1s but under ragnick in a pressing system, he has been good, he needs to show more going forward but i think that will come as we hv seen him at Milan, ragnick is making every player work hard and they r playing like a team more.
Tho the initial stages were a transition period, let's see wht he cn do from here on.
Professionals like them should get matured with this formation! This formation is a great one if only you could understand how it works and imagine if it is applied perfectly on the pitch!
I buy into this
No man this formation is just good at pressing nothing else
You can't stretch a low block with this Narrow shape
@@2melo194 correct but have 10s in the half space, it give more dynamism which helps the attacking only if they have the correct players playing the role.
@@2melo194 yep and also Rangnick sometimes switches it with 424 or 442 so it works for them
The first rule of a football coach is know your players.
If he explains all the problems he will have to mention the players name. If he does that, he will have no players to in the team. Its a mature way of managing crisis and wait until the next transfer window. If he says negative things about a player, he will depreciate the selling value. He's managing finance too.
I think United has to play with a 3-5-2 to have a better midlfield and the defenses havae more options to pass the ball
3-4-3 much better
Great analysis thanks
Ragnick needs signings that will suit the system. It's up to United whether they will change their whole structure of the club to move into a new direction. Big fan of your channel content! 👍
They’ve been doing that for years and have failed time and time again. New manager, same results.
I'm waiting the video on Xavi-iniesta and Busquets since
Interesting point about the cbs not being progessive enough. Although maguire is fine in that regard I always thought lindelof's passing compensates that well. Varane isn't that progressive in both passes or carries but is still probably our best defender so he needs to start. But I think the midfield also has a slight influence on how cbs behave as normally mctominay is the one to stay deeper if he and fred play. Mctominay is known to not make himself available for passes or dropping back to create a back 3 or to open up passing lanes. This can be an issue for the cbs as they have to take a risky action or not take it at all imo.
Please make an analysis on Ronaldo changing his position from LW to ST( more of a deep lying Center forward now)
Every system is good but as long to have a good players? Rangnick 4-2-2-2 doesn't use false 9 and they not playing on counter attacks on 2/3 field waiting opponent line up between (opponent) defense and middle line up?Better to Rangnick use (probably) 4-4-(1)-1 with false 9 system between own middle line and striker ?
If he stays and gets signings we want / he needs , he’ll go back to a 4-2-2-2 I’m sure. A fullback like Aaron’s from Norwich could be very use for in this formation!
if he use 4222, the best he could play would be :
Ronaldo - Cavani
Mata/Greenwood - Lingard/Pogba
Matic/Fred - McTominay
Telles - Bailly - Varane - Dalot
De Gea
With Ronaldo staying up waiting for the moment to make a run behind defender, Cavani being the 2nd striker, dropping deep to link up play, Mata being the sole playmaker, while Lingard, Pogba, or Greenwood making the 3rd man run or move up as 2nd striker when Cavani drop.
Double pivot protecting the back line, while the full back provide widths while attacking.
on theory, that is the best Rangnick can get out of the available squad.
I see after the failure and all the stories came out how bunch of first team players met with ralf and told him to change the formation back to the 4231 the reasons behind it was evident in this video. This formation would have worked if we had a better 2 pivots playing behind the 10s and if it was only Bruno and Sancho, as Greenwood doesn’t progressive passed, and rashford was terrible later on. Plus we need a new rb and healthy Shaw. The whole defence progression wasn’t great either as maguire was our best and he was still 70+% if I remember correctly. Wonder if all the supposedly new additions would make the 4222 work or how will eth run it
I like it so much. thanksfull
can't wait to see more of Greenwood under Rangnick.........too soon?
Yeah too soon lmao
I play better than him!
Glad I decided to watch the video before I made the comment, cause I know your insight always makes sense. You saw the key issue - personell i.e. the players. A good cdm is tha backbone of any club. Without that, we are doomed to relyin on individual talent and luck until the end of the season, which in the PL is just mot sustainable. I'm glad 'borough knocked us out and can't wait for Atletico to do the same, so that we can direct all our efforts into somehow maybe reaching top 4. Fk silverware, give up on this season...I can't even say it's the team-building phase, because how can you build a tesm around poor cdm's? After not having signed a cdm in januray, I have no idea what utd's plans are...I have no idea what to hope for, because it's not like we can just buy Haidara, Rice, Zakaria, De jong, whoever and then expect them to fit right in st the start of next season...and by the time they lesrn to olsy together, city, chelsea and liverpool will already be lile 10 points ahead. Do you realize I'm talking about next season? It's actually reasonable to expect Utd to flop 22/23 as well and if you're incorrigibly optimistic, like I am, hipe for something better in 23/24...although by that time, there's probably gonna be another virus that will stop football for a good while...idfk...as a utd fan, it's been fkn arduous watching this team and no cdm after january just looks so ominous...
Thanks for this vid. I have been wondering what he was trying to do offensively and you explained it. So thanks again.
Midfield has been united's biggest problem since ole's reign. Progression wise, fred and Scott don't have the vision to spot the right movement from the players while defensively they lack of speed to anticipate negative transitions.
Bruno has been the only one to ignite the creative spark for the team. Despite having a decent passing skills, his end passing get cut off oftenly due to limited options in the final third.
The two wingers oftenly seek for personal glory and tend to shoot from the second line rather than seeking best possible option to pass in the penalty box.
Ffs, if Manu want to at least stay in the top four. They gotta buy 2 or 3 decent midfielders
Sancho's last two performances have shown some improvement.
Good anaysis .
Biggest issues was player profile imo not just what he inherited but the players he picked in the front 4, a forgivable mistake he obviously wasn’t familiar with these players before joining.
Add Paul in the mix !!
Maybe something will change
Ragnick will def do well given more time. He’s already adapted by changing the formation and we got results and some consistency especially defensively. But sadly I still haven’t sent noticed any patterns of play with the new formation 433. So there’s still work to be done
Can you make a video on Bayern under nagelsman
Please explain in a video why Donny was bought?
Red Bull 442 destroyed Bundesliga. Now it's the Premier League's turn. Everybody ist playing against the ball and forces opponents to make mistakes, but doesn't want to have the ball
1/3 of Bundesliga Coaches are from the red bull school
Rangnick makes very good football temas.
Cmon United 💪🇬🇭👍⚽⚽⚽
Hey man if you see this comment can you please do a vid on barca vs atm .
I just don't feel the 4-2-2-2 is a strong enough formation. It needs some much graft to work it doesn't lend itself naturally to the players, the formation even though should on paper help them dominate midfield is actually and usually where the battle is lost for United, massive open space either develop on the wings or in the middle of the park consistently. Leading to DDG facing I think the most shots at his goal, but thanks to not outstanding finishing, at least some decent defensive drilling but mostly DDG's superb form, he's kept RR from blushing at his teams poor performances.
I still think United's best formation is 4-3-3 ot 4-3-2-1. The lines are better suited to defending a high and low press, it covers the wings and midfield equally meaning breaking it down should be harder. The weakest area is still the midfield, so the two CDM's must make a triangle with the number 10 and wingers to keep passing options. Wingers keep the 5-20 rule distance from the side-line depending on overload distance. To help with the overload only one Fullback can push up, either helping midfield or overlapping support for the winger. This means 3-man defence at all times, preferably AWB stays back, his pace and tackling ability compensates for the CB's lack of pace, the attack will usually always come down the pressing fullbacks open shadow so AWB can either sweep in the middle or Varane's pace should be enough to lock down the wing, that's a weakness I'd have to test to iron out. Midfield can cover the open shadow overload, however it's best they're kept in the midfield to keep passing triangles, but the team should naturally shift to the overload side making covering the open shadow easier unless the opposition are able to shift the overload side from range, but this is when the 3-man defence covers that difficult pass. What I would give to be given the chance to drill this into the team.
Maybe I'm completeley wrong, but woudn't it be better if Rangnick somewhat adapted to the previous playstyle, with some adjustments of course, and work the new tactic in the new season, with new players as well, capable for this tactic?
Definitely a more reasonable approach, most likely it's an ego thing, you know, "I'll do everything my way, I'm the father of gegenpress".
I might be wrong too, but I think a manager should work with the players at his disposal, it doesn't matter that you want to make your team play like City or Bayern if you don't have the people needed for the job.
@@sidneyrodrigues2238 he tried a lot of things out to see what the players can do, you don’t come to a club knowing what every players is capable of doing, tuchel changed his formation and the players regularly in the first two months to find the best formation and best eleven players
plz can u do about tottenham?
It was a stupid formation that didn't match the players available to him. If Rangnick really wanted to make some semblance of the 2 striker formation, he should've gone with a diamond in midfield. Although I don't think longterm that would've been the right solution but it would've been a much better solution that suits the players at his disposal.
I don't find the sound very clear
4-2-2 would work perfect if we actually had a good CDM. Mctom and Fred are just both too average and them playing together doesn't help. Maybe Pogba in this formation would be good
There's no problem with the tactics or formation. It's the players that need the sack
They really needed players for their push for the top 4, going to be very hard for Rangnick to do so with McFred in midfield. Hopefully the next manager gets backed, United belong at the top tbh.
The Portuguese fraud is United's biggest problem, let's not pretend. You can jump on the bandwagon that deluded moron Mark Goldfish has created, but it doesn't the change the fact Penandes is United's biggest problem. He's one of the worst players in world football let alone in the squad.
He has zero footballing IQ or ability. This guy was getting pressed and played off the park by a relegation-battling Norwich. Say what you will about Fred but at least he's an established international for a good Brazil team. Meanwhile, Penandes gets benched for Portugal.
@@BubblesChika your an ding-dong. Mainly for the hating cr7. He's one of the greatest.
But cr7 at this age, he's no long the player who can carry teams.
It's fine having him especially when you goals but his attitude just doesn't help the squad.
So yes cr7 shouldn't be there to change man u to be great again but it's fine he's there so he can help man u become great again only if he stops trying to be the type of player he was in Madrid
@@BubblesChika hahaha jokes penandes is 10x better than mcfred thats why his role is important
@@BubblesChika u have a no IQ cause judge bruno like this 😂
@@ikhwannfauzi666 You just know absolutely nothing about football 😊 A player that can't even control a ball and do the basics when pressed will never be better than an established Brazil international
Meanwhile, Penandes gets dropped for Portugal because he's horrendous😊
He rag doesn’t make adjustments fast enough. Needs to make changes as soon as he sees a flaw.
He told Ronaldo not a passing macine....but without Ronaldo he didn't win a single match....lol MANAGER....he is good fit for BUNDESLIGA...
Yes the problem with his tactics is they don't work on donkeys!!
Formation is amazing but Too many deadwood
Barcelona vs athletic Madrid tactical analysis
Man Utd did not have the players and recruitment for Rangnick to work. The team has more wingers and the midfield is not gifted enough.
We have creative players like Pogba and Bruno who are arguably the best creators in the league. Vdb should've also be given the chance to prove himself
@@aflow- yeah but pogba and bruno not a defensive midfielder like ruben neves,rice,kante,rodri . pogba is hole player which is better playstyle than hole player that we know "ramsey" because pogba have playmaking ability same as bruno but bruno is attacking force more often. easily tell u pogba is no 8/10 a little bit while bruno is pure no 10 but can play as hybrid 8/10 someone like de bruyne .
First here… big fan from Ghana 🇬🇭… yeah I like the 4-2-2-2 but the players we’ve got at United aren’t helping
It's not the players, most of them weren't in form under OGS. But with thirty their current form, I believe d boys can give it a shot again and see how it goes
Could you make a video about Bayern under nagelsmann
Ralph Rangnick is just a counter attacking manager that uses aggressive defending high up in the pitch. He is not that much different from Ole or Jose Mourinho besides using counterpressing and high pressing.
Am a Chelsea fan raff is right, back passes are atrocious and Chelsea are the kings in doing it.🤦♂️🤦♂️
Seeing Chelsea play is like watching heaven. T he real King of back passes was Bayern Munich under Guordialoa. That was the most boring and clueless football ive ever saw!
@@costarica739 jorginho brought that back passes upon us, he is the lord and founder of side ways and backward passes
He can never make a forward passes to save his life.🙄🙄
424 gets the best out of Ronaldo which is what United should be focusing on.
People like you are the reason why Ralph has returned to Ole ball with Ronaldo 9 & Bruno 10, doesn’t work & never will.
damn, fred is actually not that bad under rangnick
Awb needs to be a CB.
He would be a good CB on the right of a back 3 or 5
Ralf Rangmid
💙💙💙This formation Relies too much on the other team making a mistake
You need players with good ball retention with 4222
Basically every formation relies on the other team making a mistake, thats just how pressing works. Also this video mainly discussed the pressing situations not the ball progression. If you have the right players you would outplay the other team vertically through the half spaces!
It's too early to say if he shld get the permamnent job, but if he cn make pogba press and work like he has made many others and make sancho firing again, utd will definitely get top 4.
pogba already said he want to renew contract if next manager is always ragnick
@@ikhwannfauzi666 ik but with someone as dynamic as pogba and an agent like raiola u never know, plus ckd be that he is just saying it to get on the roght side of ragnick. The thing is we haven't seen him play under ragnick yet so let's see
I feel like Ralf is the man for the Job but with lazy squad!!
He does not have the players to effectively implement this system. Fred n Scot r not good enough to press as well control midfield at the same time. Wit Ronaldo, Fred n Scot, this system will nvr work.
The problem with 4-2-2-2... Its show us how badly our midfield..and without the support from the board in tf wndow united just a bullshit
'Early'💀
His formation didn't fail it was the useless midfield double pivot who can't play no 6. Although can't blame them. It's the board who failed to get cdms for utd for the past 5 years
The problem was the locker room. Not RR. United will fire on all cylinders now. Just watch.
Nah so many managers left out Manchester that they dont know identy. Wtf who will press this expensive players and run like a headless chicken
I believe he'll win the fa cup and go to ucl final
Bottom line, it's not a world class team.
tldr players aren't good enough
Ralf... U cannot used 442 4222 ... Bruno cant go play left side....for me better using 41221 play Pogba as defensive Roaming deep playmaker...in centre Bruno as advanced with 1 central Midfielder specific technical( can win ball back ) left side rasford right sancho n Ronaldo as poacher....play with high press defensive Line...mixed passing to play urgent long ball if needed....
they fail because he picks shit players who cant control the football well like mctominay, bruno, ronaldo, greenwood, rashford who are not ball retention players
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One percentile lol
open ur eyes boys, man united still sucks and many of their player were overrated.
Why do you keep calling him Ran-yick? It’s Rang-nick
So basically the squad is abysmal, thats why Rangnick system failed!
Him and Bielsa have ideas but no trophies to show for. Media and pundits should not rate these types of managers.
If trophies are the only thing that you use to judge a manager, you shouldn't be judging managers at all.
@@valsan1323 💀💀 you must be a utd fan.
and then you have Gary Neville who as a manager has neither ideas nor trophies.
@@PissG yea Neville was clueless as a manager. He's got trophies to show for as a player but doesn't come close as one of the best RBs ever.
Some of these donkies and cry babies need to be thrown out or benched immediately. Otherwise ,even if you get Pep or Klopp ,they will fail too.
I prefer him gone
Its „ Rang - nick“ . Not that hard…
It's actually easier for English speakers.
Wtf.
@@valsan1323 yet half the English commentators say „Ran-yick“ 😄
Ronaldo has made a limited team such a shitshow 😂😅
The players just aren't good enough to cope with Ralf's style so he's having to be pragmatic to have any chance of clinching top 4.
Number 18 is one of the worst footballers I've ever seen in my lifetime and anyone who thinks otherwise should really stop pretending to be a football fan because they clearly know nothing about it. No competent footballer, especially one at the highest level, would ever just BOOT the ball away when pressed.
I really can't wrap my head around deluded United fans watching Penandes literally curl atrocious hospital passes toward his fucking goal like he did against Watford & think that's acceptable. It's not acceptable to be looping backward passes BEHIND his teammates because he cannot deal being pressed by an Istanbul player.
I'm sorry, but you haven't got the technical ability to put your foot on the ball & pass it simply & calmly in tight spaces, you're NOT a good footballer by any stretch of the imagination.
Okay 👍
Spot on, he’s a fraud