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  • @FootballMadeSimple
    @FootballMadeSimple  2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    What do you see as the next positional evolution?

    • @mixfcb1086
      @mixfcb1086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Probably single pivots.

    • @GM-kj7sy
      @GM-kj7sy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      full backs would be nice.We are slowly seeing more and more teams using the full back as the extra man in building from the back

    • @rishavsingh2390
      @rishavsingh2390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Overlapping centrebacks could become a thing, like we saw with Chris Wilder's Sheffield United. But that's probably either too far into the future or not gonna be explored due to bigger changes in the picture

    • @andreadg5429
      @andreadg5429 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Arsenal!! From 4th position to relegated position 😂

    • @TheRealPingu
      @TheRealPingu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Goalkeepers behaving as outfield players.

  • @RohitKumar-hi4qf
    @RohitKumar-hi4qf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +378

    15 years later....
    "How goalkeepers are outscoring outfield players?"

    • @ishteerashid5458
      @ishteerashid5458 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      The future starts with Allison Becker.

    • @fishyfish6510
      @fishyfish6510 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Allison, Neuer, Ederson are 3 great examples

    • @lobo981
      @lobo981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Rewas Gautam 😂😂🙆🏻‍♂️ Becker

    • @ofentsemako8042
      @ofentsemako8042 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @kamui4708
      @kamui4708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      When there corner kick they can use their hand in the box of opponent penalty

  • @greninjafw
    @greninjafw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +269

    While there are still out and out center forwards, they've also been forced to evolve and adapt their game. The likes of Lewandowski, Lukaku, Haaland and Kane can not only score goals like a striker would, but they also have the ability to drop deep (Esp Kane last season) or move out wide (I know Lukaku does that quite a bit, his footwork isn't as bad as people make it out to be.)

    • @TheJacobtan
      @TheJacobtan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Center forwards are now acting more like a pivot up front, mostly a traditional target man + linkup play to lay off other forwards, Giroud is another type of player here.
      Still this leaves space for positional forwards like Vardy, Aguero, Lautaro Martinez to strive because of their positioning and sharpness in front of goal.

    • @patrickhodgen9933
      @patrickhodgen9933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I would argue Haaland is more of a throwback in that sense, but he’s still young and has a lot of time to adapt his game into a deeper role.

    • @greninjafw
      @greninjafw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@patrickhodgen9933 throwback yea, but he's very much capable of dropping deep and linking up play too
      And you're right, he still has many years ahead

    • @greninjafw
      @greninjafw 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheJacobtan I think in general, more is being expected of a centre forward and hence they've been becoming more versatile

    • @combat2thearms
      @combat2thearms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Lukaku footwork is not bad at all, people seem to forget technical skills can get better with age. Unlike physical traits which tend to be more set in stone

  • @lwandomadikizela2213
    @lwandomadikizela2213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    The 433 or the 4231 is the best examples of the rise of inside forwards like Robben, Rashford, Salah and Mbappe and the inverted wingers like Ribery, Hazard, Di Maria and Marhez. It's the current football meta and why Guardiola, Klopp and Zidane have a false 9.

    • @rickynetogoat5769
      @rickynetogoat5769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Eh the meta for me anyways is changing to a 3 in the back. The 433 has always been the meta especially with the Likes of Barca, Spain, Ajax, and Netherlands. Feel like the 433 will always be a go to. While now a days were seeing 3 in the backs even in a 433 system where a wing back or DM slots in as a 3rd CB to provide build up and protect counters.

    • @lwandomadikizela2213
      @lwandomadikizela2213 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rickynetogoat5769 Very good insight. The CDM drop deep to protect the back 4 sometimes playing as the 3rd centre back to prevent counter attacks.

    • @athulanilkumar403
      @athulanilkumar403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@rickynetogoat5769 There are no longer any fixed formations. It's a different formation for each phase of play, like defence, transition and attack. Also players are having different roles in each phase, instead of a fixed place throughout the match.

    • @davidtuttle7556
      @davidtuttle7556 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lwandomadikizela2213 like Fabinho?

    • @lwandomadikizela2213
      @lwandomadikizela2213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@davidtuttle7556 Yes and Casemiro at Real Madrid.

  • @CochinKerala
    @CochinKerala 2 ปีที่แล้ว +334

    Video 2 years later after Haaland scores a ton of goals - "How Strikers are making a comeback".

    • @camelio10
      @camelio10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Let's see him do it in a proper league. Werner scored 40 goals in a season in this league

    • @pavanmanchineni4153
      @pavanmanchineni4153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@camelio10 Scoring 20+ goals in league under nagelsmann's counter attacking style was perfect suited for Werner. He was an average player before and should've stayed at Leipzig for his own good

    • @h.z1793
      @h.z1793 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@pavanmanchineni4153 he might not scored tons of goals but he got his first UCL in his first season in Chelsea. Isn't it a "good" personal achievement one could get? I bet he'll never regret his decision on this move

    • @pavanmanchineni4153
      @pavanmanchineni4153 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@h.z1793 Achievements are highly subjective innit? I mean everyone loves to win, but buffon hasn't won CL till now while odriozola kind of players have won.

    • @KennyFCB
      @KennyFCB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@camelio10 It all depends upon the club and style of football they play. Look at Griezmann, he was in the same league in Atletico and Barca but the thing is Defensive Counter Attacking team players don't suit to other styles easily but other can suit to counter attacking quick like Louis Suarez.

  • @GM-kj7sy
    @GM-kj7sy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +111

    Without great hardworking fullbacks,playing inside forwards or inverted wingers can basically be shooting yourself on the foot.The best example of this is Barca playing Messi on the right wing and Roberto as a right back.

    • @RohitKumar-hi4qf
      @RohitKumar-hi4qf 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Tf ur talking about sergi roberto has an average working rate??... The cbs are to be blamed for their blunders

    • @richard35791
      @richard35791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      bruh, how about your clubs faced huge financial burden, gonna be a banter soon

    • @reecejoshua6613
      @reecejoshua6613 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think GM meant that when Roberto is RB then it's bad because Roberto is a midfielder naturally

    • @tittopaulson5200
      @tittopaulson5200 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      roberto is a workhorse but he dont have the pace or skill for an offensive fullback. he has the attributes of an average midfielder

    • @CLSZN
      @CLSZN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep or Guardiola's City which don't have fullbacks overlapping/underlapping hence his team always looks a lot better when playing with traditional wingers compared to inverted wingers.

  • @thakshilajayasundara1131
    @thakshilajayasundara1131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Thanks for doing a really interesting vid that mentions Robbery, a great duo that gave us Bayern fans amazing memories ❤

    • @KennyFCB
      @KennyFCB 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Robben,Ribery, Robert Lewandowski and Thomas Muller was a brilliant attack back 4 years ago.

  • @Getroy
    @Getroy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    For this system to really work, you need the best attacking fullbacks possible with center backs who can defend a 2v3 or a 2v4.
    With this system teams either play like Liverpool or Arsenal

    • @prdigy2655
      @prdigy2655 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Love the contrast between the examples

    • @rickynetogoat5769
      @rickynetogoat5769 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really if you can still get numbers back from your midfield. A lot of center mids now a days are told to defend the wide areas and become more of a carillero. To help full backs like Marcos Llorente does for Atleti or Koke. It really just depends on who's in your midfield. Attacking full backs also aren't really that important as defensive ones. Atleti love their inside wingers and one could argue that they have some of the best defensive wing backs in terms of straight defending. I feel like a more suited attribute would be crossing like Trippier or TAA because of how wife wing backs are supposed to be in attack due to the inward runs of wingers

    • @messigoh6061
      @messigoh6061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No you dont...
      Klopp has fabinho deep to help stop counters (through tactical fouls). and pep adopts a sort of w-m formation to stop counters with the fullbacks inverting into midfield.

    • @Getroy
      @Getroy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@messigoh6061 cos man city dont have inside forwards.

    • @messigoh6061
      @messigoh6061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Getroy Actually they do. While Mahrez and Sterling tend to hug the touchline to stretch the pitch, they are always cutting in with the ball when they receive it in space... Do you watch Mahrez play hes always cutting into his left foot. And Sterling also inverts in the final third to get into the box.

  • @aznvermilion8177
    @aznvermilion8177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    This is what the doubter of ronaldo's 'goal-per-match' need to know ; ronaldo career is from 2002 - until now. But he ONLY started playing inside forward or centre forward since mid 2007. from 2002 until pre-mid 2007, he was still playing as a traditional winger (also called right/left mid) in a 442 formation, they just run to the byline and whip in cross all the time, thats all they do for most of the 90 minute (like what fullback do nowadays. fullback essentially replaced the traditional winger's crossing job).
    So just imagine that, how many game he went without focusing on goalscoring and attacking towards the box. THAT'S what create the huge gap between games played and goal scored.
    Now i dont want to see "but messi was a midfield too" no he wasnt, he just DROP DEEP, and then proceed to go up the field. He's a unique forward that help the build-up play, but he is still a forward, he literally goes up the field towards goal. Cavani and tevez always drop deep, yet I dont see anyone calling them a midfielder?..
    Yes, messi has played CAM but thats just some rare occassion back in the days and in recent years with Barca, usually to fill spot left by absent players or tactical change for a specific game. He never fully dedicate as a CAM throughout a whole single season. Ronaldo on the other hand, dedicate 5 whole season as a fully traditional winger. Hence the goal-per match gap.
    This is not a hate towards messi at all (I love him, he's a much more complete player than CR).But an explanation to ronaldo's goalscoring doubter/hater

    • @Praveen.mukunda.3
      @Praveen.mukunda.3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bro . I don't wanna start a mostly used football debate . Let's just say Messi didn't simply dropped midfield. His vision and passing is second to none. That's why he has playmaker of year awards. Also the way he carried team in 2017-2018 is impeccable playmaking sense.
      One More thing to say Messi's goals are coming as a bonus from his playmaking role. He too played RW role is 2 years I guess.
      Edited:
      What Messi does is not like Cavani or Tevez does by coming inside .

    • @i_like_chomp6382
      @i_like_chomp6382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@Praveen.mukunda.3 Everything you said didn't make any sense... and what did didn't say anything at all. He just said Ronaldo's sketchy goals per game ratio is in part due to his role as a player when he first started playing.

    • @aznvermilion8177
      @aznvermilion8177 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ​@@Praveen.mukunda.3 Im not talking about his vision or playmaking bro, I know its incredible and i have no problem with that. But do you know why i bring up about 'messi playing midfield'? Heres an example of what people always say for messi :
      Person A : "ronaldo didnt score much because he was a traditional winger earlier in his career "
      Person B : " But messi was not a forward too, he was a midfielder back then. But he still have a better goal-per-game ratio."
      So person B is saying, messi is placed in midfield, but he still score so much, which is incredible. But person B is wrong. Messi is NOT placed in midfield. He is placed at forward, so although he drop deep and does midfield duty like playmaking, he will eventually go forward into the box to join the attack and score. That means he's still a forward. he doesnt stay around the middle of the field like Kroos, Xavi, Pirlo, Jorginho, Rakitic. So all my explanation is to tell why people who think like person B is incorrect. I'm not talking about messi's vision or playmaking, i know all that but that has nothing to do with this.
      Yes i know cavani/tevez does not do the same thing like messi. But regardless of the different thing that they do when deep (playmaking /build-up passes / tackling/ marking), whatever each of them does, one thing for sure, they are STILL forwards/strikers. Because they eventually go up to the penalty box to score goals. They dont stay around the middle like those midfield names that i said previously.
      And about that RW that you said, messi is playing as inside forward RW bro, so still a 'forward', like this video. Not traditional RW (a.k.a RM), like ronaldo from 2002-2007.

    • @lxfj2128
      @lxfj2128 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Neither did Messi he played winger no excuses

    • @i_like_chomp6382
      @i_like_chomp6382 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@lxfj2128 Actually Messi was a Centre-Forward or a false 9 so your argument makes no sense

  • @ajmalaj4381
    @ajmalaj4381 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Arsene Wenger introduced this goal scoring inverted wide man much before with Robert Pires

    • @harukrentz435
      @harukrentz435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good point. I forgot Pires once scored 20 goals playing from the flanks.

    • @w.8424
      @w.8424 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wenger? No

    • @footballbrainer279
      @footballbrainer279 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He turned Thierry Henry, Robin Van Persie from wingers into strikers, he was doing that with Sanchez for a while

  • @csvsbharadwaj4423
    @csvsbharadwaj4423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    memphis depay and ansu fati can be one hell of a combination of inside forwards if used correctly by ronald koeman

    • @user-ip2ys5si3q
      @user-ip2ys5si3q 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      We know koeman won't use them correctly

    • @csvsbharadwaj4423
      @csvsbharadwaj4423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-ip2ys5si3q yeah, sadly

    • @mixfcb1086
      @mixfcb1086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hmm, maybe we could see Fati on the right wing?

    • @5ucls
      @5ucls 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We have lazy fullbacks

    • @mixfcb1086
      @mixfcb1086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@5ucls Defensively they are lazy, I think it’s time we go back to a back three.

  • @finding_aether
    @finding_aether 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Ljungberg and Pires were an underrated wing duo. So many goals from them..

    • @w.8424
      @w.8424 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ljungberg played more centrally than wide

    • @finding_aether
      @finding_aether 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@w.8424 yes. The title of this video is called "inside forwards"😌

    • @thealchemist6355
      @thealchemist6355 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@w.8424 Central?? Arsenal played a 442

    • @Agger-pr2hz
      @Agger-pr2hz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thealchemist6355 4-5-1 sometimes

    • @thealchemist6355
      @thealchemist6355 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Agger-pr2hz 451 became the main tactic post 2005 and after Henry's departure

  • @krishnaarora6099
    @krishnaarora6099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Check out the *Front3 Podcast* where they talk about Greenwood being one of the best upcoming type of this player 🔥

    • @stnbch3025
      @stnbch3025 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      And at this point none of the current young forwards at United has actually became a top player.

    • @goldenemmanuelyt35
      @goldenemmanuelyt35 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stnbch3025 ???

    • @viandramonisyaf8623
      @viandramonisyaf8623 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He's basically gonna master both the up front and inside forward role for real

    • @jimmyfawwaz6374
      @jimmyfawwaz6374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stnbch3025 because? Or you talk nonsense because you are a hater?

    • @arctyic1932
      @arctyic1932 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hadnot been that three goals by him, you wouldn't even think of sniffing these type of comments. Let that kid atleast play a season good, then tell "one of the best" nonsense. Don't just rate him yet.

  • @harrisonokoro7002
    @harrisonokoro7002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When C. Ibe Ronaldo won the golden boot and best forward in 08, he said he had changed football a little bit. This is the result of that change actually.

    • @harukrentz435
      @harukrentz435 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      CR7 and Pep changed football drastically. Pep changed defensive aspect of football, defenders are rated not only with his defensive attributes but also his ability to play the ball.

  • @chiragmotwani2421
    @chiragmotwani2421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If you have followed this channel closely , you know he has made this video very early , but i guess it was on patreon , now he has uoloaded it , BTW great video mate!

  • @chap5674
    @chap5674 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Haven’t watched the video yet but i feel like the first time i really saw inside forwards were ajax back in 80s and 90s im sure they were used before though and also thought bayern with ribery and robben used it to perfection

  • @haroonpacking
    @haroonpacking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    class video, would love to see a video on line breaking midfielders soon

  • @juanito.1053
    @juanito.1053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Finally some brought up this topic as guy who started watching football in the early days for 2010’s I saw this football Transition involving wide players basically becoming strikers in game . Cr7 is my favorite player so I obviously I would break down his game and I would see this. Players such as bales , sterling and even spurs heuing-Ming son . Even in fifa I would use winger as strikers because they had all the tools to scores goals such as in real life . For example putting son on the wings is a waste the guy is agile fast and shoot the ball with either foot. Even tho I’m spurs he often starts on the LW/LM position he almost played like a second left handed striker next to Harry Kane. This players are favorites players who play on the wing but Contribute in the score Line weather being assist or goals . So many of things players are my favorite players. Such as Ronaldo , (prime) hazard neymar , salah , bale , Ribery , son , and Messi

    • @rickynetogoat5769
      @rickynetogoat5769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean I get what you're saying but you could say that Son provides a different dynamic when he's out in the left that I don't think he could get playing down the middle. Moving between channels is so much better when moving from the wings and it's a different set of abilities. Using Son as a secondary striker to a big man like Kane is good but when you use Son as a solo Striker I feel like that would be a lot more difficult for him to accomplish then what he does from the wing. In Fifa I always like to use my wingers to make the runs while the striker sits deep and becomes my target man. Feel like that's much better for using Son than playing him as an out and out striker

  • @gregoryvincke
    @gregoryvincke 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "How Wingers Became The Most Important Players". Became? Look at the Dutch football school, which is based on wing play, or at Ajax 90's... Wingers and inside forwards were, in specific systems, already key... And that 30 years ago!

    • @JayzsMr
      @JayzsMr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really , classical dutch 433 has wide wingers on the touch lines

    • @gregoryvincke
      @gregoryvincke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JayzsMr Not true. Overmars often came inside!

    • @JayzsMr
      @JayzsMr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@gregoryvincke one player means the classical way was different?

    • @gregoryvincke
      @gregoryvincke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JayzsMr Of course, it means that the player, in question, was encouraged by the trainer to come inside. In this case by Van Gaal.

    • @rickynetogoat5769
      @rickynetogoat5769 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JayzsMr yeah man you're wrong in this one. Wingers we're often times played inside like in the modern game just they would be creators like Sarabia, and early Beckham rather than inside forwards like we see today.

  • @rlfernandes9538
    @rlfernandes9538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great video. On the graph showed at the beginning, it's impressive how Messi+Ronaldo's output in '08 and '12 even bent the statistics against the dominating trend ofthe time, lol

    • @rlfernandes9538
      @rlfernandes9538 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      While I enjoy seeing both players' achievements and evolution, I found Messi in 2012 (calendar year) to be inhuman. Don't think we'll see something like it anytime soon. The following year, he had some injuries that slowed him down statistically (I suspect it was somehow related with him becoming a father for the first time). Afterwards he morphed a bit, to add the Xavi role to his repertoire.

    • @rod6722
      @rod6722 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rlfernandes9538 2012 was obviously Messi's best year in terms of goalscoring, but personally I think his best season overall was 2014/2015. It's when he added that new deep-lying playmaker dimension to his game, while still scoring a massive amount of goals.

    • @rlfernandes9538
      @rlfernandes9538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rod6722 agree, that was the "Xavi role" I mentioned. He became much more complete and influential in games.
      That first MSN season was magical, happy I was able to watch those games. So much flow with a 2-3-5 in attack (Alba, Neymar, Suarez, Messi and Alves moving around the front). That will hardly be repeated.

  • @tibododo
    @tibododo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video! We should also add that teams press more than before and are now more compact than before, which means creativity higher of the field is harder since there are less solutions to give the ball, and less time to think about what to do. So n°10 and creators can't be at the heart of the game, they have to be in a much lower or wider position, as a regista or creative winger (or even as wing back, like Alexander-Arnold)

  • @hunterjourney2609
    @hunterjourney2609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been waiting for this video 📸 for a while

  • @fredrikkarlsson1620
    @fredrikkarlsson1620 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love ur vids! Great work 👍👍👍

  • @RichardFlores2K
    @RichardFlores2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Basically Guardiola and Klopp used wingers/inside forwards as strikers along with deep lying strikers or advanced strikers.

    • @tesla5297
      @tesla5297 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guardiola always prefers wide classical wingers

    • @russow1074
      @russow1074 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@tesla5297 Guardiola's barca was 2 goalscoring inside forwards ( pedro and david villa). He doesn't use classical wingers that much

    • @richard35791
      @richard35791 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tesla5297 pep dont expect sterling to become inside forward lol

    • @messigoh6061
      @messigoh6061 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tesla5297 Actually the wide players pep uses arent exactly classical wingers. They tend to hug the touchline to underload the opposite side of the pitch. This allows guardiolas team to overload one side and switch play, giving the opposite wide player a one on one vs the opposition full back. In this instance they either can cut in or they can pass it to an onrushing midfielder in the half space. Riyad Mahrez and Sterling are far from classical wingers

  • @chandlerthebing3472
    @chandlerthebing3472 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The main difference between inverted wingers and inside forwars is inverted wingers provide width

    • @footballbrainer279
      @footballbrainer279 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Inverted wingers are inside forwards... Wide wingers maintain width and stretch the pitch ie Man City but LFC use inverted wingers Salah and Mane

  • @adithyaadiga488
    @adithyaadiga488 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ⚽️⚽️⚽️
    Please do a video on rose tactics about dortmund
    Also please do a video on leipzeig match analysis
    With emphasis on pressing

  • @fhjunior6183
    @fhjunior6183 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the vid

  • @MarquisdeSuave
    @MarquisdeSuave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love it if you could do a video about Wide Playmakers such as how teams like Leipzig (Sabitzer, Forsberg and now Szoboszlai) utilize to great success.

  • @imambruonyibnhowmasalstryn2659
    @imambruonyibnhowmasalstryn2659 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank u very much
    U made my day

  • @alexnascimento3877
    @alexnascimento3877 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like a lot this Kind of video. Great vídeo \o/

  • @jimmyfawwaz6374
    @jimmyfawwaz6374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's why Ronaldo and Messi are very special because both of them can provide any roles as a forward

  • @devshrutbastola3175
    @devshrutbastola3175 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yo this is awesome 😎

  • @aclock2
    @aclock2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I must disagree, the inside forward actually makes the striker role even more important, as they now must contribute more into teamplay instead of just camping in the final third all game waiting for oppoturnity. Many of the greatest super stars in the last decade playing in this role: Messi, Benzema, Lewan, Kane, Rooney, Drogba, Ibra, Tevez, Henry.....
    On the contracy, there were not as many super star inside forward: CR7, Neymar, Salah, Son, Robben....
    With the exception of CR7, the inside forwards group could not really match the striker group in term of legendary status.

  • @javiecija96
    @javiecija96 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Will you do a tactical impact video about Ronaldo in ManU?

  • @fmac6441
    @fmac6441 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the historical description of this video is very connected to England.
    Brazil in almost its entire history had examples of inside forwards and inverted wingers

  • @arefjr
    @arefjr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess u should include Football manager game info in the role explaining thing. Its so accurate and viable and people who play it have more understanding of the game.

  • @nickonyt1558
    @nickonyt1558 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ribery, Robben, Messi, Ronaldo..... STERLING 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

  • @dequanmsealey1356
    @dequanmsealey1356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    100% Honest i checked your youtube for a video about salah's playstyle 2 days ago.

  • @lxfj2128
    @lxfj2128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Msn Messi neymar we’re inverted wingers . In fact Messi has always been an inverted winger from 2003-2009 he played on the rw and he’s left foot . From 2015-2019 he played on the rw ofc he would drift anywhere to

  • @phabianodhiambo713
    @phabianodhiambo713 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kindly do the Flick's Germany Teams tactics in the games played so far. Please

  • @BeerLicious
    @BeerLicious 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Isn't that Putting pressure on wingers too ? If you score it's good but if you can't ? You're considered as a useless winger now. Sterling for example is an excellent winger & prolly best but gets slandered for missing sitters.

  • @harukrentz435
    @harukrentz435 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wenger kinda invented this system with Pires and Ljungberg in early 2000's especially Pires he was such prolific goalscorer playing from wide area, however CR7 popularized this trend in 2007, another winger followed suit even Robben wasnt a prolific goalscorer before he moved to Bayern in 2009.
    What made CR7 special is that he always outshined world class strikers in his team, like Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez, & Karim Benzema. Hes always been the focal point of his team ahead of those generational strikers.

  • @tamunotamuno3564
    @tamunotamuno3564 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thanks 4 solving my football manager dilemma 🤣

  • @SinanShanavas4
    @SinanShanavas4 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice Tactics

  • @joeschmoe2030
    @joeschmoe2030 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A dozen years ago Mourinho - Britain's most hated man for playing defensive like it was part of the game - was doing all this at Inter with Milito as center striker, Eto'o/Pandev as winger cutting inside and Maicon burning up the right outside. He won a treble doing it beating Barcelona, Chelsea and Bayern Munich along the way. I think at this point it's safe to say that if it is being done in EPL now, than it has been a part of the regular tactical game in Italy and Spain for a quite a while.

  • @linuxjodi4311
    @linuxjodi4311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Milan's 3-4-3 was probably the only exception, their front three that consisted of Sheva/Inzaghi, Kaka, Seedorf was narrower, yet, both Sheva & Inzaghi didn't drop as deep as other false 9s, well cuz they weren't..
    Well, a front three doesn't always need inverted wingers or inside forwards IMO..

  • @pvn106
    @pvn106 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice video.

  • @of218
    @of218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Make a vid on graham potter

  • @ankaramesi3824
    @ankaramesi3824 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A proper manager at United would have implemented the Liverpool system at United with a front 3 of Rashford-Bruno-Greenwood and would have won things.

    • @BenAnderson48
      @BenAnderson48 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I think for that to work a proper DM is required, and McFred isn't a proper DM.

    • @messigoh6061
      @messigoh6061 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      hmm i would love to see bruno as a false 9 but i think he would be more effective in the hole behind a striker.

    • @harukrentz435
      @harukrentz435 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not with McFred he wont.

  • @rudrajabasu4995
    @rudrajabasu4995 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey can you please make a video on Argentina tactics....they are doing well actually..

  • @supriyobiswas6313
    @supriyobiswas6313 ปีที่แล้ว

    please make a video on evolution on wing back

  • @dranthony1882
    @dranthony1882 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where did this zone 14 suddenly come from. It's in every video now

  • @josephmbugua5862
    @josephmbugua5862 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kindly make a video on Saul niguez

  • @mikelchristopher8135
    @mikelchristopher8135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Salah physicality is underrated

    • @fishyfish6510
      @fishyfish6510 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe if he tried to fight to stay on his feet rather than dive at first contact people will see his physicality more

    • @mikelchristopher8135
      @mikelchristopher8135 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fishyfish6510 that is so true

    • @razer0072073
      @razer0072073 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fishyfish6510 Ironic coming from a Chelsea fan

  • @Subha95
    @Subha95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Strikers are still there kicking, its the Im small pacy player so I'll play as stiker so ill dribble pass is dead cause that rearly works, so most team takes Tall and strong strikers while sends the pacy players in wing cause that works better. Plus taller player can score with head thats not easy for shorter players

  • @TheChees1996
    @TheChees1996 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have been using inside foward for year in football manager.

  • @justindesouza977
    @justindesouza977 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:55 I think it is a must to include the man who bossed the False 9 role, the one and only Leo Messi.

  • @raynerben3843
    @raynerben3843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Inside forward had made teams to play a back 3 to make a 3v3 situation

  • @phomo561
    @phomo561 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here early.. Next up - a Paetreon Subscription 💯

  • @williamhuang7624
    @williamhuang7624 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Score More Goals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @coffeebuddymphuthi
    @coffeebuddymphuthi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plz do JOSÉ'S Roma next

  • @snoozyweatherboy
    @snoozyweatherboy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How would you categorise Mason Greenwood?

  • @muhammedtaha2183
    @muhammedtaha2183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you add English captions bro because I am Egyptian and I can't understand the listening

  • @juang8360
    @juang8360 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Robben

  • @victormugishar.5812
    @victormugishar.5812 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don’t know if this can be also included but to have winger who are really moving and versatile in their positions in order to make the opposition defensive confused. A front three that has both inverted wings but who can switch positions in between them and the center-forward. Barcelona’s MSN used to play like that but a quick example is the front three of last year’s Chelsea! When Mount was playing as a winger, they tend to switch wings and you would never know who track Pulisch or Werner or Mount in counter-attack! I’ve just thought of it 😂😂

  • @shoukotuzzamanchudhury7083
    @shoukotuzzamanchudhury7083 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We all know that the sudden rise of goals by wingers in 08 season is due to which man

  • @muhammedgamal5871
    @muhammedgamal5871 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Now it's saka jesus martenelli

  • @fernandocastrovargas6843
    @fernandocastrovargas6843 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well explained. I could add that this change probably started in 2006 world cup with 3 players focused on it: Ribbery, Robben and specially LAHM. Not before that cuz ive even seen Messi videos playing on the left at BarcaB. Its not a secret that this change is one of the effects of a more offensive football since 2008.

    • @rod6722
      @rod6722 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It started a few years before. Before the 2006 World Cup, Ronaldinho was already the best player in the world playing as an inverted winger for Barcelona. Another example would be Zidane, who played as an inverted winger for Real Madrid. Inverted wingers weren't the rule in the early 2000s but there already were some prominent examples.

    • @lexkanyima2195
      @lexkanyima2195 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rod6722 Zidane was not a winger at all

    • @rod6722
      @rod6722 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lexkanyima2195 Of course he wasn't, but for Real Madrid he started from the left-wing, with Roberto Carlos occupying the wing when Zidane would come inside. Kinda like players such as Ozil and Iniesta played on the wing in some games despite not being wingers.

    • @harukrentz435
      @harukrentz435 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What with this revisionism here? Robben wasnt known as a prolific goalscorer before his transfer to Bayern Munich in 2009. If you want to know the inventors of this system, you can look at Arsene Wenger in 2002-2004 with Robert Pires and Sir Alex Ferguson 2006-2009 with Cristiano Ronaldo. Go take a look at numbers of goal scored by these 2 players playing on the wide positions.

  • @yaboimatteo7706
    @yaboimatteo7706 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shout out to my fellow wingers out here. We lit🔥🔥😌

  • @abdallahsmith1985
    @abdallahsmith1985 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    other than formation and tactics, there is also the culture of football - people watching messi and ronaldo, you then have the talented kids growing up wanting to play like them

  • @bahdboy4858
    @bahdboy4858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    07:04 Mane is 10 and Salah 11, not the other way round

  • @barnabasmuhanda6569
    @barnabasmuhanda6569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think this man has exposed Tuchel Tactics

  • @AlienX477
    @AlienX477 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The best centre forwards actually adapted several aspects of inside forward play in their game to take them above other strikers in goalscoring.
    Haaland plays similarly to an inside forward in the sense that he likes to make his trademark diagonal runs into the inside left channel before wrapping his favourite left foot around the ball to send to the far corner. As such he often lines up in the right half space upfront to allow his diagonal runs to happen.
    Lewandowski is known for dropping deep but he often drops deep to the flanks to help in overloads. While he rarely cuts inside to shoot like ronaldo after coming up from the flanks, he much prefers to pass the ball away to allow him to get into central scoring areas in the box.
    The future will see the rise of goalscoring wingbacks as the three centre back tactic with wingbacks become more popular like at the recent Euros. The rise of achraf hakimi and denzel dumfries cannot be ignored in the eventual evolution of the goalscoring wingback.

  • @felixt2920
    @felixt2920 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:44 „Inverted“ not „ inveted“

  • @supriyobiswas6313
    @supriyobiswas6313 ปีที่แล้ว

    what was the role of Messi and Ronaldinho on Barcelona in 2005-6? both where wingers?

    • @ParetoEmperor-jp6ke
      @ParetoEmperor-jp6ke 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ronaldinho inside forward left, messi inside forward right, both always start attacking from deep wide, etoo more like targetman pivotal for both can drift into penalty

  • @habeebibrahim4993
    @habeebibrahim4993 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Finally

  • @nehemiahjacobs1987
    @nehemiahjacobs1987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How love to see a team go old school on pep 😂

  • @okeyatimilehin7906
    @okeyatimilehin7906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All this started cos a boy from Madeira scored 31 goals from the wing in 07/08

  • @obelemwokoma2
    @obelemwokoma2 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to consider becoming a coach one day

  • @andreandeo6177
    @andreandeo6177 ปีที่แล้ว

    Number 9 are still alive.. Classic Number 10 already Extinct

  • @mustafaabdulsahib9317
    @mustafaabdulsahib9317 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hary kane is the most complete striker, he acts as goal scoring machine or drops and becomes almost a 10 creating chances

  • @nabby9829
    @nabby9829 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pep sometimes plays a 3-4-3 diamond with a false 9
    So he basically has 5 central midfielders
    Its a tactic that is rarely used but so efficient

    • @ryanfinnerty6239
      @ryanfinnerty6239 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There’s a video of cruyff talking about it on TH-cam

  • @Mauricioel5
    @Mauricioel5 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You mean wing?

  • @xTripleD2156x
    @xTripleD2156x 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I turned the vid off when he mentioned Sterling w/ Ribery, Robben, Messi, and CR7. Excuse me What?

  • @Abdi-libaax
    @Abdi-libaax 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Football has become more defensive and less risk taking. I'm I right??

    • @surendran9311
      @surendran9311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not necessarily. Theres been many phases over the years where defense was more important. Look at the milan team of old. They barely scored any goals, one of the lowest of all time for a league winning side. But they just didnt allow people to score. Its just like fashion, there will be phases. It will constantly change back and forth

  • @jubayerwasidraiyan5874
    @jubayerwasidraiyan5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "messi, ronaldo, ribery, robben" okay looking good, all of them are legends, "... and Sterling"
    ????

    • @akashdahane9136
      @akashdahane9136 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sterling isn't bad either except having tendency to dive in the box!

    • @jubayerwasidraiyan5874
      @jubayerwasidraiyan5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@akashdahane9136 im not saying he's bad but he's nowhere near those legends

    • @messigoh6061
      @messigoh6061 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jubayerwasidraiyan5874 just an example of inside forwards or inverted wingers.

    • @jubayerwasidraiyan5874
      @jubayerwasidraiyan5874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@messigoh6061 yeah but he got a good player among legends, could've added someone else like hazard but i think this guy has lost faith in him lmao

  • @manzoj5898
    @manzoj5898 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wait wasn’t Ronaldo an inverted winger in Real Madrid he played in the left wing and his strong foot was his right

    • @tientrandinh15
      @tientrandinh15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is an inside forward not inverted winger. Focus much on scoring goals

  • @rationalkvng8560
    @rationalkvng8560 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In short: 2008 CR7

  • @qas3133
    @qas3133 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Next germany vs Armenia

  • @combat2thearms
    @combat2thearms 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a Chelsea fan that title is bs Lmaoo

  • @alexfzg9936
    @alexfzg9936 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone who only started watching football in 2012, I wish that someday the 4-4-2 formation would be the go to formation for all the top teams in Europe again

  • @zurainisadikin2015
    @zurainisadikin2015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can Modern Winger score more goal without false 9..Messi not take part of this my question ..Messi Uniquely

  • @EnohtaN
    @EnohtaN 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Haaland?

  • @rogerramah1754
    @rogerramah1754 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is one of the reasons you can't write off man city on winning the league again because" they have no striker"

  • @JayzsMr
    @JayzsMr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like this video is 10 years too late . Current evolution shifts back importance on the classical forward with 3 at the back formations becoming poplar which allows the classical forward to stay centrally supported by two creative players . Like Chelsea are playing for example.
    Furthermore especially in Germany teams play with a very strong emphasis on high pressing and quick transitions through the center which let to the rise of forwards like Haland who mainly thrive in these situations . Then obviously Guardiola who is always ahead of the curve who uses his fullbacks as midfielders while the wingers stay wide and play more like classical wingers to make space for creative 10 like players to attack the half spaces behind and create goals via cutbacks.

  • @jonathantkyong8157
    @jonathantkyong8157 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's simple really. Wingers tend to only face against 1 opponent on the side, which the current top wingers always dribble or cut into middle and shoot before reaching the opponent's central defenders. Meanwhile center forwards used to be 2 against 2 found themselves 2v1 in the current trend, making their jop much harder than before.

  • @21DMN
    @21DMN 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Football should thank Pep for this. For him the wingers do not have to go to the corner because it means locking himself in with only the ball. The winger must go to goal associating on the way with his teammates

    • @abulelenxumalo6664
      @abulelenxumalo6664 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Many other managers did this before pep was even known

    • @harukrentz435
      @harukrentz435 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pep? Lol Sir Alex Ferguson and Cristiano Ronaldo had done it since 2007.

    • @messigoh6061
      @messigoh6061 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What Pep didnt invent this he just used it to gr8 effect

    • @containedhurricane
      @containedhurricane 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wenger introduced it first to EPL with Pires and Ljungberg as goalscoring inverted wingers, when Guardiola is still playing. Wenger revealed he was once visited by Guardiola, who wanted to join Arsenal and learn from Wenger

  • @mixfcb1086
    @mixfcb1086 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Eh, I don’t really think Iniside forwards are killing off the striker.

    • @5ucls
      @5ucls 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      They're expected to be the teams best goalscorers

    • @lexkanyima2195
      @lexkanyima2195 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@5ucls Messi and Ronaldo are the examples

  • @forrealmuyong
    @forrealmuyong 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sterling the goal scorer😂

    • @markant9534
      @markant9534 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He was consistent in the Euros.

  • @hackershackers5249
    @hackershackers5249 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am first 😁😁😁